00:00:01 !learn add goodcode bool ensnare(actor *fly) 00:00:01 goodcode[8/8]: bool ensnare(actor *fly) 00:00:31 i don't get it 00:00:37 web 00:00:50 oklob plant shifter (09P) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 30 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant, 07vault | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 370 | Sp: s.acid (3d7+7d5); blink other | Sz: small | Int: plant. 00:00:50 %??oklob plant shifter 00:00:52 webs catch flies 00:00:54 oh 00:01:01 it made me laugh 00:01:01 i guess 00:01:17 I know touching sprints is sinful, but 00:01:57 Grunt: I meant to ask you, in your runaround encompass vault, how exactly do those door placement subvaults work in terms of mapping the spaces + door glyphs to the main vault? 00:02:06 surely of all the places it'd be appropiate to change it'd be the one mocking a branch that actually happened after it 00:02:14 ??oklob plant shifter 00:02:15 I don't have a page labeled oklob_plant_shifter in my learndb. 00:02:23 I wasn't sure exactly what would end up in the main vault when those are included 00:02:33 basically how the spaces are "mapped" 00:02:41 it's rotation magic 00:02:48 gammafunk: well, that's a bit of an odd case thanks to the really weird syntax to work around a parser bug. 00:02:56 git status 00:03:00 wrong window 00:03:01 Look for the SHUFFLE and SUBST right at the end of the door vaults to see, though. 00:03:07 alright 00:03:11 can just use CLEAR nowadays! 00:03:24 Yeah, it's a parser bug that can be worked around more cleanly these days. 00:03:42 unless that's broken with subvaukts 00:03:55 I wonder if anyone's ever tried? 00:04:06 even I lack omniscience with subvaults 00:04:33 I haven't looked at any that weren't contiguous subvaults 00:04:43 so not sure how they work for non-continguous 00:05:34 I don't think anyone completely understands all of the nuances of vault and subvault syntax and functionality. 00:05:46 deciding what to try for my one epic depths encompass vault, so need to look at the existing ones for inspiration 00:05:47 We've had some very strange bugs arise as a result of this. 00:06:30 gammafunk: super water palace 00:06:32 (I still have a few secret depths_encompass.des plans...) 00:06:43 wheals: ..ultra 00:07:25 now I can place my spectral titanical uncanilly ugly thing zombie shapeshifter 00:07:34 chimera 00:07:35 uncannily ugly thing 00:09:14 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3481-g7d9f734 (34) 00:09:24 if spectrals could still cast I would have made three tartarus ends by now 00:09:46 does 'spectral foo' make the dchan kind 00:10:15 yeah 00:10:39 need the enslaved soul kind! 00:10:52 could buff dchan and make there only be one kind 00:11:03 mmm 00:13:16 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:18:02 remember when dragon skeletons could breathe at you 00:19:15 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:21:38 Is that why the description specifically mentions that they don't? 00:21:58 is that for actual dragon skeletons, or bone dragons? 00:22:04 since the latter are different 00:22:21 ah, true 00:23:13 -!- nrook has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23:39 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 00:23:42 repeating my question from earlier, now that there's less ambient noise in the channel 00:23:44 what's a good way to test new monsters? I guess I could wizmode up chars which seem like they're in the right general ballpark of strength for the area (spider), but idk if I have a good intuition for what skills/equipment various types of chars would have there... 00:24:20 find logs of people who died there! 00:24:36 hm. I like it 00:24:56 -!- iasov has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 00:25:39 abuse !fight 00:26:08 also solid 00:26:10 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:26:57 PleasingFungus: yeah, actually fighting them with reasonable build is probably better than fight, but you can do both 00:27:38 I'll start with the latter & move to the former, maybe 00:28:01 fight is certainly easier to set up, yes 00:29:51 did we ever remove ordinary octopodes 00:29:58 I feel that was a consensus at one point 00:30:56 octopode monsters, I should say 00:31:28 I am pretty sure no one would miss them 00:31:31 except players hunting for hats 00:31:52 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:56 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:33:49 ??race list 00:33:49 race list[1/1]: 0.13 races: Ce DD DE Dg Dr Ds Fe Gh Gr Ha HE HO Hu Ko Mf Mi Mu Na Og Op Sp Te Tr Vp 00:35:43 bleh, right, I have to finish my own version of that dummy monster sweep-out 00:36:34 "Rod of Warding" mentioned in spell descriptions by n1000 00:36:34 Does the link in !help lg ( http://is.gd/sequell_lg ) work for other people? 00:37:44 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:38:38 ??lg 00:38:39 listgame[1/5]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md 00:38:44 that is the correct link 00:38:47 !help lg 00:38:47 !lg: Lists games matching specified conditions. By default it lists the most recent game played by the invoker. Usage: !listgame () () (options) where options are in the form field=value, or (max|min)=field. See ??listgame or http://is.gd/sequell_lg for more info. 00:39:14 ??listgame 00:39:15 listgame[1/5]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md 00:39:17 !learn e !help:!lg s|or http://is.gd/sequell_lg|| 00:39:18 I don't have a page labeled !help:!lg[1] in my learndb. 00:39:38 q??!help:!next 00:39:38 I don't have a page labeled !help:!next in my learndb. 00:40:22 I still wonder what a single-spell defensive rod would have looked like 00:40:29 q??!help:next 00:40:29 !help:next[1/1]: Gives you a combo that you haven't won yet. Will remember your current combo and only change when you win it; only available for players who have already won. See !help !next-pref and !help !next-cheat for other options. 00:40:38 !learn e !help:lg s|or http://is.gd/sequell_lg|| 00:40:38 I don't have a page labeled !help:lg[1] in my learndb. 00:44:45 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:45:05 Hm,that is.gd link doesn't work for me. 00:45:23 it does not for anyone 00:45:43 OIC 00:45:46 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:49 You removed it. 00:46:17 no, i tried to 00:46:35 !help:lg 00:46:40 !tell greensnark the link in !help !lg links to the .txt, not the .md 00:46:40 wheals: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 00:46:47 !help lg 00:46:47 !lg: Lists games matching specified conditions. By default it lists the most recent game played by the invoker. Usage: !listgame () () (options) where options are in the form field=value, or (max|min)=field. See ??listgame or http://is.gd/sequell_lg for more info. 00:46:54 Ah. 00:47:25 hrm.. another bug in my 0.13 game :( 00:47:27 ctrl-f "resist", takes me to a shop on D:12 that lists "a - [D:12] a potion of resistance (77 gold)", when I get there, it doesn't have that item for sale 00:47:34 !learn e !help_lg s| or http://is.gd/sequell_lg|| 00:47:34 I don't have a page labeled !help_lg[1] in my learndb. 00:47:42 Hm. 00:47:44 %watch HOFi 00:47:44 Watch HOFi at: https://crawl.s-z.org/#watch-HOFi 00:52:21 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:19 even after saving and returning, it still lists it :| 00:53:42 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:53:53 it's right there 00:53:57 letter i 00:54:25 oh LOL, I'm blind 00:54:27 sorry 00:54:51 -!- blahblahblah has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:03 -!- blahblahblah has quit [Client Quit] 00:55:21 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:10 -!- xFleury has left ##crawl-dev 00:59:23 -!- tenofswords has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:02:49 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 01:03:10 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:07:18 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:07:47 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:07:50 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:47 -!- eb has quit [] 01:17:57 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140319030201]] 01:18:45 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:20:58 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:31:32 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:32:40 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 01:33:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:36:58 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:43:53 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:53:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:03 -!- Butts has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:06:02 -!- User__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:08:32 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:56 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:19:11 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3481-g7d9f734 (34) 02:19:12 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19:12 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:12 -!- Vaporware has quit [Changing host] 02:19:12 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:19:25 -!- netkitten has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19:26 -!- ttj has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19:26 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19:27 -!- vadatajs has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:19:38 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20:10 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:20:10 -!- Eonwe4 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:22:03 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 02:27:06 -!- mezmerelda has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:27:53 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 02:30:01 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:36:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:38:28 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:46 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47:23 -!- Bovinius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:48:20 Hm, it looks to me like DracoOmega's commit on 3/12 reverted this change: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b7e27b8a485f7b27492800626aa1eb444d32288 02:51:46 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:53:53 !tell grunt It looks like there was a weird merge error with DracoOmega's commit and http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b7e27b8a485f7b27492800626aa1eb444d32288 was reverted (it looks like unintentionally) 02:53:54 Keanan: OK, I'll let grunt know. 02:56:03 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:56:24 -!- Ragnor has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:57:47 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:58:27 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:41 Keanan: what was the commit in 3/12? 02:59:56 The deterministic poison code going in it looks like. 03:00:02 I mean the ref 03:00:14 the hash, that is 03:00:23 Lemme look. 03:00:38 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:01:52 (Sorry, i just shut that window down :) 03:02:15 is it 03:02:23 %git bf4633e10 03:02:24 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-3277-gbf4633e: Rescale DUR_POISONING from 4 times damage to 100 times damage 10(11 days ago, 3 files, 12+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf4633e106d6 03:02:31 And I don't know if it's what changed it, it's just the next commit that touches that file. 03:02:45 (Of course the "a" doesnn't have the change which is very confusing) 03:03:03 That looks like it, yes. 03:03:22 Very Mysterious. 03:03:23 well, it's not that one, so let me look at the blame 03:05:17 !source spl-damage.cc:3007 03:05:17 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc;hb=HEAD#l3007 03:05:59 Keanan: the current source still has the change you say was reverted 03:06:17 in both spl-damage.cc and spl-data.h 03:07:22 Oh, nevermind, I'm crazy :) 03:07:55 I'm looking at the commit backwards. Now I just need to figure out why it's not working in my local build, which is probably my fault (At least I assume it is) 03:08:25 yeah, git diff hash^1 hash is what I use to avoid the backwardsness 03:08:35 there's probably shorter syntax for that 03:08:57 Hm, well, it doesn't *work* in any case :) 03:09:29 !tell grunt False alarm re: the weird merge error, Keanan claims temporary insanity :) 03:09:29 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 03:09:33 (It's still range 6 in testing) 03:09:46 hrm 03:09:59 Oh, wait, nevermind 03:10:03 I don't have max spellpower.. 03:10:05 Silly me :) 03:11:44 Yeah, I forget how awful it is to get to max spellpower sometimes 03:11:48 Keanan: yeah, I was about to say 03:12:09 It's hella awkward to use glaciate with real-human values though. 03:12:20 must be pretty hard to get full range glaciate... 03:12:31 Must have been terrible before the changes... 03:12:32 maybe that range formula needs adjustment 03:13:06 27 spc/conj/ice magic and 40 int gives range 6, add a ring of ice and it's up to range 7 03:15:01 (Takes 180 spellpower to get range 8, which is rough) 03:16:01 Rather, "unlikely in realistic circumstances" 03:16:22 Anyway, I'm off to bed, g'night! 03:16:37 Yeah I have archmagi + |conj 03:16:37 and I finally get 8 03:16:37 even then the targeter doesn't show the full range 03:16:37 so that's a bug 03:16:37 oh weird 03:16:38 it doesn't show the full range in N 03:16:39 but it does in E 03:16:39 does it do that for you as well? 03:16:53 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:17:58 Um N/E? 03:18:20 no, full N or full S 03:18:31 it doesn't show the full range in the targeter 03:18:37 but in full E and full W it does 03:18:43 when it's range 8, I mean 03:19:01 Hm, it seems to be working fine with both the targetter and in the spell display for me. 03:19:39 as in, you see the full 8 tiles shaded yellow by the targeter N and S? 03:20:00 Oh oh, let me move somewhere where I can see a full LOS around me 03:20:01 I'm asuming you're in tiles, for oe 03:20:21 yeah I cast shatter a bunch with &z (27 skill) to do that :) 03:20:35 i usually just make dig wands 03:20:42 shatter is faster 03:20:44 then wield one so i can zap with v instead of V 03:20:48 with repeat command, at least 03:20:57 oh, probably with repeat command yes 03:21:10 I just moved to shoals :) 03:21:11 wielding wand also good, yeah 03:21:45 I'm using console, and it seems to work fine 360 degrees around me. 03:21:55 yeah, this would def. be a tiles only thing 03:21:59 (The targetter did) 03:22:11 well, I just *assumed* it would, but I assumed correctly 03:22:18 I'll tell grunt about it, thanks anyways! 03:22:37 Yeah, and i think an adjustment to the range formula would be nice too. 03:22:54 Something like max range at ~140-160ish seems more reasonable. 03:23:02 just IMHO really. 03:23:08 g'night! 03:23:55 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:28:07 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:28:37 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:30:21 which spell is Rod of Venom keeping? 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I was told that I was to get some stuff done during the weekend 09:09:37 oh well. 09:11:19 -!- scummos^ has quit [Client Quit] 09:12:08 right, just pulled, no origin/stone_soup-0.14 yet 09:18:54 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:58 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:22:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:25:02 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:25:04 -!- Morg0th has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:32:42 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Elena] 09:36:25 TZer0: grunt said maybe next weekend 09:36:32 I asked on Saturday 09:37:47 and since I'm out if town most of next weekend who knows when I'll get around to it 09:38:34 okay. 09:40:07 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:40:16 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 09:40:48 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 09:41:43 -!- sstrickl has quit [Client Quit] 09:43:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:43:23 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing 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yeah i noticed that to a lesser extent in a lab 10:08:08 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 10:09:17 apparently they do need rod mp, but only 1 10:13:59 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:15:08 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Client Quit] 10:20:08 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 10:23:56 i guess this could all use some cleanup for rods only having one spell, it definitely looks to me like they should be costing the full amount on monster zaps but that's not happening 10:28:27 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:02 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:32:25 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:41:28 -!- LemonAIDS_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:48:37 -!- hi is now known as Guest26270 10:49:36 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 10:50:21 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: I'm not here right now.] 10:55:34 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3482-gbf19594: Update some item descriptions 10(30 minutes ago, 1 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joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:02 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:19:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:27:40 -!- floatboth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:32:14 boring beetle (07B) | Spd: 6 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-57 | AC/EV: 13/4 | Dam: 35 | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 110 | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 13:32:14 %??boring beetle 13:32:15 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:21 formicid (03a) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-57 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(32) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 228 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:32:21 %??formicid 13:32:26 shapeshifter (07T) | Spd: 5-30 | HD: 7 | HP: 8-74 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 20, 15, 15 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(56) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 324 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 13:32:26 %??shapeshifter 13:34:41 Make Tengu perma-flight white by Tedronai 13:40:41 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:44:02 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:46:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:54:20 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 13:55:46 It's weird that shapeshifters get three attacks, when they so rarely get to use their own melee. 13:56:27 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: err 13:56:32 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:38 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: those are the three attacks of a troll 13:56:44 ah 13:56:47 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: since that's what the shapeshifter rolled 13:56:55 shapeshifter (03S) | Spd: 3-30 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-34 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 2, 103(constrict) | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(8), 12drown | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 18 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Medium | Int: reptile. 13:56:55 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter hd:2 13:56:56 shapeshifter (04r) | Spd: 3-30 | HD: 3 | HP: 2-56 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 10doors, evil, !sil | Res: 06magic(24) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 68 | Sp: (random) | Sz: little | Int: animal. 13:56:56 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter hd:3 13:56:57 shapeshifter (07k) | Spd: 3-30 | HD: 3 | HP: 8-59 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 1008(poison:6-12) | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(24) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 103 | Sp: (random) | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 13:56:57 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter hd:4 13:56:59 shapeshifter (07c) | Spd: 5-30 | HD: 4 | HP: 8-59 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 10 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 157 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 13:56:59 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter hd:5 13:57:09 that makes more sense. 13:57:10 shapeshifter (16j) | Spd: 4-15 | HD: 20 | HP: 80-149 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 40 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(160) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1723 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Big | Int: insect. 13:57:10 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter hd:20 13:57:19 shapeshifter (02b) | Spd: 3-30 | HD: 6 | HP: 2-195 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 14, 11 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(48) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 2876 | Sp: (random) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 13:57:19 %??shapeshifter hd:30 13:57:23 I assume base shapeshifter has no attacks? 13:57:28 that's a tough raven 13:57:32 shapeshifter (02b) | Spd: 3-30 | HD: 6 | HP: 2-195 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 14, 11 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(48) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 2876 | Sp: (random) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 13:57:32 %??shapeshifter hd:30 13:57:36 shapeshifter (02b) | Spd: 3-30 | HD: 6 | HP: 2-195 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 14, 11 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(48) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 2876 | Sp: (random) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 13:57:36 %??shapeshifter hd:30 13:57:39 interesting 13:57:42 <|amethyst> gammafunk: HD:6 13:57:50 <|amethyst> gammafunk: also, monster always uses the same seed 13:58:03 shapeshifter (04@) | Spd: 3-30 | HD: 27 | HP: 1-179 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(216) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1919 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:58:03 %??shapeshifter hd:27 13:58:09 heh 13:58:21 shapeshifter (04@) | Spd: 3-30 | HD: 27 | HP: 1-179 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(216) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1919 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:58:21 %??shapeshifter hd:27 13:58:30 <|amethyst> Lasty: it has one plain hit for 5 damage 13:58:35 unknown monster: "shapeshifter zombie" 13:58:35 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter zombie 13:59:08 raven (02b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 6 | HP: 25-42 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 14, 11 | 04eats corpses, sense invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(16) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 262 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 13:59:08 <|amethyst> %??raven 13:59:14 I take it the shapeshifter code has something that makes it possible to generate with extremely low HP regardless of the monster impersonated? 14:01:53 <|amethyst> Lasty: it has normal hit points for its monster type 14:02:14 <|amethyst> Lasty: those ranges are the results of doing several trial runs and taking the largest and smallest 14:02:18 oh, I see 14:02:34 <|amethyst> Lasty: but the symbol, AC, etc comes from a single run 14:02:52 unknown monster: "shapeshifter HD:15" 14:02:52 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter HD:15 14:02:52 That makes sense 14:02:55 shapeshifter (12J) | Spd: 7-15 | HD: 15 | HP: 62-156 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 1212(cold:15-44), 1212(cold:15-44), 12, 12 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1439 | Sp: (random) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 14:02:55 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter hd:15 14:02:58 shapeshifter (16j) | Spd: 4-15 | HD: 20 | HP: 80-149 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 40 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(160) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1723 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Big | Int: insect. 14:02:58 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter hd:20 14:03:01 shapeshifter (16j) | Spd: 3-30 | HD: 20 | HP: 2-150 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 40 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(160) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1557 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Big | Int: insect. 14:03:01 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter hd:24 14:03:11 shapeshifter (16j) | Spd: 4-16 | HD: 20 | HP: 4-149 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 40 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(160) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1570 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Big | Int: insect. 14:03:11 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter hd:23 14:03:13 shapeshifter (06C) | Spd: 4-30 | HD: 20 | HP: 5-145 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(160), 12drown | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1594 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 14:03:13 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter hd:22 14:03:14 shapeshifter (16j) | Spd: 4-15 | HD: 20 | HP: 77-143 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 40 | 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(160) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1586 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Big | Int: insect. 14:03:14 <|amethyst> %??shapeshifter hd:21 14:03:48 <|amethyst> I guess around 22 or so it starts running out of shiftable monsters to impersonate, so it can get something of much lower hit dice 14:04:32 <|amethyst> hence the raven for hd:30 14:06:01 And the hp ranges that start at 2 14:07:58 <|amethyst> it probably rolled a bat or something in one of the trials 14:10:41 yeah 14:15:29 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:18:58 -!- Foamed has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:01 <|amethyst> hm 14:20:44 <|amethyst> in fact, arena '10 shapeshifter hd:21 v 10 shapeshifter hd:30 t:10' shows the hd:21 team usually winning 14:21:06 <|amethyst> because it gets mostly titans and elephant slugs, while the hd:30 team gets all kinds of random crap 14:21:13 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:37 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:30:00 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:31:52 I wonder 14:32:31 !fight t:3 30 shapshifter hd:21 v cerebov 14:32:54 !fight 30 shapshifter hd:21 v cerebov t:3 14:33:03 !fight 30 shapeshifter hd:21 v cerebov t:3 14:34:39 the mostly slugs chalk up a win over team & 14:36:05 and they win 2 out of 3 (just barely) 14:36:31 !fight 30 glowing_shapeshifter hd:21 v cerebov t:3 14:37:12 It does seem a bit weird that when the HD overflows suddenly wildly under-depth stuff gets chosen 14:37:20 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 14:38:19 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:39:05 HD: -127 14:39:13 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:38 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:46:03 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:15 <|amethyst> hm, I bet this line never triggers 14:47:20 <|amethyst> if (relax > 50) return simple_monster_message(mons, " shudders."); 14:47:37 <|amethyst> since that would require, in 1000 attempts, passing a 1/200 chance 50 times 14:48:44 <|amethyst> (in the targetc == RANDOM_MONSTER case in monster_polymorph) 14:50:42 1learn add rare_messages 14:50:59 s??it[shudder 14:50:59 it[18/41]: Its shudder. 14:51:24 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset 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"You shudder from the earth-shattering force." 15:01:52 <|amethyst> : "You shudder."); 15:01:55 <|amethyst> for shatter 15:02:33 huh 15:02:38 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 15:03:07 <|amethyst> and separately in shillelagh(), but if the list of monsters gets too long, it uses "There is a shattering impact!" 15:03:19 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:25 is it supposed to a pun 15:04:26 devastator is basically the unrand of special-casing 15:04:48 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:57 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:05:25 <|amethyst> wyrmbane is as bad 15:05:36 yeah, I could see that 15:06:00 <|amethyst> and I think most defensive things are even worse 15:06:16 <|amethyst> special defensive effects, I mean, not just defensive egos/artps 15:06:37 well I was limiting my scope to unrands :p 15:07:45 I think it's only the bad-attack special case in melee-attack that annoyed me a lot 15:07:50 <|amethyst> gammafunk: grep 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is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! 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This makes reading scrolls, 19:34:11 +casting spells, praying or yelling in the caster's vicinity impossible. The 19:34:12 maybe i'll prioritise that over monspeak actually, i think it's been a long time since hints in particular have been properly looked at 19:34:16 praying is possible now! 19:34:31 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:35:00 oh so it is 19:35:04 wow, removing all these "a bunch of"s 19:35:15 "Condolences!" 19:35:24 -!- Eonwe5 is now known as Eonwe1 19:35:56 there were a bunch of bunches of 19:36:06 " You've just converted to worshipping Xom. You can keep Xom happy by keeping him amused; you do absolutely not want this god to grow bored with you!" 19:36:19 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:36:35 sounds like wiki advice 19:36:45 ...I guess a lot of hints must have been removed over time so that a message just for joining Xom doesn't look half as out of place 19:37:37 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:13 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3497-g06b6985: Fix Silence description (wheals) 10(69 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=06b6985f12a6 19:39:15 -!- User has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:39:44 the lack of oxford comma makes me sad :( 19:43:40 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:43 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:47:29 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:48:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:52:31 demonic crawler (09s) | Spd: 13 | HD: 9 | HP: 43-71 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 13, 13, 13 | 05demonic, see invisible | Res: 06magic(96), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 352 | Sz: Big | Int: insect. 19:52:31 %??demonic crawler 19:52:47 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 20:00:10 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:29 I agree wheals 20:12:12 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:19 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Client Quit] 20:15:00 * johnstein plans to dedicate his next win to his family, the dev team and and the crawl community. (and the serial comma) 20:15:33 dedicate every win to the &s 20:16:04 tenofswords: ... 20:16:21 this d:15 looks suspiciously familiar 20:17:51 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good night to all!] 20:20:17 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:20:43 uh, how come summon swarm got it's cap lowered 20:21:03 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 20:21:23 because it's basically the same in practice 20:21:25 i got flayed by a ghost, then cast control undead on it and it died 20:21:31 flay status remains 20:21:31 i assume this is a bug 20:21:36 the real cap is the rod charge 20:24:55 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:53 wheals: ? 20:26:03 got slaughterboxes! 20:26:06 oh 20:26:28 you can ignore the entire slaughterbox and just walk around to the far end for the depths stairs 20:26:33 yeah 20:26:39 but the loot! 20:27:12 surely that thus makes it a pretty good indicator of what Depths is going to be like 20:28:06 (I wonder if, to be fair, I should have made runaround also place on d:15) 20:31:48 ooh, a sphinx 20:32:04 d:15 8s have a lot of bite! 20:32:29 see, lots of warnings of "leave off depths for later" 20:33:41 -!- Guillome_renard is now known as qoon 20:35:43 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:48 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 20:41:08 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:21 what it is 20:42:10 -!- simmarine_ is now known as simmarine 20:42:21 what is it that it is? 20:42:36 <|amethyst> psycho killer 20:43:00 ba bah ba bahh bada, ba bah ba bada 20:43:40 so, when is/was 0.14 being branched? 20:44:14 <|amethyst> grunt suggested next weekend in a CRD email 20:45:12 <|amethyst> I had been expecting it to be this past weekend, but I guess people still have improvements 20:45:35 just wondering 20:46:13 <|amethyst> ackack: yes, looks like flay is removed only when non-coaligned ghosts die (or are pacified) 20:46:14 i guess i should futz with that grand avatar tile 20:46:39 and that reminds me, flayed ghosts need a better tile too 20:47:10 |amethyst: thanks for checking. maybe if you enslave a ghost that has flayed you that should end flay? seems like that's the logical point to check 20:47:20 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 20:47:27 <|amethyst> ackack: not sure whether it would be better to do that; or to track who is reponsible for the flaying (which would also handle multiple f.g.s better) 20:47:43 <|amethyst> ackack: there's also the case of monsters being flayed 20:47:53 <|amethyst> ackack: what happens if the flayee but not the ghost changes attitude 20:48:18 <|amethyst> ackack: file it on mantis, because I don't think it's going to get fixed in the next 30 minutes or anything like that :) 20:55:06 -!- Acidburn6 has quit [] 20:56:10 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:56:56 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:57:11 who flays the flayer? 20:57:15 -!- Pharaoh_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:57:19 |amethyst: ok 20:59:41 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:47 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:03:20 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:06:48 -!- tgcid has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:12:06 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 21:30:31 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:35:44 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:03 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:40:30 |amethyst: Not exactly improvements; a couple of people pointed out that they wanted time to see how their most recent changes panned out. 21:41:44 ontoclasm: strictly speaking you can put the tiles in after the branch (it's not gameplay-related), but if they can go in before that would be good! 21:41:48 (mostly the grand avatar) 21:42:38 -!- rubinko__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:42:41 There are a couple of other things that might be able to use new tiles (minotaurs showing weapons would be a good one; we could just pull one of the tiles sitting on Mantis for that), but I think most of the other ones I'm thinking of are things which will be influenced by early 0.15 changes. 21:42:56 <|amethyst> any new tile enums should go in before branching 21:43:06 I have the enums there already :) 21:43:30 (actually I was going to add one for Phantom Mirror in case someone decides to do monster spell tiles, but that's not urgent) 21:43:36 are we branching now? ...how about now? ...now? 21:43:51 * Grunt gestures. gammafunk suddenly stops moving! 21:44:01 <|amethyst> also, ./util/tiles_unused shows several tiles that should either get enums, or be moved to UNUSED 21:44:22 * gammafunk shouts! The branch falls on gammafunk! He dies... 21:46:58 <|amethyst> what do snaplasher vines look like in tiles? 21:47:08 They look like vines. 21:47:22 (poor ontoclasm for having had to work on that) 21:47:42 <|amethyst> hm 21:47:47 %git 21:48:37 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-3497-g06b6985: Fix Silence description (wheals) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=06b6985f12a6 21:48:37 <|amethyst> tiledef_lint lists those enums as unused 21:48:37 <|amethyst> ah 21:49:20 Interaction between Flay and Control Undead by ackack 21:51:01 |amethyst: there is one glitch though 21:51:10 which i am uncertain of how to fix 21:52:57 the "head" of the vine, i.e. the end opposite the part that grabs you, picks an adjacent tree to connect to 21:53:12 or fake being connected to for display purposes, if you see what i mean 21:53:38 but sometimes it picks one such that it wants a tile that shows a 45 degree angle 21:54:02 and those don't exist for any other types (and i don't want to rewrite the entire tentacle code to allow for them) 21:54:12 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:54:25 End of Beastly Appendage can delete mutations, if upgraded during spell duration by Kyrris 21:56:14 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: is it possible for the only tree to require a 45 degree angle? 21:57:30 |amethyst: i have no idea! 21:57:38 i'm going to assume probably yes 21:57:55 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:12 since in actuality there is no connection to the tree, the vine just spawns adjacent to it 21:58:33 <|amethyst> hm, and what keeps that from happening with real tentacle-bearers? 21:58:47 <|amethyst> e.g. 21:58:47 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:48 <|amethyst> * 21:58:50 <|amethyst> wX 21:58:53 i think they automatically shorten their path 21:58:56 in such cases 21:59:05 the * there would disappear automatically 21:59:19 <|amethyst> could you make the vine reroot itself in a similar way? 21:59:28 ....maybe? 21:59:46 alternately it sould just use the appropriate 90 degree tile 21:59:54 and thus look like it's attached to the tree at a corner 21:59:59 which is fine 22:00:12 -!- tenofswords has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:07:41 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-3498-g0c21696: Handle vines in tiledef_lint. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0c216963e853 22:08:08 -!- iasov has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 22:11:51 ??they 22:11:51 devteam[1/12]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam 22:14:11 ?/see {devteam} 22:14:11 Matching entries (7): dev[1]: see {devteam} | developers[1]: see {devteam} | devs[1]: see {devteam} | fantasy_hipsters[1]: see {devteam} | them[1]: see {devteam} | they[1]: see {devteam} | who[1]: see {devteam} 22:14:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:23 q??fantasy hipsters 22:14:23 fantasy hipsters[1/1]: see {devteam} 22:14:25 -!- qoon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:19:29 oh yes, dragons are cliche, how perceptive of you, maybe you can explain to me how mountain dwa 22:23:49 Candlejack got him 22:25:48 Grunt: If I make those two tweaks to your glyph patch, add my comment commit, and upload a newly rebased version to the glyph bug, will you push a version of that when you branch? 22:26:00 I can push it too, of course 22:26:14 gammafunk: I'd prefer to not do anything tremendously drastic in trunk until the tournament ends. 22:26:30 (Otherwise people will be motivated to play trunk and not help get 0.14 fixed up.) 22:26:43 what, the tournament isn't motivation enough? 22:27:14 The tournament isn't starting immediately after branching; there's going to be a gap of a couple of weeks. 22:27:27 (*release*, on the other hand, will probably be shortly before the tournament starts) 22:27:30 in any case I just want to put these in one place 22:27:32 dang, weeks? 22:27:59 I guess it doesn't matter where they sit all that much 22:28:02 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:28:24 now I'm imagining a huge wave of commits right after the tournament. chaos in the trunk 22:28:31 clearly we need three concurrent versions 22:28:33 s??dracoomega[cry 22:28:34 dracoomega[3/5]: Pushed three pages of commits moments after the 0.12 tournament ended. Revamped Crypt and buffed 4s 22:28:43 ??dracoomega[5 22:28:43 dracoomega[5/5]: Just watch for a flood of like 20-30 commits that's probably DracoOmega 22:28:57 yes, exactly, but with other people contributing too 22:29:00 a hundred commits in one day 22:29:42 I think when I said that he actually commited like 31 or something 22:29:52 ontoclasm * 0.14-a0-3499-a00b17cd: Remove the Lair. 22:32:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:32:24 gammafunk * 0.15-a0-1-eef0ccd: New L9 Conjurations/Dodging spell: Food Fight 22:34:28 grunt * 0.15-a0: Remove Crawl. 22:34:35 about time 22:34:36 (the unique) 22:34:41 (the branch) 22:34:50 -!- jeffro_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:35:36 (the demonic -er monsters) 22:35:44 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:36:02 -!- jeffro_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:07 gammafunk * 0.15-a0-10-: Revert "Revert "Revert "Revert "Revert "Make snozzcumbers blue""""" 22:36:36 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:12 0.15-a0 is probably going to be me making a new changelog header for 0.15, in any case. 22:37:16 <_< 22:37:43 -!- Pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:41:58 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 22:42:38 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:47:08 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 22:49:56 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 22:51:34 %git 0.14-a0 22:51:34 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0: Restore trunk changelog entries removed by 673ecc60. 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 26+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a16bb39190cc 22:51:46 How do you compile in debug mode? 22:51:56 make debug 22:52:16 that makes sense 22:53:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:03:33 -!- davos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:05:12 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:30 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:42 What's a good way of seeing how much xp a monster is worth, in-game? (I'm trying to figure out what's going on with the xp calcs for the new guys I'm adding, so I can't just ask Chei.) 23:09:21 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:10:07 <|amethyst> xD shows it (on the first line) 23:10:40 Oh, I see. 23:10:54 That shows up as black-on-black in this terminal setup... I may have to tweak it. 23:10:57 Thank you! 23:11:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: what terminal? 23:12:07 os x terminal 23:12:12 also it doesn't seem to be a theme issue 23:12:13 hm 23:12:27 <|amethyst> it's darkgrey, which is bright black 23:13:02 <|amethyst> Turn on "use bright colors for bold text" in the text preferences 23:13:24 Ah, that did it. 23:13:27 Thank you again! 23:13:38 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:14:15 <|amethyst> that should make a lot of things look better :) 23:15:41 yep, these guys are worth 4 times as much xp as they're supposed to me. 23:15:43 *be 23:15:49 hm. 23:16:33 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:17:39 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-3499-g5545dd3: Fix arc blade discharge behaviour. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5545dd3c9da8 23:17:41 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 23:17:41 what are your thoughts on this: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11456 23:17:49 for the distant future 23:18:05 (note my caveat at the bottom) 23:18:12 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:18:57 "realistically in most fights you hold tab and it plays each animation" 23:18:59 hm 23:19:50 yeah, that thread is full of badposting 23:20:25 but if you only look at the OP and minmay's first note then it's almost like it's a good thread 23:20:37 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:20:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:20:57 -!- gnum has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:00 yeah idk it seems like a decent idea 23:21:22 wouldn't be *too* much work to make arrows, either, I'd think? even with all the permutations 23:21:27 ontoclasm, that sounds so much like gdd 23:21:28 and it'd make axe behavior much more obvious 23:22:12 I'd disagree with 'turning it off by default'; things are turned off by default are things which no one but expert players use 23:22:19 which is the opposite of the appropriate situation here 23:22:37 I think minmay can probably survive adding another line to his rc file to turn these animations off ;) 23:25:58 -!- blackcustard_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:26:07 PleasingFungus: well, having (some) animations be interruptible would be a big improvement in many ways 23:26:35 ranged combat online can get painfully slow 23:26:37 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 23:26:43 sure 23:26:49 that's an orthogonal question, though, I'd think 23:27:15 especially since I'd expect these hypothetical melee animations would be disabled by default online 23:27:27 oh. I wonder if that's what minmay meant 23:28:10 the problem is that your input gets buffered while you wait through the animation, so if you put in a bunch of keystrokes, e.g. by holding tab 23:28:22 you get a long ugly blinkfest while each animation plays 23:28:45 stories that begin with "holding tab" generally end with "by the titanic slime creature" 23:28:48 in my experience 23:28:55 "long ugly blinkfest" 23:28:56 wr guide? 23:29:02 hah 23:29:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:29:33 I feel like if someone's holding down a key, that's a problem in itself 23:29:35 A very ugly blink 23:29:45 uncannily ugly blink 23:29:52 i imagine that there would have to be some big changes in the webtiles code if this were to work they way i want it to, though 23:29:54 'un-choices' writ small, I guess 23:30:28 oh yeah tavern was mentioning ridiculous loot stashes, so I dug up one I spectated this jan: http://i.imgur.com/lBHixvT.png 23:32:50 PleasingFungus: nice stash 23:33:00 it was ridiculous 23:33:06 there was even more off the top of the screen 23:33:14 and he was making trips to the abyss to fetch ever more stuff 23:33:42 bonus points next time if it uses the nethack castle zot entrance vault as the stash location 23:34:06 basically, it would be nice if frames could be marked as "non-critical," and if a critical frame is recieved/generated while we're processing a non-critical frame, we just immediately drop out and move on to the critical one 23:34:10 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 23:35:57 speaking from ignorance: do crawl animations really have many frames? It always seemed to me like delays on single frames... in which case the desired behavior would probably be to have a 'default' delay and a 'min' delay, the latter being used whenever there was another action pending. 23:36:00 if that makes sense. 23:36:00 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:35 PleasingFungus: most of them are only 1 frame 23:38:02 but projectiles redraw themselves for every square they travel 23:38:34 and they're the major source of delay that people complain about, yeah, so you'd want to focus a solution on them. 23:38:36 okay. 23:38:58 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:18 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:39:28 so really there are two problems: 1) the delay set on individual frames, 2) the time it takes to send and draw the frame 23:39:40 2 is nigh-unto meaningless for local, but is a big deal online 23:40:08 1 is rarely annoying, but would be if it happened on every melee attack 23:40:18 i guess if you're spamming refrig or something 23:40:44 that's the effect you'd get 23:41:35 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:42:36 what's the delay on fridge? 23:42:54 's animation 23:44:40 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:45:17 -!- blackcustard_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:48:22 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:48:32 i guess just one frame, with no delay, as far as i can tell 23:48:46 that seems wrong though 23:50:45 hm. it gives me a --more--, but that might just be because I'm in debug mode 23:51:19 oh, i see now 23:51:22 300ms 23:51:29 i just stopped reading too early 23:52:24 yeah I'd want to experiment but I'd think 50ms would be on the top end of what you'd want a melee animation to be 23:55:31 hm, i wonder 23:55:54 i think i thought of a better way to do this 23:56:22 which should hopefully obviate all the problems, at least with the melee one 23:56:37 !?!?!? 23:57:43 on the frame where we attacked (which we have to print anyway, since stuff can move etc.), we print the SLASH tile 23:58:32 instead of freezing the display in any way, we just set a delayed trigger that will, 100ms later, redraw without it 23:58:46 seems feasible 23:59:01 but if any other frame occurs in the meantime, it just overwrites our original frame, the trigger does nothing, and we carry on 23:59:20 I am going to pretend that I am minmay: "being unable to see whether or not a monster is dead for 100ms will slow down my play... unacceptably!" 23:59:36 except it'd be in the text at the bottom so w/e. sounds good