00:00:08 would you accept "Losing flight right now..."? 00:01:00 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-b1-27-g878f2f4 00:01:11 sounds fine 00:01:21 ok. building modified patch 00:01:32 or I could just make a third patch 00:01:44 that'd probably be simpler, I guess 00:02:01 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 00:03:29 ideally combine the first two patches in that patch 00:04:10 can do 00:06:01 i see, you can't use is_feat_dangerous for this since it checks for flight 00:06:56 which is unfortunate, since it's identical code otherwise 00:07:02 there's probably a refactoring that could be done... 00:07:12 pulling out that parenthetical bloc 00:07:47 "is_feat_likeable()" 00:07:48 ;) 00:08:23 oh god damn it, I just realized I no longer check for quiet 00:08:30 okay. one more fix. 00:09:06 Move player enchantment handling from main.cc to a seperate file. by Reaver 00:10:01 ^ Should probably be looked at soon, because it simpilfies where player enchantments are and so if somebody wants to add an echantment it will have to be updated. 00:11:39 PleasingFungus: Could you attach a single patch file with all the commits? It's easier to handle. I can delete the other old patches for you. 00:11:41 the joy... of rebasing... will soon be yours! 00:11:44 reaverb: I did 00:11:49 it's the last one 00:12:19 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=5744&type=bug 00:13:11 PleasingFungus: So you want me o delete all those patches except for the one whcih ends in 3 and the lava orc one? 00:13:16 s/o/to 00:13:22 all of them except the one that ends in 3 00:13:28 it includes the lorc one 00:13:48 Ok 00:14:01 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 00:15:31 lava orc patches? :o 00:15:54 lava orcs will no longer be warned when removing flight equipment over lava! 00:16:14 awesome 00:16:28 this is because lava orcs are being removed 00:16:33 no more warnings about anything, now 00:16:48 Eronara: Somebody confused me for a dev today : ) 00:16:56 Eronarn 00:17:42 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-61-g63a2329: Remove scrambling. 10(18 minutes ago, 17 files, 49+ 149-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63a232999fb6 00:17:42 03PleasingFungus02 {wheals} 07* 0.15-a0-62-g456bd4e: Make lava (& deep water) lethal 10(73 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=456bd4e601be 00:21:08 reaverb: being confused as a dev is the first step to becoming a dev 00:21:26 Eronarn: yeah! 00:21:42 It's actually happened before on the Tavern, but that doesn't really count. 00:21:58 Eronarn: Do you know if anybody on the team is particularly concerned with clear code? 00:22:18 dolorous is gone now, right 00:22:24 |amethyst 00:22:31 kilobyte sometimes 00:22:52 Eronarn: dolorous and kilobyte are gone currently. 00:23:11 Well kilobyte's still monitoring this channel, but he temporarily left the project. 00:24:04 i don't think anyone really likes obfuscated C code, those are just the people i can think of that have made it a point to improve it 00:24:24 <|amethyst> MarvinPA 00:25:57 Basically I have a patch that I think will rot if it doesn't get pushed soon (#8355) and I don't know if there's a way to make sure it doesn't die like that. 00:26:15 It's a lot of lines because it's splitting some code off of main.cc 00:26:40 lots of things take a long time to get done 00:28:16 i have patches that are several years old that aren't in yet, so don't sweat it 00:29:47 Eronarn: Yes, I think I have a patch over a year old somewhere on mantis. It was more firmly dismissed, though. 00:29:48 rebasing is a thing that happens 00:29:57 it can be painful but you will survive! 00:30:05 lava orc rebasing was just about the worst 00:30:17 i had to do so much of it manually 00:30:45 you can't outrun the impaler in water 00:31:08 walk away. it can guess wher eyou are 00:31:15 fuck wrong channel 00:32:11 Eronarn: Yes, the only thing I can think of that might produce a code modifiction effort of that magnitude is sombody wants to import something from Crawl Light. 00:35:08 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:37:10 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:23 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:40:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:45:03 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:45:33 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:25 No complaining; I have to do that *all the time* when importing stuff from Stone Soup. 00:48:06 what's with removing scrabbling 00:48:25 scrabble is for nerds 00:49:17 wheals: scrabble is fun. 00:49:19 scrapple is for hicks 00:50:01 hicks? Somehow I cannot imagine somebody playing scrabble in a trailer park. 00:50:45 scrapple != scrabble 00:51:48 Oh, didn't notice that. Thanks dtsund 00:52:56 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:56:08 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:56:44 Eronarn: are you the person to ask lava orc questions of? 00:57:12 ok, why did whatever got removed get removed 00:57:22 did you look at the commit message 00:57:23 because 00:57:25 that was the reason 00:57:44 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63a232999fb6 00:58:13 PleasingFungus: i mean, i wrote 'em; i don't really 'do' crawl nowadays 00:58:15 oh 00:58:29 i would be glad to give pointers on where they were headed or stuff i've tried that didn't work 00:58:39 I was wondering what the intended interaction between lava orcs, lichform (or iceform or w/e), and lava was 00:59:02 there seems to be code that's intended to make lava orcs not lavaproof while transmuted 00:59:04 but 00:59:05 it doesn't work 00:59:26 hot lava orcs shouldn't be able to become ice or stone 00:59:56 ice or stone lava orcs should turn hot when they enter lava (this may not be accounted for properly) 00:59:56 yeah that works 01:00:03 that also works 01:00:04 and this should end the tmut 01:00:13 ok 01:00:18 lichform lava orcs, i don't know that i explicitly handled 01:00:24 but it would make sense that they remain lavaproof 01:00:26 hm. 01:00:46 remains of lava creatures are still lavaproof, one assumes 01:00:58 really you could argue it either way and it's not gonna come up too often anyway 01:01:00 so w/e 01:01:10 i think there are larger problems with lorcs than this :P 01:01:18 haha yeah I'm just trying to retain compatibility 01:01:24 with current behavior 01:01:29 I'm making lavawalking boot fixedarts 01:01:46 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:01:49 and that involves touching a lot of lorc related code, for obvious reasons 01:01:49 what about putting that on salamander armor instead 01:02:01 that could be cool 01:02:08 hm 01:02:10 ??salamander hide 01:02:10 salamander hide armour[1/1]: A +3 leather armour, rF++, evocable berserk. 01:02:14 well, the code is going to be similar regardless 01:02:24 I'll finish up writing this 01:02:52 then I can put it on salamander hide instead, if people think that's cooler 01:02:52 i guess this will make lorcs even harder to roll back, haha 01:02:52 probably someone should actually fix them... 01:03:02 well, the main problem is the tension mechanic, right? 01:03:15 since it wasn't designed for the purpose, and encourages dumb stuff like kiting while you build heat... 01:03:53 a lot of the replacement suggestions have basically the same problems though 01:04:08 yeah it's not a simple thing to fix 01:04:18 the idea has always been that you should rarely be at high temperature, and you should have dramatic gameplay effects from it, not just buffs 01:04:30 for example, mesmerizing was one potential max temp effect 01:04:36 can't run away 01:04:41 huh 01:04:51 did you see the smith god someone made? 01:05:43 heard about it but didn't see a link 01:06:17 there were a couple of variants. part of the idea behind it was to pull lorc/djinn gimmicks into a god 01:06:27 5* ability was 'magma fortress' or something like that, gave you temp lava form 01:07:03 also there was a bunch of other shit like burning enemies by firebranding their weapons & letting ogres wear metal armor, but that's not so relevant 01:07:14 sounds very tavern 01:07:16 haha 01:07:18 yeah 01:07:25 idk I never tried it myself. maybe it was really cool 01:07:38 haven't heard anything about it recently so I think maybe not. 01:08:40 i think lorcs primarily just need someone to decide on what their 'bar' mechanic is going to be 01:08:46 whether it's tension, or HP loss, or whatever 01:09:04 and to pin a max value on that bar, so that abilities can be set based on that 01:09:14 there are so many abilities proposed/tried for them, coming up with new ones is not a problem 01:09:18 haha 01:09:23 yeah. if someone put a gun to my head and forced me to redesign lorcs, I'd probably key them off hp 01:09:31 since that seems like a better indication of danger than HD of nearby enemies 01:09:44 well tension takes into account more than HD 01:10:02 the problem is, that means good play discourages actually seeing lorc gimmicks 01:10:02 for instance, status effects, nearby allies, some monsters with special-cased dangerous abilities 01:10:18 still, though. 01:10:52 also tension does take into account HP proportion, too 01:12:31 but again it encourages things like seeing a hydra, backing up until you're at high tension, then blasting it or w/e 01:12:39 hmm 01:12:45 I wonder if it can be turned upside down 01:12:55 I guess maybe that's more a problem with the fixed slow build/turn thing 01:12:57 this is primarily a problem because temperature is not bounded by tension 01:13:12 even a little bit of tension will easily get you to max temperature; it will just take longer 01:13:13 Start fired up, then you cool down for reasons 01:13:20 then again, ?RC might be annoying 01:13:22 that's why i wanted to try out exponential decay on lorcs 01:13:43 but, any kind of change like that, why bother making it without building in a way to systematically monitor how it performs across games? 01:13:45 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:14:08 and we don't have a great way to collect a metric across an entire game like that 01:14:12 and nobody is interested in coding it 01:14:41 :( 01:14:44 Ah well. 01:14:54 darn devs 01:15:29 'combo points' might be a simpler metric 01:15:36 Eronarn: To clarify, would that be for making the ability work, or so "we" can get data for fine-tuning? 01:15:45 lose 1 per turn, gain 1 per attack action, gain 1 per kill 01:15:55 Basil: the latter. i already coded exponential decay 01:16:15 though it didn't get merged due to some code quality issues 01:16:40 -!- eki has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:16:43 would be quite easy to merge just the formula change parts in though (they were bundled up with some other refactoring) 01:16:52 combos would be cool. like song of slaying, but something that people would actually use 01:17:10 You loudly get fired up. You hear a shout! x7 01:17:50 yeah one could envision a lorc where temperature is a combo point system, and maybe even they get activated racials that cost temperature 01:18:01 you hear an angry buzzing noise! x24 01:18:13 like fire breath that costs temperature+breath, and deals damage according to temperature 01:18:34 that could be cool. maybe gets more abilities as it levels? 01:18:43 and/or a higher temp cap 01:18:53 i had wanted them to be more of a passive ability race, though, because they have so many gimmicks 01:19:00 which is why i didn't opt for any actives 01:19:05 hmm 01:19:06 reasonable 01:19:19 they actually used to have more passives, even, and gradually lost them 01:19:20 Active abilities that decrease temperature would reduce the pain of noscrolls somewhat 01:19:59 ...they have scrollcons 01:20:10 oh right no scroll use 01:20:12 I'm dumb 01:20:17 noscrolls is supposed to be painful 01:20:30 high temperature should be rare and very, very noticable 01:20:30 Yes 01:20:58 "reducing the pain" would be a bad thing I think 01:21:13 yeah if anything they are too easy 01:21:17 at high temp 01:21:31 they should actually play differently when they are hot, not just 'better' 01:22:01 Slowmovement from their legs turning to jelly?? 01:22:02 they are easy early on, when you have few scrolls and can't rely on them 01:22:07 mid-late noscrolls gets you killed 01:22:27 giving them damage shaving scaling with temp might be interesting 01:22:43 because they are molten, so they are just all around harder to damage 01:23:05 would that change how they play 01:23:34 depends what they lose to gain that 01:23:57 e.g. if they get too hot to wear armor 01:24:30 i like mesm personally; it's a very powerful effect with sometimes unpredictable consequences 01:25:03 or they could have no potions either (they boil them) 01:25:41 huh. the current player_likes_lava() code is wrong, but not in a way that will ever matter 01:25:47 which is like being right 01:25:55 hmm 01:25:58 No pots and scrolls 01:26:07 god abilities, evokables left 01:26:30 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:27:06 they get too hot for their god to handle 01:27:43 bringing back lava blood might be a good thing 01:27:49 wands too hot; melt or burst into flames on touch 01:27:58 can't cast spells. too hot-blooded 01:28:01 it would be a good excuse to cause a sudden temperature drop 01:28:11 which could allow you to read a scroll or chug a potion 01:28:26 similar sort of thing to jiyva jelly shield; rare that it kicks in, noticable effect 01:28:32 Magma spills from your molten body. The orc warlord falls into the lava! 01:28:33 wheals: look at player_likes_lava() in player.cc 01:29:11 by making temperature likely to swing downwards like that when you get hit for a lot of damage, the game can then make being very hot much riskier 01:29:29 because then the risk really just says you're likely to not be able to read a scroll until you are already in danger 01:30:54 ooh. maybe *reverse* damage shaving when hot 01:31:32 every hit deals a few extra points of damage, and hits above a certain amount will splatter lava blood 01:31:42 which decreases temp 01:31:49 The giant newt hits you. That smarts like hell! 01:32:07 So, what would this lava blood do anyway 01:32:47 they used to have lava blood that kicked in when they bled on a square an enemy was in 01:32:54 dealing heavy AF_MAGMA damage 01:33:15 this was too unreliable though, because it's rare that enemies make you bleed, and it's not super visible when it happens, etc. 01:33:34 this wouldn't be tied to cosmetic blood at all, purely a gameplay effect 01:33:53 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:34:37 hmm 01:34:48 Take away potions in stone form, take away scrolls in magma form 01:34:51 ha ha ha. 01:35:15 the issue i have with that sort of approach is that we already have a stone race, and a stone form, and neither do that 01:35:34 i don't like when abilities are wholly unlike each other despite being described identically 01:35:38 they are obsidian 01:36:02 ??lorc[2 01:36:03 I don't have a page labeled lorc[2] in my learndb. Did you mean: loro, orc, porc. 01:36:09 maybe gargoyles shouldn't have potions 01:36:10 ??lava orc[2 01:36:11 lava orc[2/9]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:species:propose:lava_orc#flavor 01:36:13 gargoyles are kind of strong 01:36:30 mummygoyles 01:36:32 That would instantly take gargoyles from one of the stronger races to a quite weak one 01:36:58 That said, I'm wondering if taking "something" away at low temp would be interesting 01:37:05 NEvermind that, yes, another race has that as an important gimmick 01:37:14 so they play differently at low and high temp 01:37:17 I wasn't entirely serious. 01:37:27 well, I was serious about the 'strong' bit 01:37:30 although that might make temp management a little more fiddly as they try to stay in between extremities 01:37:32 Basil: they used to get -move at low temp, and also they lose their innate stoneskin as they heat up 01:37:49 however they heated up so fast that it was rare you would notice these 01:37:53 and they got +move as they heated up 01:38:03 which made for silly techniques 01:38:05 It's definitely acknowledged that Gr is strong, it's just not universally agreed that it's -too- strong 01:38:38 waddling away from hydras until you can one-shot them with heat or something 01:38:46 That doesn't work any more though, right? 01:39:08 i did kill hydras by standing next to them 01:39:34 Last I remember, they don't take retaliatory damage per head 01:40:58 i think that it would make sense for them to be slow, go up to normal move at medium-high, and go up to fastmove+mesm at high temp 01:41:06 so they can go fast, but only when running at things 01:41:27 and they can't run from fights or even pillar dance easily at all 01:41:53 -!- MgDark_MiBe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:47:24 %git 01:47:24 07PleasingFungus02 {wheals} * 0.15-a0-62-g456bd4e: Make lava (& deep water) lethal 10(3 hours ago, 2 files, 7+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=456bd4e601be 01:51:16 oh man 01:51:28 Eronarn: did you know that lava orcs can swim in lava as any form, including pigs? 01:51:39 nope, that rules tho 01:51:43 I'm uploading a patch in a moment 01:51:50 burning bush... 01:51:54 hahaha 01:52:04 trees may be an exception, I'm not sure 01:52:20 lava spiders would be a good enemy imo 01:52:20 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:52:37 oh, is it because it just checks form_likes_lava() 01:52:59 but shapechanging is terrible, it's unsurprising there are bugs 01:53:10 oh nvm, the default is you.form 01:53:16 going to bed, feel free to ping me if you have questions though 01:54:41 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55:02 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:55:28 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Night all] 01:57:00 wheals: bug report just went up 01:57:05 with an attached patch 01:57:14 chei should speak up any minute now 01:58:25 !bug 8356 01:58:26 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8356 01:58:46 don't all forms automatically melt back? 01:58:55 nope 01:58:58 try necromut 01:59:09 Lava orcs are always lava-immune, even in non-lava-immune forms by PleasingFungus 01:59:14 hm. actually, let me double check - it's late... 01:59:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:59:25 yep, they don't 02:01:06 the relevant code seems to be in, uh, mon-stuff.cc, temperature_changed() 02:01:18 and specifically and exclusively handles TRAN_ICE_BEAST and TRAN_STATUE 02:01:42 enter lava, instantly hit max temp, transformation goes away 02:02:22 kind of silly that the temp system still works when you're a fungus or w/e but hey 02:02:48 why is this in mon-stuff.cc 02:02:57 that is a very good question 02:02:59 couldn't it at least be in stuff.cc 02:03:17 ask eronarn! 02:03:19 who just went to bed 02:04:16 03PleasingFungus02 {wheals} 07* 0.15-a0-63-gaa0591c: Fix lava orc form check code 10(29 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa0591cf3b99 02:04:17 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.14 02:05:49 in retrospect, I should have probably added a description to the boots of flying patch. 02:05:51 ah well 02:06:35 Will someone die? 02:07:05 Oh, description 02:07:42 well, the last time I got a code change into crawl, someone drowned 02:07:51 tonight I got two code changes in, both lava-related 02:07:59 so I'm hopeful! 02:08:25 btw, thank you for the quick response, wheals. makes me feel appreciated 02:08:36 actually, i'm not sure that the latter patch is really right 02:08:40 !lg 4tharraofdagon place=abyss vmsg=~drown 02:08:41 No games for 4tharraofdagon (place=abyss vmsg=~drown). 02:08:46 !lg 4tharraofdagon place=abyss lo 02:08:47 2. 4tharraofdagon the Chopper (L6 LOBe of Trog), quit the game on Abyss:1 on 2013-10-09 10:27:32, with 485 points after 882 turns and 0:04:48. 02:08:50 plausible. what in particular are you concerned about? 02:09:01 !lg 4tharraofdagon place=abyss lo -2 02:09:02 it makes sense that lava orcs can go in lava no matter what, doesn't it? 02:09:02 1/2. 4tharraofdagon the Slayer (L14 LOBe of Trog), quit the game on Abyss:1 on 2013-10-04 17:26:26, with 68233 points after 8292 turns and 1:20:07. 02:09:12 i don't see why being a lich would prevent them 02:09:16 as long as they have the heat system, they might as well 02:09:22 Death to supposedly nonlethal poison by minmay 02:09:28 in which case you want to change form_likes_lava() 02:09:29 but i guess it doesn't really matter 02:09:31 to just check lorc 02:09:41 well, ok 02:09:48 oh nice. I think I got DBRO set up using most of the basic dgamelaunch install scripts 02:09:52 well, it'll be funny if someone was a lich lorc, updates their game, and finds themself unable to move 02:09:54 just thinking in case we add a lava-swmming form later! 02:10:17 well, you'd have to change form_likes_lava() for that anyway. 02:10:19 :) 02:10:32 !lg * lo status~~lich 02:10:32 8. 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-!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:57:38 -!- Lumpydoo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:13:23 !tell dracoomega should mangrove roots be able to work on dragon/bat form? currently they will stay active and stop you flying if they hit you before you transform, but if you transform first they'll never actually affect you 06:13:24 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 06:14:57 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:17:54 !tell dracoomega well actually i guess that is clearly a bug of some sort, but it's unclear whether they're intended to work on forms or if transforming should let you escape once rooted 06:17:55 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 06:34:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:50:19 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:51:18 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:08:35 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:33 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:38 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:01 -!- Scytale 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07:53:02 !tell wheals i refactored temp code to be in its own file later but it didn't get merged 07:53:03 Eronarn: OK, I'll let wheals know. 07:54:00 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:02 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:14:49 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:08 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:22:43 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:00 MarvinPA: Just a note: 08:23:05 !seen DracoOmega 08:23:06 I last saw DracoOmega at Sat Mar 29 13:02:49 2014 UTC (1w 1d 20m 16s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving'. 08:23:10 : ( 08:31:38 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:34:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:36:38 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:43:08 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49:23 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:51:37 Pyridrym (L4 MfIE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:3) 08:51:38 Ozruta (L10 VpEn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:9) 08:51:38 Heini (L11 MiBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 08:51:39 Rewans (L7 DsAK) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Ossuary) 08:51:40 Celsitudo (L11 SpEn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:10) 08:51:43 jike (L11 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:1) 08:51:46 trystero (L17 MiBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Snake:1) 08:54:50 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:04 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:56:27 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:56:47 And hello again. 09:06:03 -!- Rewans has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:12:10 -!- Patashu[Zzz] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:14:19 -!- GDR has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:15:41 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 09:17:18 -!- Isasaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:17:23 -!- Cabadath has joined ##crawl-dev 09:17:43 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:24:09 -!- Nunya has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 09:28:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-64-g1aba86f: Fix Confusing Touch not reducing unarmed damage while transformed 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1aba86f362f3 09:28:22 03PleasingFungus02 {MarvinPA} 07* 0.15-a0-65-g1405c04: Revise various unique descriptions 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 32+ 41-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1405c045eab4 09:28:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-66-g7799525: Add a spell description for Phantom Mirror 10(80 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7799525b8014 09:28:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-67-gf05f597: Improve some spellcasting messages 10(44 minutes ago, 3 files, 10+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f05f59790bec 09:28:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-68-g4516cbe: Make a web message more generic 10(42 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4516cbe78c58 09:28:23 Cherry-picked 5 commits into stone_soup-0.14 09:33:02 * SamB wonders what happens more often on servers: crashes, or builds 09:34:17 crashes, obviously 09:35:51 !lm * cszo crash 09:35:52 1327. [2014-04-05 10:07:19] Wahaha the Impaler (L16 FoFi of Cheibriados) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 611: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster type 1000 (1000) (Swamp:2) 09:36:17 |amethyst: I don't suppose Gretells keep stats on that 09:36:50 cszo doesn't do that much more than 1 build a day on average I guess? 09:36:56 !lm * cszo crash 1 09:36:58 1/1327. [2012-08-14 04:33:40] limetea the Unseen (L14 SpEn of Kikubaaqudgha) ASSERT(item.is valid(iinfo)) in 'tags.cc' at line 2682 failed on turn 20376. (Orc:1) 09:37:08 so probably crashes win 09:37:16 not by a huge amount though 09:37:27 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:38:23 * SamB was wondering if it would be good to have the rebuild script also add a gdb index to the binary 09:42:36 I think Jiangshi should be added to the Yred gift pool. Because, (1) currently Yred doesn't offer any fast monsters and (2) Yred offers the other two player races (mummy and ghoul) but no vampires. 09:43:37 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-69-g5da97b9: Adjust dragon form hit messages 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5da97b904b4f 09:43:37 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.14 09:43:46 2 is not a reason and 1 is also not really a reason and also 2 is flat out wrong anyway 09:44:31 Hey devfolk, I'd like to ask your advice on the god I'm building. The current conception is that it'll periodically offer three choices of sacrifices to make. They have enough ramifications that they probably need some description/help text. I'm thinking of making them into three separate abilities from the (a)bility menu, and changing the titles/descriptions to match the specific sacrifice on offer. 09:45:03 Does that sound like the best implementation, or are there problems with it (translation?) that I haven't fully understood? 09:46:54 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:47:56 Lasty1: That's not quite descriptive enough. Is the Player allowed to chose none? How long do the sacrarifice ability last - until the next offer, after a set time or indefinitely? 09:48:32 the player is allowed to choose none. The offer will eventually be revoked, ideally before the next set is offered 09:48:46 not exactly sure what you're worried about in terms of translations, but using abilities would mean the descriptions would be translatable 09:48:52 2? wrong? ...o_o; Did he stop offer basic mummies as his weakest gift in trunk or something? 09:49:57 using abilities seems like an okay approach to me without really knowing the full details, at least 09:50:46 MarvinPA: I suppose I'd have to set each possible sacrifice up as a separate ability and then switch which exact ones are in the menu; that way each ability will have a formal entry eligible for transifexing, right? (I don't know much about Transifex, so I'm guessing) 09:51:02 right, that's what i assumed you meant 09:51:20 oh i see as opposed to just having say, ABIL_SACRIFICE_1/2/3 09:51:27 yeah 09:51:29 -!- User is now known as Xenobreeder 09:51:51 That does eem like the right way to do it 09:51:54 *seem 09:52:52 thanks 09:54:24 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:58:52 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-70-g321726b: Clean up a check for conjured monsters 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=321726ba14f9 09:58:52 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-71-g20579a2: Don't let Phantom Mirror clone conjured monsters (#8349) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=20579a2dff72 09:58:52 Cherry-picked 2 commits into stone_soup-0.14 09:59:07 oh wait that's wrong 09:59:09 woops 10:00:30 The current design requires that some sacrifices be of the form: sacrifice {one of a,b,c} and one of {d, e, f} and one of {g, h, i}. I'd like to notify the player which of each set is being selected in the ability description, but it seems like that's going to create a translation issue. 10:00:38 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:01:15 Maybe it makes more sense to have a single sacrifice ability with a series of descriptions and prompts, but would that be transifexable? 10:03:35 To add more detail, the a,b,c etc would be spell schools 10:05:38 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:05:40 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:10:07 Does anybody have an opinon on the proper relationship between #8300 and #8357? I maked them as related, but looking at them again they're arguably duplicates. 10:15:40 -!- caleba has quit [Client Quit] 10:17:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:33 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:19:13 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-72-g31e7b32: Fix compilation 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31e7b324c096 10:19:13 Cherry-picked 1 commit into stone_soup-0.14 10:21:56 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:11 MarvinPA: If you're doing a bunch of minor changes I have a couple clean up patches on mantis (#8355 and #8352). At least the first couple commits of #8352 have such trivial changes it's obvious they aren't any bugs, #8355 exports some junk from main.cc into a new file and may or may not be quick to review. 10:26:30 moving a bunch of stuff from main.cc around is probably better off waiting until after 0.14, will maybe take a look at the other one in a bit 10:28:27 MarvinPA: The "after 0.14" thing is a time issue, correct? 10:30:06 It's just weird to hear that because several things have been delayed until "after 0.14" because they're design changes which could drive player away from the torunament, so hearing it for a refactoring doesn't sound right (but I can see why it might need to wait) 10:31:01 for refactoring it is a matter of not wanting to make relatively big changes that might introduce new bugs 10:32:20 MarvinPA: Hmm, I can see the issue. I know the move patch does nothing except move where the code is located, but I can see that can be hard to verify. 10:33:08 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:33:11 reaverb: it is more that we should be concentrating on fixes to 0.14, and code cleanup of this sort isn't something that should be cherry-picked to 0.14 at this point 10:33:33 i.e. the priority currently is making 0.14 as good as possible before release 10:33:47 elliptic: Yes, if either of those patches made it in, I would definetly no support cherry picking them to 0.14. 10:34:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:36:14 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:23 re: fixes to .14, phantom mirror question 10:40:31 should they or should they not be able to follow you upstairs 10:50:25 is there still any rationale for distortion unwield effects? was there ever? 10:51:42