00:00:10 <|amethyst> Bcadren: there is code to support hellfire vulnerability (for monsters anyway), but it cannot currently happen 00:00:30 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:00:41 <|amethyst> Bcadren: since monster::res_hellfire always returns 0 or 1 00:00:42 Huh. Ok. 00:03:50 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:07:59 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3373-g13ce0bc (34) 00:09:38 |amethyst: so what sort of timing do I need to follow for the update? Just hold off on publishing anything until after the new branch is made? 00:10:08 <|amethyst> johnstein: yeah, that should be sufficient 00:10:57 <|amethyst> sequell etc will need updated for the new URLs 00:12:34 which new URL? 00:12:58 oh nm 00:13:03 <|amethyst> johnstein: milestones and logfiles for 0.13 00:13:04 you mean the sequell sources file 00:13:06 yea 00:13:07 <|amethyst> and rc directories 00:13:27 gotcha. thought you meant I'd have to edit some sequel cbro learnDB entries 00:15:12 %git :/species 00:15:36 07gammafunk02 * 0.14-a0-3369-gb71c551: Improve the colours of the species and background selection menus (dpeg) 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 25+ 35-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b71c551ab807 00:16:20 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:32 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0a1/20140313030202]] 00:20:32 If you petrify a flying enemy over lava or water, do they drown? 00:21:03 If they have winged flight, yes 00:22:28 Therefore you can wipe out the Harpies with Petrify with sufficient Earth/Transmutations? 00:24:27 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:26:16 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:59 <|amethyst> Bcadren: yes 00:37:22 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 00:37:28 I'd kind of like Virulence as a player spell. A Poison/Hexes spell that tries to remove everything in LoS's rPois would be strategically useful...have to limit to natural monsters, of course (no poisoning demons or undead). 00:39:43 So... Nagas then? 00:40:11 Trying to think of other natural creatures with rPois, there's a couple random ones... 00:40:38 Draconians, Most Dragons... 00:40:45 Ah, yes. 00:40:57 I suppose that's something anyway. 00:41:23 &??dragon 00:41:30 can't place dummy monster: "dragon" 00:41:30 %??dragon 00:41:36 fire dragon (03D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 70-107 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1072 | Sp: b.flame (3d24) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 00:41:36 %??fire dragon 00:41:42 Slimes. 00:42:15 Hm, I guess there's enough things that a venom mage would appreciate the spell. 00:42:25 Like Hexes/Poison? 00:42:52 It could do rPois- like the new Naga does... 00:42:55 Probably best. IDK. 00:43:12 (So it could be useful even on non-rPois critters) 00:43:53 At that point though "everything in LOS" might be a bit too powerful. 00:44:07 It tries to lower rPois by one pip. rPois+ would become rPois; rPois would become rPois-. 00:44:24 And enemy rPois+ is immunity. 00:44:33 Yes. 00:45:20 unknown monster: "draconian zelot" 00:45:20 %??draconian zelot 00:45:23 I was saying everything in LoS, because it's useless by itself, have to use other spells with it to do anything. 00:45:24 pale draconian zealot (09d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 69-91 | AC/EV: 12/14 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(42), steam | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1615 | Sp: steam ball (3d19), sum.demon, hellfire burst (3d15), minor healing (2d8), smiting (7-17), animate dead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 00:45:24 %??draconian zealot 00:45:42 green draconian zealot (09d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 69-91 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 15, 1508(poison:33-52) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(42), 03poison | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1615 | Sp: poisonous cloud (3d10), sum.demon, hellfire burst (3d15), minor healing (2d8), smiting (7-17), animate dead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 00:45:42 %??green draconian zealot 00:46:02 red draconian zealot (09d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 69-91 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(42), 05fire | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1615 | Sp: fire breath (3d20), sum.demon, hellfire burst (3d15), minor healing (2d8), smiting (7-17), animate dead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 00:46:02 %??red draconian zealot 00:46:05 I was peeking at MRs for possible targets 00:46:21 (Since I'd assume it'd need to pass an MR check) 00:46:32 the highest it'd ever go up against are these two... 00:46:38 the Lernaean hydra (08D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | amphibious, cold-blooded, regen | Res: 06magic(120), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 5233 | Sz: Giant | Int: reptile. 00:46:38 %??the lernaean hydra 00:46:44 royal jelly (08J) | Spd: 14 | HD: 21 | HP: 230 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(196), 03poison, 08acid+++, asphyx, 12drown | XP: 14176 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 00:46:44 %??the royal jelly 00:47:06 Yeah, probably not gonna happen against TRJ, but that's probably Ok. 00:47:14 quicksilver dragon (11D) | Spd: 15 | HD: 16 | HP: 69-109 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 25, 20 | see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(149), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2540 | Sp: b.quicksilver (3d20) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 00:47:14 %??quicksilver dragon 00:47:26 Hm, no rPois on him. 00:47:32 iron dragon (10D) | Spd: 8 | HD: 18 | HP: 102-133 | AC/EV: 20/6 | Dam: 25, 25, 2507(trample) | see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1717 | Sp: metal splinters (3d30) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 00:47:32 %??iron dragon 00:47:41 Removing TRJ's poison immunity...could make that battle SO much easier haha... 00:47:52 Just Meph it! 00:48:48 um. 00:49:13 re poison resist: ghost moths & emperor scorps both have rPois, iirc 00:50:03 I feel like it's kind of a dumb spell for players - not sure it leads to interesting play 00:50:05 (virulence) 00:50:06 Meph has a hit dice check anyway, not terribly likely to work on TRJ even with no rPois. 00:50:33 just put even more skill in pois and switch from 'venom bolt everything' to 'virulence, then venom bolt everything' 00:50:35 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:51:33 It'd keep poison from losing its relevance as early as it does... 00:51:47 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:51:47 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:05 honestly poison is really really good as late as depths 00:52:11 depths/vaults 00:52:19 still lots of enemies that get minced by vbolt/pcloud 00:52:32 can't kill everything with it but it's still good 00:52:42 Meph is great in Elf; but then so is anything that can confuse or silence the casters. 00:52:49 ??meph reasons[3 00:52:49 meph reasons[3/27]: You like it when confusion "proc"s. 00:52:56 ??meph reasons[8 00:52:57 meph reasons[8/27]: You're "rolling" a "hybrid". 00:53:08 ??meph reasons[17 00:53:08 meph reasons[17/27]: You are going to "pump" Air Magic anyway. 00:53:19 elf is honestly really easy 00:53:22 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 00:53:40 or maybe I do it too late. idk 00:53:46 It's either easy or deadly, depending :) 00:53:51 Except the end vault; the end vault is incredibly hard... 00:53:53 heh 00:54:11 the end vault can be challenging but caution & tactics generally simplify matters 00:54:16 I like the new crystal guardian version 00:54:17 It's the earliest source of hellfire, earliest place you can see 1's... 00:54:30 turns out the way to make elf harder is to add non-elves 00:54:54 deep elf annihilator (12e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 52-82 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1262 | Sp: b.lightning (3d20), crystal spear (3d34), blink, iron shot (3d28), poison arrow (3d22) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 00:54:54 %??deep elf annihilator 00:55:00 Those crystal golems nearly bit me the first time I encountered them. 00:55:10 they're kinda neat 00:55:14 Yeah. 00:55:31 3d34 can one hit a lot of characters...if they went there XL 15 or less 00:55:58 this is why it's generally a bad idea to do elf right after orc 00:56:11 unless you did orc late I guess. idk 00:56:29 guardian serpent (16S) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 26 | spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(64), 03poison | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 457 | Sp: b.venom (3d13), slow, blink allies encircling | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 00:56:29 %??guardian serpent 00:57:27 You know, Nothing outside of Slimes have Acid resistance at all...meaning even the strongest demons take full damage from fedhas oklobs. 00:57:36 oklob plant (09P) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 10 | HP: 38-71 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant, !sil | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 560 | Sp: s.acid (3d7+7d5) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 00:57:36 %??oklob plant 00:58:17 When you are of fedhas, the HD and fire rate grow with your Invo, but I don't know by how much... 00:58:29 oklob plant (09P) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 27 | HP: 118-175 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant, !sil | Res: 06magic(108), 03poison, 08acid+++, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 3517 | Sp: s.acid (3d7+7d5) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 00:58:29 %??oklob plant hd:27 00:59:32 this is why fedhas extended is secret tech 00:59:41 idk why we're chatting about this in -dev tho 00:59:42 10-56 dam per hit, average of 33. 01:00:27 sorry. 01:01:08 I forgive you 01:02:28 Oh I remember why I brought it up. Was just thinking that old -have poison extend into Acid damage so it can be used against demons and undead stint that seems to come up every so often. [With a side note that a lot of insect venoms are actually a mixture of digestive enzymes and acid anyways] 01:05:26 I do think if acid was actually made more common resistance and weakness to it would have to be added too, it being irresistable by most things is fine, when Oklobs and Yellow Drac breath are the only player sources, but if it was in a spell or a weapon brand...it'd need to be coded. 01:05:36 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:37 I do like the idea of having poison have more late-game utility 01:06:44 the skill 01:06:48 -!- Pisano has quit [] 01:06:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:07:33 it's sort of like charms in that you *can* raise it to 27, but there's no reason right now besides the title 01:07:53 whereas with other skills, there's usually at least some reason to raise it to 20+ 01:08:01 I guess if you're heavy-armor casting 01:08:12 you can say the same of throwing... 01:08:16 ehhh 01:08:19 throwing is good 01:08:24 it's slings that I don't get 01:08:40 well idk. maybe throwing needs some late-game love too 01:08:50 slings just baffle me, though. 01:09:33 Giant slingshot that fire large rocks for the big species. 01:09:58 dumb as hell. I'm sold 01:10:03 also going to bed 01:10:11 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140318030202]] 01:10:32 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:16:57 Slings do as much damage as crossbows at Skill 27... 01:17:18 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:19:42 I said throwing because throwing is (plain weird) until like Skill 12ish rocks do more damage than darts, but then darts become more powerful somehow??? And Tomahawks/Javelins aren't that late game viable meaning maxing it is only useful if you are giant species and willing to carry the 60 aum-each large rocks. 01:25:37 Well, I agree that throwing is weird at least. 01:26:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:28:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:28:19 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:30:05 My brain finally narrowed in on something I think viable for this. Alchemy (old term meaning the study of substances; the protochemistry) which would include everything that's currently Poison, some Transmutations stuff (petrify, ignite poison) and some acid and water based attacks. maybe? It'd be a restructure for several spells so it might be a major to-do... 01:30:57 !vault kilobyte_greek_temple_15 01:30:57 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/temple.des;hb=HEAD#l1162 01:32:59 slings at 27 do the same as xbows at 27? 01:33:07 or slings at 27 do the same as xbows at 0? 01:34:22 Slings at 27 do the same damage as crossbows at 27 (Given some assumptions, in the case i worked with, both were vorpal, using frost ammo, against a stone giant, with 21 Str/Dex) 01:34:55 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:35:04 -!- Quashie_ is now known as Quashie 01:35:12 AND sligns can use a buckler!!! 01:35:16 https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9gS_GOJ_xARbHJiMWc0X000Vm8/edit?usp=sharing 01:35:45 That's just a plot of fsim using both. 01:35:48 !tell dpeg For the 15-altar temples, these were designed to have all the temple gods; now that we have dith, do you think it's ok to make them have 16 altars? 01:35:48 gammafunk: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 01:36:13 (Well, and some other weapons for comparison, the melee weapons were cold-branded) 01:37:03 How much work would making acid more common be? I mean with player accessing it outside of a god and a rare racial ability, monster weakness and resist should probably be added so that's a thing...and...that's as far as I get. 01:37:26 (Slings actually do more damage than crossbows from skill 5 to skill 24 or so) 01:37:45 i assume this is sling-bullet sling 01:37:48 Yes 01:37:58 Frost branded, specifically. 01:38:04 (And frost-branded bolts) 01:38:06 Slings vs. xbows? 01:38:16 ...xbows vs. Long bows then? 01:38:31 Long bows are better 01:38:45 More dam, less speed, right? 01:39:17 what enchantment were these weapons 01:39:28 All +9 +9 01:39:30 aha 01:39:34 ok that makes sense now 01:39:46 enchantment does much more for sling/longbow than it does for xbow, btw 01:39:54 Slings at +0,+0 a lot worse then? 01:39:59 ??punk 01:39:59 punk[1/1]: A +9, +12 sling of frost. Gives rC+. 01:40:10 Is that the best Ranged weapon then? lol 01:40:22 (I was using Punk at the time which is why I was checking how things work) 01:40:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:40:32 And no, punk isn't the best ranged weapon 01:40:49 Actually a +9 vorpal sling with frost bullets beats it, barely 01:40:57 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:41:01 unknown monster: "sniper" 01:41:01 %??sniper 01:41:06 ??sniper 01:41:06 sniper[1/3]: The +15,+15 crossbow "Sniper" {velocity, SInv}. Has 20 base delay. 01:41:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:41:29 ??hellfire [2 01:41:29 hellfire[2/4]: Comes in two flavors. Hellions, deep elf high priests, and draconian zealots use hellfire bursts, which can explode anywhere in LOS and do 3d15 damage. Deep elf sorcerers, brimstone fiends, draconian scorchers, [player] demonspawn and staff of Dispater use vanilla hellfire, which is 3d20 but requires a clear path. 01:41:31 ??hellfire [4 01:41:32 hellfire[4/4]: Player (demonspawn) hellfire does up to 3d42 damage, depending on level, and costs 15% of your max health to use. Ignores rF and AC just like monster hellfire. Monsters with rHellfire are completely immune. 01:41:33 ??hellfire [3 01:41:33 hellfire[3/4]: Also an unrandart +6,+6 crossbow {rF++, rC-, MR+} which shoots hellfire bolts (hellfire elemental damage and exploding); was +6,+9 and merely flaming in 0.13 and older. 01:41:49 A +9 vorpal longbow with frost arrows is as good or better than a +9 claymore of freezing. damage-wise 01:42:05 That might be the best...and Also the only player source of Hellfire that DOESN'T cost HP. 01:42:26 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:42:34 wow i never realized xbows were so bad compared to longbows 01:43:22 Frost Arrows are 100% ice damage though so they do shit to things with rC+. 01:43:32 They're much closer at +0 01:44:03 Well, yes, but if you have a vorpal longbow you just quiver whatever sort of arrow doesn't do shit damage:) 01:44:26 Unless you are of Oka or something, most those arrows are pretty rare. 01:45:30 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-3374-gf421e69: Show inventory weights only for pickup/drop by default. 10(4 minutes ago, 6 files, 42+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f421e69a4b27 01:45:31 the reason you'd use xbows is 1) you can start with one and 2) they're better at realistic low-skill conditions anyway 01:46:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:49 * Bcadren still thinks player acid needs to be (a) more common and (b) both buffed in one way and nerfed in another. [Buff being it degrades opponent's base AC (really helpful against things with high defenses like Emperor Scorpions) and nerf being things other than slimes can have resistances to it.] 01:47:57 Yes, comparing a crossbow to a longbow is like comparing a mace to a great sword. Different circumstances entirely. 01:48:41 well, dpeg should be very happy 01:48:51 !vault kilobyte_greek_temple_15 01:48:51 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/temple.des;hb=HEAD#l1162 01:50:05 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:51:48 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-3375-g9e04ae6: Initialise a member. 10(31 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e04ae6d8e5d 01:56:54 -!- iasov has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:35 ??? 01:58:35 I don't have a page labeled ? in my learndb. Did you mean: !, #, &, *, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, d, o, t, v, �. 01:59:29 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:01:32 I'll write a proposal for more common acid damage and replacing Poison with alchemy (which will include more than just poison)...then disappear again. Try to get real work did. 02:07:11 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 02:07:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-3376-gf173aa4: Improve doxygen tagging of an enum. 10(31 seconds ago, 1 file, 20+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f173aa4c9646 02:08:01 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:08:50 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:10:48 |amethyst: have you run doxygen on the source before? I was going to try that soon 02:16:34 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3376-gf173aa4 (34) 02:17:44 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:56 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:29 -!- nixor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:27:37 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:27:38 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:27:45 -!- rax has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:35:05 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:35:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:36:19 * Bcadren thinks Refrigeration should be bumped up to Lvl 7. 02:42:13 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 02:42:43 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:48:33 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:55:12 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:58:21 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:58:57 these new character selection colours are much better! 02:58:58 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:00:43 -!- angry_point has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:11 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:07 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:31 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:18:49 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:19:37 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:29:07 Question: If a Yredite Venom Mage Enslaved the Soul of a Naga Ritualist, what things do Virulence work on? ...or does it only affect the player right now? 03:33:32 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:35:06 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:36:21 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11396 Go ahead and insult it...I don't care. 03:36:36 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:36:38 rchandra: fyi there's a $20 usage fee payable to me ($5 goes to dpeg) each time you use that menu. 03:40:43 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:44:15 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:47:05 !tell bh stop being exactly opposite my schedule! :P 03:47:06 Wensley: OK, I'll let bh know. 03:50:25 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:52:24 -!- buzzykins has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:57:55 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:01:17 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:03:26 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:03:27 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:13:08 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:17:18 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:59 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:51:44 -!- jeffro_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:32 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:55:10 -!- kait_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:55:11 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:59:37 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:15:42 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:16:09 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 05:19:28 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:34 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:29:18 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 05:33:18 !lg * ikiller=~crusher 05:33:18 3. Penguingo the Bludgeoner (L20 GrFi of Zin), blasted by an octopode crusher (shard of ice) on Depths:1 on 2014-03-11 22:08:50, with 268863 points after 44579 turns and 3:30:19. 05:35:55 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 05:48:53 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:49:18 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:01:57 octopode crusher (08x) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 81-115 | AC/EV: 1/18 | Dam: 35, 1003(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(56), 12drown | XP: 1613 | Sp: throw icicle (3d23), melee | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 06:01:57 %??octopode crusher 06:02:43 merfolk impaler (08m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%; atk: 60%) | HD: 12 | HP: 67-90 | AC/EV: 0/18 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious | Res: 06magic(48), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1080 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 06:02:43 %??merfolk impaler 06:02:58 merfolk aquamancer (03m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 15 | HP: 53-80 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 996 | Sp: primal wave (3d21), steam ball (3d19), throw icicle (3d24), 04esc:blink | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 06:02:58 %??merfolk aquamancer 06:03:35 So Crushers are the strongest melee threat in the Shoals, then? 06:04:01 kraken (05X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 16 | HP: 185-234 | AC/EV: 20/0 | Dam: 50 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 2317 | Sp: spawn tentacles, 04esc:ink cloud | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 06:04:01 %??Kraken 06:04:51 I stand by that statement, because they can have good weapons and the Kraken uses none. 06:05:10 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:06:01 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:07:59 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:10:02 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:36 All hail dpeg designlord. 06:17:35 * dpeg hands out the masterplan to DCSS 1.28. 06:18:40 I wrote another plug about pulling in player water magic (different route this time [not a god]) https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11396 06:18:58 -!- Ratgina has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:21:02 Bcadren: your proposals are so damn massive :) Also, listen to dck. That man really knows what he is talking about. 06:21:02 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 06:21:51 Is massive a problem? 06:21:56 ??bcadren [1 06:21:57 bcadren[1/5]: Bear is driving a van 06:23:19 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:23:49 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:30:21 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: help] 06:30:27 Bcadren: sure, makes it much, much harder to ever get into the game 06:33:16 I don't think it's that large of a thing, I just...explained everything at once. It's changing Poison to Alchemy, which encompasses Poison, Acid, Water and changing things other than your own body (which stays as Transmutations) 06:33:48 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:02 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:30 Bcadren: you are underestimating the effort. Someone has to read and understand all of what you wrote, then tweak it (like dck's comments show, there's much that leaves to be desired), then someone has to code it, then it has to be tested and tweaked for a long time. Along the way, a massive change like this will have repercussions on many other aspects of the game (for example monsters, vaults). 06:36:58 Bcadren: If you are just doing these feature proposals for fun, then it's alright. If you actually want to affect the game, propose something much smaller. 06:38:07 Bcadren: Whenever you vaguely propose a spell with a few words, someone has to come up with actual numbers. This is a lot of work. 06:39:09 Acid resists kind of need tweaked as it is...Jellies and Yellow Draconians resist completely, everything else takes full damage...It does make Fedhas Oklobs kind of like Hellfire, since nothing can resist 5d7 of the damage, but...Acid really shouldn't be hellfire. 06:41:03 And I can't really do the actual numbers, I don't know the actual numbers of current spells to compare. 06:43:11 I seriously suggest to start smaller, much smaller. With a single spell proposal, for example. Complete with reasoning why the game is better off with it. 06:43:37 Or a single unique, or a single fixed artefact etc. 06:45:35 Would you be against changing acid damage, btw? [Since it would affect Fedhas and IIRC that was your first god.] 06:46:00 Bcadren: you can also read through the whole changelog, starting from DCSS 0.1, to get a feeling what has been done with spells (nerfs, buffs, removals, additions). 06:46:30 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:46:43 Well a single proposal to add a bunch of spells to make Conjurations start be completely non-elemental went through fine. 06:46:53 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:47:02 Fedhas was by far not my first god :) I don't think that acid damage needs sudden changes. Okay, players hate corrosion, but I'd rather make yellow draconians rarer, or disappear. 06:47:18 I am and always was happy with jelly acid and oklob spitting. 06:48:05 You see, any thing you point at in Crawl could be scrutinised and improved. But for most of them it's nowhere urgent. So we try to change things with high priority. Coder time is very valuable. 06:49:07 It's both a buff and a nerf to -player- acid damage, of which the only current sources are Oklobs (Fedhas) and Yellow Draconian breath. Make it so more things have resists (Slimes and Yellow Drakes are it right now), but make corrosion more player useful (affect monsters differently by lowering their base AC instead of corroding equipment). 06:49:33 Bcadren: The new conjuration spells were done single-handedly, that is true, but by someone who both designed and implemented himself! If you are able to code, then the scope of what you can do changes, of course. If you can't, or don't want to, you have to rely that your cool ideas catch on with someone. 06:50:23 See, I have a long list of things that I believe are cool and at least modest priority, and I am having trouble finding people who like them enough to code it. 06:52:39 I can code; I just should be coding my own things and...ugh, I'm such an idiot. 06:53:37 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:02:55 I guess that could be collapsed into just adding a couple acid spells to poison and refining the acid damage type to something more unique...as that's the more 'important' part of it IMO 07:04:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:10:07 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:13:13 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:13:20 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:01 -!- Escalator has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32:47 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:33:35 -!- RZX has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 07:39:10 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 07:49:28 if bcadren submits a rockets proposal, i will totally work on a patch for that 07:49:32 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:52:38 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:55:03 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 08:04:00 !messages 08:04:00 (1/1) gammafunk said (6h 28m 12s ago): For the 15-altar temples, these were designed to have all the temple gods; now that we have dith, do you think it's ok to make them have 16 altars? 08:04:16 gammafunk: absolutely! 08:05:15 people usually keep the old ones and make variants of them for one more god, and/or make new patterns that fit the current number (for example, 15 = 3*5, 15 = 1+2+3+4+5 spring to mind) 08:05:30 !tell gammafunk Absolutely! People usually keep the old ones and make variants of them for one more god, and/or make new patterns that fit the current number (for example, 15 = 3*5, 15 = 1+2+3+4+5 spring to mind). 08:05:30 dpeg: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 08:05:57 <|amethyst> there were suggestions to remove the 15-altar temples too 08:06:12 <|amethyst> to guarantee that at least a few overflow altars exists in each game 08:06:28 |amethyst: alongside the suggestions to remove the ET as such? :) 08:06:44 I think it's cool to have all gods in one room sometimes. We can make this a rare event, if we want. 08:07:01 <|amethyst> Maybe one sixteen-god altar? 08:07:09 <|amethyst> sixteen has a lot of symmetry 08:07:29 |amethyst: current (0.14) temple god count is 15? 08:07:42 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:08:07 <|amethyst> dpeg: 16 temple gods counting Dith 08:08:29 <|amethyst> ACDE FKMN OSTV XYZ1 08:10:12 <3 08:10:32 |amethyst: so yes, I'd like to have at least one 16 god temple map 08:14:16 !tell bh You are using a new email address for c-r-d. Purpose or accident? I have given it nomod flag anyway. 08:14:16 dpeg: OK, I'll let bh know. 08:14:39 -!- Ketsa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 08:22:17 -!- rast2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:24:46 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:38 <|amethyst> oh 08:25:59 <|amethyst> we already have three 16-god temples 08:30:08 -!- w4ldf33 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:35:47 WeiSong (L8 DDFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:7) 08:35:48 Syneil (L9 DECj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:9) 08:35:49 Zicher (L17 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 212: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Snake:3) 08:36:54 -!- Acidburn6 has quit [Client Quit] 08:39:42 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:00 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:05 -!- blabber has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:47:16 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:16 -!- debo has quit [Client Quit] 08:49:48 |amethyst: this is how it goes :) 08:49:54 !seen SGrunt 08:49:54 Sorry dpeg, I haven't seen sgrunt. 08:50:03 !seen Grunt 08:50:03 I last saw Grunt at Wed Mar 19 04:53:06 2014 UTC (8h 56m 57s ago) saying '...good.' on ##crawl. 08:59:16 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:59:38 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:25 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:28 -!- Ketsa has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 09:03:08 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:08:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 09:23:00 Froboctopus (L19 DECj) ASSERT(range >= 0) in 'beam.cc' at line 626 failed. (beam 'fireball', source 'tengu reaver', item 'none'; has range -1) (Zot (ZotDef)) 09:34:55 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 09:35:22 -!- timbw has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:38:07 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:23 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 09:40:38 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:46:23 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:46:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 09:49:18 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:51:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:57 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:54:40 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 09:58:37 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:01 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:26 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:20 dpeg: hi! 10:13:23 We do have a few sixteen god mals thanks to nicolae, for the record. 10:13:23 *maps 10:13:23 Hi Grunt! I added some parts to the planning wiki page, hope you don't mind. 10:13:49 dpeg: it is a *wiki* page; why would I mind? :) 10:14:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:14:49 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:15:18 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:15:42 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:16:12 Grunt: I striked out the Dith stuff... the god can go in as is, I can lobby for the other changes in the future as well 10:24:17 last minute rename dith to dithgnomes 10:26:01 * dpeg slaps rchandra with a gnomish hammer 10:27:01 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:44 -!- raskol has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:43 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:38:06 Where's the page that gives step-by-step instructions for building Crawl? I know I found it the other day... 10:42:49 PleasingFungus: just had a quick look, couldn't find it 10:43:14 isn't it just a file in the crawl source tree? 10:43:32 crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt 10:43:33 is it? I remember looking at a webpage that was talking about stuff like setting up mysgit 10:43:37 that's good too though 10:43:48 probably on the dev wiki somewhere 10:44:11 yeah looks like INSTALL.txt has what I need 10:44:12 thanks! 10:44:43 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/downloads 10:45:51 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 31.0a1/20140318030202]] 10:52:29 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:29 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:53 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:34 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 11:04:35 He will forever be "Deathmangoes" to me. 11:06:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:58 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:09:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:10:28 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:24 -!- spidreman has quit [Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )] 11:21:50 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:25:52 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:28:12 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:28:30 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:02 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:33:06 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:33 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:35:59 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:36:59 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:26 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:40:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:48:18 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:15 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:56:30 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:56:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 12:03:58 -!- Pharaoh_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:13:37 -!- nixor has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 12:15:51 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3376-gf173aa4 (34) 12:24:45 -!- iasov has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 12:30:18 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:32:01 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 12:32:04 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:22 -!- Laraso has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:38:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:23 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:41:32 -!- _aardvark has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:37 -!- buzzykins has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:43:46 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:50:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 12:51:59 -!- truemonolith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:57:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:59:26 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:58 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:44 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:13:29 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:13 -!- wat1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:16:34 -!- _159 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:21:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:22:40 -!- jameyd has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 13:22:47 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:57 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 13:37:26 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:37:46 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:22 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:20 -!- Villadelfia has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:44:49 -!- Villadelfia has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:29 -!- SublimeSnake has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:49:55 -!- maahes has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 13:51:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:17 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 13:51:27 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:05 -!- Pach has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:01 -!- Pach has quit [Client Quit] 13:58:04 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:59:05 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:00:53 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:31 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 14:10:29 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:38 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:11:06 Who is maintaining the dgamelaunch stuff for a webtiles server? 14:11:11 I think mainly |amethyst 14:11:27 but several servers are running that setup 14:11:32 Trying to convert https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=setting_up_dgamelaunch_and_webtiles into Docker containers now 14:11:49 Which means no chroot needed, making one container for the admin part, and one for crawl player server 14:11:54 what are docker containers? 14:11:57 oh 14:12:03 https://www.docker.io/ 14:12:16 chroot on steroids :P 14:12:29 I'm too dumb to appreciate the idea :p 14:12:38 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:12:49 Basically you can just get the final image and run anywhere, just install/configure once 14:12:57 but I did run into several weird issues setting up the chroots for CBRO and DBRO 14:13:20 So with docker, I'll just do this once, and anyone can setup a webtiles server in minutes 14:13:51 even across various Linux distros? 14:14:17 if the docker daemon runs on it, sure 14:14:34 I know I had to install Ubuntu flavored stuff in my chroot to match my host setup 14:14:57 related to issues rebuilding crawl 14:14:59 docker uses lxc. lightweight vm's with pretty much zero performance penalties 14:15:17 the container runs as long as the process within it runs 14:15:27 each container basically is meant to run one process :P 14:15:41 sounds really interesting 14:15:53 Yeah, my first project now is converting webtiles to docker 14:15:59 or well, put it in docker 14:16:01 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:16:01 Mattias: best to keep asking, until |amethyst is around 14:16:02 -!- nimtz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:11 |amethyst: and probably greensnark can probably have a better technical discussion 14:16:36 Mattias: I am also willing to be a guinea pig 14:16:38 -!- nimtz has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:45 I have a few questions about the config file though, WEB_SAVEDUMP_URL, what should I put there? 14:17:01 and try to install it on my VPS once you think it's ready 14:17:18 that's for the save files I think 14:17:20 johnstein: http://pastebin.com/6CeCFH5P <-- my start :P 14:17:44 when you ssh into a server and go to advanced options to create a save backup 14:18:10 in the server you symlink that save dir so devs can access the backup saves from the web 14:18:16 The only thing the vps will need is docker installed and the service running :) 14:19:07 johnstein: so it's basically just a link? 14:19:08 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:19 no api request uri or anything, just a link .) 14:19:20 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:22:14 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:22:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:42 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:38:23 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:43 -!- flun has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:12 Hello, looks like the CAO profile pages have not been updating recently. Anyone know whats up? 14:42:32 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:46:12 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:46 flun best to !tell rax, I would think 14:51:44 !tell rax looks like the CAO profile pages have not been updating recently. Any idea whats up? 14:51:44 flun: OK, I'll let rax know. 14:54:10 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:07 <|amethyst> flun: looks like it died a few days ago for some unknown reason 14:59:20 <|amethyst> flun: running it now, but it will take some while to process the backlog 14:59:25 <|amethyst> s/while/time/ 14:59:31 -!- w4ldf33 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:01:04 |amethyst: hooray :) 15:02:00 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:27 thanks + 15:03:53 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:03:55 <|amethyst> !tell rax taken care of 15:03:55 |amethyst: OK, I'll let rax know. 15:04:56 <|amethyst> scoring should really be merged with sequell, since sequell already has the DB and it's much more optimised 15:05:11 * |amethyst scribbles some notes 15:05:23 * |amethyst Sequells some Sequell 15:05:36 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:06:52 -!- dpeg has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 15:07:03 -!- ZRN has quit [Excess Flood] 15:07:04 -!- Tedronai has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:26 -!- truemono has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:07:59 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Excess Flood] 15:08:00 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:08:00 -!- wheals has quit [Excess Flood] 15:08:04 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Excess Flood] 15:08:04 -!- LexAckson has quit [Excess Flood] 15:08:08 -!- xnavy has quit [Excess Flood] 15:08:17 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:47 -!- flun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:09:08 -!- Laraso has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:47 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:51 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:59 johnstein: haven't gotten very far yet but, I made a git repo for it: https://github.com/mattias/docker-crawl-webtiles 15:11:24 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:04 I'll take a look later tonight after work. what works so far? 15:12:08 -!- Mandevil has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 15:13:01 johnstein: nothing, consider it pre-alpha :P 15:13:20 Just fragments of the webtiles server guide so far 15:15:04 ??!hw 15:15:04 !hw ~ hw ~ heal wounds[1/2]: Restores a moderate amount of HP. Will not cure rotting (but will reverse it), sickness, poisoning, or confusion. Compare with {potion of curing}. 15:18:06 -!- Laraso_ has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 15:18:06 -!- _aardvark has quit [] 15:19:30 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:24:49 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:27:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:28:58 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:29:41 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:37 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:37:50 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:41:09 -!- Porost_ has quit [Quit: fgtuhy6YuivghuyYttFgbn] 15:43:59 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:59 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:54:07 -!- zxc232 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:56:23 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:40 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:00:52 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 16:00:56 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:56 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:03:47 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:12:47 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:15 -!- LordSloth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:13:43 <|amethyst> Crawl is hard but try to balance your monsters. While it is true that Orc:1 16:13:43 <|amethyst> can show an orc knight, this is very rare. Hence it's probably a bad idea 16:13:43 <|amethyst> to use orc knights for an entry to the Orcish Mines. 16:13:54 <|amethyst> I think this probably applies to elephants and Lair as well 16:13:59 |amethyst: death yaks 16:14:34 |amethyst: where are you reading this? 16:14:39 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:15:27 <|amethyst> docs/develop/levels/introduction.txt 16:17:50 %git 00ebc7f2 16:17:51 07greensnark02 * 0.3-a0-233-g00ebc7f: Added level-design howto (David). 10(7 years ago, 1 file, 564+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=00ebc7f2bdc8 16:18:23 |amethyst: I note that the same person who wrote those words is responsible for low weight orc knights and elephants and death yaks in branch entrances. 16:18:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:20:20 (actually, orc entrances could use a little buffing since they were pushed down in depth) 16:20:53 i think the ridiculous elephant lair entries have since been toned down? 16:21:11 MarvinPA: there's just the one and it can still place seven elephants. 16:21:14 oh except dpeg_lair_monsters 16:21:16 yeah 16:21:47 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:10 yes i was going to bring this up, seeing an elephant band outside of the earlier lair entrance seems rather silly now 16:28:25 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:36:46 it might be a bit much 16:37:43 hm 16:37:44 !lg * recent kmap~~lair br=d s=ckiller 16:37:45 2069 games for * (recent kmap~~lair br=d): 234x a boring beetle, 215x a fire drake, 211x a komodo dragon, 174x a giant goldfish, 165x an elephant, 161x a yak, 95x an orc priest, 89x a crocodile, 80x a troll, 65x an elephant slug, 58x a warg, 54x a basilisk, 51x a death yak, 47x a giant slug, 37x a wolf, 32x an orc warrior, 29x a porcupine, 23x a lava snake, 23x a deep elf fighter, 22x a green rat,... 16:38:37 need to nerf boring beetles 16:40:48 and goldfishes 16:41:42 Boring Beetles are...stronger than you'd expect. 16:41:57 If you get killed by a goldfish...it's usually your own fault. 16:42:01 boring beetle (07B) | Spd: 6 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 13/4 | Dam: 35 | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 110 | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 16:42:01 %??Boring beetle 16:42:23 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:29 What was I thinking? 16:42:34 It is so long ago, cannot remember. 16:42:46 Poor dpeg. 16:43:09 1learn add vault What was I thinking? 16:43:18 We have much better vault designers now than back then. 16:43:58 ...aha, I just found an old commit I've been looking for. 16:44:04 %git 43ba2b 16:44:04 07greensnark02 * 0.4-a0-140-g43ba2b6: Discarding unused .des files. 10(6 years ago, 4 files, 0+ 1273-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=43ba2b6c8036 16:44:10 -!- notcluie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:44:29 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45:26 * Bcadren is trying to beat crawl as a bat. (VpMo that never leaves batform) so far I've joined Makhleb and started studying up Invo so that I can have my primary killdudes as Minor Destruction. 16:45:44 nice conduct 16:52:49 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 16:54:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:56:25 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:01:28 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:59 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:03:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:07:48 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:10:41 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13:13 -!- Blazinghand|Work is now known as Blazinghand 17:13:17 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:44 DracoOmega: cheers! 17:13:49 Cheers to what? 17:14:02 * dpeg_ cheers to the general public 17:14:05 Ha 17:15:26 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:14 -!- johnny0 has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:16:20 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 17:17:20 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:17 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:19:49 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 17:22:23 So, I have been playing a bunch of formicids recently (to get a feel for current balance) and most of what I've seen feels pretty reasonable to me. The drawbacks are strong, but the perks are interesting, and I feel it changes how you approach certain situations (and am personally fine with them being somewhat 'bad' so long as the conduct involved is interesting enough). 17:22:24 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 17:22:25 That being said, I think self-shafting really doesn't need as many additional drawbacks as it already has. 17:22:42 what are they? 17:23:07 Stranding yourself several levels from safety is already pretty bad. Does it really need a several turn long delay (that can get interrupted, sometimes with unclear messages), plus fireball-esque noise upon landing 17:23:27 btw, my second to last game was a FoVM who died in Swamp (after doing Orc, Elf, Snake to the end, too), to one of those pesky new monsters :) 17:23:50 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:23:58 I think even if you could dive down the shaft immediately, it would still be something you wanted to avoid ever using, if possible 17:23:58 DracoOmega: and, worst drawback: you cannot use it in some places. Like Swamp:5. 17:24:05 of course 17:24:10 DracoOmega: i actually just won a fosu that made nice use of menagerie and ice conjurations 17:24:27 he never shafted, but i rarely consider shafting on a fo since yes it seems likely to not really help 17:24:35 Whereas right now, it seems bad even as an emergency 'otherwise I will die in the next turn or two', since trying to shaft yourself will not even let you escape quickly enough 17:24:40 DracoOmega: multiturn sits better with me than noise at destination 17:25:26 I don't even think multiturn is necessary, personally. At least nearly all the times I would have considered shafting, letting the monsters next to me get two more swings made it completely unviable 17:25:27 (my guy shafted all the way to D:15, repeatedly, the pressure wouldn't let up... but I got back, this felt so good!) 17:25:43 the noise is the big drawback and probably the reason i dont do it. i think like teleportation you should use it if you know the situation is going to go sour, rather than waiting until you are low to teleport 17:25:49 (And then one time I DID try it, a jumping spider hit me and interrupted it without accomplishing anything) 17:25:59 (of course, teleport has the nice bonus of being able to reposition/heal/etc) 17:26:07 simmarine: yes, teleports and stairs using several turns makes it more reasonable on shafts, imo 17:26:09 can you not shaft while webbed/constricted? 17:26:20 You can't, even if it happens a couple turns later 17:26:24 ah, i like the stairs comparison better though 17:26:47 dpeg_: Well, teleports take several turns, but you can do something during those turns, which matters a LOT 17:26:48 DracoOmega: why not start with no noise? 17:27:08 DracoOmega: yes, but you have some control about the situation on the actual level 17:27:13 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:27:23 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:27:28 fr being burdened or overloaded makes a lot of noise when you go downstairs 17:27:30 getting punished on the shaft end is really evil 17:27:46 simmarine: probably not worth it when we plan to remove weights 17:28:06 just a silly fr! a jab at nethacks brilliant implementation 17:28:14 :) 17:28:20 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 17:28:40 The Crawl devteam can rarely agree on anything, but all will chime in to poke some good, clean fun on Nethack :) 17:28:55 (Oh, you also take an EV penalty while shafting, too, by the way) 17:29:05 that i did not know 17:29:14 As with all normal 'delayed' actions 17:29:31 DracoOmega: let's go for silent, to start with 17:30:10 hmm, did eustachio lose spammal? 17:30:14 as in, multiple mammals 17:30:16 I guess I feel that isn't really enough to make it feel 'good', personally (though maybe some of that is just me?) 17:30:50 DracoOmega: then bring it up on c-r-d, with several choices 17:30:51 And formicids feel they have plenty of room to not have to worry about making them OP :P 17:31:40 -!- raskol has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:05 DracoOmega: mu gut feelings are: it's close to release, so let's stick with smallish changes; give Fo the strongest buff of those available (no noise); multiturn makes sense (gameplay and mechanics) when compared with other actions 17:34:40 If it's not good enough, we can buff some more in 0.15. However, shafting is already viable now, in my experience. 17:35:38