00:04:30 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:06:21 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2864-gf72b609 (34) 00:11:38 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:12:50 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:18 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:18:39 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:56 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:25 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:18 bummer, looks like each DF game is taking up 15-40% of my VPS memory 00:29:30 * johnstein isn't really surprised 00:29:57 More memory 00:30:06 DF needs all the memory 00:30:08 All of it 00:30:15 you are correct. this problem has an EASY solution 00:31:14 !tell Grunt There needs to be a better way of keeping the changelog updated. I'd suggest something like the manual, so that when major changes are made the committer can update that at the same time. 00:31:15 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 00:32:55 I think the problem there is that, in practice, a lot of times people won 00:32:55 won't* 00:33:19 Since people could always update the changelog on their own NOW, but usually don't 00:33:36 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:34:08 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 00:35:08 -!- Guest66449 has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 00:36:11 I nominate DracoOmega to update the changelog for summon_adjustments. >_> 00:36:43 Sure 00:37:09 I imagine that the changelog was updated properly (i.e. with major changes) at some point in the past, but complacency has set in over the years. 00:37:23 (i.e. at the same time as major changes) 00:38:04 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2865-gd4534bd: Changelog updates. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 49+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4534bd0bf17 00:38:14 I am not so certain it was ever quite that conscientious, but I could be wrong 00:38:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:22 rip ice storm 00:41:57 wheals: btw, 00:41:59 ??cheipoke 00:42:00 cheipoke[1/1]: http://s-z.org/cgi-bin/cheipoke 00:42:16 (use that to tell Chei you've made changes if you want reasonably fast updates) 00:42:31 aha 00:42:45 So that's what that does 00:42:51 salamnders 00:43:46 ontoclasm: ? 00:44:21 in that commit 00:44:35 all salamnders can slither 00:44:47 also you might note the change to CBL ai 00:46:00 it's in the monster section. 00:46:07 good catch on salamnders 00:46:26 salam*a*nders 00:46:56 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:43 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:49:02 heh, cloakes 00:49:21 also 00:49:31 line 55 00:49:48 species can recommend backgrounds that don't necessarily recommended that species 00:50:01 yes? 00:50:11 second one should be "recommend" at least 00:50:21 true 00:50:26 and the example is backwards 00:52:00 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-2866-g39fc9bc: Recenter a bunch of tiles 10(10 minutes ago, 39 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=39fc9bc134c9 00:52:02 Crash on going downstairs by Uzuri 00:52:02 auto-explore+auto_sacrifice and auto_inscribe =p doesn't work by kurzedmetal 00:52:02 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:55:04 also also black suns don't have ddoor any more i think 00:55:39 damn you say that just as i push again 00:55:52 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2867-gfc05e36: Changelog typo fixes (ontoclasm). 10(79 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc05e3605eff 00:56:11 sorry >.< 00:56:20 mmm 00:56:46 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:48 -!- gammafunk has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:56:59 summon forest is real, what 00:57:06 i thought that was like 00:57:09 a dream i had 00:57:26 that means i need to draw vine 00:57:28 vines* 00:57:39 vinestalkers 00:57:43 * 00:58:05 stalking vines 00:58:40 299 * Removed items: potions of slowing; rod of warding. 00:58:48 rod of warding is mentioned a few lines above 00:58:59 >.> 00:59:20 This changelog is a collective effort :P 00:59:49 xD 00:59:52 yeah i guess i can like 00:59:56 change it myself 01:00:04 instead of being lazy 01:00:16 Why do today what you can put off till tomorrow 01:00:29 that would be my motto 01:00:32 do dryads appear anywhere besides the spell? 01:00:35 if i'd gotten around to having a motto 01:00:52 I think there's a vault of mine that places a dryad. 01:01:00 wheals: Currently? I think one Abyss rune vault 01:01:02 i think the big encompass forest level has some 01:01:03 may as well say what they do 01:01:15 but i might be wrong 01:01:18 ...what do they do now 01:01:19 They may be valid things for shapeshifters, too? 01:01:21 !vault grunt_abyss_rune_twisted_forest 01:01:22 unknown monster: "dryaf" 01:01:22 %??dryaf 01:01:22 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/abyss.des;hb=HEAD#l1434 01:01:22 Not sure 01:01:23 dryad (09R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 38-66 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 10 | spellcaster | Res: 06magic(74) | Vul: 04fire | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 352 | Sp: awaken vines, awaken forest, 04esc:minor healing (2d4) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 01:01:23 %??dryad 01:01:34 "turn the forest against you" 01:01:56 Tie you up against the trees with creeping vines :P 01:02:23 -!- scrubnub has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:03:34 I wonder if explosions are worth 3 more includes in ouch.cc 01:04:05 I wouldn't worry too much about includes in general. At least *I* haven't been >.> 01:04:21 mmm 01:04:23 Basil: did you see the autosacrifice bug report? 01:04:31 Yes 01:04:39 I don't think I caused that? 01:04:46 hmm 01:04:51 also yes to the rod of shotgun idea 01:05:00 just wondering, since you were the last to touch the code 01:05:01 make it a step closer to DOOM 01:05:08 Well in any case, Firestarter now makes you explode when you die 01:05:38 You hear the scream of a freed soul! 01:05:39 Basil: secret buff with Xom 01:06:43 wheals: My change was wrapped with 'if (you_worship(GOD_FEDHAS))' 01:06:51 as long as it wasn't you.god = GOD_FEDHAS 01:07:25 Ha 01:07:31 Make more people see the wonders of his plantyness 01:07:34 Yes! 01:07:40 Fedhas is the best god nobody uses 01:07:50 !whichgod @basil 01:07:51 109 recent wins: 25x Okawaru, 16x Fedhas, 15x Kikubaaqudgha, 12x Trog, 9x Ashenzari, 7x Makhleb, 5x, 3x Vehumet, 3x Dithmenos, 3x Lugonu, 2x Zin, 2x Xom, 2x Jiyva, Cheibriados, The Shining One, Sif Muna, Yredelemnul, Nemelex Xobeh 01:08:46 - Small race gladiators receive tomahawks instead of nets. 01:08:52 is this still true? 01:09:00 i should also add small races being able to use nets 01:10:02 appears not 01:11:31 r??epic bugs 01:11:32 continue 01:13:06 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 01:14:09 ??black mark 01:14:09 black mark[1/2]: epic_bugs[9/14]: DracoOmega * 0.13-a0-338-gd5b758e: Fix all monster attack flavours inflicting 0 damage 01:14:12 ??black mark 01:14:13 black mark[1/2]: Demonspawn mutation gained at level 3 of the negative energy facet. Give melee attacks that deal damage a 1/5 chance of gaining a vampiric effect and applying antimagic, weakness or draining to the target. The vampiric effect affects all non-summoned monsters. 01:14:18 ....what 01:14:20 what 01:14:49 sequell is out of synch 01:14:57 !cheers Sequell 01:14:58 * Sequell slides a briefcase full of absinthe across the bar to Sequell, on the house. 01:15:23 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:18:09 -!- kr4n3 has quit [Client Quit] 01:18:30 ??cerebov 01:18:30 cerebov[1/5]: Demonspawn mutation gained at level 3 of the negative energy facet. Give melee attacks that deal damage a 1/5 chance of gaining a vampiric effect and applying antimagic, weakness or draining to the target. The vampiric effect affects all non-summoned monsters. 01:18:46 uh 01:18:47 Stupid luaside code, which my IDE seems very bad at finding 01:18:50 ??butterfly 01:18:51 butterfly[1/8]: Guards the fiery rune with the Sword of Cerebov and spells of iron shot, haste, fire storm, and summon greater demons. Can defeat nearly anything consistently in !fight. His level is crawling with balrugs. 01:19:03 hahahahaha 01:19:07 Haha, nice 01:20:41 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2868-ga857ff6: Hopefully final changelog changes (for now). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a857ff63533b 01:20:43 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:21:30 anyone else who wants to make changes can do it themselves >_> 01:22:30 horrible idea time 01:22:51 a monster that is to ranged combat what antaeus is to melee 01:23:12 I might have read too much Greek mythology recently 01:23:16 wheals: You're clearly just padding your commit count :P 01:23:31 my secret has been revealed! 01:23:55 actually i'm padding the total commit count so the next tourney comes sooner, of course 01:24:01 Haha 01:26:58 What to add before next tourney 01:27:41 * Lightli replaces add with remove 01:27:46 remove darts 01:28:13 hmm, that reminds me 01:28:13 (or some race that no one likes) 01:28:21 There is no race that no one likes 01:28:33 Currently if a monster is wandering, when you flick a dart at them then they won't shout 01:28:38 Ever? 01:28:41 or at least, they very often don't shout 01:28:57 Well, any LESS often than them noticing you by other means? 01:29:06 And you can set a sleeping monster to wandering by flicking a dart one tile N, S, E, or W of them 01:29:11 even when you're out of LOS 01:29:38 Flicking a dart directly at them while sleeping makes them shout 01:29:47 as does them noticing you while wandering 01:29:58 i have a local branch that removes darts 01:30:11 why is it only local 01:30:20 You could probably do the same with meat rations 01:30:26 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:30:35 Lightli: i should make it local global? 01:30:43 Basil: I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that flicking at a dart at them while wandering produces much less reaction than them noticing you otherwise while wandering (or hitting them with a weapon or spell while wandering?) 01:31:27 wheals: Warpers better not lose their dispersal weapon :P 01:31:39 DracoOmega: i added dispersal tomahawks 01:31:47 Somehow that feels even sillier to me 01:32:01 I mean, I guess it functions (and even does more damage) 01:32:04 tomahawks are good on d:1 but you can only use them once... 01:32:09 DracoOmega: Yes 01:32:14 or not quite 01:32:23 But I guess it's the flavor-wise thing 01:32:33 I know that it produces less reaction than if they simply notice you while wandering 01:32:38 Throwing axes feel so... wrong here. I don't know what else to suggest, off-hand 01:32:40 not sure if spells have the same effect 01:32:52 DracoOmega: Care to see it on cao? 01:32:53 i think that having _darts_ in a dungeon feels off flavourwise to me 01:33:02 ??realism of crawl 01:33:02 realism of crawl[1/10]: A deadly crawl monster only surpassed by the Toenail Golem. FLEE FOR YOUR LIFE IF YOU SEE ONE! Shoots hellfire from its proboscis and has an irresistible paralyze attack. Has been known to dual wield quick blades of distortion. Also reported being smiting! 01:33:02 ??realism of crawl 01:33:03 realism of crawl[1/10]: whacking KILLER FUCKING BEES with a halberd and throwing javelins at them 01:33:08 but yes 01:33:28 if flavour were the only reason i wouldn't bother 01:33:33 wheals: You realize these probably aren't the same kind of darts you throw at a dart board, no? 01:33:44 Giant spiked darts? 01:33:47 demon darts? 01:33:55 No, I mean that term is used in real life for actual weapons 01:33:58 dire darts 01:34:01 Sort of somewhere between arrows and javelins 01:34:08 huh 01:34:09 helldart 01:34:23 i guess nethack tiles made me think of them as dartboard darts 01:34:57 giant spiked dire demon darts 01:35:32 those are large rocks 01:35:44 Like for example: http://members.aon.at/gentes/Darstellung/plumbata2.JPG 01:36:03 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:36:09 Those are based on a Roman design, I believe 01:36:43 come to think of it, I think something important never actually happened 01:37:06 We dispersed it's monsters everywhere, we prevented it from spawning, and we cut out everything else... 01:37:14 but we never actually removed Forest itself yet 01:37:37 is there a way to limit the number of concurrently logged in players on a server? 01:38:17 in dgamelaunch.conf, I see maxusers, but this looks like the number of registered users, not simultaneously logged in 01:38:24 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:38:31 well. simultaneously playing. watching would be ok 01:39:21 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:40:22 Lightli: I wouldn't be surprised if there are save compat reasons 01:40:42 probably are 01:41:11 03ChrisOelmueller02 {wheals} 07* 0.14-a0-2869-g5f331fa: Fix jelly form movement speed 10(12 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f331fae784d 01:41:12 And Dwarf is still in the codebase for god's sake :P 01:41:14 Oh, it doesn't let you go there? 01:41:24 It still shows up as a wizmode destination, though 01:41:35 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 01:41:40 And you could actually go there for a long time anyway 01:42:19 Yeah, the code for the Dwarven halls didn't get stripped out for quite some time 01:42:24 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:42:41 speaking of dwarves, could deep dwarf death knights go the way of unborn deep dwarves and become just death knights? 01:42:44 Well, it's apparently not ALL stripped out either 01:42:44 there's still code for it mon-pick-data 01:43:15 i see no reason not to change dddk, yeah 01:43:18 Lightli: They presumably could, but I don't see a lot of benefit. 01:43:42 mostly the fact that non-healing enemies are bad, i assume 01:43:43 wheals: Well, there's at least one good reason not to change them! 01:43:47 DracoOmega: buffing them by letting them regen 01:43:51 There's too many @s as it is 01:43:57 Well, they heal by stealing your hp 01:43:58 the solution is obvious 01:44:01 make them MDDK 01:44:12 I would also be fine with this 01:44:18 Honestly, making them non-DD would probably be a nerf without other changes 01:44:25 They do actually get damage shaving 01:44:39 For whatever that means :P 01:49:50 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:50:24 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:51:07 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:51:54 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:53:58 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:55:37 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:56:02 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:12 I'm not sure if it's clustering illusion, 01:56:25 Oh, I thought you had looked at the relevant code 01:56:33 but are there supposed to be 7 elec halberds among the gnolls in a bailey 01:56:55 Oh, clustering illusion in THAT regard? 01:57:00 mm, I'll check the des 01:57:02 Yes, that baily does hand them out 01:57:06 MONS: gnoll ; halberd | halberd ego:electrocution 01:57:20 Hell of a bailey 01:57:28 Well, the 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(possibly part of purge magic) 07:27:09 * Grunt goes back to sleep. 07:27:10 * dpeg feels abjured. 07:27:41 !seen |amethyst 07:27:42 I last saw |amethyst at Tue Nov 26 22:20:09 2013 UTC (13w 1d 15h 7m 32s ago) saying 'Cedor: when you kill one, you get either a spriggan or a giant firefly' on ##crawl-dev. 07:27:59 I don't believe Sequell. 07:29:37 <|amethyst> hello 07:29:42 <|amethyst> not around for long, what's up 07:31:04 I /msg-ed you yesterday but you didn't seem to see it. 07:31:21 <|amethyst> ah, Error opening terminal: unknown 07:31:27 yes, exactly 07:31:40 it's certainly a problem on my end, but I have no clue what it could be 07:31:41 <|amethyst> before you ssh over, what does echo $TERM say? 07:31:52 <|amethyst> also, what terminal emulator are you using? 07:32:14 echo $TERM gives xterm 07:32:20 ubunto console 07:32:46 <|amethyst> but then when you ssh to CSZO you still get that error? 07:32:48 and I had the same problem when I logged into other machines (for example angband, the one where I am right now) and tried again 07:32:49 Grunt: I like the scroll of abjuration idea. 07:33:13 |amethyst: ssh to CSZO? 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09:46:07 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:27 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:55:33 -!- JaGGedTK has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 10:02:01 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:02:10 -!- kr4n3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:03:14 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:03:38 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:04:39 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yes, there was an announcement on C-R-D a few days ago 10:05:52 Hopefully Nappy can give us the new IP if DNS updates end up being slow to roll out. 10:07:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:43 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20:19 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:17 -!- yokelz_ is now known as yokelz 10:22:29 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:24:13 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:25:51 -!- asdfe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:30:35 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:26 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:00 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:41:53 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:42:21 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:21 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 10:42:22 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 10:42:52 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:51:36 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:54:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:55:22 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:23 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:38 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:09:25 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2870-g3cc7c2c: Update revision in changelog header. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3cc7c2c337fa 11:13:05 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2869-g5f331fa (34) 11:13:19 ...oh no, that change didn't make it in in time <_< 11:14:31 -!- MYNICK has quit [Client Quit] 11:20:31 <|amethyst> Time for an emergency rebuild 11:20:41 <|amethyst> PEOPLE MUST KNOW THE TRUTH 11:21:11 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:06 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:58 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:28:47 -!- atomjack_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:31:09 hrm, I wonder if all of that detail regarding jump is necessary; it gets more lines than either Fo or VS :) 11:31:15 in the changelog, I mean 11:31:24 gammafunk: so fix it! >_> 11:31:27 not that my code isn't superior to pubby's or Basil's, of course 11:31:42 Grunt: permission plz 11:32:11 You don't need my permission. I'm not some secret shadowy Crawl overlord controlling everything from the shadows. 11:32:39 Who is the shadow dev?! 11:33:05 in general the changelog doesn't need to go into that much detail on most stuff i think, i usually cut it down a bunch when it gets closer to release 11:33:16 MarvinPA, remover extraordinarie. 11:33:52 (...and wheals, his apprentice in the dark arts of removal) 11:33:56 <_< 11:33:58 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:34:10 I like that the top_deleters are so good, even ??top_deleters got deleted 11:34:18 -!- atomjack_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:34:24 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 11:34:42 And through and through The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! 11:36:00 !send Basil the +7,+7 Vorpal Blade {slay jabberwock} 11:36:00 Sending the +7,+7 Vorpal Blade {slay jabberwock} to Basil. 11:36:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:37:29 what is the catch about the halftone dith changes? no invoc required anymore and free xp on sight? 11:37:43 -!- asdfe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:37:48 the no invoc is just because the branch is from before that was added 11:38:02 that explains the jellyfish 11:38:06 Last I heard you don't get piety from looking at dudes 11:38:28 i don't think there is a catch though, probably it needs some changes to not be ridiculously good 11:38:29 i think that's planned to be changed 11:38:48 dpeg kind of ignored my questions regarding that 11:38:50 but yeah it's just to test the idea for now i think 11:38:59 -!- atomjack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:39:00 but aside from that, it seems like better pacifism for sp-- 11:39:01 -!- atomjack_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:42:33 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-2871-g475e0ba: Gadget shop tile 10(26 minutes ago, 3 files, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=475e0ba8f275 11:42:33 I maintain that it is an interesting idea, but does not particularly fit in with the rest of the way Dith works right now. 11:42:33 do it for everyone~~~ 11:42:33 Silcrawl 11:42:33 <_< 11:42:33 yessss 11:42:33 give innnn 11:42:33 how is it coded? you get a percentage of the monster xp on sight and the rest on kill or is it extra xp? 11:42:33 The former. 11:43:00 ...oh, maybe I should land that wand/gadget shop merger 11:43:10 will it add rods to it?? 11:43:14 I kind of want the price patch to go in first though :) 11:43:17 1/10 chance of a rod! 11:43:20 (per item) 11:43:22 nice 11:44:06 what's blocking pricepatch? 11:44:22 shopkeeper greed 11:44:23 (mainly MPA wanted to go through if rist) 11:44:24 not sure if it's finished 11:44:29 s/if rist/it first/ 11:44:48 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:44:53 <|amethyst> jeanjacques: also, pacification's half-XP gives you what's needed to bring you up to 1/2 (so currently 1/6) 11:45:02 -!- SeianVerian_ is now known as SeianVerian 11:45:12 oh don't wait on me for it, i was just going to take a look at it if nobody else did 11:45:16 <|amethyst> jeanjacques: so you can't get extra XP by worshipping Dith then switching to Ely and pacifying everything 11:45:18 Oh, okay. 11:45:38 i remember that n78291 saw gong for ~13000 gold yesterday 11:45:53 just as a reminder 11:45:55 i did make a test shop vault today with some of the high-end unrands that usually had ridiculous prices to compare before/after patch 11:45:56 |amethyst, top ruiner 11:46:56 and they were still in the thousands but that's probably good 11:46:59 <|amethyst> so instead of having a "got half xp" flag, monsters in halftone have a pacified flag, and separately a "how much XP was already awarded" field 11:47:44 what happens if you switch to ely 11:47:47 <|amethyst> also means you don't get extra XP (compared to non-dith) for draining monsters to death, because you get the final XP minus what you already got, rather than applying the percentage remaining to the new XP or such 11:48:21 <|amethyst> I kind of think that part should go in anyway even if Dith doesn't use it 11:48:34 <|amethyst> though it's probably less relevant with Ely 11:49:07 <|amethyst> %git 86c357805ed455145569ab1ecebe01b003b41085 11:49:21 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-2391-g86c3578: Track awarded XP for monsters. 10(4 weeks ago, 9 files, 48+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=86c357805ed4 11:50:01 <|amethyst> another thing in that branch that should maybe go in (though perhaps it could use some tweaks to the list of monsters) is 11:50:07 <|amethyst> %git c9348eb8f 11:50:08 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-2389-gc9348eb: Split M_SHADOW from M_GLOWS_LIGHT. 10(4 weeks ago, 6 files, 15+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c9348eb8f6c4 11:50:35 rip shadow fiends outlined in light 11:50:58 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:21 -!- atomjack has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:52:26 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:52:54 fr: a strong enough light source illuminating a field projects a shadow fiend on the wall 11:53:44 <|amethyst> FR: when fiends form a government, the opposition turns into shadow fiends 11:53:57 <|amethyst> or at least their ministers 11:54:00 * Grunt remembers his old grunt_chaotic_commons <_< 11:54:25 Weren't grey rats the strongest thing you could grab from summon small mammals? 11:54:42 grey rat (15r) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-9 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 5 | Res: 06magic(4) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 4 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:54:42 %?grey rat 11:54:47 quokka (16r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-8 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 5 | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sz: little | Int: animal. 11:54:47 %??quokka 11:55:00 (BLOOD AND SOULS FOR QUOKKA) 11:55:09 they attacked more often! 11:55:23 ??quokka 11:55:24 quokka[1/3]: Some Australian cat or something? 11:55:26 had to squeeze in another spammals nerf 11:55:30 that grey rat mr was OP 11:55:33 might as well remove it 11:55:57 imo buff quokka by doubling its mr to compensate 11:56:12 the spell is so far past useless at this point you're probably better off killing things by punching them 11:56:16 until xl 2 and imps 11:56:24 Spammal is stronger than flame tongue 11:56:36 I'm pretty sure having an r on my side will help keep me alive 11:56:45 plague rat 11:56:47 what Lightli said also applies to flame tongue though! 11:56:58 Maybe another L1, not sure 11:57:40 Well in the case of spammals, you can have an r *and* punch things 11:57:52 fr: flame fist 11:58:19 mmm, setup_base_explosion is a reasonable fit in beam.cc right 11:58:24 or is that overloaded with things 11:58:45 beam.cc is an eldritch abomination. 11:58:46 <_< 11:59:08 fr: flaming weapon causes your fists to catch fire if you're unarmed, and ?vorp makes it permanent 11:59:09 Fortunately I didn't have to look at it 11:59:45 Zannick: we can't have brand spells being useful! 12:00:01 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:01:57 max power flametongue is probably better than maxpower mammal 12:02:00 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:02:34 -!- aardvark is now known as _aardvark 12:04:58 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06:58 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2872-g600e0b5: minmay's new list of item values. 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 141+ 289-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=600e0b529ee4 12:06:58 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2873-ge4bcf1a: Merge wand and gadget shops (and allow them to occasionally have rods). 10(5 days ago, 12 files, 43+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4bcf1a21e40 12:06:58 03gammafunk02 07* 0.14-a0-2874-ge3a43be: Changelog updates. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3a43be560f5 12:06:59 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:07:39 Grunt: oops, did I forget to upload the actual patch for that 12:11:38 yay 12:12:27 -!- edhmaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:16:06 -!- rlund__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:19:58 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:20:21 Killing things after you die is sort of weird 12:21:35 Go out with a bang, I say 12:22:54 hrm, do you get credit for the kill? 12:22:54 I assume this is regarding your unrand 12:22:54 Probably 12:22:54 I got 5 skill levels from it 12:22:54 haha 12:23:11 Yeah, perhaps that aspect should be changed 12:24:18 Your corpse has reached level 27, the final one! 12:24:45 With the way you've been playing, I'm surprised you got this far. 12:26:13 You die... You explode! The fiery explosion engulfs the vault warden. The vault warden explodes! The fiery explosion engulfs you! You resist. 12:26:15 Die? 12:27:09 oh, does it do the same for monsters wielding it? 12:27:25 No, you only explode if you are wielding it when you die. 12:27:28 j - an embroidered cloak 81 gold 12:27:38 this could still use a much higher tag? 12:28:05 or at least, that's how I have it now; there are some goofy things like 12:28:13 f - an embroidered robe 17 gold 12:28:16 it stating that you're hurt when something else explodes 12:28:17 this was archmagi also 12:28:18 and you're dead 12:37:51 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2875-gbc91c1a: Make arena_delay available outside of arena as view_delay. 10(8 minutes ago, 13 files, 48+ 85-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc91c1a70fa2 12:37:54 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 269 seconds] 12:37:54 * Grunt sends qw a present: 12:37:54 but you don't know it's archmagi, it might be cursed -2 12:37:54 a gamble where i can't lose is not a gamble 12:37:54 ...fair enough 12:37:54 But you lost 17 gold coins 12:37:54 you could enter a bazaar, and there would be War 12:37:54 and you'd be 17 gold short 12:37:54 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:37:54 * Grunt pokes Chei... 12:37:54 yeah, I mostly left unidentified prices alone 12:37:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37:54 !send Grunt a demon trident of electrocution 12:37:54 Sending a demon trident of electrocution to Grunt. 12:37:54 Grunt lightly taps you. Ouch! That really hurt! 12:37:54 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:39:07 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:07 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 12:39:09 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 12:40:56 ...I was considering making more options to disable only a subset of the visual effects, but I think most people who are interested probably want all of them off anyway. 12:41:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:41:28 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:41:46 another weird one,c - a steaming helmet 294 gold 12:41:47 c - the cursed -5 helmet "Feonaen" {rC+} 344 gold 12:42:00 so maybe for armor the pluses should do a bit more? 12:42:11 the weird thing is how a -5 helmet is 344 gold probabl 12:42:29 right this might be a bug in &y also 12:42:53 hrm, are shop items actually level items? 12:43:05 they are stored on the level to my knowledge 12:43:05 I guess they might be 12:43:08 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:14 inside some walls <;) 12:43:19 the helmet should only get 10 more cost from the rC it seems? 12:43:37 (clearly divide by 10 for every minus) 12:43:47 (for artefacts) 12:43:55 but not for shields! 12:44:16 and it should lose 250 cost for the -5.... 12:44:21 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:45:36 oh, the 10 gets multiplied by 7 12:46:26 and added to 10, so it gets 140 gp for the rC+ alone 12:46:49 -!- jmbto has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:01 isn't the armour enchant under item.plus and not item.plus2? 12:49:06 so it'd be only -50 for that enchant? 12:49:36 valued += 50 * item.plus; 12:49:36 yeah it is item.plus 12:49:59 I'm looking at item_value 12:50:01 so it should cost 45 - 250 + 140 12:50:04 no? 12:50:10 valued += 10 * item.plus + 50 * item.plus2; 12:50:16 i guess there's greed 12:50:29 ...should possibly move the plus check after the artefact check? 12:50:33 gammafunk: case OBJ_WEAPONS: 12:50:45 right before the call to artefact_value 12:50:47 Or move the "valued < 1" logic to the end 12:50:50 I'm talking his helmet 12:50:57 helmets are not weapons 12:51:06 (You can't wield armour.) 12:51:08 You clumsily through the helmet. 12:51:17 s/clumsily/awkwardly 12:51:32 * Grunt clumsily bashes Basil but does no damage. 12:51:36 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:52:28 Grunt: there actually is one at the end, too 12:52:36 wheals: just noticed that. 12:53:08 -!- fearitself_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:53:16 so i guess it managed to go from 140 to 344 through greed 12:53:44 removing the intermediate valued < 1 checks would fix this i guess 12:54:05 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:54:28 ...here's a before, for my own reference: 12:54:28 k - the cursed -4 robe of Light {Str+5 Dex+3} 376 gold 12:54:28 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:03 ...and an after: 12:55:09 k - the cursed -4 robe of Light {Str+5 Dex+3} 27 gold 12:55:19 Seems like an improvement. 12:55:29 this massive and doubly-switched code block is a pain 12:55:38 at least the indent isn't off the charts 12:56:00 You gaze into the code. You are confused! 12:56:01 1learn add lightli 13:00:52 Yeah, I was going to say that perhaps stat gains should have enough weight bring up that price some 13:00:52 but negative enchant armour is generally ignored by players anyhow 13:00:52 if you price that thing at 30, it might get bought and not ignored! 13:00:52 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:00:52 well it could still get bought if the price were a bit closer to 100, but it's not a big deal really 13:00:52 most players don't regularly get their int heavily drained though, and chei also is not perceived as fair deal regarding stats :-) 13:00:52 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:01:22 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2876-gc77c54e: Remove some duplicate item value checks. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c77c54ec8087 13:01:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2877-g5b3cdf8: Fix spacing 10(49 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b3cdf80c6b3 13:01:23 A limp-wristed mage might like a 5 str bonus very much; in any case 30 vs 90 hardly makes much difference 13:01:59 you are rewarded 30 gold for every xl you gain while wearing it 13:02:07 Here goes nothing. 13:02:14 MarvinPA: oops, sorry <_< 13:02:22 robe of reverse-Zin 13:02:30 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:02:45 Add it to misfortune? 13:02:53 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:04:12 xp on sight feels a bit too much later in the game. maybe the percentage you gain could be scaled down with xl. 13:05:38 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:05:53 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:05:54 you dont even have to claim your free invis stab xp 13:05:54 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:23 03Sage02 07* 0.14-a0-2878-g87dd2e8: New artefact: Firestarter 10(14 hours ago, 4 files, 52+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=87dd2e8cf17f 13:08:24 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:24 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:24 -!- rast- is now known as rast 13:08:38 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:08:56 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:58 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:00 -!- rast- is now known as rast 13:10:26 That's not the version that blows up the wielder; I might commit that later once I work some things out. 13:10:33 1learn Sage The Michael Bay of crawl. 13:10:39 Nonono. 13:10:42 ??evilmike[$ 13:10:42 evilmike[4/4]: i have a habit of telling people to make things explode 13:10:43 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:56 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:59 why isn't it ETC_FIRE... 13:11:07 Where are the exploding ufetubi!!1 13:11:12 Good question 13:11:14 where indeed 13:11:22 I'll fix that when I fix the other thing 13:11:29 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:33 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:35 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:11:39 -!- rast-- is now known as rast 13:11:51 -!- LordSloth_ is now known as LordSloth 13:12:50 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:15:02 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15:11 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:13 -!- rast- is now known as rast 13:15:27 man, i wish you didn't have to download searches of the logs 13:17:00 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:31 Grunt: is there any reason you haven't applied http://sprunge.us/eNjQ? 13:17:47 The numbers need more fudging. 13:17:59 * wheals pokes the numbers. 13:18:08 The numbers jiggle. 13:19:59 The Royal Number 13:20:47 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:04 ...oh, heh: 13:21:22 I did some rounding off and ended up with this: 13:21:26 http://sprunge.us/WQbW 13:21:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:22:08 oh 13:22:14 I didn't transcribe this properly. 13:22:53 http://sprunge.us/eHIG 13:23:00 ...much less elegant :( 13:24:34 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:00 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:26:36 Grunt: no extra weighting to porridge :( 13:26:39 blood porridge 13:27:15 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2879-g182113f: Don't randomly generate potions of blood (ChrisOelmueller). 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 12+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=182113f5cab6 13:27:56 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:03 Ok, this evening hopefully I can code up my replacement for horn of geryon, but I'm going to fly the idea here in case there are any strong objections 13:29:01 make it an xp-charged evocable that summons 1-4 hell beasts, number and duration affected by evocations, with a chance of hostility also affected by evocations with that chance not being 0 even at 27 evo 13:29:08 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:26 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:29:46 speak now or forever hold your *beast* 13:29:48 get it 13:30:00 * Grunt gestures. gammafunk is cast into Pandemonium! 13:30:07 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:36 * gammafunk looks around. This seems appropriate... 13:31:10 & gammafunk the pandemonium lord 13:31:39 should make hell beasts not spawn in pan 13:31:51 r??apropos panlords 13:31:51 apropos_panlords[3/4]: Cigeutte has a crystalline body with large insectoid wings. It is surrounded by a sickening stench. 13:32:25 wheals: and "hellions"? 13:33:10 they're charged, so they're attracted to pan 13:33:16 hehe 13:33:36 (also lemuel_hellion_island) 13:33:38 <_< 13:33:54 ug, my HEIE that ^q on d:1 had to get the demonic rune that way 13:34:11 I'll never forgive it for being there when that tab bug cropped up. 13:34:12 >:( 13:34:13 they wandered off the island, which I didnt' realize they could do 13:34:23 ?????????? 13:34:28 I don't have a page labeled ???????? in my learndb. 13:34:30 Maybe there was a teletrap there? 13:34:36 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:44 Grunt: right, probably the case 13:35:02 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:35:12 nearly died twice since they are quite good at blowing away summoners 13:35:35 !smiteyhellfire gammafunk 13:35:35 I think they're the only thing I worry about much in 0.12 pan 13:35:37 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:36:00 hell sentinels are quite bad even with XXX but they don't have smiting hellfire 13:36:17 unknown monster: "hell sentinel colour:cyan" 13:36:17 %??hell sentinel colour:cyan 13:36:17 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:36:21 Hell Sentinel (101) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 117-168 | AC/EV: 25/3 08(spiny 5) | Dam: 40, 25 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3263 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), melee, iron shot (3d33) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 13:36:21 %??hell sentinel col:cyan 13:36:22 <_< 13:36:54 obviously those are in pan because they're guarding the ds from escaping 13:37:38 Speaking of which, Dis hell effects don't have a preference for Hell Sentinels. 13:37:53 ...should this stay as it is or should it be changed? 13:38:56 q does dis need to be scarier 13:39:04 yes, that's what I'm worrying about 13:39:09 but I agree it'd be logical 13:39:25 which hells can have para effects? 13:39:39 All of them? 13:39:46 As far as I can tell it's part of enchantment miscasts. 13:39:47 ah 13:40:05 clearly hell effects shouldn't have para effects 13:40:09 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:38 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:41:49 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:03 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:43:09 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:17 -!- kr4n3 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 13:44:44 firestarter seems cool, but is there now redundancy with flaming death? 13:45:38 could remove flaming and chilly death 13:48:14 if that happens maybe give firestarter rC-? 13:48:57 wheals, clearly combine flaming and chilly death into one thing 13:49:04 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:14 create freezing clouds over the hit monster 13:49:20 while covering them in napalm every hit 13:49:43 +5 +5 rF- rC- nobrand 13:50:00 antielemental staff 13:50:22 deals damage based on the elemental resists of the target 13:50:24 Chilly death gives you AF_COLD 13:50:33 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:34 -!- rast- is now known as rast 13:51:12 (idea: a freeze-branded artefact that block-of-ices its victims) 13:51:35 -!- duralumin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:51:41 The goblin hits you! 13:51:45 You are incased in ice! 13:51:47 You die.. 13:51:53 s/in/en/ 13:52:04 remind me to sleep more 13:52:29 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:31 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 13:52:33 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:35 -!- rast- is now known as rast 13:52:38 the +9 ice9 13:52:53 Nonono, that would spread permanent freezing clouds <_< 13:53:03 flaming death can get sticky flame and chilly death can get sticky ice 13:53:06 ...which ignore rC >_> 13:53:10 (hellfrost!!!!!) 13:53:19 s/sticky ice/flash freeze/ 13:53:38 freezer burn 13:53:41 if you want to buff it further you could also make it behave like cerebov's sword 13:53:46 Cat's Cradle 13:53:49 nets on hit 13:53:51 and speaking of cerebov's sword 13:53:54 did it get a buff yet 13:54:02 it seems fairly good 13:54:04 -!- Watball is now known as plsball 13:54:06 s??it[Cerebov 13:54:07 it[31/39]: The Sword of Cerebov burns away its fire resistance. 13:54:30 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:59:32 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:25 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:02:53 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:05:55 -!- plsball is now known as Watball 14:06:41 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:11:07 sorry if I 14:11:20 've missed the news, but hats going on with cdo? 14:11:32 cdo is moving; it should be back "soon". 14:11:40 (Real Soon Now) 14:11:48 oh good, thanks 14:12:20 ??is_cdo_down 14:12:20 is cdo down[1/1]: believe so 14:12:59 this will teach me to download ttyrecs one at a time! 14:13:39 !learn edit is_cdo_down s/.*/Yes, a server move is underway. It will be back "soon"/ 14:13:40 is cdo down[1/1]: Yes, a server move is underway. It will be back "soon" 14:13:50 nonethousand: rip 14:13:55 these scare quotes are very scary 14:14:14 I think you mean "scary". 14:14:26 !learn edit is_cdo_down s/\"soon\"/Real Soon Now./ 14:14:27 is cdo down[1/1]: Yes, a server move is underway. It will be back Real Soon Now. 14:15:44 !learn add is_cdo_down http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb408/evilmaxwar/soon-honey-bear-bottle.jpg 14:15:44 is cdo down[2/2]: http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb408/evilmaxwar/soon-honey-bear-bottle.jpg 14:15:48 so stat drain will be in 0.14, huh 14:16:43 I don't know that a consensus ever emerged on stat drain; I'm in the "no stat drain" camp, but I'd like to hear other opinions 14:16:46 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:16:53 -!- Yuof has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:17:09 Sounds like a good change for post-0.14 anyhow 14:17:48 I tend to think that it's worth considering making long-term, apparently annoying affects into short-term acute ones 14:18:27 *effects 14:20:33 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:21:26 I like the idea of changing corrosion in this way, too 14:21:45 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:20 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:23:24 oh mantis also doesn't exist, right 14:24:18 hm 14:24:43 i want to make enchant weapon let you choose your weapon, but i feel bad about duplicating all this code again 14:24:51 in that case, http://bpaste.net/show/su2q52ZWkeKRamAB4RJd/ and an updated auto_list removal at http://bpaste.net/show/WYbwYBubau6BL890eFlM/ 14:27:44 wheals: Separate the common bits into an inventory-targetting function? 14:28:01 yeah, i'm thinking of the best way to do it 14:28:17 Maybe add an is_identified parameter for ?brand 14:28:32 it's already a bit duplicated between brand and EA 14:29:55 so there'll be more "tried on" scrolls? 14:29:59 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:59 :/ 14:30:09 what? 14:30:16 wheals: merge them into one type of scroll >_> 14:30:19 brand weapon is targetted and isn't a tried on scroll 14:30:22 Re: prices for artifacts, IMO the price per plus should not be linear. An overenchanted piece of armour (+4 gloves, +6 leather) tends to be much better than one enchanted at normally-achievable levels. Similarly, a -1 pair of boots might be usable if the other factors are good enough, but -3 or worse boots are almost impossible to make good. 14:30:29 when did i say that they wouldn't still autoid 14:30:29 Will EW be identified on use or success? 14:30:31 wheals: it also identifies immediately. 14:30:43 wheals: unlike the other item target scrolls. 14:30:55 i'll keep that 14:31:32 keep what? :) 14:31:54 er, the auto-identifiedness of ?oBW 14:32:03 if that makes any sense 14:32:06 yes, i was asking about the ?ew scrolls above 14:32:43 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:51 i mean, i'll carry that over to the EW scrolls 14:32:58 i have a branch here that's named `scrollid` but it's empty 14:33:04 ahaha 14:33:07 would be a good time to identify all scrolls on use then! 14:33:40 (You identify this as an identify scroll.) 14:34:18 i'd also be fine with ?id identifying on use and ea/recharge after use or whatever 14:37:27 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:37:29 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39:41 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:39 (can I use targeter_shotgun to make Magma Splash or something <_<) 14:42:45 just make a shotgun 14:42:55 or a rod of shotgun replacing venom rods 14:43:12 (rod of shrapnel?) 14:44:31 I had an idea for a rod of venom which would make every creature in LOS give off a "toxic glow" sort of a mass-OTR, seems like it might be OOP though. 14:45:13 Also dangerous as hell for the user (Maybe impose temporary rP on use as well) 14:45:27 venom rod ideas are rather tough given there's already a rod of venom 14:45:36 %git HEAD^{/venom} 14:45:37 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2862-g5516d47: Remove the rod of venom. 10(2 days ago, 8 files, 10+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5516d479cdc6 14:45:38 and it does the two things that could be interesting on such a rod too 14:45:38 There is? 14:45:41 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:45:42 there is, yes 14:45:48 it's just not called a rod 14:45:51 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:52 Oh, yes. 14:45:53 -!- rast- is now known as rast 14:45:54 Olgreb? 14:45:56 Yes. 14:46:22 Well, I was thinking along the lines of "making rods all have one and only one spell" 14:46:31 They do (now). 14:46:52 even if ogreb's kind of walks the line of what's "one" 14:47:29 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Client Quit] 14:50:15 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:02 rip rod of pcloud 14:51:37 !send simmarine a rod of clouds 14:51:37 Sending a rod of clouds to simmarine. 14:52:17 -!- yuri-hime has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:52:18 -!- raskol_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52:25 ??storm cloud 14:52:26 I don't have a page labeled storm_cloud in my learndb. 14:52:38 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:53 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:13 Basil: does your autosacrifice with fedhas work with corpses under allies? 14:55:21 Yes 14:55:28 since normal Fedhas sacrifice works that way 14:55:31 oh right, the message for death miscast protection on kiku ^ screen should maybe mention the breakpoint for when it's guaranteed and when only sometimes 14:55:52 -!- neunon has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:55:52 but replacing string things in ^ messages is so godawful that i'm not submitting this 14:56:10 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:25 oh rip fcloud rod too 14:56:40 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:43 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:45 -!- rast- is now known as rast 14:57:29 wow, more cloud types 15:00:24 Grunt: you've been doing things on br:1-d replacement with br, !br:$? else i'll probably update that one 15:01:19 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 15:03:50 i was going to say, +7 great mace of flaming looks rather powerful 15:06:51 You explode! 15:07:03 You die... 15:07:03 Save macros? 15:07:10 another important fix, http://bpaste.net/show/PU0T9tNHSSGb6tdzSUyB/ 15:10:00 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:52 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:07 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:08 -!- rast- is now known as rast 15:16:03 -!- WaveMotion has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:22:26 what was with the crusade to remove all multi-spell rods anyways 15:22:44 the goal was to remove them 15:22:47 it worked 15:22:53 what's a crusade there 15:23:48 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:10 fr: rod of Ice Storm (-9) (9/9) 15:24:38 (obviously an artefact) 15:25:20 make it (8/8_ 15:25:24 ) 15:26:49 Even at -9, it'd recharge decently with high evo 15:27:37 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:37 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 15:27:37 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:30 (0/0) sounds better than (8/8) but i don't want to participate in this whole enchanting artifacts business 15:29:11 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:29:59 I'm pretty sure wheals is implying that it can't be enchanted, and at 8/8 it can't be used either. 15:30:24 Well, make it -27 instead then 15:30:33 mummy buff 15:30:47 (the idea is it would take an eternity to recharge so you wouldn't use it in most fights) 15:31:05 don't you mean you'd use it in every fight and just press 5 more often 15:31:12 -!- BobBarker has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:32 ...good point 15:31:37 you should team up with dracoomega and design some new monsters, encouraging this sounds like his kind of thing 15:31:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:32:47 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:35:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:44 Grunt: * Invocations requires having at least one divine ability that exercises it. 15:36:04 Is this in the documentation somewhere? 15:36:19 database/help 15:36:43 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:54:18 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:59:57 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 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13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=14e1878102f0 16:15:28 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:04 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:36 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:27:20 <|amethyst> FR: firestarter also inner-flames the wielder 16:27:26 <|amethyst> irrelevant for player wielders, but... 16:27:30 -!- edhmaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:27:50 (fr felids can wield firestarter) 16:27:51 <_< 16:28:24 they strap it onto their back 16:29:49 -!- yuri-hime has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:30:34 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:33:15 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 16:34:18 |amethyst: That's in the second patch 16:34:39 There are some quirks with it, which is why I didn't push it yet 16:35:47 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:14 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:37:26 and I fiddled with _setup_base_explosion and _setup_inner_flame_explosion, so I'll give it a lookover later to see if there's anything that can break there 16:37:43 -!- notcluie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:39:08 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:40:27 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:38 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 16:43:26 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:43:59 -!- SublimeSnake has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:02 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:46:43 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:53 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:50:39 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2881-g20de702: Fix up some messaging for scroll of summoning / rod of shadows summons. 10(80 seconds ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=20de70277e62 16:52:01 319 commits?? 16:53:30 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: GOTTA RUN] 16:53:51 <|amethyst> All of which should be bug fixes :P 16:54:23 There are a lot that won't be! :( 16:54:44 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:21 bug fixes for "sirens exist and spawn" and friends 16:55:27 yes, the rest will be commits introducing bugs 16:55:43 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:18 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:57 Grunt: is cloud cone a different targeter to glaciate? 16:58:41 wow storm clouds are... sort of spammy 16:59:08 They are different targeters, yes. 16:59:33 okay yeah, the cloud one doesn't seem to break in the same way that glaciate does when you aim it at walls 16:59:47 ...also I need to make storm clouds less spammy :b 17:00:16 dunno if that helps fixing glaciate really, i've not really looked how the targeter for it actually works 17:00:37 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:43 so my enchant weapon thing is done, except for a technical concern: http://pastie.org/pastes/8810419/text 17:04:22 i get item_use.cc:2315:18: warning: reference to local variable ‘nothing’ returned [enabled by default] 17:04:22 also acid fog looks sort of weird with just a fixed colour, not sure what other colours would work for it though 17:04:39 it works, and i see what the problem is, but i'm not really sure how to fix it 17:04:53 i'm more used to C and Java than C++, really 17:07:31 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:53 wheals: it looks like you should use pointers and then return NULL rather than a blank item_def 17:07:57 'nothing' isn't a pointer to an item_def 17:08:06 What he said 17:08:19 wheals: rather than return an item_def, you could return the item number (or NON_ITEM). 17:08:28 Or you could do pointers. 17:08:32 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:57 well, if you do use pointers, make sure you understand that error because the same UB rules rules apply 17:11:16 s/error/warning 17:11:18 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:11:48 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:56 a - a gold dragon armour 3582 gold 17:12:00 (this is before the server updates) 17:12:02 -!- kr4n3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:13:33 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:13:59 crawl's dungeon economy is about to enter the great depression 17:14:15 Well, ever since the Bargain card went away... 17:14:50 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:55 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:15:05 -!- rast- is now known as rast 17:16:40 ok, thanks! 17:16:47 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16:59 seems to work fine now 17:17:03 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17:58 i was hoping to use references for simplicity but this worked out well too 17:18:25 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2881-g20de702 (34) 17:18:57 a - a gold dragon armour 2080 gold 17:19:04 Considerably more reasonable <_< >_> 17:20:56 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2882-g6a44e58: Allow the player to choose a weapon when reading an enchant weapon scroll. 10(27 minutes ago, 5 files, 82+ 54-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6a44e583e1c9 17:21:17 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:03 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:26:49 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:29:13 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:30:04 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 17:30:14 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 17:32:31 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:32:31 -!- Zermako has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:32:31 -!- Zermako2 is now known as zermako 17:35:21 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:37:35 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:39:11 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:39:11 -!- Ququman_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:11 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:39:29 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:40:45 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:40:57 -!- N78291 has quit 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Xom thinks this is hilarious. 17:47:33 -!- N78291 has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 17:48:32 ontoclasm: it works??? 17:48:44 Grunt: turns out maybe not! 17:49:12 if it does i have no idea how! 17:50:08 it apparently uses tiles that i can't see loaded anywhere 17:50:43 oh 17:50:45 they're 17:50:57 in dc-feat instead of dc-tentacles 17:51:00 because ???? 17:52:21 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 17:53:27 oh ugh 17:53:30 this code 17:53:33 wow 17:53:38 -!- blackcustard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:55:22 jesus 17:55:37 okay somebody please remove vines so i don't have to code this 17:57:29 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:56 reflavour summon forest to summon abyss 17:58:18 summon kraken 17:58:29 krakens don't have pulling tentacles!! 17:58:32 but starspawn do 18:01:26 haha tentacle code? 18:01:36 allegedly it's some of the most horrible 18:01:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:02:19 every tentacle type needs ~20 tiles, 4 tile_flag enums, and looks like about 40 lines of code 18:02:25 or more 18:02:35 i'm making it -slightly- better 18:03:07 switch statements inside switch statement cases >.> 18:03:28 i 18:03:36 don't have to break after the default: case at the end right 18:03:45 i guess it wouldn't do anything 18:04:23 -!- WaveMotion has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:05:54 fuck, i have to add enums, and preferably in the middle 18:06:48 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:07:28 rip ontoclasm 18:07:53 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:59 clearly should ban any new forms of tentacles after this fourth type 18:08:22 (so giving Cigotuvi's Monster actual tentacles is out of the question? <_<) 18:08:27 at least somebody before me made a tentacle_type enum 18:08:35 which helps a little 18:08:48 i remember last time i looked at this that didn't exist 18:09:15 just make the cigotuvi monster have a starspawn base and make some weird different head tile :P 18:10:12 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:10:16 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:52 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:59 are vines supposed to come out of the ground 18:12:12 They're supposed to come out of the forest IIRC. 18:12:17 or connect to the tree like starspawn tentacles do 18:12:42 well, i don't know how to make them do that 18:13:01 currently they use the kraken's emerging-from-water tiles 18:13:46 "impossible kraken direction" is a pretty good assert message 18:13:54 i'm gonna name a band that 18:14:17 Jozef and the Impossible Kraken Directions 18:14:57 rename evilmike_abyss_rune_tentacle_tunnel to evilmike_abyss_rune_impossible_kraken_direction 18:15:50 -!- raskol_ is now known as raskol 18:18:05 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:55 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:12 okay, i'm getting there 18:20:29 can i, like, add a comment to rearrange enums later 18:20:49 on the save compat break we'll have in 2027 18:20:59 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 269 seconds] 18:20:59 -!- BirdoPrey_ is now known as BirdoPrey 18:21:14 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:21:20 -!- rast- is now known as rast 18:21:33 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: see the "Scheduling compatibility code for removal" section of 18:21:45 <|amethyst> !source docs/develop/save_compatibility.txt 18:21:46 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/docs/develop/save_compatibility.txt;hb=HEAD 18:22:01 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: you can put the future locations in #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION > 34 18:22:39 |amethyst: sadly won't let you link out of source dir 18:22:40 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:22:41 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: oh, unless you're talking about tile enums from dc-foo.txt, in which case use a comment 18:22:50 <|amethyst> !source ../docs/develop/save_compatibility.txt 18:22:51 Bad filename: ../docs/develop/save_compatibility.txt 18:22:54 <|amethyst> aww 18:23:21 <|amethyst> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/develop/save_compatibility.txt;hb=HEAD 18:23:28 <|amethyst> ??save compatibility 18:23:29 save compatibility ~ save compat ~ pie[3/3]: You throw a tomahawk. The tomahawk blinds the orb of fire. 18:23:40 <|amethyst> q??save_compat 18:23:40 save compat[1/1]: see {pie[3]} 18:23:40 haha 18:23:49 mmm 18:23:55 <|amethyst> !learn add save_compat[0] http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/develop/save_compatibility.txt;hb=HEAD 18:23:55 save compat[2/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/develop/save_compatibility.txt;hb=HEAD 18:23:59 <|amethyst> err 18:24:12 <|amethyst> !learn mv save_compat[2] save_compat[1] 18:24:12 save_compat[2] -> save compat[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/develop/save_compatibility.txt;hb=HEAD 18:25:45 !learn add gammafunk Todo: make !source allow searching outside of crawl-ref/source, let !source file match if file is in a subdir, and maybe make it use TAGS 18:25:46 gammafunk[4/4]: Todo: make !source allow searching outside of crawl-ref/source, let !source file match if file is in a subdir, and maybe make it use TAGS 18:26:01 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:10 %git :/Asterion 18:26:10 07gammafunk02 * 0.14-a0-2824-g266d581: Give Asterion a boost. 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 6+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=266d581aa199 18:26:49 !lg * ikiller=asterion start>=02-26-2014 18:26:50 2. mdk the Severer (L16 DDFi of Makhleb), blasted by Asterion (bolt of lightning) on D:14 on 2014-02-27 23:45:39, with 111891 points after 23651 turns and 3:04:59. 18:27:16 oh, a DDFi, how nice 18:27:22 !lg * ikiller=asterion start>=02-26-2014 -tv 18:27:22 2. mdk, XL16 DDFi, T:23651 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 18:28:57 People never use consumables before or at the beginning of a fight, it seems 18:29:31 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:29:42 !killratio asterion . 18:29:43 asterion wins 0.0% of battles against Grunt. 18:29:56 !lm . uniq=asterion 18:29:57 No milestones for gammafunk (uniq=asterion). 18:30:08 He never stood a chance; I was basically hilariously well-equipped to kill him. 18:30:14 Oh, that reminds me. 18:30:26 He's scared of his master 18:30:28 I was going to adjust unrand melee effect order. 18:30:44 !lm Grunt uniq=asterion 18:30:45 ...there was a patch on mantis somewhere that did some of that work, but I can't get to mantis right now! :( 18:30:50 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:24 oh, cdo still down? 18:31:24 ??is_cdo_down 18:31:27 !lg hangedman map=~hangedman 18:31:27 !lg hangedman kmap=~hangedman 18:31:27 .g . 18:31:27 1. [2014-02-28 00:18:45] SGrunt the Tortoise (L15 MiGl of Okawaru) killed Asterion on turn 37657. (D:16) 18:31:27 |amethyst: thanks, but actually i thought of a more elegant solution 18:31:27 which will actually cut the currently-used enums in half 18:31:32 rip Sequell 18:32:26 No games for hangedman (map=~hangedman). 18:32:26 4. SGrunt the Brawler (L17 TrAM of Xom), blasted by a greater naga (orb of energy) (kmap: grunt_snake_rune_pools) on Snake:5 on 2014-01-02 17:09:35, with 193347 points after 45338 turns and 2:13:52. 18:32:26 No games for hangedman (kmap=~hangedman). 18:32:26 is cdo down[1/2]: Yes, a server move is underway. It will be back Real Soon Now. 18:32:49 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:32:52 !cmd .g 18:32:57 Command: .g => !lg * !boring !won (( map=~grunt || kmap=~grunt )) $* 18:33:04 ... 18:33:18 .g . 18:33:20 5. gammafunk the Summoner (L11 HEIE of Sif Muna), shot by a vault guard (bolt) (kmap: grunt_vaults_entry_fortified) on D:15 on 2014-01-26 16:24:27, with 15007 points after 9077 turns and 1:22:27. 18:33:25 rip 18:33:27 oh, man yeah 18:33:31 worst grunt vault! 18:33:42 that vault is the bane of my existence 18:33:57 on the one hand vaults is real easy to spot, on the other it takes like 1k turns to get in 18:34:27 -!- glosham has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:34:51 and 9k turns, too; shame 18:35:20 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:27 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:13 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:39:13 -!- Watball has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:39:20 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:03 -!- Lprsti99 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:07 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:36 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:48 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:49 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:49 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:40:49 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:41:21 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:41:36 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:43:13 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 18:45:59 -!- buppy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:45:59 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:45:59 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:45:59 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:45:59 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:01:36 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:02:44 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 19:02:44 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 19:03:51 -!- xFleury has left ##crawl-dev 19:05:25 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2883-g84f1c15: Handle melee unrand effects after normal hit message (usually). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=84f1c1585764 19:05:33 !messages 19:05:34 No messages for TZer0_. 19:05:37 -!- TZer0_ is now known as TZer0 19:05:39 !messages 19:05:39 No messages for TZer0. 19:05:45 !tell TZer0 Messages for TZer0. 19:05:46 Grunt: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 19:06:18 -!- Krakhan|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 642 seconds] 19:06:28 -!- Ququman_ has quit [Ping timeout: 642 seconds] 19:06:28 -!- caleba has quit [Ping timeout: 642 seconds] 19:06:29 -!- caleba_ is now known as caleba 19:06:36 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 642 seconds] 19:06:36 -!- sstrickl has quit [Ping timeout: 642 seconds] 19:06:37 -!- sstrickl_ is now known as sstrickl 19:08:44 -!- Lprsti99_ has quit [Changing host] 19:15:50 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:24:48 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:24:54 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:35 -!- johlstei_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:18 -!- grujah has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:28:54 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:29:14 -!- Basil has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:29:42 -!- caleba has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:44 -!- yokelz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:44 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:44 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:45 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:45 -!- Porost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:45 -!- frostsnow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:45 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:46 -!- Fuzzwah has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:46 -!- rlund_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:46 -!- phyphor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:46 -!- lavos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:47 -!- Moredread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:47 -!- Grunt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:48 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:56 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 19:31:53 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:12 -!- Amnesiac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:34:51 -!- Watball_ is now known as Watball 19:38:39 water elemental (02E) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 6 | HP: 32-53 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 2212(engulf) | 11non-living, amphibious | Res: 13magic(immune), 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 212 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 19:38:39 %??water_elemental 19:39:07 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:43:13 okay, i do have a save-compat question 19:43:49 i'm repurposing some enmus, and i want to just unset all the tile_flags they represent when upgrading the save 19:43:58 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:44:10 they'll get set properly on the next screen refresh but i don't want anything weird happening 19:45:14 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:18 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:52:17 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:56 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:00 Grunt? 19:53:23 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:15 ogre mage (06O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 38-71 | AC/EV: 1/7 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 924 | Sp: haste other, crystal spear (3d28), blink, b.fire (3d18), b.cold (3d18), 04esc:minor healing (2d5) / haste other, mystic blast (3d15), invisibility, confuse, slow, 04esc:teleport self / haste other, paralyse, haste, b.lightning (3d17), confuse, 04esc:teleport self / haste other, sting (d10), blink, b.lightning (3d17), banishment, 04esc:minor healing (2d5) / haste other, throw flame (3d8), invisibility, teleport other, fireball (3d19) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 19:54:15 %??ogre_mage 19:54:39 So, I am wondering what the desired rest/interruption behavior for deterministic poison ought to be. What I would LIKE is the ability to generally rest off whatever is in your system with just one 5, and the game will know in advance if the level of poison is 'safe', but it does raise the question of what happens if you somehow have like 120 hp and 100 hp worth of poison? Should pressing 5 just re 19:54:39 duce you to 20 hp right there? I mean, it's 'safe', but maybe someone really would have rathered quaff !curing instead. Obviously you can't safeguard against everything a player probably SHOULD have done, but.... 19:55:05 And there's the issue of low hitpoint warnings interrupting it constantly anyway, even if the incoming damage is known to be non-fatal, which somewhat defeats the point? 19:55:19 !seen grunt 19:55:20 I last saw Grunt at Fri Feb 28 01:29:48 2014 UTC (25m 31s ago) joining the channel. 19:56:24 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: maybe pressing 5 once says "poison would drop you below the HP threshold", then pressing it again does it anyway? 19:56:37 DracoOmega: Why not the low-hp warning be the rest threshold? 19:56:46 Also things like regeneration become, icky, for making those calculations 19:56:48 That way players can set it to whatever they like 19:57:27 AreBrandon: Well, there's plenty of cases where it would reduce you below 50% hp (a lot of people set it there), but still be totally non-scary. And then once you hit the warning threshold, you need to press 5 once for every single TURN, which seems bad. 19:57:45 |amethyst: That might be a thought 19:58:04 Like, it occured to me that letting you autoexplore at 120 hp with 100 of it poisoned is not really much worse than letting you autoexplore at 20 hp, probably 19:58:10 Not a good idea, but not something we'd block 19:58:17 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:58:32 The only real difference I see is that you might have wanted to fix the poison first instead of losing a ton of hp to it 19:58:50 (But maybe you should have just been paying more attention before you pressed o again? I don't know) 20:00:20 Because REPEATED prompts, at least, seem quite bad when the player is already aware and is explicitly in no danger of dying directly from the prompted effect, even if they ignore it 20:01:36 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:40 also often you can outregen it 20:04:54 Well, not if there's a bunch of it 20:05:13 no, but if you're under 50% (or whatever) and wearing TLA or whatever 20:05:22 you still have to press enter for every tick 20:05:26 even though it's not actually hurting you 20:05:33 Yeah 20:05:46 Well, the idea is that if the poison isn't scary, then you can just 5 it off in one go 20:05:51 That is the hope 20:05:56 i am gonna be fucking floored if this compiles first time 20:06:02 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:06:23 But like, what if you are poisoned down to all but a couple of your hp, but have moved to someplace completely safe 20:06:46 5ing down to 10 to cure it seems like what you'd WANT to be able to do here 20:07:06 But maybe 5ing down to 10 is not something you'd want everywhere else? I don't know. 20:08:47 And if you have fatal poison in your system, presumably 5 just doesn't let you rest long-term. Since almost certainly you want to do something to fix this situation. (Or I guess sometimes maybe you can't, and then you just need to hold . to die?) 20:09:31 DracoOmega: maybe you should just reinvent poison? I'm fond of the idea where poison tells you how much damage you're going to take upfront. 20:09:42 suppose the awkward situation where you want to use 5 to let something come around the corner 20:10:04 bh: I feel you're slightly late to the conversation :P 20:10:16 I could imagine doing this with fatal poison for some reason 20:10:18 -!- cybie04 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:10:20 okay, at least i haven't broken anything, but vines aren't looking right 20:10:28 nonethousand: Well, surely you could just press . a couple times then? 20:10:32 Since they can't be that far away 20:10:32 DracoOmega: undoubtedly. Just make it do 1 damage per AUT and disable regen until it's gone. Then we can worry about other things 20:10:47 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:11:15 bh: I was planning something just a touch more involved than that (also already partially coded) 20:11:33 Disabling regen when you have poison? ew. 20:11:36 DracoOmega: sure, it's not a big problem and certainly it would be an improvement with the proposed system (since now you might have weak poison but be below the threshold and then 5 wouldnt work) 20:12:21 AreBrandon: if we went that route, we could discount total poison damage by regen rate. I just want something predictable. None of this "Oh man, maybe I'll get to 1hp and live" crap 20:12:46 DracoOmega: did you make barbs? That's a good mechanic. 20:12:51 (extremely far behind, wow) 20:14:34 bh: I did 20:14:47 good, make more stuff like that 20:14:57 Can you die from barbs without a prompt? 20:15:12 Um... probably? 20:15:13 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:18 bh: poison should just increase incoming damage by x% 20:16:27 tactically meaningful, does nothing out of combat 20:16:40 ontoclasm: that sounds like some other, unpoisonlike status 20:16:48 yeah probably 20:16:55 nonethousand: I can probably co-opt runrest_poison settings to care about percentage of current hp that is poisoned instead of 'damage per turn' and current hp or something, but the issue is still that once you fall below the threshold then 5 stops functioning entirely 20:16:59 "The orc hits you with quaddamage! Ouch!!!" 20:17:19 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:26 I suggested that poison increase the damage done by incoming poison-branded attacks (and have no other effects) 20:17:37 -!- y2s82_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:18:23 (resting it off would be useful if they are in a poison heavy area, but the rest of the time you just wouldn't need to one the poisoner was dead) 20:18:35 that would probably only have an impact in Snake 20:18:42 /Spider 20:19:16 Yeah, the suggestion needs more thought. 20:21:04 -!- Lasty1 has left ##crawl-dev 20:21:05 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:21:09 Keanan1: Your proposed poison effect is already taken by the unnamed weapon move for clubs. (That hasn't been mentioned in a while.) 20:21:38 reaverb1: you mean where repeated hits do extra damage? You could call the status 'clubbing' 20:21:59 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:22:01 bh: Yes that one, it didn't get in due to the bikeshedding IIRC. 20:22:06 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 20:22:13 And if you have status clubbing you keep taking selfies 20:22:30 and you're *so* drunk 20:22:47 gammafunk: Well !confusion were removed... 20:23:02 no, just slow 20:23:02 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:23:14 bh: shouldn't that quaddamage line be in all caps 20:23:20 ;] 20:24:10 wheals: Oh, oops. 20:25:28 open-area attack 20:25:32 make it happen 20:26:09 ontoclasm: I'm guessing that means "do more damage if you're next too open tiles" 20:26:15 no 20:26:20 it's flanking from sil 20:26:43 i.e. if you move from one spot next to a monster, to another spot next to the same monster, you get a free* attack on it 20:27:20 <|amethyst> free or half-cost attack after a move would be simpler to explain 20:27:23 *excluding maybe some speed concerns 20:27:25 ontoclasm: I support that too, although I normally hear/use the name "sidestep" for that idea. 20:27:38 yeah 20:27:51 silflank goodflank 20:27:52 it was called "open-area attack" in princessrl which is where i saw it first 20:28:06 so that's what it's called in my brain 20:28:06 |amethyst: a move that also attacks would probably be easier from a player's perspective 20:28:29 highlight the squares that you'd make an attack from, and then if you move to one, you attack for free 20:29:38 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:30:44 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/vines.png 20:30:49 disregard the red bits 20:31:25 Stupid tentacle tileflags, hey? 20:31:33 yeah 20:31:39 I'm interpreting the thorns as noise 20:31:55 The shading feels a bit... gradienty to me? 20:32:18 well, they're supposed to curling 20:32:46 maybe i should tone down the thorns? 20:32:57 or color them a different color 20:33:24 I mean more that it looks like alternating bands of smooth light/dark/light/dark moreso than the vine having texture/shading of its own? 20:33:25 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:31 -!- gnum_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:33:47 hm 20:33:48 Like a gradiant fill in the shape of the vine 20:34:03 yeah i guess that's accurate 20:34:13 -!- oberste1n has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:52 not really sure how to fix it, though 20:35:34 Yeah, I'm afraid I can't help there 20:35:41 Much better than anything *I* could produce :P 20:36:05 But it does look a little... awkward to me 20:36:29 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:36:40 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 20:37:06 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:06 -!- frostsnow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:06 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:07 -!- oberste1n is now known as oberstein 20:37:07 -!- tenofswords has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:07 -!- PleasingFungus_ is now known as PleasingFungus 20:37:07 -!- rlund_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:08 -!- Moredread has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:08 -!- raskol has quit [Client Quit] 20:37:08 -!- rlund_ has quit [Changing host] 20:39:03 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:48:02 -!- Sorbius_ is now known as Sorbius 20:48:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:48:50 okay, i can't figure out how to do this bit 20:52:49 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:52:50 the vine segment nearest the tree needs to set the tree as its "inwards" property 20:53:09 -!- Sgeo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:54:26 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [] 20:54:32 -!- Bovinius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:55:38 But doesn't that take an mindex? 20:55:44 Which a tree doesn't have, not being a creature 20:56:05 i can't tell 20:56:28 i can see the code in mon-util but i don't really get what it's doing 20:57:42 -!- zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all!] 21:07:07 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:07:27 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:27 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 21:07:27 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:04 how does the vine know where to pull you? 21:08:42 like, if it's one tile long, how does it know to pull you next to a tree? 21:09:44 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: hunter2] 21:10:47 oh 21:10:54 there's code specifically for it 21:11:11 it ends with eight separate }s 21:11:13 glorious 21:11:26 Hahahaha 21:11:34 and it's in no way helpful to me 21:11:41 Here's a possible suggestion 21:11:42 since it's within the "pull a guy" code 21:11:49 It doesn't need to be any SPECIFIC tree 21:11:56 yeah 21:11:57 Can you just scan for trees adjacent to it, and connect it to the first one? 21:12:02 maybe 21:12:18 So long as it's deterministic (which adjacent_iterator already is, I'm pretty sure), it shouldn't change from refresh to refresh 21:13:51 -!- Keanan1 has left ##crawl-dev 21:13:58 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:14:01 -!- Keanan1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:59 what's with the vine talk 21:15:22 i made vine tiles 21:15:28 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/vines.png 21:15:35 watch them get removed tomorrow 21:16:13 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 21:17:05 Get removed, what? 21:17:44 if only 21:19:54 Sometimes I wonder if you have a contractual obligation to be negative 21:20:35 Or do you just enjoy being a perpetual black cloud? 21:20:41 i'm just out for blood 21:20:51 Oh, is that all 21:21:01 and when there's a general perception of "too much", removing things helps 21:21:09 so i take what i get i guess 21:21:16 Blood and Souls for ChrisOelmueller! 21:21:32 ChrisOelmueller: 13 monsters have been removed in 0.14 21:21:37 and like 15-16 added 21:21:47 Also, 'fun and wacky spells' seems like not a great place to start removing things 21:21:52 No one is forcing you to cast it 21:21:59 that figure can't include the 25 new demonspawn then? 21:22:19 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22:22 25, welllll 21:22:38 what do i pass adjacent_iterator 21:22:46 it's not happy with just a coord_def 21:22:50 omg, is ontoclasm....writing code?! 21:22:57 hah 21:23:01 yes, i dod do that sometimes 21:23:33 not well, mind you 21:23:33 he is using mumra's morley noise code to generate tiles instead of layouts 21:23:35 A coord_def is what it wants 21:23:41 So, uh... 21:23:44 Maybe you're doing it wrong? >.> 21:23:49 probably 21:24:16 yeah, the coord_def of the center and a boolean for should it also iterate over the center 21:24:16 http://pastie.org/8810848 21:24:19 enlighten me :C 21:24:38 t_pos is the coord_def of the tentacle we're looking at 21:25:12 h_pos = grd() 21:25:13 ? 21:25:21 grd doesn't return a coord_deff 21:25:35 oh 21:25:40 what should i use then? 21:25:44 <|amethyst> *ai 21:25:46 *ai 21:25:47 hehe 21:25:49 oh 21:25:53 that's what the iterator does! 21:25:54 in fact 21:26:00 i see 21:26:02 <|amethyst> grd() looks up the feature 21:26:07 note the call to grd(*ai) you already have 21:26:21 yeah, i thought feat_is_tree was taking a coord_def too 21:26:41 thanks >.< 21:27:00 nope, names like feat_ should mean that said function takes a feature 21:27:58 |amethyst: I'm doing a patch to make the horn of geryon an xp-charged evoker like the elmentals, for save compat I notice that item.plus2 == 10 is the check for when said evokers are charged 21:28:11 and that other misc items default to a value of 50 21:28:41 so I could have compat code that looks for this (e.g. if the horn is generated already) and then set it to 10 21:28:51 and that should be the only thing I need 21:29:00 <|amethyst> isn't plus2 used to track whether it's been blown? 21:29:09 well that's gone now 21:29:16 <|amethyst> oh 21:29:19 hells are always unbarred 21:29:31 although good point, there might be some funny logic that still looks for it 21:29:43 <|amethyst> I knew it had changed but I didn't realise it was completely superfluous now 21:30:33 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I think probably you want to make a minor tag 21:31:05 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and if the save's minor version is less than that tag, set it to 10 (or whatever) 21:31:16 <|amethyst> it = horn.plus2 21:31:28 ok 21:31:43 <|amethyst> since you can't rely on the old plus2 having any particular value 21:31:53 yeah there's wizmode 21:32:04 rip develz 21:32:12 <|amethyst> well, also it might be from an old version where they did have to blow the horn 21:32:19 <|amethyst> so it's not necessarily 0 21:32:29 oh, sure, that as well 21:33:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:34:26 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:48 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:35:00 -!- rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:37:45 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:04 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:38:06 -!- rast- is now known as rast 21:41:30 -!- qoon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:48:19 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:32 i added some shading to the vines, too, maybe that'll help 21:50:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:52:13 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-2884-gdf76e18: Snaplasher vine tiles 10(5 minutes ago, 37 files, 143+ 80-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df76e187f337 21:53:06 ??snaplasher vine stalkers 21:53:07 I don't have a page labeled snaplasher_vine_stalkers in my learndb. 21:57:02 i'm done with plants for now :C 21:57:07 fuckin' plants man 22:01:42 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:08:01 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:09:13 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2881-g20de702 (34) 22:09:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 22:09:49 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 22:13:03 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:13:51 * Grunt appears! 22:14:56 -!- AlphaQ_ is now known as AlphaQ 22:15:55 * gammafunk evokes a rod of warding. Grunt dissappears in a puff of smoke. 22:16:08 * Grunt gestures. gammafunk's rod of warding dissolves into shadows! 22:20:00 s/dissolves into shadows/disappears in a puff of logic/ 22:20:34 * Grunt gestures. wheals is devoured by a tear in logic. 22:24:54 what's the plan with LO anyways 22:26:38 merge them with vs 22:26:42 lava stalkers 22:26:51 vine orcs 22:27:12 Lava Vines? 22:28:22 wouldn't that result in a race that has the same problem that dj had (i.e. too many gimmicks) 22:28:41 And look what happened with Dj 22:29:26 (The joke completely misses Lightli.) 22:29:31 :) 22:29:41 But I didn't even train Dodging 22:31:49 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:33:58 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:35:39 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:45 -!- Grunt_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:28 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37:28 -!- Grunt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37:31 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37:31 -!- rlund_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37:31 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37:33 -!- PleasingFungus_ is now known as PleasingFungus 22:37:39 -!- SeianVerian_ is now known as SeianVerian 22:38:02 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:40:47 -!- rast-- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:40:48 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:42:26 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:42:26 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:43:33 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:33 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 22:43:34 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! 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23:30:31 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 23:30:33 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! 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