00:00:04 according to that cao was first 00:00:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:00:18 ty 00:00:26 rast: Also, CAO is run by a woman. 00:00:34 right, i know 00:01:18 Apparently CAO was originally run from and MIT subdomain, which is kind of ccool. 00:01:50 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-b1-39-gdb6f4b2 00:08:59 !lastseen grunt 00:09:16 !lastseen Grunt 00:09:24 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:46 !seen Grunt 00:09:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-82-g8db4111 (34) 00:09:46 I last saw Grunt at Mon Apr 7 01:07:56 2014 UTC (4h 1m 50s ago) saying '!lg * nostalgia om / title=Ogre_Mage' on ##crawl. 00:10:38 o 00:10:42 ty 00:12:38 -!- wat1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:20:00 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:08 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:28 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:29:33 -!- wat2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:39 -!- geekosaur has quit [Ping 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should there be a warning before reading ?vuln with tempflight over lava/deep water? 10:02:04 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:02:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:55 Considering that "vulnerability" is not immediately obvious as being "mass dispel magic", probably. 10:04:34 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 10:05:11 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:08:43 I'm about to leave for the day, but wanted to check: are there any major issues we know of that need fixing before 0.14 releases? 10:09:03 I'd love to figure out #8357 if possible, and maybe apply #8358, but other than that I can't think of anything. 10:09:07 vinestalkers still look like trolls 10:09:10 that's a big one 10:10:14 i think it was suggested a while ago not to enable translations by default in the actual release, since so many of them are either very incomplete or not-great-quality or both 10:10:44 i have no clue how many/which translations this is true for though 10:10:58 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:11:23 the only thing about translations that annoys me is the fact at no point am i asked if i actually want to use a translation 10:11:27 (i don't) 10:11:48 also someone should play through the tutorial and check it still makes sense 10:12:45 ideally hints mode and the manual could do with a pass too but i am fairly burned out on that after all the descs, maybe i'll check the tutorial in a bit 10:14:02 I had the impression that the idea is enabling translations for trunk on the servers and disabling them for the release builds 10:14:37 yeah, that sounds sensible to me at least 10:14:50 postponing the question which translations are good enough to be enabled for a release to a later date 10:15:47 Summons of slimified enemies remain & remain hostile by PleasingFungus 10:17:34 oh we both resolved that as duplicate at the same time, nice 10:18:50 haha 10:18:58 oh he did report it 10:19:00 I thought he didn't 10:19:03 I said, "didn't I see this issue reported recently?" and looked at what you did with 8362 and 10:19:11 oops 10:19:22 (also you did a more thorough job than I did <_<) 10:20:52 not sure it's even necessarily a bug i guess 10:21:08 it's a weird behavior 10:21:10 or at least it is consistent with other ways of polymorphing/changing attitudes of summoners 10:21:27 other polymorphs and attitude changes are temporary. except pacification I guess 10:21:31 idk what interaction that has 10:22:20 the same iirc 10:23:14 hm. it feels weird that permanently getting rid of a summoner by killing or banishing him takes out his summons, but sliming/pacifiying doesn't? idk tho 10:25:17 (when are you going to replace two tiles) 10:31:40 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-83-ge40004f: Don't let monster Formicids throw large rocks either 10(22 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e40004f0ac7c 10:32:10 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:48 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:36:03 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I'll think a bit about whether there is a reasonable way of improving the poison calculation without risking breaking something major 10:45:56 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:34 elliptic: thanks! 10:47:20 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:49 Grunt: btw, there was some talk the other day that letting @ display negative values for poison_survival might be good... what are your thoughts about including that in 0.14? 10:47:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:40 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:49:35 elliptic: if we're doing it at all, it should be in 0.14 - better to introduce everything related to detpois all at once. 10:49:49 * Grunt is gone. 10:50:18 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:01 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:09 Grunt disappears in a puff of smoke! 10:58:12 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:02:55 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:47 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-b1-39-gdb6f4b2 11:06:45 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:11:35 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:12:25 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:35 "and your ability to use thiefly skills such as backstabbing and disarming traps." 11:12:39 good manual text 11:13:23 also "your general effectiveness with missile weapons" really since in some cases str is actually better than dex for ranged? 11:13:58 s/some/all 11:14:57 not all 11:15:08 oh, not blowguns 11:15:14 dex has a larger effect on delay for slings and bows too 11:15:26 yes but the effect on delay is not anywhere near as important as the effect on damage 11:15:32 and str doesn't always increase damage, because of caps 11:15:58 yes, this is a situation where i just lie to players because it is simple and they will not misunderstancxd 11:16:02 wow good "cxd" 11:16:24 and the reality is complicated and the gains not that much higher 11:17:52 anyway I think it is fine if the manual says that dex has some effect on using missile weapons, since it does... it should just also say that about str 11:18:33 i'll just say that str and dex increase melee/ranged damage and ranged delay 11:18:41 if that sounds fine? 11:21:24 dex doesn't actually increase ranged damage at all (aside from lowering delay) 11:21:42 and increasing accuracy I guess but that effect is really negligible 11:21:42 misled by the manual 11:21:55 IMO put this in the manual: 11:21:58 ??launcher damage 11:21:58 launcher damage[1/4]: Average damage = (B/2 + L/8 + A/16 + min((str - 10)*(2B+A)*C, (L+1)/4))*(1+skill/D)*(brand multiplier) + slaying/4 + A/2 + (L/2 if using xbow). Here A is min(3, skill/3), L is the launcher enchantment, and B, C, and D are constants depending on what type of launcher you are using (see [2]). 11:22:00 (don't do this) 11:22:40 basically str increases damage for all non-crossbow ranged combat 11:22:59 and delay is mainly str for crossbows, mainly dex for other launcher 11:23:00 s 11:23:38 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:24:52 " (many elven pieces of armour boost stealth, while heavy armours hamper it)." 11:24:53 mmm 11:25:52 oh good mention of Pray status 11:26:49 technically it still exists! 11:26:56 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:27:17 additionally, for 11:27:17 those who worship the Shining One, monsters whom it would be unchivalric to 11:27:17 attack have their name and effect status coloured red. Within target mode you 11:27:17 can directly target single monsters by use of the monster list. Use 'Ctrl-L' to 11:27:17 toggle this. 11:27:42 wow i did not know this 11:27:44 also a thing that exists, yes 11:27:50 i tried to use it a few times 11:28:11 it seemed like it would be useful in theory but it turned out not to be 11:29:50 the red colouring thing doesn't seem to be true though 11:33:22 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:30 nice the tutorial doesn't even load currently 11:33:46 because it attempts to start you as a fighter with a mace 11:34:26 huh, apparently delete was at one point a synonym for '.' and 's' 11:36:29 good bug 11:37:15 -!- confidenceinterv has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:37:23 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:39:22 wow there's water in the tutorial, is this new 11:39:25 -!- sanka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:39:31 i learned that i can walk through shallow but not deep water! 11:48:14 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:08 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:18 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:58:36 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:46 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-b1-39-gdb6f4b2 12:04:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:16:03 -!- Blazinghand|Work is now known as Blazinghand 12:17:38 -!- Vidiny has quit [Client Quit] 12:17:49 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-83-ge40004f (34) 12:25:46 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:08 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:31:23 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:07 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:38:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:42:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:18 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:47:40 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:33 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:48:48 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:54:48 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:55:23 -!- Cabadath has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:41 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 12:58:19 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:17 03elliptic02 07* 0.15-a0-84-g1c17d5d: Apply poison damage after regeneration, and don't penalize slow movement. 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c17d5d9f770 13:00:17 03elliptic02 07* 0.15-a0-85-gd827497: Improve poison_survival() a bit. 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 34+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d827497410ed 13:00:17 03elliptic02 07* 0.15-a0-86-gda4a099: Let @ (and lua) display negative values for poison_survival(). 10(5 minutes ago, 4 files, 7+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=da4a0999e328 13:00:18 Cherry-picked 3 commits into stone_soup-0.14 13:00:42 "although those who enter the dungeon 13:00:42 without magical skills must first train at least one magic skill before they 13:00:42 can learn any spells." 13:00:47 when was this changed, anyway? 13:01:44 maybe search the git logs for the word "train"? 13:02:18 %git ee84c39204 13:02:18 07kilobyte02 * 0.10-a0-2029-gee84c39: Revert "It's now possible to get level 1 Spellcasting just by reading scrolls". 10(2 years, 5 months ago, 3 files, 0+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ee84c3920407 13:02:25 it was somewhere close to there 13:03:45 ok, so not as outdated as i was expecting 13:06:17 I think I'm going to rebuild all the servers that I can with those poison changes right now to maximize the chances that bugs are found before release 13:06:19 ??rebuild 13:06:20 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 13:08:43 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-86-gda4a099 (34) 13:08:58 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-86-gda4a099 (34) 13:09:53 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-b1-42-g210b626 13:10:40 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-b1-42-g210b626 13:13:28 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:33 -!- orcus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:13:58 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-86-gda4a099 (34) 13:15:34 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:13 i wonder if anyone has used the non-default values for target_unshifted_dirs or default_target in years 13:18:32 ??options 13:18:33 rcfile[1/3]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt;hb=HEAD 13:18:33 i think they are on a bunch of lists of options to remove 13:19:26 yeah, they look like good ones to remove 13:20:13 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:20:48 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-b1-42-g210b626 13:21:36 CLN loses the rebuild race by a lot, btw 13:23:57 did you start them all at the same time? 13:24:44 all within a minute at least (first trunk, then 0.14 after I noticed trunk had finished) 13:25:00 I don't know whether they all had as much to rebuild 13:25:13 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:25:19 i.e. what commit they were on previously 13:25:29 so it could have been an unfair race 13:25:50 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:28:07 ??ax-crawl 13:28:07 I don't have a page labeled ax-crawl in my learndb. 13:28:09 huh 13:30:45 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-87-gd7d467d: Fix the tutorial not loading 10(74 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d7d467d43159 13:30:45 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-88-g530a45b: Fix some tutorial/hint messages 10(71 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=530a45b4cd11 13:30:45 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-89-g0c82b0b: Don't set the default language to system locale for stable versions 10(67 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c82b0b28da8 13:30:45 Cherry-picked 3 commits into stone_soup-0.14 13:31:41 the tutorial was surprisingly non-outdated this time! haven't looked at hints mode properly though 13:31:54 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-86-gda4a099 (34) 13:32:14 non-outdated aside from my having broken it for a few months with nobody noticing, you mean? :P 13:32:39 yes there was that minor problem :P 13:32:49 nice 13:33:29 hopefully our goal at this point is a wednesday or thursday release? 13:33:56 -!- Akien has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:59 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:18 also, has anyone asked Nap kin recently about getting 0.14 on CDO? 13:38:52 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-b1-45-gfd36cc2 13:39:36 huh 13:39:47 does the delete key work for anyone else to rest for a turn? 13:40:57 <|amethyst> only if I have numlock on so it's the . key instead 13:41:14 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:17 i guess that's why it wasn't working, i don't have a numpad 13:41:32 (right now it's not working since my delete key just plain broke) 13:41:33 <|amethyst> yeah, the non-keypad delete key doesn't do it for me 13:46:16 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49:11 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: BRB, DEAD] 13:52:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:52:49 -!- DrKe2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:13 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:59:12 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:41 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:00:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:08 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:12:13 -!- Keskitalo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:17:39 <|amethyst> umm 14:17:42 <|amethyst> well crap :) 14:19:00 cat on keyboard, right 14:20:00 <|amethyst> yes 14:21:00 -!- PleasingFungus [~chatzilla@50-201-58-234-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:00 wimpy cat! 14:24:00 what's the official term for a tile? an AuS? [Arbitrary Unit of Space] or an AuD [Arbitrary Unit of Distance]? or? 14:25:00 probably 'a tile' 14:26:00 tile/square 14:26:00 <|amethyst> cell 14:26:00 <|amethyst> e.g. struct map_cell 14:26:00 <|amethyst> (or tile or square or place or location) 14:27:00 yeh, I wasn't referring to source, knowing crawl it's got 20 different names for it :p 14:27:00 <|amethyst> If you're talking about distance, you must specify Euclidean or Manhattan 14:28:00 (also, ob squarelos rant) 14:28:00 (just to get that out of the way and drop it :p_ 14:29:00 |amethyst we don't use Manhattan we use Chebyshev. 14:29:00 -!- dtsund [~dtsund@s81-236-68-64.trico.az.wi-power.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:30:00 <|amethyst> oh, right 14:31:00 <|amethyst> 1, infinity, same thing, right? 14:31:00 Are the Formacid monsters staying in? ...IMO they aren't terrible, but they are basically Spider-unique Ogres and pretty weak for when you face them. 14:33:00 I thought most of the formicids were already gone 14:34:00 They might be; they aren't in my trunk, but I haven't updated in weeks. 14:35:00 most of the removals are somewhat recent, so you may well have missed it if you haven't updated 14:36:00 %git :/formicid 14:36:00 gammafunk * 0.14-a0-3616-g4aa1939: Remove formicid venom mages and an associated vault (9 days ago, 11 files, 1+ 66-) http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4aa19395a871 14:36:00 example 14:39:00 I do think Spider could use more variety, especially since...every other lair branch just got some and it didn't; but those Fo didn't add much. Now that Snake is Poison/Fire (Salamanders)...maybe Spider should be poison/ice? or poison/elec? I do like current spider monsters, but it's pretty monotonous; outside of the end vault. 14:39:00 I kinda think elec would piss a bunch of people off... besides snake has that already (shock serpents) 14:40:00 ice could fly but overlaps with at least one swamp ending 14:40:00 -!- evilmike [~evilmike@d50-92-41-73.bchsia.telus.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:00 -!- mode/##crawl-dev [+v evilmike] by ChanServ 14:40:00 (also with Ilsuiw in Shoals) 14:42:00 Since they are getting more different and not just 'two poison'; 'two water' anymore...what if it went to any 2 of the four, instead of 1 of [Swamp, Shoals]; 1 of [Spider, Snake]? 14:43:00 to me, one of the reasons for the current setup is that I never liked getting both water branches in one game 14:44:00 A Mf, Octopode or Fedhasite might. 14:46:00 spider's already got demonic crawlers... maybe something can be done with aboms? 14:47:00 or some abom/crawler hybrid 14:47:00 They are REALLY different though [Shoals/Swamp]; both have a little ice Bog Bodies and Aquamancer's Throw Icicle; but Shoals is mostly ranged and reaching attacks and the water being used against you...where swamp is more undead/vampiric and general melee with poison. 14:48:00 I'd halfway say Swamp is more similar to Spider; than Naga is to Spider anymore. 14:48:00 Oh unrelated; but you reminded me. 14:50:00 What if Ghost Moths were given rTorm (like Demonic Crawlers) and all instances of Lorocyproca were replaced with Ghost Moths? 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You apologize. 17:20:00 -!- dtsund [~dtsund@s81-236-68-64.trico.az.wi-power.com] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:20:00 -!- blabber [~tobi@188-193-193-56-dynip.superkabel.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:26:00 _j - 24 simethicone gelcaps 17:32:00 -!- Bloaxor [~Bloax@0158800361.0.fullrate.dk] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:00 -!- Bloax [~Bloax@0158800361.0.fullrate.dk] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:00 -!- wheals [~wheals@2601:a:2f80:660:224:d6ff:fe8d:506c] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:00 -!- mode/##crawl-dev [+v wheals] by ChanServ 17:36:00 Anyway, I'm likely to do the release on Wednesday if nothing hugely significant crops up between now and then. 17:41:00 huh 17:41:00 the logs seem to be missing most of today 17:42:00 -!- djinni [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:42:00 -!- ivan``_ [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 17:42:00 there's been some freenode instability 17:45:00 -!- CKyle [~kylefox@128.148.186.16] has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:47:00 -!- djinni [~djinni@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:00 -!- ivan`` [~ivan@li125-242.members.linode.com] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:00 -!- ivan`` [~ivan@li125-242.members.linode.com] has quit [Changing host] 17:48:00 -!- ivan`` [~ivan@unaffiliated/ivan/x-000001] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:49:00 -!- debo [~anonymous@108.175.231.122] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:52:00 -!- abruptdecay [42394f55@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.57.79.85] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:00 -!- abruptdecay [42394f55@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.57.79.85] has quit [Client Quit] 17:58:00 -!- Akien [~akien@ip-247.net-82-216-244.rev.numericable.fr] has quit [Quit: Quitte] 18:06:00 -!- ontoclasm [~Samuel@cpe-70-112-253-178.austin.res.rr.com] has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:00 -!- mode/##crawl-dev [+v ontoclasm] by ChanServ 18:09:00 <|amethyst> oh 18:11:00 -!- Cheibriados [~Cheibriad@server1.pikicentral.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:10:32 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:32 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 18:10:32 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 18:10:50 rip 4 hours 18:11:06 <|amethyst> let me see 18:11:11 rip 18:11:12 ۰۰-- Cheibriados [~Cheibriad@server1.pikicentral.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12:00 ۰۰-- CKyle [~kylefox@pool-100-40-19-7.prvdri.fios.verizon.net] has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:54 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:54 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 18:17:55 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 18:18:23 <|amethyst> fixed mostly 18:19:46 <|amethyst> . 18:19:54 -!- |amethyst has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:20:11 -!- darktwinge has quit [] 18:21:15 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:17 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:24:42 -!- Scytale has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:26:03 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:27:07 -!- trystero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:27:11 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Screenies/TheLairXPERIENCE.png hello lair 18:28:41 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:29:51 (just in case you guys were needing silly screenshots) 18:31:20 -!- Vidiny has quit [] 18:32:40 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:55 -!- SkiChan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:34:53 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 18:38:14 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 18:42:17 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:43:15 -!- raskol_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:43:26 MarvinPA: i like the locale thing for stable, it's very appropriate 18:53:49 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:39 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 18:59:59 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 19:02:48 It looks to me like which abilities the player has are regenerated every time something needs to determine what abilities the player has; so, abilities are never "removed" from a player, instead, whatever would cause the functions that list abilities to list those abilities is removed. Do I have that right? 19:03:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 19:03:08 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:04:07 <|amethyst> Lasty1: I believe that is the case, yes 19:04:13 thanks! 19:05:35 <|amethyst> Lasty1: in particular, your_talents 19:05:44 <|amethyst> Lasty1: but also various other things in ability.cc 19:06:11 also get_god_abilities(), right? 19:06:30 <|amethyst> yes, your_talents calls that 19:06:38 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:53 -!- Hirsch_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:06:55 If I want to store data about the state if a god, where's the best place to store that? 19:07:00 Oh, I should check Xom 19:07:48 <|amethyst> You might need a second, writable, table, like Ability_List 19:08:32 <|amethyst> so that get_ability_def has something to return a reference into, that can be adjusted for the ability's current name 19:12:22 I'm not sure I understand. This second table would be a companion to Ability_List that gets appended to Ability_List, but which would hold the current abilities set by the god (apart from piety-dependent ones), right? 19:12:31 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:38 -!- SublimeSnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:13:33 -!- Hirsch__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:14:29 Oh, I think I see: you're thinking that I'd be changing the name of certain abilities over time? 19:16:43 <|amethyst> Yeah 19:17:03 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:21 <|amethyst> If you're going to have one enumerator per possible ability and just change which abilities you get at different piety points, then get_god_abilities is fine 19:18:22 I was thinking that I'd set up separate abilities for each form of sacrifice and store which ones are currently available somewhere (you.available_sacrifices?) 19:19:30 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:21:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:21:50 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:22:34 -!- pisano1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:24:44 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:08 -!- mk83 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:28:15 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:00 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:30:08 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 19:32:24 -!- Nethris has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:32:45 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:13 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:34:16 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:58 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:36:54 -!- Eonwe5 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:37:35 ontoclasm: so how goes 19:37:43 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:37:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:53 -!- reaverb1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:41:10 I often hear that no one uses dragon form because of the lack of defenses...is the spell itself inherently bad and in need of changing? 19:45:03 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:25 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:48:17 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:08 -!- SublimeSnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:55:21 -!- raskol_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:56:22 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 19:59:26 Cabadeth: It's quite good. 20:06:28 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:06:47 is it enough better than blade hands to make up for the lack of AC/EV and the highest spell level. I mean it does have good dam and rule of cool, but... 20:08:36 -!- Guest56682 is now known as ChrisOelmueller 20:09:07 -!- ChrisOelmueller is now known as Guest99884 20:09:36 -!- jeanjacques_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:42 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:33 It's slightly better. 20:11:45 So probably not, unless you really need the HP. 20:12:05 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:12:05 -!- jeanjacques_ is now known as jeanjacques 20:12:37 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all!] 20:13:21 -!- Guest99884 is now known as ChrisOelmueller 20:13:38 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:16:24 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:24 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 20:16:24 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:24 -!- reign_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:19:48 -!- Klightning has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:21:38 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:27:58 -!- Stendhal is now known as Zilis 20:28:53 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34:48 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 20:36:20 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:37:02 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:02 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:40:33 I think there is room for more transmutations spells; if only because it's the smallest spellschool now (though poison is close)...but I'm not sure what more forms would add, unless they were either different elements/different UC brands (not as powerful in DAM as blade hands, but having a brand, like ice form does); or had a different benefit related to something other than melee, like increased MP generation or increased RANGED da 20:42:22 -!- thromnambular has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:43:12 imo “rocket form” 20:44:51 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:46:13 -!- reaverb1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:46:15 Cabadath: Something else but damage would be optimal. 20:47:39 “ring form” — you can’t move, but you seduce monsters into picking you up and then you corrupt them and take over their minds 20:48:03 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:20 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:48:47 you also make them call you their precious 20:48:51 because you're just into that 20:49:16 Bloax: see poschengband for details 20:49:17 it does exactly that :D 20:49:34 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:51:43 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:54:34 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 20:57:56 -!- Watball has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:58:07 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:40 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/playerweaponsarewussy.png is this a big sword 21:02:46 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:03:04 -!- Adeon_ is now known as Adeon 21:12:43 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:28 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:19:54 -!- eb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:54 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:25:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:27:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:27:36 -!- Cabadath has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:27:44 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:27:47 -!- fungee has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:33:45 -!- raskol_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:17 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 21:35:35 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:38:05 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:25 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 21:40:59 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:53:10 -!- eb has joined ##crawl-dev 21:56:06 -!- sd1989 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:56:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:56:58 !messages 21:56:58 No messages for sd1989. 21:57:08 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:58:53 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:02:15 -!- MgDark_MiBe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:03:11 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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