00:02:20 Medar: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/minimap.png 00:02:30 for minimap colors? 00:04:35 Thanks. I'll look tomorrow 00:04:37 MarvinPA, for your convenience if you're looking through the item values thing later, http://sprunge.us/KKIh 00:04:59 aha nice 00:05:19 Can you psstebin (or something) the options? 00:06:22 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2681-ga90a651 (34) 00:06:28 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2681-ga90a651 (34) 00:06:35 medar: http://pastie.org/8741068 00:06:58 dunno if you want to go all hexadecimal on it 00:08:20 !tell dracoomega did you have anything else planned for the summon_spells branch? if not (or even if so i guess) it could probably be merged 00:08:20 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let dracoomega know. 00:09:23 (todo: get back to balancing things out for a potential 0.14 release) 00:11:24 ontoclasm: thanks, hex is fine (imo) 00:11:48 never release, never surrender 00:12:55 trunk eternally 00:13:03 %git 00:13:04 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-2681-ga90a651: Remove the Bargain card 10(5 hours ago, 8 files, 13+ 37-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a90a651d8c0a 00:13:17 almost there! 00:13:31 (the arbitrary mark is 3000 right) 00:13:40 Closer to 3200 or so <_< 00:13:41 i thought the arbitrary mark was ~6 months 00:13:43 %git 0.13-b1^ 00:13:44 07kilobyte02 {Grunt} * 0.13-a0-3167-g10b3f51: Changelog for 0.12.3 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 22+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=10b3f5141bad 00:13:47 %git 0.12-b1^ 00:13:47 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-3213-g7938f4a: Fix +Blink randart property not being identified on equip 10(11 months ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7938f4afc1f8 00:13:50 %git 0.11-b1^ 00:13:50 07Grunt02 * 0.11-a0-3208-g6835b8b: Denzi's sixfirhy, silent spectre, and seraph tiles (#6057). 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 4 files, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6835b8b476b8 00:13:57 %git 0.10-b1^ 00:13:57 07kilobyte02 * 0.10-a0-3216-ge6c29e3: Properly clean up gone monsters in the Abyss. 10(2 years, 1 month ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6c29e3fd99e 00:14:02 (to wit) 00:14:16 wow it really all is very close to there 00:16:20 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:18:36 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2681-ga90a651 (34) 00:18:40 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:23 one day i'll add a duration and not forget to add it to the hardcoded list of duration names in wiz-you.cc (that just exists for that one wizmode command???) 00:22:31 but that day is not today 00:23:11 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:33 oh hey speaking of which 00:23:43 i forgot to remove a duration from the hardcoded list of duration names in wiz-you.cc 00:24:01 maybe it's possible to check that compile time? 00:24:24 some list lenghts are at least 00:25:02 it fails at compile time yeah, this is just for something local 00:25:28 oh it does already, good 00:27:57 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:46 -!- Superterranean has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:29:49 -!- Boyo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:30:48 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2682-g5763165: Add some missing TAG_MAJOR_VERSION checks for removed durations 10(73 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=576316504f58 00:34:16 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:15 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:37:20 -!- Ataraxzy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:39:06 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:42:13 -!- Hellioning has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:46:51 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:47:02 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2682-g5763165 00:47:57 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:52:46 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:59:02 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:13 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:41 -!- whig is now known as summoner[2 01:06:48 whoops 01:06:51 -!- summoner[2 is now known as whig 01:08:25 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:08:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:09:26 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:09:29 -!- Sequel has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:31 -!- Sequel has left ##crawl-dev 01:09:46 -!- whig has quit [] 01:14:07 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:14:21 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:15:37 rip bargain 01:15:40 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:16:24 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16:46 -!- popsofctown has quit [] 01:17:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:22:00 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:25:42 rip a bad card 01:27:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:30:03 fr: the lotus card 01:30:14 ??elixir card 01:30:14 elixir card[1/2]: By card power, 0: 50/50 heal wounds effect / regeneration. 1: If your hp is lower than half, then full heal and full mana drain. Otherwise, do card power 0 instead. 2: Full heal, full mana fill. Found in war, changes, defense. 01:30:25 gives you mana, close enough 01:31:35 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:42 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:41:12 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:43:44 -!- jeffro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:58 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:17 -!- Borek is now known as Mandevil 01:52:47 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Quit: Drowning in a sea of anguish] 01:54:14 -!- flowsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:02:14 -!- Bovinius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:03:37 !killratio asterion 02:03:39 asterion wins 1.379% of battles. 02:04:09 !killratio edmund 02:04:12 edmund wins 4.534% of battles. 02:04:16 !killratio frances 02:04:18 frances wins 0.488% of battles. 02:04:24 !killratio wiglaf 02:04:26 wiglaf wins 1.829% of battles. 02:10:05 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:10:30 -!- gbeene is now known as gbeeneAFK 02:14:14 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:38 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:16:10 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:17 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2682-g5763165 (34) 02:27:25 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 02:38:02 !killratio natasha 02:38:03 natasha wins 3.308% of battles. 02:38:07 !killratio boris 02:38:09 boris wins 2.401% of battles. 02:39:00 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: untiss] 02:55:27 is there a !nick for uniques? 02:55:47 then you could do a !killratio @uniques s=name (or something, right?) 02:55:59 hm 02:56:09 or maybe I'm not thinking it through correctly 02:58:35 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:03:57 !killratio @uniques 03:03:59 No battles for @uniques. 03:04:16 not sure where you can see the definitions of those lists 03:08:45 !kw @mfc 03:08:45 Built-in: @mfc => name=256|advil|apoch|buddharebellion|burningbeard|curiousnu|dbaker84|demiurge|docholladay|flatluigi|fleacircus|friscobowie|gami|greynaab|hammerdwarf|helicomatic|inkoate|jerbear56|jigsaw|jinxplayer|johnstein|kaibutsu|katrel|keeo|kimtruck|laceratedsky|mrbismarck|murphyslaw|neckro23|odiv|omnomnominous|porpoise|rolandofeld|shmup|slitherrr|thenoid|tkappleton|toomuchpete|xqwzts|zoltan2... 03:09:04 but @uniques isn't set up 03:09:21 i don't think it'd work anyway 03:09:30 i mean, it definitely wouldn't 03:10:41 yea. I was liking how the idea started out, but I'm not sequell-literate enough to know where the Feasibility Line is 03:19:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:20:04 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:28:33 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:30:24 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:30:55 -!- tgcid has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:34:04 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:04 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 03:34:04 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 03:35:00 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 03:40:03 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:41:11 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:44:25 -!- Ataraxzy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:44:46 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:46:30 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:43 -!- hyperbowl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:53:11 Monsters Have no forced delay between uses of Deaths door by Grandiloquent Gentleman 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do anything 14:26:59 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:27:10 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 14:28:32 Quite possibly outdated? 14:36:34 -!- bh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:56 -!- bh_ is now known as bh 14:37:30 Vs still feels a bit on the powerful side, but I think it's a huge improvement over where it began 14:38:53 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:01 did you like your sabre bh 14:41:13 dck: yes. It's a good fixedart 14:41:22 ??captain's cutlass 14:41:22 captain's cutlass[1/1]: An unrandart +5,+10 cutlass of speed. Before 0.14, had a custom base weapon: Dam 9, Acc +3, Delay 12, with an enchantment of +6,+7. Minimum delay is reached at the same point as a cutlass. 14:41:38 TZer0: Hmm, looks like ! is doing something (switching the view)? 14:41:54 ??cutlass 14:41:55 cutlass[1/1]: A short blade with 7 base damage, 4 accuracy, attack delay 12. Special-cased to have a minimum delay of 5. Was named sabre before 0.14. 14:42:35 it's almost as good as a trog gift that someone got! 14:42:55 it's almost as good as a good trog quickblade! 14:43:24 that thing changes so much 14:44:05 TedronaiSDC (L20 GhHu) (Vaults:4) 14:44:22 hm. I wonder if it would be worth adding a barter shop to crawl 14:44:41 A trove-like shop where each item has an item cost 14:44:44 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:44:57 Keskitalo: it seems like it does nothing I think? 14:44:57 -!- Escalator_ is now known as Escalator 14:45:27 also, derp, I can't launch tutorial if I have a save. 14:45:36 bh: i'll give you 20 gold for those 20 chunks of orc meat 14:46:11 TZer0: Is that online? 14:46:32 "a - 12 grapes Autumn Katana" 14:46:56 Keskitalo: yeah 14:46:58 in trunk 14:47:52 that is probably something like what would happen 14:48:03 trade the orb of zot for sword of jihad; come on, look at how enchanted it is 14:48:18 bh: i feel like it would have to be in a portal to avoid encouraging scumming to get the cost, at any rate 14:48:26 TZer0: Yeah, I started a 0.13 game (since I indeed can't play tutorial in the trunk since I have a save, and there ! in the m does nothing 14:48:47 I have a debug build though fresh off trunk, where ! does work, interesting 14:48:49 wheals: yeah, and then we're just have a bad version of troves 14:48:59 %s/'re// 14:49:14 TZer0: Could you file a BR? 14:49:29 well, it would be like a trove except that you can choose to not pay for the bad stuff 14:49:49 Keskitalo: Sure! 14:49:50 doesn't sound too bad to me, though still pretty similar 14:50:13 TZer0: Thanks! 14:52:22 -!- Deep has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:54:01 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:55:11 Keskitalo: done. 14:55:42 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8102 14:55:44 O_o 14:55:48 weird, isn't this normal? 14:56:48 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:59:28 Wrong description in skill-training menu in tutorial by TZer0 14:59:43 TZer0: I think there's just one entrance to the Dungeon now 14:59:57 and if that isn't the case, then it'd still be odd that it isn't three entrances 15:00:07 Exactly.. 15:00:15 hmm 15:00:59 It's supposed to be one entrance now 15:01:20 Medar: oh. okay. 15:01:22 :S 15:05:25 flaming corpse (05z) | Spd: 12 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 12/13 | Dam: 2004(napalm) | 07undead, evil, sense invisible | Res: 06magic(42), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 613 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 15:05:25 %??flaming corpse 15:07:21 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:08:36 -!- nrook has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:36 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Client Quit] 15:14:19 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:15:37 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:30:46 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:44:37 -!- nixor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:45:02 Mark monsters that become unseen in LOS with unseen monster indicator. by gammafunk 15:45:20 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:43 !tell |amethyst Would appreciate any comments you might have about this issue in 8173; no patch as of yet, but planning to make one 15:46:43 gammafunk: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 15:47:26 -!- scummos| has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 15:47:58 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:48:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:49:10 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:33 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:04 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:53:21 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:28 -!- falu has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:55:53 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 15:56:59 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:58:23 "The elder of a pair of brothers who came for the Orb. No one knows what Sigmund saw in the dungeon to drive him mad, but his shrewd magical tactics and wicked scythe now leave little time for his victims to wonder." 15:58:24 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:51 That "but his shrewd magical tactics and wicked scythe now leave little time for his victims to wonder." doesn't need that "now". 16:02:32 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 16:05:26 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:54 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:07 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:12:36 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:53 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- *I* use it, so it must be good!] 16:17:41 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:21:38 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:46 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:10 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 16:33:34 -!- sstrickl has quit [Client Quit] 16:36:22 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:37:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:23 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:02 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:47:52 -!- nrook has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:49:07 -!- _fred has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:49:59 -!- Adder__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:53:02 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:26 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 17:00:50 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:02:45 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:55 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:10:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:12:58 -!- jeffro_ is now known as jeffro 17:12:58 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 17:12:59 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:50 -!- hhkb has quit [Quit: bye] 17:16:05 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:18:16 -!- tkappleton1 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:19:55 -!- hhkb has quit [Client Quit] 17:25:01 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:13 -!- jarpiain_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:26:40 -!- jarpiain has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:04 -!- jarpiain is now known as Guest17836 17:31:10 I wonder if ice could show one tile behind it. 17:32:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:03 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:45:05 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:45:58 -!- tupper_ is now known as tupper 17:48:56 -!- Ipsum has quit [Quit: Changing server] 17:49:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:53:56 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:58:17 !tell grunt is there a reason that crystal guardians can't be antimagic'd while egolems can? also, crystal bolt didn't show up in xv 17:58:17 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 17:59:38 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:52 -!- darktwinge is now known as Twinge 18:12:02 oh that's interesting 18:12:09 unknown monster: "crystal_guardian" 18:12:09 %??crystal_guardian 18:12:28 what monster flags do they have 18:12:35 M_ACTUAL_SPELLS? 18:12:49 dunno, didn't check 18:12:54 or is it a monster ability 18:12:59 crystal guardian (038) | Spd: 7 | HD: 13 | HP: 102-133 | AC/EV: 22/3 | Dam: 40 | 11non-living, 10doors, see invisible, !sil, 07vault | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 901 | Sp: b.fire (3d22), b.cold (3d22) | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 18:12:59 %??crystal guardian 18:13:04 ah, that's old 18:13:50 M_SEE_INVIS | M_SPEAKS | M_ARTIFICIAL, 18:14:01 -!- robbje has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:14:01 so no "actual spells" 18:14:05 hence no xv 18:14:13 and I suppose that also affects anti-magic 18:14:27 I guess it depends on whether you think it's an innate ability or a spell 18:14:43 probably it should be a spell though 18:14:55 and hence give them M_ACTUAL_SPELLS 18:15:04 i feel like either way it should be the same as egolems 18:15:13 electric golem (118) | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 119-150 | AC/EV: 5/20 | Dam: 1511(elec:15-21), 1511(elec:15-21), 15, 15 | 11non-living, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 3776 | Sp: b.lightning (3d20), blink | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 18:15:13 %??electric_golem 18:15:30 ah sorry 18:15:34 it's just M_SPELLCASTER 18:15:35 that they'd need 18:15:49 yeah, egolems have that 18:15:51 M_SPELLCASTER | M_SEE_INVIS | M_INSUBSTANTIAL | M_GLOWS_LIGHT | M_SPEAKS 18:15:57 I forget what exactly M_ACTUAL_SPELLS does 18:16:05 probably trog hatred 18:16:16 that's spellcaster iirc 18:16:25 oh ok 18:16:31 it's ability to be silenced i think 18:18:10 doesn't look like it 18:18:18 honestly it seems to only have a polymorph message affect 18:18:39 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:51 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10433 | Sp: ice storm (10d13), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range / ice storm (10d14), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 18:18:51 %??lom lobon 18:19:08 why do his spell lists have ice storms with differing damage 18:19:18 G-Flex: Depends on HD probably. 18:19:20 in fact, that seems like the only difference? 18:19:23 huh 18:19:31 it's a bug 18:19:34 it's a bug with %?? 18:19:34 it's the same monster, the HD doesn't differ 18:19:37 oh 18:19:45 it only seems to happen with certain monsters though 18:19:46 the damage is really 10d13.5 18:19:53 is it really 18:19:57 it has to do with the spells 18:20:10 well, yes, obviously it has to do with the spells 18:20:14 i think it always happens with ice storm and fire storm, don't know what else 18:20:25 hrm 18:20:34 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 34-63 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | !sil | Res: 06magic(25) | XP: 240 | Sp: fire storm (8d14) / fire storm (8d15) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 18:20:34 %??rat hd:19 spells:fire_storm 18:20:41 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 8-26 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | !sil | Res: 06magic(9) | XP: 20 | Sp: fire storm (8d5) / fire storm (8d6) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 18:20:41 %??rat hd:7 spells:fire_storm 18:20:46 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 1-4 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | !sil | Res: 06magic(1) | XP: 1 | Sp: fire storm (8d1) / fire storm (8d2) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 18:20:46 %??rat spells:fire_storm 18:20:58 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 2-8 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | !sil | Res: 06magic(2) | XP: 1 | Sp: fire storm (8d2) / fire storm (8d3) | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 18:20:58 %??rat hd:2 spells:fire_storm 18:21:11 yeah I was confused because the test is done under mons->is_actual_spellcaster() 18:22:03 it gives monsters greater magic school skill if they have it 18:22:05 for one 18:22:13 kind of like how M_FIGHTER works 18:23:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:23:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:20 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:22 ...huh 18:26:27 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:27:21 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:41:24 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:56 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:45:18 -!- robbje has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:45:42 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: bbl] 18:57:30 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2683-g0655ea8: Update card lists in deck descriptions (#8169) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0655ea8bfd91 19:00:39 TSO is threatening me with putting me under penance if I attack my ball lightning. 19:00:43 I this normal. 19:00:45 *s 19:01:18 -!- erratic_magenta has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:01:50 -!- Deep has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:02:06 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:04:57 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:06:56 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:08:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:10:04 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:18:14 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:19 -!- Ataraxzy has quit [Client Quit] 19:18:26 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:21 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:25:51 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:35 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:51 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:31:03 -!- lion has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:33:11 -!- reaverb1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:34:22 kinda surprised that ball lightnings aren't like ood and made to be un-meleeable 19:36:11 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36:27 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:56 -!- Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:48:38 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:49:23 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:50:12 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:26 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:02:47 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:03:40 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 20:09:21 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:32 gammafunk: it might not have been melee, sometimes people want to magic dart them to detonate 20:11:18 nonethousand: yeah, I looked at it and there's a special check in fight_melee that prevents the player from meleeing an OOD unless the player is confused 20:11:56 as far as ranged attacks they're probably the same 20:13:17 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:13:54 but yeah Iguess the issue is that TSO shouldn't care 20:14:30 yeah 20:14:49 oh, ok, you get the warning, but TSO doesn't actually place under pennance 20:14:55 dck: can you mantis that if you haven't already? 20:15:02 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:15:12 I kinda recall someone had reported this, but I'm not sure 20:15:17 sure 20:15:37 severity 20:15:40 major 20:16:07 Most Severe! Danger!!! 20:16:46 -!- Shade_Tornado has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:17:18 i put 8148 on major severity 20:18:07 Dummy Monster throws ghostly flame at NONEXISTENT FOE. 20:18:54 !bug 8148 20:18:54 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8148 20:19:05 heh 20:19:16 should have 8148 memorized imo :P 20:19:33 wow, like I should memorize his entire patch? 20:19:39 sigh, gonna be a long night... 20:20:03 well if not ~commit~ to memory... 20:20:18 maybe we could just apply the patch 20:21:11 I'd make a build with it but I'm kind of afraid; some say Dj are cursed... 20:22:39 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:18 !learn add twitchplayspokemon An example of a massive crowd randomly shouting for delayed decision-making, leading the crowd to hate itself, dissolve into silly memes, and generally continuously screwing itself over. See: listening to Crawl communities. 20:27:18 tenofswords: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:27:18 twitchplayspokemon[1/1]: An example of a massive crowd randomly shouting for delayed decision-making, leading the crowd to hate itself, dissolve into silly memes, and generally continuously screwing itself over. See: listening to Crawl communities. 20:27:27 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 20:29:02 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:29:10 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all!] 20:30:04 -!- chewymouse has quit [Client Quit] 20:30:24 thanks, that will be very helpful in the future 20:30:37 fr: invocable helix fossil 20:30:51 evokable * 20:30:58 can that entry truly survive top_deleters? 20:31:17 1learn add rngplayspokemon see {crawl_development} 20:31:22 no, I am just arbitrary bitter at the moment 20:31:51 i,i twitchplayscrawl/nethack/rogue 20:32:05 does twitchplay refer to twitch.tv chat rooms? 20:32:25 which I understand make the chaos of webtiles chat seem positively serene in comparison 20:32:42 it is an extended metaphor regarding a recent extended joke/experiment 20:33:34 Warning about penance causing attacks. by dck 20:33:37 a very mysterious answer... 20:33:59 just look it up 20:36:58 -!- phyphor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:39:47 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:40:15 ...wow 20:40:36 and I didn't really understand any of gibber-jabber 20:44:19 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:51:19 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: *nonja vanish~!*] 20:51:53 !learn del twitchplayspokemon 20:51:53 Deleted twitchplayspokemon[1/1]: An example of a massive crowd randomly shouting for delayed decision-making, leading the crowd to hate itself, dissolve into silly memes, and generally continuously screwing itself over. See: listening to Crawl communities. 20:52:42 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 20:54:34 -!- jday_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:54:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:59:33 -!- vede has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:01:39 didn't last 30 minutes...rip 21:02:38 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.3] 21:06:06 (I would be more serious about learndb except the bloody html page hasn't been updated in forever) 21:06:41 i'm kind of tempted now to make an account with that exact premise 21:06:59 or just run locally/whatever 21:07:58 would you disable o and tab 21:08:22 tab maybe 21:09:21 can you die in pokemon? I just imagine the crawl version never making it past d:5 or something 21:09:55 no, when your party is wiped you get teleported back to the last pokecenter 21:09:58 and lose some money 21:10:16 as the main rng stream found out, though, it's possible to release basically every pokemon and be completely stuck though 21:10:31 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:32 yeah, i do not picture any roguelike doing very well at all 21:10:52 unless there were only 1-3 people controlling it 21:11:06 ??multirobin 21:11:06 multirobin[1/5]: Like other *robin accounts, you share it with other players. Unlike other *robin accounts, they're logged in at the same time you are. In fact, all keypresses are shared! See multirobin[2] for setup/login details. See multirobin[3] for something awesome. 21:11:08 -!- erratic_magenta has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:11:20 ah 21:11:25 ?? multirobin[3] 21:11:25 multirobin[3/5]: Holy shit, you can play multirobin in your browser! http://eronarn.info/multirobin/ ha ha ha just kidding you can't 21:11:42 (dead for a long time) 21:14:35 tenofswords: this html page gets updated very frequently https://loom.shalott.org/learndb.html 21:14:48 -!- exant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:15:20 ...huh 21:16:17 the script to update the other one is broken, I think it's being poked at 21:16:53 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:17:19 i tried to play multirobin with vizer once, it was pretty hard 21:18:26 tenofswords: crystal guardians can't be antimagic'd, is this intentional? 21:18:34 i expected them to be like egolems 21:18:41 well, uh 21:19:05 it's weird in a sense that egolems can be antimagic'd but I would not oppose giving guardians said status 21:19:12 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:23:42 -!- Twinge has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:24:09 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2684-gd9d4033: Don't try to flush messages if the connection is closed. 10(80 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9d4033417ed 21:24:09 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2685-gfd03bf8: Fix player being sent WebTiles options twice. 10(56 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fd03bf8644ca 21:24:09 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2686-g4b556a2: Don't hide_dialog when calling set_ui_state for the first time. 10(46 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4b556a2e6122 21:24:09 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2687-gdeceb63: Fix reading -print-webtiles-options output. 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=deceb63ae733 21:27:08 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 21:29:14 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 21:31:37 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:32:37 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:19 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:01 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:32 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:35:46 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:39:26 03wheals02 {MarvinPA} 07* 0.14-a0-2688-gb71fec4: Remove lemures. 10(2 days ago, 18 files, 10+ 70-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b71fec48c3f4 21:39:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2689-gcdba4ae: Remove a leftover reference to lava fish 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cdba4ae194fe 21:39:26 03wheals02 {MarvinPA} 07* 0.14-a0-2690-gd0153d9: Remove jellyfish. 10(28 hours ago, 19 files, 8+ 80-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0153d94fbf0 21:39:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2691-g997c442: Adjust some Zig entry vaults 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=997c442b5a23 21:40:21 MarvinPA: good vault removal. 21:40:44 (I meant to do that at some point >_>) 21:41:07 -!- lavos2 is now known as lavos 21:41:20 -#lava_fish CORPSE_LAVA_FISH 21:41:29 from... tornado? 21:41:31 lava orc!!! 21:41:38 oh right 21:41:53 actually the corpses must be destroyed as soon as they drop into lava 21:41:55 so i guess not 21:42:03 maybe teleportation?? 21:42:25 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:43:00 pretty sure that teleporting liquid monsters always puts liquid monsters into liquids 21:43:14 it could teleport into a fountain, maybe 21:43:39 counts as a liquid 21:43:51 also no lava fountains 21:44:23 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:44:28 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:44:55 ?/flops 21:44:55 Matching entries (2): fedhas_reasons[4]: The kraken flops around on dry land! | the_saddest_thing[2]: The shark flops around on dry land! 21:45:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:45:15 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:45:18 maybe water card can turn lava into water 21:46:06 -!- nixor1 has quit [Client Quit] 21:46:31 lava fish (05;) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 13-31 | AC/EV: 4/15 | Dam: 1004(fire:4-7) | Res: 06magic(16), 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold | XP: 60 | Sz: little | Int: reptile. 21:46:31 %?lava fish 21:46:42 I am not sure if it'd instantly drown 21:49:08 ball lightning (11*) | Spd: 20 | HD: 12 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 5 | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind, 04napalm | XP: 752 | Sz: little | Int: plant. 21:49:08 %??ball_lightning 21:49:22 Dam: 5 21:49:37 giant spore (03*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 1 | 03plant, lev | Res: 06magic(4), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: plant. 21:49:37 %??giant spore 21:49:45 huh 21:49:48 They are worth exp 21:49:50 good rDrown 21:50:13 non-alive things are rDrown 21:50:22 ...errrr, "nonliving" 21:50:22 challenge: get ktyp=mon from a ball lightning 21:50:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:50:52 !lg * ckiller=ball_lightning s=ktyp 21:50:53 286 games for * (ckiller=ball_lightning): 274x spore, 12x beam 21:50:56 12x beam 21:50:58 :| 21:51:00 play the secret electricdjinn race with rElec+++ 21:51:11 !lg * ckiller=ball_lightning ktyp=beam 21:51:11 12. zid the Thaumaturge (L14 SpVM of Sif Muna), blasted by a ball lightning (bolt of lightning) on D:13 on 2009-05-09 00:36:32, with 49019 points after 37197 turns and 4:51:22. 21:51:12 Grunt: back when they had lbolt i guess? 21:51:26 but before they bugged out to never use it 21:51:29 !lg * ckiller=ball_lightning s=kaux 21:51:30 286 games for * (ckiller=ball_lightning): 228x, 45x set off by their pet, 10x set off by themselves, 2x bolt of lightning, set off by themself 21:52:30 !lg * ckiller=ball_lightning ktyp=beam s=kaux 21:52:37 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:52:51 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:59 -!- Sequell has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:06 -!- greensnark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:10 -!- varmin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:25 Grunt: 10x, 2x bolt of lightning 21:53:53 since kaux was not always tracked 21:54:08 Right. 21:56:36 -!- Hailley has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:56:54 -!- Ataraxzy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:41 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:48 !bug 8174 21:59:59 sequell be dead 22:00:07 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8174 22:00:24 Medar: I think you worked on this issue; I made a patch to fix it and another related issue I discovered 22:00:37 by issue I mean the penance warning patch Basil did iirc 22:00:38 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:02:38 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:03:19 gfunk are you ruining fun as you usually do 22:03:38 oh sorry, penance warnings for ball lightning is fun? 22:03:53 just checking, just checking 22:04:30 could have slipped in a VS nerf if I were only thinking straight today, but... 22:05:27 do not upset the carefully designed balance gfunk 22:05:28 new TSO conduct: you cannot attack with VS bite to the NE unless wearing troll leather armour 22:05:57 -!- Ruffell has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:06:08 but not if wearing moon troll leather armour 22:06:09 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:24 !lg * fo 22:06:26 !lg * lo 22:06:33 sequell is down 22:06:37 durr 22:06:58 I'm wondering if we should cut LO 22:07:04 !tell sequell Wakey wakey eggs and bakey 22:07:10 oh, does Sequell get milestone data over http? 22:08:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:10:22 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 22:10:32 there's the man himself 22:10:39 gammafunk: I'll check that tomorrow (hopefully), if no-one beats me to it. Seems good though. 22:11:13 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:11:35 Medar: ok, consider changing VS in some weird way in the same commit if you merge it, since dck said he'd love that 22:11:58 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:04 make them half undead half nonliving 22:12:06 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:08 and give them EP 22:12:12 dang 22:12:57 -!- Tarragon has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:35 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:08 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:14:16 bh: 49/14196 games for * (Fo) and 179/21305 games for * (LO) 22:14:35 I dunno if thats what you wanted to know but that's what I queried a few hours ago 22:14:37 thanks buppybot 22:14:55 I'm curious about how much play they've seen recently 22:15:17 !lg * start>2014 lo 22:15:18 5069. bubnilka the Shield-Bearer (L7 LOFi of Okawaru), engulfed by a cloud of foul pestilence on D:5 on 2014-02-18 03:54:50, with 838 points after 4838 turns and 0:35:38. 22:15:19 !lg * start>2014 fo 22:15:20 6491. Tory the Fighter (L13 FoFi of Dithmenos), blasted by Arielle's ghost (fireball) on D:10 on 2014-02-18 03:52:48, with 23200 points after 21280 turns and 1:21:44. 22:15:32 hmm 22:15:57 bh, any specific numbers you'd prefer for VS bite? 22:16:05 !lg * start>2014 s=species 22:16:06 131326 games for * (start>2014): 14313x Demonspawn, 9287x Minotaur, 8017x Gargoyle, 7542x Deep Elf, 7086x Octopode, 6646x Spriggan, 6491x Formicid, 6074x Djinni, 5383x High Elf, 5086x Draconian, 5069x Lava Orc, 4056x Vine Stalker, 3777x Tengu, 3775x Merfolk, 3765x Kobold, 3660x Troll, 3603x Hill Orc, 3544x Vampire, 3366x Felid, 3146x Human, 3100x Ogre, 2727x Naga, 2724x Mummy, 2086x Demigod, 1566x... 22:16:12 -!- Tarragon is now known as Basil 22:16:26 !lg * start>2014 s=-species 22:16:26 131329 games for * (start>2014): 20x Sludge Elf, 155x Pale Draconian, 172x Green Draconian, 173x Mottled Draconian, 173x White Draconian, 176x Red Draconian, 186x Black Draconian, 192x Yellow Draconian, 200x Purple Draconian, 205x Grey Draconian, 973x Ghoul, 1315x Halfling, 1497x Centaur, 1566x Deep Dwarf, 2086x Demigod, 2724x Mummy, 2727x Naga, 3100x Ogre, 3146x Human, 3366x Felid, 3544x Vampire,... 22:16:29 heh, funny how many people did play Dj in the end 22:16:36 !lg * start>2014 s=crace 22:16:37 131329 games for * (start>2014): 14313x Demonspawn, 9287x Minotaur, 8017x Gargoyle, 7542x Deep Elf, 7087x Octopode, 6718x Draconian, 6646x Spriggan, 6491x Formicid, 6076x Djinni, 5383x High Elf, 5069x Lava Orc, 4056x Vine Stalker, 3777x Tengu, 3775x Merfolk, 3765x Kobold, 3660x Troll, 3603x Hill Orc, 3544x Vampire, 3366x Felid, 3146x Human, 3100x Ogre, 2727x Naga, 2724x Mummy, 2086x Demigod, 1566x... 22:16:39 !lg * start>2014 s=-crace 22:16:40 131329 games for * (start>2014): 20x Sludge Elf, 973x Ghoul, 1315x Halfling, 1497x Centaur, 1566x Deep Dwarf, 2086x Demigod, 2724x Mummy, 2727x Naga, 3100x Ogre, 3146x Human, 3366x Felid, 3544x Vampire, 3603x Hill Orc, 3660x Troll, 3765x Kobold, 3775x Merfolk, 3777x Tengu, 4056x Vine Stalker, 5069x Lava Orc, 5383x High Elf, 6076x Djinni, 6491x Formicid, 6646x Spriggan, 6718x Draconian, 7087x Octop... 22:16:53 you should really do !boring for all these queries 22:16:59 wow. Why is Ds so popular? 22:17:04 i guess.. 22:17:06 Randmuts are fun 22:17:06 bh: they always have been 22:17:10 Ds is always popular, yeah 22:17:11 !lg * start>2014 s=crace !boring 22:17:12 116713 games for * (start>2014 !boring): 11971x Demonspawn, 8541x Minotaur, 7322x Gargoyle, 7042x Deep Elf, 6327x Octopode, 5985x Draconian, 5545x Formicid, 5505x Spriggan, 5396x Djinni, 4990x High Elf, 4351x Lava Orc, 3655x Vine Stalker, 3484x Merfolk, 3468x Tengu, 3461x Kobold, 3330x Vampire, 3311x Troll, 3269x Hill Orc, 2975x Felid, 2862x Ogre, 2769x Human, 2526x Naga, 2401x Mummy, 1557x Demigo... 22:17:26 thoug not by as much if you ignore quits 22:17:26 especially now that you are guaranteed not to get throw frost 22:17:28 what's the command to show total amount of time played for species? 22:17:42 !lg * x=sum(dur) s=race 22:17:44 !lg * start>2014 s=crace x=sum(dur) !boring 22:17:44 !lg * fo x=sum(dur) 22:17:47 2955138 games for *: 318002x Demonspawn [13y+17d+15:39:15], 299350x Deep Elf [13y+156d+5:17:10], 171452x Minotaur [12y+263d+17:06:57], 160406x Spriggan [9y+336d+21:28:07], 156611x High Elf [8y+90d+17:47:48], 144205x Mummy [5y+359d+9:27:19], 127006x Hill Orc [6y+294d+19:48:37], 112050x Merfolk [6y+50d+11:59:05], 108520x Octopode [4y+94d+20:05:51], 105437x Kobold [5y+322d+8:11:24], 102191x Human [4y... 22:17:48 14211 games for * (fo): sum(dur)=215d+1:10:18 22:17:48 116713 games for * (start>2014 !boring): 11971x Demonspawn [215d+13:11:37], 8541x Minotaur [225d+7:33:20], 7322x Gargoyle [202d+1:00:50], 7042x Deep Elf [183d+17:07:31], 6327x Octopode [75d+13:43:21], 5985x Draconian [119d+1:22:43], 5545x Formicid [98d+11:36:50], 5505x Spriggan [122d+8:49:01], 5396x Djinni [71d+17:13:39], 4990x High Elf [99d+11:15:23], 4351x Lava Orc [97d+13:23:40], 3655x Vine Sta... 22:18:00 * Grunt finishes writing up another trunk updates wordpress post. 22:18:02 (wow this is long) 22:18:05 !lg * start>2014 s=crace x=sum(dur) !boring o=sum(dur) 22:18:06 116713 games for * (start>2014 !boring): 8541x Minotaur [225d+7:33:20], 11971x Demonspawn [215d+13:11:37], 7322x Gargoyle [202d+1:00:50], 7042x Deep Elf [183d+17:07:31], 5505x Spriggan [122d+8:49:01], 5985x Draconian [119d+1:22:43], 4990x High Elf [99d+11:15:23], 5545x Formicid [98d+11:36:50], 4351x Lava Orc [97d+13:23:40], 3269x Hill Orc [89d+0:07:08], 3311x Troll [88d+21:57:12], 3655x Vine Stalk... 22:18:14 !lg * start>2014 s=crace x=sum(dur) !boring o=-sum(dur) 22:18:15 116713 games for * (start>2014 !boring): 16x Sludge Elf [10:12:53], 843x Ghoul [15d+9:49:37], 1178x Halfling [26d+6:00:54], 2401x Mummy [36d+1:47:21], 1557x Demigod [43d+4:54:36], 2526x Naga [43d+14:44:37], 2769x Human [45d+10:02:11], 2975x Felid [46d+15:19:12], 1269x Centaur [48d+19:54:13], 1364x Deep Dwarf [56d+12:05:12], 3330x Vampire [56d+15:56:19], 2862x Ogre [59d+0:48:49], 3468x Tengu [61d+1... 22:18:22 For reference, they get 4/5 of a UC strike at xl27 22:18:24 partly also Ds has a lot of games because the start isn't that great 22:18:26 poor ghoul 22:19:20 Basil: it isn't really 4/5 of a UC strike, since they don't bite every 22:19:22 turn 22:19:32 fr: give ghouls EP 22:19:49 (fr remove EP) 22:20:02 give ghouls EP and then remove Gh 22:20:03 why would ghouls have EP 22:20:13 elliptic: can you see Dj going in without massive changes? 22:20:16 no 22:20:25 -!- Ruffell has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:27 does anyone believe to the contrary? 22:20:35 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:20:43 I haven't heard anyone say anything to the contrary recently, at least 22:21:00 elliptic: mmm, forget about that sometimes 22:21:14 !lg * vs won x=avg(dex),avg(str) 22:21:15 70 games for * (vs won): avg(dex)=26.71; avg(str)=22.4 22:21:19 If we make them Humans with EP, I think it would be a huge step in the right direction 22:21:23 !won * vs !boring 22:21:24 * (vs !boring) has won 70 times in 3655 games (1.92%): 12xVSMo 9xVSBe 7xVSAs 4xVSEn 4xVSFE 3xVSAr 3xVSEE 3xVSFi 2xVSAK 2xVSCj 2xVSGl 2xVSNe 2xVSTm 2xVSVM 2xVSWn 2xVSWz 1xVSAE 1xVSAM 1xVSCK 1xVSHe 1xVSHu 1xVSIE 1xVSSk 1xVSSu 1xVSWr 22:21:38 !won * !boring s=crace 22:21:44 bh: it would, but I'm not really sure EP is that interesting anyway 22:21:52 * (!boring) has won 16440 times in 2404408 games (0.68%): 502xMiFi 429xSpEn 426xMiBe 260xDEFE 256xMDFi 176xHOPr 175xKoBe 152xDECj 151xMiGl 149xDDEE 147xGrFi 143xDDNe 140xHOBe 133xCeHu 131xDEWz 131xDsBe 130xHOFi 128xMfGl 117xOgBe 116xDsFi 113xMfCr 111xDDBe 105xHEWz 103xMfIE 99xDrTm 95xTrMo 89xGrBe 87xDsMo 82xHaBe 81xSEEE 79xMDBe 79xOgHu 78xMuWz 76xMuSu 76xNaWz 76xVpEn 74xHEAE 72xDsWz 72xHECj 69xDsN... 22:22:05 I mean, it was an interesting idea in theory, and I'm glad we tried it out with Dj a bit 22:22:16 Too many questions and exceptions? 22:22:20 but I'm not sure it really works that well, independently of the other Dj stuff 22:22:22 bh that has to be done with !lg since it has the s= 22:22:30 !lg * !boring win s=crace 22:22:31 16440 games for * (!boring win): 1513x Minotaur, 1198x Demonspawn, 922x Spriggan, 911x Hill Orc, 837x Deep Elf, 773x Merfolk, 746x Deep Dwarf, 694x High Elf, 637x Draconian, 597x Naga, 553x Kobold, 545x Troll, 542x Mountain Dwarf, 535x Ogre, 509x Gargoyle, 509x Centaur, 491x Mummy, 475x Halfling, 454x Human, 415x Demigod, 371x Sludge Elf, 350x Vampire, 312x Felid, 309x Octopode, 296x Ghoul, 291x T... 22:22:38 !boring win 22:22:47 oops 22:22:49 There was a suggestion on tavern relating to simplifying EP to "if you have insufficient MP, cast from HP with possibly other side effects"; this would obviously be part of something other than a race. 22:23:02 mmm, adom style 22:23:05 sounds like sublimation of blood. 22:23:09 !lg * year(end)=2014 !boring s=crace / won o=% 22:23:15 741/117420 games for * (year(end)=2014 !boring): 32/1379x Deep Dwarf [2.32%], 70/3655x Vine Stalker [1.92%], 19/1283x Centaur [1.48%], 44/3292x Hill Orc [1.34%], 18/1568x Demigod [1.15%], 76/7382x Gargoyle [1.03%], 27/2875x Ogre [0.94%], 72/8619x Minotaur [0.84%], 7/846x Ghoul [0.83%], 18/2538x Naga [0.71%], 8/1190x Halfling [0.67%], 23/3489x Tengu [0.66%], 34/5538x Spriggan [0.61%], 20/3332x Trol... 22:23:21 Well, yes. 22:23:41 Vs has significantly improved from when it first dropped 22:23:43 the winrate for VS really isn't that excessive IMO, I'm not sure they need any nerfs 22:23:48 the god thing I'm working on splits spell cost between HP and MP 22:23:49 EP is like wearing guardian spirit with the exception of being able to cast even when you're terrible with MP management 22:23:52 it's fine if it is on the strong side in 0.14 22:24:03 I think EP would work well on a -3 or -4 hp race, with 1:1 mp costs. I wanted to see it on VS since they have something similar 22:24:16 !lg * oghu v=0.13 22:24:17 No games for * (oghu v=0.13). 22:24:25 !lg * vs name!=dck /won 22:24:25 54/3989 games for * (vs name!=dck): N=54/3989 (1.35%) 22:24:35 (I figure if I type in a command incorrectly, someone will just type the right command for me) 22:24:50 Basil: yeah, and trunk species generally have higher winrates anyway 22:24:51 !lg * oghu cv=0.13 22:24:53 788. jcd the Chucker (L2 OgHu), slain by a giant gecko on D:1 on 2014-02-16 18:41:27, with 29 points after 199 turns and 0:01:14. 22:25:04 !lg * oghu cv=0.13 /won 22:25:05 7/788 games for * (oghu cv=0.13): N=7/788 (0.89%) 22:25:06 generally, v= is useless :P 22:25:07 !lg * oghu cv=0.13 /won !boring 22:25:07 (since dck is getting greatervs) 22:25:08 7/788 games for * (oghu cv=0.13): N=7/788 (0.89%) 22:25:10 because they tend to get a lot of play and wins by experienced players who want to get it won 22:25:11 !lg * oghu cv=0.14 /won !boring 22:25:12 No games for * (oghu cv=0.14). 22:25:16 !lg * oghu cv=0.12 /won !boring 22:25:17 7/546 games for * (oghu cv=0.12): N=7/546 (1.28%) 22:25:38 want cv=0.14-a 22:25:49 !lg * oghu 0.14-a !boring / won 22:25:50 12/1796 games for * (oghu 0.14-a !boring): N=12/1796 (0.67%) 22:25:55 So gotta get that VS->Vi change in before stable release 22:25:56 you can also skip the cv 22:26:41 oh, you're gonna do that Basil? 22:26:45 hooray 22:26:49 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:27:38 VS->Vi is a bad idea IMO 22:28:23 with so many games already completed 22:28:42 rip ViNe 22:29:09 also for consistency, all twoword names use the initials 22:29:13 yeah I guess pragmatism should prevail 22:29:19 unless they get renamed vinestalkers 22:29:27 yeah I think that would have been the plan 22:29:35 vinedude 22:29:36 but even then you could argue for VS? 22:29:46 * bh eyeroll 22:30:20 !send bh a pack of golden eyes 22:30:21 Sending a pack of golden eyes to bh. 22:31:02 There's this hilarious Abyss death. I think it was Spectrina. She stumbles into a pack of golden eyes for no good reason, gets confused, does nothing to remedy the situation, and then gets ganked by an abom 22:31:22 !lg spectrina abyss status=confused 22:31:23 1. Spectrina the Spry (L19 MfWr of Nemelex Xobeh), mangled by a large abomination on Abyss:2 on 2013-09-18 05:07:49, with 208844 points after 24096 turns and 7:54:42. 22:31:25 !lg spectrina abyss status=confused -tv 22:31:25 dying to golden eyes in abyss isn't that unusual 22:31:26 1. Spectrina, XL19 MfWr, T:24096 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 22:31:38 sounds like something she'd do 22:31:42 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:43 was she burdened? let's see 22:31:45 Yes. 22:31:49 !lg zermako place=abyss status=~conf 22:31:50 1. Zermako the Skirmisher (L1 DsAK of Lugonu), slain by a vampire on Abyss:1 on 2013-02-25 15:53:55, with 20 points after 27 turns and 0:00:12. 22:31:50 haha 22:31:55 also very hungry 22:32:01 !lg * place=abyss status=~conf 22:32:02 680. Rikal the Skirmisher (L1 MfAK of Lugonu), mangled by an apocalypse crab on Abyss:1 on 2014-02-17 00:34:16, with 0 points after 85 turns and 0:00:46. 22:32:04 +1 trident 22:32:35 !lg * killer=raiju 22:32:36 197. TheFistinFist the Brawler (L17 TrMo of The Shining One), blasted by a raiju (living lightning) on Abyss:1 on 2014-02-17 17:57:16, with 186042 points after 35570 turns and 5:18:04. 22:32:38 I guess no !curing 22:32:47 nope. She had 7 22:33:36 huh, must have just gotten bored or something 22:33:53 if your MR is bad and multiple golden eyes are in sight then it is quite possible to run out of curing 22:34:51 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:35:08 -!- rast- has quit [Client Quit] 22:35:20 For 0.14, I'd be in favor of removing Dj and LO 22:35:40 from trunk or from stable? 22:36:04 both 22:36:06 also, the day I learned golden eyes don't sinv (which was recently) I was quite upset 22:36:16 I think we've pretty much hit a consensus as to what's happening with LO, Dj, and VS wrt 0.14 stable. 22:36:28 -!- conted_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:36:42 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 22:37:00 golden dragon (08D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 87-126 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 40, 20, 2007(trample) | see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(192), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 4175 | Sp: b.fire (3d27), b.cold (3d27), poisonous cloud (3d11) | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 22:37:00 %??golden dragon 22:37:06 bh, LO hit a dead-end until the mechanic can be keyed to something better than tension? 22:37:10 hey, these don't sinv either 22:37:19 wheals, they do 22:37:20 wheals: it says they do... 22:37:25 oh wow 22:37:28 tired 22:37:48 wheals doesn't see visible 22:37:55 I think some only "sense invis," which can be worse iirc 22:37:58 yes 22:37:59 wheals has blurry vision 3 22:38:01 shadow dragon (06D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 17 | HP: 105-149 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Dam: 2013(drain), 15, 15 | evil, cold-blooded, see invisible, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(113), 02cold++, 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++ | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 2067 | Sp: b.draining (3d24) | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 22:38:01 %??shadow_dragon 22:38:15 i got blurry vision 1 last game...it must be infectious 22:39:00 should I go ahead and remove frayed nets? 22:39:05 The learndb blurs before your eyes. 22:39:14 This learndb appears to be blank. 22:39:34 My implementation worked by having them fray when they've got something stuck and then when the thing gets unstuck their either mulch or not 22:39:36 Oops...You have blundered into a monster trap! 22:39:46 yes please bh 22:40:13 so the end result is no net stacking by any kind of status? 22:40:49 er all nets stack together, since they all have the same status, I should say 22:41:07 bh: are you going to add something else or is it just a net loss? 22:41:26 a frayed knot... 22:41:52 that's net a very good pun 22:42:18 Zannick: did I invite you to that thing tomorrow? 22:42:23 bh: yes 22:42:27 k 22:42:59 gammafunk: exactly. Nets are just +0 22:44:28 suggestion: make monster-thrown nets mulch less, and player-thrown mulch more 22:44:32 heh, it doesn't display "+0" though, does it? 22:45:18 nope 22:46:18 -!- necKro has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:47:58 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 22:48:41 sounds real nice 22:48:58 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:49:15 so LO is out of stable again, Dj is probably just out, and VS is out due to a lack of testing? 22:49:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:37 VS is in, i think 22:50:41 -!- mong has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:50:55 oh 22:51:02 VS is in. 22:51:30 VS seems reasonable to me 22:51:34 LO is still trunk-only, and Dj is either that or the giant executioner's axe finally falls 22:51:49 The first time I tried it, I simply couldn't die. This time through it didn't seem particularly unbalanced 22:52:03 Death has come for bh... 22:52:11 To note, that's because mp gain was reduced by 2-4+x, right? 22:52:19 yeah the initial implementation on the testing branch was insane 22:52:25 regen iii at xl1 22:52:49 -!- mako has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:53:13 !apt vs 22:53:14 VS: Fighting: -1, Short: -1, Long: -1, Axes: -1, Maces: -1, Polearms: -1, Staves: -1, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 3, Shields: -1, UC: 0, Splcast: 0, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 0, Inv: 0, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: -3, MP: 1 22:55:13 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:23 did I get it right? 22:56:09 (i.e. VS in both stable and trunk, LO + Dj in just Trunk) 22:56:16 %git HEAD^{/[Vv]ine [Ss]talker.? add} 22:56:17 07Sage02 {|amethyst} * 0.14-a0-2101-gc794351: Vine stalkers added. 10(9 weeks ago, 21 files, 238+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c7943516ac3d 22:57:23 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:59:22 Basil: possibly? I did Elf at XL13. I finally died charging headlong into a hangedman vault in Depths 22:59:35 Does anyone have ideas for a net mulch rate function? 23:00:15 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:01:47 Query: 23:02:03 About how many throws does a throwing net last at present? 23:02:09 ...answering that will give you a mulch rate. 23:02:29 depends on how you escape it 23:03:35 \net 23:11:17 How long do nets usually last, ~5 turns? 23:11:18 4? 23:11:28 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:58 -!- rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:01 -!- MistGuided has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:13:46 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:14:13 nice. The net code is duplicated for monsters and players 23:14:21 in any case, 20 or 25% chance per turn sounds alright 23:16:21 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:16:28 -!- sstrickl has quit [Changing host] 23:16:30 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:19:26 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:23 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:20:38 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 23:21:19 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:05 -!- Ruble has quit [] 23:23:09 -!- tgcid has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:43 -!- tgcid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:28:04 gammafunk: btw, I'm working on updating Glaciate generally in the direction I mentioned here: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=150611#p150611 23:28:26 ...since Icicle would become an entirely different spell, it'd benefit from the dazzle targeting you're working on for monster purposes. 23:28:43 (so in this updated branch I'm going to leave that out for the moment) 23:30:08 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 23:32:16 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:36 blargh. I seem to have written this patch wrong. 23:32:40 "strictly worse than falloff" is surely just a misimplementation rather than an actual problem with constant vs falloff 23:33:02 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:33:21 i don't really have any preference for either but it seems like the wrong reason to dismiss constant :P 23:35:48 ...heh, I just realised that Vehumet's range extension expands the cone size. 23:36:20 makes sense for outwards size, does it also make it wider? 23:36:21 Yeah, the constant thing was because the two implementations shared damage calculations for the most part. 23:36:43 (also i like falloff more but i'm biased due to having suggested it :)) 23:37:26 More bias on my part, but the other level 9 damage dealers also tend to deal damage independent of position so long as something's in their AOE; having one that isn't would be nice! 23:37:54 (well, it could be argued that Tornadoing something is worse if you're far away from it to begin with) 23:42:05 -!- gbeene is now known as gbeeneAFK 23:44:51 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2691-g997c442 (34) 23:45:49 -!- Ataraxzy has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 23:52:02 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:53:22 gammafunk: http://sprunge.us/ZVaL is where I'm at right now. 23:54:03 Grunt: ok, good to know. I'm using your commit with some modifications, but i had to squash it. 23:54:12 I can seperate it back out before any merge 23:54:30 (You squash the commit like a bug!!!!!!!!!!) 23:54:49 well, I guess that would be hard, but, I'll see what the final thing looks like 23:54:54 -!- exant has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:55:01 ah, good 23:55:18 you're still using _spray_rays_can_target 23:55:22 taht's the stuff I needed anyhow 23:55:35 What I have here should be mostly independent of what you're doing, really. 23:55:51 I'm just enamored with the notion of some monster casting Mass Fireball <_< 23:56:27 yeah it pretty much is, but I do use that function 23:56:39 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:41 in any case yours will go in first I'm sure, and I can rebase off that 23:57:26 MarvinPA: The only immediate thing I was thinking about doing with summon_spells was maybe looking into letting Summon Forest spawn a couple trees that aren't from converted rock walls, just so that it could function in places with stone. Or that could just be a limitation of it, I don't know. 23:57:36 But that seems fine to do in trunk 23:58:17 yeah, i was sort of sad when i got to vaults with it 23:58:41 I think a few (maybe near walls?) placed so they don't block off pathways might be okay 23:59:00 Awaken vines already uses code to place non-blockingly, so I might be able to just adapt it