00:00:39 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:33 !tell Medar Oh and my spacing in the javascript is wrong, I'll fix that 00:01:34 gammafunk: OK, I'll let medar know. 00:01:36 Is it too much to ask to have the web-tiles games auto chardump each time the player changed floors? 00:02:03 I swear my most popular chat phrase on webtiles is "can you please chardump ('#' in-game)" 00:03:09 Well, I think we'd just do that in all games if we did it 00:03:50 indeed 00:05:41 not sure whether dumping 20 times when you autotravel across the dungeon would slow anything down noticeably 00:05:48 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3348-g998ff18 (34) 00:06:19 if that's not a worry then dumping more frequently does seem reasonable 00:06:23 elliptic: well, probably it could be made to not do it when autotravelling 00:06:31 yeah, and there's the issue of communicating that's we're doing this 00:06:32 or not do it more than once every X turns 00:06:32 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06:49 gammafunk: communicating? 00:06:53 I'm 100% fine with it just chardump on exploring a "new" floor 00:07:24 gammafunk: we don't currently communicate that we are updating the dump whenever a player saves... 00:07:49 xFleury: that could work, do the chardump whenever a new level is created 00:08:03 Wait, that's automatic now? 00:08:10 hehe 00:08:15 Grunt: it has been for quite a while... 00:08:15 hence communicating is kind of nice 00:08:31 Player saving is a rare and rather noticable event 00:08:58 (For the longest time I've thought I needed to macro to do that.) 00:09:22 there's also the fact that you need the link to the dump in some way; for webtiles we could just link the player's name in the stats area to their dump file 00:09:29 for console there's irc, at least 00:09:49 -!- SoulEvans has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:09:56 -!- SoulEvans_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:09:56 We don't want to spit out that link necessarily on every new floor in webtiles, but perhaps that's actually ok 00:10:14 I guess dump_on_save is actually an option, true by default 00:10:20 I sort of doubt anyone changed it to false 00:10:25 maybe try to put the most recent dump somewhere in the CAO page? 00:10:30 so it's linked to in webtiles anyway 00:10:46 wheals: seems easier to just link the player's name in webtiles 00:10:46 s/it's/it would be/ 00:11:15 at the time it was made an option because we were concerned that some people would want to have it off so that they could keep old dumps around for a while 00:11:37 right, they hit # and it won't get deleted upon save 00:11:37 %git ccf6f9e 00:11:37 07elliptic02 * 0.12-a0-651-gccf6f9e: Add dump_on_save option (elliott). 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 6 files, 18+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccf6f9e495ee 00:12:12 ??elliott ideas 00:12:13 I don't have a page labeled elliott_ideas in my learndb. 00:12:19 ??elliott 00:12:19 elliott[1/8]: disregard the elliott 00:13:01 hrm, probably just showing the dump link in tiles chat like we do for a requested char dump is best 00:13:05 anyway, it is documented in options_guide.txt! clearly Grunt should read it more frequently 00:13:28 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:13:43 Huh? What's options_guide.txt? 00:13:45 <_< 00:15:04 gammafunk: perhaps on the spectator list, the "player" who's playing will be "player (dump)", clicking 'player' takes you to profile, clicking 'dump' takes you dump? 00:15:33 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:15:46 Grunt: A collection of twiddles and toggles that expedite your trip 00:15:57 down a violent road to death. 00:16:17 hmm, animated tiles 00:16:40 player (char) most likely, yeah that works as well 00:16:55 Medar complained about puting hyperlinks in the stat area before 00:21:56 !bug 8286 00:21:57 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8286 00:22:04 oh yay, another webtiles bug 00:28:58 buggy ugly thing (02u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 8 | HP: 25-57 | AC/EV: 3/9 | Dam: 13 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 196 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:28:58 %??ugly thing col:blue 00:29:18 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:29:27 vul: silver 00:29:35 ...have I just not seen that before now? 00:29:43 |amethyst added it recently 00:30:08 I immediately went to check for that :b 00:32:14 -!- Eonwe1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:37:15 red ugly thing (05u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 8 | HP: 29-57 | AC/EV: 3/9 | Dam: 1104(fire:8-15) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32), 05fire, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 196 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:37:15 %??ugly thing col:darkgrey 00:37:21 ...ok 00:41:01 Crash On Zig Entry by WalkerBoh 00:42:19 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:31 grey = red 00:47:41 I think ugly things have their color set programmatically, which will override the vault define bit 00:47:47 minotaur (04H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 53-89 | AC/EV: 5/7 04(headbutt) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(52) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1089 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:47:47 %?? minotaur 00:47:48 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:52 minotaur (14H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 53-89 | AC/EV: 5/7 04(headbutt) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(52) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1089 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:47:52 %?? minotaur col:darkgrey 00:47:56 yeah, that's why 00:48:16 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 00:48:43 well "programmatically" is a poor choice of words; they get it set later on some special-cased ugly thing monster creation code 00:50:00 green ugly thing (03u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 8 | HP: 25-57 | AC/EV: 3/9 | Dam: 1308(poison:17-28) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32), 03poison | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 196 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:50:00 %??ugly thing col:green 00:50:03 white ugly thing (15u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 8 | HP: 25-57 | AC/EV: 3/9 | Dam: 1312(cold:8-23) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32), 02cold | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 196 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:50:03 %??ugly thing col:white 00:50:27 It's actually because darkgray/black is the "unspecified" colour. 00:50:57 ...for that ugly code <_9< 00:50:59 s/9// 00:51:17 ??ugly thing col:black 00:51:17 I don't have a page labeled ugly_thing_col:black in my learndb. 00:51:21 bad monster colour "black" in "ugly thing col:black" 00:51:21 %??ugly thing col:black 00:51:52 bad monster colour "orange" in "ugly thing col:orange" 00:51:52 %??ugly thing col:orange 00:54:18 bad monster colour "chaos" in "ugly thing col:chaos" 00:54:18 %??ugly thing col:chaos 00:54:26 buggy ugly thing (05u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 8 | HP: 25-57 | AC/EV: 3/9 | Dam: 13 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 196 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:54:26 %??ugly thing col:fire 01:03:27 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 01:06:42 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:06:42 buggy ugly thing? O_O; 01:07:41 rat (03r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 01:07:41 %??rat col:green 01:07:55 red ugly thing (05u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 8 | HP: 25-57 | AC/EV: 3/9 | Dam: 1304(fire:8-15) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32), 05fire, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 196 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 01:07:55 %??red ugly thing 01:07:58 buggy ugly thing (02u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 8 | HP: 25-57 | AC/EV: 3/9 | Dam: 13 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 196 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 01:07:58 %??red ugly thing col:blue 01:08:01 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:08:15 gammafunk...do what? 01:08:20 butterfly (16b) | Spd: 25 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-8 | AC/EV: 0/25 | fly | Res: 06magic(4) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 01:08:20 %??butterfly 01:08:27 bad monster colour "chaos" in "butterfly col:chaos" 01:08:27 %??butterfly col:chaos 01:08:31 butterfly (02b) | Spd: 25 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-8 | AC/EV: 0/25 | fly | Res: 06magic(4) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 01:08:31 %??butterfly col:blue 01:09:10 bad monster colour "etc_chaos" in "butterfly col:etc_chaos" 01:09:10 %??butterfly col:etc_chaos 01:09:13 too bad 01:09:21 unknown monster: "chaos butterfly" 01:09:21 %??chaos butterfly 01:09:37 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:47 bad monster colour "purple" in "naga hd: 1 col:purple" 01:09:47 %??naga hd: 1 col:purple 01:09:55 unknown monster: "naga 1" 01:09:55 %??naga hd: 1 col:cyan 01:10:01 naga (10N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 1 | HP: 3-8 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 17, 303(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(8), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sp: spit poison (d5) | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 01:10:01 %??naga hd:1 col:cyan 01:10:04 bad monster colour "ETC_FIRE" in "butterfly col:ETC_FIRE" 01:10:04 %??butterfly col:ETC_FIRE 01:10:28 1 xp for killing a naga hehe 01:10:39 hellephant (04Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 5-12 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic, !sil | Res: 06magic(6), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2 | Sp: fire breath (3d2), blink | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 01:10:39 %??hellephant hd:1 01:10:42 heh: ETC_DISCO = 96, 01:10:47 hellephant (04Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 136-201 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic, !sil | Res: 06magic(133), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3124 | Sp: fire breath (3d40), blink | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 01:10:47 %??hellephant hd:0 01:10:56 ASSERT(power > 0) in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 261 failed. 01:10:56 %??hellephant hd:-18 01:10:56 left disco out of the spreadsheet 01:11:04 ASSERT(power > 0) in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 261 failed. 01:11:04 %??hellephant hd:-9 01:11:10 hellephant (04Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 100 | HP: 774-941 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic, !sil | Res: 06magic(666), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: fire breath (3d200), blink | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 01:11:10 %??hellephant hd:500 01:12:29 I'm guess 15000 is XP cap and 3d200 is the cap on that attack's power? 01:12:34 hellephant (04Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 100 | HP: 774-941 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic, !sil | Res: 06magic(666), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: fire breath (3d200), blink | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 01:12:34 %??hellephant hd:700 01:12:46 hellephant (04Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 50 | HP: 377-473 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic, !sil | Res: 06magic(333), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: fire breath (3d100), blink | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 01:12:46 %??hellephant hd:50 01:16:28 I don't think there are usually power caps on those, that one just happens to hit a round number 01:16:39 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 100 | HP: 217-281 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | !sil | Res: 06magic(133) | XP: 7167 | Sp: b.inaccuracy (12d153) / b.inaccuracy (12d154) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 01:16:39 %??rat hd:100 spells:bolt_of_inaccuracy 01:17:38 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:18:02 12d154 sounds kind of strong 01:19:41 Unknown spell name: 'refridgeration' in 'Refridgeration' 01:19:41 %??ice fiend hd:100 spells:Refridgeration 01:19:52 Unknown spell name: 'refridgeration' in 'refridgeration' 01:19:52 %??ice fiend hd:100 spells:refridgeration 01:20:00 Unknown spell name: 'ozocubu's refridgeration' in 'Ozocubu's_refridgeration' 01:20:00 %??ice fiend hd:100 spells:Ozocubu's_refridgeration 01:20:08 Fannar (12e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 80 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 8 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1007 | Sp: b.cold (3d18), refrigeration, sum.ice beast, 04esc:blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:20:08 %??fannar 01:20:17 Unknown spell name: 'refrigeration' in 'refrigeration' 01:20:17 %??ice fiend hd:100 spells:refrigeration 01:20:25 huh? 01:20:48 Unknown spell name: 'refrigeration' in 'refrigeration' 01:20:48 %??ice fiend hd:100 spells:refrigeration 01:20:56 well, it doesn't just hate you 01:21:43 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:21:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:04 plant (03P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 100 | HP: 505-614 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sp: hellfire (3d20) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 01:22:04 %??plant hd:100 spells:hellfire 01:22:23 that appears to have a cap. 01:22:42 kraken (05X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 100 | HP: 1237-1356 | AC/EV: 20/0 | Dam: 50 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(400), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 15000 | Sp: hellfire (3d20) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 01:22:42 %??kraken hd:100 spells:hellfire 01:24:12 Fannar's Ozo's doesn't say its power thanyways. 01:26:21 afaik hellfire does fixed damage 01:26:29 (3d20) 01:27:35 kraken (05X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 1 | HP: 10-16 | AC/EV: 20/0 | Dam: 50 | cold-blooded, !sil | Res: 06magic(4), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 2 | Sp: hellfire (3d20) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 01:27:35 %??kraken hd:1 spells:hellfire 01:28:19 what about player Hellfire? ...Ds mut and Dispater's staff...I think it's Dispater's staff... 01:29:27 idk. ask sequell 01:29:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0a1/20140313030202]] 01:29:33 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31:42 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:08 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:13 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:36:59 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 01:40:19 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:41:13 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:43:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:46:47 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 01:50:44 Ozruta (L14 DsGl) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 611: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Elf:1) 01:50:54 !crashlog Ozruta 01:50:55 1. Ozruta, XL14 DsGl, T:23352 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Ozruta/crash-Ozruta-20140317-065044.txt 01:52:07 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:52:07 ah, meleed spectral weapon after asterion died 01:52:07 -!- us17_ is now known as us17 01:52:08 -!- us17 has quit [Changing host] 01:53:33 bunch of crashes have involved monster::res_negative_energy in this way 01:53:42 should just do a return if the monster isn't alive 02:03:52 !learn add gammafunk todo: Ozruta's XL14 DsGl; can just add a return to ::res_negative_energy, but how did the meleed sw apparently die before end_spectral_weapon(). 02:03:52 gammafunk[12/12]: todo: Ozruta's XL14 DsGl; can just add a return to ::res_negative_energy, but how did the meleed sw apparently die before end_spectral_weapon(). 02:06:51 ?/todo 02:06:51 Matching terms (4): dieseltodos, lorc_todo, todo_monsters, todo_wizlabs; entries (14): chris_patches[4] | craterc[2] | gammafunk[1] | gammafunk[2] | gammafunk[3] | gammafunk[4] | gammafunk[5] | gammafunk[7] | gammafunk[10] | gammafunk[11] | gammafunk[12] | ponderinghat[1] | swissstopwatch[3] | vaultedit[2] 02:07:09 ??vaultedit[2 02:07:09 vaultedit[2/2]: hangedman's todos: update shown features, tiles; allow putting in text and seeing the vaultedit load that vault; direct links to vault philosophy guides shown for newcomers; dragging around tiles display, expanding it; hovertooltips??; 02:07:14 ??vaultedit 02:07:14 vaultedit[1/2]: Webtiles meets vault making: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15495351/vaultedit/vaultedit.htm 02:09:22 oh. that vaultedit looks interesting 02:14:57 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:16:33 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3348-g998ff18 (34) 02:16:36 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:50 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:55 -!- moonprincess has quit [Quit: Sayonara, Zetsubou Sensei!] 02:27:33 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 02:35:11 -!- Medra is now known as Medar 02:37:11 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:38:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:38:49 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:45:06 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46:01 -!- G_Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:46:28 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:50:56 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:51:05 gammafunk: The poison display patch looks good to me. 02:53:07 gammafunk: "var poison_bar = full_bar;" line seems pointless, can just me var to the next line. 02:54:44 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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Use !messages to read it. 06:48:19 !messages 06:48:20 (1/1) |amethyst said (19h 6m 30s ago): excellent! 06:50:23 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 06:52:05 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 06:54:53 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:27 -!- sd1989 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:56:31 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:02:29 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:05:08 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:17:35 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:17 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:19:58 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:45 -!- Ratgina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:27:00 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:29:15 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:29:34 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:21 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:32:21 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32:23 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:32:43 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:57 -!- tgcid has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:47:19 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 07:52:12 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:54:26 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:55:43 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:01:50 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 08:04:04 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:18 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 08:11:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:28:40 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:49 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:35:53 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:10 -!- Keanan has quit [Client Quit] 08:40:02 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:49 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:42:25 -!- Keanan has quit [Client Quit] 08:47:14 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:52:44 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:53:14 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:11 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:04:07 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:04:56 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:07:44 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:53 -!- LIX has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:11:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:17:09 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:30 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:05 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:29:41 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:29:41 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:29 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:32:57 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:28 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:31 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:38:54 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:19 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:41:26 -!- rast- is now known as rast 09:41:33 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:43:08 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 09:44:26 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:44:53 -!- gammafun1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:46:38 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:47:34 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:23 -!- Rjs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57:18 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:10:52 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:55 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:11:19 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:43 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:13:57 -!- rast- is now known as rast 10:14:36 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:16 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3348-g998ff18 (34) 10:17:57 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:18 -!- sstrickl has quit [Read error: No route to host] 10:20:41 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 10:25:54 kilobyte: hey man - do you know/think that mingw from wheezy is stable for crawl builds? or should I go with vanilla again? 10:26:03 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13.1-28-g3517093 (34) 10:28:26 Napkin: kilobyte has retired 10:28:26 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:28:52 !messages 10:28:52 (1/1) ChrisOelmueller said (2h 39m 35s ago): i'll let it settle for a couple more weeks, but thanks! 10:28:53 dpeg: but not from his knowledge ;-) 10:29:37 that is true 10:29:40 anyways, heading home o/ 10:29:43 have fun! 10:36:00 -!- whig has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:58 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:38:58 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:41:26 I can't imagine that anything in a stable release would not be rock soild... 10:42:01 (re mingw, sadly not necessarily Crawl!!!) 10:44:23 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:45:17 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:46:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:54:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:01:08 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:16:06 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:16:13 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:16:19 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:18:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:24:40 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:15 -!- odiv_ is now known as odiv 11:27:18 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:34:01 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:53 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:37:11 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:40:21 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:42:01 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:51:18 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:10 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 11:58:48 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:58:51 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:59:42 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:00 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:01:45 If any devfolk are around, can I ask about the likelihood of my mermaid description changes patch being accepted? 12:02:02 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:26 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3348-g998ff18 (34) 12:05:22 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:33 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:08:39 dpeg: since when? 12:10:54 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:07 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:09 -!- rast- is now known as rast 12:11:34 Wensley: what since when? :) 12:12:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:18 dpeg: can I ask about the likelihood of my mermaid description changes patch being accepted? 12:12:43 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:13:47 Lasty: yes, although I am not overly concerned with descriptions. Can you link the diff (or paste in private /msg)? 12:14:58 dpeg: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8264 12:15:07 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:15:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:16:33 Lasty: it's fine by me, will comment. 12:17:29 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:18:08 -!- notnotcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:18:20 -!- FiftyNine has quit [] 12:18:32 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:49 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:21:43 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:24:05 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:53 dpeg: Thanks! 12:28:25 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:28:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:31:05 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:36:30 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:11 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 12:45:19 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:40 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:46 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:50:12 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:50:23 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:51:03 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:53:19 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:55:36 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:55 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:41 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:10 -!- jeffro has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 13:01:45 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:45 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 13:01:45 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:48 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:01 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:03:41 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:39 -!- soundlust|2 is now known as soundlust 13:08:04 -!- Fengor_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:09:00 -!- wat1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:11:34 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:22:29 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:27:53 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:29:37 -!- rast- has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 13:33:31 -!- Lachman has quit [Client Quit] 13:36:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 13:43:39 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:44 -!- nonethousand is now known as n1000 13:44:52 -!- Isabelle is now known as Isasaur 13:45:04 -!- n1000 is now known as nonethousand 13:45:12 -!- nonethousand has quit [Changing host] 13:45:12 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:59 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49:29 -!- yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:56:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:56:15 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:59:09 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 14:06:27 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:07:08 -!- HellTiger__ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:07:39 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:08 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:22 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:24 -!- rast- is now known as rast 14:13:08 hm 14:13:21 I seem to have mingw up and running and it seems to be capable of Crawl-building... 14:13:51 -!- Rjs- is now known as Rjs 14:14:00 (I'll have to ask the Nappy a couple of questions about what cdo has done in the past, because I can spot a couple of discrepancies?) 14:19:04 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:21:04 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:24 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:27 -!- Nivim has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 14:28:39 -!- ystael_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:32:24 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:34 -!- boredom has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:43:12 ReDead (L3 FoFi) ASSERT(idx < 5) in 'tilepick.cc' at line 5694 failed. (D:1) 14:45:18 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:45:49 -!- Ungaros has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:48:07 -!- jameyd has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 14:49:59 -!- CampinSam has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:27 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:10 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:00 <|amethyst> !lm ReDead crash -log 14:57:01 5. ReDead, XL3 FoFi, T:505 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/ReDead/crash-ReDead-20140317-194311.txt 14:57:25 <|amethyst> oh, ancient version 14:58:04 <|amethyst> "ancient", but two commits before the fix 15:00:38 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:07:12 -!- Isasaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:07:21 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:09:02 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:45 -!- jameyd has quit [Client Quit] 15:14:02 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:14:35 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:15:11 -!- fufumann has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:17:27 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 15:18:11 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 15:21:24 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:26 spellforged servitor (138) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 80 | AC/EV: 10/10 | 11non-living, spellcaster, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 607 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 15:23:26 %??spellforged_servitor 15:23:33 hd9 15:27:40 I see, that's only at power 0 15:28:01 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30:29 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:15 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:31:39 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:31:49 hrm, I see a potential problem 15:36:59 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:08 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:39:40 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:42 -!- Guest62734 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:40:48 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:42:05 -!- gnum has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:51:51 -!- kilobyte_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:53:33 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:54:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:57:57 !tell DracoOmega at mon-behv.cc:878 you're comparing a grid distance with ::distance_from() to a spell range; those are supposed to be used as r^2 values with e.g. ::abs() 15:57:57 gammafunk: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 15:57:58 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 15:58:41 * wheals mumbles something about circles 15:59:01 !tell DracoOmega This seems to have the effect of just letting the servitor set firing position at a greater range than which it can fire an "ideal range" beam, not sure it matters much 15:59:01 gammafunk: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 15:59:32 wheals: I think there are a few incorrect uses of grid_distance when r^2 values should be used as I grep grid_distance() in the code 15:59:57 maybe we can just move to squarelos and use grid distance for everything and be happy in 0.15 16:00:26 !learn add gammafunk 0.15 todo: sqaurelos 16:00:26 gammafunk[13/13]: 0.15 todo: sqaurelos 16:00:33 that's unlucky 16:00:41 * dck points at wheals and mumbles some strange words. wheals' line of light looks suddenly squared! 16:01:15 also 16:01:30 !learn edit gammafunk[13] s/sqaure/square/ 16:01:30 gammafunk[13/13]: 0.15 todo: squarelos 16:02:03 gammafunk: we've been there before :) 16:02:12 dpeg: thoughts on squarelos? 16:02:24 Circle vs square, the Real Crawl Schism 16:02:32 Am I the only one that likes the new ritualists? 16:02:35 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:02:37 I think technically from both a code and gameplay perspective, it will work better 16:02:38 gammafunk: phew, I think it's hopeless 16:02:43 Bcadren: probably not 16:02:51 gammafunk: hopeless to reach concensus, I mean 16:03:03 line of light? 16:03:05 dpeg: who are the main devs that dislike squarelos and what are their reasons, in your mind? 16:03:36 it's not just aesthetical, IIRC, there have been actual gameplay differences pointed out that felt really negative to some 16:03:49 Now that Snake's variety has improved someone should really fix up Tomb...I don't just mean the layout. 3 types of enemies total [4 if you include the Tomb:1 Sphinxes] probably makes it the least varied branch in threats sa well. 16:04:03 When I was first thinking about it, I didn't realize that ray distance (r^2 values) would also be replaced with grid distance; with that last change I can't think of why it's not better 16:04:13 You can get liches in Tomb occasionally. 16:04:21 and orcs 16:04:22 i believe kb's main problem was that it encouraged diagonals very strongly for some things? 16:04:24 (I've wondered about putting a few in some subvaults <_<) 16:04:37 was it exploration? 16:04:38 Bcadren: "should really fix up tomb" = five words... works spend on this: none yet 16:04:40 Grunt: oof in tomb: y/n? 16:04:52 iirc it was something like a 10-20% diff in tiles revealed per move vs circlelos 16:04:52 wheals: yes, I think so 16:04:53 * Grunt gestures. The great blast of hellfire engulfs gammafunk! 16:04:58 dpeg I'm confused? 16:05:06 orb of hellfire 16:05:12 with hellfire storm 16:05:15 :( 16:05:16 dpeg: how soon you forget my super not-so-secret patch work!! 16:05:17 ah, tiles revealed, I suppose that's an actual issue 16:05:23 Bcadren: it's a lot of work. We don't need agendas, we need ideas 16:05:27 Grunt: I don't! 16:05:36 I do 16:05:45 Grunt is subvaulting tomb to allow new designs! 16:06:14 My felid lich tomb vault will be the first to go in, and then the octopode lich one....>_> 16:06:31 rip tomb 16:06:34 no, but the first thing Grunt is actually doing 16:06:40 should be neat way to get some variety there 16:06:52 what is the first thing grunt is actually doing? 16:06:59 PleasingFungus: let me dig out the patches... 16:07:05 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:07:07 Bcadren: a good way about it: suggest specific monsters, just one. 16:07:07 the first thing I said before talking about felid liches 16:07:22 felid mummies 16:07:24 historically accurate !!! 16:07:29 yesyesyes! 16:07:32 PleasingFungus: <3 16:07:36 they have death curses that do what though? 16:07:42 they come back..angrier? 16:07:48 felid mummy might not be a bad thing, but we need to have a spell set unique to them... 16:07:51 gammafunk: they stop purring! 16:07:54 nooooo 16:07:55 <3 16:07:58 mummy priest (05M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 10 | HP: 51-77 | AC/EV: 8/7 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1092 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 16:07:58 %??mummy priest 16:08:04 PleasingFungus: http://sprunge.us/jgcT 16:08:09 unknown monster: "greater mumy" 16:08:09 %??greater mumy 16:08:14 greater mummy (16M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 183-210 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6192 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 16:08:14 %??greater mummy 16:08:14 I do actually like the idea of enemies that come back angrier when they die 16:08:23 <|amethyst> If you mummify a felid, you get both a felid and a felid mummy 16:08:23 new monster: greater than mummy 16:08:31 We already have a greatestmummy! 16:08:32 natasha is boring, so if you make a reverse natasha, you get an interesting enemy 16:08:33 Grunt: I told chei about this...oh right you were in that chat; he seemed interesting in making some vaults 16:08:33 Khufu (04M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 240 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 8802 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead, 04esc:t.doroklohe | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 16:08:33 %??Khufu 16:08:34 ??? 16:08:34 I don't have a page labeled ? in my learndb. Did you mean: !, #, &, *, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, d, o, t, v, �. 16:08:39 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:39 gammafunk: yup! 16:08:45 I'd take a stab too, I think! 16:08:50 |amethyst: oh, something I meant to ask you before I forget. 16:08:56 ahh 16:08:57 huh 16:08:59 that's interesting 16:09:05 don't touch Khufu, I gave him cool, historically accurate speech lines =) 16:09:16 ??� 16:09:16 teleporter[1/2]: Common vault feature defined in lua, most prominent over in zigsprint. Instantly teleports the player over to a pre-defined square when stepped on, usually for no reason whatsoever. 16:09:22 |amethyst: how likely do you think it is that your monster spell set thing will be able to be done within a major tag version? 16:09:39 <|amethyst> Grunt: fairly likely 16:09:49 |amethyst: just thinking of this in terms of the prospective tag version bump. 16:09:51 * dpeg is afraid that 0.15 won't be able to hold all the stuff he has on his list already 16:10:14 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:10:15 You pick up DCSS 0.15-a. You are overloaded. 16:10:16 solution: smaller increments: 0.15.1 16:10:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:10:32 I was actually thinking of ideas for Felid monsters in general. Mostly what I had though was a Hex-specialist (since enemies don't use Hexes that much) and a self-berserking monster that's invisible until you get close (uses a Jump Attack when you get within 3 spaces) [deadlier, but non-poison trapdoor spider in practice] 16:10:43 If there are things that could possibly benefit from a major tag bump, I'd want to do all those at the same time. 16:11:10 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:32 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:38 oh, why we maybe have his attention 16:11:43 gammafunk: hm? 16:12:10 |amethyst: I wanted to maybe move set_hp/set_mp/inc_hp/dec_hp/calc_hp/...a bunch of other hp/mp functions into the player class 16:12:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:12:27 <|amethyst> Grunt: I would like to have a framework for tracking enum changes and automatically shift them 16:12:42 <|amethyst> s/shift/shifting/ 16:12:50 These are not always consistently used, which I'm going to clean with a commit in this patch to fix deterministic poison display in webtiles 16:12:53 Bcadren: monster hexes are hard: slow,confuse,paralysis,mesmerise exist (with paralysis despised), enslavement,polymorph break player-monster symmetry 16:13:00 dpeg: he speaks in ancient egyptian? 16:13:08 wheals: of course! 16:13:10 but I move leave the moving into a method part until 0.15; not sure what's the cleanest way to do it 16:13:16 <|amethyst> Grunt: so that we can reorder enums in the future without breaking anything 16:13:28 i think paralysis is a much better mechanic than monsters confusing the player for what that's worth 16:13:28 as in, should I make you.hp private and have you.hp()? 16:13:30 What about a Mummy Conjurer: Bolt of Draining, S.Torment, Bolt of Cold. Higher HD/HP than the other mummies, but no summoning. Or at very least making the Priests and the greater Mummies more different. 16:14:09 crate: I didn't judge, I just listed 16:14:15 @The_monster@ queries, "My people built me a pyramid - what did your people build for you?" 16:14:27 yes but i'm curious about why you said "with paralysis despised" then 16:14:33 PleasingFungus: feels good to be Khufu! 16:14:40 <|amethyst> gammafunk: If you do make you.hp private, it might be a good idea to make the accessor and setter inline 16:14:41 crate: because that what it is 16:14:48 players only don't hate confusion because it does nothing but use one !curing 16:14:50 players hate being paralyzed. it's well established 16:14:59 crate: sure 16:15:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: you may have noticed, we don't use private very much :) 16:15:29 people also hate losing hp 16:15:31 yes 16:15:40 please removing losing hp 16:15:45 |amethyst: so that's just the inline keyword, nothing else special I need to do? 16:15:49 Seriously Greater Mummies are a bit faster, stronger in melee range and higher HP...but same spell list as Mummy Priests. Need to change that. 16:15:49 I find it is a large factor in many games that I have lost 16:15:53 (You stand defiantly in death's doorway!) 16:15:59 Bcadren: why 16:16:02 <|amethyst> gammafunk: no, just put the implementation inside the class 16:16:10 <|amethyst> gammafunk: instead of just a prototype 16:16:17 !lg * !won status=deaths'_door 16:16:21 No games for * (!won status=deaths'_door). 16:16:21 oh, I see 16:16:22 !lg * !won status=death's_door 16:16:23 No games for * (!won status=death's_door). 16:16:24 didn't realize that made it inline 16:16:28 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it has to be in the header, or the compiler can't inline 16:16:29 my favorite monspeech lines are the puns that require multiple lines of tortured explanation beforehand 16:16:35 ah 16:16:38 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and putting it in the class automatically inlines it 16:16:51 @The_monster@ whispers @to_foe@, "Not even holy moly will save you." 16:16:52 hence the way coord_def is defined 16:16:56 are at least part of it 16:17:08 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:17:10 I guess it's all that way, but it's split into two headers 16:17:14 for some reason I don't understand 16:17:17 Personally I'm a fan of a lot of the subtler Donald dialogue. 16:17:17 some in externs.h 16:17:23 s/dialogue/lines/ 16:17:24 Tomb is dull. I seriously think so. Guardians are too weak to bother with; Priests and Greaters are basically the same thing... 16:17:27 some in coord_def.h I think? 16:17:34 guardian mummy (08M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 7 | HP: 37-55 | AC/EV: 6/9 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(46), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 329 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 16:17:34 %??guardian mummy 16:17:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk: coord.h are functions (not methods) that have to do with coordinates 16:18:02 oh no, some in coord.cc 16:18:23 |amethyst: there are coord_def methods in coord.cc 16:18:31 I guess it's the "not inlined" ones 16:18:33 Easiest way to win Tomb: 3? Cast control undead immediately (enslave all the Guardians). Read a Scroll of Noise. [get all the greaters and priests to enter your horder of guardians.] 16:18:38 oh no 16:18:44 ...this belongs in learndb somewhere. 16:18:58 <_< 16:19:00 I feel I don't say that all that much.... 16:19:18 gammafunk: in, say, "goodcode" or wherever >_> 16:19:27 (not actually goodcode; that should be for actual code and not reactions to it) 16:19:49 oh no is indeed a common reaction to looking at crawl source 16:19:54 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yeah... 16:20:00 1learn add 16:20:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk: keep in mind that any change to externs.h requires rebuilding pretty much everything 16:20:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and the same holds for anything it needs to #include 16:20:30 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 16:20:40 right, although I can't imagine coord_def changes much 16:20:47 but enum.h is the worst 16:20:54 that does get changed a lot 16:20:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:21:25 chimera (greater mummy, deep elf annihilator, Ice Fiend) (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 185-211 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35, 12, 2512(cold:15-44) | evil | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 13neg+++ | Vul: 04fire, 08holy, 11silver | XP: 2291 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), blink, b.lightning (3d20), b.cold (3d24), 04esc:sum.undead | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 16:21:25 %??greater_mummy-deep_elf_annihilator-ice_fiend chimera 16:21:37 Something like that. :) 16:22:01 <|amethyst> And the problem, as I understand it, is that splitting enum.h AppHdr.h and friends makes PCH worse 16:22:22 oh, but do most people use PCH? I was warned against it 16:22:22 <|amethyst> also, most files will depend on more than just one component of enum.h 16:22:29 <|amethyst> no, not most people 16:22:58 yeah, it just seems that some splitting of those enums would help a bit; I guess not really all that much in the end maybe 16:24:08 at the very least I can move calc_hp() out of "skills2.cc" 16:25:52 pch? 16:26:04 pre-compiled headers 16:26:37 there's a PCH=y define recognized in the crawl makefile iirc 16:27:19 <|amethyst> Grunt: my thoughts on enum tracking: 1. add a (#defined to nothing) SAVED macro, so we can write enum SAVED monster_type 16:27:30 Using it can cause weird issues sometimes, from what I hear 16:28:04 <|amethyst> Grunt: 2. write a script in util/ that parses those writes a easier-to-parse summary, along with the version tag 16:28:26 <|amethyst> Grunt: 3. save those to a file or directory that is saved in VC 16:29:34 <|amethyst> Grunt: 4. write another script to compare the summary to last version's, and if necessary generate conversion code and add a minor version 16:30:41 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:31:21 <|amethyst> Grunt: to handle enumerators that are removed and then re-added, it might be better to generate converters from each relevant minor tag in this version 16:32:22 |amethyst: this sounds like it would be good to get ready for the major tag bump if/when that happens. 16:33:28 <|amethyst> oh, 5. Make sure everything that marshalls one of those goes through a proper function and not marshallInt etc 16:33:37 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:07 <|amethyst> which might be tricky for some lua stuff? But usually lua marshalls names I guess 16:34:47 and here I thought my "hp functions to methods" thing was complicated 16:35:26 I need to read the save code to see what the marshalling is actually doing 16:35:55 At least why/when we have to do minor tags and how we handle save compat is no longer a mystery 16:36:49 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:38:55 -!- _miek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:41:32 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:42:10 new tournament banner: most unprecedented death 16:42:22 die a death that has never happened before 16:42:40 ...right, we do need to think of banner ideas :b 16:42:41 that can be makh's, he loves deaths 16:42:44 <|amethyst> !lg * killer~~posthum 16:42:44 1. Zicher the Severer (L16 FoBe of Trog), slain by posthumous revenge on Snake:3 on 2014-03-13 09:06:14, with 106647 points after 33732 turns and 2:41:31. 16:43:08