00:01:43 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:38 -!- bug_sniper is now known as sbluen 00:05:57 -!- sbluen is now known as bug_sniper 00:07:38 Grunt: Re: making new monsters (in this case I proposed "slime troll") timbw: I think gamma is safe | timbw: watch out for grunt though 00:09:01 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3555-gc453e02 (34) 00:09:33 what is a slime troll 00:10:17 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:10:28 Tr^Jiyva obviously. 00:10:31 !lg . trwz won 00:10:31 1. SGrunt the Sensei (L24 TrWz of Jiyva), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-04-26 00:35:31, with 1547218 points after 68290 turns and 3:37:42. 00:10:35 One of those (not necessarily a Wz). 00:10:43 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:14:16 -!- nrook has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:14:54 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:16:16 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140324030203]] 00:18:58 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:58 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 00:18:58 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:12 Since there's a lot of text changes happening before 0.14 is forked: http://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11513 00:19:31 That thread proposes changing the vamp equip message, which seems like a good idea to me. 00:19:47 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:22:33 yeah, Sar is probably right that it confuses people 00:22:39 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Client Quit] 00:23:07 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 00:23:37 making it take the wielder from satiated to near-starving is not bad, although the current system has the benefit of not penalizing the player (if the player doesn't want vamp, at least) 00:24:00 otoh vamp having said penalty is thematic 00:25:28 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:32 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:29:21 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:32:28 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:59 gammafunk: the idea is supposed to be that swapping it in and out costs permafood 00:35:00 (for most species) 00:35:22 this would not be the case if you could wield it while satiated 00:36:31 anyway I think it just needs better text 00:36:46 wow what happened this day last year, the 365-day bug balance went from +14 or something to +62 :( 00:37:29 also yeah, how is "This weapon is vampiric, and you must be Full or above to equip it." 00:37:46 "full or above" or "at least full" i don't know which is better 00:38:13 MarvinPA: that doesn't tell people that it will make them more hungry when they do wield it, not sure if that would be good or not 00:38:27 mm true 00:39:24 although nor does the current message (sort of?), and the problem mentioned in that thread is people not figuring out how to wield it at all 00:39:32 right, it would be an improvement 00:39:37 but yeah mentioning that somehow seems good too 00:39:56 MarvinPA: possibly 0.12 release related (re mantis)??? 00:40:04 %git 0.12-b1 00:40:04 07galehar02 * 0.12-b1: Fix formatting of some russian and german tutorial entries. 10(12 months ago, 2 files, 79+ 153-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a295f787a041 00:40:24 -!- Thalfon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:40:48 hm, maybe! 00:41:16 (also wow, we're actually pretty close to a consistent 6 month release cycle) 00:44:02 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:50 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:45:56 (or branching cycle at least) 00:48:58 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:49:19 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:53:08 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:55:35 hmm so here's an fr inspired by nethack's superior interface: when you start entering a number on the multidrop screen for partial stack dropping, display that number as you enter it (in the "drop what" title i guess) 00:56:14 (no idea if this is actually in vanilla nethack but it is in the variant i played) 00:56:31 Yes it is in vanilla 00:56:38 maybe i will implementable that, inventory menu stuff is scary 00:56:45 (3.2ish I think?) 00:58:04 It also shows the number as you type it before repeated commands etc. 01:03:03 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:57 -!- demiskeleton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:54 So, I'm pretty sure monster poison needle damage is still too low, watching stats for a while, and I think similar things are a bit off in a couple other places. Sadly, hard to make much change this close to a fixed branch date without risking overshooting since there isn't enough time to observe afterward =/ 01:09:07 (Acursed sample sizes for some things don't accumulate fast enough T.T) 01:09:36 But in more trivial changes, how about renaming fiery destruction to be somewhat less similar to destruction? 01:09:54 Like maybe 'rod of blasting' or 'rod of ignition' or something? 01:10:00 rod of incineration 01:10:10 blasting doesn't sound fire-specific to me 01:10:21 Display number of items to be dropped on multidrop screen when dropping partial stacks by MarvinPA 01:10:22 rod of explosions 01:10:23 the word is used for disint, for instance 01:10:23 rod of the inferno 01:10:42 Yes, the distint is fair. I suppose I was thinking in the context of demoloition 01:10:46 demolition* 01:10:53 Which itself feels too close to destruction, I think :P 01:11:04 fiery fire 01:11:16 Haha 01:12:02 ignition sounds okay to me, i'm fine with fiery destruction too i guess 01:12:54 I just find it slightly confusing that destruction could be shorthand for either. It reminds me a bit of the old dragon/fiend situation 01:13:00 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:13:12 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:13:26 rod of burnination 01:14:02 -!- master_j has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:14:24 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:14:26 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:14:55 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:15:25 I am still worried about several aspects of the current state of god wrath, to be honest. Not just frequency stuff, but the fact that it can hurl 3d48 worth of unexpected damage from nowhere at you >.> 01:15:31 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:18:28 And unlike summon or debuff wrath, what does one do to interact with this or avoid it, aside from 'never be at low health while Veh/etc. is angry with you'? 01:19:23 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 01:19:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:19:43 -!- Isasaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:20:53 -!- eb has quit [] 01:21:42 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:24:46 big damage number wraths seem not great in the same way that they weren't great for zot traps yeah 01:25:09 Hostile Battlespheres! :) 01:25:16 Well, these are larger than anything zot traps used to do, aren't they? 01:25:22 I thought Zot traps were always miscasts? 01:25:23 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:27:02 yes, no idea what the numbers were but probably not 3d48 01:29:20 Less than half, I think? 01:29:27 These are actual spells, cast at the HD of the player 01:29:39 (So that one is a crystal spear) 01:29:53 Someone has actually died to a random 60-damage crystal spear while resting 01:30:03 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:30:18 Though presumably it could do a lot more than 60 damage 01:30:28 (Not that 60 damage from nowhere seems good to me either) 01:30:35 dunno about 3d48 but you can get 10+d9+5d27 01:30:58 which has a higher maximum 01:31:07 What kind of miscast had that kind of damage? 01:31:14 ??beogh retribution 01:31:14 beogh retribution[1/1]: Destroying an orcish idol can result in Beogh smiting you for 10+d9+5d(your XL) damage. 100% chance of retribution for Beogh worshippers, 50% chance for other orcs, and 33% chance for other races. In addition, gods other than Beogh and Xom will prevent the smiting with a piety/400 chance if you are not under penance. 01:31:57 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:31:59 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:32:03 Is that a normal wrath effect in addition to a reaction for destroying idols? 01:32:25 yes 01:32:49 Well, that doesn't seem very good to me either 01:33:01 One other thing to keep in mind is that wrath now is timed to often occur shortly after battle 01:33:08 So it's much more likely to hit you while you're already injured 01:33:20 Which does make it more 'relevant', but I don't think this is a good kind of relevance 01:34:49 -!- Krakhan|2 has quit [] 01:38:38 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 01:38:56 I wonder if it is reasonable for direct damage god wrath to just not exist 01:39:26 Well, I don't think it can really work very well without operating in some considerably different fashion 01:39:48 I mean even if you do make it work it sort of is not very interesting in the best case 01:39:58 Like not lowering you below some particular threshold of health or something, but even that risks screwing you in some cases without warning (like if you are already in a terrible spot) 01:40:17 I think the 'best case' is that it makes some battle you are already engaged in a bunch more dangerous, but not unreasoably so 01:40:19 But that seems kind of hard 01:40:35 (Also, that's a lot easier to do with things like just... slowing you or tormenting you or something) 01:40:58 Well, the best case is exactly screwing you by hitting you down to 40 while you're fighting a pile of trolls or something 01:41:03 -!- gnum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41:16 or something about that, but... well 01:41:31 Well, what I meant by 'screwing you without warning' is more like 'you die suddenly on the turn it happens' 01:41:42 Even if not from the damage itself, but the damage plus the other damage you were already anticipating 01:41:58 Dying suddenly while resting seems extremely unsatisfying, though 01:42:04 (I have watched it happen in a few tvs now) 01:42:14 Even if you get to an interesting amount of like it's not more counterplay than you could have from just lucky shots 01:42:31 One poor soul who decided to switch gods pre-Lair (for some reason) got hit for basically his max hp :P 01:42:48 protip do that almost necer 01:42:50 never* 01:42:53 Not that wrath that early has ever been sane 01:42:57 So I am not so concerned with that 01:43:17 But with wrath at normal times to switch that seems to have become much more dangers in some ways that I don't think are good 01:43:43 With more frequent bursts of higher damage timed more often when you're injured, and such 01:44:17 God wrath is sort of one of those things that I think has almost never been in a good spot but that hasnt' been a problem because of how it very rarely comes up for people 01:44:22 I still find this stat kind of hilarious (though also slightly worisome) 01:44:25 !lg * cv=~0.14 end>20140301 place=Crypt s=ikiller 01:44:25 46 games for * (cv=~0.14 end>20140301 place=Crypt): 10x the fury of Okawaru, 6x, 4x a revenant, 3x the rage of Trog, 2x an eidolon, 2x a spectral titan, 2x Jory, 2x Khufu, a curse skull, Mara (illusionary), a vampire knight, Jorgrun, a ghoul, a hell knight, a deep dwarf death knight, an ancient champion, an illusion of Mara, a skeletal warrior, Sojobo, Mara, a lich, a shadow wraith, a titan zombie 01:45:14 That's worrisome alright 01:45:18 just not in a game balance sense 01:45:18 gotta get that tso piety 01:46:03 I feel like certain aspects of crypt certainly can make oka wrath kind of hilarious 01:46:15 Well, I AM still worried that some wraths are definitely too harsh at present, but it's the sort of thing that's a bit harder to observe in an average game 01:46:55 I feel like Oka wrath is one of the "best" ones because you very rarely don't have an opportunity to react 01:47:29 And yet there is definitely something to react to in most cases, generally it's capable of being a threat 01:47:49 Yes, I think that one definitely 'works' (even if maybe the power/frequency is still high at the moment, potentially) 01:48:08 The last time I had Oka wrath was when it was super bugged, though 01:48:19 And I just got a bazillion waves of it right after each other 01:48:19 I mean to "fix" god wrath you'd have to know how dangerous it "should" be 01:48:30 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:48:43 (Okay, by a bazillion, I mean like 6 or 7 or something, but they were in very swift succession and thus a real problem) 01:48:52 yeeeeah 01:48:54 I hadn't even abandoned him! :P 01:49:02 I just accidentally annoyed him 01:49:16 Were you by any chance using a ranged weapon 01:49:19 and hexes 01:49:21 (Also I had slow heal 3 at the time) 01:49:28 On a not-DD 01:49:32 So it was extra super bad 01:49:54 No, it was a lamp of fire >.> 01:50:08 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:50:20 I can see how that might cause a problem potentially 01:50:45 I am not sure I even hit any allies with it, but one probably wnandered into the clouds and died 01:50:54 totally your fault, right 01:51:04 Heh 01:51:10 Your unliving flesh cannot be transformed in this way. 01:51:10 You can't become a tree right now. 01:51:13 "Here, have a dozen titans!" 01:51:23 probably it shouldn't have two messages there 01:51:41 Yes, by 'right now' it means 'right now (or ever)' :P 01:51:46 i'm guessing the former is the only one that's supposed to be printed, yeah 01:56:04 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:58:18 mm transform() could also be consistent about when it shows messages and when it doesn't 01:58:40 seems most aren't shown when just_check-ing? but the undead ones are 01:59:35 i bet something elsewhere relies on the weird behaviour though 02:00:18 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:02:28 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:04:13 also could we make monsters not use scroll of summoning 02:04:28 the thing is that there's no indication of which monster you have to kill to acjure them 02:04:29 good crypt killer list 02:04:57 this is kind of true with monsters that have spells but it feels like a bigger problem with monster's that don't usually 02:06:03 Well, and it'd also give the players more summon scrolls, which would be nice, I feel like those are underutilized but useful consumables. 02:09:31 i guess all the messages should show when just_checking as long as it's a voluntary transform 02:09:54 so that form spells don't silently abort when you're stuck in an uncancellable form 02:12:27 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:13:07 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:18:44 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:19:52 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3556-g1294206: Adjust message for vampiric weapon wield failure 10(57 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=129420692e0e 02:19:52 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3557-g21463ca: Lower Call Imp power cap to 100 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=21463cad35aa 02:19:52 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3558-g2682ccd: Fix some transformations aborting silently on failure 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2682ccd044a9 02:20:14 wow summon imp nerf 02:20:33 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:21:16 it's a buff, it stops you getting power too high and making the chances of getting white imps really low 02:21:39 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:22:03 good 02:22:10 are iron imps the highest 02:22:15 ??call imp 02:22:16 call imp[1/2]: Level 2 Summoning spell found in the {book of callings} and {Minor Magic}. Temporarily summons a friendly little imp guy. Usually calls a {crimson imp}, but has a chance of calling a {white imp}, {shadow imp}, or {iron imp}. 02:22:25 ??call imp[2 02:22:25 call imp[2/2]: "Attack! Your crimson imp blinks! Your crimson imp blinks! 02:22:40 the check to get iron/shadow imps depends on power, else you get a white/crimson imp 02:22:45 !learn edit call_imp[2] s/^..// 02:22:45 call imp[2/2]: Attack! Your crimson imp blinks! Your crimson imp blinks! 02:22:50 which one you get out of iron/shadow and white/crimson is just random 02:23:02 it might make sense to swap white and shadow 02:23:11 interesting 02:30:00 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:35:30 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:38:24 shadow imp (065) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 6 | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(8), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11 | Sp: pain (d8), animate dead | Sz: little | Int: normal. 02:38:24 %??shadow imp 02:38:29 white imp (165) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 412(cold:2-5) | 05demonic, 10doors, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(8), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 10 | Sp: throw frost (3d5) | Sz: little | Int: normal. 02:38:29 %??white imp 02:47:01 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:58:33 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:06:14 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:06:28 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06:36 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:07:18 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:07:40 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:09:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:15:04 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:17:14 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:19:37 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:19:48 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:22:19 Bug: mons_has_los_ability in mon-util.cc returns true for mermaids, but not sirens 03:22:38 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:23:27 -!- ac13 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:26:08 -!- sd1989 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:15 !messages 03:26:15 No messages for sd1989. 03:27:11 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:11 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 03:27:11 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:17 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:33:57 -!- gnum_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:34:37 -!- Fusha has quit [] 03:35:48 Additionally, mons_has_los_ability fails to return true for ghost moths. 03:39:48 -!- whig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:18 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:42:37 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:44:23 -!- sd1989 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:44:42 -!- Kvaak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:46:45 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:46:56 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 03:46:58 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 03:52:02 -!- bart__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:58:02 -!- Kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:12 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:01:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:07:38 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:36 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:24:07 -!- truemonolith has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:28:58 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:32:08 -!- Acidburn6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35:19 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:44:03 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:50:38 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:50:40 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:45 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:57:09 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:31 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:04:19 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:08:01 -!- tksquared has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 05:08:53 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:16:10 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:19:10 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:31 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:23:44 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:25:30 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:25:43 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:29:06 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:34:38 -!- Mad_Wack has quit [Client Quit] 05:47:01 -!- rossi_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 05:53:29 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:54:46 So I noticed some games have negative EV; is that an old glitch or the effect of stacking multiple rings/artifacts with -EV as a property? 05:55:29 !lg * ev<=-1 05:55:31 339. Manslay the Grave Robber (L1 DsNe), slain by a quokka on D:1 on 2014-03-25 07:46:41, with 73 points after 264 turns and 0:01:27. 05:55:43 Scratch the 'old' part. 05:55:45 it's what happens when you wear heavy armour sometimes 05:55:54 ??gda[$ 05:55:54 gold dragon armour[4/4]: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/darkli/morgue-darkli-20130616-213054.txt 05:55:59 that for example 05:57:27 I'd just assumed it had a min at 0, which seemed...sane. 05:58:59 negative ev is the same as 0 05:59:10 it just takes more to get out of it 06:00:45 wiki says min is 1, actually. I guess the game will just show how negative it is if you know the right place to look. 06:13:25 -!- rchandra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:14:04 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:14:18 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 06:14:59 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:17:54 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:38 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:28:30 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:31:53 -!- axle has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:32:18 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 06:34:26 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:39:06 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1184173/renoise/Bloody%20Dawn.mp3 06:39:14 I made bleeps and bloops 06:44:58 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:45:01 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 06:48:08 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:49:33 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:56:28 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:57:45 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:00 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:04:59 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:57 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:07:31 -!- freefall has left ##crawl-dev 07:09:38 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:13:51 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:14:55 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:15:12 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:15:25 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 07:18:24 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:51 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:20:08 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:23:19 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:23:57 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:25:03 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:43:47 I just had an evil idea. What if a unique spawned with a follower that matched HP to yours (and vice versa) and damage you (or your allies) do to it; you take too...and its defenses are far lower. [primarily stands to keep you from using AoE spells on the enemy.] 08:01:38 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:02:14 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:04:16 -!- fufumann has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:48 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:06:46 <|amethyst> unless it always stands adjacent to the enemy, that's not going to stop people from using AoE on the enemy 08:08:14 <|amethyst> and even if it is adjacent, you can usually still target the enemy safely 08:08:27 <|amethyst> unless there are two that stand on opposite sides or something 08:08:50 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:09:10 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:10:13 <|amethyst> also, what happens if the follower wanders into a flame cloud? You die from afar with no way to stop it? 08:11:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:11:15 <|amethyst> oh, I guess you meant more like injury mirror where it reflects back to whoever dealt the damage 08:12:07 <|amethyst> unborn, DDDK, and ironheart preserver already do that 08:15:04 <|amethyst> (BTW, we should add a new somewhat early-game unique named after one of Jeph Jacques' characters, to freak him out :) 08:15:41 <|amethyst> since he's been mentioning crawl in his twitter feed again recently 08:16:35 <|amethyst> It was before my time, but as I understand it we got a pretty big traffic spike when he mentioned crawl in the comic itself 08:16:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:20:55 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:21:42 -!- tksquared__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:23:38 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:28:19 Side note: I think Deep Dwarf should be renamed Dwarf...and the few remaining Mountain Dwarf uniques changed to Halflings. 08:30:07 what 08:30:34 <|amethyst> I like the first half of that 08:31:18 <|amethyst> not sure what to do about wiglaf, but halfling is not it 08:31:34 I think the only remaining Mountain Dwarf is Wiglaf and he would be hurt by changing him to a DD... 08:31:39 Wiglaf (08q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 17 | HP: 140 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest | Res: 06magic(113) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1770 | Sp: might, haste | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 08:31:39 %??Wiglaf 08:32:06 priest? ...flag for Zin vulnerability? 08:32:13 ??wiglaf 08:32:13 wiglaf[1/4]: A fat, evil qwarf in a stupid looking hat. The number one killer of players who have completed lair in 0.7 so be careful! Reflavored as a priest of Okawaru (with a good weapon, and might/haste invocations) in 0.7 and capable of dishing out some major damage. 08:32:27 <|amethyst> the flag has to do with rules for the spells 08:33:00 Change him to a Mi? 08:33:13 -!- ackack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:33:18 make him a mountain dwarf imo 08:33:20 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:22 just keep it? *shrug* I'm only thinking its weird because that player race isn't around anymore. what's his spawn equipment look like? I think I've seen him with full heavy armour before... 08:34:52 <|amethyst> (but you're right that it also gives Zin heretic recite, or chaotic recite if it's a chaotic god) 08:36:41 Mountain Dwarves were unique in that they were Kobold Sized (good EV), but could wear full sized armour (good AC). 08:37:51 a) pretty sure they weren't kobold sized, b) kobolds can wear full sized armour 08:38:27 <|amethyst> MD were medium 08:38:51 That's right...Halflings and Kobolds can...Spriggans can't (smallest race). 08:39:26 <|amethyst> felids are the same size, but they have additional reasons for not wearing armour :) 08:40:26 Trolls used to have no armour at all as well, right? ...before they were allowed Robes and magical armors only? 08:40:26 still think we should do the felid size increase on death mechanic 08:40:39 Eronarn wtf? 08:41:27 Bcadren: you start as a kitten and every time you die you grow larger and your racial abilities change slightly 08:41:59 <|amethyst> I think we don't want to encourage players to die 08:42:27 * Bcadren agrees with |amethyst. 08:42:29 <|amethyst> it seems like a similar problem to giving bonuses at low HP 08:42:43 JoggingBear (L9 HaHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:7) 08:43:01 <|amethyst> I guess it's not quite the same, since once you've triggered it, it's locked it 08:43:04 <|amethyst> locked in 08:43:40 The problem with Torment...makes it so hell is the same danger level at level 19 and level 27 heh. 08:43:49 ...no 08:43:54 Syneil (L8 DECj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:6) 08:43:57 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:44:43 Akrius (L2 DsGl) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 08:44:44 icemanSX (L5 DsBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:4) 08:44:45 Tossi (L27 VSFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Zig:12) 08:44:46 Scytale (L15 DDFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:4) 08:44:47 Novice (L20 FoFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:14) 08:44:48 <|amethyst> if hit points were the only difference between XL 19 and 27, and if there were so much torment you're always walking around at near 5 HP, that might be the case 08:44:49 RBrandon (L16 OgHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Shoals:4) 08:44:52 shigimatsu (L2 DsBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:45:08 <|amethyst> pretty sure an XL 27 character can usually kill things faster than an XL 19, though 08:45:34 <|amethyst> meaning they'll experience less torment since the tormenting monsters die or are avoided more quickly 08:45:37 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:45:43 nivlat (L18 LOAs) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Snake:2) 08:45:44 tellian (L16 GrFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D (Sprint)) 08:45:57 I had it be true on a recent run...both levels Torment was the only thing that actually hurt me...I couldn't kill Antaeus at level 19, so I picked up the rune and Tele'd out, but still... 08:46:09 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:26 SomeoneAwful (L23 SpEn) (Lair:2) 08:46:27 RBrandon (L16 OgHu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Shoals:4) 08:46:29 Tossi (L27 VSFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Zig:12) 08:46:29 Then again I was a MiFi in a CPA... 08:47:42 nivlat (L18 LOAs) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Snake:2) 08:47:50 -!- AreBrandon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:04 Scytale (L15 DDFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:4) 08:48:16 Syneil (L8 DECj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:6) 08:48:27 So I am not the only one xD 08:48:44 I'm just for attacks that actually still hit hard through resistances and would be fatal without them over...lol cut your HP in half. 08:49:06 !tell dpeg i actually went lucy in an abyss altar for once! I was with xom, so i figured i didn't really have too much to lose 08:49:07 wheals: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 08:49:16 apparatus (L3 DESu) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 08:50:02 wheals is that a big deal or something? 08:50:38 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:47 WilsonTG (L12 VSEn) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:3) 08:50:47 he just says he likes the idea that it's possible, even though it's obviously rare 08:51:30 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 08:53:07 <|amethyst> hm 08:53:27 <|amethyst> I think I have an idea about these daily CAO freezes 08:54:46 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:02 <|amethyst> it looks like the ttyrec compression runs daily 08:57:01 I died that way once...it was my high score for awhile... 08:57:45 <|amethyst> actually... 08:57:50 A one-rune Orc of Beogh got abyssed and would have died in the abyss (not strong enough for it)...converted only to die a couple levels later to Beogh wrath. 08:57:50 I wonder if I have ever taken lugonu in abyss 08:58:12 !lm . god.worship=lugonu s=place 08:58:13 No milestones for minmay (god.worship=lugonu). 08:58:18 mystery solved 08:58:43 Converted mostly to depart the abyss; died to a double sword of Orc-Slaying [Dancing weapon] 08:59:26 <|amethyst> it looks like it's actually apache that's starving I/O 08:59:47 <|amethyst> ohh, someone's crawling ttyrecs I bet 08:59:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:02:16 <|amethyst> yes, bing, google, and baidu are all crawling at the same time 09:02:20 <|amethyst> time for robots.txt I think 09:02:35 ??baidu 09:02:35 I don't have a page labeled baidu in my learndb. 09:02:46 <|amethyst> Bcadren: chinese search engine 09:03:44 In other words; Google behind the great firewall? 09:04:48 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:58 <|amethyst> okay, I updated the CAO robots.txt 09:05:11 <|amethyst> User-agent: bingbot 09:05:11 <|amethyst> User-agent: GoogleBot 09:05:11 <|amethyst> User-agent: Baiduspider 09:05:11 <|amethyst> User-agent: MJ12bot 09:05:11 <|amethyst> Disallow: /rawdata 09:05:19 robots.txt? 09:05:48 <|amethyst> Bcadren: bots are supposed to (and the decent ones do) ask for that file and use it to determine what parts of the site not to visit 09:06:34 <|amethyst> Bcadren: it doesn't keep out attackers or anything, but the big web crawlers do honour it (and wget in recursive mode does as well) 09:07:02 <|amethyst> CSZO has the same, except the disallowed URLs are different (/morgue and /ttyrec) 09:08:02 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:08:51 -!- ARandom has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:11:58 Because smaller websites would be unable to keep up with the bot as if it was a DOS attack? 09:15:18 Bcadren: it also prevents indexing for those pages, which you might not want to happen 09:15:35 like if a directory will change frequently, it would lead to a bunch of dead links eventually 09:19:51 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:20:07 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:25 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:10 -!- AreBrandon_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:38:07 There doesn't seem to actually be a warning that a timed portal is about to expire. 09:39:30 hrm, you mean as in interrupting rest? 09:39:36 yeah 09:39:46 _You start resting. 09:39:50 _You hear the erratic crackle of a magical portal. 09:39:50 You can't eat that! 09:39:50 _You start resting. 09:39:50 _You hear the erratic crackle of a magical portal. 09:39:50 _You start resting. 09:39:51 The crackle of the magical portal is almost imperceptible now. 09:39:53 _The flow of magic halts. 09:39:55 sorry for spam 09:40:13 i'd expect the "imperceptible" message to be one turn before the portal closes 09:40:20 so you can get in 09:41:01 Are you saying portal messages should interrupt resting, or that the two messages occurred when the portal closed? 09:41:26 it's clear that they interrupt messages 09:43:08 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:45:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:47:31 wheals: that message is just bad 09:47:46 other portals use messages that make it sound like the portal has actually closed in that place 09:48:09 "You hear the last, dying ticks of the clock." 09:48:43 though actually it looks like all of the "new" timed portals have this issue with the message 09:49:41 hm 09:50:06 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:50:11 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:51:15 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: It's a dud! 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It's a du...] 09:51:24 I do agree though that having a warning would be good... probably it should be more than one turn before the portal closes, like 10 or so 09:51:52 i also didn't realize that 'erratic' was the last stage 09:54:23 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:54:25 yeah, some of these adjective sets aren't great 09:54:59 looks like wizlab is rapid -> no adj -> slow -> irregular -> erratic 09:55:00 which is sort of weird 10:00:58 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:19 okay I might have it working so that you get those messages 100 aut before it closes 10:02:08 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:05:15 -!- HisMajestyBOB has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:05:48 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:38 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 10:15:37 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-3559-gaaf79ab: Give more warning before a timed portal closes (wheals). 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aaf79ab05752 10:16:11 (I'm not getting into the adjective-improving business, at least right now) 10:22:41 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:04 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:28 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:29:30 -!- tkappleton has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:24 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:33:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:37 Somebody might want to review the Map Glyphs page of the Vault design referance. It mentions things like wax walls and secret doors. 10:33:44 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:maps:syntax:glyphs 10:33:58 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:39:05 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:39:30 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:44:33 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:47:10 btw can we remove branch entrance mimics so that I don't have to teach qw how to not be confused by them 10:48:06 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:47 elliptic: isn't removing mimics going to be a thing anyways? 10:50:22 hopefully, or changing them to not have the various issues that they currently have 10:51:24 gammafunk: Saw your autumn vault in the Lair. It looks awesome. 10:51:41 reaverb: not my vault, that's bh's 10:52:20 gammafunk: Oops, hard to remember who made a vault I just saw in a .des file.. 10:52:32 !tell bh Saw your autumn vault in the Lair. It looks awesome. 10:52:32 reaverb: OK, I'll let bh know. 10:52:45 reaverb: yeah, usually the name of author is in the vault name, although not always 10:53:17 I'm still waiting to see one of my two lair vaults, or my crypt one. If I can get that logfile functionality working that will show the turn a vault was seen, that'd be awesome 10:53:19 gammafunk: The name was in the vault name, it's just been so long since I saw the vault I messed up who made. 10:53:22 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140324030203]] 10:53:32 bh has I think only that vault 10:53:36 !lg * kmap=~bh 10:53:37 24. notcluie the Skirmisher (L1 TeAK of Lugonu), blasted by a rakshasa (orb of energy) (kmap: bh_abyss_exit_choice) on Abyss:1 on 2014-03-21 18:27:01, with 7 points after 59 turns and 0:00:06. 10:53:44 oh, right, abyss vaults 10:53:47 he would have some of those 10:53:52 !lg * kmap=~bh s=kmap 10:53:52 24 games for * (kmap=~bh): 15x bh_abyss_fiendish_exit, 3x bh_open_orc_temple, 3x bh_abyss_exit_grid, 2x bh_abyss_exit_choice, bh_babel_library 10:53:53 I think I saw it looking through the forest dispersal commit. 10:54:05 gammafunk: I remember he has some Abyss negative space vaults. 10:54:16 !lg * map=~bh s=map 10:54:16 80 games for * (map=~bh): 52x bh_walls_and_bars, 9x bh_open_orc_temple, 4x bh_familiar_temple, 4x bh_abyss_fiendish_exit, 2x bh_autumn_forest_stairs, 2x bh_abyss_exit_spiral, 2x bh_circular_ruins, bh_zot_ikea_curve, bh_hangedman_babel_library, bh_babel_library, bh_abyss_xom_lugonu_altar, bh_abyss_exit_grid 10:54:30 way more than I thought he had 10:55:03 bh_hangedman, wow 10:55:11 that is an interesting vault design combo 10:56:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:58:06 -!- Fusha has quit [] 10:58:12 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:59:41 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 11:01:10 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:04:42 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:05:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:12:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:37 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-3560-g3cecf4c: Improve view.find_deepest_explored(). 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cecf4cad8f0 11:21:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:24:23 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:28:58 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29:32 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:30:22 -!- darktwinge is now known as Twinge 11:31:46 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:32:15 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:33:17 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:50 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 11:37:43 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:23 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:43:10 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:43:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:47 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:36 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:08 -!- ayutzia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:53:31 -!- ayutzia_ is now known as ayutzia 12:01:46 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:08:34 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3560-g3cecf4c (34) 12:08:58 -!- tabstorm_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:09:12 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:49 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:12:43 What's with ":�if�you.branch()�==�"Depths"�then 12:12:43 TAGS:��extra 12:12:43 :�end 12:13:03 in mini_monsters.cc, mostly under the <<5>> section. 12:14:24 <|amethyst> I guess because they're not much of a threat there, so shouldn't count against the number of minivaults on the level 12:15:09 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:17:37 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:17:43 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:23:58 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:30:03 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:27 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:35:34 -!- whocoulditbe is now known as ophanim 12:36:11 -!- ophanim has quit [Client Quit] 12:41:16 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 12:42:16 |amethyst: In that case, shouldn't they just not spawn at all? Particularly since some of them give out good_items and superb_items 12:42:44 statue vaults not spawning at all sounds good :p 12:44:39 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:45:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:47:24 wheals: That works too. Am I misreading this or does minmay_protected_statue give out 4 acquirement level items? 12:48:32 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds] 12:49:15 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:36 seems especially bad if you have apport 12:52:27 !tell tenofswords another sword in your back: statue vault review 12:52:27 wheals: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 12:56:22 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 12:58:17 !tell tenofswords To find said vaults: Control-F for <<5>> in mini_monsters.des . Possible areas of concern: Weird depths, excessive loot. 12:58:18 reaverb: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 13:00:02 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 13:02:05 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:03:08 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:48 control-f, bah! 13:04:02 I smell a windows user 13:04:16 / 13:04:30 gammafunk: mac user 13:04:57 I have to allow it, I guess 13:04:57 I think most people understand "Control-F" to mean "search for this" ? 13:05:25 There's isn't really a good small word for that, except for "grep" which sort of implies multiple files. 13:05:38 grep implies multiple files since when? 13:05:52 you could just use "search" if you mean to say "search" 13:06:06 reaverb: I'm just giving you a hard time though 13:06:12 gammafunk: Well maybe that's just the impression I got. 13:06:23 (but grep is very useful on a single file as well) 13:06:40 grep can be used for multible files, but its very capable for single files 13:07:03 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-3561-g6fc50d0: Remove -str from thin skeletal structure. 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6fc50d03444c 13:07:05 crate: "search" could easily mean "search by hand". "<<5>>" only appears on the contents and directly before the statue vaults. 13:07:05 grep takes anything 13:07:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:15 i think anyone who actually would do that deserves the time waste they get 13:07:25 haha 13:07:30 crate has a point 13:07:39 crate: Ha 13:07:42 learning the hard way 13:08:06 but still, "search" doesn't indicate "<<5>>" will only show up next to the vaults. 13:10:20 goto 13:10:33 is what is needed ;) 13:11:42 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:12:14 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:12:42 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:14:38 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:05 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:18:21 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:48 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:02 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 13:25:08 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29:59 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:41 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:40:13 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:13 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 13:42:56 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 13:43:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:48:13 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:50 -!- Bacon has quit [Client Quit] 13:51:58 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:54:37 -!- Keanan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:45 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:14 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:42 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:05:12 HilariousDeathArtist (L27 HEIE) ASSERT(!midloss || midmsg != nullptr) in 'main.cc' at line 2238 failed. (Geh:7) 14:05:19 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:05:30 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 14:06:37 -!- orcus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:07:48 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:08:55 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:11:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:11:09 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:53 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:14:15 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:23 -!- m1nced has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:16:14 %git 8f1b972f6ed3cb 14:16:15 07gammafunk02 * 0.14-a0-3521-g8f1b972: Don't allow a duration to be decremented to a negative value (#8289). 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 37+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f1b972f6ed3 14:17:06 seems to be the source of that assert, triggered there by have ozo's armour melted by fire damage 14:17:15 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:33 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:37 since there's no midmsg in that case 14:18:28 by having* 14:20:37 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:21:32 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:20 should there just be no midloss in that case? since you're not seeing the message anyway 14:25:57 that's not a new sword, that's just reading the inscriptions on one of the swords already impaling me 14:26:56 wheals: the fire giant vault gets WEIGHT: 20 from the function followed by the redefine over to weight 12, due to me doing a quick boost to lower d:15 slaughterboxes/spin_cycle chances 14:27:19 -!- syllogism has quit [] 14:27:23 oh, ok 14:30:11 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 14:30:32 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:35:38 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:41:04 -!- Rewans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:41:14 -!- Baconkid has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:42:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:03 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 14:43:38 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:43 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:48 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:01:57 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:02:12 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 15:02:34 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:12 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:08:37 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:08:42 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:11:08 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:06 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:44 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:16:40 hmm... ledas doesnt affect past statues 15:17:34 Official Leda's bug-finder 15:17:52 (Does refrige do that now or not? I can't recall if that was changed) 15:17:54 -!- lobf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:54 DracoOmega: you shouldve seen how many i found the very first game i used it 15:18:04 It would not surprise me 15:18:11 DracoOmega: they were mostly obvious bugs too... ones you would see if, you know, you ever casted the spell more than a couple times :P 15:18:19 I remember when I first used Leda's and thought I had discovered some amazing wonky bug with it 15:18:23 which goes to show how popular the spell relaly is 15:18:27 And did a bunch of testing to document exactly how it worked 15:18:45 Only to discover that the radius was a shrinking thing. Tiles didn't yet have any display for it at all, so I assumed it was full los >.> 15:18:56 haha 15:19:02 good bug 15:19:02 Only sometimes enemies would randomly stop being slowed! Then start being slowed again! 15:19:06 It was really bizzare looking 15:23:36 mons_has_los_ability misses some cases by dtsund 15:23:48 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:28 -!- eyesburn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:27:34 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:31:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 15:32:49 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:50:15 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:29 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:58:30 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:00:21 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 16:01:31 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:53 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:06:03 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:09:13 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:10:51 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-3562-g5cbc9ef: Lair / branch end vault balance edits 10(66 seconds ago, 5 files, 58+ 44-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5cbc9ef9f984 16:11:12 so, by the way, wheals, why in the world was that agate snail replaced with an orange rat band anyway 16:11:32 maybe i thought it needed more orange rats 16:11:46 i really couldn't tell you 16:12:08 if any lair end needs orange rats it's clearly tendril thicket 16:12:20 draining is like poison, right 16:12:30 :w 16:17:30 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:21:14 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:43 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:26:08 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-3563-g07d0f32: D, Depths vault depth tweaks 10(3 minutes ago, 4 files, 13+ 37-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07d0f3200eca 16:26:11 Additional "multiple items" icon - corpses by Curio 16:26:48 there's only seven things left on my 0.14 list! 16:26:58 I wonder how many I will manage tonight 16:26:58 tenofswords: shouldn't the d:15- just be d:15 now? 16:27:52 past-proofing 16:27:55 and future-proofing 16:28:07 of course 16:28:46 -!- Greyr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:30:24 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:30:38 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:36:32 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:38:16 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:12 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:25 !tell dpeg i would prefer chei not get more special-casing for portal vault timers, dealing with those is just one of the consequences of being slow. abyss and orb run are already slightly awkward exceptions due to not being optional, that's not a problem here: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4832 16:41:25 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 16:41:33 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:33 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 16:42:04 !tell dpeg elliptic's comment there applies similarly i think 16:42:04 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 16:43:18 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:35 i just had a volcano time out on me because i was with chei!!! 16:44:32 did you map for it? 16:45:11 i dont think i had any 16:45:31 i didnt really want it since i was with chei and no rf and deep elf hp 16:45:37 heh 16:48:32 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:49:29 you could have just gotten the toenail golem volcano! 16:49:39 (I am sad I still can't think of anything for that) 16:52:09 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:21 redback volcano 16:56:41 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=user:evktalo#project_subvaultified_volcanoes 16:57:03 naga mage, viper, redback volcano 16:58:15 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:59:13 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 16:59:37 rip red naga mages 17:00:07 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00:40 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:55 their tile is still a little red and that clearly was my criteria for ogre mages and centaur warriors in volcanos 17:02:43 -!- tabstorm_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:04:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:11:06 -!- Amilir has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:13:00 %git :/qw 17:13:01 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-3109-ga7442b6: Recharging is wasted if you read-ID with nothing to charge (qw). 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7442b6e126f 17:13:26