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Xom thinks this is hilarious. 12:02:18 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:02:24 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04:15 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:32 -!- syllogism has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04:53 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04:53 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:04:58 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 12:04:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:05:42 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:23 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:18 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:58 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:34 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:53 -!- Keanan1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:20:04 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2885-ge2f36c2 (34) 12:24:50 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:29:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:31:50 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:39 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:33:52 -!- sgiratch has quit [Changing host] 12:34:06 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:48 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:47 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:15 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:53:59 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:48 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:24 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:59:58 ...so, I'm borrowing hangedman's spreadsheet code to try to rebalance / clean up late D (and OOD) spawns since selection of those is used in a few places now. 13:00:10 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnzBASbyxWI2dHlkMGtnYTduUGpjX1N4bkZTMGZKV3c#gid=2 (compare the original sheet which is also in that spreadsheet) 13:01:04 doesn't look like that's set to public 13:01:04 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:01:09 oops 13:01:33 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:53 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:52 ...okay, try it again!! 13:06:10 * Grunt needs to leave right away, but edit at will <_< 13:07:31 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:18:43 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:33 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:20:02 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:21:55 -!- kr4n3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:24:23 -!- syllogism- has quit [] 13:24:23 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:25:50 MarvinPA: if you attempt to animate skeleton over deep water, it costs a turn. is that intentional? 13:26:08 if you cant get items from deep water i assume it is because it would be free to check for corpses otherwise i guess? 13:32:13 uhh i have no idea, items and deep water are weird 13:32:51 i remember my first mantis issue ever was reporting that animate skelly always took a turn :) 13:33:42 i might try to look into it 13:35:02 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:35:21 MarvinPA: oh i think i actually found the bug 13:35:34 i killed a hydra over deep water, tried to animate but i couldnt get a skeleton 13:35:44 so it just costed me 1 mp and a turn, multiple attempts were thes ame 13:35:46 same* 13:36:02 i just killed the lernaean hydra over deep water, so i attempted to animate skeleton and it didnt cost me 1 mp or a turn 13:36:02 hm i guess it should just always fail yeah 13:36:19 so i think it costs you a turn and mp if theres a corpse (or maybe if there isnt a corpse) 13:37:05 solution: animate water 13:37:27 solution: remove water 13:38:05 -!- LordSloth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:33 ??sunlight[$ 13:39:33 sunlight[2/2]: just make water into not-water 13:47:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 13:47:41 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:50:59 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 13:53:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:09 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:34 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:57:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:34 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:01 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:02:38 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:59 -!- Sokar_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:06:29 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:07:38 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:14:39 -!- jmbto has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:19 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:24 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:17 what up brosephs 14:17:59 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:19 -!- truemonolith has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:49 -!- edhmaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:27:53 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:32:52 the cloak of the thief should get a special price or the +fog prop should 14:33:05 since 159 gp for it is absolutely insane 14:34:22 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:29 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:34:52 mm 14:34:57 good price 14:35:02 but dam-3 14:36:14 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:40:40 cloak of the thief is the best item in the game 14:40:47 it should cost more than 159gp 14:41:04 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:25 -!- Basil has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42:34 !tell minqmay 10002 | D:8 | Bought the +2 cloak of the Thief {+Fog Dam-3 SInv Stlth++} | for 159 gold pieces 14:42:34 wheals: OK, I'll let minqmay know. 14:42:48 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:43:33 -3 dam, toss it 14:44:12 wheals: could just set its value in art-data.txt 14:44:33 i guess adding some high number for artp_fog is probably better though 14:44:59 and just use value for stuff where that wouldn't work (amulet of the air?) 14:45:09 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:45:33 oh that does have an artp too, cool 14:46:19 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 14:48:22 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:23 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:54:20 i assume it can't spawn on randarts? 14:54:30 it cannot 15:01:17 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:04:30 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:07:48 Should randarts have fixed prices? 15:09:27 <|amethyst> AreBrandon: unrands you mean? 15:09:37 <|amethyst> kind of difficult to give fixed prices to randarts 15:09:46 err, yeah unrandarts xD 15:15:20 if the pricing is problematic in that certain unrands get weird tags, that could be fixed instead? 15:15:46 don't see why coming up with the prices manually would improve things 15:16:51 is there anything in trunk that currently lacks tiles for 0.14? 15:17:00 (is there anything planned to happen to ratskin cloak) 15:17:00 vines were the last thing i'd taken note of 15:17:19 ratskin cloak should give you 1 point of damage shaving 15:17:32 or something 15:18:02 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:18:29 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 15:20:39 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:21:56 -!- Skjarl has quit [Changing host] 15:23:13 -!- crate_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:17 -!- Mottikins__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:20 -!- Turgon has quit [Changing host] 15:24:19 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 15:24:48 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 15:24:54 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:24:54 -!- imantor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:25:25 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:26 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:25:27 -!- Napkin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:25:28 -!- rast- is now known as rast 15:25:46 ontoclasm: other than meatsprint, I don't think anything is lacking. 15:26:02 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:26:20 -!- ldierk has quit [Excess Flood] 15:26:33 -!- popx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:26:34 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:26:34 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:27:00 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:06 -!- Sombrero_Mott has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:27:43 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:27:53 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Changing host] 15:28:05 -!- Zannick has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:07 -!- ToBeFree is now known as Guest65903 15:28:17 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:23 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:36 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:26 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:24 -!- Moredread has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:32:18 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Using leafChat 2] 15:37:45 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:53 ontoclasm: spell icons, possibly? Also a few monsters could use new tiles (would have to get at that mantis issue for a list...). 15:42:35 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:42:41 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:43:40 -!- Skjarl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:45:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:45:17 -!- Igxfl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:45:49 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:46:16 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46:18 -!- Guest65903 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:01 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:16 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:11 -!- Ququman_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:15 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:16 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:17 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:18 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:18 -!- yokelz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:19 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:19 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:20 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:20 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:20 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:20 -!- Keanan1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:21 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:21 -!- dpeg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:21 -!- CKyle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:27 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq is now known as Zannick 15:53:34 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 15:53:37 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53:37 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:54:01 -!- Mottikins__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:54:08 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:16 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:32 -!- popx has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:54:50 -!- Mottikins__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:39 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2886-g48a8b45: Update Dithmenos' name in db_lint. 10(37 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=48a8b4519972 15:55:39 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2887-gdc7c816: Remove unused descriptions and quotes. 10(32 minutes ago, 50 files, 1+ 461-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc7c8162d385 15:55:39 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2888-g61d0ccb: Add some missing descriptions. 10(17 minutes ago, 2 files, 22+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=61d0ccb1ca87 15:55:41 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:03 -!- QubeNub has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:56:20 |amethyst: doh, I knew I missed something <_< 15:56:20 <|amethyst> I'm sure those new descriptions could be improved 15:57:08 <|amethyst> shadow bolt/shard can only be cast through the dith mimic, right? 15:57:18 -!- Sokar_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57:18 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57:19 -!- Yuof has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57:26 <|amethyst> the player will never see a monster with the spell 15:58:08 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:58:09 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:58:09 <|amethyst> if so, could make the spell name lowercase, which tells gather_spells (and thus db_lint) that it doesn't need a description 15:58:13 <|amethyst> then remove those 15:58:14 will sometimes see the monster but can't xv it 15:58:33 -!- ayutzia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:59:25 -!- simmarine_ is now known as simmarine 15:59:59 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:00:56 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:23 -!- Laraso_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:05:50 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:08:32 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08:32 -!- ackack has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:33 -!- Stelpa has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:35 -!- ebarrett has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:35 -!- Moredread has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:36 -!- caleba has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:36 -!- yuri-hime has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:37 -!- jmbto has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:38 -!- the_glow has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:40 -!- Ququman has quit [*.net *.split] 16:08:40 -!- squimmy has quit [*.net *.split] 16:11:27 -!- minqmay is now known as 7JTAACOUB 16:11:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 16:11:45 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:47 -!- 7JTAACOUB is now known as minqmay 16:11:52 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:01 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:09 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:42 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:45 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:25:00 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29:39 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:54 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:57 -!- _fred has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:33:43 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:33:47 -!- Laraso2 has quit [Client Quit] 16:33:58 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:34:30 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:23 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:53 -!- yokelz_ is now known as yokelz 16:38:02 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:38:08 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:08 -!- caleba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:13 -!- yuri-hime has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:38 -!- rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:42:55 -!- Chris7 has quit [Quit: Don't push the red button!] 16:43:04 simmarine: do you remember what message you got when animate skeleton wasted a turn in water? 16:43:34 something about theres nothing here to animate 16:43:50 ill hop on crawl in a few minutes and do it again when im not busy 16:43:53 ontoclams: I just remember this from forever ago: The mummy restoration ability uses the old mummy monster tile. I made an updated one here: http://imgur.com/GRz8bvZ 16:43:58 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 16:44:14 nice name 16:44:48 ontoclasm: It also uses a differant potion icon (restore abilities) which better shows what restoration does. You can use or not the use the tile, I mainly wanted to note the problem. 16:45:14 -!- N78291 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:46:17 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:27 simmarine: aha, apparently if it is actually a skeleton under deep water, you can in fact animate it 16:46:41 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:41 as long as there is a non-deep-water nearby for it to be placed on 16:46:42 hmm i wonder if i was trying to animate a giant leech or something then 16:46:47 ah 16:47:00 yes i was pretty sure corpses were sacrificable when they were in deep water 16:47:02 but if it's a corpse rather than a skeleton it won't work at all, i think 16:47:07 oh interesting 16:48:50 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:49:00 looks like the default stack_iterator includes items that are in deep water 16:50:01 but the "butcher a corpse during animate skeleton" bit doesn't use the default, so it finds a corpse, then tries to butcher it but can't and so ends up wasting the turn 16:50:34 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:07 i guess probably a whole bunch of places should use the non-default and not let you mess with items in deep water 16:52:42 does anyone of you feel good in replying to Daniel on c-r-d? 16:53:00 I can comment on LO but not so much on Dj (haven't been around when that decision was made) 16:54:52 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:55:47 <|amethyst> I think he's on pretty much the same page as us, except 1. we're more quick to remove things when it looks like they won't work out and no one wants to fix them (Dj and the "thematic train wreck") 16:56:14 <|amethyst> and 2. VS got plenty of testing and tuning before it landed in trunk; I think it's good for 0.14 16:56:19 yes, I know 16:56:24 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:24 -!- oxens has quit [] 16:56:28 would be nice if he got some feedback 16:56:48 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:56:55 (Daniel was a member of the Crawl 3.* devteam. I think he sometimes even lurks here.) 16:57:15 -!- sf_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:58:29 <|amethyst> I'll reply 16:58:34 thank you 16:59:03 Hehe, |amethyst is actually a veteran by now and has to do stuff the whippersnappers won't :O 17:00:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:01:53 -!- Laraso has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:44 -!- Laraso has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:44 -!- ajikeshi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:06:57 Dj was a mechanic trainwreck more than a thematic one i'd say 17:07:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:07:30 perhaps, but it contained so many ideas that I would not be surprised if many people saw potential by restricting to some of them 17:07:38 of course, someone would have to come up with a plan 17:08:16 reaverb: awesome, thanks 17:08:36 You're welcome, ontoclasm. 17:09:35 Is anyone here familiar with the halftone branch? 17:10:02 i played some of it, also saw jj play a game on it recently 17:10:20 I do so, too, and I don't feel like I am getting spotting xp. :) 17:11:06 oh well that part worked at least 17:11:17 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-2889-gbdbfd34: Mummy restoration ability tile (reaver) 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdbfd3480b06 17:11:44 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:00 xp on sight strongly favors fast players and also there's no piety gain from things that aren't killing still 17:12:05 -!- whig has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:12:26 if you're okay with the first implication, there might be some ways to fix up the second 17:12:29 |amethyst: do you think it would be alright for me to test some LO changes on my experimental branch? 17:12:46 ChrisOelmueller: I don't see how either is a problem. 17:13:00 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:13:26 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:13:31 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:08 ChrisOelmueller: the intention was never that spotting xp allows you to ignore the killing game 17:16:47 in that case i'm not sure it adds much to the experience or fits dith's current theme very well 17:18:38 My idea was that just like pacifiers/summoners pay an xp surcharge, Dithmenoites get an xp bonus (via the additional spotting xp). That should be significant enough that not-killing things becomes a worthwhile option, it was not intended to be a playing style ("build") on its own. 17:19:12 there is no additional xp 17:19:21 in some sense, there is 17:19:51 you have the xp before the kill, if you never (or much later) kill, you get something like an xp loan 17:21:14 so you're idling around with a god at very low piety and occasionally have to rejoin 17:21:23 huh? 17:23:17 Excommunication at 0 piety 17:23:26 it is the other way around: every game has monsters you have to ignore for the time being, with D you actually get something for them 17:23:31 Basil: I know :) 17:26:27 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:26:28 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:27:21 Hmm, options_guide.txt paragraphs should rewrapped. Not all of it use the same column count. 17:27:59 But what should it be anyway? Looks like 72 is used for some parts. 17:28:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:50 Medar: not sure this has ever been consistent (I was the first one write the options guide.) Just pick a value between 72 and 80, if you feel like it. 17:30:04 Most of it is using 72 too it seems. 80 or 79 might be easier to maintain though. 17:30:26 Yes. I don't know if there is any value in shorter lines at this point. 17:31:34 I made a patch to fix the fact that x_chance_in_y(1,foo) is actually used in the code at serveral points. Posting it here because mantis is temporarily down: http://bpaste.net/show/183776/ 17:31:59 (i.e, that patch replaces those uses with one_chance_in(foo)) 17:32:18 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:32:29 ring shop with three hunger 17:32:35 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:31 -!- johlstei_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:29 dpeg: are you ok with the horn of geryon change? 17:43:15 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:43:15 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:43:16 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:43:17 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:43:17 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:43:17 -!- dpeg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:43:18 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:45:00 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 17:46:04 <|amethyst> buppy: I guess LO are related to smithing :) 17:47:08 <|amethyst> shorter than 80 is really only important for email and commits 17:47:26 <|amethyst> shorter than 79 anyway 17:47:35 <|amethyst> I can understand not wanting anything in the last column 17:48:26 |amethyst: On that note, how exactly do you make sure that commits have text breaks at 80 characters without having the check manually? I just set my terminal size to 80 horizontal, but I'd be nice to have a double check. 17:49:05 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 17:49:06 (Also, that patch I posted a few minutes ago may have a commit message line with excatly 80 chars…) 17:50:25 I have to say that Crawl never had more beautiful maps than now. 17:50:29 <|amethyst> commit messages should be 72 or at most 76, because git log adds spaces 17:50:39 <|amethyst> what editor do you use? 17:50:41 gammafunk: what is the current concept for Geryon's horn? 17:50:52 ??horn_of_geryon 17:50:52 horn of geryon[1/2]: Evoke it if you want to enter Hells in 0.13-. In 0.14 it's an xp-charged evoker (like an {elemental evoker}) that summons 1-4 hell beasts that are usually friendly. The number of beasts and the chance of each being hostile depends on evocations skill. 17:51:17 |amethyst: The default vim version in OS X snow lepoard. 17:51:20 fairly small change, didn't want to go overboard with it since it's always generated 17:51:51 <|amethyst> reaverb: :set tw=72 then do gqap to rewrap the current paragraph 17:52:01 gammafunk: sounds good to me. I seem to be the only one who thinks that whatever the horn does, it should be make some noise. (Perhaps because my father in law is playing the horn?) 17:52:10 haha 17:52:13 |amethyst: thanks for email 17:52:20 |amethyst: I have no idea what those commands mean or how to execute them. 17:52:29 gammafunk: so if you add a little noise on top of it, I'd be even happier :) 17:52:49 <|amethyst> oh, hm 17:52:54 |amethyst: Thanks for help, by the way. 17:52:57 Certainly could be arranged; not sure what the noise situation is currently 17:52:58 vim sets tw=72 for commit messages automatically, for me 17:53:16 gammafunk: what the heck, just take scroll of noise level 17:53:48 dpeg: It does check for silence, at least, and have "noise flavor text" 17:53:55 But I'll look into that 17:54:23 it's no biggie, my main concern was to keep the horn because I think it makes an interesting (not just gimmicky) quest item. 17:54:48 -!- Laraso_ has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 17:55:30 |amethyst: I'm assuming the ":set tw=72" is for my vim rc file? 17:55:39 might be called options file 17:55:47 -!- Cheibrodos has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:42 <|amethyst> you can just type that into vim in command mode 17:57:57 <|amethyst> press escape 17:57:58 |amethyst: you are a vi user? 17:58:25 <|amethyst> if escape leaves you in insert mode, you're in "easy mode", so press :set tw=72 17:58:39 <|amethyst> gqap likewise (no colon and no enter there) 17:58:43 <|amethyst> dpeg: yes :) 17:58:45 They are everywhere! 17:59:07 * dpeg uses emacs (but I am not a coder, I only use it for latex, and emacs is very strong there) 17:59:08 <|amethyst> dpeg: I used emacs for about 10 years though :) 17:59:13 <|amethyst> still use it for my email 17:59:23 oh, you can do both -- best of two worlds :) 17:59:29 <|amethyst> I usually use vim for my LaTeX these days, but do miss auctex sometimes 17:59:32 I tried emacs once, didn't like it much :) 17:59:32 * dpeg is ashamed to admit how many vaults he drew in Notepad 17:59:47 <|amethyst> TheDraw! 17:59:51 Keanan1: these editors are not of the sort that trying once will do 18:00:07 I know, I just have been using Vi since the early 80's so... 18:00:20 Medar: The people at apple saw fit to leave synthax coloring off by default. 18:00:42 |amethyst: I leared Ctrl-E (adds \end clause) and Ctrl-O (puts \begin{..} \end{..} environment) a few months ago. So good! 18:00:43 vim defaults are bad 18:01:04 bad defaults are bad... I hope Crawl's defaults are decent 18:01:06 I use: https://github.com/tpope/vim-sensible 18:01:10 people who use only one editor :p 18:01:28 |amethyst: I can get into command mode, and type ":set tw=72", but it doesn't do anything. The command doesn't even disappear. 18:01:58 it wouldn't, and it doesn't have an immediate visible effect 18:01:58 Only thing I don't like about vim defaults is the regex's special char list is inverted from what I'm used to: Having to use \( \) for paren grouping irritates the crap out of me. 18:02:20 I'd switch to vim, but I'm not sure I'd like it 18:02:27 <|amethyst> reaverb: press enter 18:02:27 although if you type :set and press enter it should show up 18:02:44 (in its long form, textwidth) 18:02:55 <|amethyst> reaverb: that won't do anything right away, but it tells the gq command (and other things) to wrap at 72 columns 18:03:03 |amethyst: what made you switch after 10 years? 18:03:16 <|amethyst> gammafunk: ssh 18:03:39 MakMorn: are you also Maglorn? 18:03:55 dpeg: I am. 18:04:01 ah, hey! 18:04:03 <|amethyst> gammafunk: the fact that I didn't want to wait for emacs with all my packages etc to load 18:04:10 Keanan1: very magic makes parens work right 18:04:15 How's it going? 18:04:18 MakMorn: Why the heck did you apologise for using c-r-d? That's its whole purpose! 18:04:33 * geekosaur suggests tramp for emacs... 18:04:34 I'm not one of th e"in crowd". 18:04:35 Great to see you play the game. It's been quite some years, eh? 18:04:35 But it also does other things you should consider before using it 18:04:44 Oh yes. 18:04:58 |amethyst: Yeah, I tend to run it locally and only start it on reboots 18:04:59 Been playing since Linley ported to Linux 18:05:09 that was before 1.0? 18:05:15 <|amethyst> gammafunk: same here, like I said I use it (vm) for my email 18:05:15 2.1 or so. 18:05:17 -!- Blazinghand|W has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:05:25 Soemthing in the 2's 18:05:32 <|amethyst> though actually I use xemacs still for that 18:05:48 <|amethyst> and keep telling myself I'll switch to mutt at some point 18:05:55 Can't recall the name of the guy who helped him port. 18:06:11 MakMorn: did you have any contact with Brent? I am asking because I tried to meet him (well, I sent him emails) when I was in Toronto for a year, but to no avail :( 18:06:40 multiturn = indicates long actions (wearing armour, dissecting etc.) 18:06:42 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 18:06:43 Hehe, dissecting 18:06:50 dpeg: None other than when we were developing 18:06:58 Then he went off the air 18:06:58 MakMorn, I don't suppose you happen to have any old code from the early 2.x series, for that matter? I've been trying to track that down for a while to trace the development of a few things. 18:07:19 * Grunt must head out again, but figured he would ask before leaving :) 18:07:27 hey, Grunt will use any opportunity for source archeology <3 18:07:32 Grunt: I wish I did. I have scanned my hard drives for it, but founf nothing 18:07:34 -!- t4nk437 has quit [Client Quit] 18:08:17 |amethyst: I think I got it. 18:09:11 I wonder if "yahoo groups" still exist and have code. 18:09:56 |amethyst: does ":set tw=72" last indefinetly, or would I need to use it each time I start up vim? 18:10:31 you can put it in .exrc or .vimrc 18:10:36 leave off the colon 18:10:49 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 18:11:02 You might not want tw=72 for everything though. 18:12:02 Medar: I do not use vim for anything except Crawl, although that may change if I learn enough about vim from this project. 18:12:45 -!- Stelpa6 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:13:14 What do you edit? tw=72 is really only good for commit message and potentially some documentation files. 18:14:07 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 18:15:34 Medar: Ok, thank you. 18:16:23 Is there an easy way to check my patch above ( http://bpaste.net/show/183776/) is in compliance? If it isn't, is there a way to easy edit the patch? 18:16:33 -!- Laraso has quit [Client Quit] 18:18:05 Well, I just look at the diff (git log -p or whatever) in 80 wide terminal myself. 18:18:28 It adds one column for the +- but it's easy to see if something is too long anyway 18:18:52 Medar: Well that was the method I was using to make sure if It was not too long before! :P 18:19:13 Yeah, you could too fancy stuff git precommit hook or something, but... 18:19:21 It's a good idea to look through the diff couple of times anyway 18:19:48 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:19:54 In this case your commit message is too wide, but other than that it's fine. 18:19:55 Ok, it's too long. Guess I'll just —amend it. 18:20:32 Righ. This is where that tw=72 gqap stuff works. 18:22:04 If you don't want to use 80 wide terminal when editing code, there is also :set colorcolumn=81 18:22:17 Medar, alright, I fixed the patch. 18:23:27 http://bpaste.net/show/183788/ 18:23:35 Medar: Thanks for you help, by the way. 18:27:12 Looks good. 18:27:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: BRB, DEAD] 18:28:32 That's a weird email address you have :) 18:29:46 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 18:29:58 -!- daek_ is now known as Daekdroom 18:32:32 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2890-gcbac8da: Add tile_font_*_family settings for WebTiles. 10(5 days ago, 7 files, 69+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cbac8daddf4a 18:32:32 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2891-g077b0fa: Fix messages sometimes being duplicated in WebTiles. (#8202) 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=077b0fa31e11 18:32:32 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2892-g608f08d: Wrap more of message_store code within ifdef USE_TILE_WEB. 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=608f08d4e8de 18:32:32 03reaver02 {Medar} 07* 0.14-a0-2893-ge61cbc8: s/x_chance_in_y(1,/one_chance_in(/ 10(76 minutes ago, 4 files, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e61cbc8dec16 18:34:49 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:32 reaverb: Messing with vim settings and looking through the commands is definately worth it if you are going to be using it. 18:37:34 reaverb: Do you use ctags? 18:38:04 Medar: Any suggestions where to start? I know about the wiki, and managed to use the levdes rc file and enable coloring synthax, but I don't know much beyond that. 18:38:09 Basil: What are ctags? 18:38:37 Shows programs like Vim where function definitions and such are 18:38:38 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:39:01 so that if you place the cursor over a function name and ctrl-], it will jump to that definition 18:39:11 anywhere in the project. 18:39:55 Basil: That sounds nice 18:40:08 -!- gnum_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:40:42 Basil: Although I'm really good at adding programming things. I couldn't even set up steam when I tried. I think I have homebrew, though. 18:40:50 Medar: Thanks for commiting that, by the way. 18:41:51 Well, until you set that up, you can use lgrep to search through the source 18:42:47 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 18:42:48 Basil: I don't know what lgrep is either. 18:43:00 Basil: Also, thanks for the help. 18:43:08 It's grep, except in vim 18:43:27 :lgrep need_for_greed * 18:43:46 :lne and :lp to go to next or previous occurrence 18:43:47 -!- nubcakes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:44:08 reaverb: For settings vim-sensible thing I linked is probably a good start. Also want to make sure you have tabstop=4 shiftwidth=4 and expandtab settings when editing crawl source. 18:44:43 Medar: Excuse me while I try to find out where my vimrc file actually is. It took me a while to figure out where to put it. 18:44:54 reaverb: As for the other stuff, there is so much. I guess if you want to do something, and it's not easy, try googling for better ways. 18:45:14 :e $MYVIMRC 18:45:52 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 18:46:04 Medar: Yes, any tool gets complicated over time. I guess I'll learn vim the same way I'm learning C++ 18:46:39 Basil: Thanks for that. 18:46:47 The :e command. 18:47:27 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 18:47:55 right, here's also something http://bpaste.net/show/zBgMvA2j8uanufQrCeVA/ 18:48:46 Anyway, probably give vimtutor a whirl and search for what you need/want whenever you're missing something 18:50:03 there's a couple more tags that i'm not sure are used much anywhere? like preserve_wall and no_windows (latter has one use) 18:50:41 should probably still add them, a second 18:51:03 Basil: Alright, thanks for the help again. Last question: how do you use the expandtab setting Medar mentioned? 18:51:29 It's just :set expandtab 18:51:31 :set expandtab 18:51:38 or put 'set expandtab' in your vimrc 18:51:43 To disable :set noexpandtab 18:51:51 updated at http://bpaste.net/show/GfWRMXnKfnkiErLalaQw/ 18:51:54 To see what the value is :set expandtab? 18:51:59 Same goes for all boolean options of course 18:52:19 (all of that should be in vimtutor if you need to refresh your memory later) 18:52:22 Medar: Basil: Thanks, by vim rc file is updated with all that. 19:01:07 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:10 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:08 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:56 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2894-gb7ef58a: Add some missing options to the default init.txt 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 42+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7ef58a045d5 19:18:13 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:20:54 -!- N78291 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:22:10 in some situations you can get the out of mp message for dragon call twice; possibly if you are scheduled for more than you have the mp for? 19:22:54 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 19:23:11 -!- _fred has quit [Client Quit] 19:25:42 -!- _fred has quit [Client Quit] 19:28:26 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:28:48 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:29:42 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:01 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:34:26 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:38 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 19:39:48 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:41:33 -!- Stendhal is now known as Zilis 19:42:49 -!- Zilis has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 19:59:20 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:10:51 -!- _fred has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:13:06 -!- Sokar__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:14:45 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 20:17:24 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:18:07 -!- Keanan1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:22:24 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:33 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:33:42 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:34:59 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:12 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:38:37 -!- rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:44:40 -!- herself has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:48:18 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:24 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:07 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:55:44 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:59:09 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 20:59:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:01:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:08 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:03:48 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-2895-gf3fb779: Don't let druids recall the Lernaean Hydra 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f3fb779beec8 21:03:48 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-2896-g11cc5b0: Assign blame to druids for monsters recalled via Druid's Call 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=11cc5b071b7a 21:03:48 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-2897-gb2a26d5: Fix some erroneous uses of visible_to in monster abilities 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2a26d5301f6 21:03:48 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-2898-g072c9d3: Let demonic guardians use autofoe behavior 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=072c9d39bcef 21:04:31 DracoOmega: id like to see the menagerie message changed! its very important to me 21:04:39 What? 21:04:48 DracoOmega: Do summon cards use autofoe btw? 21:04:59 Medar: I, um... I forget 21:04:59 the sentences you get end in ! instead of . like most other summons 21:05:00 -!- airwaveraid has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:05:13 simmarine: Oh, and this bothers you? :P 21:05:16 yes 21:05:19 its not consistent! 21:05:21 (Okay, yeah I guess it can be changed, sure) 21:05:31 Make it !! 21:05:34 -!- _maniac_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:05:42 make it depend on spellpower 21:05:48 A lindwurm appears!!!!! 21:05:51 Haha 21:06:01 rc option: excited_crawl 21:06:22 You begin resting!!!!!!! 21:06:33 simmarine: Shall I take that to mean you've played it? Or just watched? 21:06:45 yes, i have a lair rune 21:06:57 i havent played too much but i did use a lot of menagerie 21:07:28 Medar: Seems the cards don't. Oops! 21:07:41 Thought so. :) 21:07:51 But I've already switched back and rebuilt my deterministic poison branch now, so I'll fix that a bit later :P 21:08:25 No worries, I just won my Nemelex guy anyway! 21:08:25 DracoOmega: also N78291 has given some of the higher spells some use (ok maybe just dragons call but i havent watched him too much at the high xls) 21:08:31 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:03 dismissal is a secret greater demon tech 21:09:08 Yeah, I noticed that 21:09:09 Clever :P 21:09:21 yeah, did the same in wiz mode when I was fooling around 21:09:29 It never actually occured to me, somehow 21:10:06 that or just cast the duration abjure spell 21:11:48 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: bbl] 21:17:59 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:40 I may just get the formulas and related mechanical code semi-sane and then push it to a branch in hope that someone who understands interruption code better than me and chip in on that end of things 21:21:09 Since I'm still not quite sure how to get it to do some of what I want (aside from not even being sure what I want, in some other cases) 21:22:04 gammafunk: did you ever see pubby's !!! patch? 21:22:11 heh, no 21:22:21 sec 21:22:27 sounds like something he would do 21:22:39 DracoOmega: I had something weird with dragon call earlier, though I'm not sure of the exact cause 21:22:53 in some situations you can get the out of mp message for dragon call twice; possibly if you are scheduled for more than you have the mp for? 21:23:00 ...oh, wait, Mantis is dead <_< 21:23:05 I think I have a local copy? 21:23:24 I mean, in a nutshell what was it? 21:24:14 Ah, here it is. 21:24:17 http://sprunge.us/BWMJ 21:24:44 N78291: Hmmm... that might be possible. It's not really 'scheduled' as such, but the loop might call a second one even if the first one ended the effect, since I don't think it checks inbetween 21:24:49 ...which had some issues that http://sprunge.us/cPUf partially but not completely addresses. 21:24:54 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:08 If so, sounds easy to fix 21:26:05 haha 21:26:21 wow I could add so much to that 21:26:44 wow I could add so much to that!!!! 21:27:07 DEMIGODWANDERER!!! 21:27:22 haunt + dismissal is the best 21:27:33 oh, that does sound fun 21:27:41 heck even XXX could have some fun with it 21:28:29 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:30:26 N78291: don't die 21:32:10 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:11 DracoOmega: maybe only let forced dismissal work on summons with low hp? 21:33:30 Why? 21:33:32 or less 50% at least 21:33:37 That seems to defeat the purpose of it in a lot of cases 21:33:51 well it's a bit awkward to have haunt + FD 21:34:00 -!- st_ has quit [] 21:34:09 things that are dangerous when you have haunt: ??? 21:34:09 Especially since you can't control when the summons get injured and by how much 21:34:40 summon storm sounds ok imo 21:34:40 yeah it's just some kind of weird fulminant prism 21:34:51 Note that FD damage is based on the HD of the monsters you are dismissing 21:35:07 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:30 So it is automatically doing less damage for blowing up wraiths than things like hydra and so on (obviously there are a lot more of them, though) 21:36:10 yeah, I guess that's a spell where we'll have to see what strange and wonderful use cases arise 21:36:41 it does seem that if you make a full-hp summon and make it blow up immediately 21:36:51 over using said summon, somehwere there's a design problem 21:36:57 but maybe that's overthinking it 21:37:04 sounds like pcloud + ignite poison to me 21:37:26 yeah but those are also in different schools 21:37:36 necro isnt summoning 21:37:48 haunt is still in summoning, unless that too has changed 21:37:51 oh i forget, ignite poison isnt actually conjuration 21:37:57 but that's also just haunt 21:37:58 anyway i dont see the problem 21:39:00 Yes, I don't think creating them ONLY to blow them up is actually optimal in many situations at the moment 21:39:14 But sometimes blowing them up after they are made and have done things is good 21:39:19 If you need to turn sustained damage into burst damage 21:39:47 it's good against other summoners since they often don't last long anyway too 21:39:54 Yeah, that too 21:39:54 DracoOmega, I realise you're working on a lot at the moment, but you previously expressed some interest in adjusting late D spawns and I wanted to point you to this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnzBASbyxWI2dHlkMGtnYTduUGpjX1N4bkZTMGZKV3c#gid=2 21:40:12 (or anyone else who wants to tinker with late D / D OOD spawns) 21:43:23 So many numbers 21:44:12 (The basic design of this spreadsheet is attributable to hangedman, for the record.) 21:45:12 Grunt: can you explain the highliting ? 21:45:14 Yes, I've seen it before 21:45:19 I reacted similarly then :P 21:45:36 the green, the light....grey I guess, and yellow 21:45:42 I assumed yellow is "problematic stuff" 21:45:44 The highlights in the monster columns are: yellow -> changed; blue -> added. 21:45:53 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:46:03 In the number fields darkgray is 0, gray is "below 0.5%", green is "5-10%", blue is "above 10%". 21:46:07 (More or less.) 21:46:14 oh ok 21:46:44 -!- Datul_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:11 Is there any way to see which WAY something was changed? 21:47:17 Like, was it raised or lowered 21:47:19 Sure; compare it to the other spreadsheet. 21:47:39 Oh, oops :P 21:48:39 Got a couple crashes in the smithgod branch - seems there's something in elf that's trying to hit an undefined monster type: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Datul/crash-Datul-20140301-034527.txt 21:49:48 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:51:39 Maybe killing a monster when using Igni's flame weapon... 21:52:25 !tell buppy smithgod crash: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Datul/crash-Datul-20140301-034527.txt 21:52:25 Medar: OK, I'll let buppy know. 21:52:30 Datul_: Thanks! 21:53:46 Hmm, I guess experimental branch crashes aren't announced here? 21:54:33 Grunt: I don't know about the ood stuff, but I had been thinking that maybe kobold demonologists could use to be a little bit more common in normal late D - so that they actually kind of exist. Actually, I hadn't given the ood list any thought at all, but I thought that the post-Lair segment of D itself could use some more interesting in a couple ways. 21:54:50 Medar: yeah, seems not 21:55:02 I'm mainly concerned about the OOD list because of a couple of effects that use / will use that list. 21:55:26 The rod of shadows and what else? 21:55:48 Yred wrath involves zombies; those zombies are basically picked from D proportional to the player's XL. 21:55:50 I mean, aside from a few deep vaults with 8s or something too 21:55:57 !tell |amethyst Would it be possible to get experimental branch crash announcements for ##crawl-dev? 21:55:58 Medar: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 21:56:01 s/involves/sometimes &/ 21:56:14 (I'm envisioning making Dith's shadow creatures use Weave Shadows as well.) 21:59:21 It's funny how my automatic reaction is 'I should have a closer reexamination of that later' when I already have far too many things I'm supposed to be doing 21:59:42 -!- tenofswords has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:24 This deterministic poison stuff, the summons branch, a second pass at some forest dispersal stuff... 22:03:23 BTW, you may have noticed the two notes just to the lower left of the table; kobold demonologists are on my "look at weights further" list. <_< 22:03:36 I guess I read that as 'maybe remove' 22:03:43 Maybe I was wrong? ^^; 22:03:57 It's more of a "these weights need to be looked at one way or the other" list. :) 22:04:08 -!- montyb has quit [Quit: montyb] 22:04:16 Fair enough 22:06:40 maybe you can put boggarts on that list 22:06:51 as much as i'd like to keep them, their current state is far beyond nonsense 22:07:26 I'm looking specifically at D monster weights, not the monsters themselves. 22:12:43 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:13:27 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:14:15 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2899-g175aae5: Treat Dith's shadow creature wrath like Weave Shadows. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=175aae5ce838 22:14:29 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:14:47 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:10 I'd like some way to save boggarts, but they are pretty sad at the moment, yes 22:25:17 What's wrong with boggarts? 22:26:03 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:26:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:30:04 They're incredibly fragile, so you wand them once and all their summons go away and they end up pretty non-threatening 22:31:00 Maybe they need a little more HP? 22:31:12 (I usually just hit them once in melee and they go away) 22:31:31 Well, until 0.14 their stuff DIDN'T go away, and so had some point 22:31:51 But their extreme fragility and no other offesne doesn't work so well in the current system 22:32:11 boggart (06g) | Spd: 12 | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(18) | XP: 21 | Sp: confuse, slow, invisibility, blink, shadow creatures | Sz: little | Int: normal. 22:32:11 %??boggart 22:32:32 There's the hex thing, but, well, HD 2... 22:32:37 I wonder if part of their problem is...yeah that 22:32:41 -!- Ququman_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:32:47 Even at much higher HD, I think that wouldn't work so well 22:33:02 ...not to mention, 22:33:05 great orb of eyes (09G) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 46-83 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 20 | see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison | XP: 1027 | Sp: paralyse, disintegrate (d44), slow, confuse, 04esc:teleport other | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:33:05 %??great orb of eyes 22:33:14 Since not only do deep players have so much MR that most things wiff unless they're very high HD, the summons interfere greatly with their line of fire for it 22:33:27 Like, even great orbs of eyes don't tend to be that scary by Depths :P 22:33:37 Every now and again, but not that frequently 22:33:51 right, I think getting rid of those hexes (though they're thematic with the idea of an annopying boggart) might be an idea 22:33:59 add 4.1 orbs of eyes 22:34:07 What do they do there? 22:34:11 maybe make them summon shadow creatures then blink them to encircle 22:34:26 Shadow creature haunt 22:34:26 the same but MR seems hard to get and they can chain paralyse you 22:34:37 so if you get paralysed you are probably dead 22:35:18 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:21 Shadow creature haunt might be kinda scary :P 22:35:36 it would be...um...anti melee :P 22:35:47 Pff 22:36:32 boggarts being individually puny seems fine to me because they generate in packs 22:36:43 give them summons + blink allies close + dismissal 22:36:48 but they're kind of puny in packs too 22:36:49 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:08 Hi roctavian! 22:37:15 though that probably suffers from the issue where they don't do things in the right order and die uselessly 22:37:26 i just don't think explosive summoning (not the dismissal kind) is a fun mechanic 22:37:30 Yes, it's hard to get monsters that need sequences of stuff like that to work right 22:38:05 (fr summon pops are violent) 22:38:13 (See also: exploding ufetubi <_<) 22:38:13 Unless you just make their summons forcefully dismissed on the boggart's death? >.> 22:38:32 Why only boggarts? <_< 22:38:34 bite your tongue (that's brilliant) 22:38:37 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:39:22 i would argue the reason that the summon dissipation change was so nice was that it made it attractive to actually engage in some fights that before you were better off just walking away from 22:39:24 hello! 22:39:45 if summons explode on killing, that is going to be a pretty big move back to the old way of things 22:39:55 It wasn't a wholelly serious suggestion 22:40:03 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:40:13 that's fine, several people seemed to be responding favorably 22:40:23 But I think that abjure-on-death has disproportionatelly affected some monsters more than others and boggarts definitely are hard hit 22:40:36 ackack: I should have distinguished "good idea" from "brilliant idea"! 22:41:17 yes, and boggarts were a classic threat before abjure on death. 22:41:42 my usual boggart flow before was 22:41:47 can i kill it right now? cool 22:41:54 oh, pile of summons, guess i'll go upstairs for a bit 22:42:05 the worst case scenario was a tele, but that's still the worst case 22:42:44 ontoclasm: so digging through my inbox the hit list of monsters that could use new tiles: guardian golem (currently doesn't have one); mana viper; crystal guardian (currently using old crystal golem tile); possibly grand avatar depending on your opinion of the current tile. 22:43:06 The new spells (mostly the player-castable ones, but preferably also the monster spells) could use icons too. 22:43:14 roctavian, I'm listing this for your benefit too! >_> 22:43:18 one easy change could be to give boggarts mass confusion instead of confusion 22:43:26 still won't do much with hd:2 but 22:43:52 make alistair's monster castable 22:43:57 been planning to get to the various golem tiles 22:44:16 (also a lot of things on summon_adjustments will probably need tiles!) 22:44:28 probably could do a run at the grand avatar one too 22:45:58 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:12 -!- crate has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:18 as far as spell tile things, i'm letting those sit because i've got a complete spell-and-ability-tile overhaul in the pipe for someday 22:46:58 i've only done like... twenty, twenty-five out of however many spells and abilities we have in the game 22:47:05 a highly fluctuating number, these days 22:52:01 * Grunt tries to figure out what spells need tiles <_< 22:52:25 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:52:52 Glaciate for one 22:53:01 (rip ice storm) 22:53:11 Mainly the player-castable ones - Summon Forest, Summon Lightning Spire, Summon Guardian Golem, Random Bolt, Cloud Cone, Weave Shadows (which could reuse the shadow creatures tile, I guess). 22:53:32 Everything else is primarily a monster spell <_< 22:53:59 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:30 -!- Giomancer has left ##crawl-dev 22:56:26 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:02:24 -!- dwarj has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:03:12 we actually have a spell called Random Bolt? 23:03:25 oh that's the rod thing yes 23:10:16 -!- Utrick has quit [Client Quit] 23:10:44 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:10:49 -!- Datul_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:10:50 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:12:17 What if boggarts got discord? (Frenzied shadow creatures sound nasty) 23:13:11 Or perhaps just moth of wrath-style berserk-a-critter? 23:13:55 probably they would just die to their own summons with discord 23:14:04 -!- utrick has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:13 True enough. 23:14:14 (Now there's a summon idea: Summon Moth of Wrath) 23:16:24 (Your moth of wrath goads you on!) 23:16:25 <_< 23:16:27 "Summon Moth: Randomly summons a moth of wrath or ghost moth" 23:17:42 Grunt: berserk other 23:19:40 summon suppression aura 23:32:23 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 23:34:39 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:39:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:46:10 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:46:40 -!- utrick has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:28 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.]