00:06:23 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2644-gcc8e764 (34) 00:09:21 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:09:42 so a malign gateway just appeared next to me while resting 00:10:13 -!- exant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:10:20 with no messages indicating why, other than some distant zot trap sounds a few turns ago 00:12:16 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 00:13:23 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 00:15:37 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:44 since the iron devil description mentions "metal skin" it seems like it should be LRDable 00:18:42 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2644-gcc8e764 (34) 00:19:32 they have metal skin but squishy demon juice insides 00:21:14 -!- xyz123456 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:26:41 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:27:41 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:46 (fr LRD Hell Sentinels) 00:27:55 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:28:08 lrd dispater 00:30:01 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:36:24 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:39:03 -!- Sirrick has quit [] 00:40:19 Grunt: i remember that game, you were a spam and Js kept wandering into your innerflame clouds 00:42:28 -!- xyz12345 has quit [Client Quit] 00:45:47 wheals: that was the game where I died to Maurice paralysis :( 00:45:58 !lg . spam jiyva 00:45:59 1. SGrunt the Thaumaturge (L10 SpAM of Jiyva), slain by a water moccasin on D:10 on 2013-12-29 05:07:47, with 4175 points after 11504 turns and 0:42:37. 00:46:06 !lg . spam jiyva x=status 00:46:07 1. [status=mildly poisoned,paralysed] SGrunt the Thaumaturge (L10 SpAM of Jiyva), slain by a water moccasin on D:10 on 2013-12-29 05:07:47, with 4175 points after 11504 turns and 0:42:37. 00:46:59 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2644-gcc8e764 00:48:59 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:49:28 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:49:56 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:51:18 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:51:38 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 00:52:17 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:54:05 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:56:15 -!- sstrickl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:01:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 01:12:18 -!- exant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:19:54 !lg . spam jiyva -tv 01:19:55 No games for greensnark (spam jiyva). 01:20:01 !lg Grunt spam jiyva -tv 01:20:02 1. SGrunt, XL10 SpAM, T:11504 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 01:20:58 Nice 01:25:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:29:26 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:29:36 A randart amulet is pre-identified in Crypt ending by Sar 01:32:44 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:34:39 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:35:18 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:36:21 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:23 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:59 -!- Superterranean has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:55:29 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:00:10 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: extreme bum] 02:00:25 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 27.0.1/20140212131424]] 02:10:47 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:12:49 -!- SakuyaIzayoi has quit [Client Quit] 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left ##crawl-dev 03:01:09 -!- popsofctown has quit [] 03:02:00 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:04:23 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:09:49 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 03:10:28 -!- rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 03:11:31 -!- Ruble has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:11:45 Jiyva penance creates hostile slimes. by elliptic 03:11:45 Ally stepping on Zot trap creates malign gateway near player. by elliptic 03:12:47 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:12:53 -!- rast- is now known as rast 03:13:25 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:16:49 Fire giant aimed fireball at empty space. by elliptic 03:21:52 DMsl and RMsl stack. by elliptic 03:23:08 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:24:20 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:32 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:33:05 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:36 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:34:38 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 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known as Ladykiller69 06:38:35 -!- tgcid has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:41:04 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:41:36 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:42 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 06:43:23 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:30 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:48:44 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 06:49:02 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:49:36 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 06:56:03 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:03:21 -!- radinms has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 07:03:22 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:49 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:08:25 -!- ToastyP has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:10:03 Amulet of resist corrosion isn't autoidentified. by alkrog 07:18:25 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:19:46 -!- Gobbopathe has quit [Client Quit] 07:36:43 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:56:40 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:26 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:42 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:00 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:13 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:46 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 08:26:38 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:27:45 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:32:37 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:34:22 !seen ontoclasm 08:34:22 I last saw ontoclasm at Sat Feb 15 19:32:01 2014 UTC (19h 2m 21s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving.'. 08:42:16 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:44 -!- Nethris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:46:11 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:43 -!- Hosg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:55:25 -!- squimmy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:56:37 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:03 -!- floatboth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:35 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 09:03:05 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 09:08:48 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14:07 -!- Ragnor has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:18:30 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:18:33 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:23:35 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:26:18 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 09:32:36 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:49 -!- cjjoey has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:36:03 -!- lion has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:36:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:38:24 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:40:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2645-g4957692: Fix a paste-o in the monster speech documentation. 10(64 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4957692b8a01 09:45:17 hm 09:45:38 I think I'll just land some of these other wrath changes and figure out where to go from there (tinker with them further, etc.) 09:45:47 <|amethyst> (btw, I am tempted to rename "subjective" and "objective" to "nominative" and "accusative") 09:46:03 <|amethyst> (and half-tempted to possessive -> genitive) 09:46:12 genitive is not possessive 09:46:18 |amethyst: surely there are more interesting bikesheds to paint :) 09:49:15 <|amethyst> wheals: but "possessive" is really a function, not a case 09:49:49 <|amethyst> wheals: e.g. it's questionable whether there is actually possession (even conceptually) in "I object to his eating my pie" 09:51:55 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:52:02 <|amethyst> PRONOUN_ERGATIVE 09:52:16 <|amethyst> have to handle the Georgian translation 09:54:14 -!- wwwwwwwwwwwwww has quit [Client Quit] 09:59:59 "handle" 10:01:14 ??lg 10:01:14 listgame[1/6]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/greensnark/dcss_sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md 10:07:48 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2646-g98df243: Vehumet wrath: employ actual conjurations, not just miscasts. 10(11 days ago, 5 files, 132+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=98df243970cc 10:07:48 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2647-ge1696d9: Makhleb wrath rework. 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 107+ 39-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e1696d99acaf 10:07:48 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2648-g0e8058b: Scale Okawaru's wrath forces with XL; expand list of warriors. 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 37+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0e8058b2ef30 10:07:48 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2649-g45dd198: Scale Trog's berserker wrath monsters better with XL. 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=45dd1986163b 10:07:48 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2650-g6f85e54: Don't credit player for kills by divine wrath conjurations. 10(40 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f85e54cdc49 10:08:24 (that last one was a good bug; I'm glad I noticed it) 10:08:48 >This hijacks the Dith shadow mimic code 10:08:50 rip 10:09:21 That code is still intact!!! It just does more than one thing now. 10:10:24 The other day I watched a jelly slither over a scroll mimic. It was an odd info leak 10:10:26 !tell gammafunk + min(min(random2avg((1 + you.experience_level / 3), 2) + 3, 10:10:26 wheals: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 10:11:10 * Grunt gestures. The burst of hellfire engulfs wheals! 10:11:23 &rdjinni 10:11:36 * wheals completely resists. 10:11:49 * Grunt gestures. Grunt conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast hits wheals! wheals is frozen! 10:17:38 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2651-g66356aa: Extremely minor whitespace fix. 10(71 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=66356aac1626 10:17:41 Here: a wheals shaped block of ice 10:18:40 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:20:19 !abyss whitespace 10:20:19 bh casts a spell. whitespace is devoured by a tear in reality! 10:22:01 -!- Superterranean has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:23:06 could i bug someone for feedback on "7843: spell search interface"? i made a fresh patch just now, and i was hoping for some feedback before i refactor my crap code https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7843 10:23:49 -!- alefury has quit [] 10:26:42 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:29:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:35:28 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:23 Grunt: what are your thoughts on what in glaciate-testing will go in? 10:36:53 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:37:24 For my dazzling thing, I should probably try to keep my monster implementation close to yours in terms of the supporting functions 10:39:52 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:13 !tell wheals Buried deep in crawl amongst all that noise is probably some random bug that turns out to actually be a new best sorting algorithm 10:40:13 gammafunk: OK, I'll let wheals know. 10:46:03 -!- Yuof has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:48:08 -!- Quazifuji_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:49:21 hey this is pretty sweet, d:27 vault that looks just like nethacks castle 10:49:36 yeah, was that 1kb who made that? 10:49:39 i suppose a wand of acquirement would be too much to hope for 10:49:43 no wand of wishing though :( 10:49:57 you guys have some really amazing vault designers 10:51:06 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 10:53:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:54:26 <|amethyst> !vault evilmike_zot_entry_castle 10:54:26 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/zot.des;hb=HEAD#l160 10:54:46 rast: vaults aren't all that difficult to make (although it can be as difficult as you want to make it); you should try your hand at making one sometime! 10:55:09 gammafunk: i mean the creativity required. 10:55:10 please add ?acquirement on the zot portal 10:55:46 i know actually writing the vault is simple 10:55:55 rast: Well, creativity is a factor, it's kind of more that it takes good players with a strong sense of what makes a good crawl experience, but I suppose that also is creativity 10:56:04 yes 10:56:34 I was going to do an encompass vault that was a mimic of the nethack ascension; it might have worked but it's probably a Bad Idea 10:56:35 i dont udnerstand why some of these doors are runed 10:56:42 encompass vault? 10:56:47 all-level vault 10:56:49 as in 10:56:51 ah ok 10:57:08 you could still do a vault where first you fight a earth elemental 10:57:10 fire 10:57:12 air 10:57:13 !vault deaths_head 10:57:13 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/crypt.des;hb=HEAD#l1716 10:57:14 water 10:57:16 angel 10:57:17 and then i guess you get a random altar 10:57:18 like that one 10:57:34 yeah, lots of neat ways you could do it; it's more a question if we need that big of a nethack reference 10:57:37 which we really don't 10:58:28 how many of the top 100 crawl players have never beaten nethack? 10:58:30 heh, "nethack spring" 10:58:44 -!- tenofswords_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:45 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:45 78291 is famous on NAO for having ridiculous numbers of wins 10:58:59 gammafunk: i know yes 10:59:15 its assumed he is actually multiple people 10:59:17 -!- tenofswords has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:59:24 -!- tenofswords_ is now known as tenofswords 10:59:31 though he claims otherwise 10:59:37 I will ask him next time if he is Legion 10:59:58 he is clearly a large abomination 11:00:11 man, if only I could summon 78291 with XXX 11:00:14 n78291 the macabre mass comes into view 11:00:24 summon greater player 11:00:24 starspawn :p 11:00:34 "summon better player" 11:00:55 ??tentacled monstrosity[2] 11:00:55 tentacled monstrosity[2/2]: So, elliptic, you show your true form. 11:01:09 fr: let top 100 players names be used for pan lords 11:01:14 temporarily turns control of your character over to a random account with more wins than you 11:01:28 sorry I was thinking starcursed mass 11:01:32 I'd really like to beat an rF-, HD 16 pan lord named elliptic 11:01:56 rast: but has a small chance of turning it over to zermako (or, for that matter, me)? :p 11:02:04 pan lord named mikee_ with 100, 100 damage 11:02:05 !gamesby geekosaur 11:02:06 geekosaur has played 669 games, between 2012-09-18 21:29:58 and 2013-12-25 01:15:35, won 0, high score 227672, total score 2199070, total turns 2902476, play-time/day 0:35:38, total time 11d+11:35:37. 11:02:16 geekosaur: that would be a possible miscast effect, yes 11:02:29 mostly I play offline these days, because local network is really hiccuppy 11:02:39 at higher spell power the control would last longer 11:02:40 tenofswords: mikee_ the pan lord auto-revives as many times as his longest streak 11:02:59 oh boy 11:04:11 -!- Superterranean has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:06:18 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:08:14 -!- tupper has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:14 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:15 -!- NeremWorld has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:15 -!- DrKe has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:15 -!- MarvinPA has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:16 -!- SeianVerian has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:16 -!- Krakhan has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:17 -!- jameyd has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:17 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:17 -!- buppy has quit [*.net *.split] 11:08:17 -!- Adder_ has quit [*.net *.split] 11:11:01 -!- PleasingFungus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:13:10 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2651-g66356aa (34) 11:16:01 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:17 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:17 -!- Sydolfas has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:23:26 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-2652-g052a78b: Change newgame menu colors 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=052a78b40910 11:31:14 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:31:33 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 11:33:07 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:19 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 11:46:29 -!- Superterranean has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:50:23 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:59:51 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:11:23 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:12:44 -!- Stumpsv has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:15:01 -!- yokelz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:20:45 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:32 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:25:38 -!- exant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:26:46 -!- ackack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:30:57 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:47 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:24 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:28 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:38:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:44:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:02 -!- xnavy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:47:38 -!- roctavian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:55:21 -!- Superterranean has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:55:39 ontoclasm: hi 12:58:46 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:01 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:07 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:06 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:11:10 -!- duralumin has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13:10 in class selection both the headings and the recommendations are white now 13:15:34 i tried making the headings yellow instead 13:16:55 ontoclasm: any opinion on that? 13:21:09 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:25:20 -!- Superterranean has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:25:44 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:00 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:31:29 !tell bh would you mind terribly if that 'Self portrait' got migrated to en.wikipedia? because I think, technically, that's where it's supposed to be until the .uk copyright expires ... 13:31:29 SamB: OK, I'll let bh know. 13:31:53 -!- exant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:32:23 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 13:34:11 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:34:40 !tell bh basically our options are "leave it and hope nobody notices it" or "report it and hope we just didn't understand UK copyright properly" (or that someone manages to miraculously talk the estate into granting a license for free use, even though that includes commercial use) 13:34:41 SamB: OK, I'll let bh know. 13:36:12 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:29 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:51:17 elliptic: regarding invis, would you object to a change where every monster that goes invis in los gets that "invisible actor" indicator at the position it went invis? 13:51:38 what is the "invisible actor" indicator? 13:51:51 it's { in consol iirc 13:52:00 in tiles its a little shadowy person tile 13:52:01 ah, that thing 13:52:16 so just have that for a single turn? 13:52:19 I suppose it's not as nice in console, come to think of it 13:52:21 that sounds reasonable 13:52:28 why only for a single turn? 13:52:29 you think always remove after one turn? 13:52:32 no, it is fine in console, I just didn't know what you meant 13:52:48 it can stay in console until another one pops up e.g. when you get hit by said invis actor 13:52:49 well, if you don't always remove after one turn, when do you remove it? does it stick around until the end of the game? :P 13:53:04 those things don't appear when you get hit 13:53:04 well there's no need to change it because it won't do that 13:53:05 I actually don't know the removal rules 13:53:19 and that incidentally also is why invisibility on monsters does nothing 13:53:20 they sometimes appears, and truthfully I don't know the conditions 13:53:24 currently { is always removed after one turn 13:53:28 afaik 13:53:28 you always know where they are 13:53:53 ChrisOelmueller: we are aware of this 13:54:24 right, so why attempt to hide this again after a turn? 13:54:26 anyway placing a { there for a single turn is definitely an improvement over the current situation, at the very least 13:54:41 ChrisOelmueller: because otherwise when do you remove it? I already said this 13:55:04 monsters do move around if they aren't already next to you, so that square isn't even going to stay relevant in many situations 13:55:23 okay so it's not actually going to be fixed 13:55:25 nevermind me, then 13:55:54 ChrisOelmueller: we aren't talking about AI changes right now 13:56:00 no this is not "fix invis" it's more "fix one issue with invis" 13:56:38 i'd be very happy about no ai change and instead displaying the invisible monster 13:57:12 as it moves around? no 13:57:26 that would be a substantial nerf to invis monsters in some situations 13:57:41 as it moves around in the one predictable pattern you already know, yes 13:57:44 oh well 13:57:52 I think the problem with that fix is, even though yes it's an interface crew, it actually matters in various situations 13:58:02 *screw 13:58:02 i have yet to meet one of those 13:58:06 monsters do not always move directly towards you with no ambiguity and no other monsters pushing past them, etc 13:58:10 have you played crawl 13:58:15 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:15 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:23 or paid any attention to invis monsters if you have 13:58:47 that is why i dislike it so much, no? 13:58:59 there's even movement speed randomization for invis monsters, meaning you don't know what square they are on even if it is a kobold who drank invis in a hallway a few squares from you 13:59:51 the only situation in which you know exactly where the invis monster is located is when it goes invis while next to you 14:00:21 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:02 and this is why we can't have nice things 14:02:29 -!- Ruble_ is now known as Ruble 14:03:46 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 14:03:48 -!- Keanan has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:03:58 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:17 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-2653-g39e539b: Always display a message when moving while manticore-spiked. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=39e539b73662 14:19:06 elliptic: I guess ATTR_BARBS_MSG should be removed/scheduled for removal after that? 14:19:14 oh, yes 14:19:25 I guess just scheduling it for removal is fine? 14:19:51 I think so, but I'm not too familiar with the save stuff. 14:20:18 Well, ATTR_EVOKER_XP looks like a good example. 14:20:26 yeah 14:20:48 actually removing it would be possible but I don't think there's any real point, since that requires a tag_minor_version thingy 14:21:10 Right 14:31:18 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:35 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-2654-ga4a1324: Schedule ATTR_BARBS_MSG for removal at the next save compat bump. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4a132424af2 14:32:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:35:13 -!- Joey_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:35:33 !seen dpeg 14:35:33 I last saw dpeg at Sat Feb 15 16:51:20 2014 UTC (1d 3h 44m 12s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Lost terminal'. 14:35:34 ChrisOelmueller: yeah, yellow or something sounds good 14:35:41 alternately they could be different colors 14:35:53 "warriors" yellow, "mages" blue etc. 14:36:05 sorry, i didn't notice they were white 14:36:06 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:40:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:41:22 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:30 !lg 9to ghhu 14:41:31 2. 9to the Chucker (L5 GhHu), rotted away (potion of mutation) on D:3 on 2014-02-16 07:13:27, with 250 points after 2212 turns and 0:15:02. 14:41:40 should this be fatal? is this intended? 14:42:12 if you are at low HP when you drink it, I don't see why not 14:42:41 i just know many similar things are non-fatal 14:42:48 with the exception being lugonu's abilities 14:43:07 what is similar to this? 14:43:34 well... you got me 14:43:40 i don't have an example off the top of my head 14:43:55 you could make an argument that maybe rotting should just reduce MHP, not also current HP 14:44:31 right 14:44:49 ah, one similar example is stat death 14:44:52 !log 9to ghhu 14:44:53 2. 9to, XL5 GhHu, T:2212: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/9to/morgue-9to-20140216-071327.txt 14:45:18 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:45:39 -!- SeianVerian_ is now known as SeianVerian 14:45:55 this just seems to be a corner case that is an especially harsh way to die 14:46:08 well, he was already at 3 HP or less 14:46:31 you quaff-id !pois at 2hp. is this "fair"? 14:46:47 well that at least won't insta-kill you 14:46:55 actually, it looks like rot doesn't normally reduce current HP, but rot caused by mutating undead has an extra 3 damage 14:47:03 so it is definitely intentional 14:47:06 oh interesting 14:47:08 okay then 14:47:19 ouch(3, NON_MONSTER, KILLED_BY_ROTTING, reason.c_str()); 14:47:22 rot_hp(roll_dice(1, 3)); 14:47:36 good times 14:51:55 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-2655-g23f6408: Singing Sword & Captain's Cutlass tiles (Bloax) 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=23f6408bb2ee 14:51:55 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-2656-g5c2d2b7: Change the newgame menu titles to blue 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c2d2b70425b 14:52:11 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:15 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:13 i made them blue to mathc the section titles in the inventory 14:53:53 ok that is the worst possible color on my end but apparently people like blue 14:54:19 ? 14:54:44 i guess if your blue is really dark then maybe it's a problem 14:54:52 i've been on a more or less successful crusade to remove blue and green from headings 14:54:57 that is generally the case 14:55:22 well, feel free to change it, i just looked at what the inventory used 14:55:35 yellow or brown would be fine too 14:55:48 or lightblue 14:56:51 lightblue is always good 15:00:00 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:00:31 if you can't read blue stuff how do you see blue monsters 15:01:06 not very well 15:01:31 dark blue is very hard for me to see too 15:01:33 it is a problem with the interface, nethack solved it by having an option to move blue stuff to darkgrey which is much more visible 15:01:43 i have trouble reading the letters for unID'd potions and scrolls now 15:01:48 ...or just make your blue visible? 15:01:51 (i also have made eyesight) 15:01:53 bad* 15:02:25 ontoclasm: i do not know how to do that 15:02:55 depends on your terminal emulator 15:02:57 well it depends on your console; under linux it goes in your bash thing 15:03:17 or zsh or whatever shell you have 15:03:23 actually I should do this locally since dark blue is fine until I need to use f.lux to knock down a headache 15:04:07 i'll look into it 15:04:41 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:01 well: 15:05:48 ??cheipoke 15:05:48 cheipoke[1/1]: http://s-z.org/cgi-bin/cheipoke 15:06:00 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-2657-ge5381f99: Fix armour and shield melee accuracy penalties not being applied. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e5381f999139 15:06:00 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-2658-gcddf0b1: Lightblue instead of blue for newgame titles 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cddf0b1eed6f 15:06:20 IMO good 2.5-year-old bug 15:06:30 so it wasn't an fsim bug? 15:06:33 just a normal bug? 15:06:36 yeah, fsim was correct 15:06:37 Haha. 15:06:40 amazin 15:06:52 No wonder that fighter shield was so good from the start. 15:07:00 rip shields 15:07:13 yeah, balance for a few things might need some thought now 15:07:31 mainly this makes fighter worse at start 15:07:41 which is not great 15:08:33 can you do fsim tests comparing a starting fighter before and after? 15:08:41 (these penalties weren't huge, but at start they are noticeable) 15:09:01 wheals: that should just be a matter of comparing with and without your armour/shield equipped :P 15:09:09 oh, yes :) 15:09:10 well, not quite I guess because shield did affect delay properly 15:09:40 but you can compare accuracy at least 15:10:27 wow 15:10:28 rip fighter 15:10:48 HuFi vs hobgoblin: 15:10:51 before: 15:10:59 acc 58% 15:11:05 Was the message calculated separately? (Your x prevents you from hitting) 15:11:07 after: acc 54% 15:11:11 Medar: yes 15:11:28 That doesn't sound huge. 15:11:28 that is why we didn't realize it was bugged 15:11:33 hobgoblin (07g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-7 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(1) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 15:11:33 %??hobgoblin 15:11:33 ok, fine 15:11:44 what other EVs are there early on 15:11:51 adder (09S) | Spd: 13 (swim: 60%) | HD: 2 | HP: 6-16 | AC/EV: 1/15 | Dam: 508(poison) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(8), 12drown | XP: 13 | Sz: little | Int: reptile. 15:11:51 %??adder 15:11:54 right 15:12:32 adder: before 38%, after 32% 15:13:01 so not a disaster 15:13:10 sort of a disaster 15:13:23 !calc 32.0/38.0 15:13:23 0.84 15:13:31 16% less damage against adders 15:13:57 but generally not a big deal, yeah 15:14:07 give fighters a +1,+1 weapon maybe?? 15:14:38 |amethyst: is it correct to think of the ZAP code as being player-centric? Most monster beams have their own damage/hit dice calculations since those in the zap data seem appropriate for players but not for monsters 15:14:56 gammafunk: that sounds right ime 15:15:09 (oh, those tests were with trident starting weapon) 15:15:26 Well if you look on the glaciate branch, Grunt uses zappy, but there's a bit in that function that unconditionally checks for player innacuracy 15:15:56 as in monsters casting a spell using zappy will have player innacuracy applied to them 15:16:00 but the whole thing is pretty confusing 15:23:03 how much would anyone mind if GDA is no longer encumbrance 27 15:23:22 are we running out of 27s in crawl 15:23:28 with D split and such 15:23:42 s??27[length of 15:23:43 27[13/18]: Length of D + U + Z 15:23:46 add more 27s 15:23:52 i did! the gong 15:24:02 s??27[gong 15:24:03 shield_of_the_gong[1/3]: +27 shield {rElec rN+ MR EV-5} This shield will surely be heard! Was +6 without the EV-5 in 0.13-. 15:24:12 I did too 15:24:16 s??27[Morgoth] 15:24:17 27[12/18]: You need more will than this to avoid being slowed by Morgoth. 15:24:23 mmmm 15:24:55 also i added a 27 to the entry a lot of people didn't realize 15:24:59 s??27[obsidi 15:24:59 27[17/18]: The sum of the {obsidian axe}'s enchantments. 15:25:27 anyway I think I'm going to buff a few of the heaviest body armours by a bit, since that was discussed a few times even before this recent change that hurts them a bit 15:25:40 mottled draconian knight (10d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 112-145 | AC/EV: 12/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(85), 05fire, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1806 | Sp: sticky flame splash (3d6), b.cold (3d25), agony, animate dead, simulacrum / sticky flame splash (3d6), b.fire (3d25), agony, invisibility, animate dead / sticky flame splash (3d6), b.fire (3d25), b.cold (3d25), b.lightning (3d21), b.draining (3d23) / sticky flame splash (3d6), pain (d16), b.fire (3d25), 04esc:blink / sticky flame splash (3d6), pain (d16), throw flame (3d9), haste | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:25:40 %?draconian knight 15:25:40 I support that 15:25:43 pale draconian knight (10d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 102-121 | AC/EV: 12/16 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(42), steam | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1655 | Sp: steam ball (3d19), b.cold (3d25), b.draining (3d23), invisibility, animate dead, throw icicle (3d25) / steam ball (3d19), b.cold (3d25), b.lightning (3d21), vampiric draining, agony, throw icicle (3d25) / steam ball (3d19), b.cold (3d25), throw icicle (3d25), haste, simulacrum, armour | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:25:43 %??draconian knight 15:27:11 ??Morgoth 15:27:12 I don't have a page labeled Morgoth in my learndb. 15:27:38 ??spriggans knife 15:27:39 spriggans knife ~ spriggan's knife[1/1]: The +4,+10 Spriggan's Knife {MR EV+4 Dex+4 Stlth++}. This knife was made by Spriggans, or for Spriggans, or possibly from Spriggans. Anyway, it's in some way associated with those fey folk. Actually a dagger. 15:27:47 is that a Sil reference, Morgoth I mean? 15:28:12 clearly i should have made sniper +27, +27 15:28:12 yeah 15:29:12 -!- roctavian has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:33 players should start with 27 gold 15:31:33 the v:5 ambush needs 3 more guards 15:31:57 also doesn't zot:5 have like 25 orb guardians 15:33:16 looks like 25, yes 15:33:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:33:26 +1 for adding 2 more somewhere 15:40:02 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:40:22 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:42:26 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:44:32 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:50:31 elliptic: alternatively give GDA 13 base AC again 15:51:02 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:02 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 15:51:02 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:06 oh was that change the reason for ??gda[3 15:51:26 minmay: I considered that, but I think having more distance between it and CPA is better 15:51:56 elliptic: or give it 13.5 base AC, so if you happen to wear a +13.5 GDA with 0 armour skill, you have another 27 15:52:19 currently just moving encumbrances GDA 27 -> 25, CPA 24 -> 23, PA 19 -> 18 15:52:31 does PDA need a buff? 15:52:34 not PDA 15:52:35 plate :P 15:52:36 wheals: well the general armour nerf was what made it *really* awful, but that was part of it yes 15:52:43 oh, derp 15:52:49 wheals: it went from 13 base AC to 11 base AC 15:53:02 wheals: so it was like...crappy plate that you had to get from a dragon 15:53:12 %git e00f724 15:53:12 07dpeg02 * 0.6.0-a0-570-ge00f724: By popular demand and taking pointers from DC4.1 and DCSS0.1, reduce AC of gold dragon armour (by 2) and of gold dragon hide (by 1) without any compensation. 10(4 years, 5 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e00f724da44a 15:53:29 "popular demand" 15:54:08 also, nerfing the hide is pretty funny 15:54:14 then MarvinPA was mean and gave it a point of ac back 15:54:18 I'm buffing the hide right now! 15:55:48 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-2659-g5dfa5d8: Decrease encumbrance of the heaviest armours slightly. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dfa5d83bcf9 15:55:49 I want to role play as a holy cave man, and I'd like to have a *little* more ac 15:55:49 wouldn't you want pearl dragon hide then 15:55:49 yes! 15:55:49 well I assume pearl dragon hide is also not very good 15:55:49 %git 68027b 15:55:50 07MarvinPA02 * 0.10-a0-1889-g68027b2: Give GDA an extra point of AC 10(2 years, 3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=68027b2a2988 15:55:50 %git 68027b 15:55:50 07MarvinPA02 * 0.10-a0-1889-g68027b2: Give GDA an extra point of AC 10(2 years, 3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=68027b2a2988 15:55:58 it would be fun if pearl dragon hide was just scale mail, basically 15:55:59 oops 15:56:19 allow enchanting scale mail of life protection into PDA 15:56:30 no buff to storm dragon armour? 15:56:33 ??storm 15:56:34 I don't have a page labeled storm in my learndb. 15:56:36 storm doesn't really need it 15:56:37 ??armours 15:56:38 armours[1/2]: 0.13: Robe:2AC/0ER Steam:5/0,rSteam Leather:3/4 Troll:4/4,regen Mottled:6/4,rSticky Ring:5/7 Swamp:7/7,rPois Scale:6/11 Fire:8/11,rF++,rC- Ice:9/11,rC++,rF- Pearl:10/11,rN+ Chain:8/15 Storm:10/17,rElec Plate:10/19 Crystal:14/24 Gold:12/27,rF,rC,rPois 15:56:39 buppy: storm dragon armour was buffed earlier 15:56:44 that is out of date 15:56:49 yeah it's still slightly better than plate 15:56:57 can we buff shadow dragon armour by letting it exist? 15:56:58 it is encumbrance 15 15:56:58 it's now slightly worse relative to plate than it was 10 minutes ago, but still fine 15:57:05 more than slightly better than 18 15:57:05 !learn edit armours s/27/25/ 15:57:05 Use: !learn edit armours[NUM] s/// 15:57:32 !learn edit armours s/17/15/ 15:57:33 Use: !learn edit armours[NUM] s/// 15:57:35 !learn edit armours[1] s/17/15/ 15:57:36 armours[1/2]: 0.13: Robe:2AC/0ER Steam:5/0,rSteam Leather:3/4 Troll:4/4,regen Mottled:6/4,rSticky Ring:5/7 Swamp:7/7,rPois Scale:6/11 Fire:8/11,rF++,rC- Ice:9/11,rC++,rF- Pearl:10/11,rN+ Chain:8/15 Storm:10/15,rElec Plate:10/19 Crystal:14/23 Gold:12/25,rF,rC,rPois 15:57:48 ditch mottled dragons, add quicksilver dragon armour: 7/0,MR 15:58:03 that would be some sexy armour 15:58:04 elliptic: um, you probably want to update the 0.14 one instead 15:58:15 oops 15:58:17 ??armours[2] 15:58:17 armours[2/2]: Key: :/,. 15:58:27 oh there isn't an 0.14 one lol 15:58:34 !learn edit armours[1] s/13/14/ 15:58:34 armours[1/2]: 0.14: Robe:2AC/0ER Steam:5/0,rSteam Leather:3/4 Troll:4/4,regen Mottled:6/4,rSticky Ring:5/7 Swamp:7/7,rPois Scale:6/11 Fire:8/11,rF++,rC- Ice:9/11,rC++,rF- Pearl:10/11,rN+ Chain:8/15 Storm:10/15,rElec Plate:10/18 Crystal:14/23 Gold:12/25,rF,rC,rPois 15:58:36 yes there is 15:58:37 "screw stable players" 16:00:13