00:01:06 One potential concern is that some low level clouds have positive effects that higher ones don't 00:01:12 // Yes, we really hate players, damn their guts. 00:01:32 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:01:35 I don't know if it produces enough steam to matter, but it seems a bit iffy to me that it could be useful to block los but only a LOW power 00:02:09 Of course, outright killing things often obviates the need to block los, so it might be fine anyway 00:02:50 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:05:13 -!- Grujah has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:05:19 can I use std::begin and end from c++11? 00:06:22 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2811-gd077371 (34) 00:09:50 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:47 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:14:24 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:35 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:15 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:17:38 (DracoOmega I assume you are talking about steam clouds blocking LOS, whereas the higher clouds do not?) 00:18:19 Yes 00:18:38 I have no idea if a low-evocations rod of clouds produces enough steam on demand to be useful for this or not, but it seems that it could 00:19:09 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:19:19 Indeed, I would find LOS blocking on demand to be more useful than damage in the latter parts of the game. 00:22:01 I guess I just find it awkward for an item to ever get worse in some way at higher skill 00:22:08 Maybe a better thing for low power would be to have a chance of producing some of the useless non-obscuring clouds as 'cantrips', with a small chance of the mid-tier ones mixed in? 00:22:54 The cloud types already do vary like that with power (just not the exact cloud types). 00:22:58 it at least shouldn't be reliable steam at any power 00:23:04 Agreed it's awkward. 00:23:14 having the chance of steam go down as power increases seems okay as long as the chance is never that high 00:23:18 Really what I'd like is more interesting low power cloud types :b 00:23:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:23:25 do any of the other clouds block los? 00:23:27 (or at least less useful than steam) 00:23:33 -!- Yuof has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:23:41 Perhaps the wall of air clouds? 00:23:44 Grunt: gloom 00:23:52 * Grunt gestures. The crystal spear hits wheals! 00:23:54 Gloom blocks los too, doesn't it? 00:24:02 %git HEAD^{/[Gg]loom} 00:24:03 07MarvinPA02 * 0.13-a0-2434-ga0ae079: Remove gloom 10(7 months ago, 11 files, 32+ 66-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a0ae0798b3ff 00:24:06 Okay, DID 00:24:07 ...that's irrelevant :b 00:24:54 elliptic: Yeah, like small amounts of steam aren't actually useful for cover, so seem fine. I haven't seen the rod in action, of course 00:25:40 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:26:16 Perhaps if there was a cloud that functioned as a single-square umbra? 00:26:38 I am not sure we need new clouds that have really minor effects particularly for this item 00:26:53 Prolly not. ;) 00:26:56 When just a mix of decorative clouds and a smaller number of functional clouds seems fine enough for a low powered effect 00:27:35 yeah, there's mist and smoke and so on 00:27:55 Dammit, twice I just made an ally to test something in wizmode, then accidentally immediately banished him instead of blinking 00:28:29 I think the selection cursor disappears there when it's not supposed to 00:28:52 what power level would miasma be? you can get it from an L2 spell, after all 00:29:30 -!- Chris7 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:30:37 A level 2 spell that is many many times less flexible than an aimable rod 00:30:38 We already have enough ways of producing miasma. 00:30:55 I do wonder if the ocassional cloud of petrifying dust might be fun here, though 00:31:41 But it already produces quite a lot of things 00:34:41 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:02 you used to be able to get all the clouds from a L2 spell ;) 00:35:30 * Grunt tosses potions at elliptic. 00:35:40 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:22 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:50 -!- nonethousand has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:41:26 -!- gowby has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:33 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:43:17 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:36 hello 00:46:24 s/CLOUD_STEAM/CLOUD_MIST/ or similar is probably the simplest immediate solution. 00:49:22 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:26 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:01:51 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 01:01:59 -!- kr4n3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:02:01 -!- ahaha is now known as ahahaha 01:16:18 -!- ahahaha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:16:36 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 01:17:50 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:24 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:18:56 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:27:11 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Using leafChat 2] 01:33:24 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 01:35:00 * Grunt discovers an amusing case where damage reduction on account of rF doesn't identify rF, though it's either very unlikely to happen or useless when it does happen. 01:35:58 And what's that? 01:36:19 You fall into the lava! The lava scorches you!! You manage to scramble free! 01:37:08 -!- neonbutts has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:37:22 -!- Roshnak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:39:39 hey guys, i was looking through this draft .14 changelog on github and a few things confused me 01:40:26 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:40:52 * Recommended backgrounds and species have been adjusted; in particular 01:40:52 ? 01:40:53 species can recommend backgrounds that aren't necessarily recommended by 01:40:55 that species and vice versa. 01:41:21 that entry is making my brain hurt trying to decipher it 01:41:34 This means things like if you pick chaos knight first, it can recommend some species that make good CKs 01:41:41 But picking those species won't recommend CK itself 01:41:41 that's because that entry isn't correctly written 01:41:44 Since CK is kind of bad 01:41:44 :P 01:41:53 and there are loose lines all over the place like someone failed at deleting things 01:41:56 if a species recommends a background, the species recommends the background 01:42:03 but the background might not recommend the species 01:42:16 Oh, haha. I didn't even look at the wording. 01:42:21 I just skipped right to explaining the intent :P 01:42:37 ...my writing usually isn't that bad :( 01:42:39 " One of these spots is selected at random for landing." i have no idea what this is doing under New Races 01:42:49 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:43:08 Read the line immediately above that one. 01:43:16 ...and note the heading it's under. 01:43:41 Formicids possess four strong arms to use large weapons together with 01:43:43 shields, in addition to strong natural digging abilities and a permanent 01:43:44 stasis effect. 01:44:22 There are about five lines between what you just now quoted and what you initially quoted. 01:44:42 not in what i'm looking at 01:44:46 What are you looking at? 01:44:55 https://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/commit/babb9225ad033ca2a06c5136b037eda2e0e2e224 01:44:59 ... 01:45:03 You're reading the *diff*. 01:45:40 ...my bad 01:45:40 Note that it is skipping lines in that view 01:46:06 ...there are other inaccurate things in here, I'm noticing >_> 01:46:09 Though the awkwardness of the wording on the combo recommendations still stands, I think :P 01:46:13 that diff formatting is really awful to read, to be fair 01:46:30 Yeah, it's kind of subtle that it's skipping lines 01:46:32 a single blank line between chunks and that's all 01:46:44 solution: don't use gitorious 01:46:46 Haha 01:47:02 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blobdiff;f=crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt;h=ebedaefb3d82cfc5cd0b7bd5842252ba00479b9f;hp=dec50bf1d59aa8a80dedd0fbb0ba6be97a38bb0b;hb=babb9225ad033ca2a06c5136b037eda2e0e2e224;hpb=7181bdcd8bce834ab7803e61c3f8dad50c355d64 01:47:06 so much better 01:47:23 Yes, I always use that instead of gitorious 01:47:39 Well, usually s-z.org, but it's the same view 01:49:11 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2812-gec04de3: Poke a couple of changelog inaccuracies / awkward wordings / misplacements. 10(61 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec04de39fa47 01:49:13 am i reading this correctly to say that there's now only 22 levels between D:1 and the Realm Of Zot? 01:49:27 (that isn't much of an improvement, but I'm about to go to sleep) 01:50:24 (clearly I should set wheals on this; he's better at finding these things than I am) 01:50:41 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:50:54 !messages 01:50:54 No messages for TZer0. 01:51:04 !tell TZer0 No messages for TZer0. 01:51:05 Grunt: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 01:51:33 Grunt: Lies.... LIEEES! 01:51:33 TZer0: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:51:35 !messages 01:51:35 (1/1) Grunt said (30s ago): No messages for TZer0. 01:51:53 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:53:00 no stuck zombie-procs, but I have one user who can't log in 01:53:02 or 01:53:05 rather: play 01:53:13 but he is already on the bugged-out version 01:57:18 Could it really be? 01:57:24 Could I actually have this in a working state now? 01:57:29 It's only been all day, after all 01:57:53 (...all hands, brace for impact) 01:58:19 Haha, it's not quite tidy enough to push yet 01:58:24 Still have debug helper code to remove 01:58:39 And I don't think anyone will be terribly excited to have minor pathfinding bugs fixed 01:58:45 But *I* will certainly be happy to have it done with 01:59:28 The more fun stuff comes a couple days later, now that I can get back to it :P 02:00:19 DracoOmega: will it fix pathfinding leaving small black areas on the other side of the map? 02:00:37 so it no longer has to go back for them? 02:00:38 What? 02:00:46 Oh, it has nothing to do with autoexplore 02:00:53 oh, enemies? 02:00:54 It's mostly helping allied monsters 02:00:58 ah 02:01:00 nice 02:01:03 It does fix a couple enemy issues, too 02:01:26 the one where they walk behind a wall where some of their allies are in front of you? 02:01:35 and then they stay there... 02:01:53 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:02:11 Well, it used to be that monsters would flee from ranged attacks of allied monsters if they had no ranged attacks of their own and the PLAYER was unreachable 02:02:17 Even if they could reach the thing shooting at them just fine 02:02:22 -!- Borek is now known as Mandevil 02:02:28 It didn't even matter if the player was nearby 02:03:12 But like, if you were hovering over lava on one end of the map, hill giants would flee from oklobs elsewhere shooting at them 02:03:12 Since a lot of checks were player-centric 02:03:36 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1184173/pathbug.png 02:03:38 Should fix a similar issue in arena (that I wonder people didn't notice or comment on more, since that's where it was most evident) 02:03:46 I've had stuff like this happen 02:04:04 And stop some allied monsters walking into walls (a problem I introduced myself 2 weeks ago in an effort to fix them being stupid in OTHER situations) 02:04:40 I don't THINK it helps with that? 02:04:51 daw, oh well 02:04:55 it mostly helps the player anyway. 02:05:56 It should make allies path a bit better in general, if you tell them to attack something they're not yet in a position to see 02:06:35 The old behavior only caused them to sometimes move properly towards it by accident, mostly :P 02:06:48 hahahah 02:06:50 yeah 02:06:55 I've experienced that a few times 02:07:02 (I think more than a few pieces of monster behavior code only work by accident, I have to say) 02:07:17 It's quite tangled in some places 02:08:33 anyway, I got to go 02:08:37 bye 02:09:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:09:23 -!- Ayutzia has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:09:55 See ya 02:14:21 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:14:26 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:16:53 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:17:11 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2812-gec04de3 (34) 02:18:08 -!- Adumbration has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:40 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:46 -!- ainsophy_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:46 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:54 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:30:18 -!- ainsophy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:32:29 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:33:21 !tell dpeg nice interview, once again 02:33:21 Napkin: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 02:34:22 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:26 -!- mongor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:41:53 Napkin: what interview? 02:42:20 I have subscribed to this wiki page: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:press 02:43:04 and hi Wensley :) 02:46:08 Napkin: o/ 02:46:25 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:47:18 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 02:52:18 -!- gowby has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:53:40 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:55:09 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:55:44 Dookster (L1 GrBe) ASSERT(idx < 5) in 'tilepick.cc' at line 5694 failed. (D:1) 02:56:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:56:47 Dookster (L1 GrBe) ASSERT(idx < 5) in 'tilepick.cc' at line 5694 failed. (D:1) 02:58:50 -!- namad8 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:01:36 Okay, maybe I am finally done with this for now 03:05:47 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-2813-gfd33211: Make monster pathfinding less player-centric 10(40 minutes ago, 4 files, 29+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd33211bd3db 03:05:47 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-2814-ga15dc20: Make friendly summons prefer paths that never leave the player's sight 10(29 minutes ago, 5 files, 22+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a15dc20ff368 03:05:47 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-2815-gb859c48: Improve/fix some ally movement behavior via pathfinding 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b859c480c2e9 03:05:47 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-2816-g34e5dbe: Remove some (hopefully) useless behavior code 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=34e5dbe40948 03:07:18 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:11:15 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:11:20 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:15:36 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:18:05 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18:39 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:49 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:22:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:23:44 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:23:44 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 03:23:44 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:53 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:13 guys, I need to move from current CDO to a new server 03:32:29 means services will be down for a day or two, max 4 03:33:15 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:48:09 -!- SeianVerian has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:51:22 -!- herself1 is now known as herself 04:03:58 -!- Varduck has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:07:29 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:14:07 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:16:01 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:20:23 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:43 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:43:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:45:22 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:54 ChaosMind (L1 DsCK) ASSERT(idx < 5) in 'tilepick.cc' at line 5694 failed. 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Use !messages to read it. 05:26:44 !messages 05:26:44 (1/1) wheals said (6h 28m 21s ago): this is what the plan is with djinn 05:32:08 Hello? 05:37:12 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:37:41 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 05:39:43 Wasn't it already? 05:40:13 ...oh my god 05:40:17 they actually did it 05:41:39 RIP DJINN 05:47:05 !tell wheals What is your plan with wizlabs? 05:47:06 Lightli: OK, I'll let wheals know. 05:55:37 -!- glosham has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:56:28 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 05:58:29 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:00:56 eith: Welcome to Crawl: Now with 100% less Djinn 06:02:25 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:06:31 how can they do that? 06:06:50 there is absolutely no reason to do that!?! Djinn is not from Tolkien! 06:07:48 is that from tavern 06:10:53 djinn got removed with a commit on February 12th 06:12:31 yeah, that's definitely tavern 06:12:55 goddamnit, fucking 4chan is more intelligent than tavern now 06:14:00 that's a pretty bold statement 06:14:41 the responses to their removal on there are actually reasonably intelligent 06:14:50 and even humorous 06:15:02 " they need all dj for scrolls of acquirement" 06:19:45 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:08 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:21:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:45:20 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 07:03:39 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:38 -!- Giavanni has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:06:07 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 07:08:07 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:09:51 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:11:24 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:50 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 333 seconds] 07:17:44 -!- ebarrett has quit [Quit: I quit] 07:18:33 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:19:10 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:43 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:39 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 07:22:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 07:25:35 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:28:19 -!- eith has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:29:51 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:31:01 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:32:03 -!- mongor has quit [Client Quit] 07:37:49 -!- Zaba has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:50:02 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:50:04 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:50:26 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:50:56 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:51:08 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06:24 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:07:03 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 08:07:14 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:13:06 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:13:22 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:19:57 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:20:35 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:33 -!- nonethou1and has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:05 -!- nonethousand has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 08:22:32 -!- oberste1n has joined ##crawl-dev 08:22:33 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 436 seconds] 08:22:34 -!- oberste1n is now known as oberstein 08:28:52 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:33:14 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:46 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:28 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:41:09 any tapatalk user in here? 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minmay implied that if he did he'd be the most dangerous unique of his depth 09:32:43 well, adding it in more spell slots, but I don't actually know how that increases frequency of casting (or if it does) 09:33:22 I wonder how long we have until the next release 09:36:00 %git 09:36:18 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-2816-g34e5dbe: Remove some (hopefully) useless behavior code 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=34e5dbe40948 09:36:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2817-g6057bb5: Unduplicate an antimagic check 10(32 minutes ago, 5 files, 13+ 19-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6057bb569af1 09:36:45 384 commits? :P 09:36:49 383 09:37:12 hrm, 8 commits a day on average maybe... 09:38:17 elliptic: Do you have any opinions on what unique kill ratios "should" be? At least in terms of a minimum threshold? 09:38:40 well that depends a lot on where they generate 09:39:05 later uniques *should* have a much lower killratio 09:39:06 Yes. I'm talking frances/asterion/snorg depth in particular here 09:39:21 Yeah, obviously early uniques always have the higher killratios 09:39:21 the release date is not set yet? so you don't know when your next tournament will be? 09:39:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:29 bhaak: yeah 09:40:11 I'd been going with "at least 1% regardless of depth" 09:41:15 Asterion post-shield removal and Frances both are struggling to meet their quotas 09:41:17 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:25 !killratio jory 09:41:26 jory wins 2.471% of battles. 09:41:33 how many times has asterion been killed since the removal of his shield? 09:41:38 none 09:41:42 er 09:41:48 he has killed no players 09:41:52 %git :/asterion 09:41:54 Could not find commit :/asterion (git returned 128) 09:41:54 yes I read that 09:41:59 %git :/Asterion 09:41:59 07gammafunk02 {|amethyst} * 0.14-a0-2512-g99fcc2e: Lose Asterion's shield and designate signature weapons. 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 7+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=99fcc2ecabcf 09:42:39 Well I thought that's what you meant to ask; the number of players who have killed him doesn't say much in isolation 09:42:46 gammafunk: 1% minimum is reasonable, but I think it makes more sense to worry about how the unique is getting kills 09:43:13 like, a unique who has a 1% chance of generating with an instakill spell and a 99% chance of generating with no attacks would be bad ;P 09:43:37 Yes, if it's getting 1% but those kills are all silly circumstances, it's also not good 09:43:54 !lm * uniq=asterion start>20140211 09:43:54 391. [2014-02-25 14:48:21] qtjam the Blocker (L18 GrFi of Okawaru) killed Asterion on turn 41349. (Snake:4) 09:44:46 !lg * killer=asterion 09:44:46 7. Charos the Brawler (L15 GhHu of Makhleb), blasted by Asterion (iron shot) on D:14 on 2014-02-25 15:36:09, with 64220 points after 25016 turns and 3:35:46. 09:44:55 that looks recent 09:44:57 oh 09:45:00 heh, yeah that's like 09:45:04 just a little bit ago 09:45:14 !lg * killer=asterion start>20140211 09:45:14 2. Charos the Brawler (L15 GhHu of Makhleb), blasted by Asterion (iron shot) on D:14 on 2014-02-25 15:36:09, with 64220 points after 25016 turns and 3:35:46. 09:45:17 !lg * killer=asterion start>20140211 -2 09:45:18 1/2. yood2002 the Protected (L12 LOBe of Trog), demolished by Asterion (a +3,+6 vampiric demon trident) on D:15 on 2014-02-12 09:49:17, with 20448 points after 11592 turns and 0:49:08. 09:45:37 !lg * killer=asterion -tv 09:45:38 7. Charos, XL15 GhHu, T:25016 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 09:45:41 so like 0.5% killratio recently 09:45:44 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:47 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:46:02 that's a good demon trident at d:15 if i've ever seen one 09:46:19 anyway I doubt anyone will object to buffing him and/or frances, just don't go overboard with it :P 09:46:42 Asterion (05H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 40, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2749 | Sp: major destruction (3d20), spectral weapon / major destruction (3d22), spectral weapon / major destruction (3d24), spectral weapon / major destruction (3d25), spectral weapon / major destruction (3d28), spectral weapon / major destruction (3d52), spectral weapon / major destruction (3d53), spectral weapon / major destruction (3d6), spectral weapon | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 09:46:42 %??Asterion 09:47:22 ugh 09:47:22 maybe he should be wearing some armor and walk around with 180 hp 09:47:27 Ok, well no fire storm for frances then 09:47:35 just lcs? 09:47:37 Bloax: I gave him reasonable armor recently 09:47:45 and Frances 09:48:00 wheals: lcs storm 09:49:15 do asterion's spells also show up like that in his ingame description? 09:49:19 Because that would be bad 09:49:30 no, it shows up as just major destruction 09:49:34 cool 09:49:51 how do i get the --exclude option on git am to work? 09:50:05 I meant one entry vs lots, not the damage thing btw, but that was probably clear 09:50:09 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:50:39 i tried --exclude='mon-data.h' but the changes to mon-data.h were still applied 09:50:53 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:19 wheals: the quotes? 09:52:36 i tried it without the quotes before i think 09:52:43 that could matter on windows, not on unixlikes 09:52:50 I do wonder if it needs to be a full path 09:52:52 I see examples with --exclude 09:53:01 you probably want the whole path? i.e. source/mon-data.h 09:53:05 not that it should matter either 09:53:06 crawl-ref/source/mon-data.h 09:54:24 I mean if you wanted to murder the players - you could just make him run fast in a straight line at the player once he spots them while wandering. 09:54:52 because who doesn't like non-slow boulder beetles 09:55:23 -!- sgiratch has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:55:40 (except with less randomly rolling up into a ball and more impaling you on horns) 09:56:04 Bloax: got the DF bots working in ##crawl-df 09:56:17 when he hits you you get impaled by his horns 09:56:21 and pinned to a wall 09:57:01 might as well call him Vlad 09:57:18 -!- Ququman_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:58:08 geekosaur: ok, using the full path worked 10:00:09 -!- alefury has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 10:00:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:02:02 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:05:20 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:20 -!- kr4n3 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:06:56 -!- sgiratch has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:08:09 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:08:16 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: Changing server] 10:09:54 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Client Quit] 10:12:50 -!- sgiratch has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:13:45 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:25 03wheals02 07* 0.14-a0-2818-g684425b: Remove agate snails. 10(9 days ago, 13 files, 25+ 40-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=684425b75ea3 10:23:03 noooo 10:24:11 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:32:15 -!- asdfe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:36:45 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:43:07 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:57 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:49:06 -!- duralumin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:51:53 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:51:54 oh, do ancient bears exist anywhere post-forest-dispersal or can those be removed 10:52:32 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:52:36 I believe tenofswords was planning to remove them 10:53:04 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:23 -!- Yuof has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:54:47 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:05 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 10:55:21 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:55:51 -!- Ghostwoods has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:56:20 (clearly let BiA occasionally summon them!?) 10:56:27 <_< 10:56:49 they are in some zigs iirc 10:56:57 how about merging scorpions, spiders, and centipedes into a single monster 10:57:05 The relevant zig floor could probably go away. 10:57:07 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:57:14 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:57:16 well yes but zigs don't count, that is what prompted me to ask if they appear elsewhere 10:57:59 the zig floor would be fine without them or not existing yeah 10:59:18 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:59:42 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:13 -!- _dck has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:26 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 64-108 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(85), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1422 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 11:00:26 <_dck> %??stone giant 11:00:30 ancient bear (08U) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 82-125 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 38, 18, 18 | !sil | Res: 06magic(56), 05fire | XP: 1484 | Sp: 04esc:berserker rage | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 11:00:30 <_dck> %??ancient bear 11:00:55 !fight ancient bear v stone giant delay:100 t:10 11:02:18 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:02:28 <_dck> hm, I think they're also parts for chimera creation 11:02:40 iron troll (10T) | Spd: 7 | HD: 16 | HP: 70-110 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Dam: 35, 25, 25 | 10doors, regen | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire, 02cold | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 775 | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 11:02:40 %??iron troll 11:02:56 rename them "fast non-cold resistant iron trolls" 11:03:14 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:03:24 buppy: The Scorpiderpede? 11:03:47 chimera (scorpion, spider, giant centipede) (06H) | Spd: 15 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1004(medium poison), 1004(medium poison), 208(nasty poison) | Res: 06magic(12) | Vul: 09poison+++ | XP: 47 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 11:03:47 %??scorpion-spider-giant centipede chimera 11:03:54 <_dck> out of time trolls 11:03:56 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:04:02 gammafunk: the spider 11:04:05 ticktocktomancer trolls 11:04:18 -!- _dck is now known as dck 11:05:50 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:19 -!- popsofctown has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:06:20 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:41 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:09:59 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:10:57 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:39 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:12:59 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2818-g684425b (34) 11:15:31 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:18:58 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 11:19:50 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:03 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:25:37 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 11:25:58 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:18 -!- notcluie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:28:58 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:33:11 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:34:11 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:42 -!- Napcat has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:38:34 -!- Ququman_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:40:13 -!- Napcar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:40:26 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:45:03 -!- Ququman_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:45:03 -!- julian____ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:50:17 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:09 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:52:57 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 11:53:37 Allow re-evoking evokable flight by pubby 12:00:44 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:04:48 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:04:56 -!- sombrejester has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:07:08 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:07:18 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:07:41 -!- xFleury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:07:48 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:07:57 -!- ZRN has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:08:08 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:19 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:08:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:08:50 -!- Chris7 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:08:51 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:09:21 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:09:22 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:09:43 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:59 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:09 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:12 -!- gammafun1 has quit [Client Quit] 12:15:20 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:34 -!- gammafun1 has quit [Client Quit] 12:16:15 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:17 -!- Kalir has quit [Excess Flood] 12:19:30 -!- Elsi has quit [Excess Flood] 12:19:34 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:19:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:20:18 -!- gammafunk has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 12:20:20 -!- ystael has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 12:20:22 -!- MP2E has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 12:20:22 -!- Adder_ has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 12:20:23 -!- Porost has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 12:20:55 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:05 -!- Fortescue has quit [Ping timeout: 279 seconds] 12:23:29 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:23:32 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:05 dpeg: didn't know you were a metalhead! (good interview!) 12:24:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:24:14 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:55 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:11 (dpeg shreds the broad axe of distortion!!!!! ##crawl shouts wildly!) 12:25:17 -!- Elsi has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:34 So now that Dj are gone, what's the plan? 12:25:53 Remove LO (as much as I like them)? 12:25:53 new background: deejay 12:26:08 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:16 nonethou1and: oh, thanks *blush* 12:30:16 dpeg: You have 7 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:30:38 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:32:08 if any of them involve dj, post them here (assuming they aren't private) 12:32:15 (if so, then whatever) 12:36:46 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 12:36:53 Hm, have allies always turned hostile if you swing at them but don't actually hit them? 12:38:01 Also it's a bit weird there's a warning for moving next to an ally while confused but not for attacking while standing in place. 12:39:30 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:34 -!- MP2E_ has quit [Quit: bbl] 12:41:05 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:42:02 I think it's weird that zombies go hostile if you swing at them 12:43:19 Being mindless slaves and all 12:43:35 -!- edhmaster has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:44:15 interview? WHERE?! 12:44:17 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 12:44:30 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:06 gammafun1? 12:45:10 dck: that should trigger a bad-attack warning 12:45:37 attacking while standing in place, I mean 12:45:43 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:45:59 -!- gammafun1 is now known as gammafunk 12:46:12 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:46:44 gammafunk: http://beyondthedungeon.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/interview-dpeg/ 12:46:47 yeah it should. 12:46:53 !send dck attacks 12:46:53 Sending attacks to dck. 12:47:14 Grunt misses you. Grunt misses you. Grunt completely misses you. 12:47:26 You pummel Grunt!!! 12:47:34 * Grunt seems unharmed. 12:47:47 * dck drinks a potion. dck goes berserk! 12:47:51 * Grunt gestures. Grunt conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs dck! dck is frozen! 12:47:55 I get a prompt when ctrl-attacking an ally 12:48:11 I mean when confused. 12:48:29 you get the prompt when trying to move, not if you ctrl attack 12:48:54 ctrl-attacking while confused, well that's a new one I guess 12:49:28 -!- Ayutzia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:51:10 dpeg: octopodes are fun, I agree 12:51:50 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:54:40 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:57:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:57:55 Lightli: i am totally up for LO brainstorming, but there seems to be a shortage of people willing to code them 13:01:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:47 Eronarn: I'm going to try moving the "magma form" ability to be the lava orc ability on smithgod experimental branch 13:02:19 moving that ability into LO, or moving LO abilities into that? 13:02:37 replacing LO tension effects with magma form 13:02:46 Eronarn: Gloop! 13:03:35 * Grunt thwacks the beehive a little... 13:04:18 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2819-g5a7a5f3: Greatly reduce CBL timeout. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a7a5f311507 13:05:41 Grunt: any thoughts on Asterion/Frances buffs? I think for the cow, a medium shield (he always has 1-h weapon) and possibly greater destruct in another slot 13:05:50 gammafunk: go for it? 13:06:02 but....I need permission 13:06:07 Well, how about Frances? 13:06:16 gammafunk: I think our bovine overlord could benefit from larger planned adjustments to how monster spell slots work, but that's for much later :) 13:06:21 Frances (08@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 121 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 29 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(93) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2119 | Sp: throw icicle (3d23), sum.demon, haste, iron shot (3d26) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:06:21 %??frances 13:06:32 (give Frances SGD, muhahahahahahahahahahaha) 13:07:01 I'm about to leave for lunch, but I'll think about it <_< 13:08:39 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:09:26 -!- N78291 has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:43 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:50 I just tried to run an lg command from my bash shell 13:09:53 wow 13:10:10 turns out I have no wins in bash 13:13:25 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:13:53 1bashratio gammafunk 13:15:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:17:01 hm 13:17:02 Frederick (03@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 159 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3749 | Sp: iron shot (3d36), battlesphere, spectral weapon, invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:17:02 %??frederick spells:iron_shot;iskenderun's_battlesphere;spectral_weapon;invisibility;.;invisibility 13:17:16 -!- syllogism has quit [] 13:17:18 (much more of a BATTLEMAGE) 13:17:22 * Grunt really leaves for lunch. 13:17:43 !killratio frederick 13:17:46 frederick wins 2.508% of battles. 13:17:51 Not too shabby already 13:18:13 -!- julian____ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:24 buppy: but... tension effects... :( 13:22:48 i think exponential decay would fix a lot of tension issues, we should really try that 13:33:58 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 13:39:19 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:41:03 -!- joey___ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:43:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:04 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:00 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:50:35 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:51:38 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:51 -!- Leissi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:57:25 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:01:35 -!- talkingcatjazzca is now known as tcjc 14:02:47 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:22 Not a monster spell: 'demonic horde' 14:08:22 %??frances spells:demonic_horde 14:08:23 fr 14:08:58 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:09:01 Asterion with haste is pretty brutal in my play testing 14:09:11 I worry about giving uniques haste in general 14:09:34 -!- tali713 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:09:48 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:10 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:29 what do people think about buppy's patch to allow re-evoking flight? 14:13:35 Seems like it's not addressing the real problem, which is probably drowning. Re-evokable flight has no difference from the spell 14:13:48 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:14:07 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:20 I would bet permaflight on wearing it would be done in a few months following that change 14:14:20 And to be honest I'm not sure there are really that many drowning deaths from expiring evocable flight to get that worked up about it 14:14:35 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:14 (... why do I have vague memories of Demonic Horde occasionally summoning a 4? I can't find any trace of that ever being the case.) 14:15:25 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:15:34 -!- tali713 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:09 did you make a patch where that was the case 14:16:18 Np/ 14:16:19 No. 14:17:21 Give frances malign gateway <_< >_> 14:17:58 I kind of like malign gateway primarily being a Mnoleg and miscast thing. 14:18:41 I should be careful making suggestions in jest, since Grunt will actually consider them! 14:18:57 !send gammafunk a jester's cap 14:18:57 Sending a jester's cap to gammafunk. 14:19:49 -!- jmbto has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:32 mostly i was thinking of using re-evokable flight to replace the spell 14:25:00 the interface would certainly be better if the only source of flight was permaflight equiptment 14:25:10 I hate casting flight all the time 14:25:32 Flight is not more of a combat spell than dig 14:26:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:27:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:36 It's more of a combat spell than dig, although it's certainly not vastly so 14:31:13 gammafunk: http://sprunge.us/eHQB 14:31:23 (!fight Frances v pandemonium lord [...]) 14:32:00 Well, playing some formicids taught me that dig isn't useless in combat/preparing for combat 14:32:50 the combat use of flight could be replaced by a spell that removes penalties from being in water 14:32:58 Swim 14:32:59 <_< 14:33:14 Swimmer Form 14:33:18 FISH FORM 14:33:47 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:51 of course, we do have ice form, and that's without penalties in water iirc 14:34:37 dig is a lot more useful in combat than flight imo 14:34:55 unless you're in shoals 14:35:53 i was thinking of shoals and swamp; in other places there's not enough shallow water to matter 14:38:41 If flight were useless in combat we'd be removing all forms of flight 14:41:35 -!- zkyp has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:41:35 Grunt: Having a greater demon at that depth? Surely you are too cruel 14:42:50 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:43:05 gammafunk: we couldn't remove flight without removing liquids 14:43:09 -!- darktwinge has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:10 We would do that if liquids had no affect on combat; they do have a significant affect on combat, which is why flight is relevant to combat 14:45:35 Levitation in Brogue has (almost) no combat effect but is still very important 14:45:36 dpeg: You have 8 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:45:38