00:00:13 -!- bloodhail has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:01:38 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:02:41 cherub (12A) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 62-93 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 15, 8 | 08holy, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(96), 05fire, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 743 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 00:02:41 %??cherub 00:03:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:03:49 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3535-g2325aab (34) 00:03:56 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:04:09 well, if you drained angels a few times, or swine, or maybe daevas... 00:04:23 cherub (12A) | Spd: 10 | HD: 30 | HP: 225-280 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 15, 8 | 08holy, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(320), 05fire, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 8426 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 00:04:23 %??cherub hd:30 00:04:26 don't all holies have rn+++ 00:04:27 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:04:33 o 00:04:35 maybe 00:04:52 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:54 Holy monsters are basically demons without the weakness. 00:05:11 wisdom 00:05:30 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 00:06:00 in unrelated news, here's an updated solifuge patch: http://sprunge.us/cHBB Removed overlooked annuvian references, moved speed changes into calc_speed(), changed hp increase on buff to be based on current hp %. 00:06:29 the numbers still need someone else to look over them; I think they might be a bit too strong but I'm not sure? 00:06:59 idk. I guess I could make a ticket for these guys. 00:07:02 I honestly kidn of think it'd be interesting if Holies were affected by draining, especially if they had like rN--; make them the opposite of demons in some ways. 00:07:17 mummy priest (05M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 1 | HP: 5-8 | AC/EV: 8/7 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 00:07:17 %??mummy priest hd:1 00:07:41 not really a significant difference in threat 00:08:37 PleasingFungus: the comment over mons_is_solifuge is incorrect 00:09:13 also generally a space is preferred after a // 00:09:29 it affects HP (and MR on non-MR(immune) things)...and Spellpower (on non-SET power things). but nothing else. 00:09:49 fuck 00:09:54 really I should get rid of that function 00:10:07 that works 00:11:25 ehhh. I guess it could be good to keep it so that, if I really wanted to make it track type through polymorph etc, I'd only have to change one place, instead of... two... 00:12:52 ...nah 00:13:29 Did moving Polymorph to wands only drop the max spellpower significantly? Also...why was tht done? 00:14:49 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:16:30 PleasingFungus: I was going to mention, if you feel like simplifying yet another description, Asterion could lose some verbage and probably detail 00:16:47 His background story is perhaps a little busy 00:16:52 haha 00:16:56 -!- thedefinite has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 00:17:00 I'll have a look once I finish cleaning up v3 of this patch 00:17:06 thanks 00:18:10 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:13 man 00:18:16 mennas's description is so great 00:18:30 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:18:42 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 00:18:43 orcs are mean 00:18:52 * Grunt threatens to cut out PleasingFungus' tongue. 00:19:06 * PleasingFungus cringes in fear! 00:19:14 PleasingFungus gestures frantically. 00:21:28 * Bcadren polymorphs randomly 00:22:55 <|amethyst> %git de3bacb8c12 00:22:55 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-341-gde3bacb: Remove the Polymorph spell 10(5 months ago, 6 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=de3bacb8c123 00:23:08 <|amethyst> "The wand works fine as a fairly plentiful source of polymorph for players, and the spell is hardly used. 00:23:12 <|amethyst> " 00:23:33 I... honestly did not remember it existed 00:24:12 http://sprunge.us/GBLd patch v3, now with better comments. 00:24:27 many thanks to wheals and the other people who've helped with this! :) 00:25:29 ok, now you might just want to have some information about what they do in the commit message (: 00:25:35 oh 00:25:37 I guess I could 00:26:02 I remember using it...though I think a transmuter that actually uses non-self-transmute spells at all is a semi-rare build. 00:26:24 oh, it got squashed when I made the new patch 00:26:27 oops 00:29:55 -!- godzilla has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:31:40 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:31:56 http://sprunge.us/HGiW last patch update for now 00:32:53 might make a ticket later if that makes sense 00:34:30 am i right in thinking that #5307 is no longer accurate? can't find the commit at a glance but i'm fairly sure that changed 00:34:44 !bug 5307 00:34:44 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5307 00:38:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Client Quit] 00:40:44 MarvinPA: i'm fairly sure that no longer happens 00:40:53 they follow in crowds now 00:42:04 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:43:12 looks like it yeah 00:44:54 -!- sgun has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:44:58 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:01 !git splash 00:45:01 %git splash 00:45:01 Could not find commit splash (git returned 128) 00:45:15 %git HEAD^{/splash} 00:45:15 07tenofswords02 * 0.14-a0-3471-gb49671f: Flood Swamp's layouts with more decorative vaults 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 683+ 389-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b49671fe04e8 00:45:20 nope 00:45:30 %git HEAD^{/syweapon} 00:45:32 Could not find commit HEAD^{/syweapon} (git returned 128) 00:45:54 %git HEAD^{/siweapon} 00:45:55 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-1384-g3110700: New title screen featuring Roxanne (Psiweapon, #7832) 10(4 months ago, 2 files, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3110700ea60c 00:46:14 there we go 00:46:25 mm, directly editing the Makefile 00:46:31 never done that before 00:47:10 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 00:52:09 * gammafunk braces himself! 00:52:32 * gammafunk hides his compiler, chmods it 000 00:53:04 remounting filesystem read-only... 00:54:08 safety first 00:56:34 ? 01:00:23 Grunt * 0.14-a0-3537-g1f4859a: Unbreak compilation. 01:00:26 <_< 01:00:48 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 01:01:14 wow, that was recent 01:01:16 %git 01:01:17 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-3535-g2325aab: Add a missing break (PleasingFungus) 10(77 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2325aab47018 01:01:25 ...wait 01:01:34 I've been duped! 01:01:49 I'm not a bot! :b 01:04:30 huh, this is extremely bizarre 01:04:42 ? 01:05:07 Cannot find data file 'descript/hints.txt' anywhere, aborting 01:05:16 when i run local tiles 01:05:22 Run it again? 01:05:29 it works like 19/20 times 01:05:45 This is a known thing IIRC. 01:05:46 but randomly it just crashes with that message for a different file every time 01:05:52 I've gotten messages like that someitmes, too 01:06:11 It's something related to threading on database loading or something, wasn't it? 01:06:25 as long as it's known about 01:06:40 Well, I think it's quite old 01:06:48 I am not sure anyone knows much specific about it 01:08:08 -!- Stout has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:12:45 -!- eb has quit [] 01:14:51 hrm, I've never seen it, is it windows-specific? 01:14:56 Yes. 01:16:25 Also frequent random startup crashes T.T 01:16:25 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:26 At least on my system 01:18:53 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:23:25 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-3536-gc712556: Splash screens (baconkid, by way of khalil) 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7125568250a 01:23:27 so i pushed some splashscreens by a new contributor; should i put his name somewhere other than directly on them? 01:23:27 nm, found it 01:26:26 What about this as a fixedArt: Armor of Demon Souls {Evil, Curse} Special: Contains a greedy demon that will gladly protect your life, as long as you have gold to pay him. [when you hit 1 HP, damage is deferred to your Gold, until you run out.] 01:27:08 hm 01:27:22 what if it took a % of gold on all dmg? 01:27:41 then you'll lose gold much faster 01:27:44 Like Guardian Spirit, but Gold/HP instead of MP/HP? 01:27:58 maybe you lose gold on HP and MP loss 01:28:18 or maybe 01:28:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3537-g3f12094: Don't allow tripping when being cast deeper into the Abyss (#6975) 10(70 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3f120941245b 01:28:46 it's armour from a dead Be 01:28:46 gold hungry Be 01:28:47 Gold/HP for the armour 01:28:59 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:29:20 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:29:44 ontoclasm: CREDITS.txt might be a good place for that too? 01:30:06 Grunt: yeah, i found it 01:30:07 MarvinPA: Are you sure Xom making you trip over stairs on the way out wasn't intentional on Xom's part? :P 01:30:21 I think the idea sounds interesting Bcadren. not sure what it would take to implement 01:30:45 ontoclasm: I think there's another list of splash screens for webtiles, for that matter. 01:30:58 oh, right 01:35:50 -!- Staplefun has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:35:50 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:36:39 %git HEAD~1955 01:36:39 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-1408-ge6af5e3: Add the newer title screens to webtiles. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6af5e33730d 01:37:36 yeah 01:37:51 " Apparently we have to hard-code them in two different places :(" 01:37:54 i found it the same way i found the other, by grepping for psiweapon 01:37:58 fr fix that 01:38:08 ?/psiweapon 01:38:08 No matches. 01:38:13 ?/psi weapon 01:38:14 No matches. 01:38:18 ?/psi 01:38:19 Matching terms (2): ellipsis, terpsichore; entries (8): catonkeyboardrobin[1] | coffee[1] | crawl[8] | fannar[4] | innuendo[1] | sky_weapons[4] | slashem[1] | volcano[4] 01:38:19 PleasingFungus: welcome to tiles code 01:38:52 if you want to add a status icon, not only do you have to hardcode it twice, it also takes two separate enums, one of which is a vector 01:39:01 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-3538-g669f2b4: Add splash screens to webtiles too 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=669f2b404c9b 01:40:20 -!- evablue has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:41:24 it would probably be good if more mons->props[] keys were in an enum-like list of strings somewhere, rather than hard-coded independently in multiple places 01:41:28 Tiles code is pretty awful in some places =/ 01:41:31 thus using the compiler to avoid fatfingers 01:41:54 well doing the javascript side isn't trivial, unfortunately 01:41:55 Tentacle corner pieces T.T 01:42:03 haha, yeah, just saw that code while grepping 01:42:13 tentacle code in general 01:42:19 weird monster prop hackery 01:42:22 also non-mons props - it looks like artefacts already do this? 01:42:28 ARTEFACT_APPEAR_KEY 01:42:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:42:41 PleasingFungus: yeah, many props like battlesphere 01:42:45 though the naming scheme is a little awkward... 01:42:47 are both monsters and players 01:43:06 that's fine 01:43:10 well maybe not *many*, but some common ones are in both classes 01:43:13 actor->props[] 01:43:15 doesn't matter 01:43:25 the problem is the hardcoded string appearing in multiple places 01:43:39 well you just said non-mons props 01:43:48 oh 01:43:54 I'm not sure if we're disagreeing or agreeing or what 01:44:01 oh I think we're agreeing 01:44:06 sorry 01:44:06 I misread 01:44:18 yeah, but you're right it's in actor 01:44:35 Yes, I have mistyped a prop key before 01:44:36 what hardcoded string do you mean? 01:44:45 basically right now we have code like 01:44:45 And had to track down the proper when it wasn't working properly 01:44:54 you.props["song_of_slaying_bonus"] = sos_bonus + 1; 01:44:54 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:44:56 Since it was checking a different prop than the code elsewhere was setting 01:45:00 int sos_bonus = you.props["song_of_slaying_bonus"].get_int(); 01:45:03 oh, yeah, well 01:45:08 I guess enums could work, sure 01:45:18 yeah exactly what draco is saying. this is the sort of thing compilers can and should solve for us 01:45:24 A couple props have their keys #defined somewhere 01:45:30 But that's unusual 01:45:33 hrm, well what happens if the prop doesn't exist 01:45:43 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45:45 should the HashTable thingie do a key error 01:45:52 it does. that's a separate issue 01:45:54 unless it's testing existance with the .exists() method 01:46:40 I think if there are key errors it's ok, although I suppose if you auto-generated the strings 01:47:00 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: This is not a desk. It is not being flipped.] 01:47:10 not much effort to #define a string I guess 01:47:23 I'm just talking about replacing e.g. all "song_of_slaying_bonus" with SOS_BONUS_KEY (or whatever you'd want to call it), since the compiler will catch SO_BONUS_KEY, but not "song_of_slayng_bonus" 01:47:31 #define would be fine 01:47:38 in fact it would just be #define BLAH "blah" anyhow 01:47:41 to create the thing 01:47:50 if it lived in somewhere that all the files that used the key could see it 01:47:54 so, a .h, I guess 01:47:59 well it would live in enum.h 01:48:02 almost certainly 01:48:06 yeah 01:48:29 hrm 01:48:39 it's kind of like you'd just want 01:48:47 to make the key accessor thing take an enum 01:48:53 instead of even allowing a string 01:48:58 yeah I was thinking about that 01:49:00 you might ask |amethyst about his opinion on that 01:49:01 the only reason you'd want a string 01:49:09 is if you're generating it somewhere 01:49:09 he's good with code organization and such 01:49:13 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:49:25 idk if anything generates keys at present? 01:49:36 generates keys? 01:49:44 You mean programatically makes a key name? 01:49:47 exactly 01:49:59 no I can't even think of why that horror would be allowed 01:50:09 if I'm wrong I definitely want to see it 01:50:13 like, idk, props["%s_loveliness", mons->name] 01:50:28 I hope it's like "beemAFCD0900" 01:50:38 it'd be weird but that's the only real reason I can see to use string keys here 01:51:21 there's little reason to do that, I think, but it is possible; probably do some grepping for ->props but also ask |amethyst what he thinks about it 01:51:21 Question in the normal D, monster generation stops after 15k turns... 01:51:29 before you make the patch, I mean 01:51:30 in Hell do effects stop then? 01:51:32 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:32 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 01:51:32 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:42 no hell effects never stop 01:51:53 presumably abyss continues to be abyss? 01:51:55 hell does not go home at the end of the day 01:52:04 the abyss does not clock out 01:52:35 and pan. well! 01:52:36 what does that mean, monster generation stops after 15k turns in normal D? 01:52:39 Outside, the world ends. But Hell is still here, making Hell Sentinels. 01:52:59 I mean, I thought after 1k turns, the floor will spawn bands 01:53:05 Monster spawns in normal branches stop after a predetermined period 01:53:11 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:12 to prevent scumming for exp 01:53:12 yeah grepping doesn't find anything that looks like a generated key, but they'd be easy to miss 01:53:36 is that 15k turns per floor? 01:53:44 PleasingFungus: yeah, you'd have to look for every instance of ->props and maybe some other methds 01:53:54 I'll talk to |amethyst, like you said. this'd be a medium-big project, and I'm kind of nervous, considering the results of my last code reform patch 01:53:55 you'd probably want to read the hash table class to see what other methods 01:53:57 might be relevent 01:54:40 johnstein: yes, per floor 01:54:40 (one crash bug, one drowning bug) 01:54:40 ok. ty 01:54:40 it's a pretty simple and good thing though, and a way to learn the codebase more 01:54:40 on the other hand, I give this a pretty good chance of finding an existing bug 01:54:44 so something like 15 rounds of OOD discouragement, the floor gives up 01:55:18 it's like a boxing match with the player 01:55:25 -!- NilsBloodaxe_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:55:26 the floor just throws in the towel eventually 01:55:42 'enough!' --the floor 01:55:50 'more...' -- the ceiling 01:55:59 idk that was just nonsense. I'm going to bed 01:56:06 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140324030203]] 01:57:32 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:42 So anywhere except Pan and hell cannot be scummed for XP, ok. 01:58:50 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Client Quit] 01:58:55 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:59:54 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:01:57 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:08:08 -!- NilsBloodaxe_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:08:08 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:11:08 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:15:30 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15:38 -!- ayutzia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:16:31 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3538-g669f2b4 (34) 02:16:38 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20:00 what's the button combo to clear the map so autoexplore will reexplore everything? 02:24:04 X^f 02:26:19 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:27:17 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:29:58 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:38:08 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:39:13 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:41:40 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:44:46 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:53:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54:52 Medar: For the chat moderation in webtiles thing we talked about a while ago, did you have a strong opinion on whether we should allow each spectator to ignore a player, or only the player to mute a spectator to everyone, or both? 02:57:18 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:03:37 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: It's a dud! 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It's a du...] 03:04:00 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:09:18 No, I don't really have an opinion. 03:11:11 Only player might not be enough though, now that I think about it. 03:13:08 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24:02 Well I was going to make a patch to allow both, once I can figure out enough of the server and (sigh) the javascript 03:24:06 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:24:49 Was thinking just a popup javascript window when you mouse-over the spectator name, includes a "ignore" option (mute for the player) 03:24:55 sets a cookie I suppose 03:26:01 also wanted to remove the html in the webserver and move that all client-side; not sure about compat code there 03:26:26 I recall someone telling me we needed it, but I'm not sure why when I think about it 03:27:00 oh, I guess different crawl versions, for one 03:27:18 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:27:36 hrm, that is a bit of a pain, since we support versions going 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the number of Lair levels and (presumably) providing something to replace the XP/loot that generates during those levels? 09:52:30 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:38 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:15 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:35 -!- ereinion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:56:02 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:45 What if...Tele rings started 'behaving' when you had enough skill 'the */+ Tele attribute; activated less and less often until skill is high enough and then it's just +Tele' 09:59:26 gammafunk: is there dev interest in reducing the length of lair at some point, or is it considered to be good as-is? 09:59:40 !learn edit gammafunk[1] s/, y u no[^,]+// 09:59:40 gammafunk[1/1]: TODO: cut monster-in-wall code, vault guards wielding while zerked, ally piety, arte granting sinv + evocable break unseen invis, new sack of spiders, run doxygen to see what it looks like and email crd about code doc., stair placement after vaults in level gen 09:59:55 Lasty: i think most people are fairly happy with the length of lair as it stands, the only branches i can think of that might warrant shortening are lair branches and maybe hells? 10:00:36 There's been talk of it, yeah, but it might need to start with a tavern post or when you get a critical dev mass in the channel 10:00:49 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:00:57 and it's not happening in 0.14, at least 10:01:11 wheals: thanks. I was trying to decide if I should work on thoughts I had about splitting Lair into two separate branches, one w/ the current monster set and half the S branches, the other with a different monster set/layout and the other half of the branches 10:01:25 gammafunk: i ran doxygen once and my computer died 10:01:32 Yeah, def not 0.14. There are already a ton of dungeon structure changes. 10:01:33 rip 10:01:56 absolutego: it works fine with the crawl codebase for me, too bad we have 11,000 functions alone and a tiny fraction are documented 10:01:56 hm, that doesn't sound like a bad idea 10:02:21 yeah i mean with crawl, it spent a million hours doing stuff and eventually i killed it 10:02:30 Lasty: shortening Lair is not eaqual to creating a new branch with a different monster set by a mile though 10:02:38 Oh god; I'm glad monsters inside walls is gone...I forgot that used to be a thing... 10:02:50 since i figured out i'd get little out of it (just some links for less grepping) 10:02:55 That was such a horrible thing. 10:03:13 gammafunk: IMO add that to the 0.15 list. 10:03:15 particularly if new monsters are involved, but I'm not sure lair would be very amenable to any kind of split 10:03:24 drake branch 10:03:32 Grunt: I can't tell if you're serious 10:03:35 give me a clue 10:03:39 clues badly needed 10:03:52 gammafunk: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:planning 10:04:11 gammafunk: I get that it doesn't necessarily. I was just thinking that 8 levels worth of Lair monsters and layout might be a bit much, and it might make sense to split some of that early game loot/xp into another branch. Ideally w/o creating a bunch of new monsters. 10:04:16 gammafunk: specifically 0.15 planning 10:04:28 Drake Branch would be too much like a mini-Zot. 10:04:57 wheals: I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but I kind of like the idea of a 1-2 level Lair subbranch that's drake-centric and has no rune . . . 10:05:08 Well that's what I mean, what exactly is being split 10:05:24 maybe drake branch actually could make a good portal vault 10:05:33 * Grunt scrolls back up. 10:05:34 Lair has a pretty decent population set already 10:05:49 gammafunk: oh, stuff happened between when I started typing and when I finished typing >_> 10:05:56 gammafunk: I meant, "add 'document things' to the 0.15 list'. 10:06:01 oh, haha 10:06:11 todo pay more attention to discussion here 10:06:17 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:22 1learn add grunt todo: 10:06:28 You seldom have lapses of attention Grunt, wouldn't worry about it 10:06:32 Gammafunk: I don't have a full proposal yet, but ballpark I was thinking something like: between D:8-13 there is a stair to Lair and a stair to and a stair to Orc. Lair is exactly as-is, but with half as many floors. 10:06:34 I have more frequent ones... 10:06:36 I seldom have what now? 10:06:37 <_< >_> 10:07:07 well I'm just saying it's not clear with is and what its purpose is 10:07:08 gammafunk: would be 4 levels long and have approximately the same xp/challenge/loot as Lair, but with a totally different monster set, perhaps a humanoid one. 10:07:24 Right, see you're trying to do something other than shorten lair really 10:07:28 yes 10:07:34 Sounds more like a thing for new content 10:07:38 gammafunk: the purpose would be to break up how many levels are Lair-themed w/ Lair monsters 10:07:54 It's fine to propose new content, but it's not really "shorten lair", or at least people will take you to mean 10:08:03 That's a fair point 10:08:06 just cut out a floor because lair is too long (without any new floors) 10:08:10 (anywhere else) 10:08:20 but yeah new branches = a lot of work and heartache 10:08:23 see for instance forest 10:08:26 Yeah :( 10:08:48 Not to discourage new content proposals though, just maybe try not to conflate the two things as much as possible 10:08:57 Again, this is really not a fully-fleshed-out idea; I just wanted to see if anyone had any qualms about how much time players spend in Lair each game. 10:09:23 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:09:34 Well they might, and that's a smaller issue than designing a new branch; I mean don't use "lair is shorter" as a justification for your new branch 10:09:43 got it 10:09:44 well at least that shouldn't be *most* of the reason 10:09:53 It doesn't hurt that lair is shorter, of course 10:10:44 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:44 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:10:45 I'll distinguish between "Maybe Lair should be shorter (because less XP and loot)" and "Maybe Lair should be shorter but I want the same amount of XP and Loot and so we need somewhere else for players to go at about the same time." 10:11:08 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11:44 -!- absolutego has left ##crawl-dev 10:11:50 I mean, I actually like Lair, and to a large extent I'm happy to spend more time there, but it just occurred to me that there's a lot of it compared with other branches. 10:12:09 Sure, above all the content you propose for new branch has to be very good since new monsters + new branch is a big deal, and we want to go through and maybe reduce some monsters or at least monster abilities in 0.15 as it is 10:12:20 anyhow, making a proposal never hurt anyone 10:12:35 (sort of) 10:12:49 haha 10:12:55 Everyone who survived anyway 10:13:29 There's already a lot of new monsters and a lot of pushback around it, so I was hoping to come up with new ways/combinations for existing monster sets. 10:14:15 For example, a branch defined by and 10:14:29 Obviously, easier said than done, of course 10:16:29 worked really well for forest >.> 10:16:29 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:29 trees, the most interesting terrain feature... 10:16:33 spriggans, well-known for working well with fire clouds! 10:16:50 Branch made of only green crystal and a bunch of enemies that bounce beas off of them. 10:17:03 ??jade caves 10:17:03 jade caves[1/2]: This branch consists of green crystal walls. You see, or can't see, many unseen horrors here. You will also find many true mimics and some mimic-level excellent items. Statues guard the transparent rune of Zot at the bottom. 10:17:12 bee bouncing sounds excellent 10:17:27 ... 10:17:32 ??jade_caves[2] 10:17:33 crawl alternative[2/4]: Has a branch of unseen horrors (which have disease brand), mimics, and golems. The transparent rune in it is guarded by greater unseen horrors (that have antimagic!) and silence golems. 10:17:42 bolt of bees 10:18:07 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:18:08 replace venom bolt 10:18:12 btw it seems there are a bunch of broken links on the planning;planning page 10:18:33 -!- Isvaffel is now known as facemasterDog 10:18:56 a bunch of five-digit issue links, which don't work 10:19:12 Bolts of Bolts: Level 9 Conj/Fire/Ice: randomly fires other bolts perpedicular to itself. lolol. 10:19:44 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:19:49 ??crawl alternative [1 10:19:50 crawl alternative[1/4]: A very old (pre-Stone-Soup) and apparently abandoned fork of Crawl: http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/crawl-alternative/ or git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl-ancient.git branch "alternative" 10:19:59 ??crawl alternative [3 10:20:00 crawl alternative[3/4]: * unseen horror, slime creature and skeletal dragon disease you || * ugly thing makes you forget the map; || * moth of wrath has a poison which makes you angry and confused || * the melee attack of tentacled monstrosity causes short paralysis (partially resistible by Traps & Doors skill) 10:20:37 ??crawl alternative [4 10:20:37 crawl alternative[4/4]: * Orb guardian is now invisible 10:20:46 fascinating 10:21:17 that seems like a good idea, sinv isn't very useful 10:21:39 Invisible Orb Guardians? 10:21:41 !learn edit gammafunk[1] s/, ?run doxygen[^,]+// 10:21:41 gammafunk[1/1]: TODO: cut monster-in-wall code, vault guards wielding while zerked, ally piety, arte granting sinv + evocable break unseen invis, new sack of spiders, stair placement after vaults in level gen 10:21:53 ??you taste something nasty 10:21:54 I don't have a page labeled you_taste_something_nasty in my learndb. 10:22:08 ??crawl alternative[2] 10:22:08 crawl alternative[2/4]: Has a branch of unseen horrors (which have disease brand), mimics, and golems. The transparent rune in it is guarded by greater unseen horrors (that have antimagic!) and silence golems. 10:22:23 !learn edit gammafunk[1] s/$/, save the liches/ 10:22:23 gammafunk[1/1]: TODO: cut monster-in-wall code, vault guards wielding while zerked, ally piety, arte granting sinv + evocable break unseen invis, new sack of spiders, stair placement after vaults in level gen, save the liches 10:22:29 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:22:55 Disease being a little bit more common seems worthwhile...as does that Moth of Wrath effect (if evil)... 10:23:16 Disease is harmless if you rest up. 10:23:27 Disease is only Plague Shambler, Komono Dragon and (very) ugly thing [forgot the color]. 10:23:31 And it was only really effective in conjunction with poison. 10:23:39 plague shambler hsa retch i thought 10:23:40 but now poison is less bad 10:24:03 Sick is deadly...suddenly having Slow Healing 3 is...horrible in a lot of situations. 10:24:07 disease being more common sounds extremely bad 10:24:38 what about making torment less common then? 10:24:55 what on earth do those two things have to do with each other? 10:25:17 Prevents healing and cuts HP in half...*shrug* nothing. 10:25:38 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:45 purple ugly things with torment would probably be just as dumb, ok 10:25:58 that sounds kind of amusing 10:26:03 because they still wouldn't be dangerous on their own 10:26:24 Torment being a major feature of all 4 hell branches and Tomb AND being semi-common in Pan and Abyss (all fiend types and tormentors in spawn list) seems a little too common for such a powerful effect. 10:26:25 rip summon ugly thing 10:26:39 you turn the corner, see a flock of purple ugly things, suddenly you're at 20 HP 10:26:49 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:26:53 reminds me of that one tavern smite suggestion 10:26:57 that it just reduce your hp to 10% 10:27:09 -!- Keanan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27:16 ...to or by? 10:27:23 to 10:27:24 to 10:27:27 huh. 10:27:29 [16:26:37] Torment being a major feature of all 4 hell branches and Tomb AND being semi-common in Pan and Abyss (all fiend types and tormentors in spawn list) seems a little too common for such a powerful effect. 10:27:32 it was supposed to make it less dangerous 10:27:32 tavern is really a place. 10:27:39 4. Revise Orc Priest smiting ability. Transform it to reduce a target to 1-15% of total health 10:27:46 maybe because it's a trademark feature of extended 10:27:52 along with hellfire 10:28:18 i would be all for torment being more common elsewhere if it's done well, it's a good effect 10:28:18 we need tombfire 10:28:34