00:02:19 |amethyst: would you have any objection to giving the player e.g. 27 !experience on some of these branches (as a cheap substitute for wizmode)? 00:02:27 Only for ones where that would make any kind of sense 00:03:01 <|amethyst> I suggested that for glaciate-testing (and I think it had it briefly), but Grunt decided it wasn't appropriate there 00:03:03 I guess the branch authors simply need to do that themselves, but 00:03:09 <|amethyst> yeah 00:03:49 Seems like we might catch more bugs that way, anyhow 00:04:01 (You squash the bug like a commit!!!) 00:04:06 <|amethyst> I still need to think about it, but I'm considering allowing wizmode on experimental 00:04:42 Can't some map loading commands get crawl stuck in a loop? 00:04:46 Well, namely & P 00:04:49 <|amethyst> will require splitting off crawl-experimental-launcher from crawl-stable-launcher but that's been due anyway 00:05:06 If you load a float map with that 00:05:15 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yeah, but you can peg the CPU in other ways 00:05:21 gammafunk: I think we'd be more worried about the potential to own the chroot ... 00:05:40 SamB: Sure, of course that's a bigger concern, but they're both problems 00:05:42 or trash it, at any rate 00:05:45 Hey, I was thinking about taking the fsmin code and making a "Compare weapon a to weapon b" thing, since that's a pretty popular activity for people in the forum, and then it occured to me, that would it be awful if such a thing existed in not-wizmode? 00:05:46 <|amethyst> SamB: because the non-wizmode parts of crawl have been thoroughly audited... :) 00:06:00 <|amethyst> SamB: for that matter, ee and virus 00:06:18 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13.1-28-g3517093 00:06:39 fsim is rather bugged and probably not ready for inclusion anywhere 00:06:52 and i'm also not sure this level of detail needs to be exposed 00:06:52 Well, there is that. 00:07:07 <|amethyst> Keanan: the way fs works it would be bad 00:07:27 <|amethyst> Keanan: since it actually places the monster, runs some stuff, removes statuses you got from combat, etc 00:07:32 weapon delays right now (as they'll hopefully stay) are transparent enough imo, the only thing that might still need a bit more help are brands and how they interact? 00:07:38 <|amethyst> Keanan: the bugs ChrisOelmueller points out: it leaks into the game itself 00:07:41 and some scheme of monster defenses 00:07:46 I was thinking something a little more like "Hey player, weapon A is better given your current skills/stats/etc. is better than weapon B" 00:08:06 |amethyst: It doesn't even remove all the statuses, either 00:08:12 comparing weapons usually isn't that simple 00:08:15 |amethyst: And then sometimes creatures huge piles of items on the ground :P 00:08:18 creates* 00:08:26 Yeah, I've noticed a lot of the bugs. 00:08:28 since different brands are better against different monsters 00:08:28 DracoOmega: bonus! 00:08:29 oh, I've not seen fsim do that, neat 00:08:48 <|amethyst> until not too long ago, it left big piles of ammo :) 00:08:53 it can also completely ruin your char! that is exciting too 00:08:56 I was thinking about making a couple generic "safe" monsters to use for comparison 00:09:16 (gammafunk, try fsming a ghost moth, or lich) 00:09:35 I imagine Mnoleg fills you up with mutations, too? 00:09:39 and yeah, while players are asking for that A or B comparison a lot, usually it just either isn't that easy or they should be able to tell themselves from trying out both 00:09:42 ghost moths leave items on the ground? 00:09:42 Or does he just blink you away and give bad data? 00:09:56 also stuff like venom, protection, cleave can't really be quantified 00:09:57 Ghost moths do stat drains 00:10:03 I was talking about items 00:10:10 Yeah, I've seen the status thing 00:10:14 (also neat) 00:10:29 That's true. Venom is particularly hard to quantify. 00:10:50 Instead at a "get advice from greaterplayer" command 00:10:55 Heheh 00:11:07 "elliptic fortune cookie" 00:11:18 > go kiku 00:11:21 fortune cookie that gives a random learndb entry 00:11:25 r?? 00:11:27 bad_excuse[11/22]: I thought I could kill it 00:11:31 that's a good one 00:11:36 good 00:11:56 Haha 00:11:58 That is a very good one 00:12:16 r?? 00:12:18 record_games[1/10]: !lg * won min=turn -tv: r?? 00:12:23 chris[5/5]: I just do what the tavern tells me 00:12:26 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2837-gcbd6d6a (34) 00:12:31 rip ice storm 00:13:03 when do we update the learndb to notify people of it's removal 00:13:08 cue bug reports of people saying ice storm has the wrong targetting system 00:13:13 Hehe 00:13:14 DracoOmega: have you tried SIGTERMing during fsim? 00:13:15 What's the shorthand to get all of the entries for one word at once again? 00:13:23 ??ice_storm 00:13:23 ice storm[1/4]: The most powerful ice conjuration, dealing 40%-resistible cold damage in a large radius and leaving behind freezing clouds. Like its incendiary counterpart, it makes a godawful racket when cast. 00:13:24 minmay: This may be difficult to do in tiles 00:13:30 !readall bad excuse 00:13:31 I'll go follow up my post in the tavern letting people know it's commited :) 00:13:38 DracoOmega: just close the window 00:13:50 Does it leave the monster there or something, I guess? 00:13:53 !readall bad_excuse 00:13:54 but i wanted the loot / but i was running out of food / but jellies will eat it / but i would lose xp / but the wiki said / but i like chei / but my aptitude is -2 / but i might need it later / I didn't expect the minotaur to actually hit me 2/3 times / it got lucky / I thought I could kill it / but I was wearing faith / ew, 3020 zig, that won't have anything of worth... 00:13:56 learn add Ice_Storm Removed in .14; replaced by {glaciate}. 00:14:03 DracoOmega: ok well if you want me to spoil it, what it does is give you like a million xp 00:14:10 Oh, hahaha 00:14:16 Nice 00:14:53 1learn add ice_storm Removed in .14; replaced by {glaciate} to the horror of IEs everywhere 00:15:16 1learn e ice_storm[1] s/horror/delight/ 00:15:16 I am pretty sure the aim is not to horrify any IEs 00:15:18 Just you 00:15:27 i agree 00:15:36 yeah, to the horror of IEs that run into lom lobon 00:15:38 In a lot of ways it's better than ice storm :) 00:15:43 the goal of crawl developemnt is to horrify Lightli 00:16:02 I was joking 00:16:12 wheals was not 00:16:18 oh 00:16:30 ChrisOelmueller was though 00:16:37 so when do HO, Be, and Trog get removed :v 00:17:02 (also, someone with a better sense of humor than me do the learndb entry, I need to sleep) 00:17:15 we'll remove Trog and HO, but keep Be 00:17:48 <|amethyst> Be will be "Beogh" 00:18:03 <|amethyst> so you can play a Spriggan Beogh, Deep Elf Beogh, etc 00:18:09 * Lightli is not horrified by this idea 00:18:16 The Koreans will LOVE IT! 00:18:17 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:18:20 * Lightli goes to sleep 00:18:50 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2820-gd1528c4 (34) 00:21:12 Grunt: fallout version? what does it do, turn enemies hit by it into mutants? 00:21:17 <|amethyst> gammafunk: maybe it's because having an orcish army is the closest to starcraft you get in Crawl 00:22:44 but what about yred? 00:23:30 wheals: yes, ice mutants 00:24:04 white very ugly thing (16u) | Spd: 11 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 45-85 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 1812(cold:12-35) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 02cold++ | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 832 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 00:24:04 %??white very ugly thing 00:24:08 ...those? 00:24:40 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 00:24:51 unknown monster: "whte_very_ugly_thing" 00:24:51 %??whte_very_ugly_thing name:ice_mutant n_rpl 00:24:56 ice mutant (16u) | Spd: 11 (move: 90%) | HD: 12 | HP: 45-85 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 1812(cold:12-35) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 02cold++ | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 832 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 00:24:56 %??white_very_ugly_thing name:ice_mutant n_rpl 00:25:15 Grunt: I'm confused by your statement in that tavern thread that the falloff version is too strong...unless I'm reading wrong it's strictly worse than ice storm? 00:25:22 Unknown spell name: 'freezing cloud,bolt of cold,glaciate' in 'freezing_cloud,bolt_of_cold,glaciate' 00:25:22 %??white_very_ugly_thing name:ice_mutant n_rpl spells:freezing_cloud,bolt_of_cold,glaciate 00:25:28 (unless monsters and walls are in very specific locations I suppose) 00:25:39 <|amethyst> gammafunk: semicolon 00:25:52 oh, and probably monster isn't updated as well 00:25:53 not getting hurt at point blank range sounds useful 00:26:02 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:09 <|amethyst> that too 00:26:51 -!- bencryption has quit [Client Quit] 00:29:02 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:30:30 wheals: that situation is very rare, though (and you could just take the 50% chance of missing the monster with ice storm, anyway) 00:31:40 I mean, you can hit adjacent enemies with fire storm reliably, but it's very, very rare that you actually need that (I don't think I ever have) 00:32:36 well, not even necessarily adjacent, just near enough that you'd get hit by a blast that would get them all 00:33:19 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2838-g2ad7808: The +7,+7 lajatang of Order {silver, rMut} 10(2 months ago, 6 files, 48+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ad780872f83 00:34:06 -!- Quashie has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 00:34:23 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:36:18 minmay: i guess really he's talking about the case where there are a lot of weak monsters, since it has a very big area of effect, though not as big as shatter/tornado i guess 00:36:53 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:37:53 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10433 | Sp: glaciate, conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 00:37:53 <|amethyst> %??lom lobon 00:38:26 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2839-g31ee8e6: Remove old TYPE: line from art-data.txt. (Grunt) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31ee8e6f2f3d 00:38:28 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:44 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40:04 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:43:03 oh, back to lajatang? 00:43:15 rip, players in pan 00:47:21 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2820-gd1528c4 00:51:03 -!- Kasofa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:52:43 -!- johnny0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:53:20 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:06:33 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 01:08:48 Horn of Geryon has misleading description by Arrhythmia 01:09:22 Grunt: You in bed yet? 01:12:31 !tell Grunt gowby's HO went Oka->TSO and had invocations disabled even with full piety. A reload of the game fixed it. 01:12:32 gammafunk: OK, I'll let grunt know. 01:14:11 great, i used fsim against boris and it drained all my skills to 0 01:14:59 &H does fix that 01:15:09 (It also gives you extra hp for some reason, annoyingly) 01:15:23 yes, and I can just get rN+++ to get a good fsim trial, but it is still a bug surely 01:15:23 DracoOmega: yeah, dpeg was saying that's a feature, but I agree it's annoying 01:15:43 Yes, I agree it's a bug 01:16:00 This was more of a remedial option, if you weren't already aware :P 01:17:32 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:18:57 Octopode fsim: ASSERT(constricting->find(whom.mid) == constricting->end()) in 'actor.cc' at line 599 failed. by minmay 01:20:02 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:21:18 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:22:15 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 01:22:59 nice bug report title 01:27:07 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:27:12 sorry, i havent been sleeping well lately and i just ate 2 hard boiled eggs and like 10 generic brand fig newtons 01:28:42 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:30:31 1learn add minmay_guide 01:42:49 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:44:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:02 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:15 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:52 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Client Quit] 01:48:33 those generic brand fig netwons....those can kill you 01:48:44 s/netwons/newtons/ 01:48:53 yea. so dry they choke you 01:53:08 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:54:41 -!- johnny0 has quit [*.net *.split] 01:56:15 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:58:36 -!- notcluie has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:58:54 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:59:36 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:51 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:31 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.13.1-28-g3517093 02:19:08 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 02:20:07 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 02:20:59 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:22:33 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:59 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2839-g31ee8e6 (34) 02:24:27 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:32:02 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:47:41 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:02:18 -!- Adumbration has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:05:02 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:14:00 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14:11 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:17:39 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:18:23 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:19:33 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:19:37 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:19:42 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:20:06 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:30:44 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:54 '@' displays studying from manuals of restricted skills by Sprucery 03:34:03 -!- Felyza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:35:38 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:37:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:37:52 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:29 -!- randomizr has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:45:47 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:45:47 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 03:45:47 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:17 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:58:34 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:59:23 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:59:57 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 03:59:59 -!- rast- is now known as rast 04:16:51 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:19:55 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:20:41 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:21:11 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:22:50 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:31:42 -!- evablue has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:39:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:59:57 -!- Implojin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:05:30 -!- jmbto has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:35 -!- jmbto has quit [Client Quit] 05:11:49 !messages 05:11:50 No messages for TZer0. 05:13:08 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: night!] 05:13:33 -!- gribl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:20:10 -!- honeybadger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:22:25 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:29 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13.1-28-g3517093 05:22:34 hahahaha 05:22:38 that build started hours ago!! 05:22:44 oh god. 05:22:45 hmm 05:23:12 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:33 I'm going to run updates on the server now. 05:31:29 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:35:02 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:40:54 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2839-g31ee8e6 (34) 05:41:09 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:44:34 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13.1-28-g3517093 05:45:41 Could someone look at the 0.12-rebuild trigger on my server? 05:45:46 Just run it and see what happens.. 05:54:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:59:22 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:18 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 06:19:12 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:02 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:20:59 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:25:38 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:27:33 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:27:42 -!- julian____ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:14 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:45:25 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 06:47:19 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:59:28 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 07:02:17 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:58 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:33 !messages 07:05:34 (1/4) alefury said (1w 2h 43m 21s ago): have you seen this? https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10899 07:06:08 alefury: yes, MarvinPA also !told me about it. :) It looks alright, shame we stopped at potions and scrolls back then (my fault, as always). 07:26:21 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 07:30:29 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:22 -!- RZX has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 07:34:56 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:41:42 <|amethyst> TZer0: Is there a git process still running? 07:42:30 <|amethyst> TZer0: if not, do as it says and remove that lock file 07:44:44 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 07:47:10 will check 07:48:22 hmm, where would that lockfile be? :/ 07:48:43 <|amethyst> fatal: Unable to create '/home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/crawl-build/crawl-git-repository/.git/modules/crawl-ref/source/contrib/freetype/index.lock': File exists. 07:49:52 okay, rebuild no works. 07:49:54 *now 07:50:05 I'm going to space out the builds now 07:50:09 with 8 hours between them 07:56:30 !learn add CLAN Rebuilds trunk at 00:00 GMT+1, 0.12 at 08:00 GMT+1 and 0.13 at 16:00 GMT+1 07:56:30 clan[3/3]: Rebuilds trunk at 00:00 GMT+1, 0.12 at 08:00 GMT+1 and 0.13 at 16:00 GMT+1 07:59:41 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:59:55 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:33 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:25 !tell Grunt http://i.imgur.com/znUzAU4.jpg 08:02:26 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let grunt know. 08:03:50 it seems to do a whole bunch of broken stuff like that 08:04:44 question 08:05:00 how do I with git go back to the master branch 08:05:22 and how do I make it display damage numbers without going into the spammy as hell debug mode 08:05:23 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:05:28 "git reset --hard origin/master" if you want to discard all your local changes 08:06:48 now how do i make it update to the latest trunk version (rip ice storm) 08:06:54 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 08:07:24 Stable (0.12) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.12.3-0-g1000ab5 08:08:02 !tell Grunt it seems to just really dislike walls: http://i.imgur.com/hd2qdJY.png :( 08:08:03 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let grunt know. 08:09:00 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:06 Lightli: git pull, if you read through docs/develop/git/quickstart.txt it covers most of the basics 08:09:15 thanks 08:10:19 still wondering about the damage number question 08:10:27 -!- sstrickl has quit [Client Quit] 08:10:50 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:11:17 no idea if there's a good way other than debug mode 08:11:38 the problem with that is debug mode is message spam: the mode 08:11:42 -!- jmbto has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:38 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:52 uh, I managed to somehow fall out of all the branches, how do I go back to master 08:14:06 git checkout master 08:14:07 Basil: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:14:19 -!- Amy has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:17:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:19:08 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:19:12 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:20:00 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:19 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20:45 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:13 -!- asdfe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:21:36 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:50 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:22:15 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:46 do xom potion effects exclude some potions? 08:23:11 I'm pretty sure I've never gotten !resistance for example. 08:23:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:23:58 !source _xom_potion 08:24:00 Couldn't find _xom_potion in the Crawl source tree 08:24:02 !source _xom_do_potion 08:24:03 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/xom.cc;hb=HEAD#l1061 08:24:23 so yeah just a list of a bunch of specific potions 08:24:23 Needs !lig 08:24:47 no it doesn't 08:25:49 Anyhone have any opinions on what to do with the horn of geryon? 08:26:07 Let it summon friendly hell beasts with enough evoc 08:26:11 Currently it has an innaccurate description that refers to unbarring the ways to the hells 08:26:59 is it an evil item? 08:28:42 Removal seems to be the best option, unless anyone has any specific ideas on how to make it interesting 08:29:00 ??hell beast 08:29:00 hell beast[1/2]: Stats are random. Speed: 10-17. AC: 2-6. EV: 7-11. HD: 4-7. Tramples. 08:29:40 that seems really easy to enslave 08:31:37 gammafunk: I like it as a trophy, for troves for example. 08:31:44 Removing it would lose a cool trove key, yes 08:32:32 Like, even if it did nothing, I think sometimes making a side-trip to Hell to kill him for a trove is fun 08:32:34 What is wrong with making it a really frightening sound, a la Fear plus Breathe time out_ 08:32:44 Well, it could just summon non-hostile hell beasts 08:32:47 In theory 08:33:41 just making the hell beasts friendly (or charmed with duration based on evo?) would at least give it some reason to still exist past being a trove key, yeah 08:33:57 Limit? 08:34:44 -!- Sirrick has quit [Client Quit] 08:35:46 hell beast (072) | Spd: 10-17 | HD: 5 | HP: 40-97 | AC/EV: 4/9 | Dam: 28, 2007(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(20), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 445 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 08:35:46 %??hell beast 08:35:47 yeah, probably would need to be capped, which is easy to do 08:36:20 Infinite beasts from hell 08:36:33 Sounds like a visit from my in-laws 08:36:39 :) 08:36:53 -!- evablue has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:37:02 It shouldn't create long lasting hostile beasts or not create them hostile at all I think. 08:37:45 it'll probably just end up as a "typical" summon demon spell; chance of hostile based on evo 08:38:10 although I'm not sure how the staff of asmo works 08:38:15 ??staff_of_asmodeus 08:38:16 I don't have a page labeled staff_of_asmodeus in my learndb. 08:38:24 <|amethyst> make it recall you to the Vestibule and surround you with hostile beasts/whatever 08:38:31 mmm 08:38:36 <|amethyst> or recall you to the vestibule then crumble 08:38:43 gammafunk: high duration summons with temporary charm enchantment 08:38:43 -!- Zicher has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:38:47 Free step into abyss 08:38:50 seems decent? 08:39:25 so the charm expires and they turn hostile, similar to current summon greater demon when you get a 1 (except asmodeus summons then stick around hostile for longer and you can't abjure them) 08:39:55 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:40:07 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:29 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2840-g246cfd0: Remove the =k inscription 10(21 hours ago, 2 files, 11+ 42-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=246cfd04e39c 08:40:29 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2841-g4dd8b08: Remove giant centipedes 10(19 hours ago, 27 files, 28+ 83-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4dd8b08a893a 08:40:29 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2842-g00aeda1: Remove AF_POISON_NASTY 10(17 hours ago, 5 files, 14+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=00aeda11b0ee 08:40:29 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2843-g037f6f4: Remove ancient bears 10(16 hours ago, 15 files, 10+ 81-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=037f6f49984f 08:40:29 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2844-g4f3eef1: Fix a Zig loot comment 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f3eef1df555 08:40:29 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2845-gcb805d7: Don't list untrainable skills as studied when carrying a useless manual (#8215) 10(85 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb805d74da1d 08:40:29 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2846-gb5f8330: Lajatang of Order description fixes 10(76 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5f8330005bd 08:40:56 -!- Lasty2 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:41:07 !lg * ckiller=giant_centipede 08:41:07 311. freej the Magician (L3 OpWz), succumbed to a giant centipede's poison on D:3 (gup_sewer_entry_glass) on 2014-02-25 20:54:51, with 121 points after 1950 turns and 0:07:23. 08:41:21 right so I just tested it in wizmode and the abuse with hostile beasts vs hellfire users still exists 08:41:35 in face even if they were hostile forever you could hit them once 08:41:40 and you have the hellfire shield again 08:41:43 *fact 08:41:46 ??asmodeus 08:41:46 MarvinPA: Yeah, I guess that makes sense, as they are a t-2 08:41:46 So it's like mini-SGD 08:41:46 4 removals in a row, new world record 08:41:47 asmodeus[1/1]: Casts hellfire, and summons hellions, brimstone fiends, balrugs and assorted fiery popcorn. Guards the obsidian rune, and drops the Sceptre of Asmodeus when killed. 08:42:27 Hey devfolk, can I interest any of you in the sacrifice god I posted to the tavern? It seemed like there was positive player excitement, and dpeg seemed moderately interested, FWIW. 08:42:29 i'm guessing that's about geryon's horn being very useful 08:42:49 being very stupid more like 08:42:51 did i guess that right out of context 08:42:52 dpeg interested in gods?! 08:43:03 no not really 08:44:03 gammafunk: always! 08:45:16 Lasty2: don't expect too much: mikee's stealth god was an exception. Take the time to polish the design, write a wiki entry and be patient :) 08:45:17 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:46:53 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:48:01 dpeg: Ok, will do. Is there any value to me coding it up, or is it unlikely to be accepted even if coded unless it's polished and wiki'd first? 08:48:35 indidentally re: AF_POISON_NASTY, i think there are still way too many different types of monster poison, possibly it could be simplified further (base the amount of poisoning on monster HD rather than having separate AF_POISON and AF_POISON_MEDIUM?) 08:49:48 ??sceptre_of_asmodeus 08:49:49 sceptre of asmodeus[1/1]: +7, +7 staff. Evoke for an evo/30 chance to summon a charmed efreet/sun demon/balrug/hellion/brimstone fiend (which will turn hostile before timing out). Can't be abjured! 08:49:49 sea snake (11S) | Spd: 12 (swim: 40%) | HD: 10 | HP: 48-81 | AC/EV: 2/15 | Dam: 2404(strong poison) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 741 | Sz: Medium | Int: reptile. 08:49:49 %??Sea snake 08:50:00 black mamba (02S) | Spd: 18 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 4/15 | Dam: 2004(medium poison) | cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(28), 03poison | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 457 | Sz: Medium | Int: reptile. 08:50:00 %??Black mamba 08:50:11 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:50:22 that could work 08:50:22 "as long as there's more than 0 it's too many" 08:50:40 03Sage02 07* 0.14-a0-2847-g1d9be47: Make autosacrifice work with Fedhas. 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 24+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d9be4717a84 08:50:43 adder (09S) | Spd: 13 (swim: 60%) | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 1/15 | Dam: 508(poison) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(8), 12drown | XP: 13 | Sz: little | Int: reptile. 08:50:43 %??adder 08:50:43 but yeah i guess that could be done 08:50:46 MarvinPA: Not that it's very helpful, but DracoOmega is working on a "new poison" branch 08:51:07 where is that branch. 08:51:07 He hopes to get it in for 0.14 from what he said, or at least to try 08:51:18 does this new poison reduce your maxhp 08:51:21 until cured 08:52:36 does the branch change how monsters apply poison? i thought it was just about how it affects/times out on players 08:52:41 Lasty2: code makes it much more likely for anything to go in. However, I say that currently there are some open questions... take the time and discuss these (you can also send me an email, if you like). 08:52:41 0.14 or later should never be a concern 08:53:26 dpeg: thanks! 08:53:56 Yeah, it may not touch poison application at all 08:54:03 MarvinPA: Well, the branch doesn't exist enough to do any of these things yet, but I was thinking of something similar to what you said, already 08:54:10 In terms of reducing the number of poison AFs 08:54:31 ah cool 08:54:40 I think that some changes to application will end up being necessary as the damage system changes, just to get rough parity again 08:54:53 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:55:21 But I haven't really worked on that yet (I spent some time today poking at displaying the poisoned segment of your hp in the health bar, though >.>) 08:55:41 Display code is scary and foreign to me 08:55:47 is that with deterministic poison? 08:55:51 Yes 08:56:06 DracoOmega: ...and, maybe special code for webtiles? 08:56:27 Yeah, I don't know about webtiles. I think in this case webtiles actually uses the console code for health bar display? 08:56:34 The one to the right, not the one on the map area, I mean 08:56:53 Though local tiles uses something slightly different 08:57:21 (Also, I find it somewhat baffling that arriving at proper colors the health bar here is done by adding 16 times the color to BLACK >.>) 08:57:25 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:57:46 !calc 16*16 08:57:47 256 08:57:55 Which doesn't even seem to make any sense when phrased that way :P 09:00:24 -!- jmbto has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 09:01:08 DracoOmega: this might be legacy code of Paul Dubois, it should be put on a pedestal :) 09:01:23 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:02:58 Haha 09:03:04 I don't pretend to understand some of it 09:03:13 I just poked it around until it mostly did what I told it to do 09:03:59 But the bar-printing code in general assumes only one 'divider', so it needs some coxing to consider an extra region in it 09:04:12 (And this is less straightforward than one might think) 09:04:35 DracoOmega: oh i took a brief look at the summons branch btw, i'm not sure i'm a fan of the spell golem thingy, for the same reasons i wasn't keen on dith shadow mimic mimicking player spells exactly 09:04:37 DracoOmega: WebTiles does need some code, but it should be pretty simple. 09:05:19 MarvinPA: Is it that the formula don't really match that well? 09:05:55 right, the fact that monster spells are often pretty different from player ones damage-wise, and that it's sort of spoilery exactly which spells actually have monster versions 09:05:55 It felt sort of better to me on an independant entity, anyway 09:06:11 Well, the spell list here is fairly simple, I think 09:06:22 Since it only draws from a fairly straightforward subset of spells anyway 09:08:31 right, but then you sort of have to know what that list is (magic dart but not searing ray, imb but not dazzling spray, meph but not conjure flame) 09:08:33 I guess if I felt some lack of equivalency in damage formulae wasn't so much a problem when it's not supposed to be specifically some kind of general passive power boost or something the player is doing. You can already summon monsters via other means that use many of these spells (shadow creatures if nothing else, but also various demons and so forth) 09:08:52 Well, magic dart is on the fallback list, and I should hope no one casting it ever gets that :P 09:08:59 Since you only can if you have nothing good at all 09:09:01 right the damage isn't so much of an issue as the spell selection in this case i think 09:10:05 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:10:06 monster magic dart is actually very good 09:10:07 Hmmm... my aim was mostly to make it so that you didn't need to think much about it and just got a fairly representative set of your better conjurations. 09:10:12 I do see your point, though 09:10:20 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:30 Like, I hoped to think that you shouldn't need to worry specifically about what you get? 09:10:40 And it just generally seemed to do similar things to what you could 09:11:11 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:12:12 (Do also keep in mind that someone can xv it now, if they're curious what it has, and each cast should produce the same things) 09:12:12 maybe, it seems sort of feasible to me that you'd pick it up after finding say, the book of conjurations on a summoner though 09:12:30 So you can actually see its spell list 09:12:47 and two out of the four spells that you'd probably expect it to be able to use in that don't work on monsters 09:12:59 Hmmm.... a point 09:13:20 It would end up with IMB and nothing else 09:13:26 (I did consider adding battlesphere to the list) 09:15:28 maybe it could just select spells with some loose weighting based on your skills? rather than on exactly what you have memorised 09:15:35 not sure if that would actually be much better though, hmm 09:16:53 Speaking of Dith's shadow mimic conjurations, they're way better than shadow mimic ranged combat, which in turn is way better than shadow mimic melee. 09:16:55 As I said, I'm sort of inclined to think what it does will be fairly transparent in practice? That a lot of times if you have that much conjurations skill, you will have a couple spells that it will choose to focus on because they're higher level, and that's all that thought you'll need to put into it. I mean, I could be wrong there. 09:17:10 I am also extremely tired and ought to be in bed, though 09:17:18 So I don't think I have much else to contribute at the moment ^^; 09:17:27 heh okay 09:17:27 -!- raskol__ is now known as raskol 09:17:38 See ya! 09:17:46 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:17:57 -!- raskol_ has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 09:19:36 -!- Lasty2 is now known as Lasty 09:22:06 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:26:03 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:29:11 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:01 any thoughts on reverting 8afd272e87 09:30:09 i'm not sure what it achieves other than making monster removals more confusing 09:31:13 %git 8afd272e87 09:31:14 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-2230-g8afd272: Ghostify any axed monsters. 10(1 year ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8afd272e8701 09:33:31 MarvinPA: cannot comment, you might have to take the lead 09:33:45 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:34:29 there might be some advantage to it that i'm missing, but i'm pretty sure that explicitly showing that a monster is a "removed MONS_WHATEVER" is clearer at least 09:37:07 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:38:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:45:32 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:50:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:53:04 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:54:25 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:59:37 -!- pythonsnake1 is now known as pythonsnake 10:00:02 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:00:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:00:54 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:29 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:06:41 Tile for Zombie Goliath Beetle by benhanson 10:12:57 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:15:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:21:03 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:23:20 -!- ainsophy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:43 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:24:25 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:46 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:29:32 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:32 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:32:44 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:33:40 -!- coralr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:40:01 -!- coralr has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:41:21 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44:24 -!- edhmaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:48:33 -!- Kasofa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:50:29 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:35 -!- Napcat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:57:14 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:00:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:03:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:08:50 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:09:59 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:41 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:13:04 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:00 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.1-28-g3517093 11:19:59 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:20:41 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:21:41 MarvinPA: I've stared at that code for a while but I haven't been able to figure out why that keeps happening :( 11:24:14 Grunt: Is that invo training thing I !told you about already fixed? I seemed to remember it having been already, but... 11:24:32 gammafunk: supposedly it's fixed, but it keeps cropping up!!! 11:25:41 You squish the bug like a grape!!! The bug revives and scampers away! 11:25:57 The bug rejoins the land of the living... 11:26:27 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:26:34 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2847-g1d9be47 (34) 11:46:06 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:29 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 11:52:26 -!- julian____ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:52:28 The current changelog still mentions Enchanted Forest 11:57:39 -!- Implojin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:58:33 -!- soadzombi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:58:58 Wasn't there a commit or patch for the memorisation interface? Anyone has an idea what I could mean? 11:59:38 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:00 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:49 -!- Utis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:53 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:04:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:06:40 Yes, I think there was a large patch for that, will find in a sec 12:06:47 -!- Implojin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:48 %git :/avatar 12:06:49 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2787-g4695f10: Nudge grand avatar monster description. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4695f106a828 12:07:27 -!- Implojin_ has quit [Client Quit] 12:07:55 %git 8ffe610 12:07:55 07gammafunk02 {|amethyst} * 0.14-a0-2725-g8ffe610: Convert alignment of a monster avatar when its summoner's alignment changes. 10(3 weeks ago, 8 files, 113+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ffe610920d4 12:10:29 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:13:41 there is something on mantis 12:13:58 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:14:14 unless you don' mean #7843 in which case i have no idea, sorry 12:16:37 yes, found it! 12:16:42 thx 12:16:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 12:19:26 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 12:19:27 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:19:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:51 -!- Ququman_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:36 -!- kr4n3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:23:45 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:26:52 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:26:53 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:36:41 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:43:40 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:43 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:44:37 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:14 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:45:36 -!- ainsophy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:52:18 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:55:05 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:36 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:59 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05:13 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:16:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:21:54 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:56 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:58 So say I made a patch to remove the horn of Geryon how does that sound? 13:34:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 13:36:27 i think i like the idea of keeping it for troves at least 13:37:02 same here 13:37:16 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:37:52 Huh I forgot about that one. Seems strange to have an item whose only use is maybe opening a trove though 13:38:06 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:19 i suggested making the hell beast friendly, but with a breath timer 13:38:37 (geryon has a gigantic bladder so he's not subject to it) 13:38:48 replace demonic rune with a vestibule rune 13:38:48 -!- jmbto has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:13 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:40:26 I suppose I should have asked here before making the patch haha 13:41:30 -!- galehar_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:53 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:18 Regardless, would anyone mind taking a look at the patch to see if I did everything right? 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not the complex control system. 14:29:19 TZer0: Pokemon uses menus to, although it would be nice if there was some way to detect a "complete" command. (That would be good for things like lua and client/server division too.) 14:31:11 -!- sstrickl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:34:23 -!- Napcat has quit [Client Quit] 14:35:58 -!- Xiberia has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:07 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:41:02 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:42:18 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:42 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:44:30 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:28 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:47:17 !lg . 14:47:19 2796. wheals the Cloud Mage (L8 HEAE of Ashenzari), blasted by (static electricity) on D:6 on 2014-02-26 20:45:15, with 1427 points after 7382 turns and 0:16:06. 14:47:29 that death blaming is not quite ideal 14:48:22 !lg . x=typ 14:48:23 Unknown field: typ 14:48:25 !lg . x=ktyp 14:48:26 2796. [ktyp=beam] wheals the Cloud Mage (L8 HEAE of Ashenzari), blasted by (static electricity) on D:6 on 2014-02-26 20:45:15, with 1427 points after 7382 turns and 0:16:06. 14:48:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:44 is it a design decision that malmutate is permanent for monsters? Rot can be cured via "divine balms", but malmutate's wretchedness state cannot 14:49:53 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:12 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52:40 johny0: I suspect it's arbitary, since all the effects removed by "divine balms" are hard coded and ENCH_ROT does not appear to be removed in any way except Beogh. 14:56:05 Hmm, I should probably throw a report up on mantis just for documentation purposes 14:56:16 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:55 even if the resolution is simply "will not fix: working as designed" 14:56:57 !tell Grunt wheals the Cloud Mage (L8 HEAE of Ashenzari), blasted by (static electricity) 14:56:58 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 14:57:22 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:38 I just killed off a DS of Dith. I like the god a lot, but I find piety gain to be slow, and I still think that passive xp gain for exploration starting at 0 piety would help. 14:57:45 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:03 I'm still sad that no one seems to care how bad shadow mimic is for melee atm . . . 15:02:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:03:11 well you can play that branch on cszo too 15:03:46 how about making player slaying apply to shadow attacks 15:07:33 -!- Sorbius_ is now known as Sorbius 15:08:50 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:14:35 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:16:22 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:16:53 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:19 Having player slaying apply would definitely improve it, but I think it's the wrong approach: none of the other shadow attacks are influenced by any player traits aside from XL 15:20:31 Assuming that it is desired that shadow mimic do about as much damage as the middle-ground result (ranged combat), I'd recommend that shadow mimic melee be adjusted from XL/2 to (3/4)*XL, and perhaps have some sort of normalization over the type of weapon the shadow mimic wields, since that weapon currently accounts for 100% of the damage (as I understand it. 15:20:34 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:20:35 -!- Lantell has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:20:35 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:20:36 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:36 -!- rast- is now known as rast 15:20:38 -!- _miek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:21:05 Similarly, shadow mimic conjuration is much stronger, even at XL/2, and should probably have the conjuration power reduced or have the shadow mimic XL drop to 1/3 XL or so 15:21:19 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:46 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:43 I recommend two separate adjustments to the shadow mimic melee because a) it rarely hits at all, and b) when it does, it does no damage unless you wield a large weapon 15:23:10 -!- 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15:37:00 -!- us17 has quit [Changing host] 15:37:55 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 15:41:06 ENCH_WRETCHED not removable via divine blessing by johnnyzero 15:41:27 -!- Sorbius_ is now known as Sorbius 15:44:30 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:14 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:48:12 -!- sgiratch has quit [Changing host] 15:50:13 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:51:36 -!- yuri-him1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:52:30 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:52:36 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:53:18 -!- Azzkikr_ is now known as Azzkikr 15:54:37 |amethyst: I have some smithgod patches for you 15:54:39 http://sprunge.us/WDJA 15:54:51 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 15:55:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:56:38 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:57:11 <|amethyst> buppy: we need to get you commit access too 15:57:49 I was wondering why buppy was excluded from the dev promotions last week.. 15:58:21 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 15:58:57 smithgod not ready in time! 15:59:52 <|amethyst> oh hm 15:59:57 <|amethyst> I broke the rebuild trigger 16:00:44 -!- edhmaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:01:15 -!- raskol` has quit [Quit: quit] 16:01:28 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[smithgod] * 0.14-a0-2775-g1276953: Fix Igni breakpoints and text. 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=12769532ae94 16:01:28 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[smithgod] * 0.14-a0-2776-g5c664fd: Igni final gift: artefactize one weapon. 10(3 days ago, 8 files, 317+ 52-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c664fda0a94 16:01:28 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[smithgod] * 0.14-a0-2777-g2cf6901: Replace Igni magma form with passive rF+ rC-. 10(29 hours ago, 3 files, 10+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2cf6901ee2a9 16:01:28 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[smithgod] * 0.14-a0-2778-g178786c: Combine reforge and firebrand into a single ability. 10(27 hours ago, 9 files, 105+ 121-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=178786ce864e 16:01:28 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[smithgod] * 0.14-a0-2779-g283fa74: Increase Igni piety rate. 10(26 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=283fa740fdb1 16:01:28 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[smithgod] * 0.14-a0-2780-g64afa56: Igni: armour fitting. 10(2 hours ago, 9 files, 78+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=64afa5619f9a 16:01:28 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[smithgod] * 0.14-a0-2781-g5fcb558: Make artefactizing a reusable ability and change formula. 10(62 minutes ago, 9 files, 169+ 130-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5fcb558de0ea 16:01:28 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[smithgod] * 0.14-a0-2782-g2d4c4b4: Adjust Igni ability costs and religion text. 10(32 minutes ago, 2 files, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2d4c4b48f6f3 16:01:28 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07[smithgod] * 0.14-a0-2783-g2bb9acc: Update Igni description. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2bb9acc5f0b4 16:01:28 03|amethyst02 07[smithgod] * 0.14-a0-2784-g80bc7a8: Remove some braces. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=80bc7a8860b9 16:02:01 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:02:49 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:55 thanks |amethyst 16:03:36 and yes, commit access would make things easier 16:04:49 -!- jmbto1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 16:05:10 (from Ubuntu, using ssh and crawlingtotheusa) 16:05:14 sorry 16:05:29 Lasty: would changing the XL make the shadow mimic melee change 16:05:40 usually monster damage is independent of HD 16:07:32 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:07:48 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:07:53 Experimental (smithgod) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2784-g80bc7a8 16:09:30 -!- ergwergwerg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:10:33 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:48 -!- aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:12:08 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:24 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:24 Would it matter if I excluded all known books from autopickup? 16:20:50 If I understand options guide correctly, you wouldn't be able to set them to autopickup except through \ menu 16:21:47 Basil: that's for all book types, or is it per-book now? 16:22:11 <|amethyst> Basil: excluded how? 16:22:24 Default autopickup changes 16:22:45 autopickup_exceptions += book.*of 16:22:59 and except the books that don't follow that template manually 16:23:19 gammafunk: I set manuals to autopickup and spellbooks to not 16:23:19 <|amethyst> Basil: you can do it with prefixes almost 16:23:45 <|amethyst> Basil: except 1. identified.*book also matches "unidentified book" 16:23:55 ^identified.*book 16:23:58 <|amethyst> so ([^n]|^)identified book 16:24:03 <|amethyst> it might not be the first prefix 16:24:15 <|amethyst> I guess ( |^)identified.*book would do it 16:24:24 <|amethyst> except 2. that also matches manuals 16:24:38 does this match e.g. young poisoner's handbook? 16:24:40 <|amethyst> I think the fix here is to have "spellbook" as a prefix 16:24:43 ah 16:24:45 That's one of the manual exceptions 16:24:47 yeah that'd be nice 16:24:59 hmm, I'll look into that 16:25:00 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: what I suggested should, since the object type is included 16:25:05 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: which is why it matches manuals 16:25:08 mhm 16:25:35 <|amethyst> Basil: see item_prefix in itemname.cc 16:25:45 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 16:25:46 But if I understand that correctly, you still wouldn't be able to set spellbooks to autopickup in your rcfile since excludes trump includes 16:25:59 unless I understood that incorrectly 16:26:50 I'm wondering if I should care about that 16:26:58 <|amethyst> Basil: you can remove the exception though if you use the exact regexp 16:27:19 <|amethyst> autopickup_exceptions -= ( |^)identified.*spellbook 16:27:53 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:55 does that actually work? i tried removing something from ae (the rune line) and stuff didn't happen still 16:28:09 Right 16:28:11 had to ^= the exclusion 16:28:21 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: hm 16:28:29 ae -= book.* of Air 16:28:36 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: it works for other regexp matches, but I haven't checked with ae 16:28:40 <|amethyst> hm 16:28:56 <|amethyst> IMO autopickup_exceptions should be changed to use order instead 16:29:04 <|amethyst> first match wins 16:29:12 of course with runes there's also the problem that it is broken on \ still? unless that's been fixed 16:29:42 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:30:47 Well, this is what I have so far 16:30:48 http://sprunge.us/HgbO 16:31:05 <|amethyst> IMO we should rename either the "identified" or the "unidentified" prefix 16:31:23 It does what I want it to (make \ actually do things to book autopickup, and default all books to not autopickup) 16:31:39 except I can't change autopickup for book of Air through init.txt 16:32:31 <|amethyst> Basil: doesn't that make the same autopickup option control unknown books and manuals? 16:33:05 I'll check that 16:33:07 <|amethyst> Basil: in \ I mean 16:33:11 right 16:33:23 <|amethyst> Basil: I was wondering about the removed line in items.cc 16:34:50 Oh, I missed part of it 16:34:52 http://sprunge.us/dbIL 16:35:11 That said, I'll check what the unidentified books toggle does to manuals 16:35:43 <|amethyst> Basil: yeah, that looks good except you can simplify 16:35:56 <|amethyst> Basil: if (item.sub_type == BOOK_MANUAL || item_type_known(item)) 16:36:19 mm, I'll fix that in a bit 16:40:22 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:39 And toggling unknown books doesn't affect manual pickup. 16:43:52 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:43 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:00 <|amethyst> yeah, that was just in the first version 16:47:16 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:29 -!- dpeg_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:53:50 -!- iodh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:53:59 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:56:18 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56:33 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 17:03:36 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:06:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:12:01 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:22 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:36 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:04 Make autopickup_exception use order, not exclusion-takes-precedence by neil 17:18:26 Neat 17:18:45 <|amethyst> no patch, just an implementable :) 17:18:57 Damn 17:19:26 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:21:57 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2848-g1d0399b (34) 17:31:09 run implementable2patch.sh 17:36:08 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 17:37:28 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:37:58 -!- reaverb1 is now known as reaverb 17:40:23 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:44 autopickup_exceptions is harder than I expected 17:41:57 ( |^)identified.*spellbook doesn't seem to work properly 17:42:24 <|amethyst> hm 17:42:33 <|amethyst> I guess use ^identified like the other things do 17:42:42 <|amethyst> looking at the code, that prefix *should* be first 17:42:57 <|amethyst> you did add a "spellbook" prefix, right? 17:43:20 yes 17:43:27 ae += spellbook disables all spellbooks 17:43:31 including unidentified 17:44:30 http://sprunge.us/ZbMS 17:44:36 (to clarify) 17:46:41 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:48:23 is there any good way to fsim with rod of striking? you cant get nearly enough max charges and changing the plus will screw up the damage 17:48:59 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:49:53 |amethyst: That said, 'ae += book of' and such still work 17:50:18 Should I push that, or you care to test my spellbook prefix on your local build to see if I flubbed something, or 17:58:04 <|amethyst> Basil: push it to a branch maybe? 17:58:17 <|amethyst> I don't have time to look at it now but maybe someone else does 17:59:48 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:01:04 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:04:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:05:12 -!- Napcat has quit [Client Quit] 18:06:57 -!- kats has quit [Quit: You can't go home just because you finish early. They want your time, enough of it to make you theirs, even if they have no use for most of it.] 18:09:25 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:09:27 -!- soundlust|2 is now known as soundlust 18:11:11 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 18:14:38 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:14:44 are there any objections to 8127? 18:15:28 i know with another of ChrisOelmueller's patches, there was apparently only 1 person on cszo who didn't use the default 18:16:32 dunno if this one is more used, though 18:17:55 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:10 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:21:33 -!- rizzen` has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:08 -!- wat2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:09 -!- Watball_ is now known as Watball 18:22:09 hmm 18:22:29 ae += unidentified&potion works, but ae += unidentified&dangerous_item doesn't 18:23:04 I might have to check how autoexplore_exceptions works if it doesn't allow multiple prefixes 18:24:32 -!- yuri-hime has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:25:26 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:29:03 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2849-ga797b2f: Make sparkling/blood fountains purely decorative 10(8 hours ago, 4 files, 7+ 129-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a797b2f5bcfa 18:29:03 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2850-g7827a02: Don't let eyeballs use their abilities through transparent walls 10(5 hours ago, 4 files, 14+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7827a0295ba9 18:30:18 how can i get a string into a mprf? 18:30:39 if i use c_str() it complains about using a char[] instead of a char* 18:31:10 oh, hm, the problem seems to be with concatenation... 18:33:15 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:24 i want to do mprf(MSGCH_GOD, "Your " + wpn.name(DESC_QUALNAME) + " shines brightly!"); 18:33:49 mprf(MSGCH_GOD, "Your %s shines brightly!", wpn.name(DESC_QUALNAME).c_str()); 18:33:56 ah, of course 18:34:26 MarvinPA: Also, now that I am more awake, I think I have some articulate counterpoint to the concerns about servitor you raised earlier 18:35:31 I think one of the biggest problems with some spells not having monsters versions, as applies to shadow mimic and such, are not really applicable here. At least as I see it, with direct mimicry, you will get an effect when you cast a spell on the list and nothing at all if you don't. So you don't know (without spoilers maybe) whether casting something can even produce any relevant effect, and I ag 18:35:31 ree that's not great. 18:36:03 But that's not true for servitor, since it will just assemble a list of what it CAN do, and you have no further control over it. Casting servitor will (basically) always have an effect, and you don't need to worry about some of your actions working with it and some of them not 18:37:09 Plus there's one big direct impact of making it not care about your spells at all, which is that you then don't even need to have any. You could just train conj on a summoner and pick up some kind of blaster summon without the need for you to even possess useful conjurer tools of your own 18:37:21 And it was intended to work moreso as conjurer support rather than another summon for normal summoners 18:39:16 well, it still seems potentially pretty spoilery in terms of things like encouraging you to pick up spells that happen to be particularly strong on monsters (stone arrow, fireball, etc) if you are a summoner picking it up 18:39:27 -!- BanquosGhost1 is now known as BanquosGhost 18:40:25 a summoner picking up a level 7 conjurations/summoning spell and not going for already strong spells? 18:40:36 Well, stone arrow is relatively stronger than the player version but still weaker than the higher level conjurations it will favor over it 18:41:28 So it doesn't seem like it would even be good to pick up stone arrow over something stronger, spoily or no 18:42:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:44:09 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:27 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:53 I am trying to think of some legitimate way to 'game' the servitor instead of just knowing good spells and then it knowing good spells 18:45:06 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:17 I suppose knowing throw flame (and no stronger primary conjurations) and fireball would produce one that is weaker than if you just knew fireball alone, since fireball is a secondary slot conjuration. Though it still would be less strong than one knowing fireball and bolt of fire due to how many more empty slots it would have, and thus lower overall casting frequency. 18:47:40 That could probably be addressed by not using the fallback list unless BOTH primary and secondary slots were unfilled, which probably should happen anyway, I guess 18:48:59 In general, I tried to avoid any situation where learning strong player spells could ever make the servitor weaker, or learning unusual spells could be more optimal 18:49:50 -!- Giavanni has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:51:09 dunno, it just seems very unlikely to me that the way spells are selected will actually be clear to the player 18:51:13 maybe it doesn't need to be 18:51:42 Does god branding giving a prompt for which weapon seem reasonable? 18:52:24 MarvinPA: Yeah, I didn't think that players should need to understand how it works, it should 'just work'. You know useful spells and it tries to make itself as useful as possible from them 18:53:19 wheals: I don't think I see an obvious problem with that? 18:53:41 -!- NarcissusIII has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:54:09 MarvinPA: I'd be curious if people do find some parts of actually using it counterintuitive. Sadly, I don't think it will see much use in the branch, since people will probably be playing more characters that won't be as liable to get good use out of it 18:54:31 would there be any downside to allowing weapon-blessing (in the general sense, not just TSO) to act like a scroll of branding in the sense that you can choose a weapon from inventory instead of it needing to be in your hand? 18:54:33 bolt of draining seems like it ought to be on the list, also 18:54:54 oh, or is wheals already doing this 18:55:03 G-Flex: yeah, just finished writing it 18:55:11 oh neat 18:55:21 I think my case might have actually been the only edge case possible 18:55:32 back when dj existed there was that 18:55:37 I can't think of a case where you cannot wield a weapon due to its brand aside from demonspawn/undead with holy wrath 18:55:46 what couldn't they wield? 18:55:53 antimagic! 18:55:57 oh right 18:56:06 I didn't even know dj was gone 18:56:21 MarvinPA: Oh, I suppose that's a point 18:56:29 MarvinPA: I sometimes forget that players can even cast that >.> 18:56:36 it's good now 18:56:40 Yeah, it might be 18:56:48 I've just never actually used it since then :P 18:56:57 oh also speaking of good spells: force lance sort of isn't one 18:57:03 Yes, it isn't 18:57:06 It's pretty sad 18:57:16 bolt of draining changed? 18:57:18 ??bolt of draining 18:57:19 i tried it on ddcj of chei which seemed like a character that might feasibly be able to get some use out of it 18:57:19 bolt of draining[1/1]: L6 conj/necro spell in the {book of Death}. Level 5 in 0.14 (but otherwise unchanged). 18:57:22 oh, lowe level now 18:57:22 but sadly it did not 18:57:24 lower* 18:57:31 I think the knockback formula is really awkward 18:57:40 it involves monster mass 18:57:42 so yeah :P 18:57:42 Yes -.- 18:57:57 imo make force lance do stabbing damange 18:58:01 Hey, that's only partially my fault as I just used the one that already existed! 18:58:10 Fan of gales does NOT use that 18:58:14 After seeing how it worked 18:58:17 involving monster mass doesn't seem too bad since that should correlate with size 18:58:18 hopefully 18:58:20 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:58:22 maybe it should just use size instead 18:58:29 Well, it also doesn't scale linearly 18:58:33 So big things are REALLY hard to push 18:58:43 Which might make sense, but seems bad from a gameplay perspective 18:58:50 Especially given just how many later things are big 18:58:51 big things are the things you usually want to push away 18:59:31 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2851-g321e9e9: Make god branding allow choosing a weapon, like the scroll (G-Flex). 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 27+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=321e9e9a5b29 18:59:45 gharglhgrgrg 18:59:51 must finish this already 18:59:53 I haven't given force lance much thought recently, but a while back I thought that maybe it might be more useful to make the knockback have a very high chance, but be unable to push the same monster without some time between? I don't know how intuitive that would be 19:00:18 huh, why is this in the diff 19:00:18 - calc_mp(); // in case the old brand was antimagic 19:00:18 + calc_mp(); // in case the old brand was antimagic, 19:00:23 , 19:00:24 removed a line, then added the same line? 19:00:38 space, comma 19:00:40 There's a , at the end 19:00:40 oh, the comma, never mind 19:00:45 I can't read 19:02:10 oh no, auto_list conflicts 19:02:18 yeah, that's why i asked about it 19:05:19 i'm still rather convinced this doesn't need to be an option the slightest 19:05:27 and a reasonable default exists already 19:05:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:05:43 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 19:05:44 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:07:45 -!- julian____ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:42 Another force lance thing I considered a while back was to scale knockback chance inversely with distance, so it was consistant at knocking things away at max range, but bad in melee, which might make it harder to juggle out of close scrapes but useful to keep control if applied preemptively. Except I thought that this power relationship might be counterintuitive to how you'd EXPECT it to work. 19:10:21 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 19:10:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 19:11:45 -!- parabolic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:11:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:02 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:15:25 -!- parabolic is now known as elliptic 19:17:46 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:47 The strange machine casts a spell at you. _You blink. 19:19:51 * tenofswords mumbles about this being good enough 19:19:52 On a different topic, I'm having some conceptual issues with how determinisitic poison should tick 19:20:04 The 'obvious' thing is to scale damage taken by aut taken 19:20:11 But deep dwarf damage shaving messes this up 19:20:24 So that they will shave more when moving faster than slower 19:20:45 Potentially making a considerable difference in some situations 19:21:11 Alternately, I could tick it every 10 aut at a fixed rate, but then when you're slowed that would mean taking alternatingly 1 and 2 ticks in the same turn 19:22:48 (Though apparently the CURRENT situation is that you take poison damage much more rapidly when you're attacking things with a quick blade than standing around >.>) 19:22:59 Hooray, I got book autopickup working correctly 19:23:07 huh, i thought i was just imagining that 19:23:13 it really is based on actions taken? 19:23:17 Yes 19:23:22 Not total damage, mind. Just rate of damage. 19:23:28 It will also wear off more quickly while attacking with a quick blade 19:23:39 apparently the string ae was checking was '{book}identified spellbook book' and some others I forget 19:24:13 DracoOmega: did you see the poison code I had on mantis? it ticked using the regeneration formula 19:24:17 so ^identified.*spellbook didn't work, but [^n]identified.*spellbook did 19:24:29 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:52 (also I have slightly less awful version of that code but it's not on mantis) 19:25:18 buppy: Isn't that theoretically similar to what I said about ticking at 10 aut intervals? 19:25:29 Which would cause you to alternatingly take 1 and 2 ticks while slowed and so on 19:25:53 yes 19:27:00 the problem I had was that I changed the formula and then didn't know how to balance it 19:27:31 Yes, you can't really translate a lot of current values into the new system 19:27:43 I have been running somewhat complicate math and staring at it :P 19:29:03 oh you already have your own system? I haven't really been keeping track of things 19:29:28 I am working on one 19:29:36 I'm not very far along yet, but I am looking into it 19:30:37 DracoOmega: use whatever cloud damage does to handle actions of different length 19:30:47 DracoOmega: or tornado etc 19:31:05 elliptic: Hmmm... now that I think on it, those probably have the same scaling problems with damage shaving 19:31:10 elliptic: I checked and sticky flame does 19:31:19 Which probably no one has noticed since they were too busy dropping scrolls :P 19:31:37 But I guess damage shaving's effect on poison tends to be more noticable simply by making low levels of poison do literally NOTHING 19:31:38 DracoOmega: well, they handle AC properly at least 19:31:44 DracoOmega: which is the same situation 19:31:46 AC, sure, but poison ignores AC in the first place 19:32:02 right, but you can use the same thing here that the other stuff uses to deal with AC 19:32:13 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:39 Well, I don't think it works for damage shaving even there. It could theoretically be changed to work, I guess, but right now there is no way to deal any amount of damage to a deep dwarf by any means without applying the same damage shaving value to it 19:32:49 right, I mean the same idea 19:33:23 It occurs to me that damage shaving would make the 'how poisoned are you' estimation for deep dwarves kind of wrong, too 19:33:34 Since they would take far less damage than they were 'supposed' to, as a result 19:33:45 -!- Keanan has left ##crawl-dev 19:34:06 (I had been experimenting with coloring the health bar to show how much hp worth of poison was currently in your system) 19:34:20 you should remake poison to not deal damage at all 19:35:12 -!- julian____ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:35:21 DD get iPois 19:35:22 done 19:36:12 Well, one thing might honestly be to just make poison in their system have no effect at ALL until you pass the threshold where it starts to do something 19:36:21 Since that is consistant with the present behavior 19:36:31 They literally cannot be harmed by it at all until they have over 5 levels of it, at the moment 19:36:59 DracoOmega: go ahead and take a look at https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=5338&type=bug if you haven't already 19:37:15 even if you don't use the formula it at least has some changes to make the health bar thing work 19:37:24 Oh, really? 19:37:48 I didn't even realize that you'd tried anything like that :P 19:38:35 I got the formula down to a system where you input an amount of damage in HP and it deals that in less than 50 turns 19:39:50 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:40:23 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-2852-gffe6da3: Wizlab balance/etc edits 10(5 minutes ago, 13 files, 157+ 157-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ffe6da329eb9 19:40:25 !tell MarvinPA item_use.cc:70:13: warning: ‘bool _drink_fountain()’ declared ‘static’ but never defined [-Wunused-function] 19:40:25 wheals: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 19:40:34 13 files ;_; 19:40:46 move the vine coverings from stone golems to earth elementals. 19:40:49 a good sign 19:41:09 remind me why again is this ancient lich rename 19:41:21 look I made an exception for a vault flavour rename 19:41:33 would you preferred me to still call it a stone golem??? 19:41:50 (...with a iron golem base or something I guess, good for lrd) 19:41:56 -!- yuri-hime has quit [Quit: FUCK] 19:42:33 -!- Basil has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:42:34 now, which of a million things was I supposed to be doing involving vaults? 19:42:38 iron golem flesh golems seem weird because yes that 19:42:38 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:42:59 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:31 I am aware there are some myths about people being made about clay but I doubt it made much sense to lrd flesh golems and get clay :P 19:43:34 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:47 oh well no that's not any better either, sure 19:43:48 so you lrd the flesh golems and get metal? 19:43:56 You used to get clay! 19:44:15 both are equally bad! you just happened to draw attention to it now i guess 19:44:17 (should just remove the flesh golem, the vault already has four flavour renames) 19:44:40 (can I move the tmons over to the mutagenic fog area the golem previously was please please please) 19:44:47 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:44:58 DracoOmega: heres a patch with more stuff http://sprunge.us/ITbQ 19:45:01 just fill every wizlab with nothing but renames 19:45:09 violet draconians 19:45:22 It would be nice if Cigotuvi's Monster actually looked like a tmons 19:45:24 Somewhat 19:45:28 Instead of an abomination 19:45:31 i could do that 19:45:47 Like, just a recolored one would be a fine improvement, I think :P 19:46:05 buppy: What's the difference between this and the patch on mantis? 19:46:18 ...are tmons actually demons? 19:46:25 @??tentacled monstrosity 19:46:26 tentacled monstrosity (03X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 23 | HP: 102-151 | AC/EV: 5/5 | Dam: 22, 17, 13, 903(constrict) | 05demonic, 10doors, amphibious, see invisible | Res: 06magic(153), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2969 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 19:46:29 mm 19:46:32 forest centaur, dancing ankus, lightning golem, draconian monk spectre, troll partial-skeleton, 19:47:05 what color is cig's monster 19:47:15 Cigotuvi's Monster (13X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 23 | HP: 250 | AC/EV: 5/5 | Dam: 22, 17, 13, 903(constrict) | 05demonic, 10doors, amphibious, see invisible, 07vault | Res: 06magic(153), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5081 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 19:47:15 %??cigotuvi's monster 19:47:17 in console 19:47:20 hotpink 19:47:26 mmm 19:47:35 DracoOmega: changed poison_player to work with HP rather than arbitrary poison values, and I think it changed monster poison to be deterministic 19:47:37 cigotuvi's landkraken 19:48:00 DracoOmega: also there's probably some failed attempts at balance and other TODOs scattered about 19:48:20 The 'breaks mana link mutation' is not the most confidence-instilling part of this patch, no offense ^^; 19:48:46 you can't use 'nothing' in a KFEAT? 19:48:48 hehe 19:49:09 "floor" 19:49:36 also almost _any_ use of kfeat: x = nothing will earn my ire :P 19:50:54 it's KFEAT: ^ = arrow trap / nothing w:5 19:51:08 -!- Zerkarn has quit [Client Quit] 19:51:25 "floor" 19:51:48 yeah, i did that 19:52:06 ...feh, I'll just wait until I get home before I try to interject :b 19:52:25 that's part 1 down, then 19:52:31 -!- Ququman_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:54 I wonder if it'd better sate a certain somebody's appetite to put all these vault submission handlings in one commit :P 19:53:31 Different commits for different submissions is probably bettrr <_< 19:53:40 s/rr/er/ 19:53:55 if only these were thematically all the same thing so I could use that instead 19:54:10 "make swamp and temple the same branch, add some vaults to swample" 19:54:27 spriggan druids preaching fedhas's doctrine 19:54:28 swample 19:54:32 what a good word 19:54:38 Yes, that sounds like a fun word 19:54:38 except they lost haste plants i gues 19:54:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:55:16 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:02 it feels like it would be sort of a synonym of smother (in the "covering something" sense rather than the suffocating sense) 19:57:58 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:00:39 And Fedhas said, "Let there be mold!" 20:01:49 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/cigotuvi.png 20:01:55 behold 20:02:05 er 20:02:19 looks good 20:02:57 Looks like a new kind of eye :P 20:03:01 I expect eye beams as well 20:03:26 (Oddly, that almost looks like a better great orb of eyes than we currently have :P) 20:03:45 the current great orb of eyes tile is _classic_, how can you impugn it 20:04:00 Hehe 20:04:00 ??great orb of eyes[$] 20:04:01 great orb of eyes[3/3]: some day I will be a greater orb of eyes. 20:04:57 give cig's monster malmutate 20:05:14 Cigotuvi's Monster (13X) | Spd: 10 | HD: 23 | HP: 250 | AC/EV: 5/5 | Dam: 22, 17, 13, 903(constrict) | 05demonic, 10doors, amphibious, see invisible, 07vault | Res: 06magic(153), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5081 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 20:05:14 %??cigotuvi's monster 20:05:23 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: bbl] 20:05:50 Please no more ways to get mutated in that vault T.T 20:06:03 the description says it's made out of lots of horrible things, it clearly needs trample and reaching and 20:06:11 hah 20:06:23 give it one attack for each AF 20:06:55 (todo make it a unique like Cloud Mage and Hellbinder and) 20:07:35 do we really need another klown? 20:08:06 fiiiine 20:08:34 22(constrict), 17(constrict), 13(constrict), 9(constrict) 20:09:42 (speaking of Cloud Mage, clearly that wizlab gets a chance at a rod of clouds when I land it) 20:10:45 I started reading that and thought you were about to put the storm clouds in it >_> 20:10:53 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:17 does it have a chance of storm bow or robe of clouds 20:12:11 i think the cloud mage frequently spawn with the robe of clouds 20:12:16 spawns* 20:12:27 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:12:28 either that or it's in the loot pile and he snatches it 20:12:39 -!- rast- is now known as rast 20:12:52 kmons (" 5 = patrolling Cloud Mage dbname:Cloud_Mage name:" .. string.gsub(wizname, " ", "_").. " ; robe unrand:robe_of_clouds . quick blade ego:electrocution |".. " quick blade ego:freezing | dagger ego:speed | dagger ego:electrocution".. " | dagger ego:freezing") 20:13:03 dagger ego:speed 20:13:22 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:40 it got buffed! (maybe) 20:19:01 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:04 -!- Cheibrodos has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:06 hello cheibrodos 20:20:12 From your comments on the swamp vaults, I can't tell if you intend to make the necessary edits or expect me to do them. I'd like to know how I should proceed. 20:20:29 also, hi 20:21:02 oh, I'm editing them right now 20:21:19 just want to make sure you know why :P 20:21:38 Okay. I agree with you on how awkward that vault is as an ending. It started as a regular vault, but it became so large and elaborate I felt it had to be one. 20:21:48 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:21:53 I appreciate the comments as always. 20:21:57 -!- rast- is now known as rast 20:22:28 -!- N78291 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:41 do we still have the miasma swamp ending? 20:22:46 would it be possible to give demonic guardians the autofoe thing? 20:23:00 N78291: Oh, most likely 20:23:08 I figured I missed a few things that should have it 20:23:10 the swamp end with miasma still has miasma but I made it not as horrible to deal with 20:25:08 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:25:25 tenofswords: thanks. It was a pretty meh ending with the difficult-to-avoid clouds of awful 20:25:50 'welcome 20:26:57 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:30:38 -!- SeianVerian_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:31:13 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-2853-gca633f6: Cigotuvi's Monster tile 10(7 minutes ago, 3 files, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca633f67a6c6 20:31:41 how does it move around 20:32:03 with some difficulty 20:32:16 wheals: unpleasantly 20:32:26 http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters3/shuma-walk.gif 20:32:47 ah hell i drew shuma-gorath 20:32:52 tenofswords: perferct gif 20:32:59 unlike my comment 20:33:09 CHAOS DIMENSION 20:39:16 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:42 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good night to all!] 20:46:55 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:49:48 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:53:21 ontoclasm: still an improvement 20:55:10 ChAoS 20:56:37 nice change with the eye effects not active through transparent rock 20:56:40 that was always so annoying 20:57:45 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob_plain;f=crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/ironheart_preserver.png http://www.fightersgeneration.com/characters/m-doom.gif 20:59:23 yeah yeah i know 20:59:33 that one was sort of intentional 21:01:23 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob_plain;f=crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/undead/jiangshi.png http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh582/warplette/tumblr_mdngk7tzoR1r2uv4eo1_500_zps24af4edf.jpg 21:01:36 Make Sharks not swim in fountains by utrick 21:01:36 i'm a plagiarist hack 21:01:56 imo that is a feature :P 21:02:40 imo rewrite summon spire to summon eel in fountain 21:02:45 and yes 21:03:15 That is fantastic 21:03:40 in 4.1 when monsters are fleeing (and all of them are), they can swap position with other monsters 21:03:58 that way you can lead anything into deep water because they will swap with fish and stuff 21:04:47 awesome 21:04:55 What? 21:05:03 that gives me horrible flashbacks of the Yak Cycle 21:05:07 Do they actually drown? 21:05:12 If they swap into deep water 21:05:14 no they just stand around in deep water 21:05:26 Haha. Somewhat less amusing then them all leaping into deep water as they flee for their lives 21:05:34 "Ahhgghhhh!!" 21:06:06 i haven't yet tried this with lava creatures but it probably works too 21:09:21 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:48 fr: mutations which disable or restrict body slots no longer count as beneficial 21:09:48 tenofswords: wheals notes there's a lamp of fire and a strikingrod in your dumpster abyss vault 21:10:03 don't ruin the secret techs! 21:11:01 simmarine: Slight note in case you were unaware, but Forceful Dismissal damage is based on the summon's HD as well (I saw you testing it on some imps and such) 21:11:06 ahh 21:11:24 also i thought the message was ambiguous about whether or not i could blow up enemy summons but reading it again it isnt 21:12:03 Probably the description could make the HD thing clearer, if it doesn't 21:12:14 it doesnt, no 21:12:23 An easy fix 21:12:23 Question: is there a function to check if the player is wearing a certain item? 21:14:21 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:02 ??Yak Cycle 21:17:03 I don't have a page labeled Yak_Cycle in my learndb. 21:17:05 !source player::wearing 21:17:06 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.cc;hb=HEAD#l993 21:17:14 ontoclasm: care to explain The Yak Cycle? 21:17:18 that might be it 21:17:21 reaverb: yaks used to flee 21:17:22 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:17:32 and they would switch to let each other past 21:17:43 so if you were backed into a corridor, fighting like 8 yaks 21:17:51 they would cycle around 21:17:53 you'd get the front one low, it'd run back through them 21:17:56 and sit in the back healing 21:18:30 yeah, that was annoying 21:18:58 fr: cycling as an intentional tactic of a new pack monster, to dissuade fighting in corriders. 21:20:07 centicore 21:20:38 well, it was intentional centicarpy 21:20:41 oops 21:20:50 meant to say simply "centicarpy" 21:22:35 -!- cybie04 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:25:11 fr more harpy types 21:25:17 dire harpies 21:25:36 shadow harpies 21:25:56 rename tengu to harpies 21:25:59 sphinx harpies 21:26:20 ie batty sphinxes 21:27:00 harpies of fire 21:27:10 harpy phoenix 21:27:24 deep harpy 21:30:01 at what point does it become a tengu? 21:30:10 harpy yatagarasu 21:30:25 tenofswords: what wizlab dudes most need tiles 21:30:34 i know like half of them are uh 21:30:46 yes 21:30:57 there's a bloody list in the .des! :P 21:31:12 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:31:27 * Grunt arrives back home. 21:31:37 ...time to try to rebase the rods branch and then look at some bugs <_< 21:32:04 tenofswords: oh 21:32:22 !send Grunt emperor scorpions 21:32:23 Sending emperor scorpions to Grunt. 21:33:16 * Grunt squashes the emperor scorpion like a proverbial bug!!!!!! 21:33:38 white fluffiness 21:33:44 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:33:45 white fluffiness! 21:34:17 have you looked at floor_mosaic 21:34:24 i dunno what you'd use it for but it's there 21:34:28 and currently unused 21:34:53 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:35:19 doroklohe? 21:35:27 also floor_etched but that's less awesome 21:35:35 could work for doroklohe 21:36:02 ...dear god, git's rebase merging is dense. 21:36:38 perhaps it's a lack of rerere 21:37:09 etched combine with the yellow on the walls makes me think I'm playing something like yume nikki 21:38:05 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:38:19 haha 21:38:28 Grunt: Trivial enum conflicts? 21:38:31 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 21:38:35 i originally made etched for gehenna 21:38:43 but ironically it looks bad next to lava 21:38:44 DracoOmega: It involves targeters, actually. 21:38:53 can next year be horrortiles instead of simpletiles 21:38:55 (Though I'm going to guess this will have trivial enum conflicts too. <_<) 21:38:59 Hehe 21:39:08 horrortiles? 21:39:31 meatsprintcrawl :P 21:39:33 bool player_equip_unrand(int unrand_index) 21:39:33 yus :D 21:39:56 huh, LFLOORTILE doesn't like floor_mosiac for some reason even though it's fine with floor_etched? 21:40:24 oh I just can't spell "mosaic" 21:40:24 mosaic 21:40:43 xD 21:40:54 i think i meant for mosaic to be in a temple or something 21:41:22 but it's a little strong for Temple the branch i think 21:42:07 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 21:42:33 Grunt: if you see any min or max calls, might want to check those....>_> 21:42:48 !discord gammafunk 21:42:49 gammafunk flies into a frenzy! 21:43:17 gammafunk's spectral weapon fades away. 21:43:46 * Grunt gestures. Grunt conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs gammafunk! gammafunk is frozen! 21:44:19 MarvinPA: item_use.cc:70:13: warning: ‘bool _drink_fountain()’ declared ‘static’ but never defined [-Wunused-function] 21:44:26 ontoclasm somehow this is the visual equivalent of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghSuER5Sgh0 21:44:32 I must be losing my mind 21:44:52 haha 21:45:38 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:45:55 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:46:00 squuekasqueakysqeaka 21:46:47 whirrrrr 21:49:28 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:16 ...hm, I'm going to borrow a summons_adjustment commit to make a small tweak to the rod of shadows. 21:53:34 (namely 2dda36a, to help me give the rod its own cap) 21:54:40 http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a52/Fallen_Dragoon/elvenecumenical.png?t=1393471528 21:54:44 seen that 21:55:18 o_o 21:56:28 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:56:44 -!- Cheibrodos has joined ##crawl-dev 21:56:54 also i had a dumb idea for firegod 21:57:10 when you die, you explode, and if the explosion kills something you come back to life 21:57:28 03Sage02 07* 0.14-a0-2854-ga08158d: Make autopickup toggling work for identified books. 10(15 hours ago, 3 files, 14+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a08158df8074 21:57:30 mmm, still need to do that for firestarter 21:58:22 so you're taking a goblin wherever you go? 21:59:02 -!- Ququman_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:59 clearly you should come back to life as the thing 22:00:13 -!- tenofswords has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:34 %git :/fountain 22:00:34 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-2849-ga797b2f: Make sparkling/blood fountains purely decorative 10(11 hours ago, 4 files, 7+ 129-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a797b2f5bcfa 22:00:36 http://sprunge.us/JQcA - here's rod patches ready to go 22:01:48 // Yes, we really hate players, damn their guts. 22:01:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:19 That line was there before my intervention! <_<; 22:02:37 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2855-g1deaade: Remove rotting devils. 10(16 minutes ago, 20 files, 29+ 63-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1deaadec35c1 22:03:07 was it 22:03:07 -!- jack is now known as Guest66449 22:03:07 mmm, rod of shadows 22:03:07 that sounds quite powerful 22:03:07 1learn add quite_powerful 22:03:17 Neat 22:03:32 %git 44694af9 22:03:32 07greensnark02 * 0.8.0-a0-3949-g44694af: [3010] Unify cloud damage routines for player and monsters. 10(3 years, 2 months ago, 11 files, 395+ 513-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=44694af91e4c 22:03:57 his fault! 22:04:35 wheals: er, you broke lemuel_nasty_pond 22:04:39 Don't not-unholy creatures take half damage from that? 22:04:46 including players 22:05:00 +The spell even creates appropriate equipment for the creature, which are given +a lasting substance by their firm contact with reality. 22:05:03 -!- Implojin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:05:06 what does this even mean again 22:05:07 !lg * kaux=~holy_flame x=dam 22:05:08 No games for * (kaux=~holy_flame). 22:05:11 wheals: you probably meant to s/rotting devil/necrophage/ there too rather than spawn a horde of blizzard demons and green deaths. 22:05:16 !lg * kaux=~blessed_flame x=dam 22:05:17 it's been in the shadow creatures description forever 22:05:17 No games for * (kaux=~blessed_flame). 22:05:33 !lg * kaux=~blessed_f x=dam 22:05:34 144. [dam=24] bisonbisonbison the Grappler (L6 GhMo), engulfed by a cloud of blessed fire on D:3 (grunt_temple_overflow_holy_war) on 2014-02-26 21:37:17, with 509 points after 2452 turns and 0:09:59. 22:05:42 !lg * kaux=~blessed_f s=dam 22:05:43 144 games for * (kaux=~blessed_f): 9x 17, 9x 22, 9x 19, 9x 15, 7x 8, 7x 16, 7x 28, 7x 10, 6x 6, 6x 20, 5x 9, 5x 18, 5x 11, 5x 7, 4x 13, 4x 12, 4x 24, 4x 23, 3x 27, 3x 21, 3x 5, 3x 14, 2x 2, 2x 29, 2x 30, 2x 35, 2x 26, 2x 33, 2x 4, 2x 25, 2x 31, 39, 32 22:05:46 !lg * kaux=~blessed_f s=dam o=dam 22:05:47 144 games for * (kaux=~blessed_f): 39, 2x 35, 2x 33, 32, 2x 31, 2x 30, 2x 29, 7x 28, 3x 27, 2x 26, 2x 25, 4x 24, 4x 23, 9x 22, 3x 21, 6x 20, 9x 19, 5x 18, 9x 17, 7x 16, 9x 15, 3x 14, 4x 13, 4x 12, 5x 11, 7x 10, 5x 9, 7x 8, 5x 7, 6x 6, 3x 5, 2x 4, 2x 2 22:05:51 !lg * kaux=~blessed_f dam=39 22:05:52 1. kingbuddyboy the Insei (L3 DsMo), engulfed by a cloud of blessed fire on D:2 (grunt_temple_overflow_holy_war) on 2013-10-26 15:36:14, with 128 points after 1571 turns and 0:02:04. 22:05:58 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06:01 !lg * kaux=~blessed_f s=map 22:06:02 144 games for * (kaux=~blessed_f): 109x, 16x grunt_temple_overflow_holy_war, 2x hallowed_hall, evilmike_haunted_forest, spider_rune_water, vaults_room_hallway, evilmike_dwarf_trog_shrine, grunt_spider_rune_parallel, shoalhut, layout_vaults, v_alt_pattern_6, hangedman_vaults_capsules, evilmike_holy_pan, minmay_containers, minmay_connected_triangles_in_corner, evilmike_abyss_rune_tso_outpost, vaults... 22:06:10 ...players are clearly idiots <_< 22:06:11 Grunt: why do you think it's called "nasty"??? 22:06:22 * Grunt gestures. wheals is devoured by a tear in reality. 22:06:24 !lg * kaux=~blessed_f race!=ds|gh|vp|mu x=dam max=dam 22:06:25 98. [dam=35] Makr the Destroyer (L21 NaWz of Vehumet), slain by Mennas (a +2,+3 blessed falchion of holy wrath) on Vaults:5 on 2011-12-15 07:24:40, with 253594 points after 73764 turns and 6:42:45. 22:06:30 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:33 !lg * kaux=~blessed_fire race!=ds|gh|vp|mu x=dam max=dam 22:06:34 16. [dam=31] 4tharraofdagon the Ruffian (L4 TrMo of Makhleb), engulfed by a cloud of blessed fire on D:5 (grunt_temple_overflow_holy_war) on 2013-06-24 10:08:26, with 165 points after 820 turns and 0:03:05. 22:06:40 Oh well 22:07:19 i remembered to start crawl after the vault edits, but forgot that i hadn't recompiled... 22:07:45 clearly going around the fire would have cost too many turns 22:07:48 wheals: I'll fix it; I'm about to push a few commits anyway <_< 22:08:26 does it make an automatic definition for the 4 or does it just not run? 22:08:32 er, 5 22:08:45 It runs; the 5 turns into a random monster, but that wasn't the intent <_< 22:08:50 mm, book \ should be fully functional now 22:08:56 ok, thanks for the fix 22:09:05 except that it takes up 40 slots when all books are known 22:09:14 but it takes a good long while to identify 40 books 22:10:04 * Grunt quickly double-checks that everything compiles... 22:10:06 well it doesn't work anyway, i did AXED_MON(ROTTING_DEVIL) instead of AXED_MON(MONS_ROTTING_DEVIL) 22:10:11 sorry 22:10:35 ?/frigid_dest 22:10:36 Matching terms (1): rod_of_frigid_destruction 22:10:39 ??rods 22:10:40 rods[1/1]: striking, lightning, destruction, fiery destruction, frigid destruction, inaccuracy, swarm, demonology, venom 22:10:44 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:10:44 (I'll fix that too <_<) 22:11:01 So, anything left? 22:11:03 |venom 22:11:08 ...which is being removed. 22:11:28 Olgreb's is secretly the real rod of venom 22:11:29 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:11:33 DracoOmega: exactly! 22:11:46 maybe venom can get replaced by iron shotgun 22:11:48 any ideas for that, or is it just on the To Do list 22:11:53 rod of shotgun 22:11:58 DracoOmega: I'm sneaking a minor commit of yours from summon_adjustments in here, btw, because it helps me code the rod of shadows a bit <_< 22:12:01 s??badcrd[bolt 22:12:02 badcrd[3/3]: Just have a rod that's named a 'crossbow', make it depend very slightly on Dex and not on Evo and consume one bolt for every activation, and you pretty much have how a crossbow behaves 22:12:17 Grunt: Well, I'm expect more of them to get snuck in at some point :P 22:12:20 Probably! >_> 22:12:39 -!- parabolic has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:55 Oh look, we have another bot. <_< 22:13:08 But yes, be my guest. I assume it's something about the changes to shadow creatures capping? 22:13:11 Yes. 22:13:13 -!- Cheibrodos__ has quit [Client Quit] 22:13:20 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:14:00 ??parabolic 22:14:00 parabolic[1/1]: Lua bot that autoplays HOBe, returning control to a human pilot when it is scared of something. Written by elliptic and elliott. Piloted to a 32-minute win by elliptic. URL: http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/parabolic.rc 22:14:00 I was going to introduce a spell_type parameter to help with capping, but then I realised that you'd already done something fairly close to that. 22:14:40 Oh, actually, I should sneak that other cap commit in. 22:14:48 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:15:03 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 22:15:29 -!- parabolic is now known as hyperbolic 22:15:38 -!- Cheibrodos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:15:40 Grunt: i pushed the mon-data.h and nasty_pond fixes 22:15:41 uh oh, it's upgrading 22:16:03 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:16:37 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:18:18 wheals: okay 22:18:20 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:18:42 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 22:18:47 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:19:06 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2856-g9c1b980: Unbreak some things. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c1b980416f3 22:20:06 rod of rods 22:20:12 great orb of rods 22:20:15 evoke for a random spell from among all rod spells 22:22:45 rod of lordly might 22:22:54 rod of many things? 22:23:05 mmm 22:23:19 Okay, this seems to be good to go. 22:23:33 PULL! 22:24:01 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2857-g6774208: Hush a compiler warning. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=677420826d3f 22:24:01 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2858-g75deb85: Rod of frigid destruction -> Rod of clouds. 10(2 days ago, 17 files, 368+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=75deb85f6e81 22:24:01 03DracoOmega02 {Grunt} 07* 0.14-a0-2859-g070f7a9: Fix scroll of summoning being capped 10(4 days ago, 3 files, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=070f7a974ff5 22:24:01 03DracoOmega02 {Grunt} 07* 0.14-a0-2860-g2c0f318: Consider a band produced by shadow creatures to be one creature for capping purposes 10(4 days ago, 2 files, 65+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c0f31843e2b 22:24:01 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2861-g359569f: Rod of demonology -> Rod of shadows. 10(31 hours ago, 17 files, 68+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=359569f0a7cc 22:24:01 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2862-g5516d47: Remove the rod of venom. 10(31 hours ago, 8 files, 10+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5516d479cdc6 22:24:08 * ontoclasm launches a clay pigeon into the air. 22:24:08 * wheals pushes Grunt 22:24:08 * Grunt zaps a rod. The clay pigeon dissolves! 22:24:50 bye bye pcloud 22:24:58 You can get pclouds from the rod of clouds! >_> 22:25:09 Oh, the rod of shadows isn't based on where you are 22:25:14 That's actually sort of an interesting variant on it 22:25:27 It's workable enough to use as a replacement summoning rod. 22:25:34 where does it pick from then? 22:25:41 D:, roughly. 22:25:42 Well, from D, but with depth based on evocations 22:25:44 hmm, so is there any intention for rods to be evokable like wands? 22:25:46 mmm 22:26:00 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:26:18 Better than shadow creatures in Tomb! :P 22:26:29 All the more reason to go through and clean up the D OOD list, finally <_< 22:26:39 Well, late D monsters could use some work anyway 22:26:58 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:02 lajatang of order 22:27:06 Not just the ood stuff 22:27:11 %git :/order 22:27:11 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-2851-g97cdeb5: New spell: Spellforged Servitor 10(2 days ago, 11 files, 207+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=97cdeb59a6c3 22:27:15 ontoclasm: gonna make a tile? 22:27:18 %git HEAD^{/Order} 22:27:19 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-2846-gb5f8330: Lajatang of Order description fixes 10(15 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5f8330005bd 22:27:19 %git :/[Ll]aj 22:27:19 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-2846-gb5f8330: Lajatang of Order description fixes 10(15 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5f8330005bd 22:27:24 %git HEAD^{/Order}^^{/Order} 22:27:24 07wheals02 * 0.14-a0-2838-g2ad7808: The +7,+7 lajatang of Order {silver, rMut} 10(2 months ago, 6 files, 48+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2ad780872f83 22:27:45 ...what happened to those badtiles I made for them <_< 22:27:46 actually, i guess i should have used Grunt's crescent moon tile 22:28:26 DracoOmega: playing the new branch I'd say lightning spire is actually the one that scales into being useful long term, not ice beasts 22:28:38 mostly since replacement ranged summons are hard to find 22:28:48 Lightning spire does seem really strong there at present 22:29:08 Menagerie has a bunch of ranged summons in it, but I'm not sure you've found a copy? 22:32:12 summon orc priest 22:32:12 only new one I've found is the conj one 22:32:12 Well, keep in mind that ice beasts would be comparatively more useful for a more 'pure' summoner style, I'd guess 22:32:12 Since the spire can't tank that well 22:32:12 the new shadow creatures not vanishing half the band is nice 22:32:12 Yeah 22:32:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:32:12 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:33:03 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:03 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 22:33:04 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 22:33:08 welcome back 22:33:39 hehe 22:34:00 ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 612: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) 22:34:00 %??lost soul name:Cheibriados n_rpl 22:34:06 dang 22:34:13 bush (07P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 100 | HP: 494-607 | AC/EV: 15/0 | 03plant | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 0 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 22:34:13 %??bush hd:1000 22:34:29 Remeber when bushes had like 40 AC? :P 22:34:32 Ereshkigal (16&) | Spd: 14 | HD: 100 | HP: 350 | AC/EV: 10/30 | Dam: 4013(drain) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: b.cold (3d117), silence, sum.greater demon, s.torment, paralyse, 04esc:major healing | Sz: Large | Int: high. 22:34:32 %??ereshkigal hd:100 22:34:44 oh right, uniques are fixed 22:35:42 Patches, yo: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8181 22:35:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:36:17 -!- Ruble has quit [] 22:36:21 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 22:36:25 that should probably be UNRAND_AIR? 22:36:31 or whatever the enum is 22:36:44 Does it take that? I used the number and it worked 22:36:58 yeah, bot would work 22:37:01 *both 22:37:11 but UNRAND_AIR doesn't need a comment :) 22:37:17 Lol here I was trying to add up and figure out the enum number xD 22:38:09 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:36 Should I upload the fix you think? 22:38:42 i'll do it 22:38:58 Alright thanks :D 22:39:00 huh 22:39:08 Strip MR works on shadow form 22:39:21 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:08 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:46:08 for the parabolic bot, it activates when you auto-explore? 22:46:08 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:46:08 tab if it is like qw 22:46:47 -!- necKro has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:50:09 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2863-g2280caa: Blast "blasted by (static electricity)" with static electricity. 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 22+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2280caa48a5b 22:50:16 johnstein: It's tab 22:50:23 Grunt: Blast it! 22:50:24 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:28 wheals: those blasted bugs! 22:50:33 ty reaverb 22:50:47 !lg * ckaux=by_static_electricity killer!= 22:50:48 No games for * (ckaux=by_static_electricity killer!=). 22:50:51 !lg * ckaux=by_static_electricity 22:50:52 3. wheals the Cloud Mage (L8 HEAE of Ashenzari), blasted by (static electricity) on D:6 on 2014-02-26 20:45:15, with 1427 points after 7382 turns and 0:16:06. 22:50:59 ??blown up by[$ 22:51:00 blown up by[4/4]: wheals the Cloud Mage (L8 HEAE of Ashenzari), blasted by (static electricity) on D:6 on 2014-02-26 20:45:15, with 1427 points after 7382 turns and 0:16:06. 22:51:02 ??blown up by[3 22:51:02 blown up by[3/4]: Zeor the Executioner (L16 LOBe of Trog), slain by on Shoals:5 on 2014-02-03 04:23:50, with 140562 points after 40698 turns and 3:34:47. 22:51:25 (I love how that entry has been repurposed <_<) 22:51:26 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:52:28 hm, this game i'm watching is reminding me to figure out how to get antimagic to interrupt convoking 22:53:12 can you kill yourself with the arc blade 22:53:26 Probably. 22:54:19 I hope the death message is "killed by touching the arc blade" 22:54:52 No, it would be "killed by their own static electricity". 22:56:08 good enough, that sounds like a embarrassing death reason 22:56:08 !send N78291 killed by touching the edge of the universe 22:56:08 Sending killed by touching the edge of the universe to N78291. 22:56:08 huh 22:56:08 &O seems to destroy monsters 22:56:12 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:56:40 oh. looks like the parabolic rc is outdated: Lua error: [string "/dgldir/rcfiles/crawl-0.13/octotrogger.rc"]:209: attempt to call field 'nauseous' (a nil value) 22:56:52 rip 22:56:52 rip 22:57:17 yeah, parabolic hasn't been used in a long time 22:57:39 parabolic has never been used! 22:57:41 ... 22:57:44 !send hyperbolic hyperbole 22:57:45 Sending hyperbole to hyperbolic. 22:57:55 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: pew] 22:58:09 rip nausea 22:58:15 rip 22:58:45 johnstein: it should work in 0.12 22:58:56 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 22:59:08 ty 22:59:20 !tell AreBrandon thanks! 22:59:24 wheals: OK, I'll let arebrandon know. 22:59:29 I just removed the nausea. I'm sure that's all I need to d 22:59:31 do 22:59:38 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:01:15 03Brandon Kime02 {wheals} 07* 0.14-a0-2864-gf72b609: Disable casting of Repel Missiles while wearing the Amulet of the Air. 10(35 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f72b609125d3 23:01:24 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Client Quit] 23:01:51 bummer. after removing the references to 'nausea', pressing tab does nothing 23:02:16 whats the point of fighting when theres no nausea to be found 23:02:32 wheals: does it feel odd to be the commiter for someone else's patch 23:02:44 a bit, yes 23:03:16 !send wheals patches 23:03:16 Sending patches to wheals. 23:03:17 man, gone are the days when I'd bother grunt and he'd totally ignore me 23:03:23 gammafunk: 23:03:25 23:03:26 those were the days... 23:03:26 those days aren't gone for me! 23:03:28 >.> 23:03:43 * Grunt the Ignorant 23:03:43 !bother Grunt 23:03:46 23:04:41 does anyone know if 8207 is just a duplicate of the other save bugs? 23:05:06 %bug 8207 23:05:06 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8207 23:05:12 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: nnnnh] 23:05:38 looks like 23:05:44 it is, yes 23:05:58 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:06:10 !lg utrick s=src 23:06:11 123 games for utrick: 118x cszo, 3x cdo, cao, csn 23:06:21 probably one of the ones |amethyst deleted? 23:06:23 %git 4695f10 23:06:23 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2787-g4695f10: Nudge grand avatar monster description. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4695f106a828 23:07:43 Grunt: Are there any multi-spell rods left now? 23:07:43 NOPE 23:07:43 I should go through and simplify a lot of that code. 23:07:43 yeah 23:07:43 wheals: he may have, yes. I'd probably just !tell him to ask if you want to be sure 23:07:43 fr: rod of ice storm 23:07:43 assuming |amethyst isn't lurking this very moment... 23:07:43 dousing rod with primal wave 23:07:43 johnstein: If fixed the nasuea problem on pararobin, although there may be other issues. 23:07:50 !tell |amethyst re 8207: is utrick's one of the saves you deleted? 23:07:51 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 23:08:02 s/If/I/ 23:09:04 How do people feel about making the horn of geryon xp charge and make hell beast summons? 23:09:18 e.g. they don't go hostile, but xp-chargin prevents spam 23:09:22 wheals: Seems that that game was made between my pushing the bug and fixing it 23:09:28 s/chargin/charging/ 23:09:32 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:09:46 ok, i'll mark it as a duplicate and resolve 23:09:50 gammafunk: Guarentting any item you would actually use is very unlike Crawl. 23:10:13 !lg pararobin 23:10:14 16. pararobin the Severer (L10 HOBe of Trog), blasted by a white imp (puff of frost) on D:9 (serial_ice_f) on 2013-11-22 16:58:34, with 4764 points after 6912 turns and 0:09:55. 23:10:16 dispater's staff is actually quite good 23:10:22 ...I can't quite parse that sentence, reaverb 23:10:23 harder to get than the horn of course 23:10:45 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:11:06 We already guarantee these items since it's so late in the game 23:11:33 gammafunk: rephrased sentrance: Guarentting the an item that isn't a joke, such as the Horn of Greyon after your proposed change, would be against the randomness that defines Crawl. 23:11:59 not really, as N7 pointed out 23:12:20 yeah, and asmodeus's staff isn't terrible either (if you can accept the risks) 23:12:28 that late in the game I think we have a bit a leeway anyhow 23:12:55 another idea: blowing it causes an xp timeout (regardless of whether it works); it tries to charm demons in los 23:12:58 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 23:13:11 that's cute 23:13:21 one thing about it is the hell beast flavor is gone 23:13:31 gammafunk: I think the Vestiuble is not quite late enough. I have cleared it multiple times even though I have never won the game (or seen any other guarrentted item you mentioned). I see your point, though. 23:13:54 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:14:11 reaverb: thanks for the heads up 23:14:55 if it's a bit useuful now, it even gives players some incentive to go after it in a 3-rune 23:15:13 aside from a trove, of course 23:15:25 johnstein: BTW, I know for sure parabolic can't handle the dungon change the depths. 23:15:36 Brimstone Fiend (041) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 78-122 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 25, 15, 15 | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 3688 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), s.torment, melee | Sz: Large | Int: high. 23:15:36 %??brimstone_fiend 23:15:57 guess if it did try to charm demons, it would just be based on hd 23:16:02 unknown monster: "balrog" 23:16:02 %??balrog 23:16:03 Fiend (041) | Speed: 10 | HD: 18 | Health: 77-121 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Damage: 25, 15, 15 | Flags: 05demonic, evil, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(288), 05hellfire, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 4695 | Sp: hellfire (3d20), torment symbol, melee. 23:16:03 %0.9?Fiend 23:16:03 that's ok. 0.13 is fine 23:16:28 balrug (052) | Spd: 12 | HD: 14 | HP: 56-95 | AC/EV: 5/12 | Dam: 2504(fire:14-27) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 1661 | Sp: b.fire (3d23), fireball (3d23), sticky flame range (3d6), smiting (7-17) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 23:16:28 %??balrug 23:16:39 there's an old control demons ds mutation, I forgot how it worked 23:16:50 a bunch of us like playing octotrogs (OpBe). I switched it over to Op and man, he don't do so good 23:17:07 %git 5006d9b 23:17:07 07greensnark02 * 0.4-a0-357-g5006d9b: Weakened control demon demonspawn power (syllogism). 10(6 years ago, 1 file, 9+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5006d9b274c8 23:17:14 wow 23:17:26 %git 710d9c2 23:17:26 07greensnark02 * 0.2-a0-515-g710d9c2: Demonspawn control demon power was ridiculously overpowered, fixed (Juha). Orbs of fire are now hellfire resistant (Juha). 10(7 years ago, 2 files, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=710d9c281052 23:17:39 hehe, nice commit message 23:18:39 // wow, permanent enslaving 23:18:39 like old crusade card! 23:18:39 those must have been some fun games 23:19:09 interesting. so it (the bot) gets scared when it's hungry 23:19:31 (I'm hungry! Feed me!) 23:19:34 Reminds me of the nethack paet 23:19:36 *pet 23:19:44 they eventually become hostile 23:19:53 sort of 23:19:56 Huh, 710d9c2 was just 3 commits after Lugonu was renamed. 23:20:13 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:20:17 wow, i didn't realize lugonu was from 0.2 23:20:34 lugonu and beogh are old, yes 23:20:34 a lot of the gods were added between 0.6 and 0.8 i think 23:22:34 reading the changelog can be so hilarious 23:24:28 Grunt: I just realized that the rod of clouds is a nerf compared to the rod of frigid destruction 23:24:45 becuase 0-evoc freezing cloud was still good 23:24:50 !nerf Lightli 23:24:51 * Sequell nerfs Lightli! 23:26:13 wheals, I nominate you for the next changelog update <_< 23:26:42 ok 23:26:46 Does anybody know who Juha is? They keep getting mentioned in old commit messages, and is in CREDITS.txt. 23:26:49 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:27:07 ??devteam 23:27:08 devteam[1/12]: i don't have a cat anymore or it might have a better name right now 23:27:16 ??devteam 23:27:16 devteam[1/12]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam 23:27:24 ...I see Sequell is desynched again. 23:27:34 that was a very good Sequell though 23:27:34 No, that seems accurate 23:28:34 wheals: don't forget the crawl haiku... 23:32:58 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 23:32:58 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 23:32:59 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 23:34:27 k 23:34:51 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 23:35:16 %git :/wood golem 23:35:17 07Grunt02 * 0.12-a0-2222-gcc6916e: Chop down wood golems. 10(1 year ago, 14 files, 24+ 55-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc6916eaca4b 23:35:36 rip 23:35:36 Notable weaknesses of monster draconians: low magic resistance, don't see invisible, non-white are cold-blooded. Enemy draconians can be zealots, shifters, knights, annihilators, scorchers, callers, or monks, each with their own set of spells and abilities. 23:35:38 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:35:51 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:35:55 that's nice, sequell 23:36:01 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:36:01 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:36:34 You die... 23:36:48 You rejoin the land of the living... 23:36:50 You die... 23:36:50 Save macros? 23:36:58 i guess it's failing to trigger sometimes too 23:37:03 You die... 23:37:03 Xom revives you! 23:37:10 No, it's the same desynch issue. 23:37:12 rip 23:37:12 Save macros? 23:37:18 I think Sequell is broken 23:37:25 Sequell is drunk <_< 23:37:27 ??bork 23:37:27 I don't have a page labeled bork in my learndb. Did you mean: blork, book, borg, books, borgs. 23:37:30 !tell greensnark Sequell is drunk again. 23:37:31 Grunt: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 23:37:37 ??cerebov 23:37:38 cerebov[1/5]: 23:37:41 ??cerebov 23:37:41 cerebov[1/5]: Guards the fiery rune with the Sword of Cerebov and spells of iron shot, haste, fire storm, and summon greater demons. Can defeat nearly anything consistently in !fight. His level is crawling with balrugs. 23:37:49 !beer sequell 23:41:08 !cheers sequell 23:41:08 * Sequell slides a shot glass of moonshine across the bar to sequell, on the house. 23:41:08 !next 23:41:08 The RNG decrees that gammafunk shall win he-- next. 23:41:08 !cheers ontoclasm 23:41:08 * Sequell slides a shot glass of whiskey across the bar to ontoclasm, on the house. 23:41:08 mm 23:41:08 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 23:41:08 <|amethyst> !cheers deaden the pain 23:41:08 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:41:08 * Sequell slides a briefcase full of lager across the bar to deaden, on the house. 23:41:08 <|amethyst> !cheers deaden_the_pain 23:41:08 * Sequell slides a cask of vermouth across the bar to deaden_the_pain, on the house. 23:41:08 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:41:39 <|amethyst> wheals: re 8207: looks so. 4695f10 was the affected version 23:42:11 ? 23:42:48 -!- _aardvark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:43:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:43:03 !crashlog . 23:43:04 1. gammafunk, XL16 OpTm, T:50276 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/crash-gammafunk-20121220-215213.txt 23:43:09 nope 23:43:14 NOPE 23:43:20 hrm, got a crash on the summon branch after a weird keystroke 23:43:28 not sure if it was wiz mode or a legitimate bug 23:43:47 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/crash-gammafunk-20140227-054227.txt 23:43:49 wizmode 23:44:02 what did I do? 23:44:08 &u, probably 23:44:22 ah, never used that one! 23:44:58 * Lightli wishes he had wizmode access online with a dumb gimmick account too 23:45:07 (unfortunately, wishes don't exist in crawl) 23:45:41 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:47:08 Yay, not my fault! 23:47:23 !send DracoOmega crashes 23:47:24 Sending crashes to DracoOmega. 23:48:10 Apparently my morgue directory for my working dev copy of Crawl has 872 crash logs in it already. Isn't that enough? :P 23:48:29 !send DracoOmega a drive full of morgues 23:48:29 Sending a drive full of morgues to DracoOmega. 23:48:33 Haha 23:50:32 You have 872 cursed logs; isn't that enough? 23:53:33 !send Ashenzari wheals 23:53:33 Sending wheals to Ashenzari. 23:57:51 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 30.0a1/20140221030202]]