00:00:21 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:02 <|amethyst> Bcadren: can you at least compile your own trunk? 00:04:22 watch out Bcadren, that's all I was trying to do a couple months ago. compile the code and set up a webserver for me and my friends to putz around with, and all of a sudden I'm neck deep with editing the dgamelaunch wiki entry and running a bonafide server 00:04:32 <|amethyst> heh 00:05:21 |amethyst I haven't dicked much with Crawls code...but 00:05:57 here's me making a game in 48 hours: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XecnV41ZALM 00:07:36 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:09:15 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3512-gf874658 (34) 00:09:53 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:10:54 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:12:42 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:51 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 00:18:58 -!- gnum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:20:57 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:22:26 * Bcadren thinks if Summon Elemental was moved to Transmutation it would see more use...and be the logical progression past Summon Snakes for people who use the school for more than self-transmuting. 00:23:17 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:23:55 the problem is summon elemental isnt very good 00:24:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:24:08 so just changing the school wont do very much 00:24:31 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:24:59 I've had some ideas floating around for making Summon Elemental more useful (scale HD with spell power, use some other mechanism for determining elemental type), but I've been focusing more on 0.14 getting out the door than anything to do with that. 00:26:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:28 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:26:29 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 00:26:53 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:26:57 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:27:18 For that matter Elemental Evokers seem less good than they should be...The initial 'strike' is pretty good (lamp of fire, phial of floods) and the blow back effect can have its use in breaking out when surrounded (fan of gales); but the elementals summoned don't seem to do that much. 00:27:21 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:11 -!- hypermatt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:28:19 I disagree, Bcadren. With a bit of evocations skill I find them to be exceedingly useful 00:28:24 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:26 except for the earth one 00:28:48 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:48 -!- hypermatt is now known as Guest82529 00:29:07 the earth one is much more situational than the others but possibly better with low evo when it is useful 00:29:44 I had a lot of evo skill in my last run; got the most bang for my buck out of two rods (getting one of those early is why I chose to train evo). [Lightning and Venom] 00:30:03 -!- Guest82529 is now known as hypermatt 00:30:21 -!- moose has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34:06 I guess Venom is being removed though? Or will only contain a single spell? 00:36:13 it's already been removed 00:36:13 the evokers have been nerfed several times and i still find them rather excellent tools. before they were remade they were basically like summon elemental 00:36:17 something no one ever used 00:36:45 wheals what are the rods in 0.14 then? 00:36:49 ??rods 00:36:49 rods[1/1]: striking, lightning, destruction, fiery destruction, clouds, inaccuracy, swarm, shadows 00:37:18 what a bad entry 00:37:24 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:37:31 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:37:42 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 00:38:46 !learn edit rods s/.*/clouds, destruction, fiery destruction, inaccuracy, lightning, shadows, striking, swarm 00:38:47 rods[1/1]: clouds, destruction, fiery destruction, inaccuracy, lightning, shadows, striking, swarm 00:38:52 much better 00:39:23 it would be cool to see one of destruction and fiery destruction renamed (since according to the entry ice is gone) 00:39:30 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:39:57 Simple-ish idea: Give Holy Pan the unique 'Holy Rune' as opposed to sometimes carrying the Demonic one. Buff the Seraph to matching Lom Lobon/Unique Panlord levels (be particularly deadly for undead and demonspawn of course); let it drop an artifact rod or staff that may be evoked for Greater Healing. 00:40:00 originally i was going to name newdestruction rod of bolts 00:40:27 i guess that would sound a little odd with crossbow bolts being a thing? 00:41:09 then again it does fire bolts of fire, bolts of cold, etc... things that already were called bolts! 00:41:12 -!- eb has quit [] 00:41:35 fiery destruction -> explosions (or demolitions) 00:41:37 oh boy, even more pan tedium hunting for yet another rune 00:41:43 simple-ish idea: remove pan 00:41:44 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:42:09 also, 'evocable greater healing' would be hilariously OP, ofc 00:42:12 ngFungus> simple-ish idea: remove pan 00:42:12 [01:42.06] 00:42:16 !learn add PleasingFungus ack 00:42:17 PleasingFungus[1/1]: ack 00:42:21 ack! 00:42:22 would you stop 00:42:22 double ack 00:42:25 ackack 00:42:26 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:42:30 stop adding entries, please 00:42:30 thpppppppppt? 00:42:35 !learn del PleasingFungus 00:42:35 Deleted PleasingFungus[1/1]: ack 00:42:41 (pleasingfungus is ackack) 00:42:45 no comment 00:42:51 ??ackack 00:42:51 I don't have a page labeled ackack in my learndb. 00:43:09 I meant to add the remove pan entry and my chatclient goofed out. 00:43:22 And people do it to me all the time. 00:43:24 removing the pan entry sounds bad 00:43:42 I have no idea who put this here,for example 00:43:45 ??Bcadren 00:43:45 bcadren[1/8]: Bear is driving a van 00:43:47 well, if it went along with removing pan, that wouldn't hurt 00:43:49 :) 00:44:55 i keep wanting to defend infinite pan but i really the problem is that it doesn't work with dcss's design principles 00:45:00 What I meant to put up was "!learn add PleasingFungus simple-ish idea: remove pan" I won't now that I've been told not to add entries. 00:45:05 s/ i really// 00:45:20 wheals what about infinite Abyss. 00:45:22 abyss is basically what pan wants to be 00:45:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:45:34 also if people adding entries to your name bothers you feel free to remove them 00:45:49 it doesn't. 00:45:58 its just adding an entry as simple as "remove pan" isnt very productive or worthwhile 00:46:35 yes, if we really need to have a place to confine scumming (as dpeg has argued before) we don't need two 00:46:37 I was adding it to PleasingFungus's namespace to indicate who they are. 00:47:18 hellpan 00:47:35 What if...Pandemonium kept its current gimmick (can't return to a floor once you leave)...but...there are only 27 floors? 00:48:04 Holy, Disco and all the unique pans guaranteed within those...as well as at least 2 Zig entrances. 00:48:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:11 What does Formacid self-shafting do in Pan and the Abyss? 00:49:15 alternately, what if pan was repurposed as a 'boss rush' sort of thing. one level, one rune, no way out but through... 00:49:33 *one rune per level (and presumably five levels?) 00:51:02 Some people would mourn the ability to go to multiple Ziggurats in a game. 00:51:03 there's a problem with it in that you could permanently miss out on runes, but that's already a thing, so 00:51:18 Bcadren: I am willing to make that sacrifice 00:51:29 esp. now that zigs are guaranteed in depths 00:51:45 (wait, are they? I forget) 00:53:36 PleasingFungus yes; guaranteed 1, but a chance of an extra one on every floor (same as Abyss, Hell and Pan vaults). 00:53:57 getting multiple zig entrances in depths sounds truly extraordinary. 00:54:55 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 00:56:00 there was the suggestion for a zig evokable on zi:27 00:56:09 PleasingFungus: there is always precisely 1 zig in depths 00:56:25 wheals Aww...I thought there was a chance for multiple. 00:56:27 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:29 Zig evokable? 00:56:54 evoke it to summon a zig 00:57:54 however, it perma-torments you every time 00:57:55 half max hp 00:57:58 no resist!!! 00:58:17 for the gamer who wants a 'real' 'challenge' 00:58:31 ._. 00:58:44 Who made it so Zigs require a rune to open? 00:58:48 they take three 00:58:50 and it was me 01:00:06 Why? 01:00:24 -!- Thalfon has quit [] 01:00:39 Other than to frustrate people that waste a trowel card in Pandemonium because they can't open the Zig? 01:01:39 uhhhh 01:01:55 why the hell are you in pan without at least three runes 01:02:04 why are you trying to get into a zig, the hardest thing in the game, without three runes 01:02:40 Uhh...in my last run the demonic (Holy Pan) was my third rune... 01:02:56 The Icy (Cocytus) was my second. 01:03:21 Also there are people that still do branchless in general. 01:03:32 people who do bizarre conducts are a niche 01:03:33 ??branchless 01:03:33 branchless[1/2]: A win without entering any side branches that you enter via staircase. This means no Temple, Orc, Lair (or its subbranches), Vaults. 01:03:44 and the game should not be designed to cater to them 01:04:26 Doing Zig early is a legit strategy though; you may have to abort earlier than one you'd do at the end of the game, but even stopping at like Zig:10 or so you got great XP and loot. 01:04:50 why would branchless do a zig without 3 runes 01:04:54 most likely you wouldn't have had the gold then 01:06:32 True; I had the gold with two runes though (Cocytus and Orc gold mostly). 01:06:41 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:07:15 wait, you were branchless but went into orc? 01:07:42 I wasn't branchless I was just saying in my last run... 01:08:53 it was a 15 rune run, though I did Silver and Gold last. Just did a bizarre order for the hell of it. Turned a bunch of normally challenging branches into quick dives...even Vaults: 5 was easy as cake doing it after hell. 01:12:20 Also Yea I know a Rod of Heal Wounds could be exploitable, but then so is the Staff of Dispater...seems like similar tier of item. 01:13:49 not really, no 01:14:43 healing is something that crawl goes to great lengths to make precious and limited (exception: ely, but no one actually plays ely). there's a reason why a wand of heal wounds is one of the most precious items you can find 01:15:01 the precious 01:15:14 preciouses 01:16:19 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140320030203]] 01:17:45 !whichgod * 01:17:46 5482 recent wins: 779x Trog, 653x Okawaru, 584x Vehumet, 571x The Shining One, 401x Ashenzari, 360x Makhleb, 211x Cheibriados, 211x Jiyva, 204x Kikubaaqudgha, 188x Zin, 186x Sif Muna, 173x Lugonu, 163x, 150x Nemelex Xobeh, 142x Yredelemnul, 138x Xom, 109x Dithmenos, 96x Beogh, 88x Fedhas, 75x Elyvilon 01:18:09 ...huh you are right. Ely is the least popular god. Here I was expecting it to be Chei or Zin. 01:18:48 More popular in extended? 01:18:50 !lg * recent urune=15 won s=god 01:18:51 1091 games for * (recent urune=15 won): 346x The Shining One, 166x Vehumet, 87x Zin, 87x Makhleb, 69x Ashenzari, 67x Sif Muna, 43x Kikubaaqudgha, 40x Cheibriados, 30x, 30x Okawaru, 25x Jiyva, 24x Trog, 18x Nemelex Xobeh, 17x Dithmenos, 13x Lugonu, 13x Xom, 9x Beogh, 3x Yredelemnul, 2x Fedhas, 2x Elyvilon 01:18:58 ...nope. >_< 01:19:22 Bcadren: why did you expect ely to be more popular in extended 01:19:44 it just seems a bit weird :p 01:19:45 wheals sources of healing make hell have less sting. 01:19:46 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:20:09 i guess.... 01:20:10 Since a lot of the hell effects stand to make waiting a bad idea. 01:21:30 Gods I've won with: Sif, Dithmenos (offline though, so I'm not in those totals). 01:23:00 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:23:04 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 01:25:07 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:31 People in ##crawl make it like Ely is almost overpowered for a god, but stats show either they aren't or they are just not popular for some other reason. 01:26:51 Bcadren: it's somewhat popular for ely worshippers to switch to tso or zin for extended 01:27:04 well, not exactly popular but it's a strategy that's been employed 01:27:31 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:27:59 Ely to Zin seems sketchy to me for sure 01:28:25 also popularity and power arent correlated 01:28:39 !lg * recent won --he s=god 01:28:39 help a ghost 01:28:39 94 games for * (recent won --he): 49x Elyvilon, 14x The Shining One, 12x Zin, 6x Okawaru, 2x, 2x Ashenzari, 2x Makhleb, 2x Trog, 2x Jiyva, Nemelex Xobeh, Kikubaaqudgha, Dithmenos 01:28:50 But they're not, for sure. Be nice if that didn't need explaining 01:28:53 !lg * recent won --he s=god urune=15 01:28:53 10 games for * (recent won --he urune=15): 5x The Shining One, 4x Zin, Elyvilon 01:29:08 nonethousand you appear to be right. 01:30:42 drinking from fountians fail by LIPS 01:30:42 repel missile spell lasts forever once cast by LIPS 01:31:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:31:27 good bugs 01:31:39 yes 01:31:49 wasn't drinking from fountains removed on purpose? 01:32:36 %git :/ountain 01:32:52 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-3311-g4708aff: Don't allow recolouring dry fountains. 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4708aff097df 01:33:16 um why not 01:35:07 show the pokemon? 01:35:15 show the changelog for 0.14? 01:36:54 I think that might be badwiki lying. It says fountains won't be quaffable in 0.14 but I don't see it on the changelog. 01:39:46 it's not there since it wasn't deemed important in the slightest 01:41:03 'ghost' missing a sprite... shows up as a question mark by LIPS 01:41:07 SO quaffing fountains -is- being removed it's just not in the changelog? 01:41:12 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:41:25 sounds like this guy isnt aware of what trunk is 01:41:35 (LIPS, not you Bcadren) 01:41:42 * Bcadren cries. No more fountain drinking. :( 01:42:01 Which 'ghost' doesn't have a sprite yet? 01:42:16 ghosts are for monsters that dont exist anymore 01:42:34 honestly being confused about "ghost" monsters is very reasonable 01:43:28 they got a desc that explains it slightly 01:44:45 Honestly, Fountain drinking was only useful if (1) you were a vampire returning to a blood fountain you were kind of using as permafood. (2) You worshipped Xom and wanted to amuse him by getting bad effects from a sparkling fountain. or (3) You were intentionally trying to be a very chaotic (read: mutated) character and were hoping for the Mutation Pot effect. [too random for tactical use.] 01:46:07 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:40 !lg * recent won vp-- urune=15 s=god 01:46:41 9 games for * (recent won vp-- urune=15): 5x Makhleb, 2x Kikubaaqudgha, 2x Ashenzari 01:47:26 I see lack of food/healing in extended is still a vampire issue. The two ash are interesting though. 01:47:39 -!- Somefellow has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 01:49:38 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:50:24 there are more corpses in extended 01:50:53 -!- archaeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:51:16 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:51:28 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:31 -!- rast- is now known as rast 01:51:36 than there used to be? Yes, especially true in Pandemonium (normal floors have all those demonspawn now)...Do gargoyles corpse-drop? 01:51:56 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:57 * Bcadren thinks there is room for more (B) gods as long as (B) gods each only work for a few races. Orc being the only race that has a racial god is flavour nice; but gameplay...odd...especially for new players to know there is one god they must be a certain race to do. 02:00:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:56 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:16:32 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3512-gf874658 (34) 02:17:20 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:18:37 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:18:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:26:37 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 02:27:23 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:28:15 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:40 How do you check monster stats in old versions? 02:30:05 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:32:56 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:39:17 -!- rchandra1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:31 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:39:33 -!- rchandra1 is now known as rchandra 02:42:18 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:42:38 Sigmund (08@) | Speed: 10 | HD: 3 | Health: 30 | AC/EV: 0/11 | Damage: 5 | Flags: spellcaster | Res: 06magic(12) | Chunks: 07contaminated | XP: 104 | Sp: throw flame (3d5), confuse, invisibility, magic dart (3d4). 02:42:38 %0.9?Sigmund 02:43:03 Sigmund (08@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 30 | AC/EV: 0/11 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(12) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 104 | Sp: throw flame (3d5), confuse, invisibility, magic dart (3d4) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 02:43:03 %??sigmund 02:43:07 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 02:43:38 well you know, he hasn't changed, but that's how 02:43:46 Lom Lobon (12&) | Speed: 10 | HD: 19 | Health: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Damage: 40 | Flags: 05demonic, fighter, master archer, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11582 | Sp: ice storm (10d14), conjure ball lightning, major healing, blink range, blink away. 02:43:46 %0.9?lom lobon 02:44:08 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10433 | Sp: glaciate (42d1), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 02:44:08 %??lom lobon 02:44:52 Terpsichore (13p) | Speed: 10 | HD: 18 | Health: 140 | AC/EV: 7/25 | Damage: 30 | Flags: 07undead, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, DMsl | Res: 06magic(144), 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2407 | Sp: ball, swiftness, corona, blink, cantrip. 02:44:52 %0.9?terpsichore 02:46:22 "ball" 02:46:24 good spell 02:48:40 I really do like the idea of bringing her back...as a statue in a runed-door vault or two. Wandering phantom...her strength varied too much, due to whatever weapons happened to be on the ground varying from...'you just killed a bunch of hellknights and there are demon weapons everywhere' to...nothing at all. 02:53:17 THough I like the flavour of Tukima's Dance...it does lead to a lot of weapon hording and inventory tedium to use optimally. 02:55:04 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:56:35 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:57:02 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:59:50 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:00:38 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:01:59 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:03:30 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:18 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:07:00 Deep Elf Blademaster from mercenary card doesn't swap his weapons by jjormang 03:07:09 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:08:12 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:29 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:12:40 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:16:44 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:06 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:17 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:23:13 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:30:54 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:32:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:38:19 -!- ereinion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:41:31 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:31 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:51:24 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:51:28 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 03:51:41 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 03:53:58 -!- ayutzia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:56:39 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:57:04 -!- ZRN_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:57:50 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:01:37 -!- Ketsa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 04:01:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:02:24 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:09:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:22:56 -!- rchandra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:38 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:18 -!- Acidburn6 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:36:11 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 04:46:10 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 04:52:32 -!- buzzykins has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 04:54:05 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:55:20 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:01:58 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:10:11 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:14:00 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-3513-gcc21494: Fix double backslash in files pulled from transifex. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc214943a5e5 05:14:00 03Translators02 {galehar} 07* 0.14-a0-3514-g9e948d2: [Transifex] Some formatting fixes and more invalidations. 10(2 minutes ago, 23 files, 96+ 1144-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e948d2023b1 05:20:01 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:21:11 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:21:11 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:26:40 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:26:50 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:27:47 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:29:59 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:31:07 -!- syllogism has quit [] 05:32:45 -!- absolutego has left ##crawl-dev 05:44:50 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:52:12 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 05:55:43 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:55:48 -!- rast- is now known as rast 05:56:23 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56:40 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:02:26 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:03:55 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:53 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:19:44 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: I'm Discordian mafia. 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I'd like it moved back. https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11495 09:04:23 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:19:33 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:00 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:37 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:28:54 "Fixed. Return this now." 09:31:04 Turn tail, thou frothy ill-nurtured fleecer! 09:32:28 make the patch, I will merge it 09:32:36 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 09:33:00 deal 09:34:17 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:35:13 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:35:46 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:37:45 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:42:15 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: Bcadren did improve the tree proposal quite a bit to address critique, thoughts on moving it back? 09:43:47 not sure MarvinPA should after being called "asshole" 09:43:56 <|amethyst> there is that 09:43:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:44:09 also not sure it's improved quite a bit, but I guess that's subjective 09:44:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:44:40 it has the form of a species proposal now, that is true 09:45:25 we need a "species proposal" template, I guess 09:46:38 no, a few good examples suffice 09:47:07 yeah, that would helpful, at least 09:49:25 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:52:09 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:52:36 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:58 -!- trystero has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:56:31 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:52 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:18 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:15:57 Good batch of "bugs" overnight, I see. 10:20:47 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:09 -!- Hailley has quit [Client Quit] 10:25:37 -!- User_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:30 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27:27 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:31 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:33:33 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:42:32 !send Grunt an s 10:42:32 Sending an s to Grunt. 10:42:37 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:45:05 awesome, blackcustard tracked down Yermak's invis bug 10:45:08 1learn goodmantis 10:46:04 hrm, "Please file a bug report" in that mprf(MSGCH_ERROR, ...) call, maybe it should just always say that 10:46:38 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 10:48:27 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:35 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:03 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:23 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:59:59 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:00:31 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:07:18 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:07:33 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:00 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:14:05 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:52 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:17:11 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 11:20:45 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:22:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:01 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:29:17 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:30:11 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:32:29 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:34:48 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:40:47 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:41:10 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: Say What?] 11:41:26 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:42:16 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:52 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:24 Baconkid made some nice art, so I went and ruined it for him. by khalil 11:50:32 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:17 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:51:44 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:51:57 that picture is awesome 11:52:15 dpeg: there's more in the thread! 11:52:36 I know, and I pm'ed baconkid whether he'd be okay with a CDO gallery of his stuff 11:52:46 :) 11:52:48 he said yes, so now I'll approach the Nap King. 11:53:30 <3 11:54:55 -!- Baconkid has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:54:58 hmm, should nemelex really reduce the power of punishment cards based on your penance, that seems backwards 11:55:35 also not sure if they should be based on your evoc skill still? i guess using xl instead of evoc there would fit for scaling wrath more similarly to other gods, maybe 11:56:54 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:23 that mnoleg one is great 11:57:37 <3 the eyes 11:58:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:59:25 the drawing at the top of the linked page is kind of unfortunate 11:59:31 baconkid's stuff is cool tho 12:00:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:04 MarvinPA: probably best if you go ahead... you seem to know about Nemelex :) 12:08:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:13:29 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:14:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:00 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3514-g9e948d2 (34) 12:16:17 ...something I did on a lark based on previous comments: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5494313/banner_xom1.png (and 2 and 3) 12:16:17 Grunt: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:20:26 !tell elliptic https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5494313/banner_xom1.png (and 2 and 3) 12:20:26 Grunt: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 12:21:02 * dck is getting BORED. 12:21:27 dck is now a BORING thing. 12:21:44 "Try this." dck is blasted with flames! Ouch! That really hurt! 12:22:55 * dck laughs at your impertinence. 12:23:05 rip fun vault 12:23:05 dck: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:24:24 oh hmm i guess a better way to do this would be with a CFLAG_PUNISHMENT rather than a bunch of new parameters 12:25:07 Grunt: I don't see any Qbert dragon on that banner... 12:25:11 adding that in between CFLAG_MARKED and CFLAG_DEALT... is fine right? was some old cflag removed there/am i misunderstanding stuff, this is highly possible? 12:26:31 MarvinPA: let's find out 12:26:57 well i feel like i should be extra-sure here since save compat stuff :P 12:28:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:28:08 MarvinPA: I'm trying to figure out what was there before, if anything. 12:28:26 ah right 12:28:37 %git 363a17cc 12:28:37 07|amethyst02 * 0.11-a0-539-g363a17c: New Nemelex ability: Deal Four. 10(2 years ago, 8 files, 126+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=363a17cc58cc 12:28:50 ...so at the time DEALT was added, there wasn't a << 3? 12:30:25 Tracing through the history of decks.h, I don't see anything that was ever a << 3. 12:31:43 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:35:38 -!- Mateji has quit [Client Quit] 12:36:45 A daft question perhaps but does the sequell.pl in dcss_henzell do logfile/milestone announcements and if not what does? 12:39:17 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:39:25 ??bots 12:39:25 bots[1/3]: Bots that can be pm'd: announcement bots: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Sizzell (CSZO, %), Lantell (CLAN, $), Ruffell (RHF, #), Rotatell (CBRO, ^); others: Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! ?? & and others) 12:39:28 ??bots[2 12:39:29 bots[2/3]: For bots that are written to play crawl instead of talking about it: !nick bot 12:39:30 ??bots[3 12:39:31 softignore[1/4]: Bots too annoying? If you have the right client, try this: 12:40:23 ?/henzell 12:40:24 Matching terms (2): henzell, linley_henzell; entries (47): ac13[1] | bazaar[2] | bots[1] | captainplatypus[1] | cbus[7] | crawl_players[1] | daftfad[1] | dchimera[2] | devteam_old[5] | dieseltodos[1] | doy[2] | eidolos[1] | famous_last_words[18] | fungee[1] | goodchar[2] | goodchar[3] | grape[1] | henzell[1] | it[3] | kumelbut[1] | lagus[1] | lilli[1] | linley[1] | linley_henzell[1] | linley_henze... 12:40:32 ??henzell 12:40:33 henzell[1/1]: Linley Henzell is the original creator of Crawl. "Henzell" is also the {CAO} announcement bot. Based on {Sizzell}, which is based on {Gretell}. Uses ! as its command prefix. Note: non-announce functions now in {Sequell}. 12:40:41 ??sizzell 12:40:41 sizzell[1/2]: Like Gretell, except that |amethyst is typing everything himself. Announces games and upgrades on crawl.s-z.org ({CSZO}). Uses "%" for its commands ("%dump" etc), but does not do nick mapping. 12:40:46 ??sizzell[2 12:40:46 sizzell[2/2]: Source at https://github.com/neilmoore/sizzell 12:41:11 Thanks, gammafunk, that's what I was after :) 12:41:13 broquaint: what repo are you talking about exactly? 12:41:36 Oh I thought it was dcss_henzell for some reason - https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/ 12:41:46 Brain fail considering I've just been hacking around in it quite a lot :/ 12:41:46 broquaint: ah ok, I was going a bit nuts there :) 12:42:04 yeah, looking at dcss_sequell can do that to you 12:42:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 12:43:00 :) 12:44:40 broquaint: but to answer your question (in case it wasn't clear), sequel.pl is the front-end script for teh Sequell bot 12:44:48 sequell.pl, I should say 12:45:31 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:47:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:31 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:37 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:47:48 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:50:58 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 12:52:08 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:53:39 Thanks, gammafunk, I've got Sequel up and running now just trying to get the Henzell equivalent going :) 12:53:51 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:49 broquaint: ##crawl-sequell is good if you want to ask sequell-related questions 13:01:32 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:02:37 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:59 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:13 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:15:57 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:16:09 Cool, good to know, may drop by later :) 13:17:12 wheals: i can't reproduce 8314, the message correctly shows up and is force_more'd for me with default settings 13:17:29 ...huh 13:20:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 13:20:59 oh actually hmm 13:21:09 i think it did just happen once 13:22:26 MarvinPA: I have it happen fairly frequently; I haven't been able to figure out why. 13:22:40 MarvinPA: it happens with other things like items sometimes, too. 13:23:04 Maybe a "this tile was seen" flag isn't getting reset correctly or something? 13:23:47 Grunt: specifically in the abyss? 13:23:55 (also we should update the force_more so it triggers on seeing more than one gateway found simultaneously) 13:23:59 wheals: yes. 13:24:56 also i successfully managed to cmpletely sidetrack myself while in the middle of the nemelex stuff, oops 13:25:04 i've managed to reproduce it consistently with &L*evilmike_abyss_exit_5 13:25:15 does this look right, i think it's right: http://sprunge.us/jcOI 13:26:49 deck flags are scary, if only i hadn't noticed that nemelex wrath is silly and had just made the one-line change to wraith card i was going to do originally :P 13:29:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:30:55 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:06 Looks right to me, but maybe you should let someone in a position to compile and test at the moment comment <_< 13:31:08 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:31:37 -!- brainwrinkle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:35:19 oh - my solifuge guys are in decent enough shape for someone else to look at http://sprunge.us/XRHT . still rough but I think in the ballpark of 'reasonable' 13:37:43 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:37:44 PleasingFungus: oh, interesting 13:38:32 Change the glyph - lightgreen s is demonic crawlers :) 13:38:36 Maybe use an a? 13:38:56 oh, I was basing it off the glyph reform sheet 13:38:59 since this isn't going into 0.14 13:39:04 Right. 13:39:30 !learn edit gammafunk[1] s/$/, y u no orb spawn in portal/ 13:39:30 gammafunk[1/1]: TODO: cut monster-in-wall code, vault guards wielding while zerked, ally piety, arte granting sinv + evocable break unseen invis, new sack of spiders, run doxygen to see what it looks like and email crd about code doc., y u no orb spawn in portal 13:39:32 Also we normally put new bands right at the end of the bands list rather than inserting them somewhere like that. 13:39:45 I think it's irrelevant for save compat purposes, but it looks odd. 13:40:00 ? 13:40:02 they are at the end? 13:40:14 There's a BAND_SINGLE_MONSTER after yours. 13:41:23 hm 13:41:25 in totally unimportant stuff, i'd not explicitly describe the blood pact as a makhleb thing, and not have them worship makhleb 13:41:32 I assumed that was intentionally at the end 13:41:34 since that has slightly weird effects in making them chaotic as far as zin's concerned 13:41:37 since vashnia was presumably the newest band 13:41:53 You may want to clean some of the Annuvian references out of mon-death.cc too. 13:41:56 MarvinPA: I explicitly made them chaotic - is that bad? 13:42:11 oh hm so they are 13:42:16 like arachne 13:42:18 Arachne (11H) | Spd: 15 | HD: 17 | HP: 200 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, web sense | Res: 06magic(68) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3551 | Sp: ensnare, poison arrow (3d24), blink, b.venom (3d21) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 13:42:18 %??arachne 13:42:20 uuugh, I found-replaced ANNUVIAN and annuvian, but not Annuvian. need better regexes 13:42:22 i didn't imagine them as a chaotic thing from the desc at first 13:42:27 oh, huh, no silver vuln 13:42:42 PleasingFungus: also not ANNUV 13:42:48 I'm not sure incrementing mon->speed like this will stick ifi the speed is recalculated; you may want to add some handling to calc_speed instead (and call that as necessary). 13:42:55 s/ifi/if/ 13:42:59 u g h 13:43:00 (cursed tablet typing) 13:43:11 The tablet sticks to your hand! 13:43:15 Grunt: ok, that seems reasonable 13:43:25 MarvinPA: I do see Makhleb worship code in here! 13:43:33 oh. 13:43:42 You're saying "don't do that." 13:43:53 * Grunt goes and hides in the corner for his lack of reading comprehension. 13:44:04 cursed tablet reading? 13:44:20 Apparently! 13:44:40 the cursed -2 tablet of Blindness {Read-- Type--} 13:44:53 wheals: they are silver vuln, at least according to in-game examination 13:45:20 MarvinPA/Grunt: I'm fond of the blood pact theming, and it's not like the game has a huge excess of early/midgame chaotic creatures 13:45:21 yeah, is_known_chaotic sets that 13:45:22 esp in spider 13:45:35 idk. I can give it up if it's a problem 13:45:50 I can stop making my monsters chaotic any time I want. I don't have a problem 13:46:02 yeah i just didn't imagine them as being deliberately chaotic on first glance, probably fine! and not important compared to whether their main gameplay thing works or not :P 13:46:07 PleasingFungus is blasted by MarvinPA's holy word! 13:46:18 * PleasingFungus convulses. 13:46:30 I'm okay with them being chaotic / Makhlebites, for the record. 13:46:53 It's not going to have a tremendous impact on how they play unless you happen to be a Zinite or have silver ammo. 13:47:09 (fr more uses for silver ammo besides blasting orbs of fire) 13:47:19 * Grunt heads home... 13:49:09 oh right, that was the other thing I was going to do. hp increase from the deathbuff should probably be based on current hp % 13:49:42 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:47 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:52:15 hmm this might end up making nemelex wrath a bunch nastier than it is currently, i think he ought to be able to draw wrath cards at you with at least vaguely similar power to when you're worshipping him/have decent evoc though 13:53:12 i guess wild magic and swine are probably the only cases where that matters particularly 13:53:18 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:14 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:00:30 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:47 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:02:35 more exciting sidetracks: going downstairs makes you immune to mesmerisation for a few turns 14:02:59 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:03:47 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:38 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:06:54 almost as exciting as boots of the spider makes you rWeb 14:09:26 (how do I rWeb) 14:09:31 -!- Yll has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:11:12 (play console :p ) 14:11:29 *rimshot* 14:12:46 rWebSockets 14:15:38 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:03 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: life!] 14:23:13 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:25:28 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-3515-g3e1e60c: Don't let scrying preserve otherwise-out-of-LOS clouds (simm). 10(69 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e1e60c28bb4 14:26:28 Grunt knows everthing there is to know about the scrying game... 14:27:32 -!- Napcat has quit [Client Quit] 14:27:36 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:30:16 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:30:37 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3516-gf0e9fa7: Reduce loot in an ice cave 10(17 hours ago, 2 files, 5+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f0e9fa715950 14:30:37 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3517-gada48b1: Close a colour tag 10(56 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ada48b1d80ec 14:30:37 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3518-g25355f4: Clean up some broken deck identification handling 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25355f4cde3f 14:31:16 -!- Napcat has quit [Client Quit] 14:32:08 -!- Watball has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:34:46 -!- Acidburn6 has quit [] 14:35:57 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:36:12 so i'm reasonably sure that the nemelex wrath change is sensible and doesn't do anything like make swine card last a billion turns, it does make wild magic cards likely to have noticeably higher power but that is probably okay since previously they would have been very low 14:36:28 any thoughts on whether it should go in/wait for 0.15? 14:36:49 MarvinPA: we already have plenty of other wrath reform in 0.14; I think it's safe to go in. 14:37:04 (It's the sort of thing that I'd prefer happen all at once between major releases.) 14:37:36 yeah, i'm pretty sure it's impossible for it to be totally ridiculous since the majority of the punishment cards don't check power at all 14:39:32 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:40:45 -!- Isabel is now known as Isasaur 14:41:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:44:48 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:46:20 -!- Fusha has quit [] 14:51:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:55:03 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:55:57 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3519-g06ca5bf: Don't let Nemelex's piety/penance levels affect card power from Punishment draws 10(84 minutes ago, 2 files, 35+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=06ca5bf28751 14:55:57 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3520-g290746a: Adjust some deck of Punishment cards 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=290746a59a81 15:01:02 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:02:09 -!- Zephryn has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 15:05:28 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:19:43 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:27 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:23:11 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:37 ...oh before I forget, if you throw something at a monster, should they shout if they were previously unaware of you? 15:24:59 what determines when they shout, normally? 15:25:07 They shout when they become aware of you. 15:25:09 if theyre asleep they will shout 15:25:28 I'm thinking of the "throw a stone at something to get its attention without it shouting" thing. 15:26:03 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:26:23 it really doesn't have a chance to shout if that happens? 15:26:26 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:26:30 no 15:26:32 same with spellcasting 15:26:43 <|amethyst> You throw a javelin. The javelin hits the snapping turtle. 15:26:43 <|amethyst> The snapping turtle is moderately wounded. 15:26:43 <|amethyst> _The snapping turtle hisses angrily. 15:26:55 |amethyst: was it sleeping 15:27:01 <|amethyst> ah, yes 15:27:06 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:13 <|amethyst> so it's only when they were awake but unaware? 15:27:18 yes 15:27:23 same with spellcasting 15:27:36 monsters shout when sleeping but if you spellcast while theyre unaware they wont shout 15:28:39 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:36:51 -!- _miek has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:40:00 <|amethyst> It sounds like a reasonable change, but I think would need enough playtesting that it should wait for 0.15 15:40:59 <|amethyst> maybe not "things shout when you throw things at them", but "things shout when they acquire you as a foe" 15:41:40 <|amethyst> I don't know how significant a nerf to stealth that would be in practice 15:44:26 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:30 -!- Isasaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:46:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:50:38 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:51:20 !messages 15:51:20 No messages for TZer0. 15:51:46 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:52:44 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:14 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 15:53:33 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:53:34 it would be quite a nerf if monsters shouted more often than they do now 15:53:51 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:57:43 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:01 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:09:58 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:10:38 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:12:22 -!- Alarkh_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:14:49 -!- Guillome_renard is now known as qoon 16:16:32 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:42 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:43 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:29:57 -!- gnum_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:31:27 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:31 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:18 -!- reaverb2 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:11 it would be nice if throwing darts at wandering enemies wasn't a good strategy, but definitely not 0.14 material I think 16:34:12 elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:34:44 probably they should have some chance of shouting then though 16:35:28 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:35:38 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:35:56 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:36:38 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:31 -!- reaverb2 is now known as reaverb 16:37:46 -!- reaverb1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:38:23 you could solve the problem of throwing darts by making the player shout when a monster becomes aware of them, that way throwing darts is the same as pressing tt 16:38:50 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:58 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:39:00 you already nerfed my cast rmsl to alert monsters tech! this is why you should let me apport thin air instead 16:40:25 I think monsters should have the same chance of shouting regardless of how you alert them 16:40:53 whether it be tt, dart, casting sure blade, etc 16:41:04 but that chance probably needs tweaking from what it currently is 16:52:29 -!- redmoss has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:54:07 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:07 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 16:54:07 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:24 ...hm, I can't tell if this is really an improvement: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5494313/banner_xom1.png 16:58:29