00:00:22 you mean i'll actually have to make TILES=y? :P 00:00:28 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-b1-1-g35596ea 00:01:29 heh 00:01:55 I always do by default, since there are always more bugs in tiles 00:02:02 1learn add tiles 00:02:25 but yeah I have to have a tiles repo, an ascii repo, and a webtiles repo 00:02:46 otherwise I get to rebuild mostly from scratch if I need to check one versus the other 00:03:05 not to mention a full debug tiles repo I keep around, but that doesn't get used much 00:03:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:04:26 Grunt: to make swamp tree tiles look like mangroves, would the swamp layout be the best place to change that? 00:04:51 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-21-g88d8e70: 1.1-style Death's Door. 10(12 minutes ago, 8 files, 32+ 36-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=88d8e707741c 00:04:51 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-22-g2e9a631: Whitespace fix. 10(45 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2e9a6310ee66 00:05:38 gammafunk: presumably tilepick.cc, with a check for the branch? 00:05:40 Someone broke my save in nostalgia 00:05:49 wheals: I think the layout would be cleaner 00:06:07 would have a problem with vaults, though 00:06:08 I demand nostalgia branch save compat 00:06:41 hrm, although I'm not sure if vaults would actually respect that 00:07:00 I should check out the vaults layout to just see 00:08:27 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-5-g2cf134e (34) 00:09:56 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:11:10 gammafunk: Yes 00:11:37 Trees in Swamp are using ordinary tree tiles now. 00:11:50 I just tested it, and !tell 'd ontoclasm. 00:11:54 reaverb: wheals is the one to tell 00:11:57 since he made the commit 00:12:09 !tell wheals wheals removed mangroves and replaced them with trees. However, he didn't handle tiles, so mangroves in the swamp now use the standard tree tiles. 00:12:10 reaverb: OK, I'll let wheals know. 00:12:17 sigh 00:12:18 right here :) 00:12:18 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:14:12 Well I did ask wheals about tiles almost as soon as it happened, so I assumed I needed to !tell him. 00:14:32 sorry, for some reason i assumed i had handled it 00:14:35 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:03 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-6-gb95a691: Make tiles Swamp trees look like mangroves again (gammafunk). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b95a6918a051 00:15:07 it's not a big deal really, but no need to !tell generally if someone is already in the channel 00:15:19 -!- moonprincess has quit [Quit: Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei!] 00:15:37 yeah, I guess that is just tilepick 00:15:39 !tell ontoclasm Never mind, wheals got it. 00:15:39 reaverb: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 00:15:59 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:16:53 surprisingly, i didn't need to handle X] -- it seems that player::where_are_you gets reset 00:17:39 hm, I think this is actually not where we'd want to do it, but only technically 00:17:49 it works for now, at least 00:17:49 gammafunk: Generally I've found to the contrary, that plenty of people completely ignore pings, even when they are already talking to people in the channel. 00:18:10 usually that's because they're willfully ignoring them :p 00:18:24 maybe they just don't like you 00:18:24 : ) 00:18:27 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 00:18:42 gammafunk: Then they should say that so I'm not wasting my time. 00:19:14 it's hard to respond to each one; I get tells ignored by grunt all the time 00:19:24 as well as pings 00:19:43 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:20:36 Grunt: Can you please give me some feedback on my new giant orange brain player species? 00:20:40 watch, he'll ignore me 00:20:47 hmm making branch staircases display that branch's description was worryingly easy 00:20:49 i wonder what i broke 00:21:05 !tell Grunt dck 00:21:06 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 00:21:23 why doesn't crawl have more brain enemies? 00:21:25 walking brain. 00:21:26 cyberbrain. 00:21:32 Doom Brain. 00:21:39 Der Ueberbrain 00:21:41 gammafunk: Well I didn't really mean things like "bh: I saw your vault and it was nice". I mean things like "tenofswords: The box_level_dp changes misuses random2()" 00:21:43 I think it'd really add a more cerebral quality to the game, you know? 00:21:44 medium-sized orange brain 00:22:04 orange brain that's large, but not huge or anything, just a little bigger than average really 00:22:20 though I guess that'd make it smaller than the average orange brain 00:22:22 hm 00:22:25 fr: brain vault 00:22:28 reaverb: i guess i didn't really think about it? i should try to confirm that i've seen something, i suppose 00:22:31 ice brain. gigabrain 00:22:47 "if you see something, say something" 00:23:15 reaverb: Yeah I'd only say start with the person making the commit, so they can learn about their mistake, at least 00:23:26 We don't want to end up like Basil 00:23:33 Breaking crawl his first day 00:24:14 gammafunk: I sort of assumed that fixing the tile problem would require a bit of knowledge of tiels code, and was slightly embarassed it turned out to be a one line change. 00:24:44 If I knew you could change tilepicks like that I probably would of !told wheals. 00:24:52 yeah that's what I mean, wheals would generaly want to learn what he broke and how to fix it 00:25:02 i only knew because of my extensive removal experience 00:25:14 03gammafunk02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-23-ga783782: Remove the cap on most player and monster summoning spells 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 58+ 49-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7837826af99 00:25:17 top_ruiner 00:25:30 gonna go for an untracked all-time high score? 00:25:39 probably not 00:25:40 very old value 00:25:55 since scores have to be both heug and tracked 00:26:00 but I will have some fun I'm sure 00:26:01 nonethousand: Just use wiz mode if you want that :p 00:26:03 ??nostalgia 00:26:03 I don't have a page labeled nostalgia in my learndb. 00:27:00 !learn add nostalgia A branch which adds back old species, classes, spells, etc. See the changelog here: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/nostalgia 00:27:00 nostalgia[1/1]: A branch which adds back old species, classes, spells, etc. See the changelog here: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=log;h=refs/heads/nostalgia 00:28:10 !learn add nostalgia This is going to be the basis of DCSS 0.15 00:28:10 nostalgia[2/2]: This is going to be the basis of DCSS 0.15 00:29:00 gammafunk: Something random that I'm not sure about: Does "aquirement level" (|) mean something differant from "Actually, literally uses acquirement code"? 00:29:44 Grunt said they were differant, but if that's the case the name "aquirement level" is basically the worst name possible. 00:31:43 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:31:45 Yeah, I'd recommend just following the code path yourself, but acquirement level just refers to the fact that it's of a similar level 00:31:57 | is superb item, not acquirement item. 00:32:10 It's not a bad description, since it's not confusion for the player 00:32:40 well only devs see it and it's confusing for devs so i think that qualifies it as bad :P 00:32:48 gammafunk: I'm trying to do the opposite. Clarify functionality so I can follow the code path. 00:32:58 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 00:33:20 MarvinPA: well if you're more familiar with said code than I am, I'll definitely defer to you there 00:33:40 reaverb: you can always follow the code patch regardless of clarifications :p 00:33:46 superb item doesn't have the restrictions on usefulness acquirement does, right? 00:33:50 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:53 that's a pretty significant difference 00:34:02 following the code path is just grep for function calls (or use TAGS) 00:34:27 hmm? no i mean calling it that is confusing for me since it's not actually acquirement 00:34:33 yeah 00:35:26 good_and_useful 00:35:31 well personally I don't expect it to make decisions based on player attributes, so it's not confusing to me 00:35:36 or _usable, anyway :) 00:35:45 that'd be the only difference I'd guess there'd be 00:35:57 but wouldn't be surprised if there were others 00:36:14 well... acquirement is a specific thing, so calling it acquirement when it's not acquirement seems confusing 00:36:47 to fix it, should i edit the copy in git or on the wiki? 00:36:48 do you mean that you're not confused by it being called acquirement when it's not acquirement? if so then fair enough i guess, otherwise i'm just not following this at all :P 00:37:00 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:37:17 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:22 yeah, I'm personally not, although I can see confusion arising I guess 00:37:29 "really good item" 00:37:48 git assuming this is in docs/develop/levels somewhere, it's only the manual that's synced from the wiki iirc 00:38:16 is the wiki synced from git or does it just remain outdated? 00:38:34 probably the latter :P 00:40:50 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:40:57 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:43:12 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:13 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:44:25 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:44:31 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:41 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 00:46:02 03wheals02 07* 0.15-a0-7-g583097f: Documentation clarification (reaver). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=583097f1c51e 00:46:24 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:47:07 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:49:26 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:17 -!- Chousuke has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:52:58 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:54:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:54:48 I like how I managed to get another comment into the source before the box_level_dp fix. 00:55:48 don't want to take away tenofswords's fun 00:58:23 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58:31 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:58:32 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:58:46 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:56 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:56 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 00:58:56 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 00:59:54 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:00:56 -!- jeffro_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:03:09 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:03:43 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:17 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:04:29 -!- krzysz00 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:05:53 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:29 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:01 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 01:11:41 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:17:43 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:20:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:22:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:18 wheals: If found another goto in Crawl's code. 01:26:24 s/If/I/ 01:26:24 heh 01:26:31 I'm testing a patch to remove it right now. 01:27:02 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:29:32 nothing wrong with goto 01:30:13 Zaba: Can't tell if you're serious, but in this case it's use where a do loop should be used and removing it also clarifies several conditionals. 01:30:26 that should be fine then 01:32:07 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:35:00 03wheals02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-24-g1c6b33f: Let randarts have +AC and +EV again. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 50+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1c6b33fc39c9 01:35:01 Remove a goto by Reaver 01:36:07 Where's the patch 01:36:25 it was removed 01:36:32 minimalist patching 01:37:10 Basil: One sec, I guess I forgot to hit "upload patch" 01:38:16 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:38:17 re: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8330 01:38:18 Basil: For some reason I keep getting an error when I try to upload it. 01:38:30 i can't see a way to do what this is suggesting 01:38:33 even if i wanted to 01:41:03 hmm 01:41:07 Basil: Sorry, forgot to commit. So the patch didn't have anything in it. 01:41:47 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:43:37 Basil: It's up. 01:43:57 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:44:01 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:44:10 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 01:45:42 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:46:29 reaverb: the true zen of crawl development, solving bugs with empty commits 01:47:15 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:47:29 crawl would have no bugs if it had no code. 01:50:11 Unconfused mottled knight spits at itself. by nubinia 01:50:24 -!- DarthVader is now known as Cabadath 01:55:31 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140324030203]] 01:58:35 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: hhrrrg] 01:59:17 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:01:30 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:21 -!- dremek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:07:45 -!- Chousuke has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:11:28 -!- eb has quit [] 02:11:53 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:12:13 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:13:14 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:14:14 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:15:56 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:58 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 02:16:51 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-7-g583097f (34) 02:16:51 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:21:00 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 02:30:47 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:41:32 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:44:04 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 02:44:10 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:44:16 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:44:19 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 02:48:58 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:49:15 -!- moonprincess has quit [Quit: Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei!] 02:50:55 -!- dremek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:54:19 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:55:03 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:30 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 02:58:54 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:14 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:24 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:25 ??cheibriados 03:00:25 [1/8]: The Slow God! Gives piety for killing things faster than you, and slows you down as you gain piety. Chei increases your movement delay by 2+piety/20 (capped at 10) and boosts all your stats by piety/10 - 1 (capped at 15). 03:00:35 ??bots 03:00:35 bots[1/3]: Bots that can be pm'd: announcement bots: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Sizzell (CSZO, %), Lantell (CLAN, $), Ruffell (RHF, #), Rotatell (CBRO, ^); others: Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! ?? & and others) 03:00:48 %0.12??siren 03:00:57 hrm, how do you do that again? 03:01:07 only one ? 03:01:13 siren (11m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 73-97 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious | Res: 06magic(121), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1341 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 03:01:13 %0.12?siren 03:01:17 ah, thanks 03:01:48 !learn add gammafunk: notes: %0.XX?monster (one ?) for old monster queries 03:01:49 gammafunk:[1/1]: notes: %0.XX?monster (one ?) for old monster queries 03:01:54 hey 03:02:01 ??gammafunk 03:02:01 gammafunk[1/1]: TODO: cut monster-in-wall code, vault guards wielding while zerked, ally piety, arte granting sinv + evocable break unseen invis, new sack of spiders, stair placement after vaults in level gen, save the liches 03:02:09 someone deleted my entry? 03:02:17 no 03:02:18 : 03:02:30 oh weird 03:02:37 what does that do? 03:02:44 ah 03:02:44 ahah 03:02:45 ??gammafunk: 03:02:45 gammafunk:[1/1]: notes: %0.XX?monster (one ?) for old monster queries 03:02:46 derp 03:02:53 !learn del gammafunk: 03:02:54 Deleted gammafunk:[1/1]: notes: %0.XX?monster (one ?) for old monster queries 03:02:59 nothing to see here folks, move along 03:03:09 !learn add gammafunk notes: %0.XX?monster (one ?) for old monster queries 03:03:09 gammafunk[2/2]: notes: %0.XX?monster (one ?) for old monster queries 03:03:32 manticore (05H) | Spd: 7 | HD: 9 | HP: 36-65 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 14, 8, 8 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 164 | Sp: spikes volley (2d10) | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 03:03:32 %0.13?manticore 03:03:39 manticore (05H) | Spd: 10 (move: 120%) | HD: 9 | HP: 36-65 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 26, 14, 14 | 10doors, fly | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 532 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 03:03:39 %??manticore 03:04:43 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:05:17 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:07:16 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:07:29 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:54 -!- darkeh has quit [Client Quit] 03:11:04 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:16:32 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:21:23 -!- jeffro_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:23:54 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:26:19 -!- dremek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:30:52 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 03:41:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-8-g505f426: Don't use MSGCH_MULTITURN for recite messages 10(4 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=505f426bffe5 03:41:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-9-g0adf175: Improve branch descriptions some more 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 59+ 63-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0adf1751de3b 03:41:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-10-gbc4f2d9: Improve feature descriptions 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 112+ 184-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc4f2d9b2d7e 03:41:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-11-g2d3a842: Show full branch descriptions when examining the stairs to a branch 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d3a842f9826 03:43:58 wow the hall of blades description is a little weird 03:44:09 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 03:44:12 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:44:24 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 03:45:06 yeah i didn't know what to do with a few of them 03:45:08 see also dis 03:45:38 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:47:13 the idea is for them to make sense both on ?/b and on staircases, so ideally to be something like " is a place with things, also it has some flavour. depth/rune/otherstuff too" 03:49:05 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:52:20 uh oh, items.txt claims that all apples are red, not a promising start here! 03:55:18 // Demonspawn ability, no failure. 03:55:19 case SPELL_HELLFIRE_BURST: 03:55:36 is this correct? isn't the demonspawn ability plain old hellfire? 03:56:07 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:56:30 no, it's smitey, dispater is nonsmitey 03:56:44 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:54 oh maybe not 03:57:07 no idea then 03:57:24 it doesn't seem there's any player access to smitey hellfire 03:58:48 i think it was smitey once 03:59:05 aha 03:59:06 %git b3bdcba7053c 03:59:06 07MarvinPA02 * 0.10-a0-2528-gb3bdcba: Make Demonspawn hellfire beam-targeted, adjust damage, reduce hp cost 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3bdcba7053c 03:59:23 just outdated, then 03:59:27 MarvinPA: I need to add confusion fuzzing to all of those unrands with targeted attacks 03:59:33 also you can use wucad while confused 03:59:42 like // fiend's hellfire 03:59:43 by use I mean evoke 04:00:13 mm yeah 04:01:05 i thought i'd either done that or added it to my todo at some point but apparently neither of those are the case! 04:03:03 # The giant spore has no eyes, so it can't gaze at the player like the 04:03:03 # other 'G' monsters. 04:03:06 another good comment 04:03:14 excellent 04:03:37 when were they made * again 04:04:56 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:05:30 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 04:05:59 -!- ZRN has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 04:06:18 0.6 it looks like, they're G in 052_monster_glyphs.txt 04:09:07 oh, rip convection 04:10:13 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: This is not a desk. It is not being flipped.] 04:10:34 everyone knows the real reason you can't enter it is nothing to do with convection 04:10:41 "the endless sea of lava is not a nice place" 04:11:37 also aargh spellbook descriptions are the cheesiest things i'm drowning in cheese 04:11:41 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 04:11:55 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:12:20 !send RAT_VAULT MarvinPA 04:12:21 Sending MarvinPA to RAT_VAULT. 04:12:55 I thought spellbook descriptions were transifex's finest achievement or something 04:13:33 i think i actually pushed a bunch of them, i am keeping the cheesiness mostly intact 04:13:50 but reading it all at once is overwhelming! 04:13:52 MarvinPA: it is cold book of Ice Magic that is super cold and when you open it you're cold even though it's not cold out!!!! 04:13:54 don't remove Blade Noses, please 04:14:00 blade noses is great 04:14:20 ontoclasm: yes 04:15:27 -!- Quashie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:16:16 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 04:21:18 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:26:25 !send Hall-of-Blades wheals 04:26:25 Sending wheals to Hall-of-Blades. 04:26:40 -!- sd1989 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:47 !messages 04:26:47 No messages for sd1989. 04:27:28 -!- sd1989 has quit [Client Quit] 04:27:32 oh no, my ignorance of boring sword realism has come back to haunt me 04:27:51 blessed falchions and plain falchions have different descriptions and i don't know which one is accurate! 04:28:00 time to flip a coin 04:28:09 !rng blessed plain 04:28:09 The RNG chooses: plain. 04:28:11 ^ 04:28:13 ty 04:33:42 03reaver02 {wheals} 07* 0.15-a0-12-g2a34657: Fix a bug in box_level_dp 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a34657914dd 04:33:42 03reaver02 {wheals} 07* 0.15-a0-13-g7419762: Remove a goto 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 25+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7419762e8bbd 04:41:02 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:49:28 -!- Zephryn has quit 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descriptions 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 169+ 261-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b1fb4f348a90 05:50:18 good old guardian spirit desc 05:52:04 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 05:53:12 wow I had no idea books had unique descriptions 05:54:03 i kind of liked tempests' old description just because it was kind of making the point that it had level 9 spells, but i guess it's fine now too 05:56:36 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:59:17 -!- RZX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:38 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:03:31 -!- dremek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:08:16 -!- Cabadath has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:09:17 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:33 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:15:09 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 06:22:49 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:35:45 !messages 06:35:45 (1/2) |amethyst said (16h 10m 35s ago): you probably want the first chunk of https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/commit/097fa273 (just the first) as it will make 0.14 easier to deploy 06:35:47 !messages 06:35:47 (1/1) |amethyst said (16h 9m 55s ago): and, there may be conflicts, but http://dobrazupa.org/patches/0001-Add-0.14.patch http://dobrazupa.org/patches/0002-Make-0.14-the-default.patch 06:36:00 I'll start fixing 0.14 in a bit. 06:45:24 -!- qoon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:47:02 -!- User__ is now known as Xenobreeder 06:47:55 -!- dremek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:51:10 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:53:19 -!- dremek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:55:29 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:59:14 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:59:38 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:32 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:43 -!- dremek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:07:01 -!- Chousuke_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:07 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:07:28 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-b1-1-g35596ea 07:10:00 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:11:08 -!- Chousuke_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:12:05 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 07:16:51 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:18:25 Webtiles server stopped. 07:18:53 Webtiles server started. 07:21:00 <|amethyst> TZer0: seems to work 07:21:14 Webtiles server started. 07:21:42 Webtiles server stopped. 07:21:45 Webtiles server started. 07:21:51 what the hell.. 07:21:54 not quite 07:21:59 I can't reach the server. 07:22:09 <|amethyst> oh hm 07:22:17 terminal works though 07:22:18 <|amethyst> everything but webtiles seems to be working then :) 07:22:19 tested that first 07:22:43 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:23:25 <|amethyst> any messages? 07:23:30 <|amethyst> anything in /home/crawl/DGL/crawl-master/webserver/run/webtiles.log ? 07:23:34 hold on, think I might fix it now 07:24:38 gaaah 07:24:42 not running as a deamon.. 07:24:56 Webtiles server started. 07:25:00 there we go 07:25:14 and 0.14 is working. 07:25:17 not to fix the rebuild-trigger. 07:25:25 oh 07:25:28 I think it fixed itself 07:25:30 great 07:25:38 <|amethyst> TZer0: if you applied my commit it did 07:25:49 <|amethyst> TZer0: Make sure to link the logfiles and milestones 07:26:44 <|amethyst> TZer0: also, kill and restart the crawl-inotify-dglwhere watcher (ps and kill to kill it; sudo dgl crawl-inotify-dglwhere to restart) 07:26:56 oh, right, sec. 07:27:31 -!- dremek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:28:42 uh, hold on 07:28:58 how did I fix the meta-folder again? 07:29:47 nevermind 07:30:32 I can't seem to find crawl-inotify-dglwhere 07:31:08 <|amethyst> TZer0: it would be listed in ps as something like perl /home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/bin/crawl-inotify-dglwhere.pl 07:31:35 <|amethyst> TZer0: and you can start it with sudo dgl crawl-inotify-dglwhere from your dgamelaunch-config directory 07:32:18 yeah, I meant the proc ;) 07:32:31 <|amethyst> maybe it wasn't running 07:33:24 <|amethyst> if it's missing, that can make the "Where" column of the games-in-progress list not show locations 07:33:53 <|amethyst> ps auxww | grep inotify-dglwhere if nothing shows up besides grep, it's not running 07:33:55 so.. I guess we should cause a milestone to happen then 07:34:06 <|amethyst> let me see 07:34:49 <|amethyst> TZer0: you don't have the files linked nto the meta/0.14 directory 07:35:19 -!- dremek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:35:27 ah, right, fixing. 07:35:28 <|amethyst> TZer0: ln -s /home/crawl/crawl-master/crawl-0.14/saves/{logfile,milestone}* /var/www/crawl/meta/0.14/ 07:35:32 <|amethyst> or such 07:35:49 you forgot DGL :P 07:36:01 <|amethyst> oh yeah :) 07:36:12 <|amethyst> that's what I get for typing it by hand without tab completion 07:37:22 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:38:57 <|amethyst> TZer0: hm, webtiles lobby isn't showing my milestones, but the places do seem to show up correctly 07:39:10 <|amethyst> I forget the rules for when milestones show up there, though 07:39:41 this is weird 07:39:46 I can't seem t og et a scores-sprint-file. 07:40:15 to get 07:40:17 <|amethyst> TZer0: there won't be a single scores-sprint 07:40:21 ah. 07:40:23 <|amethyst> TZer0: now there's one file for each sprint 07:40:26 should I link every single one? 07:40:32 <|amethyst> TZer0: I do, but you don't have to 07:40:40 <|amethyst> TZer0: the bots don't require those 07:40:43 -!- dremek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:40:51 <|amethyst> just logfile and milestones 07:43:01 well, that's up. 07:44:03 -!- Escalator has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44:53 <|amethyst> oh, hm 07:44:58 <|amethyst> I guess the milestone thing is more general 07:45:13 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:45:26 <|amethyst> CSZO webtiles lobby doesn't seem to show those either, for 0.13 or 0.14 (only trunk) 07:46:09 <|amethyst> oh, that's right 07:46:16 <|amethyst> webtiles only supports one milestone_file 07:47:13 <|amethyst> so that is normal I guess 07:48:04 <|amethyst> !tell Medar it would be nice if there were some way to provide multiple files for milestone_file 07:48:04 |amethyst: OK, I'll let medar know. 07:49:06 <|amethyst> !tell Medar even better if a list could be generated somewhat automatically; maybe a milestone_file entry per game, and fall back to the global milestone_file if those are missing? 07:49:07 |amethyst: OK, I'll let medar know. 07:51:36 <|amethyst> TZer0: added the new milestones/logs to the scoring scripts 07:51:44 <|amethyst> !lm * 0.14 07:51:45 No milestones for * (0.14). 07:51:52 <|amethyst> !lm * cv~~14 07:51:53 1407347. [2014-03-30 12:50:13] Malhgor the Sneak (L6 SpEn) killed Grinder on turn 4384. (D:4) 07:51:59 <|amethyst> !lm * cv~~14 x=cv 07:52:00 1407347. [2014-03-30 12:50:13] [cv=0.14-a] Malhgor the Sneak (L6 SpEn) killed Grinder on turn 4384. (D:4) 07:52:10 <|amethyst> !lm * cv=0.14 x=cv 07:52:10 No milestones for * (cv=0.14). 07:52:13 <|amethyst> !lm * cv=0.14-b x=cv 07:52:14 No milestones for * (cv=0.14-b). 07:52:19 <|amethyst> !lm * cv~~0.14 x=cv 07:52:20 1407347. [2014-03-30 12:50:13] [cv=0.14-a] Malhgor the Sneak (L6 SpEn) killed Grinder on turn 4384. (D:4) 07:52:22 <|amethyst> !lm * cv~~0.14 s=cv 07:52:23 1407347 milestones for * (cv~~0.14): 1407347x 0.14-a 07:52:39 <|amethyst> !tell greensnark CLAN 0.14 milestones/logs are also available now 07:52:40 |amethyst: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 07:53:19 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:54:22 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:56:39 <|amethyst> TZer0: lantell also needs to know about the locations of the 0.14 logs and milestones 07:56:47 oh, on it. 07:58:13 -!- Lantell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:58:18 that should do it. 07:58:23 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:46 <|amethyst> TZer0: are you in ##crawl to see the announcements? 07:59:24 yeah. 07:59:36 but I'm currently not playing 14 07:59:38 hmm 07:59:41 <|amethyst> sec 07:59:53 <|amethyst> did you get an announcement about me abandonning trog? 08:00:45 yup 08:00:53 <|amethyst> great! 08:00:58 <|amethyst> I think that's everything then 08:01:06 <|amethyst> or at least everything on your end 08:01:30 <|amethyst> sequell still needs updated for the new log/milestone locations 08:08:39 -!- joeb99 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:16:03 -!- qoon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:16:36 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:23:56 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:26:10 striker (L15 HEWz) ASSERT(num_tile_rays < tile_ray_vec.size() - 1) in 'tileview.cc' at line 990 failed. (Orc:3) 08:26:54 <|amethyst> !crashlog striker 08:26:55 2. striker, XL15 HEWz, T:27679 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/striker/crash-striker-20140330-132606.txt 08:27:06 stickyfingers (L12 VpAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (IceCv) 08:27:07 Ai (L3 HESk) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:27:07 olXor (L7 FeTm) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:7) 08:27:19 jike (L11 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:2) 08:27:41 Stout (L27 DsTm) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Slime:3) 08:27:42 Malog (L14 OpFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Swamp:1) 08:27:42 olXor (L7 FeTm) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:7) 08:27:48 jike (L11 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:2) 08:28:23 Zooty (L23 FoHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Crypt:1) 08:28:24 FrankTheTank (L3 LOWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:28:41 olXor (L7 FeTm) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:7) 08:28:42 jike (L11 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:2) 08:29:40 Ai (L3 HESk) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:29:45 olXor (L7 FeTm) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:7) 08:29:53 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29:57 ackack (L15 VpAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Shoals:3) 08:29:59 stickyfingers (L12 VpAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (IceCv) 08:30:00 zzxc (L18 CeHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Vaults:3) 08:30:46 Ai (L3 HESk) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:31:29 <|amethyst> okay, just added a bunch more disallows to CAO's robots.txt 08:31:57 <|amethyst> also keeping spiders out of the scoring and tournament players directory, and adding a few more spiders to the list 08:32:12 Ai (L3 HESk) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:32:13 <|amethyst> (not the whole scoring directory, just scoring/players) 08:32:46 Rewans (L1 DECj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:33:23 -!- 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error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:36:50 nivlat (L4 OpWn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:3) 08:36:50 iafm (L13 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 08:36:51 olXor (L1 LOGl) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:36:52 Malog (L14 OpFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Swamp:1) 08:36:58 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:37:09 Rewans (L1 DECj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:37:09 jike (L11 DEFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:2) 08:37:26 iafm (L13 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 08:39:51 olXor (L1 LOFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:39:58 EricCotD (L15 VSIE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:2) 08:40:12 Ai (L3 HESk) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:41:17 Boberling (L11 LOFE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:12) 08:41:18 Feirund (L11 TeCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:10) 08:41:24 iafm (L13 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 08:42:33 iafm (L13 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 08:42:37 Ai (L3 HESk) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:42:38 nivlat (L4 OpWn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:3) 08:43:12 Feirund (L11 TeCj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:10) 08:43:23 iafm (L13 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 08:43:43 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:43:48 iafm (L13 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:2) 08:44:15 Ai (L3 HESk) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:50:13 -!- stickyfingers_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:50:38 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:57:29 <|amethyst> hm 08:57:31 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:57:39 <|amethyst> so I'm looking at the remove mangroves patch 08:57:49 <|amethyst> isn't that a save compat problem? 08:58:02 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:54 <|amethyst> I mean, removing DNGN_TREE 08:58:56 <|amethyst> the old one 08:59:07 <|amethyst> because that makes everything that follows shift by one 08:59:55 <|amethyst> I see that tags.cc does move old open sea to tree, but what about moving old lava sea to open sea, etc? 08:59:59 <|amethyst> am I missing something? 09:01:08 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:16 <|amethyst> %version 09:01:17 trunk: 0.15-a0-5-g2cf134e; 0.13: 0.13.1-36-g052d4d5; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 09:01:20 <|amethyst> @version 09:01:25 <|amethyst> !version 09:01:28 <|amethyst> #version 09:01:29 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:30 <|amethyst> ^version 09:01:30 trunk: 0.15-a0-7-g583097f; 0.13: 0.13.1-36-g052d4d5 09:01:31 trunk: 0.14-a0-3612-g45324f1; 0.13: 0.13.1-36-g052d4d5; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 09:01:31 -!- rast- is now known as rast 09:01:31 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:34 <|amethyst> &version 09:01:43 <|amethyst> oh... 09:05:04 <|amethyst> yeah, that changed my shoals border to lava sea 09:12:18 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:14:44 haha 09:14:50 you mean in wiz mode? 09:14:59 !learn del clan[3] 09:15:00 Deleted clan[3/3]: Rebuilds trunk at 00:00 GMT+1, 0.12 at 08:00 GMT+1 and 0.13 at 16:00 GMT+1 09:15:05 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:05 !learn add clan Rebuilds (times in GMT+1) trunk at 00:00, 0.12 at 06:00, 0.13 at 12:00, 0.14 at 18:00 09:15:05 clan[3/3]: Rebuilds (times in GMT+1) trunk at 00:00, 0.12 at 06:00, 0.13 at 12:00, 0.14 at 18:00 09:15:14 <|amethyst> I mean, I saved a game in shoals before mangrove removal and loaded it after mangrove removal 09:15:19 oh, right 09:15:37 I wanted to ask you or anyone whou would know, what's the best way to change the tree tile in swamp? 09:15:53 wheals used tilepick.cc, but that seems maybe not the best way 09:16:04 couldn't find how e.g. vaults sets the walls to metal 09:16:19 <|amethyst> setting the walls to metal involves a different feature 09:16:43 yeah, but I figured it would be at the "des" level 09:16:54 and might involve e.g. TILE: 09:17:28 maybe tilepick is the best way, but my guess was that there's a better way 09:19:48 is it possible to set something in my rc so that I get a more-prompt if I get hit by something I cannot see? 09:20:35 <|amethyst> TZer0: force_more_message += ^Something .* you 09:20:51 TZer0: you probably want to base it on deactivating autopickup though 09:21:01 <|amethyst> yeah, that might be better 09:21:46 that will force more when e.g. an orc wizard goes invis as well 09:21:57 which may or may not annoy you 09:22:26 what is the exact message? 09:22:34 is it the same one you get if you hit ctrl+A? 09:23:01 I have more += Deactivating autopickup 09:23:04 in my rc 09:23:23 so "Deactivating autopickup" is the message 09:24:43 Hm, zombies, simulacra and skeletons take damage to their max HPs right? 09:25:08 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.14 09:25:08 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-b1-1-g35596ea: Don't let queen bees cause berserking while confused (#8331) (cherry picked from commit efe43552feae675eb0654e67188a19492e8ea6e9) 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=35596ea57914 09:26:49 <|amethyst> dck: I don't think so, no 09:27:15 they just don't regen, I thought 09:27:43 Huh, that's interesting 09:27:57 <|amethyst> damage to max HP would reduce their XP 09:27:59 Dunno if you can e.g. hw them 09:28:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:20 <|amethyst> it's more than just not regenerating; they also don't show their wounds 09:28:31 <|amethyst> which is different from e.g. deep dwarves 09:28:54 Well, true, but in terms of what is being decremented, it's just monster.hp I assume 09:29:02 actually forget if that's the property name or not 09:29:31 mostly I was asking because if they did in fact lose mHP when damaged then josephine's new ghost fireball would be a bit weird 09:29:42 unless it was special cased to heal them regardless I guess 09:30:01 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.13 09:30:02 07|amethyst02 * 0.13.1-36-g052d4d5: Update 0.13.2 changelog. 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=052d4d51a16e 09:32:17 !source beam.cc:4624 09:32:17 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;hb=HEAD#l4624 09:32:34 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-15-g03853fe: Further increase affected-cells limit in tiles. 10(39 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=03853fe038b7 09:32:34 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-16-g55057a3: Fix feature shifts from mangrove removal. 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=55057a331cc5 09:32:35 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14-b1-2-g50dc152: Further increase affected-cells limit in tiles. 10(39 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=50dc1524cf03 09:32:36 |amethyst: doh 09:32:47 03Grunt02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-37-gb6f4c13: Increase limit for showing tiles affected by spells (gammafunk, |amethyst). 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6f4c1377cfd 09:32:48 It's just simple test of undead with 3d10 heal 09:32:48 oh man, thanks 09:32:51 i was just about to write a fix 09:33:56 wheals: turning the ocean into a laval sea? you hate the earth that much... 09:34:13 <|amethyst> wheals: you were helped by the fact that there was a gap before DNGN_LAVA 09:34:25 <|amethyst> wheals: or maybe hurt, since if *everything* were shifted you would have noticed :) 09:34:53 yeah 09:35:22 should have looked more carefully at what TAG_MINOR_0_11 did 09:36:45 i hope nobody loaded in a vault with a lot of granite statues 09:37:02 since it looks like they'd all turn into malign gateways 09:37:55 <|amethyst> haha 09:38:05 <|amethyst> I guess that's enough to update for 09:39:59 <|amethyst> !tell johnstein btw, your trigger-rebuild.pl still says "CSZO rebuild trigger" 09:39:59 |amethyst: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 09:40:45 <|amethyst> rebuilding CSZO, CLAN, and CBRO 09:40:53 <|amethyst> also CAO but I guess that wasn't necessary 09:41:32 hrm, can you place a malign gateway as a feature in des? 09:41:41 I guess you could just do TILE, but 09:42:24 SUBST: . = portal to somewhere, presumably? 09:42:54 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:57 well you could just use a glyph 09:43:07 no need for it to be a subst 09:43:13 er, right 09:43:14 yeah 09:43:47 KFEAT: 09:44:16 Yeah I know about the general placing mechanics, I'm asking if that particular feature 09:44:20 will place 09:44:34 only one way to find out! 09:44:40 and then what would happen if it did 09:45:19 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.15-a0-16-g55057a3 (34) 09:45:25 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.15-a0-16-g55057a3 (34) 09:46:22 no features matching "portal to somewhere" 09:46:56 is what i get, so maybe it doesn't work 09:47:42 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 09:55:32 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-16-g55057a3 (34) 09:56:18 <|amethyst> malign_gateway is what you want 09:57:04 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:58:10 ok, so it does work! 09:59:05 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:08 wheals: I won't worry to much about missing that feature shift thing - I knew that might be an issue when I checked out the swamp tree tiles but I still missed it. 10:03:37 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-16-g55057a3 (34) 10:05:01 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:19:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:19:32 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:23:25 gammafunk: 05:00:04 uh oh, reaver is getting commits 10:23:42 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:23:43 What's wrong with me getting commits? Afraid I'll add to many helper function when you aren't looking? :p 10:24:19 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:23 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:30:00 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 10:37:20 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:38:33 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:12 don't worry, only one of us has commit access 10:42:32 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:43:51 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:35 hey, I'm at 90 10:44:45 get to get to 100 before the release 10:44:53 *got to 10:48:14 <|amethyst> elliptic: I have a commit for 0.15 about the MP rounding thing 10:48:33 <|amethyst> elliptic: but my changes are a straight buff because it always rounded down 10:49:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:49:26 <|amethyst> elliptic: for example, an XL 5 spriggan now gets MP at spc = 0.315 0.8 1.28 1.76 but before it was 0.92 0.97 1.86 1.99 10:49:33 <|amethyst> hm 10:49:38 <|amethyst> I just crashed elliptic 10:50:14 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:50:32 <|amethyst> !tell elliptic pushed that to smoothmp branch 10:50:32 |amethyst: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 10:51:09 New branch created: smoothmp (1 commit) 10:51:09 03|amethyst02 07[smoothmp] * 0.15-a0-17-g7b2b1e7: Use better rounding for real MP calculations. 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b2b1e7c81de 10:51:56 mp so smoooooth 10:55:57 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:40 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:57:08 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00:59 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:01:06 <|amethyst> top 10 committers for 0.14 so far: 11:01:17 <|amethyst> 830 kilobyte 11:01:17 <|amethyst> 587 Grunt 11:01:17 <|amethyst> 471 MarvinPA 11:01:17 <|amethyst> 405 |amethyst 11:01:17 <|amethyst> 284 DracoOmega 11:01:19 <|amethyst> 163 Medar 11:01:22 <|amethyst> 110 tenofswords 11:01:24 <|amethyst> 90 elliptic 11:01:27 <|amethyst> 88 gammafunk 11:01:29 <|amethyst> 78 ontoclasm 11:01:32 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:34 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:02:54 |amethyst: Does "committers" mean pushing a commit or creating it. 11:02:55 ? 11:03:00 <|amethyst> creating it 11:03:42 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller is number 12, just behind wheals 11:04:38 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-b1-2-g50dc152 11:05:25 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:22 reaverb: your indent is wrong at dungeon.cc:4519 11:06:35 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:41 which I just randomly happened to notice 11:07:01 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:21 gammafunk: Wow, that's really obvious. 11:07:28 <|amethyst> top ten committers of other people's commits: 11:07:29 <|amethyst> 156 |amethyst 11:07:30 <|amethyst> 73 Grunt 11:07:30 <|amethyst> 40 MarvinPA 11:07:30 <|amethyst> 39 kilobyte 11:07:30 yeah, surprised wheals didn't catch it 11:07:32 <|amethyst> 24 Medar 11:07:34 <|amethyst> 20 wheals 11:07:37 <|amethyst> 14 galehar 11:07:39 <|amethyst> 12 bh 11:07:41 haha, wheals 11:07:42 <|amethyst> 11 DracoOmega 11:07:44 <|amethyst> 3 SamB 11:07:53 Sorry, I thought the indentation looked a tiny bit weird. I should of checked it out a bit more. 11:07:56 I think I have like 1 or2 11:08:08 <|amethyst> gammafunk: you have 2, you're #11 :) 11:08:20 reaverb: do you look at your patches e.g. from git format-patch first? it helps I find 11:08:33 |amethyst: but I'm at 90 commits now! almost 100! 11:08:41 gammafunk: I do, but I just missed that indentation thing. 11:08:56 hrm, I wonder if a util script would have found that 11:09:07 not checkwhite or checkbrace though 11:09:12 I only really run checkwhite 11:09:26 <|amethyst> probably not 11:09:27 gammafunk: I only use checkwhite also, should probably enable some of the others. 11:10:05 <|amethyst> so is someone going to fix that? :) 11:10:20 <|amethyst> the indentation, not the scripts, I mean 11:10:30 |amethyst: I'm working on a patch now. 11:11:10 I'll fix it, not need for a patch 11:11:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: while you're at it, can you run util/unbrace 11:11:32 sure 11:11:36 <|amethyst> gammafunk: It caught two things here 11:11:54 gammafunk: Thanks, wasn't sure because wheals punished that really tiny box_level_dp bug patch. 11:12:21 <|amethyst> We still need a description for Phantom Mirror 11:13:41 Wow, surprised util/unbrace hasn't been run in so long. 11:13:44 ??phantom_mirror 11:13:45 phantom mirror[1/2]: This spell clones a selected allied creature, randomly swapping the clone and original to disguise which is real and which is fake. 11:15:07 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:17:10 03gammafunk02 07* 0.15-a0-17-gd9c209f: Indent and brace cleanups 10(4 minutes ago, 3 files, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9c209fe7ca5 11:18:02 <|amethyst> stats updated at http://s-z.org/crawl-stats/ 11:18:29 -!- sd1989 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:19:53 Err, how do I enable uti/checkbrace to run before a commit. 11:20:02 I've already done it for util/checkwhite 11:20:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:21:07 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:48 <|amethyst> put it in your .git/hooks/pre-commit though since it actually changes the source that might be be ideal 11:22:03 util/unbrace is the command though 11:22:08 <|amethyst> oh, yah 11:22:20 <|amethyst> our sample pre-commit hook duplicates much of the code from checkwhite so that it can check without changing anything 11:22:52 <|amethyst> maybe checkwhite and unbrace can be given command-line options saying not to write anything 11:23:07 |amethyst: Where do I find my ".git" directory? 11:23:12 thanks for help, by the way. 11:23:21 it's in the top-level repo dir 11:23:26 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:32 <|amethyst> reaverb: if you're in source/ it's ../../.git/ 11:23:34 it's per-repo, for that change 11:23:44 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:25:07 MarvinPA stats: adds: 22272 dels: 27801 net: -5529 11:25:23 really says it all 11:26:07 this is counting commits authored by others as well, it seems 11:26:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:38 |amethyst: What do you mean by "put it in" your .git/hooks/pre-commit ? Copy and paste the code? 11:26:49 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:30:38 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:31:42 reaverb: looks like you probably could do that, if you put it at the end of the whitespace pre-commit hook 11:31:58 but probably you'd want to modify it to give a warning like the whitespace hook does 11:32:05 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:51 <|amethyst> better would be to call it 11:32:57 <|amethyst> working on something that might be useful 11:33:03 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:04 gammafunk: I've never done anything with Perl before, so there's that. Also, I can't seem to find the unbrace source. All I see in the util/ folder is an executable. 11:33:08 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:33:13 reaverb: it's a perl script 11:33:29 so the executable is really the source 11:33:39 e.g. you can open it in your text editor 11:33:56 but yeah |amethyst will have a new hook shortly 11:34:02 I think I know how he's going to do it 11:34:14 (although this issue is not perl's fault) 11:34:44 gammafunk: Huh, it's kind of weird how some files are shown as scripts and others as excecutabls. (or at least that's how it is on my computer) 11:35:57 reaverb: in unix you can turn any file into an "executable" through permissioning it, and there's a facility in the os where it looks at the first line of any non-binary file to see what executable to pass the file contents to 11:36:10 hence #!/usr/bin/perl -w 11:36:16 at the top of unbrace 11:36:19 |amethyst: does "committers of other people's commits" count all the commits that I wrote as 'wheals' before joining the team and committed later? 11:36:21 :P 11:36:46 gammafunk: Ah, I've always wondered what the point of the #!/foo line was. 11:37:28 reaverb: yeah, you can an even call other "text executables" that way; what you call with that "shebang" line just has to be an executable thing 11:38:44 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:39:07 wheals: you may be catching up to me, but not my number of additions compared to yours! 11:40:39 chris still has us both beat 11:40:41 wheals: and yeah you only have 60 commits under your real name and 21 under wheals 11:40:51 well, he's been around longer 11:41:20 also he's a deleter 11:41:26 unlike me, he also has a negative net :( :( 11:41:30 wheals: look at MarvinPA's stats! 11:41:31 i need to work on some removals 11:41:32 hilarious 11:41:48 not as good as st_! 11:41:52 and elliptic is so close to 0 it's funny 11:42:13 hm, wonder how (no author) got in 11:42:25 wheals: neunon 11:42:26 I k ow that Rupert is a berserker and Norris is a surfer who feeds on int, but has anyone ever mentioned they often feel similar to fight due to the para+conf combo? 11:42:27 johnstein: You have 6 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:42:29 epic deleter 11:42:31 or just me? 11:42:46 Norris is a good candidate for unique removal 11:42:52 a true top_deleter 11:43:05 i'd be sad to see norris's flavour go fwiw 11:43:20 what are the other Norris problems? 11:43:31 maybe it's just a matter of some tweaking? 11:45:23 wow, i didn't realize dolorous was active until so recently 11:45:54 <|amethyst> I'm not updating the hook 11:46:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:46:03 !tell Grunt 2014 is the Year of the Grunt! 11:46:04 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 11:46:11 <|amethyst> but I am updating unbrace and checkwhite so you can (probably) use them from the hook 11:47:17 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 11:47:22 |amethyst: Good, thank you. 11:47:51 |amethyst: yeah, I guess it might be worth subtracting 0.5 somewhere to account for rounding improvements or something 11:48:16 wheals: I was wondering why you had so few commits when I searched for commits by author. Only 22 before you started using your real name. 11:48:28 I'll look at it sometime myself if nobody else gets to it, probably not soon though 11:48:33 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:48:44 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-18-ga329682: Improvements to checkwhite and unbrace. 10(15 minutes ago, 2 files, 35+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a329682e064a 11:48:53 <|amethyst> elliptic: no rush, since 0.15 will be semi-disabled soon, anyway 11:49:00 right 11:49:16 amazing, n7 has almost as many as mu_ 11:49:17 and having a branch there should help make someone remember it :) 11:49:30 <|amethyst> reaverb: with those changes you can probably run unbrace -n and checkwhite -n from the hook 11:49:45 <|amethyst> reaverb: but I'm not sure about details like what directory the hook runs in, etc 11:50:41 |amethyst: Good, let me check this out. 11:51:23 <|amethyst> reaverb: oh hm 11:51:30 <|amethyst> reaverb: I guess there's a small issue 11:51:35 |amethyst: You noticed a problem? 11:51:41 <|amethyst> reaverb: the -n option for dry runs is only in trunk 11:51:53 <|amethyst> reaverb: so if you have an older version checked out... 11:51:54 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:22 |amethyst: Ok, I'll pull. I can always commit -n if I need to. 11:52:49 For example, if I wanted to cherry pick that box_level_dp patch to 0.14 so that 0.14 doesn't lack that monster set. 11:53:09 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:29 <|amethyst> right, if you did checkwhite in the commit then, that would probably be bad 11:53:46 <|amethyst> because you'd have the 0.14 checkwhite that doesn't support dry runs 11:53:53 <|amethyst> I guess I could backport it to 0.14 11:54:06 <|amethyst> or you could grep dry_run crawl-ref/source/util/checkwhite to make sure it's a version that works :) 11:54:33 <|amethyst> s/backport/cherry-pick/ 11:54:38 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:36 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14-b1-3-gcd38efc: Improvements to checkwhite and unbrace. 10(22 minutes ago, 2 files, 35+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cd38efc3455f 11:55:46 to-do: remove a net 163 lines of code in 0.15 11:56:03 <|amethyst> it would still be good to check, because what if you happen to have checked out 0.13, or a branch that was forked before the commit 11:59:48 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:00:06 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:02:58 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:08 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:08 -!- Rewans has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:06:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:07:35 ontoclasm: https://copy.com/EuxcoKJCxoVXQPq9 12:07:51 (two of them don't display for some reason) 12:11:30 Bloax: looks good 12:11:57 their edges aren't guaranteed not to bleed 12:12:13 i'm not sure we need all of them though 12:12:33 oh whew, my local branches should lower my net by a lot 12:12:38 Bloax: why do you try to scare me 12:12:55 because i know you like mutilated yaktaurs with wide gaping mouths 12:13:17 I zoomed into your ugly thing tile 12:13:21 and saw what it really was 12:13:24 and I was horrified 12:13:38 most people don't see the face I think 12:13:42 you should see the very ugly thing 12:13:50 gammafunk: i think i read an h p lovecraft story about this 12:13:52 the very ugly thing isn't as scary imo 12:13:53 Stable (0.14) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-b1-3-gcd38efc 12:14:15 but bloax's ugly thing is like 12:14:18 a contorted face 12:14:40 with legs and tentacles 12:14:46 -!- jejorda2 has quit [Client Quit] 12:15:35 given the changes to poison, can taking poison damage no longer interrupt Vp drinking blood from a corpse? 12:15:59 03reaver02 {gammafunk} 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14-b1-4-gf22ed7c: Fix a bug in box_level_dp 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f22ed7cd797c 12:16:11 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:22 hello boys (and girls) 12:19:17 Eldarby (L13 SpAs) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:3) 12:19:21 tapin (L4 LOAK) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 12:19:21 Phrizz11 (L23 VSMo) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Vaults:1) 12:19:23 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.1-37-gb6f4c13 12:21:44 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:23:00 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.15-a0-18-ga329682 (34) 12:28:36 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:44:59 -!- Watball has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:49:18 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 12:49:58 wot 12:51:48 item descriptions just got a good round of boring shot into them for some reason 12:52:22 http://pastebin.com/AbsS5haq and how is this an improvement 12:53:05 but the description already says that it's extra-good for stabbing! 12:55:20 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:29 more like the item properties spoil it to you 12:55:35 haha what 12:56:11 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:56:18 no seriously i liked the long descriptions in crawl 12:56:28 idk I'm a little sad about some of the spellbook description changes but the weapon changes are fine. 12:56:45 they weren't boring like the rest 12:57:18 (and if you were looking for information then you were probably looking for numbers) 12:57:44 The only ones that I don't mind being changed are the jewellery ones to reflect their purpose clearly. 12:57:46 - A mace with a short chain connecting the head to the haft. This adds slightly 12:57:48 - more force to the blow at the cost of complicating use. 12:57:49 + A mace with a short chain connecting the head to the haft. 12:57:51 hm yes a great loss 12:58:13 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:59:09 http://pastebin.com/y0PXcHbs a huge loss 12:59:11 http://pastebin.com/vZAdNBSu terrible. crawl is ruined 12:59:17 haha 12:59:43 the little things are little 12:59:44 -!- MaxFrosty is now known as MaxFrost 12:59:46 but they still count 13:00:26 yes, I agree. it's good to improve the little things, e.g. by cutting out boring, overly verbose descriptions 13:01:06 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:01:32 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:07 I'm more on Bloax side 13:02:18 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:19 -!- orcus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:02:30 PleasingFungus: aren't you the one behind making Agnes not a greedy robber 13:02:46 yes 13:02:51 that reminds me I need to rewrite her dialogue 13:02:54 maybe I'll do that today 13:02:56 probably because I almost never read description, but from time to time, il like have some nice description to read 13:03:22 Cedor: except now you only have "It's a big stick of metal and iron." to read. 13:03:28 yep 13:03:31 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:33 "wow thanks" 13:03:41 I think it's a loss for the flavour 13:03:54 yes. if only you had the literary masterpiece, "A mace with a short chain connecting the head to the haft. This adds slightly more force to the blow at the cost of complicating use." 13:03:58 then your day would be complete 13:04:08 I mean, what else will give... 13:04:10 in conclusion, marvinpa has ruined everything. 13:04:22 ambiance to the game? 13:04:25 PleasingFungus: i can cherrypick too 13:04:28 not ruined 13:04:29 death cobs 13:04:38 death cobs are core to crawl's flavor 13:04:56 I understand the way to ... how to say this 13:05:08 providing only usefull informatn 13:05:24 straightforward descriptions are good for complex items 13:05:52 but if i'm looking at something as boring as a mace or a banana it's still nice to read some weird stuff every now and then 13:06:03 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:06:13 but I hope tere is other idea to balance such straigtforward description 13:06:36 yep, who even read a banana description? 13:06:46 I think it is good to have jokes and funny things, in crawl. however, it is better to have no jokes than bad and boring jokes. 13:07:01 not jokes or funny 13:07:09 flavour 13:07:15 it's better to have bad jokes than to have dullness 13:07:30 Dullness is the absence of any flavour. 13:07:50 right 13:07:52 "A long sword with a wide blade.", what an interesting sword. 13:08:09 I, personally, value the player's time - being myself a player. I'd rather not put a paragraph of boring garbage in front of the player when a sentence would do instead. 13:08:23 -!- Watball_ is now known as Watball 13:08:37 did you also know english doesn't use commas a lot 13:08:39 exept descriptions aren't in front of the player 13:08:58 the player must dig for it 13:08:59 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 13:09:13 not very hard. any time you check a weapon's base damage or delay, for example, the description is right there 13:09:13 (at least 2 keystrokes) 13:09:31 hum 13:09:33 it's not in a special Descriptions-Only Zone 13:09:41 dunno 13:09:43 where only beautiful prose may flow like a flowery river 13:09:46 PleasingFungus: Do you feel obligated to read everything you see, even if you know it's not what you're looking for? 13:09:51 I never see description when looking for such infos 13:10:16 whenever you put something in front of a player, you are saying to them, 'this is something we, the developers, think is worth your time to read. that is why we put it here.' 13:10:25 shitty descriptions break that contract 13:10:43 since when did players listen dev will? 13:11:53 just look: 13:11:55 This spell creates a shower of colourful butterflies. How pretty! 13:12:03 (i'm currently working on translation) 13:12:17 what is the problem with this kind of flavour? 13:12:29 nothing? 13:12:36 it's a waste of time 13:12:46 nobody is going to bother read that so why have it there in the first place 13:12:50 you will note that it is still there 13:12:50 isn't that right pleasingfungus 13:13:00 that is the exact opposite of what I said 13:13:38 the entire reason I support removing boring descriptions is that, once in a while, players actually *do* read descriptions 13:13:41 not the opposite, but I agree 13:13:47 and then they are punished for their impertinence 13:13:49 <|amethyst> ??flail 13:13:49 flail[1/1]: Damage: 10, Acc: 0, Delay: 14. 13:13:50 <|amethyst> ??mace 13:13:51 mace[1/1]: A long handle with a heavy lump on the end. (one-handed mace; Dmg 8 Acc +3 Delay 14) 13:13:51 by reading really shitty prose 13:14:06 and then they think, "welp, won't waste my time with that again!" 13:14:08 <|amethyst> the problem with that description is that it's misleading 13:14:15 <|amethyst> "complicating use" 13:14:43 <|amethyst> that might be taken to imply you need more skill; but the delay at least is the same 13:14:50 I guess it's trying to refer to the lower acc? 13:14:55 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:14:57 <|amethyst> probably 13:14:57 PleasingFungus, you should ask for a FR : option to hide non technical description 13:15:03 <|amethyst> or perhaps the stats used to be different 13:15:07 maces have higher accuracy than falchions 13:15:20 cedor, why on earth would I want that? 13:15:28 90% of my contributions to crawl have been descriptions 13:15:36 better descriptions 13:15:43 (I hope) 13:15:55 I classify your kind of description as technical 13:16:19 what is my kind of description? 13:16:36 let me find something 13:17:42 03gammafunk02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-25-g152ce74: "Orb chamber subvaults", a memoir by gammafunk 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 347+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=152ce740382b 13:17:44 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:17:44 ??catoplebas 13:17:44 catoplebas ~ catoblepas[1/5]: Like a death yak in stats, but slower (speed 8) and hits harder. Breathes plumes of petrifying dust clouds at you that have a chance to {petrify} you based on your experience level. Like swamp drake breath, catoblepas breath will not affect you unless you're standing in the cloud at least one turn after it spawns. 13:17:44 hum 13:17:44 grmbl, wrong exemple it's the spell... 13:18:11 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:20:32 Agnes 13:20:41 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:06 Huh. 13:22:24 I don't think most book descriptions qualified as "really shitty prose". 13:22:36 it'll be hard to find the cange, but I can see it with the difference in translations 13:22:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 13:22:40 dck: I was arguing specifically about the weapon descriptions 13:22:51 [10:56] PleasingFungus idk I'm a little sad about some of the spellbook description changes but the weapon changes are fine. 13:23:01 oh 13:23:08 missed this part 13:23:20 haha 13:23:48 i'm onlu here for 1H (and i'm not on the same time period) 13:24:06 but this is the point I wanted to show 13:24:15 I don't think there was anything wrong with daggers' desc either, for example. 13:24:17 you want concise and technical description 13:24:45 an accurate description of a killing tool 13:24:58 and not someting that'll take your time 13:25:26 that's why I talk of hiding flavour description through options 13:26:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:27:30 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:39 dck: old dagger description was quite misleading - "weak weapon of last resort" isn't the sort of thing that should be in descriptions 13:28:01 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:08 well it's true for caster starts 13:28:21 <|amethyst> club is an even weaker weapon of last resor 13:28:22 <|amethyst> t 13:29:05 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:29:07 I found the "perfect tool for assassinations" bit was quite accurate 13:29:09 there are many good daggers early game 13:29:19 <|amethyst> dck: that is already mentioned in the description screen though 13:29:24 but yes they're not particularly bad weapons 13:29:43 <|amethyst> "It is extremely good for stabbing unaware enemies." 13:30:07 yeah, that part was just redundant 13:30:43 anyway in general more verbose descriptions are more likely to be misleading to players 13:30:58 this was an issue with a lot of stuff that MarvinPA removed 13:32:15 stuff like the "complicating use" for flail that was mentioned earlier 13:32:59 or the old exec axe description might have been taken to mean that they have a special chance of one-shotting monsters 13:34:10 <|amethyst> elliptic: maybe add that part to the Axe of Woe :) 13:34:14 or the old halberd description seems to be saying that halberds can block other weapons 13:34:22 and so on 13:34:53 yeah I'm going through weapon descs and hammer and halberd were pretty bad 13:34:54 if you already know exactly how everything in crawl works, you can dismiss stuff like this as harmless flavor 13:35:01 but if you don't... 13:36:16 Ha, historical notes on plate armour 13:36:19 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 13:38:27 elliptic: they could block other weapons! 13:38:34 a long long time ago 13:39:00 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:24 okay and short swords also talk about stabbing people 13:39:36 ??are we branched 13:39:36 I don't have a page labeled are_we_branched in my learndb. 13:39:39 !abyss grunt 13:39:39 bh casts a spell. grunt is devoured by a tear in reality! 13:39:48 %git 0.14 13:39:48 Could not find commit 0.14 (git returned 128) 13:39:59 %git 0.14-b1 13:39:59 07Grunt02 * 0.14-b1: A changelog touch-up to kick off the 0.14 branch. 10(25 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=90d5cc33569b 13:40:08 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.14 13:40:08 07reaver02 {gammafunk} * 0.14-b1-4-gf22ed7c: Fix a bug in box_level_dp 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f22ed7cd797c 13:43:48 great, so can I merge cross-training and remove corpse eating monsters? :) 13:45:34 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:31 oh wow para wand desc was terrible 13:46:40 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:47:27 bh: sounds fine to me, neither of those things is glamorous enough to distract people from testing 0.14 (which is what people should be testing) 13:47:57 bh: you mean remove their ability to eat corpses, I assume 13:48:08 not removing ghouls I hope 13:48:19 btw are we worrying about save compat in nostalgia branch at all? 13:48:25 no, he means removing corpses that eat monsters 13:48:31 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:48:33 no, add those! 13:48:47 elliptic: it seems not, why? 13:48:50 -!- Amnesiac|2 is now known as Amnesiac 13:48:56 <|amethyst> elliptic: I would not, no. At least on the servers, no one's save is going to transfer in or out of the branch 13:49:02 it's not playable anywhere atm 13:49:10 good, that means I don't need to worry about it when adding rSlow amulets :P 13:49:11 <|amethyst> elliptic: once it is live, we probably want to be more careful 13:49:14 yeah 13:49:19 I assume it won't be live for very long though 13:49:24 <|amethyst> yeah :) 13:49:30 |amethyst: do you have plans to do anything fancy like make it the only playable version for at least april 1st? 13:49:37 (since we shouldn't distract people too much from testing 0.14) 13:49:49 i'd hope 0.14 is still hosted alongside the nostalgia branch 13:50:13 -!- mk83 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:50:26 -!- RZX has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 13:50:35 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I'll maybe make it the default and make the trunk menu actually run nostalgia 13:50:46 yeah, sounds good 13:51:11 <|amethyst> then people might complain about "my save went missing", but they'll get it back after april 1 :) 13:51:41 chaos reigns 13:51:44 I'm seeing if I can work in zot traps place starting on d:1 from 4.1 13:51:59 but would have to do that for all traps I guess 13:52:05 <|amethyst> hmm... 4.1 isn't exactly nostalgia 13:52:17 <|amethyst> didn't DCSS fork from 4.0? 13:52:33 shhhh 13:53:57 Grunt took ddoor behaviour from 1.0, which basically predates, well, I'm guessing over 99% of people 13:54:12 er 0.1 13:54:15 not 1.0 13:54:38 ..What was the DDoor behaviour in 0.1? 13:54:39 no, 1.1 13:54:41 !lg devteam min=cv 13:54:42 49167. rax the Skirmisher (L5 TrBe of Trog), blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) on D:4 on 2006-12-05 18:21:06, with 292 points after 1381 turns and 0:20:13. 13:54:49 !lg devteam min=cv x=cv 13:54:50 49167. [cv=0.1] rax the Skirmisher (L5 TrBe of Trog), blasted by an orc priest (divine providence) on D:4 on 2006-12-05 18:21:06, with 292 points after 1381 turns and 0:20:13. 13:54:52 so the very first public version ever, i assume 13:54:58 by linley 13:55:10 <|amethyst> no, 0.1 means dcss 0.1 13:55:26 i thought he said 1.1 though... 13:55:27 <|amethyst> oh, 1.1 you said 13:55:28 yeah, 4.0 refers to Crawl (Linley's game) 13:55:44 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 13:55:51 %git 88d8e7 13:55:51 07Grunt02 * 0.14-b1-21-g88d8e70: 1.1-style Death's Door. 10(14 hours ago, 8 files, 32+ 36-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=88d8e707741c 13:55:59 <|amethyst> aha 13:55:59 oh, hey 13:56:06 is that actually Crawl ddoor then? 13:56:14 well, I have all the precedent I need! 13:56:22 <|amethyst> well, still, 1.1 more of an ancestor of dcss than 4.1 is 13:56:29 The defense rests, your honor! 13:57:56 + "Your time has expired!", 13:58:12 what a great spell 13:58:40 I think if we're going back to linley crawl 1.1 then pretty much anything is fair game 13:59:05 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 13:59:24 -!- PoopBridge has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:59:36 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:59:48 I think it's fair game if it's funny 13:59:52 that would be my personal rule 14:01:09 are Trog and Lugonu getting a rename? 14:01:22 <|amethyst> Fedhas too 14:01:35 Fedhas? How? 14:01:45 Faewn or something? 14:01:46 <|amethyst> !lg * god=feawn 14:01:46 No games for * (god=feawn). 14:01:54 why trog? 14:02:04 What about Dithmengos? 14:02:07 haha 14:02:09 and of course rename dith seth 14:02:30 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:34 hrm, was there any weird god behaviour that'd be worth bringing back 14:02:38 are we bringing back Jesters? 14:02:44 <|amethyst> some of the gods were once panlords 14:02:45 I actually asked that at one point 14:02:48 it's kind of meta 14:03:00 we need jesters, yes 14:03:01 Yeah, that's how I got my Tavern avatar. 14:03:02 yeah, panlords as gods 14:03:16 only problem is I'm not sure what vaults they had 14:03:33 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:05:08 next year we should announce that the Everquest people have bought crawl and it'll cost $10/mo to play 14:05:09 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:05:48 microtransaction heal wounds potions 14:05:51 -!- nooodl has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:03 <|amethyst> webtiles was originally an april fools joke, wasn't it? 14:06:07 yeah 14:06:13 lol 14:06:24 with using facebook to resurrect your character, or something like that 14:07:09 following the trend of acquisitions, facebook has acquired Stone Soup for five bucks 14:07:31 we could force webtiles players to play in glyph mode 14:07:38 what a rip-off. I got it for free 14:09:59 Following the acquition, Facebook stock plunged another 10% 14:10:15 we should replace the orb of zot with a talking mushroom that announces that the orb is in another dungeon. 14:11:47 we're already getting orb mimics 14:12:07 move the orb to tomb:3 14:12:09 ?/feawn 14:12:09 Matching terms (1): feawn; entries (1): plant_god[1]: see {feawn} 14:12:15 I'm not sure if orb mimics will work or not 14:12:22 ??plant god 14:12:22 fedhas[1/7]: Abilities: prayer turns corpses in LOS into skeletons, turns zombies into skeletons (or destroys them), destroys ghoul genus monsters for piety gain, causes toadstools to grow; evolution - turn plants or fungi into stronger species. Upgrading fungi costs piety, upgrading plants costs fruit. 14:12:30 I generated a few zot:5 and none had mimics 14:12:38 well have the mushroom appear after you kill the mimic 14:12:40 but maybe only one has mimics 14:14:26 hrm. If you have Tele status and step on a teleport trap, what happens? 14:14:55 You teleport. 14:14:57 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:14:59 And then you teleport again. 14:15:01 you instantly telepot and keep the status 14:15:06 ooh, here's an idea: social vaults. when you're in a vault, ctrl++ makes a bot send a message on IRC to its creator, saying how cool they are 14:15:09 that sounds wrong 14:15:24 god 14:15:24 s/cool/awful/ 14:15:33 !function num_traps_for_place 14:15:33 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/traps.cc;hb=HEAD#l1824 14:15:44 wheals is awful 14:15:54 switch statement abuse is like some sort of obscene sport 14:17:18 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:17:23 repeat to yourself: 'at least it isn't spammals' 14:19:21 oh man, zot traps on d:1 is great 14:19:26 first one I stepped on 14:19:30 got a hell sentinel 14:19:39 (durably summoned) 14:19:45 -!- godzilla has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:20:11 looks like you get maybe 1 per level 14:20:16 so it's not too horrible 14:20:44 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:00 now add amnesia traps so you forget where the zot trap was 14:23:16 03gammafunk02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-26-g4a8cb17: Some 4.1 fun: fast hydras and Zot traps from D:1 down 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a8cb1754b31 14:25:47 gammafunk: you are a bad person 14:25:54 :3 14:26:39 i kinda want to replace the player doll in the nostalgia branch with an @ sign 14:26:42 -!- ach_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:26:51 do we have old style Zot orb vaults? 14:27:02 we have the subvaults 14:27:06 great 14:27:18 %git nostalgia^1 14:27:18 07gammafunk02 * 0.14-b1-25-g152ce74: "Orb chamber subvaults", a memoir by gammafunk 10(75 minutes ago, 1 file, 347+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=152ce740382b 14:27:52 -!- MakMorn has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:27:59 ontoclasm: I was going to revive the fetus orb guardian tile, but you could do if you want 14:28:05 -!- BanquosGhost has quit [Read error: No route to host] 14:28:06 oh man 14:28:09 do it 14:28:23 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.15-a0-19-gdf4b596: Crystal ball tile 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df4b596b3f22 14:29:12 did you bring back banded mail and ankuses 14:29:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.15-a0-20-g1f4831d: Clarify a fall-through (gammafunk) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1f4831d45726 14:29:40 erm. when I checkout nostalgia, I end up in a 'detached head' state 14:29:53 heh 14:30:29 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:30:44 |amethyst: but surely it's better to not do that hijinks! 14:30:54 I guess a comment is better than nothing 14:31:07 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:31:49 bh: not sure why that would be, you aren't in the middle of a rebase or something? 14:31:58 let me check. I don't think so 14:32:08 <|amethyst> gammafunk: suggestions? 14:32:28 |amethyst: you're are better programmer than I 14:32:29 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:36 gah, and probably a typist 14:32:44 crawl git:(master) git checkout nostalgia > error: pathspec 'nostalgia' did not match any file(s) known to git. 14:33:09 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:33:26 bh: well git checkbout -b nostalgia origin/nostalgia 14:33:34 <|amethyst> gammafunk: this isn't much more readable: 14:33:35 <|amethyst> return (you.where_are_you == BRANCH_TEMPLE 14:33:36 <|amethyst> || !player_in_connected_branch() 14:33:36 <|amethyst> && you.where_are_you != BRANCH_PANDEMONIUM) 14:33:36 <|amethyst> ? 0 : random2avg(9,2); 14:33:36 not sure why it can't guess the right remote branch 14:34:02 <|amethyst> bh: make sure you do a git fetch origin first 14:34:14 |amethyst: yeah, I did a fetch --all 14:35:11 |amethyst: I'd probably just do it as an if 14:35:17 and remove the switch 14:36:18 <|amethyst> if (you.where_are_you == BRANCH_TEMPLE) 14:36:18 <|amethyst> return 0; 14:36:18 <|amethyst> else if (player_in_connected_branch() 14:36:18 <|amethyst> || you.where_are_you == BRANCH_PANDEMONIUM) 14:36:18 <|amethyst> { 14:36:20 <|amethyst> return random2avg(9, 2); 14:36:23 <|amethyst> } 14:36:25 <|amethyst> else 14:36:28 <|amethyst> return 0; 14:38:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:38:14 <|amethyst> I guess that at least isn't misleading like having default: in the middle is 14:39:20 <|amethyst> anyway, figure something out and fix it if you like; I must be going 14:40:30 I love how "Ogre-Mage" was a species 14:40:37 "Human-Firefighter" 14:41:53 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:42:16 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:03 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:45:17 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 15:17:12 -!- dizzy__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:18:03 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:18:16 gammafunk: Would you consider it alternative style, correct or incorrect to place the [return random2avg(9,2);] in an else block? 15:18:18 gah, I just realized that said function is called in only one place and from another file in a function where those few lines could easily leive 15:18:22 *live 15:19:11 gammafunk: Might also want to rename it to "num_of_traps_per_branch" or something, place is vauge. 15:19:30 reaverb: I think if I touch it again, I'll just delete said function and document the caller 15:20:22 that's one area where I might like to see said data moved to a branch-data 15:20:24 gammafunk: So you would inline the function in _place_traps() ? 15:21:05 well inline as in move that if statement there, yeah 15:21:28 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:21:33 gammafunk: Yes, that data should probably be in branch-data. 15:21:45 Oh, could you answer this: 15:21:56 gammafunk: Would you consider it alternative style, correct or incorrect to place the [return random2avg(9,2);] in an else block? 15:22:18 hrm, I have no strong opinion on that, you might ask |amethyst what he thinks though 15:22:33 return is sort of special 15:22:33 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:40 one thing that's important is to all blocks like 15:23:16 if simple_condition_that_invalidates_the_rest_of_the_following_complex_code { return false } 15:23:27 and then the meat of the function 15:23:42 you don't want to wrap the entire subsequent complex stuff in another level of indent 15:23:44 wow 15:23:53 armour skills titles are the same as in initial revision 15:24:10 but in the case of that tiny function it doesn't matter 15:24:48 s/all blocks/allow blocks/ 15:29:23 -!- mckenzie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:30:25 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:30:48 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:34:19 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:36:28 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:37:50 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 15:38:33 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-22-gc144fa5: Don't increase holy word power when worshipping a good god 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c144fa5b392b 15:38:33 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-23-gfd8676b: More item description improvements 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 20+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd8676bef1cf 15:38:33 03MarvinPA02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14-b1-5-g65625da: Improve branch descriptions some more 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 59+ 63-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=65625da0abcb 15:38:33 03MarvinPA02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14-b1-6-gd6e55b3: Improve feature descriptions 10(12 hours ago, 2 files, 112+ 184-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d6e55b3b6912 15:38:33 03MarvinPA02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14-b1-7-gd33d20b: Show full branch descriptions when examining the stairs to a branch 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 15+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d33d20b45eca 15:38:33 03MarvinPA02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14-b1-8-g567e178: Update and improve item descriptions 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 169+ 261-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=567e17842d9f 15:38:33 03MarvinPA02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14-b1-9-ge2e558d: More item description improvements 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 20+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2e558d5c36e 15:39:15 rip holy word tech 15:40:25 rip swashbuckling 15:42:52 03wheals02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-28-g95af858: RESTORED TITLES TO THEIR FORMER GLORY! MUA-HA! 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 23+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95af858f1c5d 15:44:53 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:46:28 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:46:54 very crazy @genus@ 15:47:11 !lg * title~~crazy sklev=27 15:47:12 3. rgould the Very Crazy Halfling (L27 HaHe of Elyvilon), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2008-06-08 15:29:17, with 1396449 points after 109665 turns and 17:42:51. 15:47:45 also grunt can get Grunt the Grunt 15:48:04 but of course 15:48:07 !lg * name=grunt 15:48:08 No games for * (name=grunt). 15:48:09 andi can get Eat the Hurler, First Class 15:48:22 sgrunt the grunt, at any rate 15:48:38 eat the dwarf darts champion? 15:49:15 mmm 15:49:26 eat the ogre-mage darts chapmion 15:50:04 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:50:24 i think the @genus@ of ogre-mages might just be ogre 15:51:09 sad 15:51:50 -!- secularist has quit [] 15:52:24 eat the grunt sounds good to me 15:52:53 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 15:53:08 i still need a Rich title so i can achieve title nirvana 15:53:44 ontoclasm: gold god invo title????? 15:55:58 so i'll be able to get it in 0.27 then 15:57:15 !lg * title~~pike s=-title 15:57:16 470 games for * (title~~pike): Pike-Centaur, Pike-Elf, Pike-Vampire, Pike-Troll, 3x Pike-Ogre, 3x Pike-Mummy, 6x Pike-Demigod, 7x Pike-Dwarf, 9x Pike-Draconian, 11x Pike-Human, 11x Pike-Naga, 13x Pike-Kenku, 28x Pike-Minotaur, 54x Pike-Orc, 64x Pike-Demonspawn, 257x Pike-Merfolk 16:00:57 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:02:17 -!- Amnesiac|2 is now known as Amnesiac 16:02:57 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:13:50 -!- Weeksy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:14:16 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19:06 !messages 16:19:06 No messages for TZer0. 16:21:28 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:22:43 -!- notclui has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:23:31 should i really be beneficial to carry uncursed trash wearables to absorb mummy curses? 16:23:57 does someone actually do that? 16:24:14 m-maybe 16:24:38 huge waste of time. funny though 16:25:23 when you normally encounter them one or two scrolls are probably enough to remove curses from your entire inventory 16:25:30 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:25:37 and by the time you have more stuff you can probably drop everything and just punch them to death 16:25:48 ?? mummy[6] 16:25:48 mummy[6/8]: Take your gear off, drop it all, including your weapon, and challenge a mummy to a good old fashioned round of fisticuffs. Not only does this avoid the death curse, it is also extremely gentlemanly. 16:26:28 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:26:57 how about changing the death curse of plain mummies to level 1 necro miscasts? 16:27:05 nothing too nasty 16:27:13 ??necro miscast 16:27:13 necromancy miscast[1/1]: By severity: 1: Slowing, (living) 5-19 dmg, rotting. 2: 1-3 shadows, (living) draining, 15-37 damage. 3: Reaper, soul eater, 1-7 statloss, draining, (living) severe rot, or torment. 16:27:13 ??necromancy miscasts 16:27:14 necromancy miscasts ~ necromancy miscast[1/1]: By severity: 1: Slowing, (living) 5-19 dmg, rotting. 2: 1-3 shadows, (living) draining, 15-37 damage. 3: Reaper, soul eater, 1-7 statloss, draining, (living) severe rot, or torment. 16:27:27 19dmg sounds quite a lot 16:27:28 rot could be nasty at low levels 16:27:30 maybe if it didnt rot 16:27:31 and the damage, actually 16:27:32 also rot 16:28:00 how about just slow, then :p 16:28:43 i wonder how relevant that would be 16:29:30 -!- Darky- has quit [] 16:30:01 depends, could be nasty in an early ossuary with lots of mummies 16:30:08 it would be hard to less relevant than curse 16:30:31 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:30:52 but at least then it wouldn't be so irrelevant avoiding it isn't worth the arrows sticks to snakes takes 16:30:58 which is the current situation more or less 16:31:24 basically it'd make them like komodo dragons 16:31:51 status effect that's nasty if other enemies are nearby & just involves extra resting otherwise 16:32:25 well, sick is often not relevant even without monsters nearby 16:32:29 *with 16:32:48 guaranteeing slow on death seems pretty bad in tomb 16:33:44 since why would you even kill them 16:33:57 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:34:11 yes that sounds bad 16:35:22 if anything it'd be nice to get rid of the god damn flat damage on death curses 16:35:33 making slow melee-only monsters have any sort of death curses is really not good design 16:35:53 i've been tempted to do something like clear tomb except never kill guardian mummies to prove a point 16:36:07 but that would be really boring and also require me to get to tomb 16:36:26 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:36:41 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:37:59 guardian mummies block los and that's really it 16:38:10 they're threatening in that early ossuary? maybe? 16:38:13 guardian mummy (08M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 7 | HP: 37-54 | AC/EV: 6/9 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(46), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 329 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 16:38:13 %??guardian mummy 16:38:15 LoF 16:38:18 nvm they're slow 16:38:25 lof, los, w/e 16:38:38 They're nice bags of experience in that one early ossuary. 16:38:59 yeah that's good xp 16:39:01 Grinder (025) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 1105(pain) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(24), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 322 | Sp: pain (d10), paralyse, blink | Sz: little | Int: normal. 16:39:01 %??grinder 16:39:08 nice 16:39:46 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:42:36 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:33 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:44:07 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 16:45:36 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:56:03 -!- Reign__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:56:46 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:58:42 Staff of Energy not preventing hunger loss by TeshiAlair 17:02:00 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:15 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:13 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140324030203]] 17:07:37 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.15-a0-23-gfd8676b (34) 17:09:33 -!- Cabadath has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:58 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 17:16:03 -!- sinusoidal has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:16:36 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Client Quit] 17:17:38 oh hey, does Lantell do a continuous build? 17:19:43 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:20:56 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:21:53 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:21:53 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:22:01 -!- MakMorn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:22:25 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:56 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:26:31 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:53 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:03 I guess all the crawl servers must do a continuous build? since they all run trunk from head 17:27:14 or maybe one does, and the rest just wget the new binary from there 17:27:17 -!- MakMorn has quit [Client Quit] 17:27:41 not continuous, generally it's on a schedule although it can be manually triggered 17:27:41 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:56 -!- MakMorn has left ##crawl-dev 17:28:01 clan just has a very slooooow build 17:28:13 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:16 well, continuous-ish 17:28:44 continuesque 17:28:58 yeah, generally trunk is less than 24 hours outdated 17:29:20 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:30:10 <|amethyst> nrook: they update independently, each doing its own builds of trunk and whatever other branches they want 17:31:03 Ah, okay. So it is basically a continuous build, just one that happens rarely. Is that built into dgamelaunch or some other piece of software, or did everybody implement it independently? 17:31:03 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:33:01 <|amethyst> pretty much all the servers are based on greensnark's dgamelaunch-config software. CDO is somewhat different 17:33:27 <|amethyst> (dgamelaunch-config being separate from dgamelaunch) 17:34:00 <|amethyst> for the most part they're daily builds 17:34:06 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:34:13 <|amethyst> but can be triggered manually 17:34:25 such as when people like me break things 17:34:41 <|amethyst> CSZO actually did hourly builds at first 17:34:43 hypothetically 17:34:49 oh, was it just too expensive? 17:35:26 <|amethyst> not really, it's just that there wasn't enough time to spot and fix save compat bugs before going live 17:35:40 wait, there's manual testing for save compat? 17:35:46 <|amethyst> though the number of versions of crawl would be somewhat prohibitive without some forced transfers 17:35:56 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:00 <|amethyst> nrook: not really 17:36:15 <|amethyst> nrook: just people looking at commits and saying "hey, wait a minute" 17:36:26 <|amethyst> and of course people playing trunk and reporting bugs :) 17:36:37 ah, ok, so "code review" :p 17:36:40 post-submit code review 17:36:48 <|amethyst> post-commit code review :) 17:36:52 -!- Amnesiac|2 is now known as Amnesiac 17:36:57 post-build code review 17:37:04 <|amethyst> sometimes that happens, yes 17:37:08 <|amethyst> like this morning :) 17:37:15 although some of us do pull after (some) commits and report on problems with the build 17:39:14 I wonder if you could test for that automatically in some easy way. Are most save compat bugs just "oh, crawl crashes now?" Or are they subtler? 17:39:42 subtler 17:40:28 <|amethyst> nrook: in this case it was "granite statues in saves turn into malign gateways when loaded" 17:40:34 <|amethyst> (and other things) 17:40:51 open sea -> lava sea, etc. 17:41:15 there are some infamous ones, like when someone deleted a monster enum and Ijyb in a saved game turned into Gloorx Vloq 17:41:28 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:41:37 the most common thing is enums going out of order somehow and things being loaded back as the wrong enum, yeah 17:41:56 hahaha 17:42:33 you could probably test for unintended enum changes if you were careful, but it'd be a bit tricky 17:42:57 -!- User__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:43:02 -!- Reign__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:43:20 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:43:38 nrook: amethyst wrote a good blog post on how save compat works after it broke in a fun way a while ago: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/save-compatibility-in-dcss-2 17:43:57 <|amethyst> I've been trying to come up with a design that tracks that during build and generates the necessary conversion code 17:44:08 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:44:31 MarvinPA: pro link, thanks 17:44:37 <|amethyst> it's kind of difficult to handle intentional changes though 17:44:48 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:45:27 yeah, I think the best you can do would be a DID_I_INTENTIONALLY_MUCK_UP_ENUMS=yes line in the commit that disables whatever tests would run 17:45:58 <|amethyst> this wouldn't be just about tests, though, but also creating code to transfer saves 17:46:17 well, i intentionally mucked up enums but missed a certain case 17:46:25 how would you...what is the...what would cause an eggplant to appear, what kind of bug? 17:46:25 <|amethyst> yeah, that too 17:46:54 <|amethyst> Cabadath: incorrect subtype on a piece of ammo 17:47:06 <|amethyst> Cabadath: could be save compatibility problems 17:47:17 would anyone be interested if I hooked up the crawl master repo to a vm running jenkins or something, for a real continuous build? I'm looking for an excuse to muck about with open source build/test tooling 17:47:20 <|amethyst> if this was an old game transferred to a new version 17:47:46 <|amethyst> nrook: that would be great 17:48:00 -!- Amnesiac|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:48:00 <|amethyst> nrook: when kilobyte was active he did regular stress-testing 17:48:41 alright, I'll continue mucking about then 17:49:19 I should probably get permission from my manager to do this, actually, since I work in dev tooling 9-5 too :P I think it'll be ok though 17:49:24 I was just wondering because I was reading that item description changelog...not because I actually had one. 17:49:29 <|amethyst> our testing scripts mostly consist of running arena or a bot and watching for crashes 17:49:33 <|amethyst> Cabadath: aha 17:49:57 |amethyst: that's a reasonable integration testing strategy for crawl, I think 17:50:35 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:52:24 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:00:24 !tell ontoclasm I put on my robe and https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/wizardhat.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/wizardhat2.png 18:00:24 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 18:05:50 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:06:03 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:07:16 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:11:28 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:11:57 rip wizard hats 18:13:01 did you know: unity runs really slowly in a vm 18:13:33 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:15:29 * geekosaur runs xfce4+xmonad in his linux vm :p 18:17:37 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:32 yes, I am seeing much "apt-get install xfce4" in my future 18:18:47 -!- nooodl has quit [Quit: Ik ga weg] 18:20:12 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:22:51 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:23:26 nrook what is vm? 18:23:41 virtual machine 18:24:20 virtual machine, runs fake computer inside real computer 18:24:44 it lets you do things like run linux under windows or mac 18:25:56 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:28:00 I know what a virtual machine is and Unity is...I didn't know the abbreviation... 18:28:23 Why were you running Unity in a Virtual Machine though? Trying to run a Windows game on a Linux machine? 18:29:21 wrong unity :) in addition to being a game thingy, unity is also a desktop provided by ubuntu 18:29:22 -!- Scytale has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:29:32 notably, it's 3d only, so it is running slowly in my vm 18:30:44 I'm a Unity3D developer (professionally) so...of course that's my first thought. 18:31:16 ah, that makes sense 18:31:30 presumably that unity would also be slow in a vm! 18:32:11 -!- evilmike has quit [] 18:32:32 -!- tksquared has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:32:42 -!- pisano1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:37:25 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:39:15 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:15 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:15 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 18:39:15 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:54 The editor...tended to lock up on my old computer and is why I bought this one. 18:40:23 3DS Max was worse. [It doesn't work well with integrated graphics; needed a computer with an actual graphics card.] 18:41:55 -!- jeffro_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:43:11 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:21 Is there any special caution I need to take when renaming a god? 18:44:34 nrook: take a guess why ubuntu is getting a lot of flak 18:45:04 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:35 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:52 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:53 bh: nostalgia branch doesn't care about save comptability. 18:46:08 But no anyway, I don't remember a minor version tag when Dith was renamed. 18:46:28 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:35 bh: I think it screws up Sequell's logs 18:47:37 make sure to change the altar names too, i guess? 18:47:47 Lucy welcomes you! You can now depart the Abyss. 18:47:59 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:01 otherwise nothing particularly code-wise that I know of different from any other rename 18:48:08 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:49:23 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:51:13 If we're doing old god names, be sure to rename Trog to Lugafu the Hairy. 18:51:15 <_< 18:51:22 was trog ever actually named that 18:51:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:51:32 I mean, clearly he should be 18:52:07 I'm back to trying to compile on win7. I'm getting this error: make[1] entering director '/d/crawl/crawl-ref/source/contrib 18:52:19 The 'pcre' directory exists but the MAkefile is missing! 18:52:36 git submodule update ran without errors, but it's asking me if it worked properly 18:54:09 Lugafu the Hairy? really? 18:54:29 ??lugafu 18:54:29 hair stats[1/1]: extremely bad hair <10, awful hair <30, poor hair <60, choko hair <90, normal hair <120, quite good hair<160, very nice hair<220, extreme hair<300, extraordinary hair <400, incredible hair <520, uncanny hair <700, almost entirely hair >=700 18:54:35 ...wut? 18:54:40 <|amethyst> Lasty1: did you do git submodule update --init ? 18:54:41 nice 18:55:45 03bh02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-29-g3e6010a: Lucy! I'm home! 10(7 minutes ago, 10 files, 18+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e6010aad566 18:55:46 don't forget to rename dithmenos seth 18:55:46 wheals: I find it hilarious your last comment on your reddit account explictly mentions that you are not a dev. 18:55:46 I didn't 18:55:46 et me try that 18:55:46 heh 18:56:38 the commit messages keep getting better! 18:56:50 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:57:02 LUGAFU MAD 18:58:19 Is nostagia going to get the hive put back? 18:58:30 wasn't that one of the first things 18:58:36 %git nostalgia^^{/ive} 18:58:36 07Grunt02 * 0.14-b1-20-gddf374c: Revive multizapping (tenofswords). 10(19 hours ago, 2 files, 0+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ddf374c4e919 18:58:39 bah 18:58:42 %git nostalgia^^{/Hive} 18:58:43 07gammafunk02 * 0.14-b1-9-g100d848: Make Hive generate on the proper Dungeon range 10(29 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=100d848f7b3f 18:58:54 no, but http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=bc71788f738dc728014a34f53459d00cc8f4d8ee 18:59:04 it is indeed back 18:59:15 I need some Lugafu titles 18:59:23 "Bald %s" 18:59:30 dumb question, but was there a huge ruckus when Lugonu replaced Lucy? 18:59:38 doubt it 19:00:11 based on how many devs keep referring to that god as Lucy in here or commits made me wonder 19:00:20 may be confirmation bias too 19:00:31 old time crawlers in general do that 19:00:36 <|amethyst> johnstein: "Lucy" now is the shorthand, like "Kiku" 19:00:54 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-24-g47bd155: Adjust some ossuaries 10(57 minutes ago, 1 file, 39+ 54-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=47bd15533bd1 19:00:54 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-25-gcfb3522: Add some missing god lastnames 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cfb352212ea3 19:00:54 03MarvinPA02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14-b1-10-g0a0cbe4: Add some missing god lastnames 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a0cbe4aedeb 19:00:55 and Troggy 19:02:04 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:13 wraith (16W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-45 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1313(drain speed) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(56), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 210 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 19:02:13 %??wraith 19:02:16 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:16 that's not slow 19:02:19 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:02:41 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:00 -!- Amnesiac|2 is now known as Amnesiac 19:03:34 I just had a brilliant nostalgia branch idea, assuming I can get it working. 19:03:37 * Grunt goes to work on it. 19:04:23 Grunt: since we're talking about old things then why not make cacodemons https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Tomato8b.png old 19:04:55 that's a good tilename 19:06:58 Grunt: Is "You bash the [monster] in the knee!" a staff attack message yet? 19:07:30 might go well along with "You slap the [monster] across the wrists!" 19:08:40 "You poke the Gnoll in the eye!!" 19:10:32 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:12:34 sounds like AF_KLOWN messages 19:13:54 fr Klown klass 19:14:10 why have Jesters 19:14:13 when you can be a Klown 19:14:23 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:16:10 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 19:16:42 ...kyahahahahaha, this works perfectly. 19:17:02 what is it 19:17:07 Just a second... 19:17:14 ..!!! 19:17:41 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-30-ge5cda12: Revive the ancient Swamp layout. 10(43 seconds ago, 3 files, 43+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5cda1217152 19:17:43 Victory dancing? 19:18:21 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:18:49 -!- nrook has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:18:57 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:58 grunt pls 19:18:59 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:10 agreed 19:19:11 y u do dis 19:19:17 Not oldswamp, but oldoldswamp (the one which probably nobody remembers by now). 19:19:36 was it even more nostalgic than oldswamp 19:19:44 twice as 19:19:50 now we need to track down the watery terrain advantage code 19:19:52 Grunt: The one which looks like one big room? 19:20:06 probably the stabbing in a vulnerable spot!! stuff too 19:20:17 s??it[stabbed 19:20:18 it[38/41]: it was stabbed in a vulnerable spot! 19:20:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:21:43 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:25:35 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 19:26:07 -!- Amnesiac|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:26:39 aNCIENT SWAMP? IS THAT LIKE WHERE THE SWAMP WORS CHEAT? 19:26:53 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:26:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 19:27:32 YES 19:27:34 STOP 19:27:50 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 19:28:34 I think "vulnerable spot" was a 4.1ism. 19:28:35 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 19:28:48 Watery terrain advantages were definitely in pre-4.1 though! 19:28:55 (I bet that went away in the combat rewrite) 19:29:32 0.5 seems to be the last major version with it. 19:29:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:29:52 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:48 %git 445a015 19:30:48 07due02 * 0.6.0-a1-2587-g445a015: Remove monster and player water attack bonus. 10(4 years, 2 months ago, 2 files, 1+ 46-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=445a01597390 19:30:49 aha 19:31:11 0.5 was only 4 years ago? o_o; 19:31:42 in 4.1 at least the water monster didn't have to be in water 19:32:08 -!- Ketsa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 19:33:18 oh jesus christ double damage 19:33:52 The hydra uses the watery terrain to its advantage. 19:33:57 hm 19:34:00 The Lernaean hydra uses the watery terrain to its advantage. 19:34:16 Grunt: cpa+gr oughta fix that problem 19:34:38 except gargoyles didn't exist back then!! 19:35:06 !tell tenofswords what should happen to the spider room in evilmike_haunted_forest? 19:35:06 wheals: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 19:35:25 To its advantage...is 2* damage? ...ouch. I just thought it was something like teleporting between places of water? 19:35:41 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:36:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:37:56 Reading EWIII causes re-announcement of labyrinth by WalkerBoh 19:38:15 a good bug 19:38:46 presumably my fault but i'm mystified enough that I don't want to try to fix it 19:39:44 Define 'good bug'? 19:40:11 no 19:40:12 something as unusual as enchant weapon 3 19:40:12 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:40:14 We've seen other random things cause that reannouncement. 19:40:24 causes labyrinths to reannounce themselves 19:40:45 seems more likely to me that it's the scroll ID code somehow, rather than ew3 specifically 19:41:36 but fuck if I know 19:42:12 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:02 that would explain some things I've seen, yeh 19:43:32 like the game where I id-d a bunh of scrolls on a level that had (iirc) lab and volcano 19:43:42 and I got repeatedly spammed with their messages 19:44:23 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:45:23 Well I've read ID'd a lot of scroll on a portal floor and hadn't got a repeat announcement. I tend to do that in early game. If there's an early floor with a portal, readID scrolls in hopes of Magic Mapping to get to the portal in time. 19:50:57 -!- iFurril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:57 -!- myp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:57 -!- Watball has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:50:57 yes, it's probably a more specific problem than just read-id 19:50:57 -!- wHATEver is now known as Guest17599 19:50:57 |amethyst: thanks! It compiled clean. I appreciate your assistance. 19:51:18 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 19:53:06 Fixing wanderer starting kit by Lasty 19:54:37 -!- Isasaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:54:37 Lasty1: I would definetly run that patch by some people who play a lot of wanderers, like Elynae (although he isn't really active.) 19:54:48 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:55:19 I put it up in the forum -- how should I reach out to others? 19:55:37 It got several thanks and no responses 19:55:45 Lasty1: I'm not sure. Maybe annoucance it in ##crawl? 19:56:30 Lasty1: Thanks isn't a really good measure because some players have great insights but don't thank much while others have a lot of bad ideas but thank a ton. 19:57:05 sure 19:57:27 I figured if there were people who objected, they'd reply 19:58:13 03elliptic02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-31-gd522fde: Replace amulet of stasis with amulet of resist slowing. 10(11 minutes ago, 23 files, 69+ 128-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d522fdef295c 19:58:23 elliptic: <3 19:58:53 my contribution to nostalgia 19:59:10 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:59:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:20 Lasty1: looks vaguely reasonable at a glance, take a look at docs/develop/coding_conventions.txt though for crawl's indenting guidelines 20:00:33 oh, will do 20:00:56 Lasty1: Might want to approach someboy high on that !lg * Wn s=name and see if they like it, I don't really see anybody approachable in the channel. 20:01:53 I'll try to find one 20:02:15 maybe you should remove the huge stepdowns on berserk duration while you're at it 20:02:27 it might end up sitting on mantis for a bit since people will probably be doing 0.14/tourney stuff, so probably just mention it again here after the tourney if no devs have commented on it/pushed it in the meantime 20:02:33 pump and roll!!!!! 20:02:38 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night!] 20:02:46 ok, sounds good 20:02:56 thanks, MarvinPA 20:18:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-26-gf11ede5: Improve some help text 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f11ede57ac01 20:18:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.15-a0-27-gb893b98: Remove some out-of-date comments 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b893b9871a41 20:18:45 03MarvinPA02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14-b1-11-g31145ef: Improve some help text 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31145ef550df 20:30:56 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:56 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 20:30:57 I'd be fine w/ that too. I never got why they went up to +3 20:30:57 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 20:31:34 +3 leather armour is better / harder to replace w/ items from the dungeon 20:33:58 Disconnected rune vault in Swamp ending by Yermak 20:34:31 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:51 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:59 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 20:35:03 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:35:38 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:35:55 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:37:08 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:41:28 -!- Bcadren_ is now known as RunedPlateArmor 20:45:41 -!- RunedPlateArmor is now known as Plus5_PlateArmor 20:46:28 -!- Plus5_PlateArmor is now known as dietMtnDew 20:46:47 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:36 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:54:38 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:59:21 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 20:59:29 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:01:51 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:02:14 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:15 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:02:42 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:02:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:04:29 03bh02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-32-g177b72f: Lugafu the Hairy 10(5 minutes ago, 23 files, 60+ 57-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=177b72f3f0fc 21:07:01 bh: <3 21:07:27 -!- dietMtnDew is now known as ChokoHair 21:09:01 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 21:10:08 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:10:38 -!- kindanoobish has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:10:46 _has_hair must be one of the best functions in the source 21:16:23 Grunt: Did you bring back Ice Storm 21:16:45 too recent! 21:16:45 Or Djinn? Or Forest (dear GOD no) 21:17:33 think those are all way too recent 21:18:28 Ice Storm isn't too recent 21:18:32 only it's removal was 21:19:09 also "fast hydra" 21:19:13 that seems fucking terrifying 21:19:33 thank god for the haste unnerf 21:19:45 beware the slow nerf though 21:19:53 though you can wear rSlow i guess 21:20:26 please tell me old berserk is back 21:20:48 let me abuse the shit out of rSlow + 2xspeed & double HP berserk like old times 21:20:55 not yet, at any rate 21:21:04 * Lightli laughs manically 21:21:40 please tell me games under this will be tracked like how Jesters were 21:22:11 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:23:06 PLEASE 21:23:26 (also revert oka back to might + haste) 21:23:32 -!- reaverb is now known as NOPE_LIGHTLI 21:23:33 NOPE_LIGHTLI 21:23:40 -!- NOPE_LIGHTLI is now known as reaverb 21:23:50 yeah, the oka change should happen at some point 21:24:44 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 21:27:27 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 21:28:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:28:56 ...I just realized how easy winning a summoner will be with old spammals 21:29:08 -!- Pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:20 (also where are the old demons like blue deaths, pit fiends, and hairy devils) 21:31:00 clearly lugafu's wrath should include hairy devils 21:34:52 yes 21:35:19 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:35:52 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:36:34 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:37:23 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:39:00 wwait 21:39:06 which version of the abyss is going to be in 21:39:09 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:39:17 newabyss, oldabyss, or oldoldabyss? 21:39:19 ??oldoldabyss 21:39:20 I don't have a page labeled oldoldabyss in my learndb. 21:39:39 still just newest abyss 21:39:49 the realm ruled over by lucy 21:40:01 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:06 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-33-gf624a3c: Unnerf Okawaru. 10(2 minutes ago, 6 files, 29+ 53-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f624a3c6c5d8 21:41:08 k 21:41:08 although the idea of having to go through oldswamp with forest enemies in it is making me want to puke 21:41:08 oldoldswamp 21:41:08 oldOLDswamp? 21:41:34 The swamp that predated this: 21:41:36 %git c0aa968 21:41:37 07greensnark02 * 0.6.0-a1-2312-gc0aa968: Experimental level builder changes for Swamp. 10(4 years, 2 months ago, 10 files, 194+ 98-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0aa968809c8 21:41:42 oh god 21:42:03 is it the one in 4.1? 21:42:09 wheals: I think so! 21:42:12 so that abomination of a layout combined with spriggan druids and thorn hunters and 15 speed hydra 21:42:22 that one did look rather chaotic 21:42:33 mental note: do tomb before swamp 21:42:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:42:43 (also will bog mummies return?) 21:42:46 speaking of which 21:42:49 bring back mummy potion rot 21:42:51 can't wait to see the lair:8 deep troll shaman haste other his hydra 21:42:59 speed 30 hydra anyone 21:43:05 Shamans can only haste trolls. 21:43:08 ...oh 21:43:09 sad 21:43:11 :( 21:43:14 disaster averted 21:43:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:44:05 oh 21:44:05 hm 21:44:12 %git nostalgia^{/Unnerf mons} 21:44:14 07wheals02 * 0.14-b1-14-g8922f1d: Unnerf monsters. 10(24 hours ago, 2 files, 19+ 19-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8922f1d7b31d 21:44:22 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:44:51 ...thought so. 21:44:54 You missed something important. 21:45:04 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-34-gbe106eb: Buff Lerny to "modern" hydra standards. 10(35 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=be106ebe1c5e 21:45:06 what, pray tell? 21:45:21 oh, of course 21:45:34 i wasn't the one who made hydras speed 15, of course 21:45:50 %git :/fast hyd 21:45:51 07gammafunk02 * 0.14-b1-26-g4a8cb17: Some 4.1 fun: fast hydras and Zot traps from D:1 down 10(8 hours ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a8cb1754b31 21:45:55 ...oh 21:46:02 >_> 21:46:11 i don't think they were ever fast in stone soup? 21:46:16 NOPE 21:46:34 wait 21:46:44 Ha, what if the AC nerf was added to nostalgia 21:46:47 are we going to bring back SECRET DOO- 21:46:50 !abyss Lightli 21:46:51 Lightli casts a spell. Lightli is devoured by a tear in reality! 21:46:56 !abyss reaverb 21:46:56 wheals casts a spell. reaverb is devoured by a tear in reality! 21:47:00 no nerfs! 21:47:03 only unnerfs 21:47:30 you could unnerf heavy armor back to how it was in the old versions 21:47:42 and get rid of spell range limits 21:47:52 -!- Lysalla has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:47:59 and make PDA have the same encumb as SwDA like it used to be 21:50:13 03elliptic02 07[stone_soup-0.14] * 0.14-b1-12-g1e0207d: Fix unrand staves being far more common than other unrand weapons. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e0207d72fd6 21:50:14 Grunt: Also if we're unnerfing XXX, make it go back to how it was in .1 21:50:14 i.e. duration of forever 21:50:51 er, I should remember to push things in the right order I guess 21:50:57 so as not to confuse chei 21:51:02 * Grunt pushes elliptic. 21:52:15 03elliptic02 07* 0.15-a0-28-ga1f80c0: Fix unrand staves being far more common than other unrand weapons. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a1f80c0991a7 21:52:17 Grunt: so when were hydras slowed down? 21:52:49 wheals: that's a misunderstanding - hydras were sped up in 4.1 vs 4.0 21:53:09 oh, you said NOPE when i said they were never fast in stone soup 21:53:38 i guess that was the type of NOPE that's an agreement 21:54:00 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:16 elliptic: Are you going to cherry pick that into 0.14? 21:54:23 he did 21:54:24 reaverb: he did! 21:54:25 he did first 21:54:26 preemptively 21:54:27 I already did 21:54:42 Hmm, need to read the logs better. 21:56:18 wait, are we naming bastard swords and claymores back to double/triple swords? 21:56:27 or was that too recent 21:56:35 Lightli: too recent, I'll guess. 21:56:40 hm, that sounds fair 21:56:40 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:56:42 also we could bring back katanas 21:56:51 that sounds like work 21:57:39 -!- blackcustard has quit [Client Quit] 21:57:43 -!- sinusoidal has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:58:01 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:34 they're not still in there just to support the autumn katana? 21:58:58 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:34 no, the autumn katana is a base-stat-changed demon blade 21:59:51 oh god 22:00:03 a blessed katana with the autumn katana's stats would be the best weapon ever 22:00:11 base 15 min delay 5 22:04:01 so how long will nostalgia be up? 22:04:41 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-35-g8ad0d19: Fix a few hairy problems with vaults. 10(38 seconds ago, 3 files, 16+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ad0d1911010 22:04:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:05:00 likely around a week... but you can keep your own checkout around forever. I still have a jester build somewhere 22:12:25 * Lightli hopes to god those games will be tracked 22:14:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:16:25 ooh 22:16:30 nostalgia branch idea: unnerf parrow 22:16:50 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11584 22:17:50 grunt: do it 22:18:24 ChokoHair: Greater food reform is coming in 0.15, this proposal shoud at the very least wait for that to resolve. 22:18:38 People have suggested fruit merging before, anyway. 22:18:56 UnNerf Tornado to0... 22:19:31 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:23:07 idea: plate armour -> plate mail 22:23:07 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:23:07 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:23:51 03wheals02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-36-g91e8cda: Multiply swords. 10(9 minutes ago, 24 files, 85+ 85-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=91e8cda95dbd 22:23:51 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-37-gcadb90d: Unnerf poison arrow. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cadb90d7ea6a 22:24:19 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:19 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 22:24:20 Are Stalkers, Reavers and Priests in Nostalgia? 22:24:21 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 22:24:42 Sort of, yes, and yes. 22:25:05 Evaporate too old and lost? 22:25:29 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 22:26:01 Eringya's Surprising Bouquet? 22:26:33 I might bring back evaporate if I have time tomorrow 22:26:38 eringya's would be amazing 22:26:51 gammafunk: I want the St spellbook to stay as it is :( 22:26:53 oh, terpichore (sic) 22:27:10 oh, well if you don't want evaporate 22:27:12 then so be it 22:27:50 It's a common request I hear when talking about this, but we have a lot of stuff already 22:34:45 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 22:34:47 I feel like Old player spells that are still enemy spells or referenced for something would be easiest...but IDK... [Paralyze, Extension, Banishment, etc.] 22:34:51 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:35:11 I know someone who would be very happy if banishment came back 22:35:15 (it's nrook) 22:35:21 !abyss PleasingFungus 22:35:21 wheals casts a spell. PleasingFungus is devoured by a tear in reality! 22:35:22 ??extension 22:35:23 extension ~ tension[1/3]: dangerousness of everything in LOS, checks # of monsters, monster experience value, monster hp (almost-dead monsters are of little threat), monster enchantments (confusion, haste, berserk, might, etc.), player current hp, whether you're in the abyss (*3/2 tension) 22:35:25 nooo 22:35:29 also 22:35:32 what on earth is 'extension'? 22:35:45 1learn add extension what happens when a lava orc cools down 22:35:53 haha 22:36:51 Rod of Discovery too maybe...but not that spellschool itself...not Divinations. 22:38:05 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:39:48 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:40:50 Making Artificer start with Striking again? 22:41:20 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:41:39 the problem is that striking is usable now 22:44:05 True...Starting with a usable rod isn't bad...but it's not the same. [For serious main branch I'd like a rod start to come back, but nothing powerful enough to use past early D.] 22:45:30 the problem is that all rods are good now. except arguably striking 22:45:40 but it's a lot better 22:45:55 start them with a -5 (2/2) rod of striking 22:46:15 ooo 22:46:21 you could upgrade it as you went! 22:46:26 if you liked making bad decisions 22:46:34 it would be basically unusable unless you liked pressing 5 a lot 22:46:35 re recharge scrolls 22:46:36 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:46:48 i wasn't exactly serious 22:47:14 it seems like a pretty bad idea to encourage waiting around forever like that, yeah 22:48:05 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-38-ga726a56: Fix some tile names. 10(10 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a726a565585c 22:48:05 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-39-g4602a09: Unnerf Tornado. 10(11 minutes ago, 4 files, 20+ 115-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4602a098dcd6 22:48:11 +0 2/2, clearly 22:48:36 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:49:12 is tornado level 8 again 22:49:31 oops 22:49:31 Idea I had: Rod of Accuracy (can't miss; compares your Evo vs. HD to apply glow). Damage never gets above Magic Dart levels, but the glow effect makes it valid as a support weapon for a caster or a switch for an archer or artificer the whole game... 22:49:34 I knew I missed something. 22:50:24 03Grunt02 07[nostalgia] * 0.14-b1-40-gd821eb7: Make Tornado level 8 again. 10(44 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d821eb7b25e7 22:50:44 corona, high-powered spell 22:50:51 corona + magic dart 22:50:53 no less 22:53:51 -!- blackflare has quit [] 22:55:17 !tell sd1989 In case nobody has mentioned it to you yet, 0.14 has branched and it would be good to set up a branch on your server for it. 22:55:17 Grunt: OK, I'll let sd1989 know. 22:55:48 Corona is a level 1 effect too, but checking HD instead of MR is unique. *shrug* Fedhas has it available checking nothing and it's a side effect of sticky flame (checking rSticky only). 22:56:14 fedhas doesn't give sticky flame 22:57:20 wheals I didn't say he did. 22:58:16 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 22:59:11 Fedhas sunlight is a corona source that checks nothing. 22:59:27 what I am saying is that a rod of corona + magic dart sounds really bad 22:59:59 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:42 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:02:18 Grunt: Quick question; when did summon kills get the 50% exp penalty? 23:02:21 I was trying to come up with something that was reasonable starting weapon, but not so weak it'd be completely useless. 23:02:53 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03:00 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:03:05 how about a short sword 23:03:09 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:32 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:36 >_< 23:04:21 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:30 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:31 PleasingFungus: Extension was a spell which extended the duration of most buff spells. So for example, if you had Repel Missiles, See Invisible, and Phase Shift self-enchaments up, you could cast Extension and add a bunch of time to all three enchantments. 23:04:42 oh god 23:04:50 the worst solution to buff management 23:04:55 -!- reaverb1 is now known as blinkfrog 23:06:21 I want a rod start to be possible again, so I was trying to come up with something that's not so avertly powerful, but not useless if you had a hard time finding other Evo items; something reasonable to start with. 23:07:41 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:08:58 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:10:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:10:41 Apparently the half exp thing predates DCSS. 23:12:36 whew 23:13:08 -!- nimitz has left ##crawl-dev 23:15:59 -!- blinkfrog is now known as reaverb 23:16:44 do bog bodies go back to being bog mummies? 23:18:24 <|amethyst> Grunt: what about glyphs and colours? 23:18:31 -!- Escalator has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 28.0/20140314220517]] 23:18:59 <|amethyst> Grunt: I guess we could just include the *_monster_glyphs.txt from the default config, except those aren't up-to-date 23:19:05 |amethyst: meh :) 23:19:30 |amethyst: if players want the old glyphs they can apply them themselves! <_< 23:19:35 <|amethyst> and z to zap wands! 23:20:38 -!- HDA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:20:41 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:28:21 hm 23:28:42 |amethyst: Wait, how did you cast spells then? 23:28:44 If you read a fear scroll, you can see if you feared something invisible by whether it prints "Nothing appears to happen" or not. 23:28:55 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: hhggghhhghhnnnnnb] 23:29:23 Nothing appears to happen... ominous! 23:30:16 ...wait, perhaps this person has that message muted <_< 23:30:30 ontoclasm appears to have a Brimstone Fiend following him around. 23:30:54 is that like a Fiend? 23:31:03 well, looks like I'll have another treat for nostalgia 23:31:09 gammafunk: ? 23:31:24 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:32:27 Grunt: ??? 23:32:34 gammafunk: ????? 23:32:46 \n 23:32:55 gammafunk: what treat <_< 23:33:12 Do you like ending things in hellfire? 23:33:27 Do you like the way things USED to end in hellfire? 23:33:29 * wheals gates himself to Pandemonium! 23:33:39 * Grunt gestures. A raging storm of hellfire appears! The great blast of hellfire engulfs gammafunk! 23:33:48 It's old Veh! 23:34:15 rip 23:34:35 i'd add back the old ds muts if i hadn't seen that code once before already 23:37:10 <|amethyst> reaverb: Z i think 23:37:29 Wow that sounds annoying. 23:37:59 i think there were no spell ranges, though 23:39:53 -!- NomadJim has quit [*.net *.split] 23:42:00 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:42:08 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:42:52 oh yeah 23:43:03 bring back old hellfire 23:43:35 what was old hellfire 23:43:43 AC reduced it 23:43:47 what wasn't old hellfire 23:43:49 o 23:43:51 then what's the point 23:48:08 -!- MgDawn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:50:42 http://crawl.chaosforge.org/0.1 23:51:09 03Grunt02 07* 0.15-a0-29-ga6b5f5a: Fix some issues with TAG_MAJOR_VERSION > 34. 10(38 seconds ago, 3 files, 8+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6b5f5a65f59 23:51:23 huh, I'm surprised death drakes have been around that long 23:51:34 slaying is being removed?? 23:51:44 wheals: DUR_SLAYING 23:51:52 wheals: something you removed from BATTLELUST 23:51:57 who would remove DUR_SLAYING????? 23:52:06 it was such a great and intuitive effect 23:53:04 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:57:11 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection]