00:00:05 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:00:26 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:26 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:00:47 shortly 00:01:05 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14.1-0-g7225c62 00:06:20 -!- Keanan has left ##crawl-dev 00:06:46 -!- agentgt has joined ##crawl-dev 00:07:32 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 00:07:53 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:43 MarvinPA: http://sprunge.us/edeB 00:08:48 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-299-gb1d562d (34) 00:09:00 many of these are probably improvements! 00:10:00 oh. thought I read on the tavern that there was an elemental attack aspect 00:10:07 maybe that wasn't in the actual build 00:10:09 that was in an earlier version, I think 00:10:10 yeah 00:10:15 ok 00:10:18 -!- swayze has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:10:28 I guess I just didn't kill enough 00:10:40 a common malady 00:10:53 haha 00:11:12 ??zermako[dudes 00:11:13 zermako[6/27]: i came to the dungeon to kill dudes 00:12:17 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:12:23 PleasingFungus: is the glaive of the guard secretly aizul's weapon 00:12:33 that would be cool 00:12:41 it was "guard dog's" weapon 00:12:43 which is super dumb 00:12:48 uh wait but 00:12:50 I remember 00:12:54 I was going to make it a guardian serpent's weapon 00:12:59 but they don't have hands 00:13:04 pity guardian serpents don't have hands 00:13:06 yes 00:13:24 as long as it's not formerly owned by "guard dog" I'm fine with whatever 00:13:24 maybe he took a nap because he got fed up of trying to figure out how to wield the weapon he'd been given 00:13:28 haha 00:13:34 poor aizul! 00:14:35 i'm not sure about "an order of self-hating necromancers" 00:14:46 yeah I was kind of at a loss for that one 00:14:50 it's such a weird weapon 00:15:14 it needs casting skill but doesn't let you cast? who would *make* that? 00:15:24 -!- N1000_NoFg is now known as nonethousand 00:18:07 why would you make fire bats lava colored 00:18:12 and also berzerk colored 00:18:24 rage bats 00:18:42 PleasingFungus: orange crystal armour 00:18:54 yo 00:18:58 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:19:33 oca makes you good at casting but doesn't let you cast. that's totally different 00:24:39 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:26:55 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:29 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:30:05 Anybody here? 00:30:08 er 00:30:10 active? 00:30:28 "+induces a bloodthirsty berserker rage in anyone who uses it to strike another. 00:30:34 awkward, you're fired 00:30:38 -!- Kvaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:30:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:42 I have a bug 00:30:43 http://imgur.com/FJdSl4M 00:30:47 gammafunk: that was in the original! 00:30:51 oh wow 00:30:52 figures 00:30:52 I just tweaked line breaks 00:31:02 Is there any way to salvage my game? 00:31:12 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:31:49 haha, love the "Punk" description 00:32:00 -!- Moonsilence has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:32:06 ty :) 00:32:12 that's one of your best I think 00:32:17 in terms of humor I guess 00:32:20 huh 00:32:26 chilll 00:32:30 00:32:36 not for the more serious ones 00:33:07 yeah, self-hating necromancers is cute, but maybe a little too cute 00:33:12 I guess I didn't think it was that funny, but I'm glad you liked it? 00:33:18 I can try something else for doom knight 00:33:37 !locate lobf 00:33:38 Failed to locate lobf. 00:33:40 huh 00:33:47 looks like offline tiles 00:33:50 oh 00:33:52 it's pretty funny because of the "since fallen into less savory hands" bit imo 00:34:05 hrm, wonder if anything better could be said about octopus trident 00:34:06 ^version 00:34:06 trunk: 0.15-a0-284-g5d815eb; 0.14: 0.14.0-26-g1682e81; 0.13: 0.13.2 00:34:29 -!- nerdlord__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:34:30 of course anything is an improvement over "beware the Octopus King's wrath!" 00:34:32 trident of the octopus king should have 8 prongs 00:34:34 yeah, devs can't fix offline tiles, but maybe you can fix your own save? since you have access to it and all 00:34:41 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:34:42 minmay: octodent doesn't have quite the same ring 00:34:44 octo-trident 00:35:00 yeah good point 00:35:02 I really wanted to write something about the crown of dyslexia, but I'd got nothing 00:35:16 I've been curious how you can do that, PleasingFungus. wizmode? or is there a simpler way? 00:35:17 commit that, then have someone else revert with a long rant about a basic failure to understand weapon physics 00:35:17 octodent sounds like some pill that old people take 00:35:29 johnstein: I mean, directly editing the file itself 00:35:38 gammafunk: but kilobyte isn't around anymore!!! 00:35:40 I think 00:35:45 I could step up I guess 00:35:47 oh wait he's here 00:35:48 huh 00:35:52 oh. I didn't even know the file was editable 00:35:54 !seen kilobyte 00:35:54 I last saw kilobyte at Thu Apr 17 02:09:11 2014 UTC (1w 5d 3h 26m 42s ago) joining the channel. 00:35:58 I'd probably come off as half-hearted about the whole thing though 00:35:59 all files are editable 00:36:04 haha 00:36:09 I meant, I thought it was binary 00:36:11 a little too much effort for a dumb joke 00:36:24 -!- nerdlord_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:36:54 idk. where do saves live, anyway 00:37:15 oh. looks like it *is* binary 00:37:20 rip 00:37:22 well I wasn't serious; I'm sure I'd get hellbanned for that 00:37:51 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:37:52 hrm, salamander hide is pretty creative 00:37:52 that seems very likely 00:38:00 -!- Kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:25 I was trying to figure out to make "literally the hide of a sentient being" less creepy & gross 00:38:28 <3 gauntlets of war 00:38:36 and also give a reason why you can't get them just for skinning salamanders normally 00:38:50 hrm, shield of resistance could be better 00:38:56 surely talk about how it has resistances 00:38:56 I agree. ran out of ideas for that one too 00:38:59 yeah 00:39:16 some weird story on why it looks like a shell and has resistances? 00:39:20 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:39:20 a...magic turtle? 00:39:27 magic turtles are the best kind 00:39:37 it could also be teenage and mutant, this turtle; just throwing out ideas 00:39:49 hm 00:40:01 I was thinking more about the god-turtle from that pratchett book 00:40:11 oh, I guess there's more than one thing that fits that description 00:40:13 yeah, some reference to the turtle god 00:40:18 surely we need a turtle god 00:40:24 chei would object 00:40:30 (the true defence god!!!) 00:40:35 after all recall how Lasty snuck in the "Sunken God" 00:40:36 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:40:39 now is your chance 00:40:48 (aa to withdraw into your shell and render yourself immobile for huge bonuses) 00:40:49 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Small_Gods this turtle 00:41:05 oh, huh, yeah maybe it could be that storm god 00:41:14 doesn't he do defenses and such? 00:41:21 * Grunt drops a turtle on someone's head. 00:41:24 oh the mermaid thing, right 00:41:28 not really the best storm thing I guess 00:41:33 Does SH count as defenses? <_< 00:41:39 I guess there is R/DMsl. 00:41:44 heh, not according to some on tavern 00:41:59 I think qaz is really cool & flavorful as he is 00:42:01 reminds me of this guy 00:42:17 -!- nerdlord has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:42:30 http://www.paranatural.net/index.php?id=150 00:42:35 anyone able to help me with this bug? 00:42:36 http://imgur.com/FJdSl4M 00:42:47 actually I just realized but that's my mental image of qazlal 00:42:51 I don't much like the phrasing of dragon king, but it just needs some rewording I think 00:42:54 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:00 maybe I'll give that a shot when I'm not half asleep 00:43:11 I'm making a list of things to take a third pass on 00:43:31 trog's wrath, doom knight's sword, octo trident, shield of resistance, dragon king 00:43:40 also crown of dyslexia if I have any ideas (that'd be a first pass, though) 00:43:44 -!- jday_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:43:59 uh oh "clinging to any surface" 00:44:05 recommend you hold off on that description 00:44:11 my assumption is that 00:44:15 if player clinging goes 00:44:15 (boots of spider I mean) 00:44:20 so too go the boots of spider 00:44:28 because wtf other point would it have 00:44:34 hrm, could be; unrand boots with jumping could def. be just fine 00:44:38 throw some resists on it, etc. 00:44:43 rpois I guess 00:44:46 websense!!! 00:44:48 yeah, wouldn't be hard 00:44:53 player websense would be the dumbest thing in the world 00:45:16 <|amethyst> %git 68e01d 00:45:22 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-3313-g68e01d9: Remove player blood/web sense of out-of-sight monsters 10(6 weeks ago, 3 files, 0+ 79-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=68e01d929e89 00:45:27 anyway I think the clingremove commit can also handle changing the description, and in the meanwhile, it might as well tell you what it actually does? 00:45:38 |amethyst: wtf 00:45:55 well I'd recommend just not touch that one; this patch is pretty likely to go in quite soon 00:46:09 ok. 00:46:12 I can live with that. 00:46:14 I mean a certain top deleter would like to merge it 00:46:18 haha 00:46:30 basically as long as the shield of ignorance description change goes in, I'll be happy. 00:46:30 and woa be unto those that impede his deletions 00:46:32 the rest is sugar. 00:46:34 staff of olgreb could do with a wording tweak since it only affects poison immune stuff sometimes 00:46:49 that one gave me a lot of trouble because it does so! much! stuff! 00:47:02 'sometimes even' 00:47:04 there 00:47:21 i sort of prefer the current ignorance desc, also :P 00:47:41 the current ignorance desc is literally a warhammer 40k quote 00:47:44 it's so dumb 00:47:47 and not in a good way!!! 00:47:50 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:48:05 like my replacement isn't great but I really really hate the current one 00:48:14 haha 00:48:29 yeah, nice and succinct, and I like robe of augmentation 00:48:29 well that is not one i feel strongly about 00:48:35 although 00:48:39 "the man" 00:48:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:48:45 I forsee protest 00:49:02 I suspect it'll also be hard to translate 00:49:06 since it's an idiom 00:49:17 on the other hand, hahaha translations 00:49:24 I bet a vast majority of these don't have translations anyhow 00:49:40 I could be wrong though; obviously it'd be language dependent 00:49:55 also robustness isn't great, that looks like a hard one to come up with something for 00:50:06 honestly I was just making a really dumb pun 00:50:26 it feels "quite strong" 00:50:40 (physically/as an item) 00:50:55 I could rewrite that to actually have a description, but I kinda liked the succinctness of the original 00:51:54 could talk about making the wearer's skin hard as steel, but in principle that's a weird thematic interaction with stoneskin. idk if anyone cares. 00:52:18 -!- Nefhilion has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:53:10 also with mummies 00:54:17 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:54:36 <|amethyst> lobf_: can you provide a copy of your save? 00:54:45 |amethyst: probably 00:54:47 Yeah 00:54:49 I’m sure I can 00:54:51 How? 00:55:18 fr: give vampire monsters blood sense 00:55:28 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:55:54 I see a “saves” folder, but I don’t see anything obvious 00:55:59 Patashu: that's not a fr 00:56:02 that is literally a thing they have 00:56:02 <|amethyst> it's somewhere like Library/Application Support/Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup/saves/ 00:56:15 <|amethyst> you're looking for Fuuuuck.cs 00:56:16 wait it already exists?? 00:56:20 vampire (05V) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-46 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 15, 1505(vampiric) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(48), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 213 | Sp: vampiric draining, confuse, invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:56:20 %??vampire 00:56:23 -!- Basil__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:27 well, it's not listed here 00:56:33 is it too inconsequential for the bot to care about listing? 00:56:42 MONS_VAMPIRE, 'V', RED, "vampire", 00:56:44 M_SPELLCASTER | M_ACTUAL_SPELLS | M_SEE_INVIS | M_SPEAKS | M_BLOOD_SCENT 00:56:45 | M_WARM_BLOOD, 00:56:46 <|amethyst> Patashu: the bot doesn't list most special abilities 00:56:49 <|amethyst> Patashu: or flags 00:56:52 oh, badbot 00:56:56 goodbot 00:57:01 lol 00:57:07 imagine reading all that shit for every monster 00:57:17 "does it see invisible?" "well, it has warm blood, and it can speak, and..." 00:57:18 |amethyst: Yeah, I see that 00:57:24 I have to host it somewhere 00:57:27 dropbox or something? 00:57:55 <|amethyst> lobf_: dropbox would work, yeah; or file a bug report on mantis and upload it there 00:58:07 I never got a confirmation email from mantis :( 00:58:19 <|amethyst> hm 00:58:47 it takes a little while sometimes 00:59:13 |amethyst: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3h5dtry9kqwkydi/Fuuuuck.cs 01:01:30 <|amethyst> ugh 01:01:40 <|amethyst> I am half-tempted to remove every vault with wad_ in the name 01:01:48 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:01:51 <|amethyst> so many of them have no concern for connectivity 01:02:08 ??wad 01:02:08 I don't have a page labeled wad in my learndb. Did you mean: wand, ward, wda. 01:02:13 <|amethyst> alternatively, tag them all transparent and let them veto themselves 01:02:20 William Andrew Davis? 01:03:20 wad? 01:03:29 working as designed 01:03:39 -!- Basil__ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:03:41 hah 01:04:10 <|amethyst> wad's a person, but that's all I know 01:04:29 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:04:38 %git :/wad_ 01:04:41 07tenofswords02 {|amethyst} * 0.14-a0-1346-gbee4e73: Lair.des clean-up, lair end interest edits 10(5 months ago, 2 files, 572+ 926-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bee4e73e5d6d 01:05:21 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 01:06:30 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:48 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:08:54 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:13:28 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:14:35 For (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8461), would the inconsistency of adding a default annotation of {food} even though porridge is of a different class be problematic? 01:15:05 Given the likelihood of a player searching for "food" when they just want nutrition, it seems like a reasonable change otherwise 01:16:22 <|amethyst> I don't know about an annotation 01:16:48 <|amethyst> a prefix might be reasonable, but it should handle things like mummies 01:17:11 <|amethyst> well, maybe not mummies, since they can't eat either 01:17:15 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 01:17:27 <|amethyst> err 01:17:37 <|amethyst> I took "annotation" to mean "inscription" 01:17:53 I'm still trying to refamiliarize myself with crawl's code base. 01:18:07 the result of stash_annotate_item 01:18:36 So hopefully shows up in the item's show list of keywords to search for it. And is searchable. 01:19:07 <|amethyst> qoala: I'd do it in item_prefixes 01:19:25 <|amethyst> stash_annotate_item only applies to stash searching 01:19:42 <|amethyst> while prefixes can be used with things like autopickup_exceptions and so on 01:20:04 Ah, I'd initially started looking at dat/clua/stash.lua 01:21:13 <|amethyst> ah 01:21:28 <|amethyst> that could work, since it looks like the userdef annotations are used in a few places 01:22:27 -!- ZRN has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:22:58 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-300-g159a03f: Avoid some potential disconnections in wad_lake_hut. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=159a03f20773 01:24:18 -!- Lasserith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:24:45 <|amethyst> lobf_: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/Fuuuuck.cs Let me know when you have it so I can delete it 01:25:15 |amethyst: got it 01:25:16 Thanks dude 01:25:41 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:26:01 <|amethyst> (for your save I just had to replace one deep water tile with shallow) 01:26:25 You can do that manually? 01:26:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:26:41 <|amethyst> it's possible to do save editing yourself, but it's also easy to cheat while doing so, so maybe best to leave that to the devs :) 01:27:34 <|amethyst> the idea is you go into wizmode, fix the problem there, and save. Then you take the level chunk from the fixed save and put it into the old save (wizmode is marked in the player chunk, not the level) 01:27:55 <|amethyst> using crawl -edit-save 01:29:04 <|amethyst> you could also give yourself infinite hats or whateevr 01:29:11 <|amethyst> by leaving them on the floor 01:30:12 So it seems that the item_prefix is used for menu colouring, but is not used by the search code. 01:30:31 <|amethyst> oh 01:30:40 <|amethyst> so I guess it is the userdef prefix you want then 01:30:47 Is there anything else adding "food" to porridge's prefix might be useful for? 01:30:52 <|amethyst> (weren't we going to unify those prefixes?) 01:31:07 "preferred" seems to already cover the important coloration. 01:31:22 no idea. I've been away from crawl-dev for too long. 01:32:51 -!- Phoenix8411 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:08 03MarvinPA02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-347-ga2bb22c: Generate gold from all corpses under Gozag 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a2bb22c392c1 01:33:54 So if there's any value to it, having it add "food" to the prefix if is_preferred_food successfully adds the label to porridge only if you can actually use it. 01:34:24 and adds it to !blood for vampires 01:34:30 -!- Moonsilence_de has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:34:48 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:35 though since the {food} class is annotated for the entire class, I presume most vampires would just end up searching for "blood" even if it was marked as {food} for them. 01:36:14 hello! Grunt, i noticed a problem in your tomb_1_hall_stairs_grunt_snakey subvault, it has a chance to place 3 glyphs but there doesn't appear to actually be a third MONS: definition 01:39:27 -!- bzn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:39:44 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 01:40:55 It appears that is_preferred_food isn't currently exposed to lua (or I haven't fully remembered how the lua bindings are set up. I looked in l_item.cc) 01:41:17 |amethyst: thanks for the explanation 01:41:31 I don’t find any satisfaction from wining with cheating 01:41:34 so that’s no worry 01:41:38 Would we want to expose it? I never picked up a sense of the policies around the lua side of the code base. 01:43:40 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:01 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:46:45 -!- pal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:48:55 -!- drachereborn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:38 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:54:52 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:57:51 I didn't see anything about unifying item_prefix and stash annotations with some quick searches on crawl-dev logs, though I may just not be using the right search terms. 02:00:02 I'd be for such an idea, though I'm not sure whether or not we'd want to keep the ability for users to easily hook in custom lua functions to it? 02:00:19 -!- notcluie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:00:34 It'd still need to be available easily in the C code (and possibly need access to some functions not yet exposed to lua), 02:01:35 so my current guess would be a default implementation in the C++ code that merges behaviour from both existing sets, while retaining a hook for lua functions to add to it? 02:03:15 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 02:03:35 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 02:06:41 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 02:13:38 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 02:16:03 -!- EriktheRed___ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:16:24 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16:31 Experimental (ranged_combat) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-292-g05377e0 02:22:48 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:22:52 Experimental (gods) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-347-ga2bb22c 02:23:44 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:00 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:29:13 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14.1-0-g7225c62 02:30:37 -!- GDR has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:36 -!- tgcid has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:31:40 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 02:32:20 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:33:31 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 02:34:28 -!- lobf_ has quit [Quit: lobf_] 02:35:50 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-300-g159a03f (34) 02:36:19 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 02:38:14 -!- Redz has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:23 ebifreedom (L16 HOAK) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster trapdoor spider failed to pathfind to (40,43) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 02:43:38 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 02:43:47 I think Qazlal is my new favorite god 02:45:23 -!- Red_Bucket has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:21 I just noticed something while looking at ??death's door. Currently, the most hp it can leave you with is 26. If the necro calculation rounded up, the maximum hp it could leave you with would be 27 02:46:32 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:47:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:44 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:49:03 03MarvinPA02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-348-g8d28f5f: Update some references to Qazlal piety gain 10(47 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d28f5f561f1 02:51:13 ebifreedom (L16 HOAK) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster burning bush failed to pathfind to (40,43) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 02:52:56 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:53:12 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:53:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:58:44 |amethyst: I've attached a patch to the mantis ticket 02:59:44 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:00:05 I went ahead and exposed is_preferred_food to lua. If we don't want that, I can rework it. 03:03:39 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:04:03 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:06:48 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:02 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:13:55 -!- tgcid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:19:46 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:28:45 -!- drachereborn_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:43 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:47 anyone have any thoughts on https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8464 ? I can make the listed change easy enough, but I'm not sure whether or not it's the right solution 03:32:01 Based on the way the event is structured, non-summoned and/or non-friendly are possibly useful checks. (Possibly if a player orc enslaved an orc priest before being noticed for some reason?) 03:32:42 Alternatively, we could just change it to a more appropriate message if an orc priest is summoned. 03:32:52 s/summoned/friendly/ 03:34:18 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:34:35 -!- xezzy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:34:40 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:47 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:35:47 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:53 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:37:13 I'd probably go with either [summoned || friendly => can't preach], [summoned => can't preach, otherwise friendly => friendlier wording], or [friendly => can't preach, being summoned doesn't matter] 03:37:47 I guess I'll just put those notes on the ticket since I should probably sleep 03:47:18 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 03:50:34 -!- Phoenix8412 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:50:54 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:50:57 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:50:57 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:51:59 -!- Phoenix8411 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:59:25 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 04:01:38 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:01:55 -!- Phoenix8413 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:02:08 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:03:58 -!- Phoenix8412 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:08:29 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:09:36 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:10:41 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:11:10 Woo, my patch made it in. 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I always get them far away :) 08:17:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:18:54 it tries to place them as deep as possible i think, from my glance it how it worked 08:19:34 i don't think placing them on unvisited levels is really a good restriction, it seems sort of an awkward way of limiting them 08:20:00 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:07 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:36 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:21:38 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:21:41 MarvinPA: I was asking for the opposite: it should place them as close to you as possible, with some randomisation. 08:22:13 You want to see the results of your investment soon, and not in 4000 turns. 08:22:22 yeah 08:23:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:13 trying to place them on a nearby unvisited level if possible sounds pretty reasonable to me, i just think it should be able to fall back to visited ones so you're not penalised for exploring early 08:23:23 Shop placement used to be completely random, then I asked for "near". Seems a sign is off in the code. 08:23:32 ah, I see 08:23:58 !tell Grunt Merchants should set up shop *close* to where you are -- not as far as possible! :) 08:23:59 dpeg: OK, I'll let grunt know. 08:24:07 the current implementation i think has a comment specifying that it deliberately tries to place them deep, might just be a misunderstanding there 08:24:14 yes 08:24:26 MarvinPA: I am making a list of possible Gozag changes, will pester the mailing list with it some time. 08:24:41 (and additional shops on known levels is one item on the list) 08:25:37 my early thoughts were that potion petition might be better off without mutation/cure mutation/beneficial mutation in the lists, they sort of turn it from an always-tactical ability into what seems like a bit of a weird mix of tactical and strategic 08:25:49 MarvinPA: yes, that is true 08:25:56 perhaps just insert them sparingly? 08:26:04 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:03 perhaps if they were just a lot rarer yeah, i was finding that options i'd otherwise be happy to pick for a fight were having, say, a cure mut added and that would just make them much more expensive 08:28:08 i only played a couple of games but i do quite like the combination of the conduct and potion petition as a main ability 08:28:25 certainly lots of room for improvement, no question... I was just very sure that the god needed some tactical power and potions seemed to fit the bill 08:28:31 ah, nice :) 08:28:54 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:58 In my games, I never use duplication, even though it's free. Too hard a decision for me. 08:29:11 the other thing with mutations is that they're already covered quite well by other gods, too 08:30:16 Sure. I think having a powerful tactical potion sequence (heal wounds, might, agility etc.) close with a mutation (and then also cheaper) could be interesting sometimes 08:32:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:33:32 the other thing that i think could do with some thought was the gold skill boost, it's pretty short duration (which is good to prevent kiting), possibly it could afford to be more significant 08:34:17 since it's kicking in if you're fighting a group of enemies in a row, so it seems okay to be reasonably generous in encouraging that 08:34:25 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:27 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 08:34:36 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 08:37:21 MarvinPA: yes, I am not too happy with the current gold effect. (When the god was proposed, there was no Ashenzari and Okawaru was old.) 08:38:45 I think it might be better to have a completely different gold effect: e.g. every fresh gold pile has a chance to sidetrack monsters (make them skip a turn, "gazing at the glittering gold" or somesuch). 08:38:59 That'd be a strong, easily tweakable, passive power. 08:40:44 SomeoneAwful (L17 SpEn) ERROR: range check error (27000 / 2000) (Spider:2) 08:46:55 SomeoneAwful (L17 SpEn) ERROR: range check error (27000 / 2000) (Spider:2) 08:47:46 !crashlog someoneawful 08:47:46 4. SomeoneAwful, XL23 SpEn, T:111021 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/SomeoneAwful/crash-SomeoneAwful-20140328-134625.txt 08:48:21 oh, experimental 08:50:18 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53:20 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:54:52 -!- Foil has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:55:35 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:58:24 ( and [ glyphs have been broken in pitsprint by st 09:03:36 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-302-g7fc395a: Add a missing MONS: to a Tomb subvault (nicolae). 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7fc395a109fa 09:04:45 -!- Phoenix8413 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:12:04 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:12:49 SomeoneAwful (L17 SpEn) ERROR: range check error (27000 / 2000) (Spider:2) 09:14:59 -!- st_ has quit [] 09:18:16 03Grunt02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-349-gd188336: Don't crash when killing monsters over liquids with Gozag. 10(61 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d188336c01eb 09:19:18 -!- Schwer-Muta has quit [] 09:22:55 Grunt: Do players still collect gold for such kills? 09:23:51 The gold would fall into the liquid if that happens. 09:24:15 Grunt: is stormgod getting a buff to air/earth resists 09:24:24 Grunt: yes, I know. But we really don't want players to lure monsters to land or shallow water. Better to give them the gold miraculously,. 09:24:26 or are you just going to nerf the shit out of fire/ice 09:24:59 Gozag throws the coins at your face. 09:25:09 Grunt: there already is the drawback that no fresh gold pile appears, but collecting the gold is more important. 09:26:18 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:34 either way stormgod seems quite fun 09:27:39 laters 09:27:42 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 09:27:48 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 09:29:25 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:41 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:36:08 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:36:36 GDR (L16 DrAs) ERROR in 'dungeon.cc' at line 3351: Invalid shop spec? (Shoals:3) 09:36:42 noooooooooooooo 09:37:08 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:18 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:35 Grunt: What's up? 09:38:44 That crash. :( 09:38:50 ah, a merchant crash, just saw it 09:39:18 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:41:09 Grunt: is it related to tide and water? 09:41:22 No; it means the purchased shop contained something invalid. 09:41:22 -!- fuuu has quit [Quit: http://lice.muppetz.com] 09:41:28 This isn't ever supposed to happen, but it does. 09:42:24 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:42:52 03Grunt02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-350-g1354819: Allow Gozag shops to place in the Dungeon. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=13548198631c 09:42:52 03Grunt02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-351-g5b0ee4b2: Weight Gozag shop depths heavily towards shallower areas. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b0ee4b24e7c 09:42:52 03Grunt02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-352-ge70f4b7: Handle invalid Gozag shop specs slightly more gracefully. 10(62 seconds ago, 1 file, 13+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e70f4b7ce868 09:43:25 <3 All problems grunted away. 09:43:47 When you said "place near the player", I was thinking only on the level itself, not depth relative to the player. 09:44:41 Ah, the source of the misunderstanding! No big deal :) 09:45:15 Experimental (gods) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-352-ge70f4b7 09:47:24 dpeg. what about replacing item weights with bulkiness. most items have 0 bulkiness. big rocks etc are non zero. maybe tie max bulkiness to str 09:47:52 sort of a hybrid solution. not sure if that actually solves anything 09:48:10 -!- umrain has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:48:50 but then again, I've never honed onto item weights as such a problem. never thought about it much till recently 09:49:09 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:49:33 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:46 johnstein: item weights are not a big deal. They're just a little annoyance and gain little gameplay. So some of us (here at ##crawl-dev) agreed on removing it, I thought. 09:49:47 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:50:23 yea. I've been trying to follow the conversations and been reading crd 09:50:42 I think it's one of those things were realism and heritage combine to create something that goes unchallenged... because it was always there. 09:51:06 I don't always quickly understand the rationale behind all of the dev opinions and decisions 09:51:19 since I haven't played a ton 09:51:21 sometimes it might be outright impossible :) 09:52:03 I like aspects of the weight game. makes me think hard on what to keep 09:52:13 03Grunt02 07[gods] * 0.15-a0-353-g5fa8ae2: Show the right gold aura in webtiles. 10(35 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fa8ae2ea705 09:52:15 Experimental (gods) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-353-g5fa8ae2 09:52:22 but it feels really similar to the item limit game 09:52:24 in a different way than the item limit? 09:52:32 yeah 09:52:33 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:52:49 to me, anyway. but I bet that's just due to my relative inexperience 09:52:54 -!- SomeoneAwful has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:01 I don't know all the obvious best-practices 09:53:13 SomeoneAwful: hi, I already fixed your gods branch crash if that's what you're here about :) 09:53:15 so I probably lug too much with me 09:53:20 it sure was! thanks for that 09:53:20 in general 09:53:30 good response time 09:53:31 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:53:51 which means I'm facing the item limit and weight problems all the time in the mid to late game 09:54:06 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:54:11 The only time I've ever had weight issues was my Str 6 15 rune DECj. 09:54:15 though I would say it's mostly item limit 09:54:33 thank god for the chunk-weight-halving commit 09:54:34 since I tend to play more str heavy dudes 09:54:43 johnstein: this is annoyance I spoke about. There will be some left (because you're at 52 items) but there wouldn't be "You are too burdened to pick up XXX" anymore, which is a gain, imo. 09:55:16 Grunt: that seems to indicate the mechanic is not performing well, eh? 09:55:23 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:26 it would be interesting to set up an experimental branch to test it 09:55:47 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:00 dpeg, that may just be because I have a long history of playing roguelikes and I am used to item weight management... 09:56:09 wheals: coincidentally, the new skin of zhor description is also the perfect description for certain developers :) 09:56:21 when I hit the weight limit I start dropping or eating food 09:56:27 (In retrospect I have also had weight issues with large rock throwers, but I think I have only ever played two or three of those that got far enough for it to be an issue.) 09:56:34 drop half my ammo 09:57:12 i kind of had that when i carried a bunch of large rocks so jiyva took away all my dex 09:57:28 I wonder if just drastically lowering the aum values for most items would give a similar result 09:57:53 johnstein: why keep a mechanic when you're about to fade it out anyway? 09:58:07 (A: yes, of course it would.) 09:58:11 sorry. I was thinking more for easy testing 09:58:30 ah, I see 09:58:33 but perhaps there's an existing ranch ready to go! 09:59:08 We're not *that* ahead of the curve! 09:59:17 Also we have a couple of experimental branches running already :) 09:59:28 I would at least like to get ranged_combat done before we open another experimental branch. 09:59:33 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:59:57 or, instead, you could just fold all new changes into gods branch. weightlessness god. squarelos god 10:00:04 I am excited already 10:00:10 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:17 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:04:29 You finish putting on the -2 helmet of the Sea {Dex+3 Int+1 Stlth++} 10:04:32 whoops 10:04:32 sorry 10:04:37 wrong window 10:04:44 good helmet tho 10:04:52 especially for dith stabber 10:05:01 beware the ac cost... 10:05:13 Plz fix, devs. 10:05:17