00:00:34 tried it but don' 00:00:52 johnstein: if I log into dev.berotato.org I get the usual crawl dgl interface 00:00:52 wheals: dev@dev.berotato.org 00:00:55 ah 00:00:57 ah, dev 00:00:58 dev@ 00:01:02 not crawler 00:01:06 Yeah, took me a moment to figure that out :) 00:01:47 DCSS farmer, helen 00:03:59 ya. farmer class I worked on last summer 00:04:21 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2757-gf9284b9 (34) 00:04:39 Woo! 00:04:41 I see DF! 00:05:22 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:25 someone message me with something pithy 00:05:41 or willthat not work 00:05:42 You fall into the water! You sink like a rock. (Couldn't open dbrotest's spool file. Aborting.) 00:07:11 !send gammafunk magma 00:07:11 Sending magma to gammafunk. 00:07:48 !send grunt a lever 00:07:48 Sending a lever to grunt. 00:08:09 i want to play df but i want to play the future version that is coming out "at some point" 00:08:19 heh 00:08:22 wheals: basically this 00:08:25 since january... 00:08:26 last year 00:08:31 johnstein: the viewer is weird 00:08:39 fr: webtiles df 00:08:48 it seems to replay the entire ttyrec every time you start watching 00:08:58 hmm 00:09:07 that could be a problem 00:09:10 It's not letting me play DF 00:09:11 at break-neck speed 00:09:22 buppy: because someone else is 00:09:36 yea I'll add other users later 00:09:39 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:09:49 I already have the script to do it 00:09:52 hm 00:09:57 buppy: it's me because we decided I'm better at DF 00:09:58 will they share a world?? 00:10:02 then you can log in as you 00:10:03 no 00:10:19 mmm 00:10:21 they will have their own save directories 00:10:21 dwarfrobin 00:10:30 I would totally play a dwarfrobin 00:10:31 multidwarfrobin 00:10:42 using hardlinked files to the actual DF install 00:11:23 I'll publish the info later. then after testing I will think about adding it to CBRO 00:11:42 dwarfrobin <3 00:11:48 but I'm super paranoid of messing around there. that's production code! 00:11:55 !lg onlydeepdwarves 00:11:55 12. onlydeepdwarves the Executioner (L16 DDAr of Trog), demolished by a deep troll shaman (led by an ironheart preserver) on Vaults:2 on 2013-10-02 07:10:42, with 130582 points after 28930 turns and 1:40:42. 00:11:56 hey guys 00:11:58 http://www.izaksmells.com/2012/06/dwarf-fortress-ttf-font-download.html :D 00:12:04 that is dwarfrobin! 00:12:04 !lg onlydeepdwarves !dd 00:12:04 1. onlydeepdwarves the Gusty (L5 CeAE), succumbed to an adder's poison on D:4 on 2013-02-27 04:12:27, with 275 points after 3643 turns and 0:08:49. 00:12:17 wheals: wait for the nostalgia branch to go live and start up a dwarfrobin on it <3 00:12:17 grunt: was it your idea to to lntree plus reify? 00:12:22 johnstein: huh? 00:12:50 yesterday when I was brain storming on how to do this 00:12:58 I'll check the log 00:13:14 geekosaur's it seems 00:13:24 1learn add gtab 00:13:42 -!- Keanan has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:14 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 00:15:13 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:15:35 I am so good at digging 00:15:37 it's scary 00:15:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:17:06 aw 00:17:10 no dwarf faces :( 00:17:18 rip 00:17:21 yea 00:17:25 text mode 00:17:33 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 00:17:34 not bitmap tiles mode 00:18:10 I tried the DwarfFortressVan font. 00:18:10 !send gammafunk water 00:18:10 Sending water to gammafunk. 00:18:18 But I'm only getting a bunch of squares instead of faces. 00:18:23 ...hm, I have not played DF in ages. 00:19:17 make sure your character set is UTF-8 and your font is one that supports DF text 00:19:30 I had to try several fonts 00:19:37 consolas works fine 00:20:08 but it doesn't have dwarf faces :-( 00:20:12 yea 00:20:32 won't work in console :( 00:20:42 hm 00:22:48 let's see if i can magic one up 00:22:48 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:22:53 by editing consolas 00:23:09 hah 00:23:54 because these smiley faces just won't do 00:28:38 bed constructed 00:32:04 -!- Stelpa6 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:36:03 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40:58 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:50:24 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:53:38 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-2758-gc3339f3: Add you.anchored() lua for dimension anchor status. 10(80 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3339f3dff13 00:53:39 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:53:58 elliptic: so are these all for bot work or? 00:54:44 qw submitted some FRs 00:54:55 :) 00:55:22 also increasing the number of things that are accessible by lua is generally a good idea (as long as it isn't leaking information) 00:56:13 yay 00:56:19 you can play as your user now 00:56:25 we venturin' now 00:56:27 !send johnstein dorfs 00:56:28 Sending dorfs to johnstein. 00:56:31 for DF on DBRO 00:56:33 unfortunately 00:56:43 i can't use numpad 00:57:00 whoever is playing as dbrotest looks like they are using 80x24 terminal size 00:57:03 and arrows/home/end/pgup/dn works wonky 00:57:04 DF min is 80x25 00:57:10 o 00:58:15 just dbro? 00:58:34 dev.berotato.org 00:58:36 for now 00:58:43 ok 00:58:48 separate chroot from cbro 00:59:02 so if things go spectacularly BAD, it's cool 00:59:37 ...and they all laugh at me for using 80x25... 00:59:50 don't worry, we laugh at DF players too 01:00:04 also doomrl players and adom players 01:00:06 !send elliptic magma 01:00:06 Sending magma to elliptic. 01:00:06 I need one of the smart dudes in here to explain how to prevent it from replaying the entire ttyrec 01:00:42 thanks spearbro 01:01:17 trying to thing of a good wheals pun with df 01:01:22 !send Grunt a vein of raw adamantine 01:01:23 Sending a vein of raw adamantine to Grunt. 01:01:29 !send wheals water wheals 01:01:29 Sending water wheals to wheals. 01:01:40 !send gammafunk cotton candy 01:01:41 Sending cotton candy to gammafunk. 01:02:02 nah 01:02:05 whealbarrow 01:03:19 gotta have http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6FXeupOp04 for theme 01:05:11 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:13:28 !learn add dbro The development wing of CBRO. ssh to dev.berotato.org user: dev same ssh keys as cbro (http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys) . Currently serving mediocre crawl dev versions and Dwarf Fortress (running in TEXT mode). 01:13:28 dbro[1/1]: The development wing of CBRO. ssh to dev.berotato.org user: dev same ssh keys as cbro (http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys) . Currently serving mediocre crawl dev versions and Dwarf Fortress (running in TEXT mode). 01:14:33 there he is 01:15:40 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:15:47 I've always wanted to play Multiplayer DF Legends! 01:15:47 I'm still amazed DF actually has a text mode now, it's like, this is the future 01:15:52 haha 01:16:00 for some reason I thought it always had text mode 01:16:08 but I guess it was the bitmap fonts that it always had? 01:16:54 I'm amazed I got it to work 01:17:58 oh no spearbro 01:18:01 what happened to you 01:18:45 now I just need to HACK the DF code to add milestone generation 01:19:26 elliptic: < icantfindaname> Lua error: attempt to compare two table values x25 01:19:35 (I suspect this may relate to your change) 01:19:37 (s) 01:19:41 "Johnstein Urist is taken by a fey mood" 01:19:59 T555555: Tantrum spiral 01:20:18 man I gotta get this ttyrec fast forwarding figured out 01:20:28 taking forever to catch up 01:20:35 bloax, that's you playing, right? 01:20:38 yes 01:20:47 froze up atm 01:21:06 vps memory and cpu usage look low 01:21:27 it's stuck on the Option screen 01:21:34 there we go 01:21:40 I just synced up too 01:21:43 maybe related... 01:21:49 probably 01:23:11 http://i.imgur.com/25cjPkT.png 01:23:27 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:23:44 watching via my iphone 01:24:03 I could play if I was that masochistic. the translucent keyboard makes it almost doable 01:24:21 noo :c 01:24:56 Grunt: yeah, I guess I know what is happening :/ 01:25:25 Grunt: there is something wrong with the lua I added there, which is causing the error, which is effectively causing it to veto all omnigrid layouts 01:25:49 which fixed my desync problem as claimed in the commit message :P 01:26:17 Haha 01:26:22 It fixed it by vetoing them? 01:26:25 I was worried that comparing those values wouldn't be allowed, but it seemed to work, so... 01:26:52 anyway I guess I should revert and look for a different fix 01:28:29 (remind me not to trust myself checking Lua in the future >_>) 01:28:40 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-2759-g5bb4bfe: Revert "Fix some lua being non-deterministic." 10(87 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5bb4bfe51594 01:28:42 stand still girl 01:28:52 hm, what servers need rebuilding 01:28:53 i can't hit you if you're rolling all the time 01:29:36 %version 01:29:36 trunk: 0.14-a0-2757-gf9284b9; 0.13: 0.13.1-27-ga479965; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 01:29:56 ??rebuild 01:29:57 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 01:30:06 elliptic: everything but CAO, probably? 01:30:07 I HUNGER FOR HUMAN FLESH 01:30:12 (and CDO) 01:30:24 #version 01:30:39 I don't remember all the prefixes to check 01:30:45 @version 01:30:50 !version 01:30:50 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2759-g5bb4bfe (34) 01:30:50 trunk: 0.14-a0-2749-g55854e8; 0.13: 0.13.1-27-ga479965; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 01:30:57 ??prefix 01:30:58 I don't have a page labeled prefix in my learndb. 01:31:01 ??bots 01:31:01 bots[1/3]: Bots that can be pm'd: announcement bots: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Sizzell (CSZO, %), Lantell (CLAN, $), Ruffell (RHF, #), Rotatell (CBRO, ^); others: Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! ?? and others) 01:31:05 $version 01:31:06 trunk: 0.14-a0-2756-gf09ee85; 0.13: 0.13.1-27-ga479965; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.4 01:31:07 ^version 01:31:07 trunk: 0.14-a0-2747-ge969822; 0.13: 0.13.1-27-ga479965 01:31:14 ...oh, cbro is safe 01:31:28 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:31:29 %git HEAD^^ 01:31:29 07elliptic02 * 0.14-a0-2757-gf9284b9: Give lua the information of which squares are forbidden because of mesm/fear. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9284b99d6b4 01:31:32 %git HEAD^^^ 01:31:32 07elliptic02 * 0.14-a0-2756-gf09ee85: Fix some lua being non-deterministic. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f09ee85bc0c3 01:31:35 yeah, it is 2756 01:31:46 yea cbro rebuilds after midnight PST 01:32:00 is rhf still dead? 01:32:02 don't want it laggin mah games 01:32:05 rip rhf 01:32:39 do servers die often? 01:33:27 well, I don't think we know what actually happened to rhf? 01:33:31 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2759-g5bb4bfe (34) 01:33:31 rhf died before, didn't it 01:33:45 it was retired before 01:34:04 anyway cln and cszo are updated and I guess they are the only ones that were affected 01:35:29 god damn it 01:35:32 i just threw all my weapons 01:36:13 doh 01:36:42 UH OH 01:36:53 ...this boss is pretty boss. 01:37:01 is reaching supposed to be able to go through statues 01:37:10 Yes, apparently. 01:37:12 targeting things statues block reaching, but they actually don't 01:37:16 god damn you skill disadvantages 01:37:28 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:37:29 and some vaults are very obviously designed without reaching-past-statues in mind 01:37:34 so there are some problems/inconsistencies here 01:37:50 rip 01:37:54 eh 01:38:01 :C 01:38:03 no loss 01:38:08 now you can play again 01:38:10 as Bloax! 01:38:21 so there's definitely a bug or something here but I don't know what part is the problem 01:38:37 alternatively i could reopen putty in 80x25 01:38:38 thanks for taking it out for a spin 01:38:49 yea. that's recommended too 01:39:25 G-Flex: I think it isn't supposed to go through statues 01:39:35 all right 01:39:55 don't ask me though whether it is supposed to go through grates, I don't know :P 01:40:20 I'm pretty sure it makes sense to go through grates, and there's definitely stuff designed for monsters to exploit this 01:40:33 going through grates seems pretty silly to me 01:40:34 !learn edit dbro[1] s/mode)./mode) Set your terminal size to 80x25 and ensure you are using UTF-8 character set./ 01:40:34 ERROR: missing ): (?i-ms:mode).) 01:40:39 how do you swing a halberd through a grate 01:40:43 !learn edit dbro[1] s/mode\)./mode\) Set your terminal size to 80x25 and ensure you are using UTF-8 character set./ 01:40:43 dbro[1/1]: The development wing of CBRO. ssh to dev.berotato.org user: dev same ssh keys as cbro (http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys) . Currently serving mediocre crawl dev versions and Dwarf Fortress (running in TEXT mode) Set your terminal size to 80x25 and ensure you are using UTF-8 character set. 01:40:44 G-Flex: Why? You can poke a spear through a gap in a grate! 01:40:47 or a scythe 01:40:49 most polearms aren't spears 01:40:56 also spears can have broad heads or whatever 01:40:57 Assume the gaps are pretty large 01:41:00 johnstein: this is where you drop http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127213.0 into the mix 01:41:08 makes less sense than statues 01:41:11 yes 01:41:22 spears are the only case where it kind of makes sense to reach through a grate 01:41:27 cool 01:41:27 How does sticking a pole through clear openings make LESS sense than throguh a statue? 01:41:37 I'll work on adding that as an additional game mode 01:41:39 tridents have wide heads, other polearms are swung rather than jabbed 01:41:43 hm 01:41:47 DracoOmega: well, reaching it /past/ the statue makes more sense 01:41:48 that might actually be a good use for the server 01:41:52 http://pastebin.com/7HB7Tc1y might as well use this then 01:41:57 testing out some of the interesting mods 01:41:57 well, i assume the statues aren't solid blocks of granite 01:42:02 "modern art" 01:42:08 statues aren't space-filling, you can see through them 01:42:09 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 01:43:05 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:43:59 statues are treated like glass walls for all other things afaik 01:44:13 whereas grates are not 01:45:29 actually, can't you smite target past statues 01:45:39 or can you not 01:45:44 not afaik 01:45:48 that's weird 01:46:09 i guess statues really are solid blocks of granite 01:46:14 not really, grates were supposed to be the only thing that you can't walk through but can target through 01:46:27 why can't you smite-target past a statue if you can see past it, though 01:46:35 G-Flex: same reason as with glass..... 01:46:42 glass makes more sense to me, somehow 01:46:43 and trees 01:46:45 because it's more solid 01:46:58 a glass wall is more airtight for lack of a better word 01:47:14 also you can smite-target past like, a titan 01:47:31 the bottom line though is that solid features that you can smite-target through have a lot of gameplay issues and should be used sparingly 01:47:33 then again you can also shoot beams through them 01:47:37 and statues are not currently used sparingly :P 01:48:21 -!- BorekL is now known as Mandevil 01:49:01 water, lava 01:49:23 minmay: "solid" 01:49:35 though I'll certainly agree that water/lava have gameplay issues too 01:49:58 also, is it new that cleave doesn't work while confused? 01:50:07 I think that's fairly old 01:50:14 is it older than meatsprint 01:50:22 because it seems like a massive nerf to meatsprint characters 01:50:23 I... think so? I could be wrong. 01:50:31 is it intended? 01:50:34 Yes 01:51:17 it's good that these guys are so enthusiastic to join me, because i certainly am completely useless with a stick 01:51:22 %git c46bb3a4 01:51:22 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-541-gc46bb3a: Don't allow cleaving while confused 10(1 year, 5 months ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c46bb3a4ecf7 01:51:23 %git c46bb3a4 01:51:23 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-541-gc46bb3a: Don't allow cleaving while confused 10(1 year, 5 months ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c46bb3a4ecf7 01:51:27 Haha 01:51:53 guess that's what i get for playing a tree-hugging hippie 01:52:07 %git b88bd424d 01:52:07 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-2559-gb88bd42: Merge branch 'meatsprint' 10(12 months ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b88bd424dfb5 01:52:18 So yes, quite a while before 01:52:18 so yeah, it is older than meatsprint 01:53:32 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:56:29 rip dingo 01:56:46 your end was very bloody 01:59:12 bloax: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/361633/ss-desktop/ss%202014-02-23%20at%201.56.41%20AM.png 01:59:21 buddy snagged that 01:59:25 while spying on you 01:59:33 mutilation 01:59:38 is my game 02:00:01 mm, dingo blood 02:00:05 ??australia 02:00:05 australia[1/1]: messages_at_top = true 02:00:18 fr: rename wolves dingoes 02:00:36 also, if I'm pollutin' the room with DF talk, let me know and I'll tone it down 02:00:45 that's not trouble sir 02:00:47 that's suicide 02:00:48 but ok 02:03:30 ##crawl-df 02:09:11 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:29 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2759-g5bb4bfe (34) 02:24:53 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 02:24:58 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: catnap] 02:25:01 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:25:52 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 02:28:39 -!- rlund__ has quit [Changing host] 02:28:39 -!- rlund__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:39 -!- Yermak has quit [Changing host] 02:28:40 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Changing host] 02:28:47 -!- Lightli has quit [Changing host] 02:28:47 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:53 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Changing host] 02:28:54 -!- Grujah has quit [Changing host] 02:28:54 -!- icantfindaname has quit [Changing host] 02:28:54 -!- Gmork has quit [Changing host] 02:28:58 -!- joey_ has quit [Changing host] 02:29:07 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Changing host] 02:29:08 -!- conted has quit [Changing host] 02:29:37 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:37 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 02:29:37 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:03 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:30 Spriggan druid changes by Sage 02:42:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:43:57 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 02:46:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:46 Do you REALLY think that a 3 turn delay followed by an 8 turn cooldown on a pretty squishy creature is necessary for something that will recall, at worst, one non-mighted hydra and probably just grab some spiny frog or swamp drake or something? 02:48:59 That feels like beyond overkill 02:50:04 -!- scrubnub has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:51:28 the timers could be tweaked 02:51:31 I cribbed it from convokers, and I'm not good with numbers 02:51:56 so sure, I'm not especially attached to those specific numbers 02:52:31 also, it could recall more than 1-2 monsters at once 02:52:46 Well, it could only ever grab one dangerous one 02:52:56 right, I mean we could change it to recall more 02:53:23 might as well just replace them with convokers then 02:53:34 I am not sure I like making it that much more convoker-like, yes 02:53:37 Regardless of other concerns 02:53:42 I'm mulling over something to swap out might other 02:54:03 but there are some fair differences at the moment to be fair 02:54:24 a weaker, earlier variant of a monster 02:54:26 s/fair d/d 02:54:40 never seen before tactic 02:54:40 DracoOmega: I do like convokers though :) 02:54:52 Bloax: Harder to curare, harder to ?fear 02:55:00 I am not really sure why something that produces one hydra at worst and much less on average would need a delay anyway 02:55:06 faster, calls monsters better suited to the terrain 02:55:29 part of the problem is that it can place a mighted hydra _adjacent_ to you without warning 02:55:37 Only if you're already adjacent to the druid 02:55:49 i can't see that happening 02:55:49 And it can't act immediately under most circumstances either 02:56:01 They are quite good at getting adjacent to you 02:56:14 They are more hampered by water than most things there 02:57:07 -!- rubinko has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:57:12 I wouldn't mind them so much if what they summoned was placed at the edge of your LOS 02:57:34 -!- Surr_ is now known as Surr 02:57:34 because then at least you get a warning 02:58:28 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:58:52 For sake of argument, why does them summoning a hydra need more warning than something crystal spearing you in the face or whatnot? (And as I said, in most cases the hydra literally cannot act until you've had a turn anyway) 02:59:13 well, at least we all seem to be in agreement about removing sunray? ;) 02:59:43 I would like to raise my hand and ask what's wrong with that in particular, too, to be honest 02:59:59 usually you wouldn't get crystal speared multiple times in a row 03:00:09 which you will if you get a mighted hydra in water next to you 03:00:14 Usually you don't get multiple hydra in a row, either 03:00:24 for what its worth, I consider OoD to be a much better monster spell than LCS 03:00:39 it checks EV but not rMsl, and that's only one of three weirdnesses about it that aren't very interesting to play against 03:00:51 speaking of OoD 03:00:52 The vampire and invis thing? 03:01:01 weirdnesses can be justified if they lead to interesting gameplay 03:01:11 orb spiders should probably not throw homing balls at you 03:01:13 DracoOmega: not multiple hydra, but the hydra can get multiple turns 03:01:14 yes, those are the other two 03:01:16 I'm not really attached to it being 'sunray' as such, but I do think it sort of makes sense for them to have some normal ranged attack 03:01:24 some ranged attack might be reasonable, sure 03:01:25 and you spend turns killing the hydra rather than killing the spriggan 03:01:28 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:01:41 buppy: Well, it can't get them all of a sudden 03:01:49 The only 'warning' you get about LCS damage is taking it 03:01:52 if we wanted something really normal, could go with stone arrow to balance out the air mages having lightning bolt 03:02:00 Stone arrow came to mind too 03:02:05 That seems reasonable enough 03:02:18 maybe they should just have lcs since we talk so much about it 03:02:20 It doesn't need weird, but I do think they benefit from some conventional attack 03:03:29 buppy: Well, probably either you kill the spriggan immediately anyway, or you get away. Most of the time they summon stuff, they will not be next to you at that very moment and thus you will not be in immediate danger. I mean, this also happens, but it's not like every time they call a create you're in immediate peril or something 03:03:51 I've watched more than a few people fight more than a few druids 03:04:39 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:06:31 a lot of where I'm coming from is trying to melee druids and dying terribly, because melee means adjacent to them for several turns 03:07:00 You have died repeatedly to them? 03:07:04 (I know now that wands are better vs them) 03:07:23 (Also, is there something wrong with melee being more dangerous than other fairly commonly available options here?) 03:07:59 I've got down to 5 hp from them several times before. dunno how many times I've died 03:08:28 !lg pubby vmsg~~might 03:08:29 No games for pubby (vmsg~~might). 03:08:36 !lg pubby vmsg~~unusual 03:08:36 No games for pubby (vmsg~~unusual). 03:08:43 Does that even show up there? 03:08:49 Apparently not 03:08:56 maybe look at forest deaths? 03:09:04 Wait, in Forest? What? 03:09:10 !lg pubby place=forest s=ckiller 03:09:10 One game for pubby (place=forest): a yak 03:09:17 I'm not sure that's really that directly relevant 03:09:22 !lg pubby place=swamp s=ckiller 03:09:23 5 games for pubby (place=swamp): a large slime creature, an alligator, a hydra, the Lernaean hydra, a thorn hunter 03:09:30 !lg pubby place=swamp s=ckiller cv>=0.14-a 03:09:31 One game for pubby (place=swamp cv>=0.14-a): a thorn hunter 03:09:35 oh no swamp deaths yet 03:09:38 I am fairly sure the druid didn't do that 03:09:50 haste plant! 03:09:55 Well, that's gone :P 03:09:58 pew pew pew 03:10:00 And probably still uninvolved 03:10:21 In any case, druids did get squishier when they moved, lest people not have noticed 03:10:39