00:03:18 -!- bananaken has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:04:25 -!- appleKen is now known as bananaken 00:06:29 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3207-g29e27d4 (34) 00:09:13 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:09:20 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:22 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:13:34 -!- rast- is now known as rast 00:14:08 -!- Krakhan|2 is now known as Krakhan 00:14:09 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 00:15:59 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:18 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:21:29 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 269 seconds] 00:32:26 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41:30 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: ac13] 00:44:14 -!- Kyon has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:50:33 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:52:17 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:53:18 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:55:29 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:58:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:06:58 -!- nubcakes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:09:59 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:10:07 so do you guys think that's a fair change? letting wardens only seal one stair at a time? 01:10:22 the closest stairway to the player 01:10:30 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:10:36 -!- SeianVerian_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:36 it'd still make stairdancing more challenging without making it impossible 01:10:38 it still messes you up if the v:5 stairs area is swamped with guys 01:10:39 could be worth a try 01:10:41 yeah 01:10:53 I maintain that vault sentries/marks are in more of a need of a nerf 01:11:02 but they don't seem to make people as angry, for some reason 01:11:18 well 01:11:39 its not so much that it makes me angry, it's just that i think it's rather unfair when they're both working in conjunction on v:5 01:12:08 I'm not talking about you specifically 01:12:10 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:12:15 -!- SeianVerian_ is now known as SeianVerian 01:12:19 lots of people get mad at wardens 01:12:27 because they obviously block off options I guess 01:12:31 if you get marked once on v:5 and stuff gets dragged to the stairs and there happens to be a warden in that pack of monsters 01:12:34 whereas sentries fuck you in a less direct way 01:13:08 its just borderline impossible to get rid of the wardens 01:13:17 and good luck living long enough to wait out the timer 01:14:45 maybe shortening the door lock timer to something relevant would also be good 01:14:48 like, 5 turns or something 01:14:53 as it is, it's not a real thing 01:15:04 locks end when the warden dies or you leave 01:15:19 that sounds fine too 01:22:22 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:27:30 -!- Nstar|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:31:36 -!- stickmanbob has quit [Client Quit] 01:32:17 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:36:41 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 01:38:08 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 01:39:05 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:39:57 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:41:44 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:30 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 01:49:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:53:45 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:57:37 -!- rorriMnm1D has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:03:54 -!- utrick has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:46 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:07:24 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 02:09:09 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:09:35 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:28 -!- Mad_Wack is now known as Mad_Wack_Away 02:12:28 -!- Mad_Wack_Away has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:16:37 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-3207-g29e27d4 (34) 02:20:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24:43 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:25:48 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:32:49 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 02:36:16 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:45:19 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:48:17 -!- Laraso_ has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 02:51:03 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:02:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:02:29 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:08:38 -!- _159 has quit [Client Quit] 03:17:41 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:29 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:20:48 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:04 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:24:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:33:13 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:41:28 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:44:04 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:45:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:47:25 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:48:00 should I report this on mantis? Unlinked item held by dead monster: giant club 03:51:00 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:55:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56:34 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:59:42 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:04:18 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:09:16 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:09:50 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 04:18:58 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:26:08 -!- ac13 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:27:01 -!- utrick has quit [] 04:30:10 -!- Nexos is now known as fdel 04:31:28 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:31:51 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:05 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 04:45:28 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:51:37 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:56:25 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:57:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:59:22 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:04:29 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:13:46 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:14:10 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:18:01 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:18:21 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:19:42 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:19:56 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:22:45 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:26:30 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:26:56 gammafunk: more power to you! (Plan sounds good.) 05:26:57 dpeg: You have 7 messages. Use !messages to read them. 05:30:19 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:35:24 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:36:18 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 05:36:37 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 05:40:42 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:44:21 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:45:00 -!- jmbto has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 05:49:01 gammafunk: I support the glyph change, but I also think it should wait till 0.15. 05:53:52 dpeg: yes, I was thinking maybe only some might go in for 0.14, but of course all could wait as well 05:55:14 gammafunk: just a hunch.... maybe better to do go whole yard in one step 05:55:14 -!- ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:55:32 otherwise a mini-discussion after the first chunk could prevent the second 05:55:46 a whole yard in one step, is that a german expression :) 05:55:53 I like it either way 05:56:25 I suppose it wouldn't use "yard" if it were german 05:56:27 whatever :) 05:56:42 going the whole hog 05:56:51 the whole shebang 05:57:10 yeah, I'll just plan to keep any patch to post 0.14, then 05:59:22 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:59:48 -!- Grujah_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:01:53 !tell Grunt cool super extra secret patch. I might get some ambition there, but I can also pass the word along to cheibrodos when I see him, perhaps after you merge it. 06:01:54 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 06:04:28 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:16:37 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:20:21 -!- rorriMnmaD has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:21:05 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:34:29 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:35:31 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:41 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:41:03 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:42:21 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:43:14 -!- Zileas has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:38 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:02:24 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:07:13 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:12:45 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:13:18 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:15:12 -!- Adumbration has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:17:55 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:46 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:21:34 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:03 -!- Giomancer has left ##crawl-dev 07:30:19 !tell grunt What's your cool super extra secret patch 07:30:20 Lightli: OK, I'll let grunt know. 07:32:03 !tell Grunt just to be specific as to which super extra secret patch I'm talking about, I mean the one that removes all of lightli's vaults. 07:32:04 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 07:33:39 -!- SublimeSnake has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:36:45 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:38:25 -!- MiraclePrism has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:38:38 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:40:05 -!- Sgeo_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:44:46 * dpeg hopes it's the disabling of tiles for release. 07:50:18 !tell grunt Wait nevermind, apparently it removes all of gammafunk's vaults 07:50:23 Lightli: OK, I'll let grunt know. 07:51:56 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:55:44 -!- the_glow has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:55 bah, the TeSk died to poison 08:03:10 what kind of developing scum allows D:2-4 to feature nothing but venomous monsters!!?! 08:03:35 your kind 08:03:55 !lg dpeg recent s=ikiller 08:03:56 434 games for dpeg (recent): 30x, 26x an orc wizard, 23x a centaur, 23x an orc, 20x a gnoll, 19x a kobold, 18x an ogre, 18x an orc priest, 12x a hobgoblin, 11x a jackal, 9x a sky beast, 9x an orc warrior, 8x Sigmund, 7x an adder, 7x a killer bee, 6x a hippogriff, 6x a troll, 6x Grinder, 6x a giant gecko, 6x a worker ant, 5x an ice beast, 5x a goblin, 5x a scorpion, 4x a centaur warrior, 4x Grum, 4... 08:04:41 yokelz: that is alright! But shouldn't they have the decency to send more rats and bats against fellow developers? 08:05:14 fr: give dev team rpois in all games (without wiz mode) 08:06:08 a good start, but not nearly enough: some of us want to win occasionally -- we need the full Comfort Deluxe Edition for Developers 08:07:59 Bad bodypart name in jelly passive acid damage message while in spider form by nagdon 08:10:07 -!- gammafunk has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:23:09 johnnyzero (L17 DEAK) ASSERT(!in_bounds(you.pos()) || !cell_is_solid(you.pos()) || you.wizmode_teleported_into_rock) in 'main.cc' at line 4424 failed. (Vaults:3) 08:23:18 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:24:10 hmm... i corrupted a sealed door and then walked through that tile 08:24:23 !lm . crash -log 08:24:24 14. johnnyzero, XL17 DEAK, T:51594 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/johnnyzero/crash-johnnyzero-20140311-132303.txt 08:26:32 Standing on/in/over feature: sealed door 08:33:37 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:33:49 -!- Lightli has quit [] 08:36:54 !tell Napkin Ich weiss, dass das nicht deine Hauptprioritaet ist, aber telnet 345 crawl.develz.org geht noch immer nicht. Wenn das so bleibt: soll ich eine Ansage auf der Webseite machen? 08:36:55 dpeg: OK, I'll let napkin know. 08:38:21 Stepping on corrupted sealed door location causes crash by johnnyzero 08:38:28 johnny0: thx! 08:43:37 warum, was los, dpeg? 08:43:37 Napkin: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:45:13 david@david-P5K:~$ telnet 345 crawl.develz.org 08:45:13 telnet: could not resolve 345/crawl.develz.org: Servname not supported for ai_socktype 08:46:07 you have the host and socket reversed, that is an error on your end 08:46:15 dpeg: well, you should try telnet crawl.develz.org 345 :) 08:46:20 -!- dpeg is now known as dumbeg 08:46:26 you will have a similar message though ;) 08:46:30 but then you get a different error 08:46:40 david@david-P5K:~$ telnet crawl.develz.org 345 08:46:40 Trying 2a01:4f8:161:5002::2:2... 08:46:40 Trying 5.9.54.26... 08:46:40 telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused 08:46:47 now much smarter =) 08:47:00 -!- dumbeg is now known as dpeg 08:47:02 * bhaak takes notes about not offering dpeg a QA position 08:47:52 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:48:22 bhaak: I have two standard replies for annoying customers: "May I suggest that from now, the discourse is only conducted by those with brains larger than a grape?" and "So, ihr stumpfsinnigen Blechkoepfe, jetzt hoert mal zu." My kids demand regularly that I start a lecture with the second one <3 08:49:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-3208-g44e9c07: Update some references to potions of speed 10(10 hours ago, 5 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44e9c077103a 08:49:02 Napkin: yes, what's going on there: is this temporary? 08:49:47 keine hektik, Mensch ;) 08:49:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:50:04 hehe, Napkin follows Chei to the tee 08:51:39 MarvinPA: thanks, good catches 08:52:59 -!- Wolpertinger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53:13 fr titanic slime creatures not actually be size small 08:53:41 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:54:30 Sequell: good point. Is this size (that of slime creatures) relevant for anything? 08:54:44 Sequell <--> SeianVerian 08:54:59 they're not small 08:55:21 Well according to Sequell they are 08:55:22 even better :) 08:55:41 sequell is a less reliable source than crawl 08:55:43 titanic slime creature (03J) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 215-380 | AC/EV: 1/4 | Dam: 110 | amphibious, regen | Res: 06magic(44), 03poison, asphyx, 12drown | XP: 907 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 08:55:43 %??titanic slime creature 08:56:35 * dpeg paternally scolds Sequell. 08:57:25 To be honest I don't actually know of any effects besides constriction where size is relevant. But eh 08:57:40 (Not that you would probably want to constrict a titanic slime creature anyway) 08:57:45 number of chunks? Or is that weight derived? 09:07:15 versuch nochmal, dpeg 09:07:20 bugs bitte alle melden 09:08:33 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:09:34 Napkin: tut jetzt 09:13:29 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:35 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:22 * SeianVerian Ich spreche kein Deutsch. 09:14:48 Napkin: super! 09:15:19 SeianVerian: but writing is not so bad :) 09:16:01 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:16:13 MarvinPA: your reaction on the forum looks like it's from me. So much spite <3 09:16:19 German is one of those languages I might be interested in learning but I'm not dedicated enough to 09:16:23 heh 09:16:24 (I fully relate, to be clear) 09:16:28 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:16:58 SeianVerian: I wouldn't know why, unless you want to read some philosophy or art in the original version. 09:17:03 i try to avoid it normally but that comment in particular was pretty impressively entitled 09:17:16 Eh, I dunno. Seems like a mildly interesting language is all 09:17:32 There are others I might learn first 09:17:35 But I probably won't 09:17:52 MarvinPA: absolutely 09:18:30 SeianVerian: not sure where you are from... we Germans have to learn a couple of languages at school. Most are happy not to touch any other. 09:18:42 I'm from the US 09:19:42 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:11 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:19 I know a number of (otherwise well-educated) US Americans who don't speak foreign languages. Canadians are better in that regard, though the French of most Torontians we met was lousy :) 09:20:34 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:47 dpeg: we Americans are remarkably xenophobic and self-involved 09:21:13 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:22:47 Lasty2: you don't have these traits exclusively, don't worry! 09:23:26 * SeianVerian is just remarkably lazy 09:23:41 I'd recommend learning chinese or russian though! 09:23:58 My underdeveloped native is Russian. 09:24:30 and i can attest that it is Good Fun 09:24:32 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:24:46 da da 09:24:54 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:02 reaverb: Thanks for the potion patch!! 09:26:05 dpeg: Sure. Sorry I missed thing bits MarvinPA had to clean up. 09:26:07 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:26:11 who is running the summoning branch? 09:26:22 dpeg: The one on cszo? 09:26:27 yes 09:26:56 whoever is designing and coding the new summons should be interested in Sar's comments about monster abjuration 09:27:20 cszo: Eventhing in the branch is what DracoOmega recently merged. |amethyst says he has to restart webtiles to remove it, so he won't until he has to. 09:27:45 ok, I think CDO is open for games 09:27:51 huzzah! 09:27:53 no updating infrastructure yet, though 09:27:53 !beer Napkin 09:28:18 !tell DracoOmega Perhaps interesting: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=11284 09:28:18 dpeg: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 09:29:23 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:30:08 dpeg: Since I'm already talking to you, I should tell you I already started work on a remove chunk eating patch. 09:30:36 oh! :) 09:30:56 "monster abjuration" 09:31:09 more like "everyone but you know mass abjuration" amirite 09:32:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:59 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:33:23 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:26 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 09:39:46 Please tell me that chunk eating would actually be replaced by something else 09:39:56 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:10 SeianVerian: Permafood gives more nutrtion/permafood drops more. 09:40:36 Okay. Could work 09:40:56 Though IMO just get rid of the food clock entirely if you're gonna get rid of chunks 09:42:06 SeianVerian: what? No 09:42:38 I didn't play many roguelikes before crawl, but the few that I did I usually starved since I couldn't find enough food 09:42:41 that wasn't fun 09:43:27 starving itself is unfun, the process of not-starving can be loads of fun 09:44:49 In my first win I was near starving and didn't have any food. That was pretty fun :) 09:44:55 chunks pretty much don't matter. with a god that likes sacrifices I don't eat chunks to speak of except very early on, just sac all corpses. no food problems. (might need to guarantee a little more food on d:2-3, that's when it seems to matter most. maybe more often and include d:1 for troggies) 09:45:38 geekosaur: There are a lot of complex food assurance mechanisms already in the game because of spriggans. 09:45:52 only a fool would embark on an adventure without plenty of food 09:46:15 and if chunks are removed you could just give people more to munch on right off the bat 09:46:47 Crawl PCs are all fools and/or incompetent exiles or something anyway xP (at least when they first enter the dungeon) 09:47:15 Or fucking cadets or something and the dungeon is 99% of their actual training 09:49:26 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:50:03 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:00 damn 09:56:05 MD was popular 09:56:19 baffling but true 09:56:41 when was it removed again? 09:57:03 1890 09:58:44 about two and a half years ago now 09:59:05 MDFi is at 256 wins, MiFi is currently the most won combo at 511 wins 09:59:24 powers of two <3 09:59:42 since when is 511 a power of two 09:59:53 Autoexplore algorithm bug by adamo901 09:59:55 ALMOST 10:00:32 quick, someone win a mifi. then remove it so it sticks :p 10:00:57 rename Mi to Mt 10:01:19 or even Mr 10:01:39 MrBee 10:01:54 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:02:25 -!- Bcadren has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:27 !tell buppy Originally I approached you yesterday to talk about details for final randart ability. We didn't get around to that... just contact me in some form. Thanks! 10:03:27 dpeg: OK, I'll let buppy know. 10:06:57 speaking of randarts 10:06:59 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:07:08 uniques should probably have more than 1% to have them if that goes through 10:07:34 since that's 1% of a maybe useful and maybe good artifact 10:11:57 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:12:46 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:13:24 Bloax: we have lots of uniques, and most have several items. This adds up. (Yes, 1% might be too conservative... gotta start somewhere.) 10:13:52 there are a lot of uniques but not all of them have items 10:14:05 * dpeg has tasted blood: players are already campaigning for another lock! The unique lock. 10:14:23 kill all uniques in d:1-5 10:14:41 or d:6 will spawn snorg at the stairs 10:14:51 Bloax: when players hear "randart", they always seem to think "endgame worthy stuff". Much more important than randart loot would be egos, imo. 10:15:21 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Excess Flood] 10:16:56 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:12 dpeg Anything? 10:18:31 ? 10:18:33 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:19:26 Wanting to know if/when you'll have time for either email I sent to you only. lol 10:19:40 Speaking of artefacts, I like the idea of a fixedart that ramps your offense, spells, and stats way way up but leaves you with a huge, HUGE penalty to durability 10:22:45 ring of ogrekill 10:23:55 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 10:24:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:18 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 10:24:49 Well? lol 10:26:18 I like the idea of a fixedArt rod that turns itself into a snake when evoked, then back into a rod after the snake dies or a set number of turns. [Technically a rod that contains Sticks to Snakes and can only use it on itself.] 10:27:01 great serpentine rod 10:28:26 -!- Mateji has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:29:23 -!- Venter_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:32:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:34:22 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:25 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:34:54 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:19 <|amethyst> Tukima's Serpent 10:35:19 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:36:45 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:39:19 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:39:52 -!- Nstar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:40:13 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:40:54 -!- ainsophy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:00 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:42 <|amethyst> !tell wheals resent and sent an email 10:41:43 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:41:49 <|amethyst> !tell wheals s/resent/reset/ 10:41:49 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:41:54 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:44:45 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:48:08 -!- ainsophy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:50:37 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55:00 * Bcadren fidgets. 11:07:08 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:08:06 ScarletJ (L9 VpWr) (D:9) 11:08:18 that's unseemly 11:11:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:13:21 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:16:40 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:18:10 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:18:46 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:57 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:23:54 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:50 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:57 ScarletJ (L10 VpWr) (D:10) 11:26:21 Wand of Paralyze, Wand of Dig 11:26:25 rolls off the tongue 11:26:57 just like 'why the hell would you even think of that' 11:27:45 !crashlog scarletj 11:27:46 5. ScarletJ, XL10 VpWr, T:5086 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ScarletJ/crash-ScarletJ-20140311-162553.txt 11:28:04 ...how informative. 11:28:43 -!- tsn has quit [Client Quit] 11:28:52 %git 29e27d4 11:28:53 07reaver02 {wheals} * 0.14-a0-3207-g29e27d4: Potion of speed => Potion of haste 10(15 hours ago, 40 files, 66+ 66-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=29e27d4c4692 11:29:00 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:01 zzz 11:29:12 %git 11:29:12 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-3208-g44e9c07: Update some references to potions of speed 10(12 hours ago, 5 files, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44e9c077103a 11:31:04 rip potions of speed 11:31:30 ScarletJ (L10 VpWr) (D:10) 11:32:05 also yay at my vaults finally making it in 11:33:58 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:34:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:10 ScarletJ (L10 VpWr) (D:10) 11:38:48 I just found a graphic bug. (Tiles). If you convert to Beogh via the ability button in the fancy sidebar...the entire sidebar disappears 11:41:01 there's also a gameplay bug (i.e. that tiles exist) 11:41:38 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:41:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:42:43 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:58 Grunt: What's that super secret patch of yours anyways 11:43:32 <|amethyst> Lightli: if he told you, it wouldn't exactly be super-secret, would it? 11:43:40 good point 11:43:46 <|amethyst> particularly in a public channel :) 11:43:54 oh god, it's the rumored "remove lightli" patch isn't it 11:44:12 <|amethyst> 11:44:57 this is a secret channel, it's ok 11:45:20 Since racial weapons are going, perhaps an acid resistant brand (to replace the Dwarven version, but with stronger effect to make up for it being in the brand slot) is worthwhile. 11:48:01 why 11:48:40 if anything, just make all items have dwarven corr resistance 11:48:58 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:49:18 mean people took that away from chris's patch 11:49:56 I've talked about this patch of mine here previously anyway - I was working on subvaulting Tomb, which would then need new subvaults. 11:51:14 gasp 11:51:15 changing tomb 11:51:56 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:52:09 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:09 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 11:52:09 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:05 Grunt: the path is clear: every single of the 34 active devs is forced to make a Tomb subvault at gunpoint. "Tomb subvault OR eternal banishment!" 11:53:17 blammo, you have 34 vaults 11:53:26 well, we only really need 27... 11:54:02 dpeg: best get to work then! 11:54:09 well, so we can even afford to shoot the seven worst vault makers! 11:54:15 * Bcadren fidgets. 11:54:22 Subvault? 11:54:32 Grunt: if you tell me what you need, I can try to contribute, sure. 11:54:37 Note to self: no shops in Tomb! 11:54:39 http://sprunge.us/KdTb 11:55:20 Not until after 0.14 of course! 11:55:27 Grunt: amazing -- you stand in the footsteps of Enne (he subvaults V:$). Very cool! 11:55:31 of course 11:56:18 If the Forgotten is ever approved...I'm not sure if it should be available as early as Temple gods, but regardless...there needs to be a perma-altar placed in Tomb: 1. Jussayin' 11:56:28 dpeg: a potion shop that only sells degen/decay 11:56:50 Eronarn: to anoint the bandages, when they get fluttery? 11:56:56 Bcadren: I *will* comment 11:57:20 dpeg on the email messages or something? *confused* 11:57:38 Bcadren: also, it's not about approved. Someone has to take a liking to the thing.... so much as to want to code it. 11:57:50 I can approve stuff all day without anything happening. 11:58:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:59:47 I can code, but Crawl is..spaghetti and a half. 12:01:00 everyone and their granny say how readable the code actually is by now 12:01:12 (and that includes Linley and Linley's granny) 12:01:28 meh, it's relatively doable to read some code 12:01:37 even I can understand enums 12:03:54 * Grunt was digging through the 2.80 code recently to trace god development. It was a nightmare. 12:04:06 Grunt: did you make notes?? 12:04:18 dpeg: I have some notes at home! 12:04:22 REVEALED: THE GENESIS OF THE GODS 12:04:29 Grunt: would you send them to me? 12:05:24 dpeg: I'm not done yet - still need to go through the three gods that were added in 3.00, 3.10, and 3.20 respectively :) 12:05:54 Grunt: regarding the Tomb subvaults, I suggest you ask for content once the tournament is over, via c-r-d and forum. Will get you lots of good maps, I will also make one. (including Ptah's shoe shoppe) 12:05:58 (Vehumet, Nemelex, Yred respectively) 12:06:13 Grunt: wow, I am moved 12:06:25 Vehumet so late... who would've thought? 12:07:14 Grunt: since Linley has replied to me (and in a good mood) -- should I ask for some source code? 12:07:21 There were traces of them in 2.80 (and of everyone in 2.70), but nothing definitive. 12:07:24 or is your collection complete? 12:07:48 dpeg: it is not! I really want the early 2.x series. 12:08:18 The early history of Pan and othet branches is still very opaque to me. 12:08:40 Grunt: alright... I don't think that it's matter of days at this stage (video game archeology :), I will ask him when the opportunity presents itself. 12:08:53 Grunt: ah, may be best to ask you beforehand 12:08:59 -!- Stendhal has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:32 Thoughts on god-specific Portals/Branches? Or Heavens? 12:10:18 why 12:10:39 -!- Zileas has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:10:53 Bcadren: yes, not worth it 12:10:58 definitely not branches 12:11:10 everyone underestimates the effort to make a branch :) 12:11:35 portal vaults... perhaps (if design and theme align very well) 12:12:38 -!- BirdoPrey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:12:42 (0.14 todo: figure out what to do with TSO volcano layout) 12:13:57 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:12 Heavens, I see as an opposite to hells with themes that aren't found anywhere else. [Of Healing [Ely] (all enemies constantly heal each other, thus you need to kill them in one turn or pull them out separately); Of Electricity [Zin] (Electric immune enemies that keep shooting through each other and constantly cure any positive muts you have); Valhalla (Honorable dead and Demigods trying to gain enough power to become gods); Holy [of 12:16:48 cut at "Holy [of T" 12:17:30 ...I admit that's huge; but it's floating as a concept...God Portals is more like...Sif having a physical library; Okawaru sending you to 'honorable combat' (level appropriate physical battles; be like a Bailey at Level 12ish; be full of Demigods at level 27, etc.)...that kind of thing. 12:18:03 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:31 ; Holy [of TSO] Somewhat like Holy Pan, but having more kinds of monsters and some of the natural ones (including the branch boss) being weak to Draining/Necro (supposedly what TSO is protecting)] 12:18:49 flavor: ok. gameplay benefit: needs justification 12:19:25 suggesting "let's make the game substantially longer" will take a silver tongue 12:19:30 Bcadren: nonethousand is right. We are having trouble to fully justify Pan and (less so) the Hells. 12:21:10 ...maybe this should be considered an alternative 12:21:19 ditch the full ones, replace with portal vaults 12:21:35 It's a hells parallel, you could only go to one in a playthrough. The challenges are different, but they are as hard. Also they are reverse branches (going to 5 is going UP a lot of upstairs and every floor is full of shafts/holes to send you back) 12:21:58 agh no stop 12:22:00 just stop 12:22:09 Bcadren: I see what you mean, but populating a new branch is a major effort. 12:22:19 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:30 it is much, much better to start with portal vaults 12:22:53 remember how when hive was removed there were plans to repurpose it into a portal vault? 12:23:07 remember how spider nest was a portal vault before it was a branch? 12:23:29 (whatever happened to hive portal vault anyways? no interest?) 12:23:42 no potential 12:24:12 You can't make levels out of one enemy. 12:24:46 well, they did it back when Hive was a branch 12:24:57 (this of course was why Hive was removed) 12:25:28 -!- Blazinghand|Work is now known as Blazinghand 12:25:58 I tried to come up with an interesting system, where having just one enemy is not so bad, because they're stealing your loot (food). 12:26:29 That was doomed, because food never was appropriate loot. Perhaps people will campaign for Hive portal vaults once chunks are no more :) 12:26:39 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:26:59 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:25 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:53 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:29:19 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 12:33:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:36:59 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:37:58 Hive might be feasible, if the bees were batty and there were more inds of enemies...It is high fantasy afterall...ALL the bugs working together is feasible...afterall some fothe Sewer portals are only Kobolds. 12:38:30 batty bees? just stop 12:39:05 Eronarn: hey, not so abrasive... some of us, including you and me, are renowned for volleys of insane ideas just as much 12:39:23 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:39:38 Batty Bees would be a huge power boost to bees...And make them a lot more different than ants, since they are currently quite similar. 12:40:23 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:25 dpeg: as i recall there were plenty of people willing to call my dumb ideas dumb 12:40:31 Bcadren: I don't think you can make bees a really interesting enemy. I do think you can have a fun little race where you've got to kill the bees as quickly as possible, or the loot is gone. 12:41:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:41:22 Bcadren: here is what I've written up four years ago: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:dungeon:branch:hive&s[]=hive 12:43:00 Where was Hive? I came around after its removal. I mean the mini-hive vaults that show up on Lair 1 can be deadly enough 12:43:07 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:44 killer bee (07k) | Spd: 20 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 1008(poison:7-13) | fly | Res: 06magic(12) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 63 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 12:43:44 %??Killer bee 12:43:50 soldier ant (16a) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-45 | AC/EV: 8/10 | Dam: 1408(poison:13-22) | Res: 06magic(24) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 157 | Sz: Medium | Int: insect. 12:43:50 %??soldier ant 12:43:56 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:44:07 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:07 worker ant (05a) | Spd: 12 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 808(poison:7-13) | Res: 06magic(12) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 34 | Sz: small | Int: insect. 12:44:07 %??worker ant 12:44:18 ??hive 12:44:18 hive[1/1]: Very fun branch that was removed in 0.9. Contained a lot of fun bees and fun honeycombs and fun royal jellies. 12:44:18 what's this about pan and hells 12:45:00 I forget but it was surprisingly late. Grunt's research will exhibit whether Linley is to blame or, even worse, one of his successors. :) 12:45:01 Killer Bees seem like the most didn't of those, but the stats don't...oh, it's the evasion/Spd combo isn't it? 12:45:18 to blame for? 12:45:25 coming up with a broken branch 12:45:50 The hive is a broken branch? 12:45:52 Hive never worked: when we started to make the game smaller, it started by taking two levels off Hive (it used to have four!!!) 12:46:23 four levels of basically one monster... does not scream for design awards, won't you think? 12:47:04 I still say if you made all the...huh. Now there's an idea. 12:47:42 You could claim the same of the Spider's Nest, you know...only there are 4 kinds of spiders and each is very different. 12:47:52 if you want a single monster type, the correct building is a 10x10 vault with lots of structure, not a four levels long branch. 12:47:59 spider's nest is very much unlike hive 12:48:38 Bcadren: if you have access to an old source, you can have a quick look in wizmode. You didn't miss anything by never seeing Hive, we improved the game for you by cutting it. 12:48:59 It is a long thing of mostly one kind of monster, only Spiders have enough unique types to remain interesting (Orb, Wolf, Trapdoor, Jumping). 12:50:34 If you want to talk about dull though, Hall of Blades...there's like nothing to it. 12:50:41 The flavor is cool, but... 12:52:56 What if 'the hive' was brought back as a possible Spider : 5...but with a boosted unique 'Super Queen' whose berserk effect worked on all insects and was guarded by Ghost Moths and Red Wasps. 12:55:38 moth of wrath (04y) | Spd: 12 | HD: 9 | HP: 34-66 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 2505(rage) | fly | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 504 | Sz: small | Int: insect. 12:55:38 %??moth of wrath 12:56:20 There's your berserk-everything Spider:5 enemy. 12:56:22 Bcadren: If you want a unique to show up at a branch end it needs more that one end vault. Bees are pretty weak by the time your doing Spider, Spiders have more abilities which would be hurt by beserk, etc. 12:56:40 Bcadren: Also what Grunt said. 12:56:51 flavor wise I could see a chimeric queen insect ... but we've already seen how that kind of thing works in practice 12:57:13 Yea true enough, but Queen Bees had a greater durability for their depth...moths of wrath were little glass cannons by the time you reach them. 12:57:26 queen bee (08k) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 26-52 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 2008(poison:15-25) | fly | Res: 06magic(28) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 305 | Sz: little | Int: insect. 12:57:26 %??Queen Bee 12:58:34 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:42 Trog Vault with a Moth of Wrath by D:3 with the moth of wrath in a cage is kind of just free XP boost if you can break the cage (LRD or Digging) 12:58:54 um 12:59:01 moth of wrath (04y) | Spd: 12 | HD: 9 | HP: 34-66 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 2505(rage) | fly | Res: 06magic(36) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 504 | Sz: small | Int: insect. 12:59:01 %??moth of wrath 12:59:03 it is kind of hilarious and kind of tragic to watch somebody idea engineer freely in an environment that is almost certain to have a major purge pass through it in a month or two 12:59:23 -!- Fengor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:59:41 tenofswords: Is this environment Crawl in general or spider specifically? 12:59:51 (especially idea engineering that doesn't have that great grip of what currently exists as is made very obvious by that moth of wrath) 12:59:54 reaverb: former 13:00:33 tenofswords I beat that branch end...had 3 Emperor Scorps with one. 13:01:55 Ended up having a mostly UC character use Vampiric Draining because of how thick Emperor Scorp's armor is. Actually ran the first time (to make everything separate). 13:03:18 Bcadren: in the same vein of tenofswords' implicit suggestion, might I suggest that you focus on specific mechanical gameplay advantages your suggestions offer. Many people in this channel are immensely creative and some even have a flair for flavour. 13:03:24 tenofswords: hey, we are old and jaded; Bcadren is young and enthusiastic! 13:03:51 nonethousand: flavour, what's that? 13:03:56 FR: s/flavour/flour/ 13:03:58 I will say literally every time I finished the Swamp...I got TLH... 13:04:01 dpeg: you know you're a sucker for it! 13:04:13 (et moi, et moi) 13:04:17 flavour is something you play other games for, duh 13:04:17 * dpeg sucks on his flavour lollipop 13:04:37 Was the Enchantress/Forest Removed? [My one win was through there; I've never survived the crypt. 13:04:38 tenofswords: nah, not really. The art is to make flavour blend in seamlessly... this can be done. 13:05:06 can 13:05:14 Bcadren: yes, removed. The monsters migrated somewhere else, though. Apart from a few unfortunate ones who faced extinction instead. 13:05:59 nonethousand: how many forum people were in that story of yours? 13:06:11 ooh I think it's 9 13:06:15 but they're not all forum people 13:06:28 about half devs, half "important" players 13:06:35 I had an idea for an alternate branch end there...maybe it should move somewhere else instead of it being lost. The idea was for enemies to intentionally set forest fires against you, something that's never done normally. 13:06:38 true, 27891 does not post there 13:06:49 Use this little guy that doesn't exist outside of sprints. 13:06:52 I assume you found yourself, dpeg? 13:06:54 burning bush (05P) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 10/0 | 03plant, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 313 | Sp: p.flame (3d7) | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 13:06:54 %??Burning bush 13:06:57 yes :) 13:07:19 n1000, crate, dpeg, zipcode 13:07:53 amethyst 13:07:54 * Grunt arrives back home. 13:07:59 no idea who Bart is 13:08:07 A prolific tiles-er. 13:08:11 * Bcadren shrug 13:08:18 bart has hundreds of wins 13:08:23 grunt! 13:08:28 dpeg! 13:08:33 !apt mf 13:08:34 Mf: Fighting: 1, Short: 2, Long: 1, Axes: -2, Maces: -2, Polearms: 4!, Staves: -2, Slings: -2, Bows: -2, Xbows: -2, Throw: 0, Armour: -3*, Dodge: 3, Stealth: 2, Shields: 0, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: -2, Hexes: 0, Charms: 1, Summ: 0, Nec: -2, Tloc: -2, Tmut: 3!, Fire: -3*, Ice: 1, Air: -2, Earth: -2, Poison: 1, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: 0, HP: 0, MP: 0 13:08:35 "ellipsis" "grunt" "ho drakon, ho megas" 13:08:41 I should finish my set of god notes <_< 13:08:48 Grunt: no, I mean you feature in n1000's story, although only as a verb :) 13:09:05 nonethousand: stylish! Who is Ho drakon? 13:09:12 * Grunt grunts, as Grunt often does. 13:09:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:09:21 (grunt I found myself) 13:09:28 I thik "Ho Drakon Ho Megas" is supposed to be a greek invocation to the great dragon 13:09:40 but I got it from a Therion album 13:09:52 when didn't even play metal anymore :P 13:09:56 but what person? 13:10:02 Dracoomega of course! 13:10:09 oh my 13:10:13 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:10:34 "You have been very stupid. Stand in the corner for one hour." 13:10:35 oh also the merfolk praying at the shrine of Dagon is another tiles player shoutout 13:10:44 "4thArraofDagon" is his name (has a lot of high scores) 13:10:52 cool stuff! 13:11:09 hehe, thanks! 13:12:17 I've one twice TrEE and GrTm of Sif, they were similar runs so I've basically won once and repeated the process haven't done much else... 13:13:17 [Train UC only until meeting Sif, then focus Earth and Transmutation...end up using a lot of Tm, Ice, Earth and Charms] 13:16:02 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:05 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:56 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:18:59 Bcadren: going out of a bit, but one comment: in the last four or five years, we have added two branches (Shoals, Spider), cut one branch (Hive) and had one and a half failed branch attempts (Forest, Dwarven Mines). Adding a branch took really long (more than two release versions, each time). Coming up with an item, a spell, a unique, or designing a species, a god, a portal vault are all much, much saner activities than talking about branches. Whatever ... 13:19:05 ... we say here, it is extremely unlikely to lead to a new branch. On the other hand, everyone with a vision and some energy can make a portal vault himself. 13:19:33 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:20:50 It'd be more sane for me to make my own thing... 13:21:04 away from this game. inspired but not part of it. 13:21:06 dpeg: it's like a dagger through my heart that the same Therion who made Beyond Sanctorum made Symphony Masses... 13:21:13 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:22:28 Question Are all Portals a single or multiple possible vaults with limited randomness? 13:22:33 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:23:22