00:00:49 Bloax: What is special about that picture? 00:01:02 just the set of resistance 00:01:44 Hmmm 00:02:52 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:03:05 Not the rune being fetched at lowest xl, that's for sure 00:03:56 stupid lair:2 hydra right next to stairs just ended a nice elf 00:04:07 hydra and even elec eel in los 00:04:17 of course fear didn't work 00:05:04 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14.0-12-g87ee3b7 00:06:24 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:06:37 gammafunk: lowest xl are kind of out of the scope for meleeguys 00:06:47 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:06:53 since meleeguy implies killing things in melee 00:06:56 which means taking damage 00:07:13 well the records usually go to spen and things like that 00:08:19 but I only mention it because I still have positions 1, 2, and 3 00:08:36 although yermak or someone will change that I'm sure 00:10:28 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-152-g6d8a42c (34) 00:10:34 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:11:49 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:19:52 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:56 swamp worm (07w) | Spd: 12 | HD: 10 | HP: 23-47 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 26 | Res: 06magic(13), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 162 | Sz: Medium | Int: insect. 00:19:56 %??Swamp worm 00:20:16 the purpose of these things are dubious 00:20:33 except when the purpose is* 00:21:54 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22:12 they bite really hard 00:22:22 except you can just walk into a place they can't reach you and rest it out 00:22:45 clearly they need a Reach attack 00:23:30 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24:13 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:45 -!- Pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:24:48 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:26:48 -!- GummyVite has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:28 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:31:09 atrodo (L17 TeCj) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster burning bush failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 00:32:13 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:33:31 atrodo (L17 TeCj) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster burning bush failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 00:36:40 atrodo (L17 TeCj) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster orange rat failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 00:36:59 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-153-g71a92d4: Lich felid tile (Bloax, 5983) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=71a92d4cd5d4 00:36:59 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-154-g0757957: Minotaur tile (Team Impy, 7490) 10(53 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=075795748342 00:36:59 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-155-g2613b33: Ring unrand tiles 10(15 minutes ago, 3 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2613b332079e 00:38:16 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:38:39 -!- ayutzia is now known as ayutzia_ 00:42:49 -!- sd1989 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:57 !messages 00:42:58 No messages for sd1989. 00:43:26 -!- sd1989 has quit [Client Quit] 00:45:28 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Like it? Visit #hydrairc on EFNet] 00:45:59 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:48:18 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:49:24 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:06 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 00:51:28 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:33 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:52:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:54:51 !killratio urug 00:54:54 urug wins 2.281% of battles. 00:55:22 !killratio mnoleg 00:55:24 mnoleg wins 0.774% of battles. 00:55:27 haha 00:55:36 !killratio ereshkigal 00:55:38 ereshkigal wins 0.850% of battles. 00:55:43 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 00:55:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:55:50 !killratio ereshkigal cv>=0.10 00:55:51 No battles for ereshkigal and ogaz. 00:55:56 !killratio ereshkigal * cv>=0.10 00:55:58 ereshkigal wins 0.937% of battles against * (cv>=0.10). 00:56:11 !killratio cerebov * cv>=0.10 00:56:13 cerebov wins 5.011% of battles against * (cv>=0.10). 00:57:40 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 00:59:39 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:59:49 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:51 -!- rast- is now known as rast 01:01:54 !messages 01:01:54 No messages for ontoclasm. 01:02:40 !tell ontoclasm hi 01:02:40 Grunt: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 01:10:03 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:15:10 !tell Grunt hi 01:15:11 ogaz: OK, I'll let grunt know. 01:15:56 !tell ogaz hi 01:15:56 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let ogaz know. 01:16:11 :) 01:16:14 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140411030201]] 01:17:11 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:19:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:24:05 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:24:35 -!- puppyknuckled has quit [Client Quit] 01:25:41 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:26:07 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:33 -!- jeffro_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:27:30 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:33 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:48:25 -!- turde has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:48:43 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 01:49:03 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:17 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:52:42 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:56:29 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:59:25 -!- ayutzia_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:07:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:09:05 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:16:48 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14.0-12-g87ee3b7 02:17:48 -!- dfinlay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:18:48 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20:50 -!- moonprincess has quit [Quit: Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei!] 02:22:54 -!- Cabadath has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:29 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-155-g2613b33 (34) 02:24:11 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:52 Potion of lignification: Because you want to make a complete fool out of Gloorx Vloq. 02:26:47 alternatively 02:27:02 Potion of lignification: Because you want to make a complete fool out of yourself infront of Gloorx Vloq. 02:31:21 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:33:17 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33:33 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:07 -!- ldf2866 has quit [Quit: ldf2866] 02:45:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:46:19 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 02:46:37 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:18 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:50:22 Doesn't lignification make you immune to everything Gloorx does, except melee? 02:50:28 Gloorx Vloq (15&) | Spd: 20 | HD: 16 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 45 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 12453 | Sp: poison arrow (3d23), miasma breath (3d13), s.torment, b.draining (3d23), dispel undead (3d25) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 02:50:28 %??gloorx vloq 02:50:36 ...yep. 02:53:28 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:53:42 Not quite immune; Poison Arrow still damages you a bit (and you can't dodge it as a tree) 02:54:02 But for extra special fun, combine lignification with Disjunction. 02:58:31 -!- Arkaniad|Laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:59:15 (I speak from experience on this) 02:59:50 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:08 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 03:04:56 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:07:01 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:01 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 03:09:04 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:12:14 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:15:03 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:15:10 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:15:45 -!- ayutzia is now known as ayutzia_ 03:19:27 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:27:23 How strong is force lance? 03:27:42 It seems pretty wussy even in optimal conditions. 03:27:56 Same damage as Iskenderun's Mystic Blast. 03:30:58 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:26 -!- ontoclasm1 has left ##crawl-dev 03:32:18 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:33:07 It can't push things into deep water can it? rofl 03:33:47 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:34:51 Well I'm a little deep elf with 38 int in a robe of archmagi and a staff of conjuration (albeit with 8.3 conjurations), and this thing has all the power bars it can have. 03:35:01 it has trouble killing yaks 03:35:18 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35:42 it seems kind of awful, yes 03:35:50 tried it once or twice and never bothered learning it since then 03:35:52 fireball is much better than it with less skills 03:36:04 and fireball is a guaranteed AOE hit spell 03:36:11 that's ridiculously bad 03:36:44 (for the record, i have 2.5 fire) 03:37:58 giant frog (03F) | Spd: 15 (swim: 60%) | HD: 4 | HP: 13-32 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 9 | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(16), 12drown | XP: 90 | Sz: Medium | Int: reptile. 03:37:58 %??Giant frog 03:38:01 wow 03:39:11 yak (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 26-52 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(28) | XP: 205 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 03:39:11 %??Yak 03:43:55 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 03:44:14 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 03:44:49 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:44:55 ..It's inaccurate too, isn't it? 03:45:46 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:48:35 ??force lance 03:48:36 force lance[1/1]: Level 5 range 4 conjuration. Deals modest damage. If it injures a target, it attempts to knock them back, which fails if random2(2500) is less than their body weight. There is a 50% chance of a second knockback attempt (so if both succeed they will be knocked back two spaces). 03:49:25 It's a conjurations, directional disjunction/blink far other. with mediocre damage part. 03:53:31 what a redeeming quality for its raging incompetence at being a level 5 conjuration 03:55:40 and speaking of level 5 spells 03:55:54 spells get awfully hungry for mp 03:55:59 and mp regeneration is so awfully slow 03:56:10 maybe it shouldn't be that 03:56:36 unless it's very important that every caster must press 5 after every encounter 03:56:52 because otherwise that mp just isn't going to be coming back 03:57:28 http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/0/5/3/262053.jpg?v=1 03:58:22 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:00:30 What if !mut was guaranteed to be remove 1 mutation (if you have any); 1 good mut; 1 bad mut; 1 random mut (if it didn't remove 1). Would mutation roulette be more or less appealing? 04:01:54 (I want to complain about raiju again, what with being effectively as-fast-as|faster-than sixfirhys, and dealing lots of damage from bolt bouncing-- in packs--, but I'm beginning to think they were intended; something to make the abyss a more gauranteed death for level <17 characters instead of merely extremely dangerous.) 04:03:17 raiju (12h) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 26-52 | AC/EV: 4/14 | Dam: 1111(elec:7-9) | sense invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(28), 11elec+++ | XP: 265 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d14) | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 04:03:17 %??raiju 04:03:36 They are normal speed; though I get the point about the blinking. 04:03:39 unknown monster: "hellhound" 04:03:39 %??hellhound 04:03:43 hell hound (11h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 17-38 | AC/EV: 6/13 | Dam: 13 | 05demonic, sense invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(20), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 147 | Sp: b.flame (3d10) | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 04:03:43 %??hell hound 04:03:54 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:04:03 Yeah; every time they attack with blinkbolt they catch up with you for free, and block whereever you were trying to go. 04:04:13 Win-win-win for them. 04:04:23 ??relec 04:04:23 relec[1/1]: Reduces electrical damage to 1/3, 1/6, 0 by level (but players can only get level 1). Available from potions of resistance, staff of air, storm dragon armour, statue form, mutations and artefacts. 04:05:16 with rElec, blinkbolt becomes basically 3d5 which is a helluvalot more manageable. [And that's still reduced by AC/2. 04:05:39 Well, 6d5 anyway. 04:05:45 Abyss has a lot of walls. 04:05:50 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:50 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 04:08:39 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:15:52 -!- ayutzia_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:18:38 -!- minqmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18:38 -!- minmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:25:43 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:26:04 Carpet and jello and home depot the cobra snake. 04:30:44 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:31:08 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:08 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 04:31:08 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 04:31:47 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:32:39 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:52 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:34:03 No, really. 04:34:10 Mp regen needs a buff. 04:39:59 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:41:32 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 04:41:51 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:43 -!- SomeoneAwful has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:43:53 Is it possible for Jiyva to make you all 1/50+/1 04:46:07 if you want int like that you should probably worship cheibriados and not jiyva 04:48:38 there's an idea. 04:48:49 !lm help 04:48:49 No milestones for help. 04:48:55 !message 04:48:55 No messages for Cabadath. 04:49:02 !leavemessage 04:49:05 !leavemessage help 04:49:08 !leavemessage help foo 04:49:15 !sendmessage help foo 04:49:19 !sendmessage help 04:49:25 !message help 04:49:25 No messages for Cabadath. 04:49:29 fuck. 04:50:08 !tell Cabadath !tell might be what you're looking for 04:50:08 Bloax: OK, I'll let cabadath know. 04:51:45 !tell dpeg What if Cheibriados's buffs adjusted to what your character needs (like Jiyva's shuffling) instead of being a flat equal boost across all stats. (Just a minor boost idea that might make him more relevant for more characters) 04:51:46 Cabadath: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 04:51:46 Cabadath: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 04:51:53 !messages 04:51:54 (1/1) Bloax said (1m 46s ago): !tell might be what you're looking for 04:52:22 Cabadath: I can already spoil to you that your idea is kind of unnecessary. 04:52:35 Since the flat boost is what makes him so good. 04:53:08 (You can wear actual things and dodge very well as a DEWz^Chei pumping int, for example.) 04:55:59 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:57:21 !lg . -log 04:57:22 705. Bloax, XL13 DEWz, T:10039: http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Bloax/morgue-Bloax-20140415-095450.txt 04:57:24 casters are awful 04:58:59 -!- Okte has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:20 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:24 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:26 -!- rast- is now known as rast 05:00:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:02 why would you want to dodge things as DEWz 05:01:12 just nuke everything from afar and use rmsl for the rest 05:02:32 nuking everything is easy and fun 05:02:37 until you have to rest it up 05:02:40 every time 05:03:02 even the weakest pests require a rest 05:03:28 (with a little early exception where you can just melee them to death) 05:04:54 you could also train evocations and use cboe 05:06:05 Spiked heels made a hole in my lifeboat! :( 05:06:14 Kvaak: that implies finding one 05:06:31 they're not that rare really 05:07:14 well why should my enjoyment of the game be based on whether or not i find a rare item 05:07:27 that's like praying you find a ring of regeneration to actually have fun 05:07:52 (Fortunately you can still have fun without a ring of regeneration.) 05:08:25 don't know about you but there are plenty of cboes in my games 05:08:32 orc4 generally has one 05:08:50 I can't even remember when was the last time I've seen one. 05:09:01 I probably saw one while zig diving. 05:09:09 (and promptly splatting) 05:10:41 also there's always sif 05:20:08 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:29:41 -!- DarthXaos has quit [] 05:34:28 -!- Cabadath has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:38:10 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 05:39:08 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 05:39:26 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:09 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 05:53:45 -!- Okte has left ##crawl-dev 05:53:58 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:26 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:55:04 -!- thromnambular has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:55:14 -!- 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TeCj) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster raven zombie failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 07:48:04 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 07:49:45 -!- thromnambular has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:50:33 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 07:53:42 -!- Lprsti99___ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:53 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:20 atrodo (L17 TeCj) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster naga sharpshooter failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 08:09:25 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:10:13 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:10:18 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:11:37 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:03 atrodo (L18 TeCj) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster burning bush failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 08:22:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 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[dam=47] dpeg the Bewitcher (L19 VpAs of Dithmenos), blasted by ldf's ghost (great blast of fire) on Vaults:4 on 2014-04-15 13:29:44, with 264862 points after 62741 turns and 4:48:30. 08:31:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:31:41 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:32:03 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:53 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:34:05 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:50 ldf: what did you do to me, man!!?! :) 08:34:50 dpeg: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:35:22 only losers die on V:4 -- and you had Fire Storm 08:35:48 Maybe TSO should protect you from the things he really doesn't want you to do to others. 08:36:32 dpeg: i just learn it and die :( 08:37:23 i splatted just about the most badass caster you could have 08:37:29 don't feel so bad 08:37:40 (admittedly i just killed myself) 08:38:03 at least i have nice gkill :P 08:41:22 -!- eb_ has quit [] 08:42:25 looks like another tournament without a win :( 08:44:19 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:44:33 you could always attempt an emergency realtime speedrun streak 08:44:40 spree* 08:47:17 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:48:07 Scroll of Teleportation in Labyrinth teleported me right next to the Minotaur by Leibowitz 08:50:21 It's not a bug, it's a feature (tm) 08:50:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 08:52:11 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:54:37 dpeg: don't worry, I won't win either. not even in the upcoming junethack tournament :) 08:57:26 bhaak: but even a drugged imbecile could win Nethack! :) 08:59:46 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:26 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:51 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:45 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:33 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:13:51 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:14:05 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:19:15 dpeg: not if the drugged imbecile doesn't have enough time to play :-) 09:23:26 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:23:26 -!- Fortescue has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:24:33 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:49 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:19 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:26:22 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:37 bhaak: yes, pity that. Just one more shot! 09:31:03 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 09:32:47 -!- ckyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:26 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:18 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:35:42 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:39:12 !send dpeg storms 09:39:13 Sending storms to dpeg. 09:47:12 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:37 iron golem (108) | Spd: 7 | HD: 15 | HP: 116-151 | AC/EV: 15/3 | Dam: 35 | 11non-living, 10doors | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 805 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 09:49:37 %??iron golem 09:49:59 unknown monster: "iron golem golem chef" 09:49:59 %??iron golem hd:5 name:iron golem chef 09:50:58 thinking about food vaults 09:51:59 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:53:23 * SamB wonders if he said anything ... odd earlier 09:53:53 nope 10:01:06 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:01:35 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:02:21 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:03:32 %git g3110700 10:03:32 Could not find commit g3110700 (git returned 128) 10:03:39 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 10:04:31 %git 3110700 10:04:32 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-1384-g3110700: New title screen featuring Roxanne (Psiweapon, #7832) 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3110700ea60c 10:05:44 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:07:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:07:27 thanks elliptic 10:12:18 -!- klarki has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:13:17 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:14:32 PleasingFungus: no chefs!! 10:14:47 haha 10:14:51 is that a rule? 10:15:04 only bakers? 10:15:20 The spriggan baker is sort of sacrosanct by now. 10:15:26 haha 10:15:39 do we have the other spriggan baker or was that a dream or was that removed? 10:15:56 The spriggan chef was in a vault that was not added. 10:16:07 the one that bakes spriggans, I mean 10:16:13 Oh. 10:16:16 oh there's already a pizza shop :( 10:16:16 That's part of the same vault. 10:16:22 !send grunt_pizzeria PleasingFungus 10:16:23 Sending PleasingFungus to grunt_pizzeria. 10:16:32 # (Ideally the cashier would have a silly hat, but they can't wear hats.) 10:16:32 hmm 10:16:50 the spriggan knife is a good precedent 10:16:56 why can't they wear hats? 10:17:00 (one who knifes spriggans?) 10:17:04 dpeg: that sounds disgusting 10:17:06 their heads are too small 10:17:12 there is a spriggan baker who bakes spriggans 10:17:12 my version was going to have bread, cheese, pigs, and pizza 10:17:12 oh yeah 10:17:15 SamB: no equipment slot for it. 10:17:15 SamB: not if you're on a spriggan diet 10:17:16 see, you'd have the ingredients! 10:17:26 ah well 10:17:34 dpeg: I mean a knife made out of spriggan sounds disgusting ;-P 10:17:35 * dpeg eats sprigs for breakfast. 10:17:41 healthy! 10:18:08 PleasingFungus: SA deteriotated wonderfully yesterday! It was like it used to be!! 10:18:16 uggggggh 10:18:34 I asked them to be nice :( 10:18:35 also my spelling deteriorates rapidly 10:18:45 Your spelling is rapidly deteriorating. 10:18:46 !send dpeg potion of deterioration 10:18:46 yes, what a naive goodling you are :) 10:18:46 Sending potion of deterioration to dpeg. 10:18:50 * Grunt hands dpeg a potion of cure typing 10:19:40 !seen |amethyst 10:19:40 I last saw |amethyst at Tue Apr 15 03:28:56 2014 UTC (11h 50m 44s ago) saying 'since the latter is already in Air and all' on ##crawl-dev. 10:19:47 on an unrelated note, bouncing off a discussion on ##Crawl, why do silver statues and OCSes still exist? they're basically a binary check; either you disint them or you stay away from them 10:20:32 ogaz: since 0.2 or so you can club them do dust, too! 10:20:49 I'm aware, but good luck clubbing a OCS to death 10:21:02 I guess they're not as horrible with the removal of statdeath 10:21:46 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:21:46 ogaz: yes, stationary monsters are really problematic (but woe betide you if you dare touch my oklobs!) 10:21:53 -!- feksclaus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:22:05 !send dpeg The Oklob That Walks 10:22:05 Sending The Oklob That Walks to dpeg. 10:22:18 I had some really interesting game where a status covered the Lair entrance 10:23:01 I don't really have a problem with ice statues, archery statues, oklobs, etc; they zone you out if you're underlevelled, but you can take them down without overly nasty consequences if you set up. it's the other two that are bad 10:23:04 s/status/statue/ :O 10:23:34 ogaz: the OCS is the dungeon's only source of orange crystal! SO precious!! 10:24:23 ogaz: but yeah, those two might not survive scrutiny of the monster list. 10:24:35 when 0.15 introduces the crafting system, finding and butchering an OCS corpse will be the only way to craft orange crystal plate. 10:25:01 I'm excited already. 10:25:14 -!- Goncyn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 10:25:28 Ingredients needed: one OCS and hundred orange rat corpses. 10:25:36 Orange crystal plate: provides clarity? 10:25:55 ...could be an unrand, actually. I kind of like the idea. 10:25:59 I guess I'm on an unrand kick 10:26:02 Grunt: that, and you are the dungeon's only traffic light! 10:28:22 ...traffic lights are orange? 10:28:48 apparently in europe 10:31:08 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:32:55 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 10:34:12 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:29 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:35:28 -!- Fizybubbleh has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 10:36:41 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:37:06 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:21 -!- Zooty has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:37:31 -!- Zooty_ is now known as Zooty 10:38:17 They're orange-yellow. 10:38:52 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:40:52 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:00 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:27 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:11 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The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 14:07:34 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:34 -!- orcus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:08:35 Does someone around here use the nickname "Tatterdemalion"? 14:08:51 !seen Tatterdemalion 14:08:51 Sorry reaverb, I haven't seen tatterdemalion. 14:08:53 No 14:09:08 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09:09 !lm Tatterdemalion 14:09:10 No milestones for Tatterdemalion. 14:09:16 double no. 14:09:17 reaverb: I mean as an alternate nickname. 14:09:47 dtsund: never seen it 14:10:02 and it's a nick that'd stick 14:10:16 dtsund: Oh, Ok. I don't know why somebody would both use more than one nick but also be willing to connect the two just because somebody asked, but OK. 14:10:47 I know that it's *someone* on the DevTeam. (I suspect DracoOmega.) 14:11:13 dtsund: Where does this nick come from? 14:12:25 -!- gnum has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15:35 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:34 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:01 dpeg: nice rhyming 14:17:12 reaverb: Forum I post on 14:18:00 dtsund: Do you mind stating what forum? I just find it weird somebody would apprently make a vague referance to being a dev without giving their dev nick. 14:18:13 Talking Time. 14:18:23 http://talking-time.net/showthread.php?t=15485 14:18:51 (Warning: I say a few unkind things about the game's development in that thread, but that shouldn't be a huge surprise to people familiar with me.) 14:19:46 dtsund: dude that's ten of swords, his dev nick is literally right beneath his Talking Time nick. 14:19:58 AKA HangedMan AKA claws 14:19:59 Oh 14:20:02 DERP. 14:20:34 I guess he would have been most likely to use other nicks given how many he's used here. 14:22:56 does he still sign vaults as HangedMan? 14:24:03 SamB: IIRC 14:26:27 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:38 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:31:25 atrodo (L23 TeCj) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster swamp worm failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 14:34:42 tenofswords: Man, those knuckleheads on Talking Time, amirite? 14:34:43 :P 14:36:36 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:57 dtsund: I found your rune lock explanation to be reasonable enough. 14:37:59 Yeah, with that post I made an honest effort to report the DevTeam's reasoning exactly without coloring it with any of my own judgments on it. 14:39:45 For the record, the rune lock doesn't affect *me* very much, because I generally took those runes early anyway, but I think the enforcement should be along the lines of an expert-tier conduct 14:41:13 maybe VS should be bumped up to regen:2 for the time being 14:41:14 dtsund: someone should tell 'mogri' that a high score does not mean a win 14:41:17 re: http://talking-time.net/showpost.php?p=1754412&postcount=149 14:41:28 for slightly less embarassing adder encounters 14:41:32 PleasingFungus: Also, that's a clan. 14:41:39 Which hasn't had ANY wins. 14:41:48 yes 14:41:53 a very high-level strategy imho 14:41:58 very tech, very skill 14:42:00 wow 14:42:04 I'll tell him 14:42:08 ty 14:42:13 It's really impressive that guy managed to missunderstand three different aspects of a single chart entry. 14:42:42 to be fair, it's not unreasonable to think that a high score would mean a win 14:42:44 -!- Flarnith has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:42:58 it's wrong but it's an understandable mistake 14:43:04 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:08 PleasingFungus: Yes. 14:43:15 That is completely understandable. 14:43:17 Usually you'd expect the highscore to be held by someone who won. 14:43:20 ...just noticed the clan "godspeed you emperor scorpion" 14:43:22 goodclan 14:43:27 because winning characters score far, far higher than splatting ones 14:43:42 oh that's dpeg! 14:44:11 lift your skinny antennae 3 etc 14:44:32 that's |amethyst's clan I think 14:44:55 sounds plausible 14:45:43 PleasingFungus: good evening! 14:47:08 Speaking of antennae. 14:47:23 maybe formicids should get a +1 leather armour as gladiators 14:47:31 because they can't wear headgear 14:47:54 Bloax special cases like that have been suggested before and rejected. 14:48:03 dpeg: good afternoon! 14:48:06 :) 14:48:08 Note that this is much more of an issue on something like an octopode. 14:48:23 give opgl a +3 ring of protection 14:48:25 clearly 14:48:40 opfe gets +6 14:48:53 Gramm (L18 DrTm) ASSERT(in_bounds(source)) in 'beam.cc' at line 617 failed. (source = (0,0)) (Shoals:5) 14:50:20 what does MuSk get? 14:51:26 pain 14:51:28 and suffering 14:51:39 note that this is true for all mu-- 14:51:54 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:52:13 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:52:18 you can't pain mummies 14:52:43 however, you can still pain the player 14:54:18 -!- Cabadath has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:40 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 15:00:21 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:00:34 -!- drachereborn has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:46 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:07 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:32 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:38 -!- omnikopi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:03:39 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:03 -!- drachereborn has quit [Client Quit] 15:05:22 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:08:26 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:16:44 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:17:48 -!- GummyVite has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:18:11 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:21:48 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:23:10 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 28.0/20140319124030]] 15:24:14 -!- ogaz has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:48 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30:18 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:32:36 Vehumet does not give piety on spellforged servitor kills by ogaz 15:38:59 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:09 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:03 tenofswords: http://talking-time.net/showthread.php?p=1754533#post1754533 15:44:27 Rebuttal, of sorts. 15:45:34 -!- geekosaur is now known as allbery_b 15:45:45 -!- allbery_b is now known as geekosaur 15:46:38 -!- reaverb has left ##crawl-dev 15:46:44 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:12 * reaverb is surprised he managed to fat finger closing his ##crawl-dev window two days in a row. 15:48:40 I do it all the time when closing a browser tab; I blame whatever genius thought putting the hotkey combos for "close tab" and "close window" adjacent to one another was a good idea. 15:50:42 dtsund: No idea what IRC client you use, I use Adium, which is mac os x exclusive IIRC. 15:51:43 dtsund: in hexchat someone thought it was a good idea to have a hotkey to completely hide the menu bar 15:52:48 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:32 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:57:42 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:57 hehe, design for experts vs design for everyone else... always the same old story 15:57:59 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:22 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 16:03:18 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:04:03 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:05:03 I'm not convinced that the midgame changes are an issue of "design for experts", in this case 16:05:28 I thought that was referring to the hexchat thing 16:05:40 well 16:05:53 dts*nd's post explicitly mentioned 'design for experts' 16:05:55 PleasingFungus: They aren't necessarily, by themselves; in combination with the rune lock and the difficulty-inaccessibility of Depths, though 16:06:01 so I assumed that was what dpeg was replying to 16:06:49 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:49 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:06:49 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:06:56 I made the same assumption 16:07:13 dtsund: the problem with the old setup was that there was a 'midgame slump' which was... pretty much a snoozefest, tbqh 16:07:58 potentially somewhat challenging for new players, but not really for anyone who'd gotten to xl14 more than once before 16:08:13 which feels really inconsistent with crawl's philosophy, and roguelikes in general; you shouldn't let players 'choose boredom' 16:08:16 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:08:34 dtsund: I don't think you can convince the people who made the rune lock decision they did it for differant reasons then they actually did, unless you have some kind of hypnosis which works on IRC. 16:08:43 I don't think that's what he's saying 16:08:55 though irc hypnosis is a very powerful technique 16:09:02 -!- GummyVite has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:09:04 PleasingFungus: yes, I was. (And I don't think either that Crawl is developed for expert players.) 16:09:51 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:09:54 With Gargoyles it might be easier to win than ever, and nobody minds. 16:09:56 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 16:10:06 well, I mind a little :) but I'm not a dev 16:10:25 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:10:33 My own approach was to try to make the early runes the path of least resistance for players wishing to play on Hard (and Hard is required to allrune) 16:10:42 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 16:11:17 dtsund's argument - if I understand it correctly - is that having to do a lair branch end (or some other rune) before vaults is too hard for anyone but advanced players, comparable in difficulty to one of the banner conducts 16:11:36 Man since Grunt posted his version of salamanders I'm tempted to put mine up...but I have two different ones I can't pick between and they are both very different and not done. 16:11:52 hai dpeg 16:11:59 You can say that but as far as I know, the Lair runes have never been intended to be delayed until they're trivial. 16:12:39 Cabadath: Generally it's better to wait until you have a proposal you're sure is awesome than to submit any number of bad ones. 16:12:39 Cabadath: Hi! Then wait! (Seriously, you have so many proposals out there, that the good ideas are just disappearing. You are writing faster than most folks can read :) 16:12:50 -!- Basil__ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:13:03 I don't remember if cabadath is bcadren 16:13:34 Personally, I find the midgame to be much more interesting than ever. In all my tournament games, I made it to Lair and Orc, but died with at most two runes. (Note: I am not an expert player.) 16:13:47 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:13:48 dpeg true; but before the rune lock; the common advice was Dungeon -> Lair -> Orc -> Vaults 1-4 -> Lair Branch...which made the branches trivial. i disagree with the order anyways Vaults 1-4 are a lot deadly than lair branches... 16:13:57 well 16:14:01 that's not quite irght 16:14:02 *right 16:14:14 you'd do the lair branches 1-4 each before doing vaults 16:14:15 I never delayed them until they're trivial myself; however, allowing players to do so provides an avenue for players to become better at the game and eventually get to the point where they don't want to 16:14:36 And at that point, you can give them a good reason to not do so 16:14:36 dtsund: yes, you can do that. It's just something that I never would want in my game. 16:14:42 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:15 This is just a disagreement on overall structure, no problem really, and certainly no big deal. Good to have a variant for this. 16:15:55 -!- Insomniak has quit [Read error: No route to host] 16:16:12 Allowing players to choose boredom isn't necessarily bad, as long as you have mechanics in place to make it very obvious that the boring choice is causing you to miss out on good stuff 16:16:32 PleasingFungus: would you mind telling people in SA that X? exists? 16:16:37 haha 16:16:41 which people? 16:16:42 hellioning? 16:16:44 So you induce players to work up the nerve to choose the exciting stuff 16:16:53 oh, srf 16:16:55 *srg 16:16:59 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 16:17:01 PleasingFungus: those who talk about forgetting level map but treat it like an ultra secret feature :) 16:17:03 I still think spider needs to be made harder...it's more annoying than the other lair branches, but it's not...as actually hard. 16:17:24 Cabadath: Objection 16:17:30 Spider is not more annoying than Shoals 16:17:36 dtsund: yes, as I said, that's definitely an approach. I prefer introducing difficulty setting in other ways (mostly species). 16:18:07 dtsund: On allowing players to choose bordem: That's a perfectly fine opnion, but it is not the one which guides Crawl development and this will not change any time soon. 16:18:18 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:18:42 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:54 (My Shoals fix in CL was to make tides only alternate between land and shallow water, increase the tide speed by a couple orders of magnitude, and give merfolk the old-style attack bonus against floundering players) 16:19:09 <|amethyst> reaverb: well, if you're not a good player, the "canonical" order isn't necessarily boring 16:19:11 dpeg: secret confession: I never actually knew that hotkey 16:19:17 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:19:28 I've seen people do it while spectating 16:19:31 but didn't know how to do it myself 16:19:32 (So if you're not careful, a fight can suddenly turn ugly, especially since tides can actually outrun you) 16:19:54 I'm not sure that 'being in water' needs to be made more lethal 16:19:57 dtsund: interesting! 16:20:00 it's already very bad 16:20:08 PleasingFungus: I think the goal is to make the tide matter. 16:20:17 Plus, it means autoexplore and autotravel actually work painlessly in the branch 16:20:18 to make the tide matter, remove flight 16:20:44 though I do like the idea of tactical tides 16:20:47 Oh, I'd like to remove flight too, for unrelated reasons 16:20:51 haha 16:21:06 dtsund: as spell/item, or also for species? 16:21:15 the current strategic-scale tides are... pretty, but mainly just an annoyance in various ways 16:21:17 I might keep it around as a perk for one species 16:21:18 I can certainly see the former. 16:21:24 drowning items, blocking movement, fucking with autoexplore/travel 16:21:42 |amethyst: Hmm. 16:22:00 <|amethyst> reaverb: though the question is then, why would good players also not do the same thing 16:22:00 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:08 But my eventual plan for species is to rework them so everything that distinguishes them can be summarized in a handful of lines in the mutation screen 16:22:11 dpeg my two versions of Salamander have the following base concepts: (1) Great at the elements and innate rF and rC and doesn't countertrain but poor AC and rN. "It's core temperature is so cold that fire cannot reach it. Being of the duality of ice and fire." (2) rHellfire, YAY and permanently in a cloud of flame...but, no scrolls (they burn up if you even walk over them); have to use permanent MP to remove curses. 16:22:13 <|amethyst> reaverb: which I think dtsund is addressing with the difficulty system 16:22:17 We should dedicate some version (like 0.18) to "take from Crawl Light what we can" :) 16:22:23 Hah! 16:22:26 <|amethyst> reaverb: and the fact that you can't all-rune on low difficulty 16:22:48 |amethyst: Yes, I understand that. I've looked at Crawl Light's difficulty system (and like it) 16:22:48 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:23:37 On Easy, you can get at most six runes; on Normal, eleven, and on Hard, all 15 16:23:47 -!- Stendarr has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:23:57 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:24:02 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:04 I think that players are spoiled. They should be happy to die in Lair (or wherever they usually get stuck.) 16:24:15 <|amethyst> Cabadath: cold-based salamanders seem kind of strange 16:24:27 Napkin: awesome forum handling, many thanks 16:24:31 <|amethyst> Cabadath: mythologically speaking I mean 16:24:53 |amethyst: I do think the rune lock is a good thing. I'm just pointing out dstund is basing his arguement against the rune lock by placing the duty of the game being fun to the player, which is against Crawl's philosphy (and should be, in my opinon). I don't think it's completely wrong to have a game which places the duty of fun on the player - just that such a game is no Crawl Stone Soup. 16:25:11 well said 16:25:17 Not quite, actually 16:25:21 dangit I thought we had removed fun 16:25:50 I am really baffled by people who say that crawl isn't supposed to be fun. it is. that's the whole point of making it lethally hard 16:25:58 My point is that what players think of as fun will depend on the player 16:26:00 gammafunk: we squeeze and squeeze, and there's still traces left! 16:26:19 And also on the level of experience 16:26:27 the current crawl development philosophy for catering to different difficulty levels/player types is heavily based on race selection 16:26:33 dtsund: but isn't that moving responsibility from you (developer) to them (players)? 16:26:34 which I think could be documented and codified a little better... 16:26:49 well, a lot better 16:26:51 PleasingFungus: the point is that "fun" is a completely useless concept in design 16:27:03 I will accept that 16:27:15 well. sort of. 16:27:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:27:32 Not as such; it means my responsibility is to keep providing reasons to take the hard/fun option, rather than outright enforcing it 16:27:46 In the extreme end, it leads to Nethack's standard reply: "If you don't like [Elbereth|polypiling|whatever], then don't do it." I believe we designers should really try to avoid that. 16:27:51 Like "don't you want to see what Pandemonium is like" 16:27:52 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:58 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:11 PleasingFungus: give us a manual text and we'll use it! 16:28:16 -!- elliptic has left ##crawl-dev 16:28:22 -!- Basil is now known as Guest55558 16:28:57 dtsund: I am not saying you're doing it wrong. Just pointing out that catering to all kinds of notions of fun can lead in desaster. 16:29:08 dpeg: Part of the reason NetHack remains popular is that the game really does provide avenues for players to continually push themselves further while still accomodating beginners (well, after a fashion; definite room for improvement) 16:29:23 I disagree :) 16:29:23 I think the white whale of the ten conduct game remains uncaught 16:29:31 But not for lack of trying 16:29:31 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:30:15 |amethyst actually the original myth of the salamander was that they were so cold they could live in fire without being burned. (because they came from fire: [were living in rotten wood and came out when we let it on fire to heat or homes.] and were cold to the touch (wet slimy, cold blooded thing) 16:30:25 The game has serious issues, of course 16:31:19 -!- blabber has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:50 my favorite mythological substance is "salamander hair" 16:32:07 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:08 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 16:32:08 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:09 impervious to fire! wardrobe of royalty! 16:32:12 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0/20131216183647]] 16:32:15 also, actually asbestos! 16:32:27 <|amethyst> Cabadath: I guess that's true; it's not all Paracelsus 16:33:01 I think the white whale of the ten conduct game remains uncaught 16:33:06 that might be because nethack only has nine conducts 16:33:52 by the usual count it has twelve http://alt.org/nethack/mostconducts.html 16:34:23 oh, that page counts foodless/vegan/vegetarian as multiple conducts 16:34:26 <|amethyst> yeah 16:34:33 <|amethyst> those are a scale 16:34:37 yeah 16:34:40 <|amethyst> s/are/are actually/ 16:34:48 I was going by the game (where they are expressed in one line) 16:35:04 same for wishless/artifact wishless 16:35:12 which is a useful thing to do because then a "9-conduct game" wouldnt imply getting the hardest one of each group 16:35:39 of course, if you DO count those as more than 9 conducts, then the white whale of a 10-conduct game has indeed been caught, several times, and in fact so has the 11-conduct one :P 16:35:52 I was going by vague memory 16:36:05 no recorded 12-conduct game though! 16:36:36 dpeg: thanks :) glad he accepted and didn't push it more. 16:37:17 -!- orcus has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:37:30 yes, all's well 16:37:33 minmay wut/ 16:37:56 Anyways would either of those be playable? 16:38:27 what's the missing nethack conducts (ones where 11-conduct games with all others have happened) besides illiterate? 16:39:41 reaverb: some are missing pacifist, the pacifist one is missing illiterate 16:39:53 gammafunk: Ah, Ok. 16:39:55 thanks. 16:40:26 minmay: there's one, using a stupid trick 16:40:34 yes 16:40:45 i.e. preparing a bones file full of everything you need to win 16:40:48 yes 16:40:54 the 12 conduct was bones stuffed 16:41:12 is it impossible to do a non-bones 12-conduct game? 16:41:32 or I should say, is it impossible without any form of "cheating"? 16:41:38 tjr got several to castle 16:41:55 im not sure what happened after that 16:42:00 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:08 and idk any other attempts in the last... few years 16:42:24 gammafunk: I see no reason why it would not be possible, even without bone stuffing. However, it would be very hard and random. 16:42:35 -!- Guest55558 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:43:36 this "infamous" game http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/h/hir/dumplog/1315078546.nh343.txt 16:43:45 well, I guess my question is what makes it so difficult in particular, but that's really a question for the nethack irc channel 16:43:49 i should watch that ttyrec 16:44:02 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:04 gammafunk: http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Tjr/12-conduct_ascension an interesting read 16:44:10 yes 16:44:12 though i'm not sure how readable it is if you don't know about nethack a priori 16:44:35 One thing is that some conducts interact with each other in nontrivial ways 16:44:35 Speaking of interesting nethack reads, does anybody have a full version of those guys who hacked nethack's rng? 16:44:39 basically you have to be really really lucky, and then still it's hard 16:44:44 well I've beaten nethack a few times; I probably knew this at one point 16:44:56 reaverb: http://taeb-nethack.blogspot.be/2009/03/predicting-and-controlling-nethacks.html 16:44:59 For instance, foodless and atheist 16:45:07 noodl: Thanks. 16:45:09 http://alt.org/nethack/player-all.php?player=WowDeath so good 16:45:27 If you're atheist and not foodless, you can get resistances by eating the appropriate corpses 16:45:41 If you're foodless but not atheist, you can get resistances by being crowned 16:46:11 If you're foodless *and* atheist... well, you're going to have extrinsic resistances only. 16:46:18 noodl: Wait, that wasn't what I was talking about. There's one where the authors got through a complete game, doing things like making a ton of negative gold by polymorphing into a stone golem and charming a monster, than clearly the castle to restore their piety. 16:46:20 This discussion does not indicate to me the superiority of Nethack's fun & difficulty model :) 16:46:43 I wasn't arguing for it here 16:47:21 ohh. that's the tas 16:47:46 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:59 https://gitorious.org/nethack-tas-tools/mainline/source/b12f8584e3411cc2ab47fbceca69619c63b2cbb1:turnbyturn.txt reaverb 16:48:01 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:48:13 warning: almost literally a novella about nethack 16:48:49 nooodl: That file just stops at Turn 823... 16:48:59 Is ther a version which continues? 16:49:03 The TAS isn't finished. 16:49:11 ais523's been busy with other stuff. 16:49:33 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:49:46 dtsund: Hmm, is it being worked on? I think it just stoppd last time I read it too. 16:49:50 apparently there's been recentish activity 16:49:58 Not presently, IIRC 16:50:02 but development is generally really slow... 16:50:23 Currently, ais523 wants to get a version of NetHack 4 stable enough for general use out in time for the Junethack tournament 16:51:04 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:53:38 dpeg ...or actually everyone... email. I just was responding directly to dpeg 16:54:43 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 16:55:31 Cabadath: on Twisted Resurrection? 16:55:35 yea 16:55:45 just got it, thanks 16:59:30 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:31 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:00:40 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 17:01:25 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:48 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:40 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:03:26 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:03:51 -!- CatPlusPlus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:06:17 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-155-g2613b33 (34) 17:07:00 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:07:19 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:10:52 -!- omnikopi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:12:12 good/bad? 17:12:50 no time to read yet 17:14:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:20:36 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:12 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:39 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:24:40 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:23 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:27:29 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:34:52 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:40 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:40:13 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:41:51 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Quit: BREAK] 17:44:18 -!- ogaz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48:15 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:15 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 17:48:15 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:19 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:53 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:50:54 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 17:53:14 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:53:18 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:53:19 -!- ckyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:44 -!- mk83 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:01:48 -!- Zeia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:03:38 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:03:40 !lg . -tv 18:03:41 717. Bloax, XL15 VSTm, T:10867 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 18:04:08 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:04:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:05:24 I like how I have 16 mp and 34 hp just as I die. 18:05:28 to 36 damage 18:06:18 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:08:33 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:11:08 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:11:51 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12:59 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:13:04 heug dmg 18:15:10 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:52 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:16:32 I think Both Invo and Evo should use some INT; so it's less likely to make a character with no use for that stat at all. 18:17:09 Int should not be the stat of having non melee abilities. 18:17:24 I've heard more sensibile suggestions to use Dex for Evo. 18:17:32 from mumra, for instance. 18:17:34 ...oh right, gammafunk is here; that reminds me I had something I wanted to do. 18:17:38 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:18:51 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-156-g25fd16a: Sneak a monster tile into UNUSED/ (gammafunk). 10(73 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25fd16a8d8cc 18:19:55 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 18:22:17 -!- whiterider has quit [Quit: This user has gone to sleep.] 18:24:54 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 18:24:56 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:28:42 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:02 ??zin wrath 18:30:02 zin wrath[1/1]: No effect unless worshipping an evil or chaotic god. Recite (either sleep, confusion or paralysis), removes all good mutations, makes you hungry or makes noise. 18:33:03 yesssss 18:33:18 man, todo 18:33:59 !learn edit gammafunk[1] s/$/, splash art of a felid jumping over a shark to escape from grunt's qbert snake 18:33:59 ERROR: New text exceeds the maximum length of 350 18:33:59 -!- Ryansee has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:34:02 wut 18:34:10 !learn edit brogue[1] s/2/3/ 18:34:11 brogue[1/5]: Brogue is now v1.7.3! https://sites.google.com/site/broguegame/ 18:34:18 !learn add gammafunk todo: splash art of a felid jumping over a shark to escape from grunt's qbert snake 18:34:18 gammafunk[3/3]: todo: splash art of a felid jumping over a shark to escape from grunt's qbert snake 18:34:57 gammafunk: So Sequell is forcing you to actually get your todo list stuff done? 18:35:20 I'm not contrained by Sequell!!! 18:35:25 er 18:35:33 s/contrained/constrained/ 18:35:50 !next 18:35:51 The RNG decrees that gammafunk shall win HE-- next. 18:35:59 :| 18:36:04 besides, that's what Sequell wants me to do next 18:36:17 !next 18:36:18 The RNG decrees that reaverb shall win KoTm next. 18:36:41 good combo 18:36:48 !apt Ko 18:36:48 Ko: Fighting: 1, Short: 3!, Long: -2, Axes: -1, Maces: 0, Polearms: -2, Staves: -1, Slings: 2, Bows: -1, Xbows: 2!, Throw: 3!, Armour: -2, Dodge: 2, Stealth: 4, Shields: -2, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: -1, Hexes: 0, Charms: -2, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: -1, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 3, Exp: 1!, HP: -2, MP: 0 18:36:59 How does it do the consistnacey thing agian? 18:37:15 ??~reaverb_next 18:37:15 ~reaverb next[1/1]: KoTm 18:37:23 saves it in that entry 18:37:33 (which you can delete) 18:37:37 !learn del ~reaverb_next 18:37:37 Deleted ~reaverb next[1/1]: KoTm 18:37:39 !next 18:37:45 The RNG decrees that reaverb shall win OpGl next. 18:37:54 -!- alefury has quit [] 18:38:02 you can set preferences also 18:38:08 ??~gammafunk_pref 18:38:08 ~gammafunk pref[1/1]: HE-- class=ie 18:38:08 !learn del ~reaverb_next 18:38:09 Deleted ~reaverb next[1/1]: OpGl 18:38:22 !learn add ~reaverb_next KoTm 18:38:22 ~reaverb next[1/1]: KoTm 18:38:26 !next 18:38:27 The RNG decrees that reaverb shall win KoTm next. 18:38:33 hrm 18:38:52 gammafunk: Yes, that !learn add could be used for pranking. 18:39:00 !learn edit ~reaverb_next[1] s/KoTm/tic tac toe/ 18:39:01 ~reaverb next[1/1]: tic tac toe 18:39:06 !next 18:39:07 !next reaverb 18:39:07 Subcommand $(!lg reaverb char=tic tac toe won fmt:"x") failed: No keyword 'tac' in $(= x $(!lg ${n} char=${c} w... in $(has_won ${p} $(entry ~${p}... in $(if $(has_won ${p} $(entry ... in $(concat $(if $(has_won ${p}... in $(do $(if $(= 0 $(entrylengt... in $(if $(= ${c} XXXX) Get your... in $(if $(= ${channel} msg) Thi... in $(no_pm $(let (p ${1:-${user... 18:39:08 Subcommand $(!lg reaverb char=tic tac toe won fmt:"x") failed: No keyword 'tac' in $(= x $(!lg ${n} char=${c} w... in $(has_won ${p} $(entry ~${p}... in $(if $(has_won ${p} $(entry ... in $(concat $(if $(has_won ${p}... in $(do $(if $(= 0 $(entrylengt... in $(if $(= ${c} XXXX) Get your... in $(if $(= ${channel} msg) Thi... in $(no_pm $(let (p ${1:-${user... 18:39:10 hehe 18:39:24 ok, so maybe no space 18:39:31 !learn edit ~gammafunk_next s/.*/everything/ 18:39:32 ~gammafunk next[1/1]: everything 18:39:34 !next gammafunk 18:39:35 The RNG decrees that gammafunk shall win everything next. 18:39:58 !learn del ~gammafunk_next 18:39:58 Deleted ~gammafunk next[1/1]: everything 18:40:00 !next 18:40:02 rip 18:40:02 rip 18:40:04 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:05 The RNG decrees that gammafunk shall win (playable next. 18:40:08 what 18:40:11 o_O 18:40:12 !learn del ~gammafunk_next 18:40:13 Deleted ~gammafunk next[1/1]: (playable 18:40:15 !next 18:40:20 The RNG decrees that gammafunk shall win class=ie). next. 18:40:24 ... 18:40:25 !learn del ~gammafunk_next 18:40:25 Deleted ~gammafunk next[1/1]: class=ie). 18:40:27 !next 18:40:29 gammafunk: For your pref? 18:40:32 The RNG decrees that gammafunk shall win HE-- next. 18:40:34 phew 18:40:38 !next 18:40:39 Subcommand $(!lg reaverb char=tic tac toe won fmt:"x") failed: No keyword 'tac' in $(= x $(!lg ${n} char=${c} w... in $(has_won ${p} $(entry ~${p}... in $(if $(has_won ${p} $(entry ... in $(concat $(if $(has_won ${p}... in $(do $(if $(= 0 $(entrylengt... in $(if $(= ${c} XXXX) Get your... in $(if $(= ${channel} msg) Thi... in $(no_pm $(let (p ${1:-${user... 18:40:40 all is well 18:40:45 !learn del ~reaverb_next 18:40:45 Deleted ~reaverb next[1/1]: tic tac toe 18:40:51 !learn add ~reaverb_next KoTm 18:40:52 ~reaverb next[1/1]: KoTm 18:41:10 !learn edit ~gammafunk_pref s/class=ie/role=ie/ 18:41:10 ~gammafunk pref[1/1]: HE-- role=ie 18:41:16 !learn del ~gammafunk_next 18:41:16 Deleted ~gammafunk next[1/1]: HE-- 18:41:18 !next gammafunk 18:41:23 The RNG decrees that gammafunk shall win games next. 18:41:38 !next-cheat gammafunk 18:41:44 The RNG decrees that Grunt shall win CeAs next. gammafunk 18:41:50 haha 18:41:54 ...what 18:42:14 !learn del ~gammafunk_next 18:42:14 Deleted ~gammafunk next[1/1]: games 18:42:23 !learn del ~grunt_next 18:42:23 Deleted ~Grunt next[1/1]: CeAs 18:42:33 !learn add ~gammafunk_next "All of HE" 18:42:33 ~gammafunk next[1/1]: "All of HE" 18:42:36 !learn add ~Grunt_pref the_world 18:42:36 ~Grunt pref[1/1]: the_world 18:42:38 !next 18:42:39 The RNG decrees that gammafunk shall win "All of HE" next. 18:42:39 !next 18:42:41 Subcommand $(!lg * playable the_world s=char / won @Grunt fmt:"${.}" join:" " ?:N=0) failed: No keyword 'the_world' in $(split $(!lg * playable $... in $(nth $(rand $(length ${xs})... in $(randnth $(split $(!lg * ... in $(rand_unwon ${p} $(try $(en... in $(ldb-set! ~${p}_next 1 $(ra... in $(do $(ldb-set! ~${p}_next 1... in $(apply do $(concat ${args} ... in $(ignore $(ldb-set! ~${p}_ne... in $... 18:42:43 sweet 18:42:44 rip 18:43:21 It just occured to me Sequell commands are in Perl. 18:43:30 (I think) 18:43:35 no, they can be any script 18:43:47 gammafunk: Ah, so you could put Python on there? 18:43:48 they're just "unix commands" 18:43:52 yep 18:43:55 some are in python 18:44:14 gammafunk: That sounds dangerous. Somebody making a command which deletes the entire learndb. 18:44:15 !learn edit ~gammafunk_next[1] s/"All of HE"/"The HE species score using HEIE"/ 18:44:15 ~gammafunk next[1/1]: "The HE species score using HEIE" 18:44:39 trust me, if you look at how Sequell works, you will see many strange things 18:44:46 reaverb: user commands are in sequellese 18:44:48 but it's a pretty darn cool bot 18:44:51 not in perl or anything 18:45:09 sequell itself uses perl, ruby, python, sql, and maybe other stuff 18:45:20 well, I mean the "commands" in the command dir 18:45:27 which exists as standalone executables 18:45:31 usually shell scripts 18:45:41 and then there are user-defined commands you create in irc 18:45:51 elliptic: Yeah, gammafunk nailed the confusion here over user commands and in build commands. 18:46:14 elliptic: Thanks for explaining it's a custom scripting language, though. 18:46:16 but yeah I shouldn't have brought those up, since we were talking about next 18:46:27 which is a user-defined command in sequellese 18:46:40 !learn add ~grunt_next the world 18:46:41 ~Grunt next[2/2]: the world 18:46:47 !learn dell ~grunt_next[1] 18:46:47 I don't know about !learn dell. 18:46:51 !learn del ~grunt_next[1] 18:46:51 Deleted ~Grunt next[1/2]: VSAs 18:47:02 !next 18:47:03 Subcommand $(!lg Grunt char=the world won fmt:"x") failed: No keyword 'world' in $(= x $(!lg ${n} char=${c} w... in $(has_won ${p} $(entry ~${p}... in $(if $(has_won ${p} $(entry ... in $(concat $(if $(has_won ${p}... in $(do $(if $(= 0 $(entrylengt... in $(if $(= ${c} XXXX) Get your... in $(if $(= ${channel} msg) Thi... in $(no_pm $(let (p ${1:-${user... 18:47:10 rip 18:47:22 gammafunk: Next in-built Sequell command: A command which lets you edit the source code like the learndb! 18:47:30 haha 18:47:41 that would be amusing indeed 18:47:42 Perfect for fixing the those pesky one char bugs! 18:48:01 reaverb: actually, the source command is a perl script that literally searches the entire source tree 18:48:13 !cmd source 18:48:13 No command source 18:48:19 !cmd !source 18:48:20 Built-in: !source => https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/commands/source.pl 18:48:23 yeah that 18:49:20 I recently modified it to link to the version of the git source hosted on szo 18:49:44 it should use TAGS to do the search, yet another unfulfilled todo item I'm afraid 18:50:41 -!- ebarrett has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:43 -!- brainwrinkle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:51:55 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:03 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: early sleep!] 18:53:56 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:54:01 gammafunk: Does everybody w/Cralw commit access have Sequell commit access or did ypu have to ask somebody else to get it? 18:54:28 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:54:47 reaverb: green.s.nark has it, and you can usually find him on ##crawl-sequell 18:54:55 I've only merged one commit 18:55:10 gammafunk: Ok. 18:55:12 but he had me just make a repo on github and do a merge request to his dcss_sequell repo 18:55:18 and he merged it promptly 18:55:36 Sometimes a wonder how much use nick summoning is given the efforts some people go to avoid it. 18:55:55 ontoclasm: do you still have the glowing versions of weapons I did a while ago? 18:56:35 yeah it's a bit silly I guess, but i'm following convention 19:00:18 -!- brainwrinkle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:00:44 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:01:36 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:02 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:32 idea: Slime Temple: Random chance that the temple has slime walls, a few basic jellies and a jiyva altar 'eating' one corner. 19:07:15 Cabadath: A) No mons in Temple IIRC, jellies are pretty harsh B) If you want it to be in the game, you should make it yourself. It isn't hard. Check out the vault synthax section of the dev wiki 19:07:35 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:10:03 Bloax: don't think so 19:10:03 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:10:07 !messages 19:10:07 (1/1) Grunt said (18h 7m 27s ago): hi 19:10:30 ...no fun unless you check those messages right away :( 19:10:36 well either way it'd be nice if branded weapons (specifically the short/long blades) had a blue tint on their blade 19:10:50 what about tapue 19:10:52 because even i with my overpowered color vision have trouble discerning the normal and branded ones 19:11:00 taupe I mean 19:11:04 ...hey Bloax, we could use an unborn tile that doesn't look like a dwarf. 19:11:33 yeah, it'd be nice to be consistent about the colors 19:11:35 oh, does their description not reference dwarfness at all? 19:11:42 They're not dwarves anymore! 19:11:48 normal are grey, runed are blue, artifacts are... 19:11:51 i guess yellow? 19:11:56 well what are they, exactly 19:11:57 right now they're "whatever" 19:12:00 let me read the descript, I guess 19:12:50 A devotee of Yredelemnul that has committed to eternal worship and servitude — 19:12:53 even beyond death. 19:12:53 hrm, do they really need to exist, I wonder 19:13:33 It's an interesting spell set IMO; they're just rare. 19:14:12 Do they spawn in the Crypt? I thought they already did. 19:14:13 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:28 I wonder if you could just give revenants a spell set with this 19:14:37 -!- Basil is now known as Guest18053 19:14:42 revenant (10L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 64-95 | AC/EV: 8/12 | Dam: 26 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1926 | Sp: ghostly fireball (3d23), ghostly flames, dispel undead (3d27), 04esc:blink away | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 19:14:42 %??revenant 19:15:18 unborn (07L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 61-90 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 17 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(117), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1169 | Sp: agony, dispel undead (3d19), injury mirror, animate dead, haunt | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 19:15:18 %??unborn 19:15:47 about the only thing that's particularly yred themed about them is pain mirror 19:16:17 Yes, combining those two monsters seems fine. 19:16:30 gammafunk: You could easily make revenants Yred themed. 19:16:39 Like all of them, not just those w/unborn spellset. 19:16:58 yes, although we shouldn't ever gift them I think 19:17:03 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:17:09 well, especially not if they can ever have haunt 19:18:22 gammafunk: Does Yred give either of those monster currently? I don't think he does. 19:18:34 no he doesn't, I'm just sayign that pre-emptively 19:18:40 if they're to become specifically yred themed 19:18:44 -!- Reign_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:18:45 Yredelemnul scowls at your pronouns. 19:18:59 yred: totally a bro 19:19:00 not sure that giving one monster those two totally unrelated spell sets improves anything much 19:19:01 ontoclasm: artifacts are decorated 19:19:06 like dwarven shit 19:19:15 MarvinPA: do you think unborn should stay as they are? 19:19:19 * reaverb scowls wonder what other pronoun one could possibly use. 19:19:33 and they're not totally unrelated, obviously, since they overlap 19:19:44 It? Ve? s/he? Vit? 19:20:02 one is the conjurer, the other more a summoner (or just necromancer) 19:20:03 well one of them is "pain mirror" and the other is "ghostly flame" 19:20:09 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:20:14 -!- bencryption has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:20 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:38 yes, but haunt is a summon, and ghostly flames a kind of summon 19:20:39 Also, this would probably be a buff to the unborn version, since they have differant HDs. 19:20:55 I'm not sure what dictates when to use spell sets or not anyhow 19:20:57 Maybe not a buff if revennants didn't have MR(IMMUNE) ??? 19:22:04 i wanna use the giant amoeba tile for something 19:22:06 hm 19:22:12 it is a lovely tile 19:22:18 having 2 monsters that do 1 thing each seems a bit better than have one monster with two totally different ~gimmicks~, i think 19:22:29 ~*~*~gimmicks~*~*~ 19:22:59 spell sets seem better for simpler stuff like necromancers/hell knights etc 19:23:27 amoebas, polymoths, and lamia 19:23:51 polyamoebia 19:24:00 yes 19:24:07 jelly that has polymorph melee 19:24:16 and mesmerise and IOOD? 19:24:20 mmm 19:24:26 and ridiculous HP? 19:24:26 and is edible 19:24:35 hrm, well unborn don't make a lot of sense to me, and we have an awful lot of monsters in crypt with haunt already 19:24:45 ...we do? 19:24:49 we do! 19:24:50 I thought it was just ancient champions. 19:24:54 vampire mages 19:24:54 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night!] 19:24:59 curse skulls 19:25:08 neither of those haunt 19:25:08 they don't have haunt 19:25:13 vampire mage (06V) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 15, 1505(vampiric) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 855 | Sp: b.draining (3d18), sum.undead, invisibility, vampiric draining, animate dead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 19:25:13 %??vampire_mage 19:25:14 they have summon undead 19:25:14 i... have this urge to bring back the old mummy tiles 19:25:17 curse skull (11z) | Spd: 10 (move: 70%) | HD: 13 | HP: 55 | AC/EV: 25/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1257 | Sp: sum.undead, s.torment | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 19:25:17 %??curse skull 19:25:20 oh, right 19:25:23 heavily modified probably 19:25:24 what was the difference again? 19:25:30 dang 19:25:33 end result seems very similar 19:25:51 don't you actually play summoners, unlike most of us? :P 19:25:58 haunt summons around a single target 19:26:00 haunt is Ws targeted on you 19:26:03 I don't play a lot of them 19:26:05 as a monster 19:26:10 summon undead summons around the summoner (and summons different stuff) 19:26:11 I have yet to try that in fact 19:26:12 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 19:26:33 case SPELL_SUMMON_UNDEAD: // summon undead around player 19:26:33 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:56 ...actually I think that comment is outdated! 19:26:58 goodcomments 19:27:00 good comment 19:27:09 It appears twice even! 19:27:12 alright, well it's just that summoning undead (in the generic sense) is a thing that's properly overrepresented in crypt 19:27:14 gammafunk: A use for !sourcequickedit. 19:27:27 s/properly/probably/ 19:27:40 gammafunk: Correcting good comments. 19:27:41 And yeah, it does summon near the monster and not the player. 19:27:47 s/undead// 19:27:51 s/in the crypt// 19:27:59 Should I make a patch like with the box_level bug? 19:28:00 ontoclasm: dang 19:28:15 :J 19:28:21 I certainly here complaints about this aspect of crypt from players pretty frequently, anyhow 19:28:28 regexes are the smuggest for mof communication 19:28:39 Maybe the Crypt could use a reflavoring. 19:29:04 Like maybe it's an amusment park that used undead just for cheap labor. Then we could add living clown enemeis like Killer Klowns and such. 19:29:16 ... 19:29:21 i haven't noticed undead summoning being particulary excessive in crypt other than from curse skulls 19:29:40 particularly* 19:29:52 well there are certainly different tolerance levels for it 19:30:05 perhaps it doesn't help that tomb is also lots more of that 19:30:11 (curse skulls, the real excess of Crypt) 19:31:43 I dunno, there's not much excess on a curse skull; it's just the skull grunt, not even meat, skin, or the other bones 19:31:46 sheesh 19:32:00 I think curse skulls and revenants are the main things players complain about in crypt 19:33:22 hrm, now that I think about it, I think my gripe about a lot of undead summoning in crypt is that they're summoning monsters you're already fighting a lot in crypt 19:33:31 in elf/tomb it's not the case 19:33:59 -!- Guest18053 is now known as Basil 19:33:59 but that's no easy thing to change, and I guess it's not that important 19:35:18 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:35:58 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:06 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:36:28 !lg . -tv 19:36:29 722. Bloax, XL11 TrTm, T:4254 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 19:36:31 how's that splat 19:37:03 boo, didn't even catch the best part 19:38:46 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:39:19 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:40:16 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:42:40 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:43:13 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: computer sleeping] 19:44:49 pacified natasha respawns on the level after taking a staircase by ToastyP 19:47:57 good bug 19:48:51 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:31 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:56:43 -!- Xenobreeder__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:56:51 crate: neutral bug. 19:58:15 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:01:14 -!- lord_dongkey is now known as lorddongkey 20:06:13 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:48 -!- tarantoga has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client :D] 20:07:26 -!- moonprincess has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:10:10 -!- zencephalon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:11:50 -!- indspenceable has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:12:10 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:20 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:18 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:15:56 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:47 -!- sinusoidal has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 20:19:40 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:24:26 -!- eb has quit [Quit: I quit] 20:25:08 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: bye!] 20:25:15 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:46 -!- Feles has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:26:36 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 20:26:49 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:28:53 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:56 zzz 20:31:08 -!- indspenceable has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:31:39 -!- indspenceable has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:18 -!- lorddongkey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:38:25 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:41:33 -!- Ciph has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:42:29 -!- indspenceable has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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