00:01:22 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14.0-19-g73085dc 00:02:57 -!- Nomi has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:03:30 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-185-gb15286e (34) 00:04:15 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:34 hm I should figure out what all will land in trunk once the tournament ends. 00:04:50 Glyphs, crypt shortening, some or all of the Tomb subvault work... 00:05:05 How many floors is crypt losing? 00:05:07 (there are a couple of branches I'm going to make public but that's not trunk-related) 00:05:11 Crypt is going to three floors. 00:05:14 Crypt shortening sounds good. 00:05:14 Reasonable. 00:05:23 We've been discussing this for a long time and we actually have a patch for it now :b 00:05:24 I would have also accepted 'four'. 00:05:25 Grunt: This is why "next" existed last toruney. 00:06:49 (Ranged combat will probably go on a branch after the initial major changes land, as well as some of the other side projects I have going.) 00:07:16 (Possibly I'll combine some of the new content bits into one branch so as not to overwhelm the experimental menu.) 00:07:39 Where is tomb moving to if Crypt is being shortened? 00:07:55 (... that is, the base things will be their own branches, but there'll be one with all of them for testing purposes.) 00:10:02 Does anyone here know if it's possible to google part of a word? Like be all Geo% and get hits related to Geology, Geodes, Geodudes, Geometrics, etc. Trying to find other references with -nok or -nach in them is driving me insane because google isn't cooperating 00:14:54 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:43 so, i dunno if this is a bug or not, but 00:15:56 spectral weapons do ot have sinv, and won't ever attack invisible targets 00:16:13 ...even if they themselves have SInv as one of their properties, absurdly 00:16:29 haha 00:17:19 Dowan's spell list is wrong by nubinia 00:17:33 haha 00:17:35 oh dear 00:18:14 ontoclasm: yeah they don't inherit the other properties aside from slaying I bet 00:18:27 spectral weapon (15() | Spd: 30 | HD: 27 | HP: 43-44 | AC/EV: 12/20 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 4075 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 00:18:27 %??spectral weapon 00:19:03 I think that's pretty reasonable 00:19:13 Don't spectral weapons just copy your attacks? 00:19:31 gammafunk: well, it's not so much that the weapon doesn't get the SInv it has as a property as that it seems like there should be some way to get it to attack 00:19:33 Bad item name: 'scythe_of_curses' 00:19:33 %??spectral weapon; scythe_of_curses 00:19:39 no, but I'm not sure what that question has to do with ontoclasm's question 00:20:12 ontoclasm: they don't sinv naturally; I'm not sure we should make them do so 00:20:30 Bad item name: 'scythe brand:reaping' 00:20:30 %??spectral weapon; scythe brand:reaping 00:20:30 Did I break it? 00:20:37 well, if it's intended, then that's fine 00:20:47 it just struck me as odd 00:21:40 yeah, I suppose you could argue for them having sinv, but it seems ok to me that invis enemies have benefit 00:21:48 there's always a halo or corona 00:21:59 grand avatar (06R) | Spd: 30 | HD: 5 | HP: 50 | AC/EV: 20/5 | Dam: 30(reach) | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison++, 08acid, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm++ | XP: 0 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 00:21:59 %??grand_avatar 00:22:23 seems that warmongers have it pretty good 00:22:29 ??monsters 00:22:29 monsters[1/2]: Dirty cheaters. 00:22:31 gelid warmonger (116) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 84-139 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 40 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold++ | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1585 | Sp: melee, sap magic, grand avatar | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:22:31 %??warmonger 00:22:43 heh, they themselves don't see invis 00:23:18 Grunt: should the demonspawn monsters sinv? 00:23:28 hm, any idea where I'd look for the code that determines which spells show up in a monster description? 00:23:32 monstrous warmonger (116) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 164-195 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 40, 15, 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2161 | Sp: melee, sap magic, grand avatar | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:23:32 %??monstrous warmonger 00:23:39 hm 00:23:47 PleasingFungus: describe.cc i assume? 00:23:53 Some do; I forget which. 00:24:01 gelid blood saint (126) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 61-103 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold++ | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1507 | Sp: legendary destruction (42d1), ephemeral infusion | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:24:01 %??blood saint 00:24:08 gelid chaos champion (156) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 67-113 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold++ | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1282 | Sp: b.random (3d19), chaotic mirror, melee / b.random (3d20), chaotic mirror, melee / b.random (3d22), chaotic mirror, melee / b.random (3d24), chaotic mirror, melee | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:24:08 %??chaos champion 00:24:26 I think the sinv display there is broken. 00:24:32 oh ok 00:24:36 monstrous demonspawn (156) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 92-109 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 20, 15, 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 957 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:24:36 %??monstrous demonspawn 00:24:37 gelid black sun (136) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 63-109 | AC/EV: 9/25 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold++ | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1229 | Sp: b.draining (3d22), malign offering (2d20), black mark, dispel undead (3d24) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:24:37 %??black sun 00:24:44 hrm, black sun have it 00:25:07 huh 00:25:20 this thorn hunter made a briar patch between the two of us 00:25:39 this is a long function 00:25:40 yeah black suns yeah weird, monstrous demonspawn and black suns 00:25:42 have sinv 00:26:01 PleasingFungus: have you seen decrement_durations() ? 00:26:15 I was looking at a func in throw.cc that's over a thousand lines long 00:26:23 unknown monster: "corruptor" 00:26:23 %??corruptor 00:26:26 though I do remember decrement_durations being bad 00:26:35 I poked at it earlier when I was adding those flame cloud boots 00:26:49 !source throw.cc 00:26:49 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/throw.cc;hb=HEAD 00:26:49 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27:08 throw_it() 00:27:10 specifically 00:27:33 throw_something 00:27:49 thrown_up() 00:28:29 I like how it declares all the local variables at the top so you can see what you're getting in to. 00:28:30 people were looking at in ##gooncrawl to try to reverse-engineer it. apparently about half of it is comments talking about how awful it is 00:28:44 reaverb: hahahaha you think that's all of the local variables 00:29:08 I should pass along the ranged combat patches to them. 00:29:20 -!- bzn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:29:27 throw_it() is a lot shorter!! 00:29:37 for some reason the guy doing ranged combat sim stuff (dis_astraganasdfj) refuses to enter this channel 00:29:40 it's a mysterium 00:29:50 mm 00:30:25 I need to check up on fsim for ranged_combat <_< 00:31:23 !source describe.cc:3802 00:31:24 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/describe.cc;hb=HEAD#l3802 00:31:35 huh, line numbers are offset 00:31:41 oh, that's my fault. oops 00:32:20 I... don't really understand why dowan's spell list doesn't update after he gets upgraded 00:32:24 (by duvessa's death) 00:32:46 !source mon-death.cc:3243 00:32:46 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-death.cc;hb=HEAD#l3243 00:34:10 PleasingFungus: maybe the reporter didn't understand how it worked 00:34:18 no I mean that's clear 00:34:30 they didn't realize that he gets upgraded spells (because the game doesn't say that he does) 00:34:32 has anyone checked whether the spell list does get upgraded? 00:34:38 i mean, have you tested whether --- yeah 00:34:41 well, he fires stone arrows 00:34:45 I just tested 00:34:49 yes, and does the description change? 00:34:50 maybe he means it says stone arrow _when he first met him_ 00:34:51 but it's not in his description 00:34:54 okay 00:34:55 yes 00:34:55 er, not stone arrow 00:34:58 oh, ok 00:35:13 yes, that was exactly what I was wondering too 00:35:15 so I tested 00:36:45 PleasingFungus: That code is in and #ifdef DEBUG block. 00:36:55 So none of it actually does anything on a normal game. 00:36:56 o 00:36:58 so it is 00:37:08 so... where are spell descriptions normally printed? 00:37:11 -!- omni__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:37:18 -!- somesortofthing has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38:01 found it 00:38:06 !source describe.cc:3154 00:38:07 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/describe.cc;hb=HEAD#l3154 00:38:32 PleasingFungus: Rather hilariously, I suspect the person who implemented that did not realize it was already implemented for debug mode. 00:38:46 well, it's different 00:38:53 since it hides and obfuscates various things 00:39:03 PleasingFungus: Yes, there's also that. 00:39:07 lists spellbooks instead of the actual spells a given monster has, doesn't list some types of spells, etc 00:40:07 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:40:08 It would probably be really easy to add a hack there for Dowan, although that area of the code could use a more general clean-up. 00:42:03 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:47:28 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51:03 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:58:37 Grunt: new tomb subvault fr 00:58:56 tomb doorvault 00:59:27 :| 00:59:41 :) 00:59:53 We need to find a way to unruin door vault first <_< 01:00:02 hm 01:00:23 I only ran into doorvault once, in the old days 01:00:51 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:01:21 I've seen a few door vaults. 01:01:30 !lg . vaults:2 1 01:01:31 1/2. SGrunt the Scorcher (L16 DEFE of Vehumet), blasted by an ancient lich (iron shot) on Vaults:2 on 2012-06-11 19:02:03, with 138680 points after 53715 turns and 3:40:58. 01:01:35 haha 01:01:38 (that was the best) 01:01:44 doorvaults are good 01:01:44 I had a Zot:5 door vault once too!!! 01:02:08 (managed to win that game; good DrMo) 01:02:18 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:02:26 !log . drmo won 01:02:27 1. SGrunt, XL27 DrMo, T:99453: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/SGrunt/morgue-SGrunt-20120712-165400.txt 01:06:46 why is the doorvault ruined? 01:06:57 reaverb: it never opens itself 01:07:02 and it's dead obvious 01:08:00 ontoclasm: Adding a small chance for some doors to be non-runed would solve the first and be a start on the second. 01:10:31 ....... 01:10:45 why would you want doorvault to open itself 01:10:52 that ruins the whole point 01:11:58 Hmm, so ontoclasm says the doorvault never openning by itself means it ruined while PleasingFungus says the doorvault ever openning by itself means it's ruined. 01:12:06 you misread him 01:12:20 oh nevermind 01:12:22 I misread him 01:12:22 runed doors used to not be a thing so it would open on its own with sufficient noise 01:12:34 sure. did monsters open hidden doors, though? 01:12:37 yes 01:12:39 Sure! 01:12:43 huh 01:12:45 didn't know that 01:12:47 goofy 01:12:48 if you casted lightning bolt or something outside of door vault you would get a nasty surprise 01:12:54 so yes it did infact open itself 01:12:56 shatter -> doorvault 01:13:00 simmarine: I learned that one with Fireball :b 01:13:20 !lg . vaults:2 1 -tv:<2.0 01:13:21 1/2. SGrunt, XL16 DEFE, T:53715 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 01:15:12 I think I've watched this before 01:15:19 but I'm always surprised at the bit where you see an ancient lich 01:15:21 and cast shroud 01:15:33 gotta watch out for the negative energy touch? 01:15:37 I had no idea what I was doing back then :b 01:15:39 -!- Eracar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:15:49 I still have no idea what I'm doing 01:16:08 There are other good old TVs of mine which I'd love to remind myself about. 01:16:23 !lg . max=dam -2 01:16:24 1346/1347. SGrunt the Archer (L10 HECK of Xom), took a swim in molten lava in Bailey (bailey_polearm_1) on 2013-02-14 16:54:33, with 5396 points after 11669 turns and 0:36:00. 01:16:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:16:28 er 01:16:31 !lg . max=dam -3 01:16:32 1345/1347. SGrunt the Blackguard (L12 SpEn of Nemelex Xobeh), killed themself with bad targetting on Lair:5 on 2012-05-21 03:07:40, with 20640 points after 22248 turns and 1:20:33. 01:16:33 haha what 01:16:42 to both really 01:16:42 !lg . max=dam -4 01:16:42 !lg . max=dam -1 01:16:43 1344/1347. SGrunt the Impregnable (L20 MiGl of Okawaru), blasted by an ancient lich (crystal spear) on Abyss:1 on 2014-02-28 05:24:25, with 333061 points after 67099 turns and 3:15:59. 01:16:44 1347. SGrunt the Blackguard (L14 SpEn of Nemelex Xobeh), shot themself with a poison arrow on D:11 on 2012-05-20 20:53:28, with 62437 points after 38269 turns and 2:27:20. 01:16:50 ... 01:16:54 very good deaths 01:17:03 The parrow one was the one I wanted <3 01:17:06 !lg . max=dam x=int 01:17:06 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:17:07 1347. [int=-8] SGrunt the Blackguard (L14 SpEn of Nemelex Xobeh), shot themself with a poison arrow on D:11 on 2012-05-20 20:53:28, with 62437 points after 38269 turns and 2:27:20. 01:17:40 The targetting one is pretty hilariously bad too. 01:17:55 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:03 The lava one was a momentary but fatal lapse of attention. 01:18:30 !lg . ckiller=xtahua 01:18:31 1. SGrunt the Unseen (L18 SpEn of Nemelex Xobeh), blasted by Xtahua (blast of flame) on Vaults:6 on 2012-05-13 04:28:07, with 201226 points after 73482 turns and 5:33:02. 01:18:50 I was mortally afraid of Xtahua for a very long time after that death. 01:19:00 Note how it's also my only Xtahua death <_< 01:19:15 !lg . ckiller=xtahua 01:19:15 No games for PleasingFungus (ckiller=xtahua). 01:19:20 -!- octosequell1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:21 hm 01:19:30 !lg . max=dam x=dam 01:19:30 226. [dam=99] PleasingFungus the Fencer (L16 FoFi of Nemelex Xobeh), killed themself with a badly aimed orb of electricity on Snake:3 on 2014-03-14 17:53:11, with 101670 points after 33903 turns and 3:00:09. 01:19:32 !lg stathol dam=151 01:19:33 1. Stathol the Backstabber (L18 SpEn of Okawaru), blasted by Xtahua (blast of flame) on Vaults:2 on 2010-05-26 02:40:12, with 199072 points after 77681 turns and 7:13:53. 01:19:34 hahaha 01:19:38 orb of elec is best 01:19:45 I have like three orb of elec deaths 01:19:48 PleasingFungus: that was that targetting death of mine :b 01:19:50 suicides 01:19:53 and they're all hilarious 01:19:56 (before the message was fixed) 01:20:04 !lg . max=dam x=dam -1 01:20:04 226. [dam=99] PleasingFungus the Fencer (L16 FoFi of Nemelex Xobeh), killed themself with a badly aimed orb of electricity on Snake:3 on 2014-03-14 17:53:11, with 101670 points after 33903 turns and 3:00:09. 01:20:06 !lg . max=dam x=dam -2 01:20:07 225/226. [dam=71] PleasingFungus the Executioner (L26 MiGl of Yredelemnul), blasted by an ancient lich (iron shot) (kmap: hall_of_Zot) on Zot:5 on 2014-03-18 22:17:46, with 585279 points after 59991 turns and 6:41:29. 01:20:13 DANG 01:20:14 !lg . max=dam x=dam -3 01:20:14 rip 01:20:15 224/226. [dam=47] PleasingFungus the Spear-Bearer (L14 HOFi of Okawaru), blasted by a frost giant (bolt of cold) in IceCv (ice_cave_caverns_02) on 2013-11-24 04:55:23, with 42953 points after 22822 turns and 2:14:24. 01:20:17 hm 01:20:18 oh 01:20:19 see also 01:20:26 !lg . max=tdam t=tdam 01:20:27 Unknown field: t 01:20:30 !lg . max=tdam x=tdam 01:20:31 1347. [tdam=135] SGrunt the Crack Shot (L23 HEGl of Fedhas), blasted by an electric golem (bolt of lightning) on Zot:4 on 2013-01-31 22:39:08, with 419219 points after 105582 turns and 5:45:30. 01:20:34 o 01:20:43 !lg . max=tdam x=tdam 01:20:44 226. [tdam=99] PleasingFungus the Fencer (L16 FoFi of Nemelex Xobeh), killed themself with a badly aimed orb of electricity on Snake:3 on 2014-03-14 17:53:11, with 101670 points after 33903 turns and 3:00:09. 01:20:47 ofc 01:20:49 what was I thinking 01:20:52 I think that is still the poster child for badteleport. 01:21:04 -!- octosequell1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:09 ??badteleport 01:21:09 badteleport[1/6]: !lg SGrunt 664 -tv:<0.1:x0.2 01:21:12 yup 01:21:32 (I have another hilarious badteleport death somewhere...) 01:21:58 !lg . defe vaults 2 -tv:<2.0 01:21:59 2/3. SGrunt, XL15 DEFE, T:44176 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 01:22:54 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:23:19 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:24 oh god it's that vault 01:23:26 haha 01:23:39 ...is that 'scroll of undead creation'? 01:24:05 PleasingFungus: The predissor of scroll of summoning. 01:24:09 I figured 01:24:11 scroll of unholy creation 01:24:20 it blinked past very fast 01:24:24 Originally called scroll of summoning with the same effect! 01:24:41 The current scroll of summoning is completely unrelated. 01:24:45 hm 01:24:45 huh 01:24:49 well yes I know that actually 01:24:53 I remember old ?summoning 01:24:53 %git HEAD^{/unholy creation} 01:24:55 07DracoOmega02 * 0.12-a0-2865-ga657896: Replace scrolls of unholy creation with (revised) scrolls of summoning 10(1 year, 2 months ago, 16 files, 66+ 76-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6578962e085 01:24:58 it was trash garbage 01:25:02 %git HEAD^{/unholy creation}^^{/unholy creation} 01:25:02 07mumra02 {dolorous} * 0.12-a0-2718-g430c270: Prevent angels picking up ?unholy creation For weapons both is_evil_item and is_unholy_item are checked so it seems reasonable to apply this for scrolls too. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=430c2708239a 01:25:12 %git HEAD^{/unholy creation}^^{/unholy creation}^^{/unholy creation} 01:25:13 07Grunt02 * 0.11-a0-3198-g6e5327a: ontoclasm's base scroll tiles (#5862). 10(1 year, 8 months ago, 10 files, 20+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e5327a5a53d 01:25:20 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:25:20 %git HEAD^{/unholy creation}^^{/unholy creation}^^{/unholy creation}^^{/unholy creation} 01:25:21 07dolorous02 * 0.11-a0-1229-ge67331f: Simplify the description of the scroll of unholy creation. 10(2 years ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e67331f2ac7b 01:25:24 I guess I missed unholy creation 01:25:35 %git HEAD^{/unholy creation}^^{/unholy creation}^^{/unholy creation}^^{/unholy creation}^^{/unholy creation} 01:25:36 07kilobyte02 * 0.11-a0-1197-ge81146b: Rename scrolls of summoning to unholy creation. 10(2 years ago, 15 files, 20+ 19-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e81146bfc524 01:25:39 mm 01:26:16 What exactly happened with dolorous again? Did he go off to work somewhere with a contract that stopped him from contributing? (like jpeg) 01:26:32 All I remember is something about conflicts of interest. 01:27:23 !lg . max=dam x=dam 01:27:24 2983. [dam=100] wheals the Cruncher (L18 OpNe of Kikubaaqudgha), blasted by Jorgrun (Shatter) on Spider:4 on 2014-04-17 22:48:18, with 177879 points after 58709 turns and 2:38:58. 01:27:37 jorg <3 01:27:45 now there was a death that was my fault 01:30:33 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:59 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:18 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:31:54 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:32:51 -!- rubinko has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:43:19 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:43:19 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 01:43:19 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:58 man 01:45:01 the dark maul tile is 01:45:03 super goofy 01:45:09 it looks like a nerf hammer 01:47:04 is it time to get rid of geryon's horn and make it an inherent ability to him? 01:47:49 rast: Well considering it was just made actually usable, probably not. 01:48:05 geryon's horn is cool now 01:48:12 it's unique loot 01:48:15 like asmostaff, but good 01:48:23 does the game really need more evokables in that category? 01:48:40 especially now that its been fixed so only one recharges at a time 01:48:50 ? 01:49:02 its basically like lamp of fire or whatever now 01:49:15 except it summons a better creature, but no cool fire effect 01:49:17 rast: Don't talk to me, I don't like it. 01:49:45 rast: gammafunk was the one who redesigned it if you want to talk to him. 01:50:04 on that topic, will phial of floods be nerfed? since its actually good, but in a nethack-y way 01:50:15 which apparently crawl devs hate :( 01:50:25 nethack-y how? 01:50:42 you evoke it at your own face when you get hit with sticky flame 01:51:04 rast: But it's also good just for killing things. 01:51:12 reaverb i hadnt noticed 01:51:21 if you think that is why it is good, you are confused :P 01:52:20 i suppose it depends on what stage of the game you're at 01:52:46 i know that at all stages it puts out sticky flame to protect your scrolls 01:53:05 which is the most important thing in crawl, clearly 01:53:14 and (rarely) putting out sticky flame is relevant to keeping yourself alive 01:53:35 item destruction is hopefully going away in 0.15 at some point anyway, so that will deal with this anyway 01:54:01 you know what else is relevant to keeping yourself alive? doing lots of mostly-unresistable damage and summoning water elementals at the same time 01:56:55 elliptic in my experience it doesnt do much... does the power scale with Evocations? 01:57:09 yes 01:57:18 ah 01:57:21 demonspawn don't appear correctly under ctrl-x 01:57:25 they show up as ? 01:57:28 how nice that the putting out fire part still works at power 0 01:57:37 even at 8-10 evo it is extremely powerful though 01:57:57 elliptic how does the damage compare to a bolt want at the same evocations? 01:58:00 *wand 01:58:24 ignoring the water elemental, though hes a decent blocker 01:58:26 it's single-target but somewhat better dam & irresistible, I think 01:58:31 also you get multiple elementals 01:58:43 and stronger ones, maybe? not sure if their hd scales 01:58:43 reaverb: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11888&p=166711#p166711 [few thoughts anyways] 01:58:45 yes, at decent evo you usually get 2-3 elementals 02:00:03 Bcadren: Did you seriously suggest a potion giving you Death's Door for 100 turns or did I misread that? 02:00:58 Some of those ideas aren't that bad, though. 02:01:53 reaverb yea I did. Potion of Death's Door wouldn't be bad I guess I overestimated how long the spell works normally. I've never used it. 02:02:18 Bcadren: The spell last like 10 turns. That potion would be insanely overpowered. 02:03:23 So the spell lasts long enough to tele out, basically. 02:03:35 scroll of random uselessness could take on your scroll of xom effect 02:03:59 10 turns is enough time to do a lot 02:04:07 ??deaths door 02:04:08 deaths door ~ death's door[1/1]: Renders the caster invulnerable, but reduces you to necro/2 + kiku piety/15 health (up to 13+13). Cannot be recast until 1d3 turns after expiry. You get an end warning. Healing effects other than Revivification (which will confuse+paralyse you if cast!) do not work (including potions of curing to cure status effects). Duration is ~16-25 turns. 02:04:20 Yeah, slighlty longer, you can use it offensively. 02:04:42 100 turns of ddoor is probably enough to beat anything, period, no questions asked. 02:04:44 i think there are already enough useful potions and we dont need more 02:04:57 unless we are going to combine or remove current ones 02:05:27 Bcadren: The best idea there is !stasis but the problem is amulet of stasis sort of covers that already. 02:05:41 rast: The idea is for potions around as useful as lingification. 02:06:01 reaverb i get it but if they are axtually useable thats a LOt of slots 02:06:15 lignification ive used early game, its not awful 02:06:26 Bcadren: One problem is a lot of your ideas are bad effect + good effect instead of effect which is both good and bad. 02:06:26 lignification is secret anti-grinder tech 02:06:26 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 02:06:30 also anti-menkaure 02:06:49 ??lignification 02:06:49 potion of lignification[1/2]: Replaces potions of slowing, causes temporary uncancellable {tree form}. 02:06:54 ??tree form 02:06:54 tree form[1/1]: Immobile form with -Tele, no hunger, no potion or food usage, +50% HP, 20 + XL/2 AC, minimal EV, rN+++ rPois rTorm. Allows eating/quaffing in 0.15+. 02:07:10 wow that might even be good in tomb? or not? 02:07:15 Also, it's not like we can't change the weights. Drop the "normal" good potions down in weight and increase the weight of the quirky potions. Balance problem solved. 02:07:24 rast: Yes it's been used in the tomb. 02:07:30 reaverb my concern is inventory slots 02:07:44 rast: on Treeform? 02:08:03 on 7 more better-than-lignification potions 02:08:55 reaverb one I forgot to write: Potion of Calm: You are slowed, but get significant clarity, slaying and to-hit bonuses. You take fewer actions, but your actions don't fail. 02:08:58 rast: I already struggle with inventory slots. I think choosing which potions are best for your char would be interesting. 02:09:52 Bcadren what reaverb says is worth repeating 02:09:59 "One problem is a lot of your ideas are bad effect + good effect instead of effect which is both good and bad." 02:10:20 Yes, as with the others, that's (Slow + Clarity + slaying) rather than a single, cohesive effect. 02:11:03 I think tree form can eat and quaff now, actually 02:11:07 Lignification is Bad Effect + Good Effect...it's just a form and not stacked effect (undead resistances, AC+, can't move)... Berserk afterall is just Might, Haste, HP-Boost, Self-Mesmerization. 02:11:14 someone more awake than me should edit the learndb entry after double-checking ( !learn edit tree form[1 s/, no potion or food usage/ ) 02:11:57 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140413030203]] 02:13:44 Bcadren: Yes, but treeform and berserk manage to hide it. Read this article: http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/mm/209 02:16:10 What do you guys thing of this: a scroll which creates a bunch of portals of golubria around you. 02:16:37 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14.0-19-g73085dc 02:17:59 reaverb poor man's disjunction 02:19:24 Bcadren: Yes, that's one possible result. Might also block and escape path, or maybe let you get the distance you need to escape a montser. 02:20:47 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:20:48 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:22:48 -!- sd1989 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:22:51 Hmm.. We don't actually need any more scrolls. There aren't any bad scrolls now. Some are useless like random uselessness, but they aren't any actively bad ones. 02:23:27 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-185-gb15286e (34) 02:23:56 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:25:58 -!- SkiChan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:32:06 rast: did you ever figure out the bot announcement stuff that you were asking about? 02:32:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:38:38 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:48:42 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:53:07 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:59:48 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:01:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:04:40 03elliptic02 07* 0.15-a0-186-gfa5bd04: Fix not being able to unequip +Fly items over deep water with racial permaflight (qw). 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fa5bd047d98c 03:04:40 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.14 03:09:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:18:14 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:18:22 Why is there a depths vault that just a donut hallway with trees, stone, and a ~really good item? 03:18:59 Nivim: How do you know the time is a part of the vault? 03:19:17 (If you can prove that it's probably something silly that just slipped in, please tell us) 03:19:34 I do not know, but I'll find the vault and see. 03:19:39 It was a good randart. 03:20:15 (And it seems weird to have a big vault, in depths, with nothing in it but trees and that item.) 03:21:00 Nivim: Lost of vaults are just decor. 03:21:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:21:06 Lots 03:21:20 To thin out the nasty ones? 03:21:36 I just saved in a vault in the depths with a bunch of trees. but no items 03:22:05 ^watch johnstein 03:22:05 Watch johnstein at: http://crawl.berotato.org:8080/#watch-johnstein 03:22:09 this one, Nivim? 03:22:13 Nivim: Because it's pretty. 03:22:28 It's a little shallow, but the decor isn't really doing much else, is it? 03:22:42 no randarts 03:22:43 see: bh_autumun_forest. 03:22:53 just 5 hell knights 03:22:58 and a necromancer 03:23:39 (My current method of following a link in my irc is convoluted. See it now.) That's not it. 03:24:00 It's several times that size, a donut shaped hallway lined with trees. 03:24:09 ah ok 03:24:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 03:25:33 -!- Satonakaja has quit [Quit: Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei!] 03:26:35 (So it's not in dat/des/branch/depths.des, and not in serial...) 03:27:35 Where are the trees in your vault, Nivim. 03:27:48 Well, if you want you can look on CAO. 03:27:57 Same as this name. 03:28:55 !watch Nivim 03:28:55 Watch Nivim at: http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-Nivim 03:30:20 Nivim: Look I just know by the placement that item's just there because. It was spawned by the Dungeon generator, no the vault. 03:30:32 Ok. 03:30:49 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30:54 Nivim: I can't track down the exact vault but I'm certain it doesn't place the ring. 03:31:12 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:26 Nivim: Btw, you can get a dump of vaults placed at the end of the game via some means I cannot currently recall. 03:31:34 I've got to go now, bye. 03:31:38 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:31:38 Thanks. 03:32:50 (-- Why is it so big if it's just decor? Shouldn't stuff like that be incorporated into stuff like serial or normal dungeon generation? I really hope it doesn't take up a slot that a real vault could have spawned in.) 03:35:47 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:37:48 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:38:30 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:39:27 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:40:23 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:41:09 ?/placed vaults 03:41:09 No matches. 03:41:18 ?/vaults list 03:41:18 No matches. 03:41:22 ?/vault list 03:41:23 No matches. 03:41:28 ?/vault 03:41:29 Matching terms (27): aerie_vault, arrival_vault, bad_vaults, bat_vault, door_vault, food_vault, food_vaults, jelly_vault, no_vaults, portal_vault, portal_vaults, rat_vault, scorpion_vault, serial_vault, the_vaults, vault, vault_guard, vault_monsters, vault_names, vault_sentinel, vault_standards, vault_warden, vaultedit, vaultmaking, vaults, vaults:5, vaults_needed; entries (200): 8[2] | 9[2] | aby... 03:41:38 oh 03:41:42 ??vault_names 03:41:42 vault names[1/1]: !lg * map=~thing s=map 03:41:46 -!- Bovinius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:47:32 -!- Flowers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:49:07 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:49:27 BAT VAULT 03:49:40 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:52 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:55:39 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:34 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: It's a dud! 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It's a du...] 04:09:51 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10:04 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:10:21 -!- DickDiaper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:12:32 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 04:22:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:24:05 -!- Insomniak has quit [Client Quit] 04:26:10 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 04:26:23 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:26:35 "If you code up 4-5 interesting risk/reward potions which do not significantly affect game balance I'm sure they would be accepted." 04:26:50 3 posts later: bcadren suggests replacing strong poison with a potion that gives you 100-turn DDoor 04:42:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:43:15 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:45:11 -!- Orfax has quit [] 04:45:38 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:52:22 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:20:48 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:23:26 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 05:24:01 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:32:40 -!- edlothiol has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:43 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 05:33:04 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:33:06 -!- rast- is now known as rast 05:33:33 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:33:59 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:39:02 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 05:43:15 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:43:17 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:47:30 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:18:48 -!- notclule has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:25:33 -!- Xenobreeder__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:32:39 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-187-g0bb430c: Allow entering tree form while in poison/meph clouds, add messaging 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0bb430c4f6b3 06:39:49 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:41:57 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:52:34 -!- mdvedh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:02:17 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:36 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:57 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:15:16 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:48 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:16:28 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:23:37 -!- _aardvark has quit [] 07:23:47 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:28 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 07:31:35 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 07:31:40 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:29 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32:54 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:58 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:19 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:40:27 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 07:40:52 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:49 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:42:15 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:42:57 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 07:44:42 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:48:18 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:50:13 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:51:39 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:52:18 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:54:51 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:56:48 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:57:00 Does anyone know where in the source the AC boost for a player who is currently petrified is defined? Or is there no AC boost? 07:57:35 remember when self-petrification was a thing 08:01:01 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 08:01:44 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:02:13 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:06:03 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Read error: No route to host] 08:06:57 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:07:29 -!- bzn has quit [Client Quit] 08:15:30 -!- Infinite_Monkeys has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:15:39 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:20:21 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:22 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:20:41 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:20:51 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:22:48 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:25:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31:12 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:35:33 pigah (L1 OpWr) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:35:34 jcd (L13 GrBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 08:35:37 patrikchr (L3 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:35:41 Rafael (L3 DsAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:36:48 -!- Wolfram_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:36:55 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:40 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:38 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:41:06 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:55:18 -!- mk83 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:56:38 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:24 <|amethyst> Patashu: it doesn't increase your AC; it just reduces all incoming damage. See: 08:57:38 <|amethyst> !source ouch.cc:1057 08:57:38 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ouch.cc;hb=HEAD#l1057 08:59:10 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:59:20 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:59:51 how did I miss this in my search? *checks* 08:59:57 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:01:01 weird that I missed it. thanks! 09:02:51 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:04:51 <|amethyst> Patashu: maybe you were searching for DUR_PETRIFIED rather than you.petrified() ? 09:06:08 I was searching for petr. I guess I just overlooked it. 09:07:00 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:11:19 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:33 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:11:39 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:16:17 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:20:47 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:32:43 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:33:06 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:39 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:39:23 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:40:03 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:03 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:44:27 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46:37 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:47:06 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 09:50:41 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:27 -!- jliou has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:05:09 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:07:01 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:39 -!- umrain has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:17:12 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:19:32 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzwecha 10:20:06 -!- dwgaudghwagdIAMS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:23:09 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 10:24:44 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:32:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:36:22 -!- jcd748 has quit [Client Quit] 10:38:32 I pressed o once, which put me in the corner of a travel-excluded area. I then see “You're in a travel-excluded area, stopping explore.” immediately, and it pops up again every time I press o. 10:38:51 I think what happened is the game could not tell if the tile I landed on was in LOS of the tile I set the exclusion on. 10:38:59 Is that a bug or acting as intended? 10:39:35 I mean, I discovered the tile was in LOS the moment I stepped on it and not before. 10:40:03 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42:04 seems normal 10:43:00 ckyle: that is not typical behavior, but it can happen if a door was opened by a monster since you last saw the area 10:43:02 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:04 alright. I wasn’t sure if auto-explore should be more conservative about accidently walking into a dangerous area 10:43:40 it is usually pretty conservative, but if it remembers a door as being closed then that area would not have been under an exclusion placed on the other side of the door 10:43:43 Well, I think it was because I put the exclusion in an area with lots of obsticals and I couldn’t see the everywhere it might apply 10:44:15 it assumes that squares you haven't seen are floor, which normally handles that 10:45:01 There’s no door in the way. http://crawl.s-z.org/#watch-CKyle 10:45:05 anyway there are a couple other things that can cause the sort of behavior you described, a door opening is just one of them... I think also clouds that block LoS can do things 10:45:57 hm, that is weird... any chance that a monster was using digging on the level? 10:46:45 I see grinder is on the level 10:46:56 so if he has a wand of digging then that could maybe explain it 10:46:57 oh, he could have digging 10:48:40 That’s it. There used to be wall one square north of the staircase. 10:49:01 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:20 -!- trystero has quit [Client Quit] 10:53:23 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:20 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14.0-20-g75a2fc2 11:04:49 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:21 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:13:27 -!- ebarrett has quit [Quit: I quit] 11:14:25 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:02 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:21:41 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:23:15 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:24:43 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:25:38 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:43 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140413030203]] 11:30:18 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:57 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:33:20 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:04 ontoclasm: Any ideas for how gnolls could work? 11:36:18 ? 11:36:40 how do you mean? 11:37:09 Currently they're pretty weird. 11:37:22 (god damn rltiles) 11:37:48 yes, they should be replaced, probably 11:37:59 And I can't really think of any ideas for how they could look. 11:38:24 roctavian made https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5746 11:38:36 which are good for a basica shape but not distinct enough from one another 11:39:06 http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MM35_gallery/MM35_PG130.jpg 11:39:22 the problem is just how do we make something like this except in 32x32 11:39:47 <|amethyst> I kind of prefer 2nd ed http://www.dotd.com/mm/MM00134.htm 11:39:58 <|amethyst> though the 3E version has better legs 11:41:21 |amethyst: The 3E one looks a bit too bestial, yeah. 11:41:40 Bloax: i'm not sure how that's harder than fitting a dragon or Asterion in 11:41:55 i mean, it's a dude with a dog head basically 11:42:03 dog heads, ugh 11:43:06 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:07 hyena lovers everywhere resent that 11:43:39 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:42 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:31 -!- iliekturtles has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:52:29 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:56:12 -!- gareppa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:56:18 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:03:50 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14.0-20-g75a2fc2 12:07:36 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:42 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:08:14 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:16 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-187-g0bb430c (34) 12:09:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:11 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:18 -!- yogidabear has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:17 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:36 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:17:35 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:58 -!- Basil is now known as Guest27279 12:18:46 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 12:25:50 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Client Quit] 12:25:52 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:18 -!- HDA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:31:34 -!- Ciph has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:35:39 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:37:54 -!- Guest27279 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:43:37 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:44:33 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:03 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:54 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:48:55 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:49:35 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50:17 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51:06 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:02 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:51 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:14 -!- Basil__ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:00 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:52 -!- Zaba has quit [Quit: nothing] 13:00:04 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:30 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:02:54 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:36 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:07:27 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:10:27 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 13:12:07 -!- fufumann has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:01 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:01 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 13:13:01 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:07 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:14:41 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:46 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:54 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:21:07 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:21:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:23:01 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:23:21 -!- BangBang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:25:34 Grunt: since you're working on ranged, what do you think about being able to pain brand a bow? 13:25:53 since we can have chaos/holy wrath branded bows already 13:26:08 also disto bows? 13:26:45 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:26:54 heh, whoever tells me its a bad idea will probably use that as an example of why it would be a bad idea 13:27:55 No distobows! 13:28:26 an no pain bows?!!! 13:28:31 pain brand a bread ration 13:28:37 *and 13:28:37 Grunt: does your ranged thing merge SPWPN_FLAMING and SPWPN_FLAME 13:28:43 or whatever they are 13:28:51 you "could" "brand" bread with "distortion" at one point 13:28:53 right? 13:28:57 Maybe I should do a pain ranged unrand to see how it works <_< 13:29:05 yiss 13:29:26 pain unrand dart of returning 13:29:34 wheals: they're functionally identical but distinct right now; I haven't removed the latter yet. 13:30:21 eb: exploding pain unrand dart of returning 13:30:35 you win this time, gammafunk 13:30:54 pretty hard for the returning part to do anything there... 13:31:05 crate: way to ruin fun 13:31:07 it returns in your dreams, to haunt you 13:31:24 as in when you go to sleep it casts haunt on you, from beyond the grave 13:31:40 You feel vaguely nervous. 13:31:45 haunted exploding pain unrand dart of returning? 13:31:55 the plot thickens 13:32:27 You go down through the gate. Welcome to the Vestibule of Hell! Welcome to Hell! 13:32:28 this might be a "good" side effect for a pain unrand ranged thing, every once in a while it haunts you 13:32:28 _Please enjoy your stay. 13:32:30 this is a bit too spammy 13:32:38 notice that I'm being about half serious and half not serious here 13:32:38 good we remove one or two of these messages? 13:33:05 -!- Basil__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:12 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:33:15 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:33:25 The second "Welcome to Hell!" message is confusing 13:33:34 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:48 not sure why that one was every added 13:33:51 s/every/ever/ 13:33:57 it's kind of absurd humour 13:34:04 please enjoy your stay in hell 13:34:12 i'd remove the first one, personally 13:35:58 oh that one was supposed to be part of that "please enjoy your stay" bit 13:36:13 I really love the Hell message and would be sad if it was removed. 13:36:24 No, I like it too 13:36:31 hrm, we kind of want to say the full branch name 13:36:31 Maybe make it only happen like one_chance_in(5) 13:36:46 -!- Stendarr|2 is now known as Stendarr 13:36:49 I don't think that solves the spammy issue 13:37:31 probably just drop the vestibule message or just drop the joke, I guess; the only other compromise is to drop Welcome to Hell, which messes up the joke a wee bit 13:37:46 It's not that important that we say Vestibule, I guess 13:38:10 my vote would be to drop "Welcome to Hell!" and keep the rest, I guess 13:38:43 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 13:39:45 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:14 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:43:10 seth (L19 FoFi) ASSERT(in_bounds(source)) in 'beam.cc' at line 616 failed. 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18:08:52 -!- rebthor has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 18:11:54 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:42 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:22:46 -!- trystero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:24:58 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:15 Bcadren: unlikely, but who knows? 18:26:52 -!- edlothiol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:28:48 -!- Node_255 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:30:03 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:31:59 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:34:56 -!- LIX has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:39:04 I'm pretty sure Linley named it, and I don't think he said anything about where it came from 18:39:19 though you could dig through oldcrawl source to check if you really wanted to 18:43:05 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:43:11 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:47:21 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:04 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 19:01:58 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:34 Is there a way (offline) to make a wizmode game still score? Specifically I'm just wanting to Wizmode unique starts and races to see how they play. (First up is a Ghoul that doesn't rot naturally, but also doesn't heal naturally)...chunk eating as only healing. 19:03:27 -!- Watball has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:03:28 you could probably comment something out of wiz.cc or whatever that file's called 19:03:44 I think there's actually -D flag you could use ... 19:03:44 wherever it sets the non-scoring attribute 19:04:14 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:12 but you know wiz games still -show- the score, they just don't record it 19:05:13 -D flag? 19:05:18 iiirc 19:05:41 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:04 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:04 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 19:06:31 ontoclasm: fancy leather when 19:09:04 the only real reason to make wizard games record the score is to make it easier to test stuff like Gretell, afaik 19:10:57 wizmode won't let you mutate undead. o_o; 19:11:32 I thought since it was forced it would, but it didn't. 19:13:19 octopode crushers aren't joking around 19:13:22 err. wrong wroom 19:13:26 rong wroom 19:13:37 that's racist 19:13:56 -!- zeia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:14:33 -!- Watball_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:22:45 I can't manage to actual mutate a ghoul; tried changing race to human and back and only ones that aren't related to ghoul's normal mutations stay. (Slow Healing 3 goes to Slow Healing 1 and Claws 3 goes to Claws 1; but unrelated Beak 3 stays.) ...ugh. I guess I could give a human all the ghoul mutations, except the actual undead-ness...there's no wizmoding that. guess I -won't- try this afterall. 19:23:12 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:13 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 19:26:18 I was considering suggesting a Ghoul nerf to Slow Healing 3 to make the undeadness have a higher cost. I wanted to play it first to see how bad it was, but I can't manage to wizmode it. 19:27:05 I'm not sure ghouls are strong enough to deserve a nerf to dead dwarfhood. 19:27:44 They are a lot more powerful than the other undead (mummy, bloodless vampire) is the only thing. 19:27:45 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:28:23 -!- myrmidette has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:28:31 except they aren't truly hungerless 19:29:50 -!- vible has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:29:54 -!- MgDark_MiBe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:30:38 hungerlessness isn't the best undead bonus, by a long shot. I'd say it's the rPois+ in early game and rN+++ and rTorm in extended. 19:32:53 well and then there's gargoyles 19:33:21 with huge AC and rPois+ rN+ and torment resistance 19:33:28 and they certainly don't have slow heal 3 19:33:51 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:33:54 Which is kind of halfway. They are also one of the easiest races by a long shot. 19:34:14 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:53 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:41:43 -!- Patashu_ is now known as Patashu 19:42:27 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 19:43:44 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:45:59 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night!] 19:46:58 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:07 -!- nooodl__ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:30 -!- nooodl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:54:58 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:57:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:01:59 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:02:25 -!- nooodl__ is now known as FoWr 20:05:04 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:05:19 <|amethyst> Bcadren: probably easiest would be to edit give_basic_mutations() in ng-setup.cc and recompile 20:05:36 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:28 Bcadren: You just need to compile with SCORE_WIZARD_CHARACTERS=u 20:06:33 err, SCORE_WIZARD_CHARACTERS=y 20:06:53 I guess the name of that might be differant, I don't know the details and don't have the time to look them up right now. 20:06:54 Bye! 20:07:02 -!- reaverb has quit [Client Quit] 20:08:42 <|amethyst> make EXTERNAL_DEFINES="-DSCORE_WIZARD_CHARS" 20:08:46 <|amethyst> err 20:08:49 <|amethyst> make EXTERNAL_DEFINES="-DSCORE_WIZARD_CHARACTERS" 20:09:04 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:25 -!- thetabyte has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:15:51 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:16:08 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:43 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:07 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Quit: BREAK] 20:24:06 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 20:24:16 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:25:45 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:35:18 -!- notcluei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:43:14 -!- thetabyte has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:47:35 -!- PleasingFungus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:35 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:51:45 -!- PleasingFungus_ is now known as PleasingFungus 20:58:02 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:59:06 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:59:48 -!- t4nk224 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:05:15 -!- Pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:06:15 !time 21:06:15 Time: Apr 21, 2014, 02:06:15 AM, UTC. The 2014 0.14 tournament ends in 6 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes and 44 seconds. 21:08:49 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:50 -!- notcluie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:13:55 air elemental (15E) | Spd: 25 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-45 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 15 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind, 04napalm | XP: 223 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 21:13:55 %??air elemental 21:14:37 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:17:15 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 21:20:50 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:22:51 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:02 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11923 21:28:28 -!- everett has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131206151508]] 21:29:43 if anything then i'd like fungus form 21:31:22 What about a race that changes size with level? Tiny (Spriggan) Lv: 0 -> Small (Halfling) Lv: 10 -> Normal (Human) Lv: 15 -> Large (Ogre) Lv: 22 -> Huge (Dragon) Lv: 27 21:31:48 Bloax Fungus as a spell? 21:31:51 ??Fungus form 21:31:51 fungus form[1/1]: A bad form. You become a wandering mushroom! Permanent confusing touch, can't move with enemies in LOS, rPois, rN+++. Can't cast spells, eat, drink, wield or evoke wands. 21:32:10 <|amethyst> Bcadren: for the most part, larger is worse 21:32:11 Bcadren: Yes. 21:32:13 It's great. 21:32:37 Could be a poor man's necromut. But probably a bad idea...could use for hungerless good god invos. 21:33:25 |amethyst Yes, I know. But having dragon strength as a permanent at high level could be worth having felid + weapon level of equipment slots. 21:33:25 <|amethyst> Bcadren: so there would have to be significant benefits to make up for losing the EV and stealth as you go up in level 21:33:30 it's not like it has to be hungerless 21:33:46 Bcadren: that race could be.. 21:33:49 octopode :^) 21:34:04 starting off as an itty bitty squidly thing 21:34:18 ending up as a huge octopus beast 21:34:20 <|amethyst> by "strength" you mean unarmed damage? 21:35:04 It would also go hand-in-hand with the little ideas people have for dragon form being kraken form for octopodes. 21:35:47 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:51 |amethyst by strength I mean actual strength and general weapons bonuses. 21:35:51 -!- ebarrett has quit [Quit: I quit] 21:36:00 <|amethyst> kraken form would be kind of neat, but a pain to write 21:36:06 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:13 -!- rast- is now known as rast 21:36:31 it'd be near impossible to actually control your tentacles; they'd be like...spectral weapons at best. 21:36:33 <|amethyst> and debug I'm sure 21:36:42 |amethyst: so is the price for great things :( 21:36:46 <|amethyst> probably like summons 21:37:26 if anything they'd work if directing them was instantaneous 21:37:36 instead of having to actually shout it out loud to them 21:37:48 <|amethyst> I was thinking they just swarm around you and attack things 21:37:55 yeah 21:38:02 <|amethyst> you have no choice in the matter other than controlling where the center is by moving :) 21:38:21 could be really funky 21:38:44 as long as they don't hurt you too badly when they get hit 21:38:54 because they will 21:40:47 <|amethyst> maybe rather than damage sharing, divide some proportion of your HP among them 21:40:58 <|amethyst> when you untransform, you get back whatever's left 21:41:29 What I was thinking was either a demon race that basically went through 5->1 with level. With the one stage having invocable hellfire, huge melee damage and permaflight, but only weapon + jewelry. Or a full dragon race that started off as something the size of the dragonlings on Game of Thrones. 21:42:05 hatchlings are a thing you know 21:43:57 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 21:44:07 I know. I mean we have permanent lich and permanent statue. Permanent dragon could also be a thing, though it was to be diferent enough that it's not just putting Draconian and Troll in a melting pot. 21:44:18 -!- notclule has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:44:52 <|amethyst> I don't know that I'd call gargoyle "permanent statue" 21:45:11 A race that grew from being a lil' spriggan-sized hatchling to a full-grown dragon could be a thing 21:45:24 problem is just would it be interesting to basically only have jewellery 21:47:16 <|amethyst> Dragons are out, I think 21:47:24 kaboom 21:47:27 er 21:47:28 doh 21:47:34 <|amethyst> since dragons are unintelligent in Crawl 21:47:49 and once again i bring out krake- er, octopodes 21:47:50 <|amethyst> and it's rather similar to draconians 21:48:09 since at the very least you'd still have eight rings 21:48:21 which is a very cool mechanic 21:48:32 and the extra EV certainly could help you escape the earlygame 21:49:38 dragon-lich-pode-stalker, obviously 21:50:50 What about Arachnetaur? I wrote that up and never updated it. 21:52:50 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 21:53:33 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:56:12 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 21:57:06 sorry, but i think spider-man hybrids are less cool than octopuses growing from tiny squids into giant octopuses of death 21:57:28 and would certainly make more sense in growing than said spider-man hybrids 21:58:33 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:58:46 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11648&p=162768#p162768 21:59:11 arachnotaurs would still be cooler 22:00:25 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 22:01:21 you like it, Bloax? 22:03:06 eh 22:03:10 most of its stuff is useless 22:03:32 except for the throwing nets which is potentially ridiculously powerful 22:04:00 mm 22:04:10 there are no apts either 22:04:22 Didn't put them yet. 22:05:25 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:30 octopodes have quite some potential 22:05:32 It's Ensnare. the ability that Wolf and Jumping spiders have as a player ability. The 'Leaving Webtraps automatically'...is useful for running mostly. 22:05:47 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:05:53 wolf spiders don't ensnare 22:05:54 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06:05 wolf spider (16s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 11 | HP: 41-67 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 25, 1508(poison:22-44) | web sense | Res: 06magic(29) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 567 | Sz: Medium | Int: insect. 22:06:05 %??wolf spider 22:06:12 jumping spider (12s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 19-44 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 2016(ensnare), 508(poison:16-32) | sense invisible, web sense, !sil | Res: 06magic(21) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 301 | Sp: blink close, 04esc:blink away | Sz: Medium | Int: insect. 22:06:12 %??jumping spider 22:06:21 which ones do? 22:06:40 Arachne (11H) | Spd: 15 | HD: 17 | HP: 200 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, web sense | Res: 06magic(68) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3551 | Sp: ensnare, poison arrow (3d24), blink, b.venom (3d21) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:06:40 %??arachne 22:06:40 It's exclusive to jumping spiders. 22:06:52 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:06:56 Arachne has it listed as a spell. 22:07:05 That's because she blasts you with webs. 22:07:05 Either of those others do... 22:08:16 The idea is what Arachne is as a race. Unique bonuses and some of those of Spider form.., but no venom melee since not a spider head. 22:09:25 I'll redraft a bit. 22:11:55 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:12:42 -!- eb has quit [] 22:14:04 -!- jday_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:15:30 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:21:49 -!- Eonwe6 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:21:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:26:18 -!- Krakhan has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:26:20 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 22:26:21 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 22:28:50 bloax edited: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11648&p=162768#p162768 22:29:27 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: bye!] 22:30:52 ??starting stats 22:30:52 starting stats[1/3]: A character's starting stats are equal to species contribution + job contribution. See {starting stats[2]} for the species contributions and {starting stats[3]} for the job contributions. 22:31:01 ??starting stats[2] 22:31:01 starting stats[2/3]: Ce 10,7,4 | DD 11,8,8 | DE 5,12,10 | Dg 11,12,11 | Dr 10,8,6 | Ds 8,9,8 | Fe 4,9,11 | Fo 12,7,6 | Gh 11,3,4 | Gr 11,8,5 | Ha 5,8,11 | HE 7,11,10 | HO 10,8,6 | Hu 8,8,8 | Ko 7,6,10 | LO 10,8,6 | Mf 8,7,9 | Mi 12,5,5 | Mu 11,7,7 | Na 10,8,6 | Og 12,7,5 | Op 7,10,7 | Sp 4,9,11 | Te 8,8,9 | Tr 15,4,5 | Vp 7,10,9 | VS 10,8,9 22:31:23 they're wussier than spriggans and felids 22:32:22 they are extreme like Trolls and Deep Elves, one HUGE stat, the others are rather low. 22:32:58 though those are different than what the wiki says, which is what I was going off of. 22:32:58 !apt Naga 22:32:59 Na: Fighting: 0, Short: 0, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: -1, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 5!, Shields: -2, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 3!, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: 0, HP: 2, MP: 0 22:33:24 aptwise they're pretty much just better, squishier nagas 22:33:35 that aren't slow 22:34:48 Stats equal 2 + Species + Job. That version has the 2 already in there where the wiki doesn't. 22:35:19 so in that version's form it'd be 4,7,16. 22:36:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37:01 it does keep the rPois- weakness, which I think without also having stasis (formacids) probably isn't too horrible a weakness... 22:37:50 -!- FoWr has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:37:55 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:37:59 -!- SomeoneAwful_ is now known as SomeoneAwful 22:38:18 except it is 22:38:27 because most notable things that poison you 22:38:31 adder (09S) | Spd: 13 (swim: 60%) | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 1/15 | Dam: 508(poison:4-8) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(8), 12drown | XP: 13 | Sz: little | Int: reptile. 22:38:31 %??Adder 22:38:35 water moccasin (07S) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%) | HD: 5 | HP: 17-38 | AC/EV: 2/15 | Dam: 1008(poison:10-20) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(20), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 149 | Sz: small | Int: reptile. 22:38:35 %??Water moccasin 22:38:37 black mamba (02S) | Spd: 18 | HD: 7 | HP: 26-52 | AC/EV: 4/15 | Dam: 2008(poison:14-28) | cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(28), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 458 | Sz: Medium | Int: reptile. 22:38:37 %??Black mamba 22:38:40 are faster than you 22:38:42 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:38:46 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 22:38:56 and twice that poison is quite a lot of poison 22:39:07 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:42:23 It's a notable weakness on an otherwise strong race. I think it's worth keeping. Long as it isn't TOO fatal. 22:48:36 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:49:52 -!- ToastyP has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:59:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:03:18 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:06:58 someone's mentioned something about how it's silly to mention Beogh giving equipment bonuses when racial equipment is gone 23:08:16 -!- agolden has quit [Client Quit] 23:12:29 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 23:12:38 I'm still in the camp of 'I want Beogh to be changed.' 23:16:30 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 23:18:22 -!- Chippums has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:19:33 -!- User__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:21:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:25:04 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-188-gb26a505: Fix an inconsistency in Phantom Mirror target checking. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b26a5055fa7c 23:25:05 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.14 23:25:07 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:09 MarvinPA: good partial bug fix on your part :b 23:26:25 (though those checks being copy and pasted is the real issue!!!) 23:29:29 -!- GDR has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:29:38 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:29:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:34:28 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 23:35:00 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:35:35 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:56 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:38:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:18 -!- dafunda_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:46:32 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:33 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:51 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:46:58 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 23:49:14 -!- Brannock_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:49:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:53:17 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:56:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:57:56 -!- Sonata is now known as flappity 23:58:41 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.]