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is that a tele trap on the left 01:36:43 anyway the other day there was this guy with zot traps on both sides, probably just rotten luck 01:38:16 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:38:44 it is 01:38:59 ok, I was wondering if this was intended behavior - I think I remember seeing something similar reported as a bug? 01:39:07 there is nothing that prevents multi zot/tele traps in the corridors 01:40:40 ok 01:41:26 it is definitely intentional that there can be zot/tele traps on both sides -- whether this is good behavior is another question 01:41:59 in this case I can grab a stasis amulet or fuck around with cblink 01:42:05 it's a little silly, though 01:42:16 you can use regular blink 01:42:27 or just step in a trap 01:42:39 I used amnesia on blink 01:42:44 for extra efficiency 01:45:59 I had one on one side in my tournament win; I just LRD'd around it, though 01:47:23 -!- whiterider has quit [Quit: This user has gone to sleep.] 01:49:09 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:25 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timeout: 245 seconds] 08:41:26 -!- guzonghuiren has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:44:53 -!- Ciph has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:45:44 If CSZO is broken, should there be an announcement on the CDO page? 08:45:48 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 08:45:48 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 08:45:48 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:38 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:51:14 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:34 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 08:52:56 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 08:56:58 -!- Ketsa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:58:19 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:58:41 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:39 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:28 <|amethyst> probably, since the tournament pages are hosted on cszo (dobrazupa.org) 09:02:52 <|amethyst> No word yet 09:02:56 |amethyst: will you, or shall I? (If I do it, I'd need a little bit of information). 09:03:01 There's no mirror on those tourney pages, is there? 09:03:04 <|amethyst> I have to go to work, could you please? 09:03:11 <|amethyst> I don't really know anything more than you 09:03:15 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:26 |amethyst: sure! What to write? (also "we have no clue" is okay, just tell me :) 09:03:30 <|amethyst> let me check something 09:03:40 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:09 <|amethyst> Yeah, no response yet 09:04:43 <|amethyst> Just say that I have opened an emergency ticket from my ISP this morning and am awaiting a response. 09:04:51 <|amethyst> direct people to cbro and cao 09:05:25 <|amethyst> (and maybe see if elliptic can temporarily host the tourney page somewhere else?) 09:05:41 -!- Cipher__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:06:33 <|amethyst> Anyway, I must be going. I can edit it when I have more information, but I won't be checking email for several hours 09:06:54 <|amethyst> hopefully it's just "oops, someone kicked the power cord" again 09:07:14 <|amethyst> and it will be back up without my intervention 09:07:37 <|amethyst> actually "broken router" would be even better, because then the machine hasn't rebooted :) 09:07:55 <|amethyst> anyway, ttyl 09:08:03 |amethyst: alright, wil do 09:11:18 !tell |amethyst http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/cszo-broken 09:11:19 dpeg: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 09:12:07 There is this vault with two statues... I keep getting that over and over these days. Some testing WEIGHT gone unnoticed? 09:12:18 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:13:10 dpeg: must be a clustering illusion! 09:14:01 -!- BigBluFrog` has quit [Client Quit] 09:15:43 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:58 -!- wolfram has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:17:03 dpeg: I have built (but not yet tested) a vault based on your circular temple layout. The idea is that it would spawn late in dungeon or in depths, and the shrines would all be lugonu shrines. In the center is an area with portals to the abyss and abyssal monsters, and the terrain has been warped to create paths from the center into each of the surrounding shrine rooms. 09:17:06 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:17:21 The outside of the circle is largely untouched, but the inside is fairly chewed up and corrupted. 09:17:32 <|amethyst> dpeg: two statues with a shop in between? 09:17:32 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:17:34 Does that sound interesting or boring? 09:18:16 (the idea is that it's a standard, recognizable temple layout that's desecrated by lugonu and abandoned by the pantheon) 09:18:36 Oh, and it'd be isolated from the rest of the level, with its own enter/exit stairs 09:20:26 <|amethyst> dpeg: edited 09:20:31 <|amethyst> dpeg: (the post that is) 09:20:33 <|amethyst> dpeg: thanks 09:21:08 <|amethyst> (I'm at work now, and waiting for my boss to show up for that 10:00 meeting that was originally 9:00 (it's 10:20 now)) 09:21:23 <|amethyst> He's on Polish Standard Time I think 09:21:37 <|amethyst> (i.e., late) 09:24:41 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:25 -!- guppyfry has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:34:42 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Client Quit] 09:34:57 hm, getting the tourney scripts hosted elsewhere requires the following things: (1) a kind person with a working server to agree to host it; (2) the server needs compatible versions of MySQL and Python to run the scripts; (3) copies of CSZO's logfile/milestones files (greens.nark should have these because of Sequell) 09:35:58 players who set up their clans on CSZO would also have to set them up anew on rcfiles on a different server 09:36:44 probably it is worth waiting at least a little while to see if CSZO comes back quickly, since that would be the least disruption to tournament 09:37:01 Lasty: sounds good to me 09:37:13 Lasty: we can make it as rare as we like, and the flavour is spot on 09:38:18 -!- notclule has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:40:07 <|amethyst> "Sago Networks is experiencing technical difficulty with twosides of our fiber rings and two of its upstream providers, several of our Atlanta customers have been affected. Our engineers have been working on it for the since just after the issue started at 3:00am. The affected part of the Sago Network should be back up and running soon." 09:40:14 Cool. I'll get it tested when I get a chance and then Mantis it 09:40:18 <|amethyst> Not as a response to my ticket, but as a general message to customers 09:40:32 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:40:52 General outage is good in a sense -- it means all their resources are on it 09:40:58 <|amethyst> yeah 09:42:16 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:43:30 -!- _D_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:43:48 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:47:55 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 09:48:20 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Client Quit] 09:50:11 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 09:50:31 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:47 -!- sirlaggard has quit [] 09:53:41 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:16 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 09:57:18 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:00:18 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:00:28 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:01:39 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:04:48 -!- Moanerette has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:08:31 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:09:23 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:10:37 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 10:11:58 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:13:49 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 10:14:21 -!- Xenobreeder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:15:47 -!- Xenobreeder__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:16:48 -!- WildSam has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:17:31 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:23:22 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:24:18 -!- asdfe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:25:26 -!- atrodo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:31 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 10:25:48 -!- DaimyoKirby has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32:22 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:41 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:33:37 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:35:18 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:45:41 -!- yalue has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:47:03 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Client Quit] 10:47:27 -!- zencephalon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:48:00 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 10:48:57 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:38 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:55 -!- omni_ is now known as omnirizon 10:57:00 -!- Akien has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:53 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:43 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:03:18 -!- puppyknuckled has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:04:18 -!- Kalaber has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:40 -!- ToastyP is now known as ToastyP_ 11:06:43 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:08:00 Note to self: removing Ha is not a cut, it's a shortcut. 11:08:41 ba dum tish 11:09:04 wait, are we discussing removing races? 11:09:16 still haven't heard any good reasons to remove Ha other than the flavor being weak 11:09:37 hey, I was just doing it for the pun 11:09:52 ok, what's seriously being considered for the chopping block? 11:10:10 I guess, with kilobyte on hiatus the impulse to half the ling is smaller. 11:10:31 "hiatus" 11:10:46 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:15 well, it might be a fling 11:12:07 how come cszo is down anyways 11:13:13 Lightli: general problem in Atlanta (?) region. Hopefully dozens of highly motivated and well-paid persons are working on it. 11:13:39 clearly it was the fault of that ice storm last night 11:13:54 that's what you get for removing it and replacing it with a worse spell! 11:14:18 -!- esper6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:14:24 * dpeg looks at Lightli with grim and arctic fury. 11:17:16 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:18 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:53 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 28.0/20140319124030]] 11:22:59 !lg 4tharraofdagon DEFE 11:23:00 200. 4tharraofdagon the Firebug (L2 DEFE), slain by a worker ant on D:4 on 2014-04-16 14:30:08, with 60 points after 269 turns and 0:01:46. 11:23:05 pretty good death on this one 11:23:07 -!- Thalfon has quit [] 11:23:15 wait not this one 11:23:40 !lg 4tharraofdagon DEFE 201 11:23:41 Index out of range: 200 11:23:53 !lg 4tharraofdagon 11:23:54 7685. 4tharraofdagon the Firebug (L2 DEFE), slain by a worker ant on D:4 on 2014-04-16 14:30:08, with 60 points after 269 turns and 0:01:46. 11:23:58 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:59 that's strange 11:24:39 !lg 4tharraofdagon DEFE 11:24:39 200. 4tharraofdagon the Firebug (L2 DEFE), slain by a worker ant on D:4 on 2014-04-16 14:30:08, with 60 points after 269 turns and 0:01:46. 11:24:45 only 200 11:24:48 !lg 4tharraofdagon DEFE -2 11:24:49 199/200. 4tharraofdagon the Firebug (L2 DEFE), slain by an adder on D:3 on 2014-04-16 14:28:13, with 36 points after 304 turns and 0:01:43. 11:25:40 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:28:03 I just saw him splat a xl14 or so DEFE to 7 orc priests. 11:28:13 And it's neither of there 11:28:18 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:28:21 These* aresfsgfdgdhd 11:29:27 !lg 4tharraofdagon defe 11:29:27 -!- Bamboomancer has quit [Client Quit] 11:29:28 201. 4tharraofdagon the Scorcher (L13 DEFE of Sif Muna), slain by an orc warrior (a +0,+1 trident of pain) on Orc:1 on 2014-04-16 16:20:22, with 42551 points after 7760 turns and 1:43:49. 11:29:36 sequell sometimes takes a few minutes to update 11:29:39 !lg 4tharraofdagon defe x=src 11:29:40 201. [src=clan] 4tharraofdagon the Scorcher (L13 DEFE of Sif Muna), slain by an orc warrior (a +0,+1 trident of pain) on Orc:1 on 2014-04-16 16:20:22, with 42551 points after 7760 turns and 1:43:49. 11:30:11 -!- pisano has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:30:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:30:16 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:36 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:17 footv is acting a bit odd as well 11:31:42 I assume it's related to cszo somehow; it wouldn't play a ttyrec from a clan game 11:32:02 -!- drachereborn has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:04 !lg * ikiller=asterion x=src 11:32:04 67. [src=clan] inmateoo the Wrestler (L18 GrMo), blasted by Asterion (fireball) on Shoals:4 on 2014-04-16 03:45:51, with 202903 points after 39056 turns and 1:37:07. 11:32:10 !lg * ikiller=asterion x=src -tv 11:32:10 67. inmateoo, XL18 GrMo, T:39056 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 11:32:25 gammafunk: currently footv seems stuck trying to fetch a ttyrec from cszo, yes 11:32:30 ah, ok 11:32:45 !nuke 11:32:46 FooTV playlist clear requested by elliptic. 11:32:49 interesting that it doesn't just timeout 11:32:54 that might work, it did once earlier 11:33:01 we tried that already 11:33:05 !lg * ikiller=asterion x=src -tv 11:33:05 67. inmateoo, XL18 GrMo, T:39056 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 11:33:25 yeah, it's stuck on that Basil game 11:33:27 !nuke 11:33:28 FooTV playlist clear requested by gammafunk. 11:35:21 !lg * ikiller=asterion x=src -tv:channel=asterion 11:35:21 67. inmateoo, XL18 GrMo, T:39056 requested for asterion (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 11:35:51 oh it just fixed itself (or greens nark fixed it) 11:37:42 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140411030201]] 11:40:48 -!- DaimyoKirby has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:43 -!- Akien has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:42:48 -!- Zeia_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:43:47 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:44:14 -!- qtip has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:45:38 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 11:46:08 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:52 -!- Raycaster has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:51:05 dpeg: pah! CDO nicht erw�hnt? ;-P 11:51:13 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:22 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:39 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:49 -!- pisano has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:54:47 |amethyst: hang in there! 11:55:16 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 11:57:48 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:29 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:59:15 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:12 -!- Akien has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:44 -!- ckyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:52 -!- zencephalon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:05:08 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-156-g25fd16a (34) 12:06:07 -!- Flun has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:07 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 12:07:30 Napkin: does CDO feature webtiles right now? 12:13:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:14:48 -!- DaimyoKirby has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:16:50 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 12:18:47 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:11 -!- Basil is now known as Guest29180 12:19:16 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:16 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 12:20:56 -!- vede has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:21:20 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:20 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:22:06 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:57 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:01 dpeg: nope! 12:27:07 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:27:21 -!- zencephalon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:27:32 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:43 Napkin: that's why :) 12:28:20 CSZO is serving webtiles only? 12:28:30 !lg 4tharraofdagon defe 201 -tv 12:28:31 201. 4tharraofdagon, XL13 DEFE, T:7760 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 12:28:36 no, CSZO is just off the internet 12:28:49 normally it has both console and webtiles 12:29:46 I'd ask for an ETA until it comes back, but that would be rude 12:30:31 Napkin: console players are the minority. Also, I expect console players to be flexible enough in changing servers :) 12:31:04 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:31:16 modern schnickschnack ;) 12:31:17 -!- Guest29180 is now known as Basil 12:31:21 indeed! 12:31:30 <|amethyst> Lightli: the ISP said "soon" about 3 hours ago 12:31:42 I'd be more flexible about changing servers if I could rescue my rc 12:31:45 :( 12:31:55 so 2015 then 12:31:58 the ISP also said "soon" about 5 hours ago 12:32:06 relax, guys 12:34:22 ebarrett: I don't know if you've made changes since then, but http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/ebarrett.rc 12:34:44 oh, thank you 12:34:55 there are probably some minor changes I would not really notice anyway 12:41:13 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:43:13 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:43:19 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 12:44:06 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:02 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:53 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:50:36 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:51 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:55:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:51 -!- ckyle_ has quit [Quit: ckyle_] 13:04:54 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:05:49 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:06:12 -!- umrain has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:08:23 -!- umrain has quit [Client Quit] 13:09:25 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 13:11:07 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 13:11:13 thoughts on whether the character selection dialogue should use a word other than "Viable" when describing recommended species/backgrounds? 13:11:22 it seems sort of inaccurate now 13:12:02 'recommended' looks like it'd be too long? 13:12:09 'good' 13:12:16 'strong' 13:12:18 'tech' 13:12:23 diesel 13:12:34 for the diesel background, select gl. 13:12:36 recommended is probably too long, yes, and all these other words have the same issue as viable 13:12:50 hm. beginner? 13:12:57 noob 13:13:00 scrub 13:13:12 synergistical 13:13:26 "good" 13:13:38 oh good was already suggested 13:13:49 "fun", never recommends felid 13:14:03 "nice" 13:14:08 or "sweet" 13:14:08 "okay-ish" 13:14:22 "OP" 13:14:29 "diesel" 13:14:30 I think 'good' is a weaker term than 'viable' (which is desirable, now) 13:14:37 G-Flex: look up !!!! 13:14:41 god SOME PEOPLE 13:14:41 ??!!!! 13:14:41 ![1/2]: If you hit something and the message ends with !, that means you did 7-17 damage. !!, 18-35. !!!, 36-71. !!!!, 72-143; !!!!!, 144-287; !!!!!!, 288+; and so on. Yikes! 13:14:47 thanks sequell 13:14:48 haha 13:15:14 yeah how about just "!!!!" 13:15:20 typical? 13:15:24 use emoticons instead 13:15:25 ":D" 13:15:52 >: ( 13:16:00 bearded 13:16:03 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:16:49 I mean, we do have room for "recommended" certainly, it just might make things less pretty 13:17:30 "good" or "strong" would be improvements over "viable" I guess 13:17:42 imo instead of having a tag for recommended combos mark the not recommended ones with "you need to be this tall to play this" 13:17:58 (rip halflings) 13:18:12 I'd like some kind of pretensious recommendation from an elite player for each one, it'd be like reading the label on a wine bottle 13:18:50 in all seriousness, good, strong, or another simple word does seem to be an improvement 13:19:08 simple word suggesting "good", that is 13:19:44 -!- xezzy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:21:30 why is viable not good, is it because the recommended combos are not necessarily viable? 13:21:39 other way around 13:21:47 many unrecommended combos are great 13:22:01 many unrecommended combos are viable; we don't want to recommend every troll, for instance 13:22:07 The HaNe has a strong, piquant flavour, evocative of the '87 maudire orteil d'Zot. 13:22:27 -!- FVG-R0010X has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:22:42 G-Flex: for plenty of !!!!! use blade hands with Chei 13:23:15 dragon form stabbing with boots of the assassin 13:23:17 er 13:23:19 i guess that is hard 13:23:27 probably have to settle for blade hands 13:23:29 yes there's a small issue there 13:23:42 TrBe should be served early in the evening, with a side of hydra meat and hors d'orc priest. 13:24:16 crate: at least blade hands is guaranteed if you survive the tm start 13:24:21 Spectrina has an Fo going in trunk right now with a grayed out GSC, since she wielded it before Fo were disallowed GSC 13:24:23 PleasingFungus: there is a tavern request for descriptions of all 600+ combos, so go ahead and submit it :) 13:24:33 hahahaha no 13:24:33 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:45 She has to carry another flail to even train M&F, but otherwise she can continue to use it until she ascends 13:24:54 I just liked gammafunk's joke 13:25:34 I was thinking "It'd be nice to have a serious blurb about each recommended combo", but that's probably a very bad idea 13:25:47 approved, endorsed, sponsored, suggested, favored, sanctioned, preferred, suitable combos 13:25:53 GrBe is like my love for you. Like a truck. 13:25:56 I can just imagine how much arguing would ensue 13:26:03 tbh I think the background & species descriptions are generally enough. it's not like the background defines how you play beyond the early game, anyway... 13:26:06 A big stony metal truck. 13:26:09 except maybe god backgrounds 13:26:28 a rock hard truck some may say 13:26:45 I like "suggested" 13:27:02 not much shorter than recommended though 13:27:04 suggested is good 13:27:08 -!- zencephalon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:27:14 very precise 13:27:18 yeah, probably the best word so far 13:27:45 oh that's good 13:27:55 suggested correctness 13:28:06 I was thinking 'selected' but that's weird as a standalone description. suggested is much better 13:28:16 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 13:28:19 better than "advised" or "counseled" 13:28:45 Suggested starter classes: Fi Fe Be Mo 13:29:06 Felids are a class? 13:29:11 (if you add Gl it just doesn't have the melody) 13:29:13 Fe Fi Fo Fum 13:29:17 we still need an Fm class to streak FeFi FoFm 13:29:18 felid elementalist 13:30:11 does fefi actually get 13:30:13 anything 13:30:16 I guess !might 13:30:17 that's good 13:30:58 fortunately !might was added 13:31:06 FeGl gets jackshit though. 13:31:47 isn't FeGl disabled 13:32:10 yeah it is 13:32:12 !lg fe playable s=role 13:32:14 No games for fe (playable). 13:32:24 !hs * Fe-- 13:32:25 54131. hyperbolic the Ripper (L21 FeGl of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2010-12-20 09:16:22, with 33162178 points after 43713 turns and 8:56:31. 13:32:31 oddly enough the high score was Gl 13:32:35 but it was disabled some time ago 13:32:41 !lg * won fegl 1 13:32:42 1. hyperbolic the Ripper (L21 FeGl of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2010-12-20 09:16:22, with 33162178 points after 43713 turns and 8:56:31. 13:32:45 heh 13:32:53 it was unwon and then I decided to get a good score too :P 13:33:04 that was some good score strategy 13:33:20 gammafunk: pretty sure it was oldfe 13:33:32 which was apparently much stronger than newerfe 13:33:36 which was piss weak 13:33:50 what was changed? 13:33:50 it was stronger in some ways 13:33:56 lives 13:33:56 apts were made worse 13:34:01 and life stuff, yes 13:34:18 Current felids are probably the best felids yet. 13:34:19 but now felids can use wands and have a much better evo apt than they did then 13:34:31 I think it had more to do with the player rather than any Fe changes :p 13:34:38 so yes I wouldn't say that oldfelids were better than current felids 13:34:58 current felids are much better than any felid due to wands being a thing 13:35:18 and wands of teleport/haste/healing also being a thing they can use now 13:36:06 I'm still upset over getting the wizard prison vault as a felid, and messing up using the only orb card I found in the game when tryign to free the spectre; never got to the loot 13:36:16 at least that won't happen again 13:36:38 03elliptic02 07* 0.15-a0-157-g1b8d4f6: Unban Wn -> Fe (Sequell). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b8d4f65eba2 13:36:38 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.14 13:36:57 for all the FeWn players who choose background first 13:37:41 !lg * FeWn won 13:37:42 9. Snack the Sabretooth (L27 FeWn of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-05-26 05:06:21, with 1536226 points after 85910 turns and 4:05:15. 13:39:09 btw, CSZO's ISP just posted that they are "closer to a solution to our network issue in Atlanta. Hopefully we will have an ETA soon" 13:39:14 Oh, hey, we're talking about felids. Um, I feel a bit weird asking, but out of curiosity why is the 2 life cap thing necessary? I've won one and it feels like it encourages weird Nemelex behavior. Like, for my part I hoarded decks of wonders and slowed my XP drawing so I could be sure I could get a stockpiled life back easily. 13:39:56 having large numbers of lives available at a time is really bad for tension 13:39:59 UncertainKitten: yeah, it does have some weirdnesses... I think the main reason though is so that losing a life doesn't feel as awful 13:40:18 also that, yes, so you aren't wasting a permanent resource when you lose a life 13:40:32 * UncertainKitten nods 13:40:36 I mean, it is still bad, but if you get back up to 2 lives then you are sort of recovered 13:40:38 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 13:40:46 -!- umrain has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:40:47 um don't felids still have a cap on total number of lives 13:40:54 Do they? 13:40:58 (re: not losing a permanent resource) 13:41:00 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:04 I didn't think they did, I got 10 in my Felid win 13:41:06 maybe they dont 13:41:13 It gets significantly harder to get lives at xl27. 13:41:13 they do, yes, but it is basically a matter of the overall xp cap 13:41:14 You keep getting lives after 27, it's just really really hard 13:41:16 Yes 13:41:20 and it gets harder and harder too 13:41:30 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:32 Like I did not expect to see the 10th life 13:41:38 also do they still require four levels of xp to get a life if they die on a fresh life 13:41:45 but the lifecap means that losing a life at e.g. xl13 doesn't really matter in the long run 13:41:48 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:42:14 (which is to say that they die on xl6 and now they must still get to xl9 for a new life) 13:42:24 I'm pretty sure, yeah 13:42:25 anyway suggestions for improving felid life scheduling would certainly be appreciated 13:42:40 You definitely have to get 2 levels to get back a stockpiled life 13:42:44 it's just hard to come up with something that handles all the angles 13:42:48 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:42:50 I agree 13:42:58 the only suggestion i have is that they don't have to recover the lost level from the death for a new life 13:43:00 I actually talked with DracoOmega a lot about felids. 13:43:06 and that's about it 13:43:09 -!- Zerkmund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43:11 it's weird that felids are encouraged to hoard xp cards/potions. those are pretty rare, though 13:43:16 But we couldn't really come up with something 13:43:17 esp with the nemelex changes (so you can't wonderscum) 13:43:24 Eh, not all that rare 13:43:32 I've been pretty reliably drawing experience 13:43:42 PleasingFungus: well, it is possible to make xp cards/potions not help towards getting extra lives 13:43:46 I'm not sure I saw more than 1-2 xp cards in my last nem games 13:43:51 they already don't help towards most xp timers 13:43:53 Nem is also kind of the god of encouraging weird behaviours anyhow 13:43:54 e.g. draining 13:44:00 elliptic: that might be reasonable, if it was well communicated 13:44:05 to the player 13:44:14 Even if 1 in 10 of your decks is wonders, each of those wonders can have multiple XP cards 13:44:15 Hrm... 13:44:16 joke solution: remove Fe 13:44:30 Well that'd hurt an already weak race in some ways though. 13:44:34 Fe should be able to wear hats. 13:44:43 well, it is actually what I would expect as a player given how xp potions work with other things 13:44:43 because seriously cats in hats. 13:44:44 i still dont know why nemelex is the god of "here have these really wide-ranging tactical effects ... oh and bonus strategic deck because???" 13:45:06 crate: because it always was like this 13:45:07 this is also a valid response (remove nemelex wonders) 13:45:09 i'd just leave it be 13:45:16 idk how I feel about it. wonders are fun 13:45:20 yeah, experience card is something that I would be quite happy to have removed at some point 13:45:20 dpeg, well i've always felt it was problematic! 13:45:24 helix! xp! shuffle! 13:45:33 crate: the whole god has issues, but Wonders do stand out 13:45:38 shuffle that 45 int on your DEWz to str 13:45:42 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:45:46 strategic effects as part of a god like ash is ok, since ash does not give you a plethora of different tactical things 13:45:47 even wonders is a weird mix of tac and strategy - why on earth does it have Potion? 13:45:53 grab that glowing great mace and be a warrior 13:45:54 the other stuff in wonders might be problematic too but experience is just unnecessary 13:46:00 crate: oka gives strategic & tactical stuff 13:46:01 and trog 13:46:13 and they do not give a really wide range of tactical effects 13:46:15 But what would even be the point of non legendary wonders without experience in it? 13:46:20 maybe i would argue about trog gifting a bit 13:46:25 Helix is too dangerous at anything below power level 2 13:46:26 helix? trowel? 13:46:31 Does it have trowel? 13:46:35 I think so? 13:46:38 ??deck of wonders 13:46:38 deck of wonders[1/2]: Cards: {potion card}, {focus card} (rare), {shuffle card} (very rare, not in plain decks), {experience card}, {wild magic card}, {helix card}, {sage card}, {trowel card} (rare, only in legendary decks). Sacrifice consumables, books, and miscellaneous items. 13:46:42 yes 13:46:42 Huh, so it does 13:46:46 oh, and sage 13:46:46 trowel is probably the most scummy of the cards 13:46:48 but that's only in legendary 13:46:50 Sage is more a curse than blessing 13:46:51 used to only have it in dungeons 13:46:53 so doesn't solve your problem 13:46:59 sage can be good! sometimes! occasionally! 13:47:04 Which fits with wonders 13:47:05 oh wow trowel card still exists? can we fix that bug 13:47:10 maybe remove experience 13:47:19 and replace sage with increased experience gain 13:47:24 Oh, Focus can be good though 13:47:30 ...that actualyl sounds kind of cool 13:47:36 !learn edit deck_of_wonders s/ Sacrifice*// 13:47:36 Use: !learn edit deck_of_wonders[NUM] s/// 13:47:42 !learn edit deck_of_wonders[1 s/ Sacrifice*// 13:47:43 deck of wonders[1/2]: Cards: {potion card}, {focus card} (rare), {shuffle card} (very rare, not in plain decks), {experience card}, {wild magic card}, {helix card}, {sage card}, {trowel card} (rare, only in legendary decks). consumables, books, and miscellaneous items. 13:47:46 fuck 13:47:57 !learn edit deck_of_wonders[1 s/ consumables.*// 13:47:57 deck of wonders[1/2]: Cards: {potion card}, {focus card} (rare), {shuffle card} (very rare, not in plain decks), {experience card}, {wild magic card}, {helix card}, {sage card}, {trowel card} (rare, only in legendary decks). 13:48:10 hm 13:48:19 ??deck of destruction 13:48:19 deck of destruction[1/2]: Cards: {vitriol card}, {flame card}, {frost card}, {venom card}, {hammer card}, {spark card}, {pain card}, {orb card}. Sacrifice weapons, ammunition, and magical staves and rods. 13:48:41 anyway the other weird thing about how felids currently work is that it is far better to die at 99% towards the next XL than at 1% towards the next XL 13:48:46 I guess I should edit all of these 13:48:52 * UncertainKitten nods 13:48:54 Yeah 13:49:13 spade card was still in the learndb pretty recently 13:49:19 despite not being in crawl for a few versions 13:49:22 ??Spade card 13:49:23 I don't have a page labeled Spade_card in my learndb. 13:49:26 huh, what did it do? 13:49:27 haha 13:49:29 it used dig 13:49:30 digging 13:49:33 haha 13:49:46 oldcrawl had a lot of identical dig effects 13:49:53 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:51:26 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:27 hm 13:51:33 was march 2012 0.10 or 0.11 13:51:50 Closed runed door preventing autotravel by nubinia 13:51:52 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:18 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:53:22 Hrm, is there a better penalty to death than level loss? Isn't felid level loss basically the only level loss left in the game at this point? 13:54:42 well there's already a penalty for dying 13:54:45 and that is losing a life 13:54:47 Yeah 13:54:54 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:55:21 UncertainKitten: yeah, I know dracoomega wanted to remove the level loss (and I agree in principle that doing so would be nice) 13:55:31 Well, why is it there? 13:55:32 my best suggestion was a small amount of draining 13:55:47 it'd solve the only suggestion i had for felids 13:55:48 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:56:20 which is to not make the xl-before-new-life rise by 1 every time you died 13:56:23 The drain thing does sound like a good idea 13:56:36 (and it does so because you lost an xl) 13:57:11 what I would do with felids - replace the level drain with skill drain, put the "gain stored lives" thing on an xp timer rather than on level up 13:57:31 Draining also does more than XL drain. 13:57:36 i.e. work the same way as wrath, xp-charged evocables, etc 13:57:40 because XL drain only serves to make you even more fragile 13:57:48 So that way you don't have the weird interaction with post level 27 lives? 13:57:52 And yes, what Bloax said 13:57:55 and just require some amount of xp gain (which would be told to the player on the 'E' dialogue 13:57:57 ) 13:58:06 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:58:06 maybe on the % too 13:58:10 I was about to point out that basically the level loss means a 3 death felid at XL 24 is a level 27 character with 3 levels less HP 13:58:15 It's like a bonus HP malus 13:58:21 (because E is kind of a weird thing) 13:58:29 UncertainKitten: that depends on when you lost the lives 13:58:35 (unless you're speedrunning or something, in which case % already shows you what you need) 13:58:36 UncertainKitten: if you lost them early on, it doesn't mean that 13:58:40 Oh, yeah, you're right 13:58:45 because later levels take far more XP to gain 13:58:56 Exponents are different from flat rate! 13:59:07 And I know that, just had a weird blindness there 13:59:29 well it all sounds like a plan 13:59:43 But yeah, these do sound like better ideas for the life thing 14:00:04 Now all we need is fuzzy kitten sweaters and felids will clearly be the best race. 14:00:15 anyway there are still more details to worry about with that plan, but I think something like it could work 14:00:18 you mean hats right 14:00:22 Hats too 14:00:37