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Xom thinks this is hilarious. 00:01:24 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:30 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-b1-53-g2410da2 00:02:46 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:44 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-98-g0c58811 (34) 00:05:17 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:06:14 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:09:18 -!- Rotatelljr is now known as johnstein 00:17:37 -!- nrook has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:53 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:45 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:25:23 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 00:36:01 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 00:36:47 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:37:48 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:38:31 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:40:21 -!- rast has quit [Read error: 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seconds] 01:20:31 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:22:10 huh 01:22:19 there's code for equipping wyrmbane while in dragon form 01:22:58 -!- Rotatelljr is now known as johnstein 01:24:14 also for dying to iy 01:24:17 it 01:24:23 yes but that's funnier 01:24:40 I guess you could equip wyrmbane while in dragon form if you had access to 01:24:48 the rare 'dragon with hands' form 01:24:57 very exclusive. very powerful 01:25:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:25:26 http://www.hrwiki.org/w/images/5/5c/A_dragonman.PNG 01:25:41 i guess that's just one hand 01:25:55 really that's more of a man 01:25:56 or maybe a dragon 01:26:01 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:26:02 or maybe a DRAGON-MAN 01:26:09 but still TROGDOR 01:26:14 yes 01:26:21 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:26:39 anyway someone could probably remove the TRAN_DRAGON check. 01:26:56 from the... cosmetic equip message. 01:29:16 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:32:33 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qw-discovered-bug: if something invisible hits you while you are autoexploring, it doesn't turn off autopickup 02:40:24 oh, hm, it is worse than that 02:40:35 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:41:09 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:41:12 even if you stop autoexploring after that and just sit there and rest, it still doesn't turn off autopickup 02:41:36 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:42:37 or I guess maybe it doesn't even require autoexplore to get that behavior? I'm very confused 02:44:05 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:45:19 okay, I guess what is actually going on is that if you re-enable autopickup with ctrl-a, then that invis monster hitting you won't disable autopickup again 02:46:09 (it still disables autopickup if you stumble into the monster and hit it) 02:57:30 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:10:03 this behavior really makes no sense 03:10:47 does anyone understand interrupt_activity and interrupt_block and such? 03:16:20 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:21 -!- Eonwe6 has quit [Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de] 03:18:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:18:27 oh, it is caused by this you.pet_target stuff 03:24:18 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:31 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:07 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:07 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:36:13 -!- minqmay has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36:13 -!- minmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:46:27 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:53:12 03elliptic02 07* 0.15-a0-99-g3c24ef6: Fix having a you.pet_target blocking autopickup being turned off for invisible monsters hitting you (qw). 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c24ef6b9341 03:53:12 03elliptic02 07* 0.15-a0-100-gc427040: Remove a dangerous-looking block of dead code. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c427040718f3 03:53:45 A block of code. It looks extremely dangerous. 03:55:42 !tell Grunt 3c24ef6 fixes a pretty common bug (I actually noticed this in my own games too, but then qw reminded me of it) and should probably be cherry-picked, but it is late and I'm not confident that I didn't mess up something subtle 03:55:42 elliptic: OK, I'll let grunt know. 03:57:23 -!- popx has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:57:28 -!- popz_ has quit [Client Quit] 03:59:06 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 04:01:18 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:20:08 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Drowning in a sea of anguish] 04:25:01 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:29:12 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:40:52 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:41:21 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:54 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:42:47 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:54:20 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:01:23 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 05:06:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:56 !messages 05:06:57 (1/3) bh said (5d 9h 10m 36s ago): I'm sorry, I don't recall. Check the spreadsheet? I don't think it's particularly important. We have a huge corpus to draw from. 05:07:10 !messages 05:07:10 (1/2) PleasingFungus said (4d 18h 47m 1s ago): Yeah, it was an interesting discussion! To be honest, I don't know who was right - there were good points made on both sides. Maybe that's good? 05:07:15 !messages 05:07:15 (1/1) Lasty said (14h 23m 55s ago): I forgot to ask: what did you have in mind for better Iashol summon support? 05:08:11 !tell PleasingFungus It's not just good, it's great! (On SA discussion about -5 cloak of MR++.) As often as possible, the answer should be "it depends". 05:08:12 dpeg: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 05:10:48 a minimal artifact power for randarts with negative enchantments that is a function of the enchantment something something 05:18:40 Bloax: not so easy to cull really bad randarts: what if that otherwise horrible amulet is your only source of rPois, say? 05:19:10 well jewellery is an entirely different can of worms than armour randarts 05:19:58 it would be good to just not create meaningless randarts, I agree -- no idea how to sensibly go about this 05:30:51 -!- TRPGer is now known as ciph 05:36:54 -!- Bamboomancer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:42:36 -!- ciph has quit [Quit: »¶Ó­TRPGerÏÂÔØmIRC for TRPGÌرð(²âÊÔ)°æ~ÇëÊäÈë!get mirc,ÀÏÓû§Éý¼¶°üÇë!get mircupdate] 05:49:14 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:58:43 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:10:45 -!- []J has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:17:27 -!- Lasty has joined 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into stone_soup-0.14 10:48:55 -!- Mattias has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:27 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 10:51:23 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 10:52:53 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:55 -!- NeremWo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59:38 -!- arkive has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:04:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 11:04:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:05:03 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-b1-56-gbadd701 11:14:45 Grunt: fix vinestalkers 11:14:49 >:c 11:15:51 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8332 11:19:03 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 11:21:02 -!- MaxFrosty is now known as MaxFrost 11:22:18 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:26:09 -!- rakan has quit [Client Quit] 11:27:57 Cherry-picked 1 commit into master 11:27:57 03Grunt02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14.0: Touch changelog with release date. 10(42 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=319925deedf8 11:28:08 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:48 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14.0-0-g319925d 11:30:25 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:43 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14.0-0-g319925d 11:32:16 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:19 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14.0-0-g319925d 11:36:25 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14.0-0-g319925d 11:39:39 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:40:42 \o/ 11:41:15 ...wait until I'm done uploading all of the builds and making announcements before you celebrate! :) 11:41:28 I trust you. 11:41:42 (not "building", "uploading"! :b) 11:41:50 Grunt: >:c 11:45:02 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz. 123456890] 11:45:31 woot! 11:45:44 * Grunt releases the confetti and streamers. 11:45:59 All systems ready to go! On release day!! This has never happened before!!! The standards, they are ever-increasing :) 11:46:03 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:18 congrats! but will there be any european servers with 0.14 console during tourney? 11:47:29 ldf: clan already has 0.14 running! 11:47:39 (And you can certainly play on console there.) 11:47:47 i can't run it on console :( 11:47:53 Why not? 11:48:13 like, there are just 0.13 and trunk 11:48:20 in the console menu 11:48:37 Are you connected to cdo or to clan? 11:48:41 clan 11:48:44 I certainly see 0.14 in the clan console menu... 11:48:53 Logged in as: elliptic (admin) 11:48:54 W) Watch games in progress 11:48:54 T) Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup Trunk 11:48:54 4) Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.14 11:48:54 3) Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.13 11:48:56 2) Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.12 11:48:56 (and 0.13, and 0.12, and 0.11, and 0.10) 11:48:59 <|amethyst> oh 11:49:00 1) Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.11 11:49:02 0) Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.10 11:49:04 c) Change password e) Change email address 11:49:06 Q)uit or P)lay or S)print or Z)otDef in Crawl Trunk now 11:49:10 erm 11:49:25 <|amethyst> yeah 11:49:41 oh, is this IRC players crawl? I love this game 11:49:45 *plays 11:50:03 ldf: CDO will run 0.14 console 11:50:17 probably i'm doing something wrong 11:50:23 <|amethyst> ldf: you can press 4 anyway 11:50:25 <|amethyst> ldf: you're not 11:50:33 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 you updated the main_admin menu but not main_user 11:50:34 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 11:50:46 haha 11:50:48 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 So most users don't see 0.14 listed (they can still select it though) 11:50:48 |amethyst: yes, if i press 4 it runs! 11:50:49 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 11:50:50 Good bug. 11:51:06 it's an easter egg 11:51:23 note to self: test next time with one of my other accounts instead 11:51:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:52:00 Heh. 11:52:13 <|amethyst> half the servers are actually serving Call of Duty 11:52:19 <|amethyst> except when devs log in 11:52:44 <|amethyst> the other half are used primarily to play robotfindskitten 11:52:45 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:08 <|amethyst> as well as this thing called "webtiles", which is probably some kind of interior decorating app for spiders 11:53:09 Still need to beat that game 11:53:52 |amethyst: i told him last night, too 11:54:01 .oO { I'm a web designer } 11:54:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55:21 !tell Napkin Any chance of getting 0.14 on CDO before the tournament starts on Friday? (If not, getting 0.14 there sometime during the tournament would still be nice!) 11:55:22 elliptic: OK, I'll let napkin know. 11:56:12 Grunt: is the fact that many of the builds linked to on http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/downloads are 0.13.1 a known issue 11:56:27 elliptic: that means we don't have builds for those platforms yet :( 11:56:35 yeah 11:57:32 I guess we should probably indicate which links that applies to. 11:57:33 hrm, wind drakes a suitable replacement for vapours in cloud mage and zig sprint? 11:57:59 and I guess other sprints as well 11:58:06 ball lightnings, obviously 11:58:32 Anyway, I think we are all set for the tournament now!!! 11:58:33 \o/ 11:59:00 Well someone can tweak it later if they're unhappy with wind drakes 11:59:37 !send gammafunk trample breath 11:59:37 Sending trample breath to gammafunk. 11:59:42 Grunt: I don't think so, you don't seem to have a clan yet 11:59:48 elliptic: >_> 11:59:59 hey, neither did most devs when I last looked 12:00:10 elliptic: I don't usually play in tournaments; I prefer to tinker with things in the background and watch how players get killed in the latest version. 12:00:11 which was yesterday 12:01:02 gammafunk: yes, so "we are all set for the tournament" is clearly not true :P 12:01:25 qw has a clan, what more do we need 12:01:28 otoh, I think any team would be better off if I weren't a member 12:01:33 Grunt: Well done! Releasing is always a lot of work. 12:01:51 Well done everyone else too :) 12:01:52 yes, three cheers for our Release Master 12:02:55 and all of the other senior people that have put in so many commits 12:03:05 yeah, well done Grunt... you can relax now and watch people die :P 12:03:23 !lg * ikiller=~crusher 12:03:23 6. JChrist the Bludgeoner (L17 MiFi of Okawaru), thrown by an octopode crusher on Depths:1 (kennysheep_boxes) on 2014-04-06 19:45:53, with 187203 points after 54981 turns and 5:47:17. 12:03:30 todo: make those deadlier in 0.15 12:03:35 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:03:41 jesus, what have you done 12:03:49 confirmed athiest 12:03:57 haha 12:03:59 *atheist 12:04:00 sigh 12:04:04 octopode crusher (08x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 82-113 | AC/EV: 1/18 | Dam: 35, 1003(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(56), 12drown | XP: 1613 | Sp: throw icicle (3d23), melee | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:04:04 %??octopode crusher god:beogh 12:04:04 first release is to make people underestimate them? 12:04:11 heh 12:04:27 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-103-g69f77c6 (34) 12:06:38 Gammafunk: are you asking about vapours -> wind drakes because there's a plan to remove vapours? 12:06:41 Please say yes. 12:06:49 yes, I am removing vapours presently 12:07:15 i found a changelog bug oh no 12:07:26 cancel the release! abort! 12:07:29 gammafunk: you're the best. 12:07:34 i found a changelog vine 12:07:36 rod of shadows draws "out-of-depth spawns after 16" 12:07:40 Lasty: also, do you know about nick completion with the TAB key in most irc clients? 12:07:51 better give dungeon back its extra floor to fix it 12:07:56 as in type a few letters of a nick, hit TAB, get the rest of the name 12:07:57 I did not. 12:08:04 The more you know. 12:08:09 well now you do! very handy of course 12:08:13 yeah, thanks! 12:08:19 1learn tab the best key in ircc 12:08:21 That'll help with N325159286 12:08:22 s/cc/c/ 12:10:12 Hey, speaking of IRC, I offered to help WalkerBoh with a scripting project to import data from the IRC bots into an Excel spreadsheet. Might you have a recommendation for how to best do that? 12:10:56 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:00 i'd ask on ##crawl-sequell so the question doesn't get buried (though most people there are here too) 12:11:06 depends on what data you want, exactly 12:11:18 -!- Basil is now known as Guest97233 12:11:27 Guest97233: you can't hide, Basil 12:11:59 well, if you clone sequell then that can import all the data you want into an sql database 12:12:18 -!- Cabadath has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:26 and then presumably moving data from an sql database to an excel spreadsheet is a solved problem 12:12:34 yeah, not sure if you can get the learndb easilly, but the lg/lm data would just need to be parsed by sequell 12:12:59 by your copy of sequell, that is 12:13:13 oh, but are all those milestones public? 12:13:16 yes 12:13:23 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:14:00 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:44 When you say close sequell, does that mean clone the sequell git project? 12:15:51 s/close/clone/ 12:16:03 yes 12:16:13 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:32 -!- Akien has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:40 And then I'd want to adapt it to take commands w/o being an IRC bot 12:17:47 It's not terribly difficult to set up a copy of sequell (there's an install doc) , and ##crawl-sequell can help if you run into trouble 12:17:53 got it 12:17:54 thanks 12:18:05 right, you'd want to make some configuration changes and such 12:18:21 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:18:52 I'll poke around at that when I get a chance, and then bring it up any questions with ##crawl-sequell. Thanks. 12:21:23 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:51 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 12:27:04 curse tenofswords and his vapour usage 12:27:06 -!- Guest97233 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27:35 fr: an invisible confused enemy that throws lightning at you 12:27:52 Bloax: at least save it for after my commit 12:30:51 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:31:38 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:09 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:33:48 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-104-gd1b32bc: Make mechanical traps not drop ammo 10(86 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d1b32bca3e9e 12:33:48 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-105-g62b11cb: Remove some now-unused handling for web placement 10(85 minutes ago, 2 files, 11+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=62b11cb347c8 12:33:48 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-106-gf14b194: Adjust some trap disarming messages 10(53 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f14b194d65fc 12:33:48 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-107-g43eea48: Make skill training restrictions depend on carried instead of equipped items 10(21 minutes ago, 6 files, 23+ 153-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=43eea485f30f 12:33:48 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-108-gce85617: Changelog fixes 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce8561742cf1 12:33:48 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.14 12:34:07 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:34:31 hurrah for 0.14, time to probably break skill training 12:35:08 \o/ 12:35:33 IMO don't break anything too badly in the next 2.5 weeks ;P 12:36:53 %git stone_soup-0.14 12:36:53 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14.0-1-g07bf517: Changelog fixes 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07bf517bc3e5 12:37:10 it's mostly removing code that was already dead, luckily 12:38:10 also generally simplifies things and i'm fairly sure it's sensible 12:38:20 how come that commit shows up as the first for 0.14.0? 12:38:33 because it is the first since 0.14.0 was tagged 12:38:53 (the first in that branch) 12:38:53 ah, is that one of those soft tags or whatever they're called 12:39:46 oh, rather the tag was made before, and that happens to be the first commit after the tag 12:41:47 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:42:08 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:08 traps.cc:1526:21: warning: variable ‘apos’ set but not used [-Wunused-but-set-variable] 12:45:15 MarvinPA: related to your trap commit? 12:45:23 rip 12:45:24 oh probably 12:46:49 i keep missing warnings because cygwin now outputs [-Wredundant-decls] stuff constantly, i guess i should figure out how to make that not happen 12:48:03 heh, cloude mage is pretty silly with a lot of wind drakes 12:48:19 not to mention extremely dangerous 12:48:42 I think I'll just place less and maybe a lightning spire or something 12:48:48 The air twists around and strikes you! x27 You die... 12:49:14 just placing fewer sounds reasonable 12:51:33 -!- Cedor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:54:44 ah, the problem is it sets the random monster list 12:54:51 before that was vapour / air elemental 12:55:00 wind drake as a random monster is pretty bad though 12:55:15 unless you like getting airstriked 20 times 12:56:30 choices are: only air elementals or air elementals + insubstantial wisps, I guess 12:57:00 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:57:23 -!- thromnambular has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:00:20 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:33 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:01:54 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:06:23 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:07:07 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:06 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:13:48 -!- Lasty has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:19 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-109-g01b6a50: Fix some warnings 10(23 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=01b6a50c178d 13:14:56 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:19 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:20:10 -!- trystero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:20:48 -!- notcluei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:21:54 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:27:43 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29:21 !messages 13:29:22 (1/5) wheals said (1d 19h 40m 46s ago): zhukov on clan requests a password reset 13:29:25 !messages 13:29:25 (1/4) wheals said (1d 19h 40m 24s ago): plays under "DeltaCharlie" 13:29:27 !messages 13:29:27 (1/3) wheals said (8h 56m 38s ago): apparently you can start 0.14 games on CLAN by pressing '4' but it's not displayed there 13:29:32 !messages 13:29:32 (1/2) |amethyst said (1h 38m 55s ago): you updated the main_admin menu but not main_user 13:29:32 !messages 13:29:32 (1/1) |amethyst said (1h 38m 43s ago): So most users don't see 0.14 listed (they can still select it though) 13:29:33 !messages 13:29:33 No messages for TZer0. 13:29:47 okay, fixing. 13:30:18 !send TZer0 menus 13:30:19 Sending menus to TZer0. 13:30:54 !send release Grunt 13:30:55 Sending Grunt to release. 13:31:12 %git 0.14.0 13:31:13 07Grunt02 * 0.14.0: Touch changelog with release date. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=319925deedf8 13:31:19 !send wheals streamers and confetti 13:31:19 Sending streamers and confetti to wheals. 13:32:29 !messages 13:32:30 No messages for TZer0. 13:32:36 oh 13:33:06 -!- LemonAIDS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:33:08 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:09 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:07 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 13:37:36 !messages 13:37:37 No messages for Zannick. 13:38:03 !tell |amethyst done 13:38:03 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 13:38:07 !tell wheals done 13:38:07 TZer0: OK, I'll let wheals know. 13:38:50 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:40:18 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:41:09 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:21 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:38 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:46:11 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:46:44 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:48:02 -!- TeshiAlair has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:56:06 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:56:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:01:03 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:05 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:13:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:37 What's the rationale behind clarity not blocking fear? 14:16:11 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:16:47 03gammafunk02 07* 0.15-a0-110-gb05c47c: Remove vapour monsters 10(2 hours ago, 29 files, 42+ 107-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b05c47ca704e 14:16:49 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 14:17:50 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 14:18:10 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:53 That commit is one of the best commits I've seen. 14:20:13 nonethousand: sounds like an oversight tbh. isn't there only one, relatively recent effect that creates fear on the player? 14:20:13 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:20:22 oh there have surely been worse monsters than vapours 14:20:28 PleasingFungus: I believe there are several monsters 14:20:38 Eidolon, Satyr 14:20:43 giant orange brain (04G) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 39-73 | AC/EV: 2/4 | 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(106), asphyx, 12drown | Vul: 08holy | XP: 713 | Sp: brain feed, cause fear, shadow creatures, mass confusion, blink, 04esc:teleport self | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 14:20:43 %??giant orange brain 14:20:48 huh 14:20:54 I only remembered satyrs 14:21:04 also "it" 14:21:17 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:21:26 gammafunk: Perhaps so, but I haven't run across them. I mean, I am biased because the one time I've ever been one-shot-killed from full health was by a vapour, but over all I think randomly moving invis enemies are awful. 14:21:43 anyway if there's a good reason for it that's fine but I thihnk it makes more sense/seems more consistent if it would block fear 14:21:43 !lg . ckiller=vapour 1 x=dam,hp,mhp 14:21:44 1/2. [dam=53;hp=-37;mhp=16] SGrunt the Miscreant (L3 SpEn of Nemelex Xobeh), blasted by a vapour (bolt of lightning) (summoned by the player character) on D:3 on 2012-06-01 23:28:19, with 106 points after 2608 turns and 0:05:59. 14:21:46 Invis enemies should be predictable to make it possible to handle them w/o seeing them 14:21:52 !lg . ckiller=vapour 2 x=dam,hp,mhp 14:21:52 2. [dam=25;hp=-10;mhp=106] SGrunt the Pyromancer (L20 DEFE of Vehumet), blasted by a vapour (bolt of lightning) on D:19 on 2012-06-13 01:16:28, with 259544 points after 71986 turns and 5:20:25. 14:22:00 (huh, I thought it was more than that) 14:22:27 Keep in mind that each bolt can bounce, and monster bounces aren't limited to 2 14:22:34 Uh. 14:22:40 Monster bounces *are* limited to two. 14:22:45 Oh. I was mislead. 14:22:54 watch out for those grey elves! 14:23:18 Lasty: well I won't lie; what prompted this removal was the end of a decent speedrun due to a silly vapour near the swamp rune vault 14:23:28 Makes sense to me 14:23:30 no effective way of dealing with a monster that won't attack you and is invisible 14:23:30 -!- Akitten_Homura is now known as UncertainKitten 14:23:36 agreed 14:23:56 and lightning bolts are arbitrarily either incredibly fatal or crazy weak 14:24:02 Grunt: now you can die to hostile bees at least! 14:24:07 !send gammafunk BEES 14:24:08 Sending BEES to gammafunk. 14:24:14 not to mention vampire mosquitos 14:24:15 !send Hive gammafunk 14:24:15 Sending gammafunk to Hive. 14:24:16 the beeees 14:24:36 ??hive[2 14:24:37 hive[2/2]: my god, the bees! people seriously played this branch there's kind of a lot of bees 14:24:55 it didn't look too bad with vamp cleaving and poison immunity 14:24:59 and not being human 14:25:24 conjure flame worked pretty well too 14:25:35 !tell tenofswords Congratulations, you were the Top Abuser of vapour monsters. But if you don't like any of the substitutions I made vault-wise, feel free to make adjustments 14:25:35 gammafunk: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 14:26:39 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:26:52 ?/abuse 14:26:55 Matching entries (4): monqy[4] | new_testament[1] | shield_of_the_gong[3] | unicode6_0[1] 14:27:04 !send Basil GONNNNG 14:27:05 Sending GONNNNG to Basil. 14:27:08 ??unicode6_0 14:27:08 unicode6 0[1/1]: A boatload of glyphs for you to abuse. A font with all symbol blocks: http://users.teilar.gr/~g1951d/Symbola600.zip Test: 💩 14:27:38 Last time I tried gong it didn't do shit 14:27:57 But, that might be different now that V:$ corners are open 14:28:02 Basil: the last time I had GONNNNG I was a Fo. 14:28:04 Turns out that's a bad idea. 14:28:20 the last time i had it i didn't wear it since i hate fun 14:28:40 hmm 14:28:56 Gong, firestarter, and dchan 14:29:26 (maybe make death channel duration longer) 14:30:06 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:30:08 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 14:30:40 ??kiku randbook[$ 14:30:40 kiku randbook[2/2]: Second book: One of (Animate Dead, Twisted Resurrection); one of (Agony, Excruciating Wounds); one of (Bolt of Draining, Simulacrum, Death Channel); Dispel Undead; and then one more of these possible spells that you didn't get already. 14:31:07 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:21 -!- Lysalla has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:32:39 How often is twisted resurrection used, I wonder 14:32:53 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 28.0/20140319124030]] 14:33:05 it's definitely a consolation prize 14:33:14 i got saddled with it and did not care for it in my most recent kiku game 14:34:36 almost no one uses twisted res as far as i know 14:34:40 it's probably still super OP though 14:34:55 -!- lessens_ has quit [] 14:35:29 But, fooling around with macabre masses and shepherding around aboms still seems pretty annoying 14:35:32 perhaps moreso after the nerf 14:35:47 yes 14:37:15 Maybe make aboms you control keep fusing into stronger aboms? 14:37:23 and add another tier or two maybe 14:38:22 Would give it a different niche among the resurrection spells 14:38:35 maybe just dont have spells that make permanent allies that can use stairs 14:38:40 that sounds like a better solution 14:38:47 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Changing host] 14:38:53 that's also an idea 14:39:13 !send Basil eldritch abominations 14:39:14 Sending eldritch abominations to Basil. 14:40:11 as someone who likes summons i used to use twisted resurrection but stopped because its a very annoying spell 14:40:18 In short, I dislike that it exists in the second kiku randbook 14:40:29 in its current state 14:40:29 ??kiku randbook[2 14:40:30 kiku randbook[2/2]: Second book: One of (Animate Dead, Twisted Resurrection); one of (Agony, Excruciating Wounds); one of (Bolt of Draining, Simulacrum, Death Channel); Dispel Undead; and then one more of these possible spells that you didn't get already. 14:41:13 -!- OutworldRelay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:26 -!- popx has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 14:42:08 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:21 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:29 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:43:05 but guaranteeing animate dead might be "too good" to some 14:43:07 in short i dislike that twisted res exists 14:43:42 I'm not convinced that animate dead is all that strong 14:43:51 I mean, it's okay 14:43:54 It is very strong 14:43:57 it is with kiku 14:44:33 the problem with turning corpses into zombies is that you can't turn them into simulacrula 14:46:13 L4 Necro vs L6 Necro/Ice 14:46:21 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:23 and zombies are permanent 14:46:33 ??spines 14:46:33 spiny[1/1]: Mutation, has a chance of doing ((2 + (x-1)/2)d5 (where x is mutation level) - enemy AC - player EVP/3) damage to enemies in melee combat when their attack is not blocked by the player. Subject to monster EV. 14:50:30 -!- Brannock has quit [Client Quit] 14:54:10 Basil: I wouldn't remove twisted res from kikubooks unless you are going to remove the spell altogether 14:54:39 like, if it isn't good for kikuites, it just isn't good :P 14:55:00 (I dislike the spell too though) 14:55:55 I've been okay with TR in the past, but it has been tedious to manage and I tend to prefer using, say, Simulacrum anyway. 14:56:16 (note that I have never used TR while not a Kiku-ite, AFAICR, though I think that one demigod of mine may have come close) 14:56:39 <|amethyst> I guess the improved stair-following didn't help too much 14:56:41 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:58:10 if TR were to be removed, I'd change the second kiku randbook to (animate dead or simulacrum) + (agony or excruciating wounds) + (bolt of draining or death channel) + dispel undead + 1 more 14:58:22 but if someone has ideas for improving the spell, that would be cool too 14:58:32 That seems acceptable 14:58:38 I'm pretty sure mumra was thinking of something for it. 14:58:39 (the reason to change the book like that is to guarantee that it has a corpse-using spell) 14:58:54 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:58:56 although L6 Ice/Necro vs L4 Necro might be an awkward gap 14:58:56 <|amethyst> wouldn't (agony or bolt of draining) be better? 14:58:58 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/abom/BigWhat.png something big and ugly 14:59:08 <|amethyst> to guarantee an attack spell 14:59:13 |amethyst: maybe, yeah 14:59:18 that does make sense 14:59:18 not sure if it is or is not 14:59:38 possibly excruciating wounds and bolt of draining should be swapped regardless 14:59:41 !source death_channel 14:59:41 <|amethyst> also, is excruciating wounds that useful for kikuites? 14:59:43 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-other.cc;hb=HEAD#l157 14:59:54 |amethyst: are any brand spells particularly useful? <_< 14:59:56 if you don't get a pain weapon, yes 15:00:03 wheals, gammafunk: a todo for you??? 15:00:06 (or before you get a pain weapon) 15:00:22 Grunt: i removed all but wounds and warp weapon in a local branch 15:00:28 (to be fair I really enjoyed Warp Weapon with that HaWr of mine) 15:00:33 wounds is the best-designed brand spell IMO 15:00:45 i've used excruciating wounds with not-kiku and really liked it 15:00:52 since it has both a noticeable effect and a noticeable drawback 15:01:01 yeah 15:01:06 (warp weapon needs a drawback) 15:01:13 Distorts you on cast 15:01:15 mmm 15:01:22 the drawback is hitting things with disto 15:01:35 <|amethyst> Yeah, I don't have a problem with the spell so much as the uncomfortable overlap with half of Kiku's final ability 15:01:38 disto is good but it does have its disadvantages! 15:01:47 elliptic: have it do a mild tloc miscast or effects along those lines? 15:01:50 !source increase_duration 15:01:51 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.cc;hb=HEAD#l8143 15:01:54 (maybe have it hurt you for a few hp) 15:02:22 |amethyst: you can think of it as giving you some reason to maybe choose necronomicon instead of pain branding if you do get a book with excruciating wounds 15:02:34 or at least disto doesn't seem optimal in all fights, which is better at least than freezing/flaming aura 15:02:39 anyway, gotta go 15:02:40 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:03:01 |amethyst: if you got gifted the book after making the decision between necronomicon/pain brand, then it would seem bad to me 15:03:08 but as it is I think it is okay 15:03:12 you.increase_duration(DUR_DEATH_CHANNEL, 15 + random2(1 + pow/3), 100); 15:03:29 That sounds like 40, 50 turns at "typical power"? 15:03:47 Basil: typical power is probably like 75 or so 15:04:02 since necromancy enhancers aren't that common 15:04:17 so maybe 20-30 turns typically 15:04:23 That seems low 15:04:53 you can recast it, so the duration isn't that relevant 15:04:56 it could be increased though 15:05:11 then again, that might be the intent since "you're not supposed to keep it up indefinitely" or something 15:05:14 <|amethyst> elliptic: I guess that's true... what about alternating between EW and one of the necronomicon spells then? 15:05:45 <|amethyst> elliptic: so the second book can push you towards either of the alternatives 15:05:45 That is quite a disparity 15:05:49 ??necronomicon 15:05:49 necronomicon[1/1]: Borgnjor's Revivification, Haunt, Death's Door, Necromutation - Requires 6 spellcasting and 10 necromancy to memorize spells out of this book. 15:05:59 I could see EW vs haunt I guess 15:06:02 except if it's necromut I guess 15:06:35 time to put DU in the necronomicon 15:06:51 (mass dispel undead aka Disruption) 15:06:56 EW and haunt are both spells that are powerful but aren't useful for every character (even assuming no other pain weapon) 15:07:16 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:24 hmm 15:07:36 <|amethyst> the problem with necromutation is that it is completely useless for some characters 15:07:38 I keep feeling like dchan could be "fixed" somehow but I'm not sure how to do it 15:07:44 <|amethyst> I guess that's also a problem for EW 15:07:56 <|amethyst> but fewer characters 15:08:13 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:39 I feel like forcing people to choose necronomicon (or find it randomly) if they want ddoor/borg/necromut is a good idea 15:08:45 haunt is already in one other book though :P 15:08:52 (grand grimoire) 15:08:59 -!- codehero is now known as scientificat 15:09:12 Mass Haunt 15:09:19 Wraith's Call 15:10:42 So, anyone mind if I remove twisted res? 15:10:42 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:10:47 Or are there plans to salvage it somehow 15:10:49 -!- scientificat is now known as codile 15:11:36 -!- codile is now known as Americat 15:11:52 Basil: I only mind if the commit message isn't "Twisted Resurrection collapses into a pulpy mess!" 15:11:55 <_< 15:11:59 I'd give it some time (maybe until after tourney) to see if anyone has a plan, probably? 15:12:27 hmm 15:12:34 send a message to crd, then wait 15:12:35 !time 15:12:35 Time: Apr 09, 2014, 08:12:35 PM, UTC. The 2014 0.14 tournament starts in 1 day, 23 hours, 47 minutes and 24 seconds. 15:12:50 until the 24th or so, if nobody has a solution dead it 15:13:15 Sound good? 15:13:19 mmh 15:13:21 !seen ontoclasm 15:13:22 I last saw ontoclasm at Tue Apr 8 06:45:21 2014 UTC (1d 13h 28m 1s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 255 seconds'. 15:13:55 -!- mk83 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:14:48 ??kiku randbook[$ 15:14:48 kiku randbook[2/2]: Second book: One of (Animate Dead, Twisted Resurrection); one of (Agony, Excruciating Wounds); one of (Bolt of Draining, Simulacrum, Death Channel); Dispel Undead; and then one more of these possible spells that you didn't get already. 15:15:28 And simultaneously replace twisted res with Simulacrum there. 15:15:56 if anyone has ideas for new necromancy spells, that would be cool too, we haven't had any new ones in a long time I think? 15:16:22 !seen roctavian 15:16:23 I last saw roctavian at Fri Apr 4 00:24:23 2014 UTC (5d 19h 52m ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 245 seconds'. 15:16:23 ??necromancy 15:16:24 necromancy[1/3]: Governs spells that make undead things, or suck life force out of your enemies. Casting them pisses "good" gods off. Has a number of excellent combo spells. Many necromantic spells require corpses, which are not available in all parts of the dungeon. 15:16:30 bugger 15:21:32 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:21:49 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:37 ??macabre mass 15:23:37 twisted resurrection[1/4]: Converts all piles of corpses in LOS into crawling corpses or macabre masses, very weak attackless creatures that can merge to form abominations. Creates 1HD worth of creatures per 60 to 20 aum, depending on spell power (and with half efficiency past 15 HD). Small aboms require 6HD and two corpses, large 11HD and three corpses. 15:24:03 ?/macabre mass 15:24:04 Matching entries (2): twisted_resurrection[1] | twisted_resurrection[2] 15:24:11 ??twisted ressurection[2 15:24:11 twisted ressurection ~ twisted resurrection[2/4]: Crawling corpses/macabre masses can upgrade small abominations to large; large abominations cannot be upgraded. Cast by deep elf priests, high priests, and death mages, as well as draconian zealots. If there's no space to create monsters, the corpse(s) will "collapse into a pulpy mess." 15:28:29 <|amethyst> I guess the problem is that it gives permanent allies with no means of recalling them 15:28:35 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:42 |amethyst: yeah 15:28:43 <|amethyst> and it doesn't make sense to give the spell recall, because that's already a spell 15:28:54 <|amethyst> (which doesn't work off-level) 15:28:59 also it gives permanent allies 15:29:41 if you remove the annoyance from using twisted res you just make the spell's other problems actually matter 15:30:09 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:31:29 having TR give temporary aboms seems hard to make work well though given the time needed to make the aboms with it 15:31:41 maybe if TR combined together all corpses in sight instantly or something 15:31:58 i dont really see why necro needs four different spells that all effectively do the same thing 15:32:08 (animate skeleton/dead, TR, simulacrum) 15:32:40 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 15:32:43 <|amethyst> the same reason conjurations has dozens of spells that all effectively do the same thing 15:32:52 <|amethyst> it's the biggest theme of the school 15:33:03 i dont really agree with that 15:33:06 <|amethyst> turning dead guys into your guys 15:37:28 ??kiku randbook[1 15:37:28 kiku randbook[1/2]: First book: One of (Pain, Animate Skeleton); two of (Corpse Rot, Sublimation of Blood, Lethal Infusion); one of (Regeneration, Vampiric Draining); Control Undead. (But you will never get a spell you can't cast due to your species.) 15:39:30 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:39:58 -!- SenoraRaton has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41:43 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:43:49 ??necromancy spells 15:43:51 I don't have a page labeled necromancy_spells in my learndb. 15:45:38 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:46:18 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:46:42 Ponderous (L12 TrHu) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 4427 failed. (Volcano) 15:47:50 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:43 -!- vadatajs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:19 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:49:27 * BlastHardcheese read that as "democracy spells" for a second 15:49:53 portal backstab? 15:50:13 rename hexes 15:50:27 -!- popx has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 15:50:37 call election? (frenzy, confusion, or random monsters suddenly are band leaders) 15:52:15 -!- esper6 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:53:44 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:46 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:54:02 haxes 15:54:35 -!- Cabadath has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:51 People insisting that devs don't care about extended is making the main channel annoying. 15:57:26 not sure how you expect complaining here to help 15:57:44 people insist on a lot of things in ##crawl 15:58:35 ##crawl is a bad place do not go there 15:59:03 I dunno it just felt toxic, like everyone wants everything removed. Acid is bad. remove all amulets except faith, because they do nothing. Shields of reflection do nothing. 15:59:12 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:59:35 welcome to ##crawl 15:59:49 it's a couple steps above tavern. take it with a boulder of salt 15:59:59 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 16:00:17 time to make some oklob vaults, I hear 16:00:17 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:00:27 Tavern seems more civilized by comparison. 16:00:31 !send dpeg corrosive influences 16:00:31 Sending corrosive influences to dpeg. 16:00:59 also, welcome to IRC >.> 16:02:06 I actually think Acid should be expanded, both in more enemies using it and in more player use; the fact that no enemy resists it makes it a bit like player hellfire when you have it (rod of clouds, Makhleb, Fedhas Oklobs). 16:02:46 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:03:44 On a simple note; is there a practical reason Vampires can't drain demonic corpses (Raiju, Hellhounds, orange rats, hellephants)? ...from a gameplay perspective it's mostly just annoying and I think the restriction should be removed (though if the major food reform passes that might be irrelevant). 16:04:28 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:04:28 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:32 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:05:03 hellhound corpses can be eaten; if they can't be blood-drained, that seems odd. both or neither should apply 16:05:22 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:05:47 spiders dont have blood but can be eaten 16:05:53 for one easy example 16:07:36 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:15 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:10:26 I haven't checked with the new demonspawn corpses, but vampires can't drain demon corpses, which doesn't seem that intuitive; the spiders makes sense, but... 16:10:50 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:11:06 Maybe it has more to do with the fact that they are poisonous corpses than anything to do with their holiness. 16:11:30 If you have rPois (whether by being thirsty or having an external source) you can drain them just fine. 16:11:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:11:48 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11:51 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:29 I couldn't drain them as a bat. 16:12:32 raiju (12h) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 26-52 | AC/EV: 4/14 | Dam: 1111(elec:7-9) | sense invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(28), 11elec+++ | XP: 265 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d14) | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 16:12:32 %??raiju 16:12:51 -!- Patashu has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:12:51 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:07 huh; that doesn't even list it; maybe that's changed between the trunk I was playing and the stable. 16:15:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15:23 raiju aren't demonic anyway 16:15:30 they don't have blood 16:15:30 for the past few weeks 16:15:57 mm 16:15:59 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:36 Abyss is 90% corpseless for Vampires still was the issue I was having...nothing editable in the standard pool; just certain vault creatures. 16:18:41 fr blood elementals 16:19:24 BlastHardcheese: aren't these called humans? 16:19:28 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:20:02 dpeg: those are closer to meat elementals! 16:20:03 -!- trystero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:20:30 I'd actually seriously like a 'pain' elemental. as in a creature in constant pain..that causes pain to others and draws strength from all pain.hehe 16:22:15 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:22:37 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:22:50 -!- Americat is now known as codehero 16:22:54 and which spews out flaming skulls 16:22:58 that cause you mental agony 16:23:31 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 16:24:04 Is it just me; or is it a little weird/biased that all the guaranteed fixed arts are fire/hellfire (Asmodeus, Dispater, Cerebov) and the other three pan lords and two hell lords give...nothing. 16:25:42 meat elemental (05@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 1000 | AC/EV: 3/13 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(24) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1696 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 16:25:42 %??human col:red name:meat_elemental n_rpl hp:1000 16:25:57 You joyfully slaughter the meat elemental! 16:27:42 n_rpl? 16:29:54 ??wcrawl[8 16:29:54 wcrawl[8/12]: PLAYER TESTIMONIALS: wcrawl sounds distressing / wcrawl has many exciting and innovative features, for sure 16:30:03 ??wcrawl[7 16:30:05 wcrawl[7/12]: pegataurs (flying holy centaurs with exploding javelins of holy wrath); autotab 16:30:28 !learn edit wcrawl[7] s/$/; autocrab; meat elementals 16:30:29 wcrawl[7/12]: pegataurs (flying holy centaurs with exploding javelins of holy wrath); autotab; autocrab; meat elementals 16:31:02 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:02 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:08 pegataur as an enemy doesn't sound terrible...though it's roughly the next rung in Centaur -> Yaktaur...*shrug* 16:38:09 -!- Keanan has left ##crawl-dev 16:38:46 elliptic: i will try! sick again and changing jobs - again - so quite busy 16:38:47 Napkin: You have 10 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:39:53 Napkin: schon lange krank? 16:39:58 (10 messages :( ) 16:42:09 -!- raskol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:12 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:42:35 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:59 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:45:58 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:10 when do the really out there changes begin 16:46:24 like removing stuff 16:48:29 after the tourney 16:49:01 Remove Mummy Priests; replace with Ancient Liches. 16:49:04 Napkin: people are really cranky about trunk download being broken. Fuck'em I say: shall I announce that the service is discontinued? 16:49:41 well that would be quite unfortunate 16:50:16 someone has to spent the effort, if no-one's around, players have compilers and servers, too 16:50:46 k 16:50:51 so why not ask around if someone is willing to do it before just discontinuing it? there might be someone on tavern willing to do so 16:51:04 go ahead if you feel like it 16:51:10 what's wrong with trunk download 16:51:13 I am only interested in removing one burden from Napkin 16:51:23 I haven't needed to touch it in a while now that I use the git source, but still 16:51:29 it hasn't been updated for around 1,5 months 16:51:32 oh 16:51:40 that's kind of a problem them 16:52:39 i do remember a thread with someone posting builds, they might have been the prerelease ones? 16:53:27 well i wouldnt feel right asking about someone making trunk builds on tavern because i do not know what is involved in doing sao 16:53:32 so* 16:53:47 (or elsewhere) 16:53:53 ??heartbleed 16:53:54 I don't have a page labeled heartbleed in my learndb. 16:53:56 hmm 16:54:02 |amethyst: did you hear about that? 16:54:23 the builds are something I download sometimes because I have no desire to compile crawl myself just for occasional wizmode testing, though I guess I could use stable instead 16:54:50 fr wizmoderobin 16:55:42 its not really reasonable to expect players to compile crawl, anyway 16:56:05 * Lightli coughs 16:56:07 except on Debian 16:56:25 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:45 of course, that is why we have the latest release builds 16:58:03 trunk builds would be really great but if it's not possible... 16:59:00 wizmode on servers would actually be a good idea? 16:59:25 -!- buki_ is now known as buki 16:59:43 a problem might be security concerns 16:59:55 because of wizmode lua stuff? 17:00:01 I don't think it's a whole lot of work for Napkin (probably just some script that's not running since server move), but I hate this self-entitlement. Nothing's paid for, nothing's guaranteed, and there are enough folks out there to set it up themselves. 17:00:22 users can selectively be given the ability to use wizmode, but it seems weird to just allow anyone to use it on servers 17:00:41 but if someone wanted to set up a wizmode-fully-enabled webtiles server they could do that 17:01:06 weird? 17:01:41 dpeg: well, perhaps we should have someone add a note to the download page that the service is out-of-order and that we would be happy to link to a working one? 17:01:52 I think I could turn on wizmode and generate a bunch of bogus milestones for example (I may be wrong) 17:02:22 nooodl: there are a lot of pretty cpu-intensive things that you can do in wizmode 17:02:27 and I know a couple of ways to make the game lock up 17:02:34 evilmike: I think only crash milestones are recorded in wizmode 17:02:45 my favourite is to use the console to replace the d:1 monster list with "boggart" 17:02:55 SamB: yes, probably 17:02:56 :D 17:03:10 I'd worry more about the server load for people doing 09999& 17:03:22 or various stat-gathering commands that generate thousands of levels 17:03:24 or using fsim 17:03:24 can |amethyst or kilobyte do that? 17:03:39 -!- crate has left ##crawl-dev 17:03:43 -!- raskol` is now known as raskol 17:03:47 kilobyte could, but it wouldn't feel right to ask him at this point 17:03:52 elliptic: this is why wizmode games hould have their own DGL menuitem and should be reniced ;-P 17:04:01 dpeg: point 17:04:25 wizmode also crashes easily which would be annoying for the bot's crash reports in this channel 17:04:32 in which case, dare I mention the nap king? 17:04:44 apparently innerflamed spores explode twice 17:04:53 <|amethyst> SamB: yes, none of the crawl servers I deal with have a new enough openssl 17:04:58 it seems what actually happens is that the explosion itself is blocked properly 17:05:00 probably wizmode should just act like a local session 17:05:01 |amethyst: cool 17:05:04 but it still leaves flame clouds 17:05:09 except for being watchable 17:05:14 <|amethyst> SamB: I did have to upgrade a bunch of machines at work, though 17:05:14 bug or feature? 17:05:18 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:05:22 if by "new enough" you mean >=1.0.1 and <1.0.1g 17:05:26 i.e. affected 17:05:53 <|amethyst> SamB: 0.9.8 :) 17:06:00 |amethyst: so I guess you're glad s-z.org is still on squeeze huh? 17:06:04 wheals: not intentional but seems fine to me i guess 17:06:14 maybe disable the number-crunchy stuff for the purpose of hosting it on a server 17:06:18 23:38 <+Napkin> elliptic: i will try! sick again and changing jobs - again - so quite busy 17:06:18 does fedhas let you inner flame your own spores? 17:06:21 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:26 |amethyst: what about certs, did you need to get those replaced? 17:07:22 also what's up with mons->hit_points = -16; 17:07:27 is that some kind of magic number 17:07:37 |amethyst: anyway at least it's a TLS-only problem, so ssh-only keys aren't actually compromised 17:07:40 something somewhere checks for hp > -15 yeah 17:07:42 i forget what 17:07:46 good -16 17:07:52 -!- Cheibrodos has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:36 there's also "hexed by Xom" in the code 17:08:43 MarvinPA: gibbing? 17:08:46 or can xom still cast the spell inner flame itself 17:08:51 ?/annihilated 17:08:51 Matching terms (1): annihilated 17:08:56 ??annihilated 17:08:57 annihilated[1/1]: You had -22 hp or less when you died. Parts of you are all over the dungeon. 17:09:09 blood spatters maybe 17:09:22 <|amethyst> SamB: Hm... 17:09:33 hm, right above the -16 it says // Exploding kills the monster a bit earlier than normal. 17:09:44 so i guess it has something to do with death order?? 17:10:27 <|amethyst> SamB: I suppose the CSZO/dobrazupa certs should be revoked to be safe, since I have no idea what version of openssl, if any, the CA used/uses 17:10:41 <|amethyst> SamB: I have to pay for that, though 17:10:47 |amethyst: I don't think it matters what version of openssl they used to MAKE the certs 17:11:04 oh that very function checks mons->hit_points <= -15 so maybe it has to do with not exploding twice 17:11:07 as long as they don't ever use the relevant signing cert in TLS 17:11:26 but maybe I need to read more 17:11:30 <|amethyst> SamB: it matters what version their server was running when they signed it, since they could have leaked the key to other users 17:11:47 |amethyst: oh, you think they do that in-process? 17:11:54 <|amethyst> SamB: no idea 17:12:35 anyway, if they might have leaked it they owe you one 17:12:40 well, however many 17:13:00 |amethyst: anyway I was asking if you needed to replace any certs for work 17:13:20 do you manage any servers there? 17:14:09 <|amethyst> Yeah, but nothing that does TLS 17:14:22 <|amethyst> so I upgraded openssl to be sure, but am not terribly worried about it 17:14:27 <|amethyst> no https or anything 17:15:04 well, if they don't do TLS to speak of, they probably don't have any TLS certs to speak of 17:15:04 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:15:09 how about CUPS? 17:15:14 does that have a cert? 17:15:24 <|amethyst> nope 17:15:36 <|amethyst> I misspoke, we do have LDAP over TLS 17:15:43 <|amethyst> but that's not open to the world anyway 17:16:13 in that case I'm guessing you don't use a CA-signed cert anyway? 17:16:17 <|amethyst> yeah 17:16:36 <|amethyst> so if they do need replaced, it's just re-self-signing :) 17:17:07 hmm, my CUPS has a key 17:17:19 * SamB goes to check if cups uses openssl ... 17:17:33 -!- ldlework has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:18:22 You know; an rHellfire race would be a lot more interesting if they gave up a lot to do it. Like...no scrolls, have to use a point of permanent MP to remove curses. 17:18:24 nope, NSS 17:18:49 More Vaults by Cheibrodos 17:19:58 so I personally just ended up restarting apache (which I don't think I have set up for https anyway) and pygopherd (which I have no idea if it does SSL or not) and leaving everything else alone 17:20:06 not that I have any actual stuff to serve on gopher anyway 17:21:18 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:23:20 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-110-gb05c47c (34) 17:25:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:28:59 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-111-g7f0af46: Add baconkid to the credits 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7f0af46a4c0c 17:34:45 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:18 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:36:45 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:31 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 17:43:20 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:45:39 -!- sinusoidal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:47:37 -!- Akien has quit [Quit: Quitte] 17:49:18 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:49:47 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:49:58 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:50:36 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:54 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:24 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:01:59 -!- emagenta has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:03:09 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:07:16 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:14:23 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:14:55 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17:07 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:58 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:18:47 -!- Vidiny has quit [] 18:18:59 -!- Scytale has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:24:06 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:27:58 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:30:18 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:02 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 18:40:23 -!- Guest81722 is now known as ChrisOelmueller 18:42:28 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:50 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:55 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:45:02 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 18:47:03 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: I'm Discordian mafia. 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Besides high fire magic aptitude, they have a "temperature bar", mostly tied to {tension}; they gain a damage-dealing aura and can't use scrolls until they cool down. 21:11:54 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:12:00 clearly the changelog needs a "Psych" section 21:13:07 hm 21:13:10 I added a new tile 21:13:14 for an unrand I'm working on 21:13:29 and now a large number of tiles are fucked. almost as though there's a spritesheet offset issue 21:13:42 also, the unrand isn't actually using the tile I told it to 21:13:46 I think deleting the sprite sheet and recompiling will fix that, right? 21:13:55 (not actual advice!) 21:14:00 Where does the spritesheet live? 21:14:06 maybe rltiles 21:14:12 there's several of them 21:14:23 the real question is, why does that seem to happen sometimes? 21:14:32 but I've run into it twice so far 21:14:34 caching? idk, this is the first time I've run into it 21:14:45 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:48 I blame my sub-par git skills 21:14:59 johnstein: git outta here. 21:14:59 there are two great problems in computing: caching, memory management, and off-by-one errors 21:15:02 rude 21:15:10 -!- Basil is now known as Guest86629 21:15:17 * johnstein gits going 21:15:25 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:40 checkout whatta jerk grunt is being. he should remove himself to a new rebase before he makes like a branch and leaves. 21:15:44 though coincidentally, I'm dishing out git advice in another IRC channel 21:16:19 git blame dpeg 21:16:30 -!- Guest86629 is now known as Tarragon 21:16:33 PleasingFungus: rather fetching advice, though I blame you for it just being a clone of what you heard somewhere remote. 21:16:51 * johnstein slow claps 21:17:17 eh, that was pretty --forced 21:17:53 he's trying too --hard? 21:18:44 -!- nrook has quit [Client Quit] 21:18:48 [19:14] I blame my sub-par git skills 21:18:49 [19:15] johnstein: git outta here. 21:18:51 I worry some of those may be going over my ^HEAD. 21:18:51 [19:15] checkout whatta jerk grunt is being. he should remove himself to a new rebase before he makes like a branch and leaves. 21:18:52 [19:16] PleasingFungus: rather fetching advice, though I blame you for it just being a clone of what you heard somewhere remote. 21:18:54 [19:16] * johnstein slow claps 21:18:55 [19:17] eh, that was pretty --forced 21:18:57 [19:17] he's trying too --hard? 21:19:09 whoops, silly mouse 21:19:21 johnstein: thanks for the rerere-peat 21:19:27 :C 21:19:31 /kicks johnstein 21:19:41 git revert ##crawl-dev 21:19:53 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:58 !boot johnstein 21:19:58 /kick johnstein 21:20:32 anyway deleting main.png fixed my problem 21:20:34 thanks! ) 21:20:36 : 21:20:36 -!- nrook has quit [Client Quit] 21:20:37 c'mon, i'm sure we can hash out our diffs 21:23:22 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:28 not if people are cherry-picking out my problems 21:24:54 PleasingFungus: glad it worked! 21:25:30 -!- Tarragon is now known as Basil 21:28:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:22 I'm unwilling to get pulled into this 21:28:30 git pulled 21:28:36 (wow I screwed that up excuse me) 21:29:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:31:51 you are excused. 21:32:18 -!- Klightning has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:32:38 -!- NeremWo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34:11 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:52 -!- nrook has quit [Client Quit] 21:36:00 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:11 -!- Eonwe6 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:02 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:13 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:41:26 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 21:45:54 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:53:18 -!- hurdos has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:00 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Client Quit] 21:58:26 -!- Eonwe6 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:01:14 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:06:02 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10:08 -!- raskol_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:11:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:19:05 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:23:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:23:54 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:25:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:28:07 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:30:16 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:16 fr fix the torment LOS thing so Beogh isn't the easiest tomb god 22:31:28 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 22:32:10 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 22:32:18 was this known before korea happened 22:32:44 We knew it was a thing; we just didn't see this particular consequence. 22:37:49 Does the same thing occur with other LOS-wide attacks, e.g. Ozo's, or the poison thing the new nagas have? 22:38:18 There are some other things to which it applies; I'd need to go check what they are. 22:40:06 I was going to say, if it didn't apply to those, it seems like it'd be easy to use their targeting code.. 22:42:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:42:55 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:43:01 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 22:43:18 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:27 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 22:45:53 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:49:28 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 22:49:55 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:37 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 22:52:57 what's the torment LOS thing? 22:53:12 rchandra: torment users don't torment unless the player is in their LOS. 22:53:24 rchandra: so if you have allies kill them outside of LOS they don't torment at all. 22:53:41 ... oh. that is indeed weird 22:54:06 solution: your LOS includes your allies' LOS 22:56:02 should it be fixed 22:56:07 fr: effect that raises your LOS by 1 22:56:19 also, squarelos, so los + 1 can actually fit on the default terminal 22:57:01 i wanted to do that for sniper but yeah doesn't fit 22:57:03 squarelos in general 22:57:19 nonsquarelos is abomination 22:57:19 fr: unrand that gives squarelos 22:57:21 ??errors 22:57:21 squarelos[3/5]: (2:01:23 AM) OG17: long live errors 22:57:25 gonna sneak squarelos into my next description patch. 22:57:28 Sniper should clearly have infinitelos 22:57:28 no one will expect it. 22:57:37 the +4 square shield 22:57:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:57:59 make disjunction squarelos 22:58:03 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:58:14 Eronarn: no, disjunction causes hexcrawl 22:58:27 rchandra: that is harder because it requires remapping stuff 22:58:39 hexcrawl, for the discriminating player. 22:58:44 now, if the abyss were hexes, and lugonu corruption... 22:58:51 then you're talking 22:59:06 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 23:00:27 oh yeah, I had a tomb idea I wanted opinions on 23:00:50 fr: tomb curses you like a wretched star the longer you're in it 23:01:02 tomb curse doesn't wear off over time, but only affects you inside tomb 23:01:36 also the negatives are tomby 23:02:15 so this would be a replacement for what current tomb mechanic? 23:02:33 nrook: I like this assuming it's Tomb card and not Tomb branch 23:03:25 wheals: probably tomb curses would get way nicer 23:03:41 yes tomb card is op, don't spend too long without zapping dig 23:05:29 -!- tangobravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:07:38 -!- ZRN has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 23:07:42 specifically I think the idea was the long-term tomb curses (drain, statrot, etc?) would be moved to the Tomb Curse, which would steadily intensify over time 23:07:56 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:11 yes, that's right 23:08:17 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:17 -!- rast- is now known as rast 23:08:42 tomb currently encourages extremely conservative play if you don't have a way to avoid curses 23:09:50 basically, making death curses a tactical concern instead of a strategic one, which allows more interesting play; and also adding a time pressure element to tomb 23:10:05 (I was talking with him about this last night) 23:11:18 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11:55 personally I think the big problem with current tomb is that none of its contents are meaningfully random, with the single exception of whether or not flying skulls generate near the tomb:3 stairs 23:12:38 the big problem with current tomb is that stairdancing exists in the game and is too good 23:12:47 but fixing stairdancing is not simple I know 23:13:20 time pressures doesn't need to be in tomb, that's what orbruntomb is for 23:13:36 magically changing stairdancing might be good 23:13:37 fr tomb requires the orb to open 23:13:38 it also has low enemy variety 23:13:56 it has low enemy variety but it's a mostly-exclusive-ish enemy set 23:14:29 (I have some patches introducing subvault support to Tomb; probably some of the subvaults will at least occasionally include things that aren't mummies.) 23:14:32 yeah, but the unique enemy set is mummy priest and big mummy priest, who is the same 23:14:38 I wasn't even talking so much about enemy variety 23:14:44 yeah, that's a different thing 23:14:55 in fact I don't think adding non-mummies would actually be an improvement at all 23:15:05 Grunt: just add MuBes 23:15:14 mummy annihilator 23:15:15 the sameness mostly comes from the layout 23:15:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:15:26 was it grunt who subvaulted Tomb a few weeks ago? 23:15:34 Unknown spell name: 'trog's han' in 'brothers_in_arms;trog's_han' 23:15:34 %??guardian mummy name:mummy_berserker n_rpl god:trog spells:brothers_in_arms;trog's_han 23:15:37 mummy berserker (08M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 7 | HP: 37-54 | AC/EV: 6/9 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(46), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 329 | Sp: brothers in arms, trog's hand | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 23:15:37 %??guardian mummy name:mummy_berserker n_rpl god:trog spells:brothers_in_arms;trog's_hand 23:16:02 subvaulting it would probably be enough on its own to fix that (though tomb still has the other issues that have been mentioned) provided it has as many subvaults as vaults 23:16:06 Grunt: Non-mummy enemies in Tomb? 23:16:07 YOU MONSTER 23:16:08 does the sameness in layout actually lead to a sameness in the way it plays across games/characters? 23:16:20 * Lightli ignores the sphinxes and flying skulls already there 23:16:29 wheals: combined with the nature of the layout and to a lesser extent the monsters in it, yes 23:16:38 "sort of" 23:16:42 I'd say yes, simply because it's nice to have a variety of scenery 23:16:52 I think my hell trips are more samey than my tomb trips 23:17:04 ok, i haven't actually finished tomb more than once 23:17:16 most tomb trips look the same to me 23:17:16 occasionally there will be a wrinkle like i have silence or something 23:17:22 but generally it's draw some dudes, pull them upstairs, kill, repeat 23:17:26 !lm * rune=golden x=avg(urune) 23:17:27 6555 milestones for * (rune=golden): avg(urune)=5.73 23:17:28 e.g. vaults:5 basically just has 2 possible layouts (there is a quadrant with good terrain or there is not a quadrant with good terrain) but the nature of the layout is very different from tomb so it tends to feel much more varied 23:17:28 press 5 a lot 23:17:31 I'm more reckless than the average tomb player tho 23:17:52 i bet i am too! that's why i have a 50% ratio so far 23:17:54 I think I have done pretty much everything in tomb:3 23:18:06 and the only time I died in tomb was by chain lightning myself in tomb:1 23:18:07 lrd into tomb vault is still the coolest way 23:18:18 yeah, the only way my tomb games vary is if a flying skull generates near the tomb:3 stairs or i make a typo on tomb:3 and accidentally make a melee attack/cast a spell 23:18:23 The only time I've ever died in Tomb was that terminally boring GhWz. 23:18:32 !lg grunt tomb 23:18:33 1. SGrunt the Thanatomancer (L27 GhWz of Kikubaaqudgha), slain by a blue devil (summoned by a mummy priest) on Tomb:2 (tomb_2) on 2013-02-11 17:32:58, with 544469 points after 174088 turns and 11:56:06. 23:18:38 !lg . tomb 23:18:38 1. rchandra the Unseen (L22 VpEn of Kikubaaqudgha), blasted by Frederick (iron shot) on Tomb:1 (tomb_1) on 2014-01-08 05:52:40, with 417795 points after 66069 turns and 9:37:57. 23:18:43 !lg . tomb 23:18:44 1. wheals the Thanatomancer (L25 DsCj of Kikubaaqudgha), slain by a phantasmal warrior (summoned by a greater mummy) on Tomb:1 (tomb_1) on 2014-03-07 00:03:02, with 567251 points after 126867 turns and 6:49:37. 23:18:46 !lm . rune=golden 23:18:46 5. [2014-02-08 04:15:44] SGrunt the Invulnerable (L27 MiGl of The Shining One) found a golden rune of Zot on turn 110116. (Tomb:3) 23:18:52 that was sad, i died going down the stairs 23:18:54 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:19:01 fr give monster summons los-nerf 23:19:21 I have an offline tomb death from agnes and a trapdoor spider simulacrum 23:20:07 that one was kind of crazy since i got trample off the initial 1 -> 2 stairs by a dragon zombie 23:20:15 so i did a lot of rtele 23:20:16 rchandra: what kind of character? 23:20:28 spen with shatter 23:20:44 rchandra: so a spriggan enchanter, Agnes, and a trapdoor spider simulacrum walk into Tomb... 23:20:52 * Grunt flees in terror. 23:21:04 actually the problem with tomb trips being samey is not that there aren't many things that will work there, there's a lot of stuff that will work just fine 23:21:08 it's that you can't be punished by being ultra conservative anyway 23:21:18 so it's the sensible thing to do 23:21:43 ddoor expiring, I left W:3, cblinked away from some death curse summons into an unknown teletrap to the W2 ambush, agnes had antimagic 23:21:53 add tomb effects 23:22:08 isn't that what was just being discussed 23:22:10 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 23:22:11 :v 23:22:42 npt 23:22:50 Grunt: slip hell-effect-end into 0.14, s'il vous plait 23:22:57 rchandra: too late for 0.14!!! 23:23:07 0.14.01 23:23:08 (also I want that to get a proper round of discussion) 23:23:11 not tomb effects in the 'occasional bad things' helleffect style, but a slow grinding erosion of all your stats, skills, hopes and dreams 23:23:14 also what's this? 23:23:23 An experimental thing I did up a while ago: 23:23:26 %git hell-effect-end 23:23:26 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-597-g19cdea3: End Hell effects when their respective hell lord dies. 10(5 months ago, 2 files, 22+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=19cdea3ba698 23:23:35 o 23:23:41 free loot 23:23:43 (Mainly because several people suggested it to me around then.) 23:23:47 idk I think it's kind of cool that the hells are a fundamentally hostile place 23:23:47 gives you a reason to kill hell lords, and/or a reason to actually explore the endings 23:23:49 and are never 'safe' 23:23:55 but on the other hand that's good 23:23:59 I think it's a great idea because it gives a reason to--- 23:24:01 what rchandra said 23:24:02 haha 23:24:35 I've been trying to bribe devs with breakfast offers ever since 23:24:44 what if hell lords are just bureaucrats 23:24:52 hell middle manager 23:24:55 all the more reason to kill them 23:25:12 I didn't mean to godwin btw 23:25:25 Oh, here's another vague idea I'd for a while, though I'm not sure about all of the particulars: 23:25:26 the little cerebovs 23:25:49 hell/pan lords are always aware of the location of the rune; if you pick up the rune they are immediately alerted and can chase after you. 23:25:57 s/the/their/ 23:26:02 including on the orb run? 23:26:11 nonethousand: especially on the orb run!! 23:26:23 (we need more orb run major panlord deaths) 23:26:28 also a fine idea 23:26:29 <_< 23:26:50 (and now I have visions of Cerebov stalking the player throughout the rest of the game) 23:26:59 it doesn't sound like it's particularly relevant outside of orb run right now because I think most times a hell/panlord is left alive the player just cteles out of the level 23:26:59 that idea is less good 23:27:01 (or possibly Gloorx; that's more of a Gloorx thing) 23:27:02 speakin of orb run, were those demonspawn lined up in front of the exit in a recent game a coincidence or are they supposed to try to blockade you 23:27:07 but when ctele is removed... 23:27:13 ebarrett: that sounds like a coincidence. 23:28:10 nonethousand: pan/hell lord cteles on top of exit obv, because nethack already showed us how much of an excellent idea that kind of stuff is 23:28:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:28:40 ebarrett: I'm firmly convinced that that particular NetHack behaviour is a bug that evolved into a feature. 23:28:50 make that a double ewww then 23:28:53 (and one of the first things I did with GruntHack was fix it) 23:29:10 ebarrett: well, there's exactly one enemy who's *supposed* to do that and that's Rodney. 23:29:27 (because he actually has both the ability to teleport and cTele, unlike everything else with that behaviour) 23:29:37 hm 23:30:04 i remember reading about that, yeah 23:30:15 Oh, did someone else write about that? 23:30:23 on the wiki 23:30:25 ??goodwiki 23:30:25 goodwiki[1/1]: nethackwiki.com/wiki/ 23:30:38 good goodwiki 23:32:17 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:56 holy crap 23:34:00 nethack code :( 23:34:17 wheals: You gaze at the NetHack code. You have damaged your brain! 23:34:32 at least that wiki is (iirc) actually editable! 23:34:34 Actually NetHack code in general isn't that terrible; it's just written in ancient coding styles. 23:34:37 SamB: it is! 23:34:47 I remember a page on the nethack wiki which describes a function as "producing such a bizarre distribution it's hard to tell what the programmer was going for" 23:35:16 That sounds like, uh, 23:35:22 ??rnz 23:35:22 rn1 possibly? 23:35:22 rnz[1/1]: http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Rnz 23:35:24 found it 23:35:24 oh, rnz 23:35:56 i like that the check for the candelabra is u.uhave.menorah 23:36:31 goodcode 23:36:42 ... you're sure this is an *ancient* coding style, not a *teenaged* one? 23:37:00 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:37:52 Distribution: unique 23:38:02 It's at least 30 years old now!! 23:40:04 Your knowledge of this code is twisted. 23:40:12 It invokes nightmarish images in your mind... 23:40:35 does the knowledge menace with spikes? 23:41:16 !send johnstein Planepacked 23:41:16 Sending Planepacked to johnstein. 23:41:40 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 23:41:59 that is a beautiful function 23:42:38 cool, my first unrand patch is done 23:42:46 but then again we have 23:42:48 ??airstrike 23:42:48 airstrike[1/1]: A single target attack spell; uses smite targeting, so it can hit any monster you can see. It checks AC and does 1/2 more damage on flying or levitating monsters. Spell level 4. 7 + 1d(1d4 - 1 + (1d(Power) - 1)/6) + (1d(Power) - 1)/7 damage. 23:42:58 ... 23:43:43 huh, grunthack has playable giants 23:44:31 GruntHack has a lot of Bad Ideasâ„¢ 23:44:53 One man's bad idea is another man's exciting feature 23:48:33 Well, there are a lot of things in GruntHack that I generally still think were good ideas (and other fork developers seem to agree). 23:49:06 uh 23:49:18 how much damage does airstrike do on average then 23:49:46 assuming 200 power 23:49:54 ok, i feel like i read someone saying something about some covetous behavior being a bug but can't find it, maybe it was just you 23:51:58 Lightli: looks like about 30, pre-ac 23:52:06 not counting the flying bonus 23:52:14 ??imb 23:52:15 mystic blast[1/2]: Range 7, does a maximum of 2d22 damage but explodes with a 3/(2 + 2*distance) chance. The explosion is directed away from the caster, so don't worry about hurting yourself with it. Explosions make 10 noise. 23:52:28 huh 23:52:43 assuming it's half that at 100 power... 23:52:52 wait 23:52:56 why is IMB so weak anyways 23:53:14 ??fireball 23:53:15 fireball[1/1]: Level 5 Fire/Conjuration spell. Cannot be evaded. Makes noise. Hits a 3x3 area. 23:53:16 uh 23:53:27 imb isn't weak 23:53:30 IMB caps at 100 power. 23:53:37 oh 23:53:44 and airstrike caps at 200 23:54:01 how much is airstrike doing on average at 100 power 23:54:35 if we do assume half, which seems possible, then it does IMB damage when hitting flying creatures, and about 2/3rds that otherwise 23:54:42 fuck if I'm going to re-run those numbers though 23:55:33 -!- SkiChan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:56:15 k, that's fine 23:56:39 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev