00:01:29 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13.1-34-g5444d2b 00:05:42 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:09:51 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3452-g8a8e0fa (34) 00:13:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:14:56 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:15:20 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 00:18:01 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:18:58 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 00:19:52 http://i.imgur.com/Y3qAX8J.png " Really, who thought this was remotely fair? All of those statues can cast ranged sticky flame. I mean, I knew I was dead when I saw the second statue, but honestly. " 00:19:53 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:24:00 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:31 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:25:37 you knew it was a volcano! 00:25:58 this is not my character or my complaint 00:26:01 I just thought it was funny 00:27:26 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:28:14 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:21 yeah, I figured it was from some Tavern or SA post 00:28:33 surely a pleasing fungus would know better 00:28:44 nah I'm terrible at this game. assume only the worst of me 00:28:47 (it was sa, yep) 00:28:50 (I try not to read tavern.) 00:28:55 !gamesby PleasingFungus 00:28:55 PleasingFungus has played 176 games, between 2013-11-22 22:41:11 and 2014-03-22 16:41:42, won 9 (5.1%), high score 11956794, total score 35890071, total turns 3039037, play-time/day 2:14:13, total time 11d+6:42:06. 00:29:00 9 wins! 00:30:10 man, that play-time/day # is kind of scary 00:30:17 I'm gonna blame it all on idling. 00:32:31 !vault vgs_firespitter 00:32:32 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/volcano.des;hb=HEAD#l780 00:32:45 oops, off by one 00:32:58 still. that actually is a pretty vicious vault 00:33:34 if it shows up in an early volcano, anyway. not so much for a later one. not sure what restricts that 00:34:21 -!- sd1989 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:44 !messages 00:34:44 (1/1) Grunt said (4d 1h 40m 44s ago): Crawl 0.14 will most likely enter pre-release this weekend; it would be a good idea to set up your server with a 0.14 branch once that happens. 00:35:50 sd1989: That hasn't happened yet, and it probably won't happen for another week. 00:36:28 sd1989: |amethyst will probably be happy to help you when the time comes :) 00:38:31 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:39:12 heh. volcano.des suggests "(head to line 382 for the maps)". http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/volcano.des;hb=HEAD#l382 is... not maps. 00:39:19 it's a good line, though. 00:40:26 thanks |amethyst. updaterated 00:42:13 !send johnstein help 00:42:13 Sending help to johnstein. 00:42:27 Grunt: OK. 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(2) 'Harvestmen' ("daddy longlegs") (3) 'Solifuges' aka 'camel spiders' aka 'sun scorpions' aka 'sun spiders' 10:39:42 on the one hand, I do like how spider doesn't have the weapon-based humanoid enemies that most every other branch does; it helps make it more distinct. on the other hand, flavoring these guys as humanoid makes it easier to justify their death pact thing. 10:40:55 when you kill one it spills alarm pheromones that piss the others off 10:41:06 (sp) 10:41:12 sounds good 10:41:20 hm. maybe 10:41:34 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:37 almost sounds like frenzy 10:42:08 current implementation is permanent & stacks up to three times. buffs hp, hd & speed 10:42:09 actually, I made the function for almost usable vault.lua placement and then there were a bunch of annoying things that I worked around and then forgot to do the little left to do that 10:42:15 -!- diazepan has quit [Quit: diazepan] 10:42:41 should probably bother again but I need to finish the other things aaaaaahhhh 10:44:25 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44:53 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:58 wait, so does profane halls not have annihilators anymore? 10:45:06 it gets _one_ 10:45:10 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:15 pseudoscorpions are kind of intimidating. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Ar_1.jpg 10:45:18 at human scale, ofc 10:46:03 or this guy http://www.abdn.ac.uk/rhynie/images/arthropods/trigs/trig5d.jpg 10:46:25 http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090829094040/megamitensei/images/0/01/P4-Pabilsag.jpg 10:47:52 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:48:04 oh 10:48:10 it's cute! 10:48:34 a compromise on 'humanoid but not weapon-using' could work. 10:48:51 trolls 10:48:58 yes, exactly. 10:49:51 spider trolls?? 10:50:36 ::::D 10:50:57 no, *scorpion* trolls, clearly. 10:51:12 is there any spare room on s 10:51:19 !!!!!!!! 10:51:41 <|amethyst> there is if we move cockroaches 10:51:46 where's that glyph reform gdoc? 10:52:00 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZdFxdVlU_PiU0G8sNUYytl9oQEovU8H8tc76yXS_65I/edit#gid=1545190811https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZdFxdVlU_PiU0G8sNUYytl9oQEovU8H8tc76yXS_65I/edit#gid=1545190811 10:52:02 you can't move cockroaches! you'll regret this !!! 10:52:04 oops 10:52:36 looks like there's a little space in green/blue, at least in the new setup. 10:53:26 or cockroaches could move. 10:53:51 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 10:54:40 merge cockroaches and mites 10:55:15 and deprive players of the thrills & excitement of fighting... a giant mite? 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12:55:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:55:54 I'm not sure if uncontrolled blink/tele will take you over deep water unless you have perma-fly or swim. 12:56:09 how are you blinking over deep water while not permaflying? 12:56:12 yeah 12:56:22 hmm 12:56:31 it's possible i'm misinterpreting what's going 12:56:47 a friend of mine commented that he drowned and didn't notice a message, i was expecting confusion but this seems like something else 12:56:49 relevant tv 12:56:53 !lg ai -tv 12:56:54 151. Ai, XL18 HESk, T:45975 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 12:57:23 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:58:08 oh huh, what 12:58:20 i blame whoever worked on refactoring the blink function 12:58:43 mm that seems reasonably possible 12:58:55 :( 13:00:40 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:54 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:01:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:36 yep, that was a blink onto water 13:01:42 though he did get the warning beforehand 13:01:57 right before he blinked 13:02:30 well, that was a warning about fly going down 13:02:33 just the regular expiry prompt though 13:02:38 right 13:03:49 at a glance it looks like deep water shouldn't be allowed in valid_blink_destination() 13:03:50 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:37 clearly that's not the case somehow though! 13:04:54 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:59 -!- caleba has quit [Client Quit] 13:05:13 yeah that's... odd 13:05:16 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:06:32 oh 13:06:45 ah 13:06:53 there is no check for is_feat_dangerous anymore? 13:07:05 looks like is_habitable checks for just being airborne 13:07:05 is_habitable returns true if airborne, even if it's not permanent 13:07:07 hm 13:07:07 just for is_habitable_feat (which is true if you're flying) 13:07:34 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:56 yeah, the problem is the removal of the checks for is_feat_dangerous() for lava and water 13:08:59 yeah, I... think that I thought is_habitable() covered that, and didn't want to reinvent the wheel 13:09:18 I did not realize the subtle difference 13:10:06 man, that was two dumb bugs that patch has caused now. 13:11:37 at least this one is slightly hidden, instead of immediately crashing :P 13:11:46 yeahhhhhh 13:11:59 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:31 Yes, Crawl would really use unit tests. 13:12:40 you know what this means, you're fired 13:12:41 and regression tests 13:12:54 (If I were to add a unit test to help with refactoring something, how would I do that? Extend ctest somehow?) 13:12:56 technically it has a test framework set up 13:13:13 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:13:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: not for unit tests though 13:13:44 the docs call them "unit tests". would the docs lie? 13:13:45 :) 13:14:19 so i guess it needs a player-specific check for is_feat_dangerous? is that one of the old bugs with it, that monsters wouldn't be able to blink over deep water/lava if that feature was dangerous to you? 13:14:33 not a player-specific check 13:14:49 just something like 13:15:57 if (forbid_unhabitable && !moved->is_habitable(target) && (grd(target) == DNGN_LAVA && lava_dangerous || grd(target) == DNGN_DEEP_WATER && water_dangerous)) 13:16:01 -!- wat1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:16:04 well is_feat_dangerous is player-specific (since i guess monsters don't have expiring flight) 13:16:09 true 13:16:22 hm. so yeah, you're right, a player-specific check 13:17:12 -!- notcluie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:17:55 -!- dmchale92 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:22:42 <|amethyst> or add a method actor::is_flight_expiring() that returns false and override it in player:: 13:22:57 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:23:19 that would allow players to random-blink (or be displaced) over deep water/lava when they were flying, but not when their flight was expiring 13:23:28 oh or I see 13:23:32 is_flight_temporary()? 13:23:51 <|amethyst> or make is_feat_dangerous a method of the actor class 13:23:59 <|amethyst> (also overridden in player) 13:24:14 <|amethyst> Maybe I'm overthinking it :) 13:24:21 nah, idk. I think it's good to try to do things right 13:24:44 and it wouldn't be overly complex 13:24:47 http://sprunge.us/YMCM this is what i have at the moment, would it be better to do it a different way then do you think? 13:25:30 that's basically what I was thinking earlier. it's reasonable, though I'd add a comment explaining why the player gets special-cased there 13:26:28 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:26:51 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: I think that's not quite right? 13:27:03 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: you added a && so that makes it harder to return false 13:27:04 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:22 ah yeah 13:27:55 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 13:28:09 hm 13:29:05 i'm doing a whole bunch of stuff at once and really confusing myself here :P 13:29:13 yeah, boolean needs to be broken up 13:29:15 one sec 13:29:41 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:31:15 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:32:03 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:32:24 http://pastebin.com/pqBmrFLq something more like this? still ugly, though, and the formatting is all kinds of messy 13:32:58 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:33:28 <|amethyst> couldn't that just be if (moved->is_player && is_feat_dangerous(grd(target), true)) ? 13:34:00 o 13:34:02 <|amethyst> err, is_player() 13:34:06 I was copy-pasting the old code 13:34:11 you're right, it could be 13:36:25 <|amethyst> also, but maybe this should be a separate commit, is_feat_dangerous no longer needs that third argument 13:36:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:37:04 <|amethyst> s/argument/parameter/ 13:37:28 was that for handling suppression? 13:38:58 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:40:59 <|amethyst> no, it was part of an old approach to preventing suicide 13:41:05 <|amethyst> %git 6ab34361 13:41:06 07galehar02 * 0.11-a0-2660-g6ab3436: Prevent cancelling permanent levitation when it would be fatal (#5873). 10(1 year, 9 months ago, 3 files, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ab343619db8 13:42:00 huh 13:45:59 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:49:24 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: quit] 13:49:26 -!- Bamboomancer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:52:05 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:34 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 14:02:19 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:28 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:22 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:39 -!- Keanan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06:38 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:12:02 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:02 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 14:12:02 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:54 -!- reaverb1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:19:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:21 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:49 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:05 Stormzand (L1 VSMo) (D:1) 14:24:12 -!- reaverb has quit [Client Quit] 14:24:23 !tell Grunt i don't suppose you want to generate branch depth/placement descriptions ("The dungeon is 16 levels deep"!) for ?/B too? or maybe i'll look into it at some point :P 14:24:23 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let grunt know. 14:24:58 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:27:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3455-g35fe81e: Adjust monster constriction resistance 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=35fe81ed4c70 14:27:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3456-g24bb9da: Improve draconian and demonspawn descriptions 10(3 hours ago, 2 files, 72+ 122-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=24bb9daaa4b5 14:27:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3457-g5801984: Monster description improvements continued 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 62+ 66-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5801984d233a 14:27:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3458-g299db0c: Make Jiyva's jelly paralysis cost more piety when affecting large numbers of slimes 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=299db0cef684 14:27:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3459-gb8c3d6f: Adjust the display of variable-piety abilities 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8c3d6f85e78 14:27:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3460-ga29d269: Update/improve ability descriptions 10(52 minutes ago, 1 file, 41+ 35-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a29d269e142c 14:27:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3461-g06a901b: Remove MONEAT_FOOD from harpies and Gastronok 10(49 minutes ago, 5 files, 5+ 69-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=06a901b0f7a8 14:27:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3462-g641055a: Fix blinks placing the player over deep water/lava with temporary flight 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=641055a5d1c7 14:27:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3463-g478b61d: Remove an unused paramater from is_feat_dangerous() (|amethyst) 10(31 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=478b61d0b8e2 14:27:12 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3464-gc322531: Update Fighter description 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c32253135d4f 14:27:12 ... and 2 more commits 14:28:32 -!- secularist has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:28:44 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:07 Gastronok (04j) | Spd: 5 | HD: 20 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 2/1 | Dam: 40 | 10items, 10doors, 04eats food, amphibious, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1587 | Sp: airstrike (0-50), slow, swiftness, sum.small mammal, cantrip | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 14:29:07 %??gastronok 14:29:08 (one of those is me being lazy and just updating the branch descs manually) 14:29:42 simmarine: did you know gastronok can eat pizza??? because i didn't 14:29:47 i just learned now 14:29:59 rip etc 14:30:01 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:31:13 maybe he only eats wizard-flavoured pizza 14:31:30 oh no i forgot to test the drac/ds descriptions 14:31:34 It has redscales. 14:31:43 should've added a unit test 14:32:51 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:33:03 -!- SeianVerian__ is now known as SeianVerian 14:33:09 my prose ;_; 14:33:39 sorry :( 14:33:46 i kept the alliteration! 14:33:58 oh so that's what I should have used more of 14:34:03 heh 14:34:25 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:34:28 oh no, can we not contrict hell sentinels now 14:34:51 I guess "It possesses the following divine abilities:" is implication enough that they're almost all convoluted priests 14:34:58 huge naga nerf 14:35:07 oh yeah actually 14:35:17 they're not, i was going to ask about that :P 14:35:22 currently they're real spells 14:35:52 oh wait hmm, they do have M_PRIEST 14:35:56 -!- SeianVerian_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:36:15 blood saint and chaos champion don't, the other three do 14:36:21 aha 14:36:40 (even if Xom doesn't actually give any powers chaos champion could count as a priest, I dunno) 14:37:09 wow you removed "it definitely deserves an axe to the head" 14:37:28 that line made me laugh 14:37:32 it's so un-apropos 14:37:58 kilobyte added it (guess whether he liked the player race) 14:38:10 starting the fightback against halfling removal 14:38:24 also ruined toad licking :( 14:38:29 (i don't actually have a problem with halfling/ko removal/merge/whatever) 14:38:31 wait, are lorocyprocas gone? 14:38:38 no, resorted out of the unique section 14:38:44 oh 14:38:45 haha 14:38:46 surely halflings are more than _just_ short guys 14:38:52 tenofswords: if only 14:39:13 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39:42 the toad licking line was a little weird 14:39:50 also fr vampire monsters do _something_ involving turning into a bat 14:40:54 other exciting things i learned while reading endless monster descs: guardian serpents are effective guardians due to their lack of hands (???) 14:41:10 haha 14:41:11 well, it means they'll never steal what they guard 14:41:12 "Their lack of hands, together with an extreme sense of duty, makes them renowned guardians" 14:41:21 twice-so 14:41:26 yeah I guess it's a "you can trust them not to steal, because they can't" thing? 14:41:27 i see! 14:41:28 it's a little silly 14:41:35 they also can't go away 14:41:39 since they can't open doors 14:41:57 it's a lot smarter than those vault guys being dumb and hiring shapeshifters 14:42:11 slurp, slurp 14:42:13 clearly they hired perfectly ordinary guards 14:42:18 which just happened to be shapeshifters 14:42:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3467-g25ed632: Fix spacing in draconian scale descriptions 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25ed63296651 14:42:36 MarvinPA: why move harpies/gastro to MONEAT_NOTHING instead of MONEAT_CORPSES? It seems like the latter would have been the minimal change 14:42:40 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:44 as per the comment, MONEAT_FOOD monsters also ate corpses 14:43:02 because the next thing going to be removed is moneat_corpses 14:43:04 duh 14:43:07 haha 14:43:11 well eating corpses doesn't really achieve anything on them either, yeah 14:43:17 some undead stuff at least heals off it 14:43:27 the game doesn't really communicate that 14:43:29 the undead healing thing 14:43:34 I never knew that until I read this commit 14:43:47 don't those undead also gain maxhp or something 14:43:49 lamia has it! 14:43:50 >.> 14:43:53 i think with lamia gone it's only undead that eat corpses now? 14:44:00 oh, ravens 14:44:04 wow, really 14:44:05 and eldritch tentacles ??? 14:44:15 they are just that alien 14:44:24 instantly absorbing corpses through the skin 14:44:52 ravens make sense 14:45:08 I guess the idea with eldritch tentacles is that they drag them back through the portal to some unearthly waiting maw? 14:45:10 except they don't 14:45:29 (surely if any sort of eldritch thing eats corpses it should be the "lumbering maw shrouded in a mass of sinuous tentacles.") 14:45:53 this is what comes of people actually reading descriptions !!! 14:45:56 give all x/Xs MONEAT_CORPSES 14:46:11 octopodes eat corpses 14:46:30 sure, they would probably starve otherwise 14:46:42 zymes eat corpses?? 14:47:09 consumed 14:47:11 BY DISEASE 14:47:18 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:47:35 death oozes drop miasma clouds when they eat corpses apparently 14:47:41 and take damage when they eat holy/silver branded items 14:47:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:47:48 ...hahaha, amazing 14:48:00 I wonder if that has literally ever happened 14:48:16 it might be neat if death oozes showed up in late dungeon or something. they don't really do anything in slime. 14:48:31 ditto brown 14:48:48 brown oozes exist to aide shapeshifter slurping 14:48:53 haha 14:49:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140319030201]] 14:49:28 I know they used to appear in D bu 14:49:34 death oozes work okay in slime i think 14:52:08 huh, I could have sworn brown oozes used to be D jerks 14:54:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57:43 tempted to say that ghouls should be replaced with death oozes 14:57:46 since death oozes are at least fast 15:00:20 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:00:41 does this imply giving death oozes ghoul amounts of health 15:03:22 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-3468-ga3591d8: Clarify lair roulette branch and Dithmenos descriptions. 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 11+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a3591d85481d 15:05:05 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:05:31 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:25 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:54 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:08:48 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:10:56 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:01 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:11:03 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:11:06 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 15:12:14 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 15:15:05 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:03 A dungeon features only one of the Shoals and Swamp branches. 15:17:53 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:17:56 -!- rast- is now known as rast 15:18:07 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:27 haha nice 15:24:41 i read "the library of babel" last night and today i get the vault based on it 15:25:06 -!- Guest76725 is now known as ChrisOelmueller 15:25:13 that vault needs more appropiate book names 15:26:03 with this thing I'm about to push there will be 82 different vaults for swamp 15:26:35 for comparative purposes, all of Pan has 102 vaults 15:27:19 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:12 how many swamp vaults were there pre-push? 15:30:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31:21 this is adding 13 15:31:47 how many were there in 0.13 15:31:55 since a lot of people wrote some 15:34:33 0.14 will have added 30 swamp vaults 15:35:55 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:37:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:19 -!- Sneaky_Bastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:38:48 Wands not IDd when used by monster by brendan 15:40:35 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Disconnected by services] 15:43:57 03ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} 07* 0.14-a0-3469-gd73720f: Fix monster_info::res_magic for the recent MR changes 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d73720f461d8 15:45:35 how many vaults can appear on D:2? 15:46:14 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:46:28 man, that requires actual effort to check :P 15:46:58 i'm surprised you don't have a script or something already that checks 15:47:01 (also, that is a different qualifier) 15:48:31 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:51:47 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:52:29 73 vaults from mini_monsters.des (and wow, I found some miserable things about kennysheep's vault on that re-read) 15:56:18 106 alt vaults and okay that's it I'm done 15:57:58 -!- dadwwww has quit [Client Quit] 15:59:11 03gammafunk02 07* 0.14-a0-3470-g1b529ca: Tweak the monster throw ability scoring function 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b529ca1a957 16:00:12 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:03:00 -!- qoon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:05:12 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-3471-gb49671f: Flood Swamp's layouts with more decorative vaults 10(83 seconds ago, 1 file, 683+ 389-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b49671fe04e8 16:05:47 (300 of those +- are just moving around vaults) 16:06:50 tenofswords: what the hell is wrong with you? :P 16:06:53 there's a bone dragon on D:11 16:07:11 bone dragon (15D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 153-205 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Dam: 30, 20, 2007(trample) | 07undead, evil, sense invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3694 | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 16:07:11 %??Bone dragon 16:07:11 Bloax: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:07:17 well that's fun 16:08:44 since that is a 098 vault what the hell is wrong with you for only _now_ bringing up some objection in the form of a speed 10 monster after literally years of this being accepted ood policy 16:09:00 ":P" 16:09:11 bh is passionate about his bone dragons 16:09:11 a bone dragon on D:11 is outrageous 16:09:33 bonerageous 16:09:33 there used to be d:4 wolf spiders 16:09:43 what is the depth of an 8 again? 16:09:48 ??8 16:09:48 8[1/2]: This is either a {statue} or a {golem}. It's either totally harmless or an electric golem. 16:09:49 bh: i had several d:10 wizards thanks to you 16:09:51 ??8[2] 16:09:51 8[2/2]: Is also a marker for extremely out of depth ([depth+2]*2 depth!) monsters in vaults; both traditional and valued by most devs. Good results: d:4 wolf spiders, d:5 centaur warriors, d:6 fire crabs, d:9 sphinxes, d:10 fire giants, d:11 liches. 16:09:58 i guess not as bad 16:09:58 patch for the infinite invis thing up 16:10:00 there are probably still d:3 centaur packs in that one water spiral vault 16:10:12 fire giant (05C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 68-118 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(85), 05fire++, 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1818 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), fireball (3d26) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 16:10:12 %??fire giant 16:10:13 bh: (depth + 2) * 2 on d:11 is nasty 16:10:24 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:28 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 64-103 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2756 | Sp: b.cold (3d29), paralyse, sum.greater demon, animate dead, iron shot (3d34), 04esc:teleport self / b.draining (3d27), slow, invisibility, throw icicle (3d29), crystal spear (3d40) / b.fire (3d29), confuse, haste, b.draining (3d27), sum.greater demon, 04esc:banishment / mystic blast (3d24), b.cold (3d29), invisibility, animate dead, o.destruction (9d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 16:10:28 %??lich 16:10:48 however, it has been official dev policy regarding the very large number of very old vaults that if you can bloody well escape at that depth then it is fine to have absurd and lethal things around 16:11:07 yeah, I don't see a problem with occasional 8s on D:11 16:11:11 so if you would like to take this up with the past rather than assume I am some patreon deity of vaults that are annoying you 16:11:28 am i misremembering things or was there an attempt to not spawn multiple ant vaults per game 16:11:51 that is actually a decent idea and I might bother to do it 16:12:06 ok, don't know why i thought it happened then 16:12:24 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:25 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:31 (somebody go code br_uniq already) 16:25:03 -!- Bcadren_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:13 -!- Reign_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:29:18 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30:31 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 16:30:37 !send Grunt a proposal for a pretty cool dancing weapon pretty species 16:30:37 Sending a proposal for a pretty cool dancing weapon pretty species to Grunt. 16:30:53 s/pretty species/species/ 16:31:07 but it would be pretty 16:34:02 if I could find where dancing weapon stats are defined by the item I would have nerfed their defences already 16:36:11 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:39:33 !function ghost_demon::init_dancing_weapon 16:39:34 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/ghost.cc;hb=HEAD#l677 16:39:46 probably ghost.cc, have fun 16:40:25 (especially figuring out how to do it without messing with everything else at once :P) 16:40:25 the above is where they're set, stats are based on weight and speed of weapon type 16:41:04 but what power are non-cast-made floor-spawn dancing weapons 16:41:06 oh yeah i guess it's not so bad maybe 16:41:07 well the things you'd affect are: dancing weapons, tukima's dance 16:41:12 100 iirc 16:41:16 spectral weapons are different function 16:41:59 yeah random ones are power 100 16:42:00 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 16:47:54 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:50:25 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:51:11 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:52:01 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:32 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:55:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 17:21:25 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:25:50 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:58 -!- User_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:26:08 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:26:17 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:34 -!- Sky__ is now known as Guest26400 17:26:59 -!- Guest26400 is now known as sky___ 17:27:27 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:33:33 -!- _fred has quit [Client Quit] 17:35:19 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:45:53 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:47:21 AI request: Intelligent enemies with spellcasting, but no rPois; should avoid Meph clouds because it neutralizes them. I know this basically buffs elves, which don't need buffing, but it makes sense. 17:48:23 ...intelligent enemies that are affected by meph already avoid it 17:49:21 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-3472-gf2e932f: Volcano edits 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 39+ 42-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2e932fb08f8 17:53:39 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 17:54:48 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:32 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:57:14 -!- sky___ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:04:56 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:42 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 18:06:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:11:58 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:15:56 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 18:17:35 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-3472-gf2e932f (34) 18:20:38 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:21:16 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:22:53 -!- ereinion has quit [] 18:26:55 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:29:51 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:31:14 -!- TrollMan has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:32:41 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:33:37 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:35 fiery destruction doesnt warn you if the fireball is going to hit you 18:43:37 -!- arzant has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:47:06 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [] 18:49:13 -!- Adder_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:49:39 Rod of clouds seems to often think things are out of range when they aren't. :) 18:49:58 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3473-g793d233: Don't let ravens or eldritch tentacles eat corpses 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=793d233a4ab3 18:50:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3474-g6c80670: Update and improve card descriptions 10(40 minutes ago, 1 file, 28+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c8067094e3f 18:50:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3475-g322d0ed: Update and improve skill descriptions 10(29 minutes ago, 1 file, 103+ 111-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=322d0edc83ea 18:50:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3476-gf1c13b0: Improve some branch descriptions 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f1c13b080052 18:50:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3477-g84cf0c1: Fix some command descriptions 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=84cf0c1edbef 18:50:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3478-ga85b803: Tweak some species descriptions 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a85b8033167b 18:52:12 simmarine: Keanan: you should report those things on mantis! 18:52:50 i thought the fiery destruction one might already be there since i've heard it mentioned before but it appears not to be 18:54:19 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:55:21 Yeah, I'm just noticing it now, I will report it, I want to see if I can gather a little more info as to when it does or doesn't goof. (I like to be a helpful reporter :) 18:55:56 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:58 cool, thanks 18:56:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:56:53 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:00:26 -!- Netmonmatt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:02:44 yes i see the rod of clouds issue too 19:02:50 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:03:02 oh i forgot to officially report that rod of clouds thing 19:03:24 im doing it 19:05:07 gthe shoals prose ;_; 19:06:02 next I'll write-up some warning lines for Depths and they'll be cut down 19:06:51 All Prose Must Die 19:08:12 i had forgotten that some of that stuff even existed, turns out dat/descript has a whole bunch of stuff in it! 19:08:26 -!- Scytale has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:08:53 Where do those branch descriptions even show up in-game? 19:09:00 ?/B 19:09:00 ?/B 19:09:01 Matching terms (1028): 12_club, 41robin, :beh:, a_bit_more_experienced, abandoned_shop, abbreviations, abjuration, abomination, abysmal_rune, abyss, abyss_guide, abyss_scumming, abyssal_knight, abyssal_rune, acid_blob, acidic_bite, acidrobin, active_ballistomycete, active_ballistomycetes, akrobin, alphabetskillrobin, ambrosia, ambush, amphibious, amulet_of_cekugob, ancient_bear, angband, antialpha... 19:09:01 Matching terms (1028): 12_club, 41robin, :beh:, a_bit_more_experienced, abandoned_shop, abbreviations, abjuration, abomination, abysmal_rune, abyss, abyss_guide, abyss_scumming, abyssal_knight, abyssal_rune, acid_blob, acidic_bite, acidrobin, active_ballistomycete, active_ballistomycetes, akrobin, alphabetskillrobin, ambrosia, ambush, amphibious, amulet_of_cekugob, ancient_bear, angband, antialpha... 19:09:04 hahah 19:09:05 ... 19:09:06 haha 19:09:09 thanks sequell 19:09:09 a good regex 19:09:19 ??antialpha 19:09:19 I don't have a page labeled antialpha in my learndb. 19:09:21 hm 19:09:27 ?/antialpha 19:09:28 Matching terms (1): antialphaskillrobin 19:09:35 ??antialphaskillrobin 19:09:35 antialphaskillrobin[1/1]: Like {alphabetskillrobin} but with regular alphabetical order instead of reverse alphabetical order. 19:09:38 oh 19:09:41 that was actually really boring 19:09:41 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:38 maybe the branch descs should show up on the staircases too 19:11:06 a couple issues with rod targeting by sim 19:11:34 every time prose is removed but "A well-worn stone floor made of closely fitted granite flagstones that were hewn and set untold ages ago by long-forgotten hands." stays the description for floor for everywhere from lair and swamp to abyss and slime my heart cringes 19:11:44 i couldn't bear to start on features.txt yet! 19:11:47 maybe tomorrow 19:12:32 how's "A floor." sound 19:12:35 draconian engineers built the floors everywhere, including the floors under water when evaporated by fedhas 19:12:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:12:46 no, it should be "The floor." 19:14:05 fr: The floor player species 19:14:17 trapdoor spider player species 19:16:18 wow orcish idols are called "an idol of beogh" if you're an orc but "orcish idol" otherwise 19:16:37 sounds like something youd see in nethack 19:16:41 other races do not know of beogh 19:16:48 no coinflip() for chance of "a very ugly orcish idol"? 19:16:49 how would they join them 19:17:04 who would even hear of them outside of the dungeon 19:17:31 I like to think that all the gods are unknown outside of the dungeon; they're all creations of zot anyhow 19:17:59 then how do you start out worshipping one ???? 19:18:01 but then how do berserkers and 19:18:20 your CANON is FLAWED. en guard! 19:18:55 those guys? they were born *in* the dungeon 19:18:56 BAM 19:19:02 !!!!!! 19:19:06 script: flipped 19:19:14 whoa. 19:19:54 ??book_of_wizardry 19:19:54 book of wizardry[1/1]: Summon Elemental, Agony, Force Lance, Fireball, Haste, Invisibility 19:20:01 not up to date, dangit 19:20:33 clearly in the pause between release and the tourney people need to update the entire learndb for the tourney version 19:20:45 you have six hours 19:20:46 go! 19:21:12 !learn edit book_of_wizardry[1] s/Fireball/Spellforged Servitor/ 19:21:13 book of wizardry[1/1]: Summon Elemental, Agony, Force Lance, Spellforged Servitor, Haste, Invisibility 19:21:25 -!- WWWYZZERDD has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:22:24 wizards do not cast four out of six spells of the book of wizardry 19:22:39 heh 19:22:53 book of "wizardry" 19:22:57 fix the order of those spells 19:23:09 simmarine: you do it! 19:23:30 okay features.txt is the best file after all, i scrolled to the bottom and remembered that mu's "The open sea?" description is the greatest thing that exists in all of crawl 19:23:53 5??demonspawn name:sorcerer n_suf n_des spells:summon_elemental;agony;force_lance;spellforged_servitor;haste;invisibility 19:24:26 marvinpa: Did You Know That the description didn't actually appear in the sprint for a year or more since the sprint was first added 19:24:39 wow what a crime 19:24:40 heh 19:24:43 ...actually, wait, I never even finished that patch 19:24:45 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:24:59 so... it still doesn't? 19:25:42 it does, i can see it ingame 19:25:44 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:25:57 Well, that's good. 19:26:00 A nameless grave. The question remains: is it the grave that is nameless, or the person who lies in that grave? 19:26:09 ^ this is a really stupid question 19:26:11 i just examined that 19:26:25 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-3479-gae7c959: Mark some unrands as unholy, not evil. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 8+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae7c95981e1d 19:26:27 yes 19:26:27 like 5 minutes ago 19:26:27 the endless lava sea description even tries to explain why you can't float over it 19:26:27 sorry !!!!! 19:26:27 oh, pah, right, I was confused about the desc="open sea?" 19:26:47 I should try and find that patch of mine that properly tiles sprint III 19:26:51 haha, 'runaway convection' 19:27:15 also create a second version of the sprint that isn't so horribly behind 19:27:23 the "An open sea?" should appear for open sea squares in the abyss 19:27:30 so that people don't ask about it 19:28:14 "If you aren't sure which walls to supply, your best bet is to just keep things consistent with the original subvaults. In places where the original subvaults are themselves inconsistent, do whatever feels right at the time." 19:28:19 "#If we all wish real hard maybe the dungeon wont fall apart on us. " 19:28:32 I have to admit that mu_ is one of the finest writers crawl has had 19:28:51 -!- syllogism has quit [] 19:29:24 yes 19:29:33 also: i genuinely had no idea there was a difference between unholy and evil items 19:30:06 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:42 did we get rid of magical robes? 19:30:44 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:30:46 yeah I discovered that unpleasant fact myself only recently 19:30:47 also i'm staring at the code and i still don't know what the difference actually is 19:31:02 wasn't spellbinder evil due to being a demon whip 19:31:32 it doesn't need the flag for that i think, that's just for stuff that wouldn't otherwise be marked evil 19:31:53 ah 19:32:00 due to abilities or whatever that wouldn't be checked for otherwise (like staff of dispater hellfire etc) 19:32:05 -!- F-Glex has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:16 -!- F-Glex has quit [Client Quit] 19:32:32 -!- F-Glex has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:59 -!- F-Glex has quit [Client Quit] 19:33:38 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:34:12 There was a reason I had it flagged thus, but now I can't remember what it was. 19:34:38 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34:39 (Some weird edge case that I can't remember the details of.) 19:35:17 Grunt: did magical robes go away? I haven't found a single one in this game 19:35:32 %source makeitem.cc:1922 19:35:32 http://s-z.org/neil/git/cheibriados.git http://s-z.org/neil/git/monster-trunk.git git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git 19:35:37 !source makeitem.cc:1922 19:35:38 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc;hb=HEAD#l1922 19:35:45 Looks pretty egotistical to me. 19:36:16 And for slightly more anecdotal: h - a +2 robe of resistance (worn) 19:36:36 hrmph. I've found 64 robes and the only enchanted one was -1 cursed 19:36:42 so far the only difference i can find is that unholy and evil items are different conducts? also the evil item conduct is DID_NECROMANCY, also it doesn't matter because both of them give the same message and piety loss/penance? 19:38:26 bh: (Just for counter point I've found 68 and 2 were ego and 4 were artifact (1 was oka gift and 1 was acquired, 1 was orc shop)) 19:41:03 -!- dhjdcfb has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:41:13 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: yes, they behave exactly the same currently, but theoretically a god could care about one but not the other 19:41:28 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: might be relevant for randgods 19:42:34 ah ok 19:42:50 <|amethyst> then again, we're not all that consistent about it :/ 19:44:12 evil is necromancy, unholy is demons 19:44:24 but yeah, not very consistent or important 19:44:31 <|amethyst> except for unrands 19:45:49 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:45:57 i just did it so i could write 19:46:00 ??unholy items 19:46:00 unholy items[1/1]: asmodeus/dispater/cerebov's weapons, Hellfire, the obsidian axe, demon summoning books, demon weapons, horn of geryon. See also {evil items}. 19:46:39 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:47:51 <|amethyst> oh, spellbinder maybe needs to be evil because of necro miscasts? 19:48:33 oh wow holies that are worshippers of chaotic gods can use potentially evil/unholy items (wands of random effects! weapons of chaos!) 19:48:39 important for those xom angels in the abyss 19:48:40 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:53:04 wow, i like the "late game" in the old short blades desc 19:54:38 i think poison magic is still an offender there :( 19:55:01 Poison magic can be pretty offensive, yes. 19:55:02 <_< 19:55:03 wheals: ? 19:55:28 generally descriptions do not contain references to the game 19:55:38 -!- bh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:55:39 no, I mean, what was the old description? 19:55:48 -Short Blades have a reputation for producing rather little damage in the late 19:55:48 -game, but, on the other hand, they are the best implements for stabbing. 19:55:53 haha 19:56:00 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:18 -!- ZRN has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:56:35 -!- debo has quit [Client Quit] 20:01:17 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:18 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:07:16 fr give roxanne ledas 20:08:31 (todo give Leda's back to satyrs now that it works properly <_<) 20:10:29 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:15:13 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:17:18 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:18:57 -!- st_ has quit [] 20:20:11 -!- F-Glex has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:11 -!- F-Glex has quit [Client Quit] 20:22:44 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:31:12 fr give elephant slugs ledas 20:31:14 -!- Keanan has left ##crawl-dev 20:33:00 fr give orb spiders leda's 20:33:42 fr give elephant slugs ood 20:34:41 yes. 20:34:48 orb slug (06j) | Spd: 4 | HD: 20 | HP: 116-146 | AC/EV: 2/1 | Dam: 40 | !sil, 07vault | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 410 | Sp: o.destruction (9d17) | Sz: Big | Int: insect. 20:34:48 %??orb slug 20:34:58 hahaha what 20:35:02 arenasprint 20:35:03 (IIRC) 20:35:06 could give gastronok leda's 20:35:07 ofc 20:35:16 or rename it to gastronok's liquefaction 20:35:26 Grunt: I actually died because of Fear in shoals 20:35:33 I would support that 20:35:41 turns out fear against a summoner is kind of a Big Deal 20:35:42 the only killable named mage !!! 20:35:42 fear is such a lame effect 20:35:50 but that's maybe the only time when fear is relevant 20:35:53 (on monsters) 20:36:00 e.g. allies 20:36:00 do we know who Leda is? 20:36:07 ??ledas 20:36:07 I don't have a page labeled ledas in my learndb. Did you mean: leda, leda's. 20:36:11 ??leda 20:36:11 leda's liquefaction[1/3]: Level 4 earth/hexes spell, found in the book of the Earth. Generates a halo of "liquefied" ground around the caster. Moving on liquefied ground has a -3 player movement malus (slightly more than one item of ponderousness). Applies slow effect to monsters. Doesn't affect flying, clinging, insubstantials; cannot be cast by these. 20:36:12 maybe Leda was the Mage gastronok killed 20:36:15 ??wizards without a wizlab 20:36:16 I don't have a page labeled wizards_without_a_wizlab in my learndb. 20:36:16 ??leda[2 20:36:16 leda's liquefaction[2/3]: You will see a lot of "Your unstable footing causes you to fumble your attack." 20:36:18 ??leda[3 20:36:18 leda's liquefaction[3/3]: it's really a very similar spell to double haste 20:36:23 ?/a wizlab 20:36:23 No matches. 20:36:25 heh 20:36:32 ?/wizards 20:36:33 Matching terms (3): named_wizards, THE_WIZARDS_CASTLE, wizards_without_wizlabs; entries (8): banishment[1] | meow[1] | meph_reasons[5] | orb_of_zot[4] | splat[2] | todo_wizlabs[1] | warg[1] | zot[3] 20:36:38 ??wizards without wizlabs 20:36:39 wizards without wizlabs[1/2]: Spell namesakes: Lehudib, Leda, Lee, Alistair, Ozocubu, Borgnjor, Maxwell, Olgreb. Artifact smiths: Ukta, Doom Knight, Octopus King, The Captain, The Alchemist, Zhor, Cekugob, Botono. 20:37:22 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night] 20:37:40 !learn edit wizards_without_wizlabs[1] s/Botono/the Botono/ 20:37:40 wizards without wizlabs[1/2]: Spell namesakes: Lehudib, Leda, Lee, Alistair, Ozocubu, Borgnjor, Maxwell, Olgreb. Artifact smiths: Ukta, Doom Knight, Octopus King, The Captain, The Alchemist, Zhor, Cekugob, the Botono. 20:37:49 (cf. note in art-data.txt) 20:37:52 wait, since when 20:37:55 is Zhor a wizard?! 20:37:57 ??zhor 20:37:58 skin of zhor[1/2]: Smelly +4 animal skin with rC+++. 20:38:11 (olgreb abandoned an exploded reactor and some naga ritualists worship the horde of green deaths that burst out from it) 20:38:14 was it a serious suggestion to give gastronok leda's? I kinda like that 20:38:36 my plan for zhor is dire wizlab 20:38:53 !learn edit wizards_without_wizlabs[1] s/Zhor/Zhor (not a wizard)/ 20:38:54 wizards without wizlabs[1/2]: Spell namesakes: Lehudib, Leda, Lee, Alistair, Ozocubu, Borgnjor, Maxwell, Olgreb. Artifact smiths: Ukta, Doom Knight, Octopus King, The Captain, The Alchemist, Zhor (not a wizard), Cekugob, the Botono. 20:39:03 oh 20:39:07 dire quokka (16r) | Spd: 12 | HD: 4 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 2/12 08(spiny 3) | Dam: 7 | Res: 06magic(16) | XP: 142 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 20:39:07 %??porcupine name:dire_quokka n_rpl col:white 20:39:11 I didn't see the "Artifact smiths" 20:39:26 Artifact smiths (not wizards) 20:39:38 !learn edit wizards_without_wizlabs[1] s/Zhor (not a wizard)/Zhor/ 20:39:38 No change: regex `Zhor (not a wizard)` does not match `Spell namesakes: Lehudib, Leda, Lee, Alistair, Ozocubu, Borgnjor, Maxwell, Olgreb. Artifact smiths: Ukta, Doom Knight, Octopus King, The Captain, The Alchemist, Zhor (not a wizard), Cekugob, the Botono.` 20:39:57 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 20:40:00 !learn edit wizards_without_wizlabs[1] s/Zhor \(not a wizard\)/Zhor/ 20:40:01 wizards without wizlabs[1/2]: Spell namesakes: Lehudib, Leda, Lee, Alistair, Ozocubu, Borgnjor, Maxwell, Olgreb. Artifact smiths: Ukta, Doom Knight, Octopus King, The Captain, The Alchemist, Zhor, Cekugob, the Botono. 20:40:16 wizards_without_wizlabs[2 20:40:20 ??wizards_without_wizlabs[2 20:40:20 wizards without wizlabs[2/2]: See http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des#l2028 for a list of long-dead wizlab ideas from the devs who made the original ones. 20:40:36 -!- ketsa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.4.0/20140319032835]] 20:41:02 alistair's booze is produced in several steps and left out in long-abandoned, festering vats where confusion-inducing venomous/whatever monsters bathe in 20:41:11 god, I shudder to think of what Maxwell's wizlab would be... 20:41:24 five-headed ogres 20:41:29 maxwell has a forge staffed by angels wielding silver hammers 20:41:36 also you have -TELE the entire wizlab 20:41:58 maxwell is a spell namesake and not an artifact smith? 20:42:09 ??maxwell's silver hammer 20:42:09 maxwell's silver hammer[1/1]: Temporarily vorpalized a crushing weapon. Crushing weapons are quarterstaves, clubs, hammers, maces, flails, great maces, and giant clubs. Also a Beatles song. About as lethal. You could be casting Blade Hands instead of reading this entry. Get to it. 20:42:09 well, he should count as both 20:42:20 well, originally it was edison's 20:42:38 time for some rivalry 20:42:46 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:42:52 what happened to that nikola wizlab, anyway.... 20:43:04 all of the other spell namesakes still have their spells 20:43:27 well, there's some precedent in current wizlabs including eringya and cigotuvi 20:43:35 i notice doroklohe isn't in there 20:43:54 doroklohe uh, also has a wizlab 20:43:58 ah 20:44:05 yeah, i've never seen it either 20:44:06 haven't seen that one 20:44:16 !lm * br.enter=wizlab s=milestone 20:44:17 11412 milestones for * (br.enter=wizlab): 1250x entered Iskenderun's Mystic Tower., 1230x entered Tukima's Studio., 1227x entered Zonguldrok's Shrine., 1204x entered Wucad Mu's Monastery., 1198x entered Eringya's Formal Garden., 1187x entered Cigotuvi's Fleshworks., 1138x entered Doroklohe's Tomb., 533x entered The Roulette of Golubria., 14x entered a Wizard's Laboratory., 8x entered The Chambers ... 20:44:19 isn't that the mummy one 20:44:24 (of course, I've seen all of them by virtue of constantly editing all of them) 20:44:31 as in greater mummies 20:44:37 is golubria newer? 20:44:45 I removed the _s_ from those mummies months ago 20:44:57 and made golubria over a year? ago? 20:45:09 wheals: something I feel obliged to note: 20:45:10 only YOU can edit learndb entries. 20:45:16 !lm * br.enter=wizlab / milestone~~Hellbinder 20:45:17 1246/11412 milestones for * (br.enter=wizlab): N=1246/11412 (10.92%) 20:45:18 and by 'only you' I mean 'anyone, but specifically you can right now' 20:45:19 !lm * br.enter=wizlab / milestone~~Cloud_Mage 20:45:20 1174/11412 milestones for * (br.enter=wizlab): N=1174/11412 (10.29%) 20:45:40 !lm Grunt milestone=~Plog 20:45:40 also, somebody needs to fix the bug where none of the wizlabs show their names in the notes 20:45:41 1. [2013-12-09 04:33:02] SGrunt the Bewitcher (L16 FeCK of Xom) entered The Hall of Plog the Hellbinder on turn 56294. (Vaults:1) 20:45:44 eringya's lab is really boring iir 20:45:46 c 20:45:51 something I feel oblidged to note 20:46:04 (He killed Plog) 20:46:06 I gave it more jerks 20:46:21 I was super tempted to make the vine-covered (earth elementals) have awaken forest 20:46:34 PLOG 20:46:39 rip Plog 20:46:45 rip 20:46:47 %git be3ef0294f3d791f4 20:46:47 07evilmike02 * 0.11-a0-1050-gbe3ef02: Golubria wizlab. (HangedMan) 10(1 year, 11 months ago, 2 files, 215+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=be3ef0294f3d 20:46:52 how have I been here so long 20:46:53 (rip Plog the pandemonium lord) 20:47:05 were the rest of them added at the same time? 20:47:23 oh, Grunt 20:47:23 the rest of them were developed in a branch up to some point 20:47:27 !lg * ktype=~thrown 20:47:29 2. Nordon the Severer (L18 GrFi of Makhleb), thrown by an octopode crusher on Depths:1 on 2014-03-22 20:04:54, with 208057 points after 38657 turns and 1:48:28. 20:47:32 second one! 20:47:36 ah, ok 20:47:42 sounds like there's room for more! 20:47:55 yeah <3 more wizlabs (if they're good) 20:47:58 no there isn't almost anything else needs attention before wizlabs blarghle blarghle blarghle 20:48:08 (like a bailey-depth demon pit) 20:48:31 but I don't *want* to make a bailey! 20:48:36 I still really like the demon pit idea 20:48:40 -depth demon pit 20:49:01 is demon pit a new portal type? 20:49:07 that's the idea I think 20:49:22 yes, the idea is to use 4s at a time when they can actually exist 20:49:28 ug 20:49:54 I'd be willing to help with that, if there's anything I could do - I guess testing, making vaults...? 20:49:57 u, ugly thing, g, boggart: monsters I'd rather use than a 4 20:49:57 so people might actually realize that hellwings have spells? 20:50:22 red devil, blue devil, and orange demon have decent gimmicks! 20:50:35 at least, for bailey depth 20:50:35 ....well...they can open doors...I guess 20:50:38 tenofswords: make sure to confuse everyone by making the 4s the first monster in the des so that people who look at it see a mass of 1s 20:51:01 that is literally every vault ever 20:51:07 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9ff493d7b8097289d065c359b9d141a8f725bd9 20:51:22 wow, miasma knights 20:51:33 ...wow. 20:51:41 that was a while ago. 20:51:49 ...oddly bright stone wall 20:51:53 special floor! 20:52:02 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 20:52:04 # * screaming slaves being drained of life force 20:52:09 (when can we bring back Ozocubu's Refrigerator0 20:52:10 "warm, beating dark heart" 20:52:10 "Opaque rather than transparent" <3 20:52:14 (maybe after we get yetis in <_<) 20:52:45 You see here an oddly bright, opaque rather than transparent stone wall. 20:53:11 Grunt: what's the current Yeti spec 20:53:14 opaque glass wall 20:53:25 Something similar to this, plus resistances: 20:53:32 I think they might have meant 'translucent rather than transparent'? 20:53:37 that's such a hair-splitting difference, though 20:53:46 PleasingFungus: don't mess with perfection! 20:53:49 yeti (02C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 48-84 | AC/EV: 3/4 | Dam: 30 | 10items, 10doors, !sil | Res: 06magic(48), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 775 | Sp: throw icicle (3d21), flash freeze (3d20), 04esc:berserker rage | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 20:53:49 %??hill giant col:blue name:yeti n_rpl n_des hd:12 spells:throw_icicle;flash_freeze;.;.;.;berserker_rage 20:53:54 (AF_COLD attack too) 20:53:58 (muhahahaha) 20:54:01 I would never mess with the perfection of: a wizlab removed four years ago 20:54:09 which one of them 20:54:10 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:54:15 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:54:21 wow, dramatic exit, wheals 20:54:23 ...he left before I could reply! 20:54:27 rip 20:54:27 rip 20:54:32 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/wizlab.des;h=9a7c9e4807cc288d62a00509e25b3931df967a69;hb=6f1c1d411eafdf99552c1de588fae951dfcee467#l972 20:54:35 I laugh every time sequell does that 20:54:50 A voice screams, "Out, out out!" 20:54:52 Grunt: for Yetis, what depth are you thinking of 20:55:17 flash freeze + zerk...sounds killtacular 20:55:21 Unknown spell name: 'ice storm' in 'ice_storm' 20:55:21 %??ice statue spells:ice_storm col:darkgrey name:black name_adjective 20:55:30 black ice statue (148) | Spd: 16 (07stationary) | HD: 8 | HP: 70 | AC/EV: 12/1 | 11non-living, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 12cold+++, 10elec++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 783 | Sp: glaciate (42d1) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 20:55:30 %??ice statue spells:glaciate col:darkgrey name:black name_adjective 20:55:33 I'm not sure yet; there was some speculation about having a Coc enemy with flash freeze (this motivated the design), but I think they might also be able to place in late Depths? 20:56:27 I like the huge amount of IDA you get in that vault... 20:56:55 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:56 it's the only reward in the vault besides the gold 20:57:04 haha, skeletals in ida 20:57:14 I was looking for loot drops at first 20:57:30 update for modern times, put ancient champions in IDA 20:57:43 -!- Isasaur has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:57:46 ancient champion (08z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 61-79 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Dam: 32 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(130), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2106 | Sp: b.draining (3d21), haste, stone arrow (3d21) / b.venom (3d18), animate dead, haunt / iron shot (3d26), haste, pain (d15) / mystic blast (3d19), slow, haste | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 20:57:46 %??ancient_champion 20:57:53 only rc+, after all 20:57:59 and they need *lots* of rc 20:58:02 -!- mezmerelda has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:58:05 mutated drake (06l) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 21-39 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 14 | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(16), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 134 | Sp: mephitic cloud, blink | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 20:58:05 %??swamp drake name:mutated_drake n_des n_rpl col:magenta spells:mephitic_cloud;mephitic_cloud;blink;mephitic_cloud;mephitic_cloud;blink 20:58:17 ...blink 20:58:22 of course they need rC+++ the wizlab literally just randomly refridges 20:58:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:58:50 ancient champion (08z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 61-79 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Dam: 32 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(130), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2087 | Sp: throw icicle (3d23), haste, refrigeration | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 20:58:50 %??ancient champion spells:throw_icicle;.;haste;ozocubu's_refrigeration ; great mace ego:freezing | battleaxe ego:freezing | great sword ego:freezing . ice dragon armour 20:58:53 There. 20:58:54 oh I see 20:59:09 Replace the environmental refrigeration effect with that. 20:59:10 <_< >_> 20:59:35 or make an ice margery unique that only places there 20:59:40 wow bring back miasma knights 20:59:46 she can have ida no problem 20:59:47 i hadn't seen that one before, only the ozo's one i think 20:59:53 (just don't give her that stripper uniform) 21:00:08 A voice screams, "Freeze!" 21:00:09 good 21:00:22 (and here I thought I was the first person to make that joke in Crawl) 21:00:22 1learn add marvinpa wow bring back miasma knights 21:00:23 we need quotes from Batman Forever 21:00:38 "Let's break the Ice!" 21:01:09 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:01:44 just make an ice golem with the zyme effect except instead of sickness it's englaciation 21:02:09 I'm thinking that Glaciate is a natural choice for a statue 21:04:31 tenofswords: you mentioning the demon pit makes me think of halls of the hellbinder, which is one of my least favorite wizlabs 21:04:42 mmm? 21:05:04 !send The_Halls_of_Plog_the_Hellbinder gammafunk 21:05:05 Sending gammafunk to The_Halls_of_Plog_the_Hellbinder. 21:05:05 as in, I'm imagining that said portal will be similarly boring 21:05:05 is it the banishers 21:05:21 oh, you can send people *to* things, huh 21:05:22 what's boring about hellbinder? 21:05:35 it's a pretty dangerous wizlab imo 21:05:37 I think there is much more potential for demon pit over hellbinder 21:05:39 I actually had fun in Hellbinder the last time I was there, mainly because I wasn't quite strong enough to just killdudes. 21:05:42 tenofswords: maybe it's just that the enemies are all lackluster at that depth, and the loot is (or was) bad 21:05:47 (incidentally that was the game where I killed Plog) 21:05:48 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:05:56 Plog motivates everyone 21:05:59 PLOG 21:06:03 1learn add plog 21:06:10 just make a god named plog already 21:06:20 april 1st: Trog -> Plog 21:06:22 hellbinder is okay i think, yeah 21:06:29 sequel queries be damned 21:06:32 "at least it's not wucad's" 21:06:49 I can't stand Cloud Mage, but that's because: 21:06:56 !lm . br.enter=wizlab / milestone~~Cloud 21:06:57 5/13 milestones for Grunt (br.enter=wizlab): N=5/13 (38.46%) 21:07:07 -!- tabstorm has quit [Client Quit] 21:07:08 (something is *really* off there >:( ) 21:07:10 all of these things I've dabbled in improving in, being stabbed at 21:07:10 !lm . br.enter=wizlab s=milestone 21:07:11 4 milestones for gammafunk (br.enter=wizlab): entered The Chambers of Stryfiz the Cloud Mage., entered The Hall of Moguori the Hellbinder., entered The Roulette of Golubria., entered The Chambers of Phurapov the Cloud Mage. 21:07:25 wow, that few 21:07:32 what does "zombie_size" actually do? 21:07:35 there was a good chunk of time where wizlabs didn't really generate, right? 21:07:35 !lm . br.enter=wizlab / milestone~~Hellbinder 21:07:36 2/13 milestones for Grunt (br.enter=wizlab): N=2/13 (15.38%) 21:07:37 maybe wucad's is less bad now, i haven't done it since the stabbing, ocs boss is still a thing though right? 21:07:46 and that is the main problem! 21:07:47 they seemed mythical to me for a long time 21:07:49 it's still a thing :( 21:08:02 boss of do you have /disint 21:08:13 well, it was agreed to make disint not absolutely perfect for ocs/silver wasn't it 21:08:17 except that got changed somehow 21:08:18 that would help a lot! 21:08:29 mm i wrote a patch for that like a million years ago 21:08:36 i should write it again i guess 21:08:59 why are ocs/silver statues desirable monsters? i love being able to disintegrate them 21:09:00 what was the agreement? just have it do damage 21:09:21 do damage without any checks, I believe, while making them not horribly high in health 21:09:22 !send MarvinPA a million years 21:09:22 Sending a million years to MarvinPA. 21:09:39 marvinpa will need those million years so that 0.15 starts :P 21:09:46 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:50 Outside, the world ends. Your quest to make the patch now seems rather pointles. You quit... 21:09:55 i'm not really sure if even that would change much in ocs's case, though 21:10:00 wheals: The Nikiola wiz lab is currently rotting on Mantis. 21:10:14 !seen wheals 21:10:14 I last saw wheals at Mon Mar 24 01:54:10 2014 UTC (16m 4s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving'. 21:10:33 I'm not sure we can evel allow a wizlab for an existing unique 21:10:37 !tell wheals The Nikiola wiz lab is currently rotting on Mantis. 21:10:37 reaverb: OK, I'll let wheals know. 21:10:37 since it's not like you will want to spend turns going up to it and hitting it, you'd just have to zap it a couple of times and maybe get confused and annoyed in the process 21:10:39 that breaks every convention 21:10:53 gammafunk: Yeah, that was part of the issue IIRC (not looking it up know) 21:11:00 well at least it'd exist then? 21:11:17 nearly every OCS use needs to be not just placing an OCS, though 21:11:33 Could always make a vague referance to a mentor in Nikola's description and change the wiz lab to the mentor. 21:11:34 right, most cases you would just walk away and not kill it :P 21:11:36 (clearly put them all in iron grate boxes and accompany them with eldritch tentacles) 21:12:11 that sounds like a good technique for any given monster 21:12:14 as my comment on that mantis ticket notes, I'm not fond of the wizlab mostly due to the ball lightning being dumb 21:12:27 elephant slugs in boxes with eldritch tentacles 21:12:31 it can probably use raijus and non-useless vapours and shock serpents now though!!! 21:13:12 well, we do have cloud mage already... 21:13:14 i guess a vague thing is that cloud mage wizlab is already elec-ish 21:13:34 ((also, silver statue with tentacles in grates box)) 21:13:45 although they could just both have lower weight if they would be sufficiently distinct 21:14:22 doroklohe shares undead and demons with hellbinder and zonguldrok's 21:14:55 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:14:59 (and would share earth with the three other earth mages that will never get wizlabs) 21:15:26 right, it was mainly the vapour comment that made it come to mind since cloud mage has those 21:15:45 probably they could have distinct monster sets 21:16:18 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:16:23 "hyper-buff insubstantial wisps like rakshasas and then replace the cloud mage vapours with more of those" 21:17:35 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:17:43 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:18:10 i had a rakshasa duplicate an iron dragon twice in my last game, that was kinda cute (then it died and they died, need more summoners that are hard to kill) 21:18:33 !send MarvinPA 2 Boris 21:18:33 Sending 2 Boris to MarvinPA. 21:18:36 rakshasas make themselves hard to kill! 21:18:41 by duplicating themselves! 21:18:48 this one didn't manage to :( 21:18:50 Oh, on that note: 21:19:00 !source mon-info.cc:1327 21:19:00 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-info.cc;hb=HEAD#l1327 21:19:09 This might need to be changed. <_< 21:21:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 21:22:30 "need more summoners that are hard to kill" 21:22:53 seems like this just encourages the tendency to reboot the fight that i presume on-death abjuration was trying to eliminate in the first place 21:23:25 going to reboot fighters with dispater 21:23:38 also rebooting fights with ereshkigal 21:24:02 i don't understand the point that you're trying to make 21:24:25 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:24:36 At a guess, 21:24:38 Dispater (06&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 450 | AC/EV: 40/3 | Dam: 50 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9455 | Sp: sum.greater demon, crystal spear (3d35), iron shot (3d29), hellfire (3d20) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 21:24:38 %??dispater 21:24:41 Ereshkigal (16&) | Spd: 14 | HD: 18 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/30 | Dam: 4013(drain) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 12959 | Sp: b.cold (3d27), silence, sum.greater demon, s.torment, paralyse, 04esc:major healing | Sz: Large | Int: high. 21:24:41 %??ereshkigal 21:24:49 "Sp: [...] sum.greater demon" 21:25:02 Asmodeus (13&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 17 | HP: 450 | AC/EV: 30/7 | Dam: 50 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: b.fire (3d26), hellfire (3d20), fire summon | Sz: Large | Int: high. 21:25:02 %??asmodeus 21:25:07 fire summon!! 21:25:17 Cerebov (05&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 650 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Dam: 60 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: fire storm (8d16), iron shot (3d36), haste, sum.greater demon / fire storm (8d17), iron shot (3d36), haste, sum.greater demon | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 21:25:17 %??cerebov 21:25:27 Mnoleg (09&) | Spd: 13 | HD: 17 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/25 | Dam: 3509(mutation), 2306(blink self) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 10820 | Sp: sum.eyeballs, smiting (7-17), malign gateway, sum.horrible things | Sz: Large | Int: high. 21:25:27 %??mnoleg 21:25:37 (I don't know if Mnoleg really qualifies as "difficult to kill") 21:25:41 heh 21:26:17 He's be tought for me earlier than d:10, but I bet my ice beasts could take him 21:26:18 Is the wand of exploit weakness actually staying? 21:26:28 in mantis? yes 21:26:41 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:42 s??famous last words[summon ice beast 21:26:43 famous_last_words[15/27]: summon ice beast is so damn good i'll kill cerebov with it to prove that Elynae the Summoner (L11 HuSu), worshipper of Ashenzari, killed by miscasting Summon Ice Beast on Lair:1, with 7605 points after 18288 turns and 1:21:04. 21:27:05 He was not worthy of the beasts. rip 21:27:13 !fight cerebov v 99 ice beast, 99 ice beast delay:100 t:3 21:27:34 -!- ssheafer is now known as brainwrinkle 21:28:25 but, yeah, i don't really get how invoking uniques that are rarely encountered and don't need to be killed is much of a rebuttal, was my larger point 21:28:32 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 21:28:40 !fight mnoleg v 99 ice beast, 99 ice beast delay:100 t:3 21:29:14 imo liches are pretty durable 21:29:52 It just feels like an April Fools joke. 21:30:09 -!- Pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:53 the beasts one one vs. Mnoleg 21:30:59 s/one/won/ 21:31:30 !fight gloorx vloq v 99 ice beast, 99 ice beast delay:10 t:3 21:31:47 wow 21:32:21 ice beast 2 gud 21:32:51 ... 21:34:40 this antaeus matchup is kind of dumb 21:34:53 wow 21:34:54 rip dispater 21:35:02 x2 21:35:02 !!!! 21:35:10 hail ice beast 21:35:15 x198 21:35:29 !fight the royal jelly v 99 ice beast, 99 ice beast delay:10 t:3 21:35:51 (how to defeat TRJ: out-spam it) 21:36:21 wish it would show the hp of the single opponent 21:36:25 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:50 ...wow 21:37:15 tormentors are pretty good against 100+ ice beasts, I think 21:37:24 ice beast (16I) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 17-38 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 512(cold:5-14) | amphibious | Res: 06magic(20), 12cold+++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 130 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 21:37:24 %??ice beast 21:37:29 mm 21:37:38 player ice beast is better now anyway 21:38:21 ice beast (16I) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 43-76 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 512(cold:11-32) | amphibious | Res: 06magic(44), 12cold+++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 809 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 21:38:21 %??ice beast hd:11 21:38:39 elemental damage scales with HD? 21:38:51 Yes. 21:39:01 Ice Fiend (161) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 76-121 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 2512(cold:18-53), 2512(cold:18-53) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 2892 | Sp: b.cold (3d27), s.torment | Sz: Large | Int: high. 21:39:01 %??ice fiend 21:39:06 wolf spider (16s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 11 | HP: 41-69 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 25, 1508(poison:22-44) | web sense | Res: 06magic(29) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 567 | Sz: Medium | Int: insect. 21:39:06 %??wolf spider 21:39:14 wolf spider (16s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 20 | HP: 78-119 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 25, 1508(poison:40-80) | web sense | Res: 06magic(53) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 1485 | Sz: Medium | Int: insect. 21:39:14 %??wolf spider hd:20 21:39:17 interesting 21:39:42 (todo check if those numbers were updated) 21:39:52 ...they weren't. 21:39:52 scourge (04S) | Spd: 12 (swim: 40%) | HD: 30 | HP: 500 | AC/EV: 2/15 | Dam: 2404(strong poison:105-165) | amphibious, cold-blooded, !sil, 07vault | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 14440 | Sp: poison arrow (3d37), b.venom (3d33), poisonous cloud (3d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: reptile. 21:39:52 %??scourge 21:39:59 I guess |amethyst missed the monster patch? 21:40:01 <|amethyst> Grunt: hm 21:40:06 I wonder if st_ approves of that buff 21:40:27 <|amethyst> Grunt: "Use updated deterministic poison damage numbers."? 21:40:33 |amethyst: That's the one, yes. 21:41:11 wolf spider (16s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 11 | HP: 41-69 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 25, 1508(poison:22-44) | web sense | Res: 06magic(29) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 567 | Sz: Medium | Int: insect. 21:41:11 <|amethyst> %??wolf spider 21:42:06 <|amethyst> those look like the updated numbers 21:42:12 <|amethyst> - colour(YELLOW, damage_flavour("poison", mon.hit_dice*2 + 1, 21:42:12 <|amethyst> - mon.hit_dice*3 + 4)); 21:42:12 <|amethyst> + colour(YELLOW, damage_flavour("poison", mon.hit_dice*2, 21:42:12 <|amethyst> + mon.hit_dice*4)); 21:42:19 hm 21:42:36 Did you move the git while I wasn't looking? >_> 21:42:51 <|amethyst> oh, I didn't push it yet 21:42:59 <|amethyst> there 21:43:01 * Grunt pushes |amethyst. 21:43:09 Hooray. 21:43:26 clearly the nikola wizlab will be remade as an edison wizlab 21:43:36 he stole the plans for the egolems 21:43:55 then somehow made armour with them (?) 21:44:00 (only if we can rename Maxwell's back to Edison's) 21:44:06 <_< 21:46:03 what about LCS, for that matter? 21:46:21 (it can have crystal guardians now...) 21:46:37 but it can't have agate snails 21:46:39 -!- Dai_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:46:58 will it have a crystal bone dragon with freezing cloud and throw flame, though 21:47:40 it also can't have the unrandart i guess 21:47:56 need to have an unrand base-renamed javelin 21:48:36 butbutbutbutbutbutbut you can't have a non-spear be called a spear!!!!! 21:48:44 besides reivisions for modernity, is there any particular block for it getting in? 21:49:40 nikola's, you mean? 21:50:08 the ball lightnings will place themselves behind the generator-grate-obelisk-things, which interrupts resting and whatever 21:50:47 i was thinking of lcs 21:51:00 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:05 ...the wizlab? 21:51:27 yeah 21:52:25 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 21:52:49 I would not undervalue the modernization involved in this particular one (petrification traps?...) but it doesn't seem implausible 21:53:41 maybe replace the agate snails with diamond obelisks 21:53:58 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:18 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:27 -!- reaverb1 has quit [Client Quit] 21:56:58 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:57:16 * Grunt discovers that Bullseye was a buckler in ancient times. 21:57:37 %git 51236f4e 21:57:37 07jpeg02 * 0.4-a0-1898-g51236f4: Numerous modifications to unrandarts, as suggested by Lemuel and Markus Maier in FR 1945156. 10(6 years ago, 1 file, 37+ 40-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=51236f4eb5ea 21:57:43 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:57:59 it makes sense 21:58:01 thematically 21:58:11 that explains why people complained about it being changed from a buckler to a large shield when it was changed from a shield to a large shield 21:59:06 bullseye should be reflection branded 21:59:14 Hehe 21:59:22 rip bullseye 21:59:33 slain by fun-hating devs 21:59:37 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:00:05 changed to a gong 22:00:14 It should be the 100% reflection version (Like leech is the 100% vampiric) 22:01:09 and punk was +3, +4, wow 22:01:10 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:01:41 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 22:01:42 jihad was +4 22:02:06 tbf, that would have been before the slaying nerf 22:02:07 no? 22:02:20 i think enchant always worked as it did now? 22:02:30 See also: http://sourceforge.net/p/crawl-ref/feature-requests/1348/ 22:02:31 just that slaying wasn't enchant pre-nerf 22:02:44 also, plut sword was a long sword 22:02:57 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 22:03:07 i guess Serpent-Scourge was Snakebite 22:03:13 Yes. 22:03:16 oh hey, amulet of the air 22:03:21 wheals: 22:03:24 %git f2b2a6f 22:03:27 07dolorous02 * 0.8.0-a0-1730-gf2b2a6f: Rename "Serpent-Scourge" to "Snakebite". 10(3 years, 6 months ago, 6 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2b2a6fe97a9 22:03:41 wait, did wyrmbane not originally have its gimmick? 22:03:58 %git 8897125 22:03:59 07kilobyte02 * 0.9-a1-221-g8897125: Boost Wyrmbane whenever it kills a dragon-like. 10(2 years, 10 months ago, 1 file, 33+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8897125341be 22:04:10 huh. neat 22:04:37 maybe i should add axe of minos 22:04:49 <|amethyst> labrys 22:04:50 (only if Asterion gets it on a 1/100 chance) 22:05:18 I appreciate that its colour was specified 22:05:25 alone among the items 22:05:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:05:31 it must be cyan !!! 22:05:52 i guess the colour of metal 22:05:59 were labs still all-metal at the time 22:06:02 idk about those slays but the basic idea is decent 22:06:25 it could be holy, too 22:06:31 the broad axe "qtip" 22:07:25 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:07:50 honestly I'm not so fond of fixedarts that are just 'good' 22:08:07 as opposed to ones that have interesting drawbacks 22:08:20 those are harder to balance, though, I guess 22:08:44 i'm not really a fan of things like prune where it's boring but good 22:09:26 that was a bit of what i tried to do with my unrand patch 22:10:43 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 22:17:49 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:10 hm. getting a weird bug. 22:22:17 with the code that I'm writing 22:22:36 A chaos bug comes into view. 22:23:32 when I add the enum for the new monster I'm adding into enum.h's monster_type, if I add it inside a "if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION > 34" block, I get errors wherever it's used claiming that it's undefined. 22:23:47 if I add it outside one of those blocks, the code compiles and works, but of course that breaks save compat. 22:23:56 Here's what you want to do: 22:24:24 add an instance inside a > 34 block (somewhere close to monsters that are similar to it), and put one at the end in the last == 34 block just before NUM_MONSTERS. 22:25:33 ohhh. 22:25:33 like, below the comment reading 'add new monsters here'? 22:25:33 :) 22:25:33 Yes. 22:25:33 <|amethyst> maybe that comment should be a bit lower 22:25:38 <|amethyst> since adding new monsters *right* there would be bad 22:25:41 haha 22:25:45 well, I wouldn't have spotted it anyway 22:25:56 since I wasn't looking there 22:26:33 PleasingFungus: think of the #ifs with > 34 as "where this will go in the future and #ifs with == 34 as "where we have to put this (at the end) for now" 22:26:49 s/future/future"/ 22:26:53 yeah, that makes more sense. I didn't really understand it before, I was just mimicking what was already there 22:27:06 !send PleasingFungus code mimics 22:27:06 Sending code mimics to PleasingFungus. 22:27:08 except I only mimicked half of it 22:27:17 * PleasingFungus is devoured by an inept code mimic! 22:27:18 The code is a mimic! 22:27:26 The ravenous code mimic constricts you!!!! 22:28:19 rip 22:28:26 okay now it compiles. thank you very much! 22:31:32 I still say we need a #define SAVE_COMPAT_*release name keyword* 34 22:31:42 and use that instead of 34 everywhere 22:31:58 and just use a new name with the release that breaks compat 22:32:39 I guess 34 has the benefit of being very short 22:33:17 it would be nice if when you succeeded to breathe fire but then cancelled it, trying to breathe fire again on the same turn wouldn't fail 22:33:37 can this be easily copied from the code for casting spells? 22:34:07 doesn't the miscast occur after the action is finalized 22:34:10 (and hence no you couldn't) 22:34:16 or are there exceptions to that somehow 22:34:24 yes, the miscast occurs after the action is finalized 22:34:30 but it used to not occur after the action was finalized 22:34:49 so i thought maybe whatever code was used to fix that, could be used to fix the same problem that 'a'bilities have, where they fail before targeting etc 22:35:24 hrm, yeah I don't see any big technical reason for why not 22:35:27 (I recall that fixing it for spells was a fairly big refactoring, I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise) 22:35:33 for spellcasting it was a whole bunch of refactoring, i imagine it'd be possible for abilities but probably a bunch of work, yeah 22:35:45 don't know if there are any abilities that would be weird exception cases some how 22:36:21 there are just *too many* spells and abilities 22:36:32 we need: one spell and one ability in crawl, that's it 22:36:33 hm, well there is stuff like nemelex triple draw/stack five, those open a menu instead of giving a targeter 22:36:45 oh but I guess you can't cancel those anyway haha 22:36:47 never mind 22:36:49 yeah, and uncancelable menus, even 22:37:00 not even sighupable 22:37:15 ash reskilling maybe? 22:37:46 god, the bad attack thing with abilities alone is such a pain to try to fix 22:38:10 ash reskilling has a fail chance? 22:38:41 (I thought that was removed?) 22:40:08 sounds like prime material for a bug report that will go unresolved for a very long time 22:40:43 I'd add fixing those weird ability issues to my todo but I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror because of that lie 22:40:55 alternate fix: give all abilities a 0% fail chance 22:40:56 !send gammafunk bugs 22:40:56 Sending bugs to gammafunk. 22:41:11 yeah, I think quite a few could stand to have no fail rate, at least 22:42:23 fail chance on breath attacks is weird to me 22:42:26 'you fail to breathe' 22:42:47 heh, sif's "forget spell" has a fail rate, great 22:42:51 just be glad that can't kill you any more 22:42:56 In case you try to forget a spell in battle! 22:43:07 does zin's remove all mutations have one 22:43:35 gammafunk: gotta get that 4 MP from forgetting fire storm 22:43:45 fr: failure on breath attacks causes curare-type asphyxiation damage + slow 22:43:49 wheals: seems not 22:44:23 I think I have memorized spells in battle, and probably even have forgot them as well, so glad someone was thinking of me 22:45:55 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:45:55 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 22:45:55 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:35 ??gladiator 22:47:36 gladiator[1/1]: Starts with: weapon, leather, helmet, nets. 22:47:48 that's a great minimalist entry 22:47:51 ??fighter 22:47:51 fighter[1/2]: Growing up, this fellow spent all his time on the training field, not in the magic library. Generally starts with: light weapon, scale mail, shield, str. 22:56:20 man. mushroom form is really funny 22:56:47 it's a good effect 22:57:03 !lg * pan status~~fungus -tv 22:57:04 1. melllvar, XL27 HEAE, T:138074 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 22:57:16 !lg * pan status~~fungus -tv:cancel 22:57:17 1. melllvar, XL27 HEAE, T:138074 cancel requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 22:57:18 !lg * pan status~~fungus -tv:<2.0 22:57:18 1. melllvar, XL27 HEAE, T:138074 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 22:57:25 (this is one of my favorite TVs) 22:58:25 ahaha that miscast 22:58:40 You should see the reddit thread that went with it (if I can find it again) 22:59:25 wow, fungus can't wand? 22:59:30 that seems kind of silly 22:59:39 they hit things with a confusing touch! 22:59:47 the confusing touch is spores 22:59:53 it's a metaphor 22:59:56 do they like bash their poisonous head into things 23:00:00 yeah 23:00:16 idk I think letting fungi use wands might be fine, it's not like they're not fucked enough in every other way 23:00:22 but it's funny, so 23:00:47 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 23:01:18 ??tree_form 23:01:18 tree form[1/1]: Immobile form with -Tele, no hunger, no potion or food usage, +50% HP, 20 + XL/2 AC, minimal EV, rN+++ rPois rTorm. Also gave slow acting in 0.13: (5 - XL/5)*10% delay. Used to give rF- as well, also removed. 23:01:37 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:01:53 so how do you read scrolls in fungus form with no mouth 23:02:03 also can we remove fungus form instead of making it unable to read scrolls 23:02:15 no it's cool !!! 23:02:18 not biased 23:02:21 we do already have tree form 23:02:34 not sure if fungus form is really all that different 23:02:51 turns out forms that can't do anything and last for ages are sort of like paralysis except they last for ages 23:03:01 also remove porcupine form if we haven't already 23:03:07 what about marked form 23:03:09 I never got that one, since we have hog form 23:03:33 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 23:03:34 wisp form 23:04:15 with tree form someone tried to think of reasonable tradeoffs 23:04:20 ??fungus_form 23:04:20 fungus form[1/1]: A bad form. You become a wandering mushroom! Permanent confusing touch, can't move with enemies in LOS, rPois, rN+++. Can't cast spells, eat, drink, wield or evoke wands. 23:04:23 turns out tree form can read scrolls with no mouth too 23:04:33 can they tt? 23:04:38 not apropos: what's a good way to test new monsters? I guess I could wizmode up chars which seem like they're in the right general ballpark of strength for the area (spider), but idk if I have a good intuition for what skills/equipment various types of chars would have there... 23:04:46 no, they have no mouth 23:04:59 just give the tree a mouth, I say 23:05:11 I mean in the hobbit trees could talk 23:05:29 wisp is the only form that can't read 23:06:17 I understand the "cycle bad forms through the things we'll prevent you from doing" logic, but we don't need that many if they don't have meaningful gameplay ramifications 23:06:58 difference between fungus and trees: fungus can move, sometimes, in theory. tree can use weapons and wands. 23:07:10 oh. fungus gets confusing spore attack 23:07:14 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: hurl burger] 23:07:15 idk I think I changed my mind :( 23:07:28 (Don't forget to try shoutitis with forms that have no mouth...) 23:07:42 You must scream, but have no mouth! 23:07:45 or something like that 23:07:54 You have no mouth, and you must scream! 23:08:07 !send Grunt permutations 23:08:07 Sending permutations to Grunt. 23:08:18 Mushroom form is semi-good if you are of Fedhas. 23:09:10 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:09:15 -!- iasov has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:11:53 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:12:30 <|amethyst> how does mushroom form interact with fedhas? 23:12:46 Not at all, I'd imagine. 23:12:49 fr: ctrl-f ego && good_item 23:12:56 It used to at least. 23:13:07 you don't lose extra piety on death? ought to 23:13:18 relevant for fe of fedhas 23:13:31 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:43 Yea it doesn't anymore. 23:14:33 Being of Fedhas used to negate the rF- and the inability to use wands. It's actually still good regardless... 23:15:39 Fedhas Tree Form used to get a larger bonus (also removed in Trunk though): rF+, rC+. 23:18:15 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: OUCH!!!] 23:26:05 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:28:11 -!- ac13 has quit [Client Quit] 23:30:38 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:31:38 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:32:38 -!- NomadJim has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:33:20 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:07 ...branches have 'ambient noise' levels? 23:35:19 and it's... actually used. 23:37:05 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:37:56 the effect being that stealth is slightly harder on tomb (and noise travels slightly farther), but silence has slightly less of a penalty to stealth 23:37:58 that's 23:38:00 something. 23:38:23 it was an important feature of hive that you could stand next to a bee and shout repeatedly without it noticing you 23:38:37 0.15: year of the return of the hive 23:38:43 also yeah it's sort of a thing in crypt/tomb 23:39:22 PleasingFungus It's mostly not used...most branches and all the portals have no noise used...it's only the mines and the tomb that have them... 23:39:47 not true, technically 23:39:50 I like the idea of a library portal...that's like a huge 'stay silent' challenge that drops a lot of books. 23:39:53 but the numbers are so small it might as well be 23:40:15 seems like that portal would be a waste of time for a lot of characters 23:40:27 one can only hope it's as fun as ADOM's library 23:40:40 it's quite noticeable in tomb that the background noise is lower 23:40:59 * Bcadren_ thinks either Artificer should be made a rod start again OR a Rod Start should be added with some weaker rod... 23:41:32 looking at the code, yeah, sorry, I'm wrong - it does have an effect on noise from spells/shouting/etc 23:41:40 but the effect on stealth is still very small 23:41:49 I'm still waiting for the Thieves Den portal 23:41:58 with the mercenary shop at the end 23:42:09 * Grunt catches johnstein completely off-guard. Grunt carves johnstein like a ham!!! 23:42:25 I like the idea of gods having portals, like Sif's Library. 23:42:33 johnstein was stabbed in a vulnerable spot! 23:42:40 !send wheals it 23:42:41 Sending it to wheals. 23:42:48 -20 stealth in tomb, and that's the biggest absolute ambient noise value there is. +8 stealth in lair from ambient noise 23:42:52 -6 stealth in crypt 23:42:54 wow !!! 23:43:18 the effect on noise is neat (though it'd be nice if this was communicated to the player somehow) 23:43:27 but the effect on stealth really doesn't exist 23:43:41 PleasingFungus: one of the biggest issues when you design a vault is noise; you have to use double-walls to cancel it out appropriately if you don't want all enemies mobbing the player 23:44:03 !send gammafunk mobs 23:44:03 Sending mobs to gammafunk. 23:44:16 a single wall reduces it a lot, but two eliminate it (I think completely) 23:44:25 I didn't realize how much effect noise has 23:44:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3480-g38b53f5: Allow all forms to speak 10(26 minutes ago, 4 files, 2+ 19-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=38b53f5094d7 23:44:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3481-g7d9f734: More skill description tweaks 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7d9f73436dd1 23:44:44 !send gammafunk GONNNNG 23:44:44 Sending GONNNNG to gammafunk. 23:44:44 I knew if you made noise, monsters could find you 23:44:48 !send Grunt Contam 23:44:49 Sending Contam to Grunt. 23:45:10 -!- wat is now known as Furril 23:45:10 !send gammafunk the +12,+16 plutonium sword {Contam Stlth--}, blade-first 23:45:10 Sending the +12,+16 plutonium sword {Contam Stlth--}, blade-first to gammafunk. 23:45:35 MarvinPA: rip secret message 23:45:41 clearly there should be vault-specific ambient noise 23:45:52 !learn add rare_messages You have no mouth, and you must scream! 23:45:53 * gammafunk pivots. The +12, +16 plutonium sword {Contam Stlth--} is sheathed! 23:45:53 rare messages[6/6]: You have no mouth, and you must scream! 23:45:59 wheals: rip 23:46:21 ruined by someonepa 23:46:26 fr: mouth form; you are just a mouth 23:46:28 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:46:40 brainform 23:46:49 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 23:47:06 Grunt: there are some good new ones 23:47:12 ?/ambient 23:47:12 Matching entries (1): mephitic_cloud[6]: IT REACTS WITH THE AMBIENT RADIATION FROM THE ORB OF ZOT TO CREATE A UNEARTHLY CACOPHONY RESULTING IN NAUSEA AND HALLUCINATIONS. 23:47:21 ambient noise is so important it's listed literally nowhere in learndb 23:47:22 wow 23:47:30 MarvinPA: such as? 23:47:34 You whoosh for attention! 23:47:37 <3 23:47:39 -!- NomadJim_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:41 where did that meph entry come frome 23:47:50 probably tavern 23:48:07 !learn del mephitic_cloud[6] 23:48:07 Deleted mephitic cloud[6/7]: IT REACTS WITH THE AMBIENT RADIATION FROM THE ORB OF ZOT TO CREATE A UNEARTHLY CACOPHONY RESULTING IN NAUSEA AND HALLUCINATIONS. 23:48:12 reason: it came from tavern 23:48:18 IT CAME FROM THE TAVERN 23:48:23 (bad horror novel name) 23:48:30 (of course, double walls won't completely block e.g. repeated lightning, which is where vault terrain hooks and connectivity differences and whatever still has to happen, but it says a bunch in and of itself) 23:48:40 ?/cacophony 23:48:41 No matches. 23:48:42 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:48:44 Ashenzari warns you: It is from tavern! 23:48:52 ??zot 23:48:52 zot[1/5]: The final area of the game, although not necessarily the very last realm any player ever goes to. Filled with draconians, dragons, and all sorts of nasty types out to obliterate you. Found on Depths:5, and you can only unlock it with with 3 or more runes (found in dungeon branches). Five levels deep. 23:48:58 Ashenzari warns you: It is writing a GDD thread. 23:49:05 ?/ is my favorite sequell command 23:49:06 No matches. 23:49:18 also, crypt's ambientwhatever used to be much worse before the overhaul 23:49:22 man I *wish* ash would warn me about that 23:49:34 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:41 however, badwiki does have (bad, incorrect) information about ambient noise. 23:49:42 bless. 23:49:52 ?/noise 23:49:52 Matching terms (10): distant_slurping_noise, grinding_noise, loud_clanging_noise, noise, projected_noise, scroll_of_noise, slurping_noise, squelching_noise, you_hear_a_grinding_noise, you_hear_a_slurping_noise; entries (45): alarm_trap[1] | bad_vaults[2] | boring_beetle[1] | boring_beetle[2] | chaos_brand[4] | chapayev[7] | distant_slurping_noise[1] | elemental_staff[2] | elliptic_commits[1] | exp... 23:49:57 oops 23:50:03 confession: I have wiki editing rights now and have been making corrections 23:50:25 well more 0.14 updates, but some corrections 23:50:26 gammafunk: so you won't have those rights for much longer? <_< 23:50:28 -!- nrook has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:50:38 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 23:50:40 http://crawl.chaosforge.org/index.php?title=Noise#Ambient_noise the formula at the top is, as far as I can tell, made up from whole cloth 23:50:50 Why are Wizards so extreme!? (only background with [-1] in one attribute). 23:50:51 Grunt: are you insulting me or the wiki? 23:50:58 The latter. 23:51:03 berserker gets -1 int 23:51:08 wizards are extreme & also radical 23:51:10 to the max 23:51:11 in all fairness, it's better than it used to be! 23:51:21 (Beware the food cost) 23:51:23 you know what's extreme 23:51:29 orb guardians are X-treme 23:51:48 orb guardians should eat corpses 23:52:05 oh i was going to say in general commanderc is one of the people on the wiki who gets stuff right and understands lots of formulae 23:52:08 actual noise formula is https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/source/7d9f73436dd1bc7f289d279da19cb47328538e11:crawl-ref/source/shout.cc#L488 23:52:12 make up for the tentacle loss 23:52:13 but i guess it wasn't added by him after all 23:52:40 if only the learndb wasn't also full of nonsense 23:52:45 idk maybe it's a rephrasing. tbh I have no idea what 'sgn' would be 23:52:51 or '3d' 23:53:23 sgn is the sign function 23:53:58 o 23:54:04 maybe that's right then 23:54:25 3d sounds like a die number 23:54:28 also their value for lair's ambient noise is off by one, which is presumably a typo, and also hilariously irrelevant 23:55:00 hm. maybe that's what random2avg(abs(ambient), 3) does 23:55:09 PleasingFungus: yeah, NdM is nomenclature for N rolls of an M-sided die 23:55:20 I've seen that notation but didn't recognize it in context 23:55:29 // Let sleeping hounds lie. 23:56:16 that is some real special-case code. 23:56:43 -!- sgun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:58 imagining a sewer with a shark 23:57:11 hangedman_sewer_shark_tank 23:57:52 imagining because making d:1-6 stuff is insanity 23:58:07 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:58:44 laser shark (16;) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 18, 9 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(28), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 205 | Sp: b.fire (3d15) | Sz: Big | Int: reptile. 23:58:44 %??shark name:laser_shark spells:bolt_of_fire n_rpl 23:58:54 hm 23:59:04 laser shark (16;) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-54 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 18, 9 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(28), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 205 | Sp: b.inaccuracy (12d13) / b.inaccuracy (12d14) | Sz: Big | Int: reptile. 23:59:04 %??shark name:laser n_adj spells:bolt_of_inaccuracy 23:59:19 spells:searing_ray would work better, but, well. 23:59:29 rip sunray 23:59:38 jumping shark (16;) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 18, 9 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(28), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 205 | Sp: blink close, blink away | Sz: Big | Int: reptile. 23:59:38 %??shark name:jumping n_adj spells:blink_close;.;.;.;blink_away 23:59:49 jumping shark (16;) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 18, 9 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(28), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 205 | Sp: blink close, 04esc:blink away | Sz: Big | Int: reptile. 23:59:49 %??shark name:jumping n_adj spells:blink_close;.;.;.;.;blink_away 23:59:51 !send wheals phase oklobs 23:59:51 Sending phase oklobs to wheals.