00:00:06 amazing, after what must have been 2 hours of configuration, I have a Funkell 00:00:14 03BlackSheep02 {Medar} 07* 0.14-a0-2341-gc799e94: Let elemental staves enable training Evocations 10(6 months ago, 2 files, 26+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c799e943ee04 00:00:18 talk about your dependency nightmare 00:00:41 -!- bschlief has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:16 now what the hell was I going to code again, oh right... 00:01:19 Medar: Just to check: When confused, only break if it's a penancey bad_attack 00:01:47 Basil: Right (or if there is lava/deep water) 00:02:40 wheals: do you want the two old patches removed in #8001? 00:02:59 and for stop_attack_prompt, declare temp_penance and do 'if (!penance) {penance = temp_penance;}' 00:03:16 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2341-gc799e94 (34) 00:03:17 or is that a little ugly 00:04:04 Medar: about the `case STAFF_SUMMONING:` part there... 00:04:22 or was that intentional? 00:04:44 ChrisOelmueller: Doesn't staff of summoning use evoc or what? 00:04:49 latest bad idea: a weapon that gives you permanent haste while wielded 00:04:53 Medar: no 00:04:53 -!- Hailley has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:04:57 wellll 00:05:00 yeah i wouldn't know what for at least 00:05:00 does it? heh 00:05:08 maybe it does is why i'm asking 00:05:08 it does do abjure, so it probably does? 00:05:11 ??staff of summoning 00:05:11 staff of summoning[1/1]: Enhances Summoning spells. Also provides a level of warding and can abjure on-hit with evocation skill in 0.8. Same evocations check as other staves (death, fire, cold etc). Abjures with spellpower based on evoc+summoning skill. 00:05:12 ooh. 00:05:16 well there you go 00:05:24 things nobody ever (nice) 00:05:27 No prompt for breath attacks disliked by Dith by chris 00:05:37 I do nothing but summoners these days, but I didn't know that 00:05:44 predicting a [2] much like botono's 00:05:46 Basil: Something like that. Doesn't it already save the other return values? 00:05:47 (since it's not super useful anyhow if you have mass abjure) 00:06:15 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2340-g8df0fbc (34) 00:06:32 Oh whoops, I didn't notice that 00:06:36 Well even then it's the sum of evoc + summoning, so I'd just have summoning 00:06:49 thanks, that makes it more consistent with the existing code 00:10:28 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2342-g8aec01e: Allow training evocations when carrying the Elemental Staff 10(71 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8aec01e85e20 00:14:37 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:15:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:17:28 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:19:54 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Drowning in a sea of anguish] 00:20:30 Basil: does what you're working on also fix #7303? 00:20:45 !bug 7303 00:20:45 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7303 00:20:58 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Client Quit] 00:21:06 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:36 Last I checked, it did nothing when shooting poison arrows with TSO 00:21:42 so I doubt it. 00:23:10 I think gamma said that checking penancey things with beams would be a pain in the ass 00:23:22 for various reasons. 00:24:12 |amethyst proposed trying to do the pennance check in the tracer 00:24:50 It'd probably be kind of nasty to get that working, from what I can remember 00:25:21 -!- Somefellow has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 00:25:26 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:25:43 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:45 Yeah it's even complicated by the fact that, for venom, the only warning you currently get is the fact that a venom-branded weapon is red and there's an on-wield warning message 00:26:10 but pennance doesn't occur until the monster is actually poisoned; so you can hit them succesfully and not incurr pennance if poisong doesn't happen to trigger 00:26:50 I think it's basically the same situation with a demon weapon 00:27:05 except that any successful hit incurrs pennance 00:27:42 for the spit poison attack, bad_attack() doesn't (currently) know anything about the player's attack 00:27:55 in short it's just a mess all around to fix that 00:28:25 The whole tracer, target(t)ing, confirm, prompt, whatever code just needs a huge overhaul it seems. 00:28:41 There is a nice meta bug about all those issues 00:29:07 %bug 7071 00:29:07 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7071 00:29:17 yeah, it was a nightmare for jump; currently a bunch of special iteration checks in fight_jump to get all the warnings wrt danger, traps, conduct right 00:29:34 There are probably more issues that should be attached to that too 00:32:37 -!- maahes has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:16 so when will Cryp71c rewrite all of this 00:33:28 Large, friendly block of issues 00:33:36 Could we get a warning if using an evocable has a chance to piss off TSO? 00:33:43 heh, bottom report title 00:33:47 basically same issue 00:34:36 hrm, that should be fixable though... 00:34:38 hm #7245 sounds pretty related in what's causing this 00:34:53 (tso having stupid conducts is the actual bug) 00:34:57 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:35:01 oh, you mean 7244? 00:35:05 both! 00:35:21 ratio of times where this matters vs. times where it's an interface screw or worse is not good 00:35:43 so if somebody walked in here and proposed it to be added, we'd be like wtf no 00:35:53 I swear that TSO conduct was inspired by nethack's knight conducts 00:35:57 (which are also annoying) 00:36:16 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2340-g8df0fbc (34) 00:36:30 -!- master_j has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:44:38 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:44:50 -!- rchandra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:45:53 password (L19 FoDK) ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1068 failed. (where = (0,0)) (Shoals:1) 00:47:19 password (L19 FoDK) ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1068 failed. (where = (0,0)) (Shoals:1) 00:47:20 Medar: Almost finished with the fixes 00:47:30 Nice 00:47:31 just double-checking a few things before I re-submit the new patch 00:49:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:51:54 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:52:04 What's invisible, shoots lightning bolts and appears in swamp? 00:52:33 I don't know. 00:52:52 me neither. 00:53:00 bh: vapour 00:53:02 Oh, I was waiting for the punch line 00:53:05 vapour (11v) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 21-42 | AC/EV: 0/12 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 400 | Sp: b.lightning (3d16), melee | Sz: little | Int: plant. 00:53:05 %??vapour 00:53:15 gamma: ah-ha! 00:54:30 Phial might need a nerfing, I think. I killed Roka with a single phial blast with skill 9 00:54:46 He wasn't at max health, I assume 00:54:55 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:55:05 he was 00:55:15 Phial hit him, spawned two bros and they killed him 00:55:50 ...wow 00:56:01 Saint Roka (12o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 200 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 35 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(72) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 5756 | Sp: smiting (7-17) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 00:56:01 %??saint_roka 00:56:05 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:56:06 200 hp? 00:56:13 water elemental hits hard 00:56:24 water elemental (02E) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 6 | HP: 32-52 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 2212(engulf) | 11non-living, amphibious | Res: 13magic(immune), 10elec, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 212 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 00:56:24 %??water_elemental 00:56:51 admittedly used to be more, and i'm not sure how engulf works on monsters if it does at all 00:57:01 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:57:06 gammafunk: yeah. They massacred him 00:57:14 I recall that it does induce silence on them, not sure what else though 00:57:16 ??engulf 00:57:16 water elemental[2/2]: If you are engulfed and manage to blink from one square to another square adjacent to the same water elemental, you will remain engulfed. 00:57:26 ??water_elemental[1] 00:57:26 water elemental[1/2]: Hits somewhat hard, but is vulnerable to fire and normal speed on land. Inflicts the "Engulf" status, which is basically constriction for breathing species that prevents using spells and scrolls but can be 100% reliably escaped by moving. 00:57:47 constriction for breathing species.... 00:58:20 gamma: phial also sticks roka in shallow water 00:58:40 03blackcustard02 {Medar} 07* 0.14-a0-2343-gc2bc827: Confirm Portal Projectile attacks against allies etc. 10(12 months ago, 2 files, 47+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2bc827ef229 00:58:40 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-2344-g5885d96: Fix double "Okey, then." when canceling a throw 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5885d96ce7a5 00:58:53 yeah, still surprised all that from one evoc 9 phial blast added up to a dead roka 00:59:11 Medar: Care to take a look at my (pretty simple) wizard patch on mantis? 00:59:21 tenofswords requiested it 01:01:14 !lm bh 01:01:15 can i also request Medar to look at some patches :P 01:01:15 3697. [2014-01-30 04:00:11] bh the Severer (L18 DDNe) killed Saint Roka on turn 39859. (Swamp:2) 01:01:19 !lm bh -tv 01:01:20 3697. bh, XL18 DDNe, T:39859 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 01:01:24 Sorry, I only do 12 month old patches. 01:01:38 er. 01:01:40 Have to let them mature 01:01:42 I need to rewind that, right? 01:01:59 oh. there it is 01:02:56 yep. I didn't hit him once. 01:03:09 hahah 01:03:20 This patch has been aged to maturity! 01:03:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:07 but wait, those webtiles patches ... 01:04:52 oh then clearly #6468 might interest you 01:05:50 %bug 6468 01:05:50 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6468 01:07:37 I don't understand that config stuff, but if you say that's correct I can push it. 01:07:46 ... ChrisOelmueller 01:07:50 oh no i haven't looked at it 01:07:56 just was the first year-old patch i found 01:08:02 Heh. 01:08:16 It looks good at least. 01:08:20 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:08:21 Hrm, if I set the patch date to one year ago, will Medar merge it then? 01:08:26 But I'm getting tired, I'm talking to bots. 01:08:34 I recall it worked for Basil! 01:08:35 /nick ChrisOelmuell 01:09:08 %git vine_stalker 01:09:08 Could not find commit vine_stalker (git returned 128) 01:09:08 but yeah i'm also not into recoloring business like that 01:09:11 maybe it got deleted 01:09:18 %git :/[Vv]ine 01:11:09 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2159-g2beed7a: Make vine stalker enemies less of a dummy. 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 37+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2beed7a36fd5 01:11:09 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:11:09 was the branch vine_stalker or vinestalker 01:11:09 vinestalker 01:11:09 %git vinestalker 01:11:10 07Sage02 {|amethyst} * 0.14-a0-1734-gb23ec66: Make vine stalker bite's mana drain key off of current mana. 10(7 years ago, 1 file, 12+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b23ec668aaac 01:11:10 also went to sleep 01:11:10 night night Chei 01:11:10 shh, he's trying to understand the config stuff 01:11:10 dang, Cheibriados then just fixes all bugs over 1 year old, problem solved 01:11:18 Seven years 01:11:26 Haha 01:11:31 really ripened....on the vine... 01:12:25 Good things come to those who wait 01:13:36 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14:33 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Client Quit] 01:15:40 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Client Quit] 01:16:10 -!- gammafunk has left ##crawl-dev 01:16:23 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:16:50 Medar: How keen are you on seeing that penance bool being given a default value? 01:17:18 Is it really causing problems? 01:17:20 Because assigning a default to a reference bool seems sort of hard 01:17:32 Huh? 01:18:06 Oh, damn. Misunderstanding. Sorry. 01:18:35 I see now. I didn't mean it should have a default value. I mean the value should be set to false if the attack doesn't cause penance. 01:18:50 Just like the other two values are cleared at the start. 01:19:11 Does that make sense? 01:19:12 Oh I see 01:19:13 yes 01:19:32 Going to compile after that fix to make sure things seem alright 01:19:35 then the patch is going up 01:21:03 And then we wait 12 months 01:22:35 03blackcustard02 {Medar} 07* 0.14-a0-2345-gb8e70cc: Fix an example in the default configuration file. 10(10 months ago, 2 files, 16+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b8e70cca91d5 01:22:35 03blackcustard02 {Medar} 07* 0.14-a0-2346-gfb55b4f: Document initfile.cc a little bit better. 10(10 months ago, 1 file, 19+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb55b4fec7f7 01:22:37 -!- Naphistim has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:23 ChrisOelmueller: What the hell? I thought you said that was a year old. 01:23:28 What have I done. 01:24:00 rounding issue imo 01:25:02 Should be 10 months in a year anyway. Metric. 01:25:27 tick tock 01:26:59 -!- tkappleton2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:27:30 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:27:38 -!- Kaput has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:28:28 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:29:16 hmm 01:29:20 Summon Chaos Champion 01:31:54 mm, maybe Summon That Exploding Thing in Meatsprint would work better as a summoning spell than Summon Exploding Kobold 01:32:21 or rather, something that is good in melee, "durable enough", and has no rF 01:32:55 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:33:04 to discourage spamming the things as per tenofswords' wiki thing. 01:34:00 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:37:05 Make it survive the explosion and then become hostile. :P 01:43:33 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:45:28 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:45:51 Medar: yes 01:46:04 almost done with this silly perl script for Sequell 01:46:04 "id/unid item types and level items" is 3 letters too wide 01:46:22 heh, it does display fine in tiles, but there's a limit? 01:46:27 wasn't aware 01:46:59 yeah, 80 01:47:04 I guess "id/unid item types/level items" 01:48:27 second / could be a + or whatever 01:48:33 Yeah 01:48:37 yep 01:49:10 that limit would probably matter in webtiles or console 01:50:44 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:51:11 gammafunk: I guess it's pointless to set ident_type in the first loop? 01:51:22 I mean when looping over mitm 01:51:39 -!- ereinion has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:52:27 no, that makes the item identified 01:52:37 well, hrm 01:52:52 I'm going off of what the wizard_identify_pack() function does 01:53:10 I guess I don't know what the difference is 01:53:39 hmm 01:53:47 oh wait 01:53:54 yeah, that's the item "type" 01:53:59 versus the item's own flags 01:54:03 yeah I think you'd need both 01:54:11 Targetting a fireball so it would catch enslaved fire drakes and friendly mushrooms under fedhas 01:54:20 but you call set_ident_type for everything in the latter loop 01:54:21 is inconsistently displaying the penance warning. 01:54:33 need to fix that 01:54:52 Medar: Yes, I suppose that's true 01:55:15 Seems to work without that call anyway 01:55:32 Yeah, makes perfect sense that it would be redundant 01:55:59 hmm does butchering still swap weapons? 01:56:12 It shouldn't AFAIK 01:56:18 there is some code and a message for it but i am recalling that was ruined 01:56:30 maybe not all of it though 01:56:33 %git dd49da7c5f 01:57:21 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-1332-gdd49da7: Simplify butchery handling 10(8 weeks ago, 10 files, 22+ 280-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd49da7c5fad 01:57:39 03gammafunk02 {Medar} 07* 0.14-a0-2347-g4067f67: Add Wizard mode commands to identify/unidentify item types and level items. 10(3 days ago, 4 files, 44+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4067f67b7657 01:57:41 I remember lot of the associated code was cleaned up too 01:57:41 oh right, anyways 01:57:41 what i'm seeing often is ATTR_WEAPON_SWAP_INTERRUPTED in context 01:57:50 and the related lines in delay.cc around 400 01:58:19 oh right other weapon-swapping stuff exists 01:58:31 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: brb] 01:58:34 Medar: thanks for cleaning that up/merging 01:58:49 Took less than a year too 02:00:02 !tell tenofswords A wizard's gift in g4067f67 02:00:02 gammafunk: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 02:00:19 so basically this only does unmelding now? 02:00:35 delay code is scary, I don't know 02:01:11 altough should really implement interruptible eating... 02:01:29 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:01:45 why not make eating take one turn instead 02:02:32 because being starving in fight should actually be a problem 02:02:45 4.1 has half-eaten rations 02:02:54 Innovative 02:03:01 it's not one of the many great things about 4.1 if you wonder 02:03:06 well, there wouldn't be those, it would work the same as armour 02:03:20 you either eat it, or it remains the same 02:03:21 !lg elliptic ke killer=~rupert 02:03:22 1. hyperbolic the Reanimator (L12 KeWn), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, slain by Rupert (a +4,+4 dwarven great mace of holy wrath) on Lair:6 on 2010-07-17 01:12:46, with 22677 points after 16857 turns and 1:16:16. 02:03:25 !lg elliptic ke killer=~rupert -tv 02:03:25 1. hyperbolic, XL12 KeWn, T:16857 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 02:03:30 well i'm not sure how not eating the food but spending two turns on it is better 02:03:35 in the case you outlined above 02:04:05 it's not the let you get out of being starving in fights 02:04:24 it's about not being fucked because you are eating (and not starving) and a hydra walks around a corner 02:05:00 !lg minmay nabe killer=~hydra -tv 02:05:00 2. minmay, XL11 NaBe, T:9152 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 02:05:22 -!- myp has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:28 !nuke 02:05:29 FooTV playlist clear requested by Basil. 02:05:32 !lg minmay nabe killer=~hydra -tv -2 02:05:33 1/2. minmay, XL13 NaBe, T:15812 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 02:06:13 that was not eating 02:06:15 To be fair, that precise issue has since been fixed 02:06:48 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:06:49 but yeah okay then make it one turn of 20 aut 02:07:01 anything that does not use delay.cc is a huge improvement imo 02:07:41 same for wearing armour, surely there are other ways than the current one that still discourage body armour swapping in combat while not completely insane 02:09:23 the only reason except for the swapping in combat thing i can come up with is "realism" and that's a reason to remove it if anything 02:09:29 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Drowning in a sea of anguish] 02:11:35 how would you deal with armour then? 02:12:42 make every action 10 aut full stop but that's not something i'd get into crawl 02:13:29 well, that would certainly allow changing gear in battle 02:13:47 yes, i have no problem with this 02:13:50 others do though 02:14:12 so probably a weird compromise that's still better than status quo! like no armor switching with monsters visible and also shortening the duration? no idea 02:14:39 i don't get what's bad about armor switching when ring/weapon swapping is so heavily encouraged 02:15:18 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:31 hmm, yes, you'd think ring swapping would be fairly awkward ... 02:16:52 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2347-g4067f67 (34) 02:17:28 hmm 02:17:56 maybe crawl tradition counts as something 02:17:56 Medar, any chance you have an example of something that would demonstrate the multiple-targetting problem iwth my patch? 02:17:59 and undressing to victory dance spells 02:18:47 i've done that today so maybe seeing how the undressing part still is awkward (as opposed to the incredible list of things that aren't) motivates complaints, heh 02:19:06 SamB: please don't misunderstand, you won't hear a single "realism" argument from me even if we have a shortage of those now 02:19:08 Basil: I don't. Didn't that fireball Fedhas thing work 02:19:38 ChrisOelmueller: I keep forgetting about that 02:19:45 It is inconsistent 02:20:02 I mean I had a thought "wait ... why did I just think about realism?" and then promptly thought about realism again without noticing ... 02:20:05 but the stop_attack_prompt looks like it should work 02:20:21 if (victims.empty() || penancen && !penance) 02:20:21 adj = adjn, suffix = suffixn, penance = penancen; 02:21:16 so it should get the first monster, and the first penance-inducing monster after that 02:22:06 that does seem correct 02:23:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24:18 so I suspect that it's something weird with beams or explosions 02:24:22 I sort of hope. 02:24:47 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Quit: ₪₪₪-₪₪₪-₪₪-₪₪₪] 02:24:51 sounds rather likely all in all 02:26:20 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 02:26:49 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: dump] 02:30:56 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 02:32:41 oh 02:32:52 It's in the stop_attack_prompt that I wasn't working on 02:33:15 -!- Amy has quit [Client Quit] 02:33:22 the one that checks a single monster instead of a targetter 02:37:37 -!- bschlief has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:23 mm, this is getting dangerously close to beam.cc 02:38:38 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Drowning in a sea of anguish] 02:38:52 so something from there calls stop_attack_prompt for each square? 02:39:04 Not that I'm seeing 02:39:15 Hmm 02:39:16 which is the problem 02:42:04 =hi 02:43:15 -!- Z_LAMP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:43:36 -!- Funkell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:45 Shall we conduct the funkiest of experiments 02:43:51 Funkell, activate! 02:43:58 =gvault gammafunk_forest_yreds_foothold 02:43:59 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/forest.des;hb=HEAD#l958 02:44:26 don't run lg since it'll crash 02:44:30 =gvault temple 02:44:31 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/sprint/fedhas.des;hb=HEAD#l88 02:45:01 =gfunction stop_attack_prompt() 02:45:01 Couldn't understand () 02:45:04 =gfunction stop_attack_prompt 02:45:04 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/beam.cc;hb=HEAD#l4247 02:45:09 Funky 02:45:19 So what's it good for 02:45:41 it's intended purpose? 02:45:48 Which is 02:45:48 which is to linke to the git browser instead of pastebin 02:45:59 see for instance 02:46:01 Oh 02:46:06 !function stop_attack_prompt 02:46:15 Thought you just wanted a bot with your name 02:46:16 ...eventually 02:46:18 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/8681421 02:46:24 =gfunction wizard_identify_all_items 02:46:25 Couldn't find wizard_identify_all_items in the Crawl source tree 02:46:33 mm 02:46:37 hehe, that's too soon :) 02:46:39 old tree 02:46:44 since it's on my machine 02:46:54 =gfunction _maybe_identif 02:46:55 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc;hb=HEAD#l55 02:47:12 Neat 02:47:31 pita to get all that crap set up, but it should be nice 02:47:50 will have to get a github account and make a repo and ... 02:48:08 -!- Alpha502 has quit [Quit: Stars we were and stars we will be.] 02:48:32 mm 02:48:37 This beam stuff looks complicated 02:48:53 Die Funkell, you don't belong in this world! 02:48:55 =lg 02:48:56 Broken query near '=lg' 02:49:00 =lg . 02:49:00 Broken query near '=lg .' 02:49:03 dammit 02:49:19 Is your bot misbehaving? 02:49:23 it's not crashing 02:49:26 like it should 02:49:32 =learn add fun fun 02:49:33 I don't get what you mean.. 02:49:42 =lg * 02:49:43 Broken query near '=lg *' 02:49:51 this bot has a lot of nerve.... 02:50:01 well anyhow 02:50:03 I'm afraid it can't let you do that, gammafunk 02:50:04 mission accomplished 02:50:13 seriously, I'm scared to leave it running 02:51:59 -!- Funkell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:45 World is not ready for his funkyness 02:52:59 rip 02:57:13 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:58:03 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:59:01 Medar: penance-attack-3.patch is up 02:59:28 Fireball under Fedhas still acts weird 03:00:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:01:09 But I'm looking at a patch from 2010 03:01:31 !lg . 1 03:01:32 1/379. Medar the Grave Robber (L2 DrNe), slain by a hobgoblin (a +2,+0 short sword) on D:1 (onia_entry_pyramid) on 2011-04-09 09:02:50, with 41 points after 675 turns and 0:12:53. 03:02:12 Way before I even started playing :) 03:02:47 What does it do? 03:02:59 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:03:00 %git 786 03:03:00 Could not find commit 786 (git returned 128) 03:03:05 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:03:06 !bug 786 03:03:07 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=786 03:03:11 :P 03:03:41 mmm 03:03:58 Hope nothing conflicts 03:05:13 how does one determine the range of a rod 03:05:37 The zap that corresponds to it? 03:05:43 this'd be easier if those blasted multi-spell rods did not exist 03:05:45 Or spell or whatever rods use 03:05:48 Yeah, it's after the spell selection 03:05:54 ah that explains it 03:06:43 it_use3.cc 03:06:43 @@ -726,7 +726,7 @@ static bool _ball_of_fixation(void) 03:06:45 good 03:06:58 hahaha 03:07:14 it_use3.cc is pretty nice filename too 03:09:55 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:13:56 03Sage02 {Medar} 07* 0.14-a0-2348-g140b27c: Make warnings against penance-causing attacks more prominent. 10(4 hours ago, 5 files, 66+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=140b27ce5d3e 03:13:58 Removed the word attack from message when confused. And made two(?) really minor cosmetic tweaks. 03:14:38 Thanks for looking at the patch. 03:14:52 I'll take a crack at going through beam.cc in the morning, 03:15:05 Good luck with that 03:15:12 but if it's any consolation, I think it only affects that precise combination of fireball and Fedhas 03:15:40 I totally got Zin penance the other day because this patch wasn't in, so :) 03:15:47 Yeah, hardly the biggest beam issue 03:15:53 since the other gods that care get angered on ally betrayal in general, and Fedhas lets bolt of fire et al go through 03:16:12 Oh right 03:20:19 mm 03:20:29 I guess the next thing is to make Jiyva expose jelly shifters 03:20:59 "That death ooze looks suspiciously ungelatinous." 03:33:50 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:39:48 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:45:19 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:49:57 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:56:16 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:03:18 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:14:45 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 04:15:59 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:19:07 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 04:21:46 -!- y2s82 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 04:24:31 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:24:48 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:26:08 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:59:07 asanbosam (L11 VpEn) ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1068 failed. (where = (0,0)) (D:8) 05:03:15 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:07:34 -!- eirikdaude has quit [] 05:14:16 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:22 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:34:18 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:40:07 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:50 -!- Soadreqm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:46:26 Bravo, dpeg! Good mail! 05:46:26 Napkin: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 05:46:52 Napkin: hey, danke. Hat ne Weile gedauert, und mehrere Leute sind jetzt unzufrieden mit mir :) 05:46:53 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 05:46:59 !messages 05:46:59 (1/1) gammafunk said (11h 20m 14s ago): Nice post on CRD...glad we have someone with a cool head willing to weigh in on things like this. 05:47:12 aba nich gammafunk! 05:50:08 -!- Hailey has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 05:57:06 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04:35 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:09:30 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:10:24 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 06:11:38 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 06:13:33 I will install php5-apcu on CDO 06:13:48 let me know if there are any php related problems, please 06:15:05 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:16:23 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:30:20 Sar (L20 VSNe) ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1068 failed. (where = (0,0)) (Shoals:1) 06:41:40 Stairs drowned? by nubinia 06:41:40 Must log out in order to spectate properly by battaile 06:43:17 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:46:59 -!- Funkell has joined ##crawl-dev 06:47:17 =gsource ouch.cc 06:49:50 =source ouch.cc 06:50:43 -!- Funkell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:50:59 funkell's not here... 06:51:18 he'll be back real soon... 06:51:38 !tell ChrisOelmueller ok, you can remove them 06:51:38 wheals: OK, I'll let chrisoelmueller know. 06:51:59 -!- Turgon has quit [Client Quit] 06:54:25 Rise, my servant!!! 06:54:35 -!- Funkell has joined ##crawl-dev 06:54:39 Obey me!! 06:54:48 =gfunction bad_attack 06:54:49 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/misc.cc;hb=HEAD#l2199 06:54:56 =gsource bad_attack 06:54:57 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/misc.cc;hb=HEAD#l2199 06:55:37 well, that's basically it 06:55:54 just need to figure out where to send the patch... 06:56:01 =lg * 06:56:02 Broken query near '=lg *' 06:56:08 =learn add stuff stuff 06:56:09 I don't get what you mean.. 06:56:17 Don't get cute with me, Funkell 06:57:03 =cmdlist 06:57:16 =help 06:57:17 =help: Displays help on a command. For a list of commands, see !cmdinfo. 06:57:24 oh well 06:57:33 =help =gscource 06:57:33 =help: Displays help on a command. For a list of commands, see !cmdinfo. 06:57:39 =help =gsource 06:57:39 =help: Displays help on a command. For a list of commands, see !cmdinfo. 06:57:43 =help =gvault 06:57:43 =help: Displays help on a command. For a list of commands, see !cmdinfo. 06:57:51 He seems to be confused about the prefix thingy 06:57:59 !cmdinfo 06:57:59 !abyss !apt !cdefine !chars !cheers !cmd !cmdinfo !coffee !deathsin !echo !fn !ftw !function !gamesby !gkills !help !hs !killsby !kw !learn !lg !listgame !lm !log !messages !nick !rng !seen !send !skill !source !streak !tell !time !ttr !ttyrec !tv !tvdef !vault !won !wtf .echo 06:58:02 =cmdinfo 06:58:02 =abyss =apt =cdefine =chars =cheers =cmd =cmdinfo =coffee =deathsin =echo =fn =ftw =function =gamesby =gcdefine =gfunction =gkills =gsource =gvault =help =hs =killsby =kw =learn =lg =listgame =lm =log =messages =nick =rng =seen =send =skill =source =streak =tell =time =ttr =ttyrec =tv =tvdef =vault =won =wtf _echo 06:58:04 it's all hacked together in that source tree anyhow 06:58:10 =abyss Funkell 06:58:31 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:33 =cheers 06:58:47 huh, no module named yaml... 06:58:56 oh god, it's in *python* 06:58:57 christ 06:59:17 postgres/perl/ruby...now python 06:59:49 =coffee 06:59:50 * Funkell hands gammafunk a pot of caffè breve, brewed by Xom. 06:59:55 ty Funkell 07:02:01 =abyss gammafunk 07:02:08 -!- Furril has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:02:10 aq 07:02:12 aw 07:02:14 that's in python 07:02:15 for some reason 07:02:22 and I don't have python-yaml installed 07:02:31 well I'll make this patch and send it to ..whathisnamme 07:03:06 -!- Funkell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:03:17 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:05:10 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:30 dpeg: I didn't know you were in for the popularity. are you getting soft? 07:08:58 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:09:31 bhaak: not really, as you could see from my reply 07:10:20 too much diplomacy! 07:10:34 -!- Waterpls has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:10:50 ....says a Swiss :P 07:10:51 next time more german blitzkrieg strategy please ;-) 07:13:40 I understand that the Nethack people will crack jokes when Crawl loses devs, but I won't laugh. Only over Nethack's dead, rotten body. 07:14:50 you can tell them there is always a nice cozy spot for them at our place 07:15:03 this will either drive them mad or straight back to you :) 07:15:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:20:24 all of us are already mad, it is a condition of employment for Crawl 07:22:08 in this case, NetHack really has nothing to offer to Crawl devs 07:22:33 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:25:00 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:28:05 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:28 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:24 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:35:29 -!- buki has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:42:26 !tell tenofswords is having an invisible hill giant in Lab really a good idea 07:42:26 wheals: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 07:45:35 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:46:10 -!- HellTiger___ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:46:13 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:49:37 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:54:58 ChrisOelmueller: honestly, the only reason that I set up that github mirror of the crawl repo is because I wanted to see all the pretty graphs :) 07:55:25 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:55:40 ChrisOelmueller: https://github.com/bstrie/dcss-mirror/graphs/contributors weeeeeeeeeeeee 07:56:04 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 08:02:34 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:26 -!- Petela has quit [Client Quit] 08:06:06 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:38 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 08:10:46 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:14:52 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:11 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:31 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:19:23 -!- rfree has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:22:32 -!- Gretell has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:22:32 -!- Lantell has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:22:32 -!- varmin has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:22:32 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:22:32 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:22:32 -!- Napkin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:22:32 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:23:02 -!- neuwiz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:23:15 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:23:37 -!- greensnark has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:23:38 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:44 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:25 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:32 -!- Amy has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:24:39 -!- rfree has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:27 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:38 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:26:45 -!- Turgor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:26:45 -!- fearitself has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:26:45 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:26:45 -!- ddr_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:27:04 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:28 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:28 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 12:35:28 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 12:35:34 <|amethyst> %git 12:35:35 07tenofswords02 * 0.14-a0-2351-g34782b6: Buff deep elf demonologists; swap summon 5 for another summon 2/1 slot 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=34782b60dfff 12:36:28 hooray 12:37:20 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42:23 -!- montyb has quit [Client Quit] 12:44:07 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:54 -!- CyberSandwich has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:21 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:47:27 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:57 tenofswords, how is monster hp calulated? base_hp + scalar_number*HD? 12:53:23 (plus some fuzzing) 12:53:58 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:04 something like that? 12:54:29 Cryp71c: see the comment at the top of mon-data.h 12:54:34 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:20 hd, base hp per hd, extra random hp per hd 12:56:06 and specific hp for uniques 12:56:37 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:58:10 MarvinPA, thanks, I'll check that out. 12:58:45 Regarding SW's, I'm not sure if changing the HD to more accurate reflect their strength is worth the other (albeit small) changes necessary to keep their HP from getting a buff. 12:58:52 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 12:58:53 tenofswords, meant to have that @ you ^ 12:59:56 I'd rather not get into the spiral of what hd should mean without addressing basically every form of it and also probably rebalancing quite a few things 13:01:02 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 13:01:27 MarvinPA, can you think of anywhere important where HD is used other than in deriving things like hp, exp, mr, etc.? 13:02:26 orange rats and boggarts have no hd and thus add danger to weakling polymorph early on, likewise the giant hd on snails and slugs 13:03:29 mmm orange rats with more accuracy 13:04:49 hp, xp, mr, etc can all be modified seperately of hd; hd is most important for polymorph, shapeshifter's general potential grasp, spell damage, and accuracy more than any stats 13:06:50 resisting lots of things that don't check MR, ranged weapon damage/accuracy 13:07:14 also those yes there's bend space and bend time and confusing touch and meph and 13:10:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 13:10:39 gargoyle (159) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 13-31 | AC/EV: 18/6 | Dam: 10, 6, 6 | 11non-living, 10doors, fly | Res: 06magic(32), 10elec++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 142 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:10:39 %??gargoyle 13:10:54 shadow wraith (06W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 40-71 | AC/EV: 7/7 | Dam: 2013(drain speed) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(106), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 773 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 13:10:54 %??shadow wraith 13:12:59 minotaur (04H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 53-89 | AC/EV: 5/7 04(headbutt) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(52) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1088 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:12:59 %??minotaur 13:13:00 (sorry for using another "not really a monster") 13:14:15 shadow wraiths are autoexplore traps and you can't run away from them and they're spoilery 13:14:23 do they really need to exist anywhere at all 13:15:19 wheals, how do you mean autoexplore traps? 13:15:36 Something hits you. 13:15:45 not sure how all of those don't also apply to unseen horrors 13:15:57 unseen horror (06x) | Spd: 30 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-53 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 12 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(28) | XP: 732 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 13:15:57 %??Unseen horror 13:16:20 batty at least usually lets you go away 13:16:21 ...that's wierd, I thought invisibility was listed on monster lookup... 13:16:33 ??drain speed 13:16:34 I don't have a page labeled drain_speed in my learndb. 13:16:46 having more than one perma invisible monster seems bad 13:17:15 drain speed is a few turns of slow that checks having a single pip of rN, it's limited to wraith, shadow wraith, eidolon, and one of the klown brands 13:17:20 FR: SWs visibile but with a black-colored tile! 13:17:44 does that mean loros also have to die 13:17:51 tenofswords, not just movement slow, but actual full action slow? 13:17:57 full slow, yes 13:17:57 outside of hell? yes 13:18:24 wheals, "only one invisible monster outside of hell" seems to me to be a bit extreme, especially if the monster(s) in question are dissimilar enough. 13:18:28 outside of extended that would be... hmm, orb run and dedemonologists 13:18:52 ok i'm being a bit excessive and grumpy 13:19:06 wheals, that's just my opinion; take it with a grain of salt 13:19:19 (I'll consider removing them from labs in them being a bit excessive, sure, just be patient) 13:19:26 -!- CyberSandwich has quit [Quit: CyberSandwich] 13:19:49 are labs still the most (generally) dangerous timed vault (or whatever they're called)? 13:19:54 i guess i wouldn't mind them if they actually existed 13:19:56 portal 13:20:30 I would argue that position goes to either baileys or ice caves, and labs getting their buff was a very recent and unreliable thing 13:20:40 but they're in haunt and where else? 13:20:44 crypt 13:20:55 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:21:46 D oods, V, Abyss, all at rather lower weights 13:21:59 (not in tartarus's spawn set, really) 13:23:35 -!- sstrickl has quit [Quit: sstrickl] 13:24:25 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:25:31 baileys and ice caves are safer in that you can usually leave easily, though 13:26:12 well, yes, of course 13:26:21 in terms of threat versus player power, I meant 13:27:46 the change to demonologists does sound good! 13:28:20 (on a less grumpy note) 13:28:40 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:59 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29:20 if it's any consolation, if you can think of anything to replace your target of hate in http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/lab.des#l34 I'd change it) 13:29:45 wraith (16W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-46 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1313(drain speed) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(56), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 210 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:29:45 %??wraith 13:29:57 hm i guess not so dangerous on its own 13:29:58 minotaur simulacrum, clearly 13:30:08 minotaur skeleton (15z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 13 | HP: 76-107 | AC/EV: 0/0 | Dam: 31, 16 | 07undead, evil | Res: 06magic(17), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 268 | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 13:30:08 %??minotaur skeleton 13:30:46 !tell dpeg Did I use the wrong email-address? 13:30:46 xFleury: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 13:31:27 part of the problem is the range, i suppose 13:32:44 if it's further consolation I briefly considered rakshasa and boulder beetles before I came to my senses 13:33:45 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:30 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:37:24 lab boulder beetles sound a bit funny 13:38:49 sounds good 13:39:33 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:43:35 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:45:57 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 13:48:09 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:51:17 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:17 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 13:51:17 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:29 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:57:51 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:01:00 -!- BrokkR has quit [Quit: und weg...] 14:02:22 -!- Tarragon is now known as Basil 14:04:35 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:05:26 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:08:34 about as funny as That Vault 14:09:00 -!- CampinSam has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:09 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:10:47 !lg . map~~boulder 14:10:48 1. wheals the Magician (L9 HEIE), worshipper of Sif Muna, rolled over by a boulder beetle on D:7 (boulder_indie) on 2012-09-06 02:55:26, with 3387 points after 9460 turns and 0:41:30. 14:11:23 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:13:07 rip 14:13:07 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:15:30 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:47 !vault boulder_indie 14:16:48 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/8683337 14:17:02 gvault boulder_indie 14:17:09 =gvault boulder_indie 14:17:49 aw funkell's gone 14:18:09 uhoh... i think my crash log is either filling up cszo's disk or stuck spinning 14:18:21 <|amethyst> disk isn't full 14:18:46 phew 14:18:51 <|amethyst> johnny0: gdb is at 100% CPU though 14:19:37 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/johnnyzero/crash-johnnyzero-20140130-201629.txt 14:19:55 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:07 <|amethyst> probably a lot of stuff on the stack to backtrace, since it seems to be doing a bunch of PEEKTEXT 14:20:12 johnnyzero (L15 DESu) (Abyss:1) 14:20:24 ahh there we go 14:20:25 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:20:28 unless you killed it 14:20:32 <|amethyst> killed gdb by hand :) 14:20:39 <|amethyst> !lm johnnyzero crash -log 14:20:40 12. johnnyzero, XL15 DESu, T:30598 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/johnnyzero/crash-johnnyzero-20140130-201629.txt 14:21:36 -!- Funkell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:07 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 14:27:14 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:41 |amethyst: Somehow a monster not getting is base type set? 14:37:00 I see the return NULL in get_monster_data; you probably know what's happening here way better than I 14:37:02 -!- tatara has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:37:27 that return looks like it should be an assert... 14:37:42 =abyss gammafunk 14:37:43 gammafunk casts a spell. gammafunk is devoured by a tear in reality! 14:38:15 oh, so abyss is reality's bowels 14:38:25 wonder how I didn't notice that before 14:38:42 =gsource get_monster_data 14:38:44 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc;hb=HEAD#l2850 14:38:53 tenofswords: I made that work, not sure if you cared about it or not 14:40:07 ??funkell 14:40:07 oh right, thanks 14:40:07 I don't have a page labeled funkell in my learndb. 14:40:07 I don't have a page labeled funkell in my learndb. 14:40:21 ...ops 14:40:26 net to stop that 14:40:29 *need 14:41:54 how on earth is it responding to ??... 14:42:13 ??? 14:42:14 I don't have a page labeled ? in my learndb. 14:42:14 I don't have a page labeled ? in my learndb. 14:42:22 * nonethousand slaps Funkell 14:42:40 =learn add test test 14:42:40 I don't get what you mean.. 14:42:55 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:44:16 tobias funkell, robotic analyst / therapist 14:44:17 ??hi 14:44:17 I don't have a page labeled hi in my learndb. 14:44:17 I don't have a page labeled hi in my learndb. Did you mean: di, fi, ha, hd, he, ho, hp, hs, hu, hw, mi, ti. 14:44:26 ??test 14:44:27 I don't have a page labeled test in my learndb. 14:44:27 test[1/45]: /crawl 14:45:14 ??ti 14:45:14 I don't have a page labeled ti in my learndb. 14:45:14 throw icicle[1/1]: A 4th level Ice/Conjuration spell. Throw Icicle casts a single-target projectile of high-velocity ice, doing mixed cold and physical damage. 40% of the damage can be mitigated by cold resistance. 3d20 at max power. In the Book of Frost. 14:45:19 oh. 14:45:22 ??enchantments miscast 14:45:22 I don't have a page labeled enchantments_miscast in my learndb. 14:45:22 enchantment miscast[1/1]: 1: corona / random uselessness 2: curse / slowing / berserk 3: 3x curse / paralysis / confusion / 0-18 glow. Charms and Hexes miscasts still use the old Enchantment miscasts. 14:45:31 I really have no idea why it's responding to ?? queries, if anyone else does though... 14:45:41 hmm, hmm 14:45:55 it's a built-in apparently 14:46:07 see commands.rb#25 14:46:12 I wonder if through using also Sap Magic and -MR the two schools could finally be split 14:46:22 both still keeping glow of course 14:46:22 ChrisOelmueller: wow, this thing is just filled with all kinds of bad hackery 14:46:23 and used in 50-something 14:46:35 imagine that 14:47:06 what, a project using only ten or less languages at once has hacks? 14:47:17 heresy 14:47:18 ??sap magic 14:47:19 sap magic[1/1]: A fixed-70%-chance line-of-fire hex from {warmonger}s. Worsens overall spell success with each spell cast, according to that spell's level. A single cast of fire storm (level 9) makes success go from 3% to 11%, but a single bolt of fire (level 6) goes from 4% to 7%. 14:47:19 I don't have a page labeled sap_magic in my learndb. 14:47:25 is sap magic what fedhas uses 14:47:44 it's representing antimagic without being just -mp 14:47:48 made by Real Programmers, not Quiche Eaters 14:48:08 ...ugh, just got that pun 14:48:17 why not just use the djinn thing? 14:48:19 ??-mag 14:48:19 -mag[1/1]: Djinn-only: chance to fail to cast spells, losing the turn and MP, but with no miscast effect. 14:48:20 I don't have a page labeled -mag in my learndb. 14:48:51 did not realize that existed 14:48:57 learn add dj 14:49:02 -!- Funkell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:49:07 oh can dj be removed now 14:49:08 because of that, yes 14:49:23 -!- Funkell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:27 ??test 14:49:27 test[1/45]: /crawl 14:49:27 I don't have a page labeled test in my learndb. 14:49:30 grrr 14:49:37 -!- Funkell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:50:18 -!- Funkell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:20 ??test 14:50:21 test[1/45]: /crawl 14:50:21 I don't have a page labeled test in my learndb. 14:50:29 i only knew about it from looking at the commit log, i've played maybe three djinni 14:50:37 -!- Funkell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:53:48 -!- Funkell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:49 ??test 14:53:50 I don't have a page labeled test in my learndb. 14:53:50 test[1/45]: /crawl 14:54:03 -!- Funkell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:45 hmm, I wonder if I should be replacing this on-the-same-tier-as-greater-demon summoning miscast of small abomination with a large abomination or a worldbinder 14:55:58 ??summoning miscast 14:55:59 summonings miscast[1/1]: 1: 5-13 dmg / spatial vortex / imp 2: 2-4 spatial vorts / common demon / 2-3 lesser 3: abomination / greater demon / 2-3 common / banish / hostile malign gateway 14:56:03 wow 14:56:13 same tier as malign gateway and banish too 14:56:35 tenofswords: clearly they should summon exploding kobolds. 14:56:35 will that large X then be slow usually 14:56:38 -!- Funkell has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:40 ??test 14:56:41 test[1/45]: /crawl 14:56:41 I don't have a page labeled test in my learndb. 14:56:47 fair point, chrisoelmueller 14:56:50 -!- Funkell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:56:52 worldbinder (10x) | Spd: 14 | HD: 8 | HP: 28-51 | AC/EV: 12/4 | Dam: 8, 8 | 11non-living, 10doors, sense invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(64), 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 514 | Sp: forceful invitation | Sz: small | Int: animal. 14:56:52 %??worldbinder 14:57:20 Hellbinder (05@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(106) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3247 | Sp: sum.minor demon, sum.demon, haste, hellfire (3d20), blink away | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 14:57:20 %??hellbinder 14:58:00 also if there's any resistance to it I want to change that title since top summons do not exactly include solely demons 14:58:12 erm, if there isn't 14:58:26 !lg * tso title=hellbinder 14:58:27 4. VolteccerJack the Hellbinder (L27 TeSu), worshipper of The Shining One, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-12-16 00:38:18, with 1302692 points after 128703 turns and 10:21:01. 14:58:32 !lg * tso title=demonologist 14:58:33 2. eeviac the Demonologist (L27 DrSu), worshipper of The Shining One, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2012-07-04 17:58:26, with 1321883 points after 127966 turns and 6:37:55. 14:58:53 is that a yes or a no 14:58:58 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:00:03 -!- Funkell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:06 ??test 15:00:06 test[1/45]: /crawl 15:00:07 I don't have a page labeled test in my learndb. 15:00:15 -!- Funkell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:19 "maybe" 15:00:39 i like worldbinder as a master title 15:00:49 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 15:01:48 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:55 if only theworldbinders weren't so weak 15:02:01 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:07 stupid ynoxinuls 15:04:56 -!- Funkell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:58 ??test 15:04:59 test[1/45]: /crawl 15:04:59 I don't have a page labeled test in my learndb. 15:05:06 this thing is ridiculous 15:05:17 this sounds like a job for... ##crawl-sequell 15:05:22 -!- Funkell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:29 yes it does 15:05:47 -!- gnum has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06:53 \join ##crawl-sequel 15:07:18 ##crawl-prequel 15:08:55 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:06 trying to stop self from putting fire vulnerability and poison vulnerability into corresponding miscast areas 15:09:10 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:10:38 -!- Foamed has quit [Client Quit] 15:11:42 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:11:46 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:13:45 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:17 |amethyst: Would you like to try using this new version of source.pl for Sequell? 15:17:34 you might need to contact greensnark for Sequell updates 15:18:59 -!- stabwound_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:43 -!- stabwound_ has left ##crawl-dev 15:20:51 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21:41 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:22:20 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:30 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:29 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:27:46 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:27:48 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:27:49 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:27:51 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:27:53 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:27:55 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:27:58 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:28:00 ... 15:28:01 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:28:04 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:28:07 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:28:07 ok man ok 15:28:13 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:28:34 I wonder if the game should somehow tell online people that there's a report automatically sent to ##-dev 15:28:40 after a crash 15:31:38 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 15:37:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:59 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:38:25 tenofswords: I think Medar is working on at least a simple crash display for webtiles 15:42:34 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:09 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:48:51 EightySix (L15 FoFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit return_from_shoals[99] didn't get generated. (Shoals:1) 15:49:43 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:00:15 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:23 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03:37 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:14 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:05:27 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:05:33 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:09:41 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:45 Your deep troll shaman calls upon NO GOD to speed up your deep troll. 16:10:00 no gods or kings, only shaman 16:11:15 <|amethyst> FR: instead of "NO GOD" it print "Athe" 16:11:17 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:17 good fr 16:15:37 simm (L13 VSAM) ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1068 failed. (where = (0,0)) (D:13) 16:15:41 hmm 16:15:46 i killed a manticore and then that happened 16:16:09 ??barbs 16:16:09 manticore[1/2]: Slow, late-D and Shoals threat. Good melee, has finite ammo of flung barbs, which deal damage with every movement when embedded into a target. Moving enough or standing still for bit will remove the status. 16:16:15 oh no someone deleted my entry 16:16:22 maybe it is in [2] 16:16:24 ??barbs[2 16:16:25 barbs[2/3]: stand still i guess 16:16:27 good 16:16:47 i died to a manticore because i didnt know barbs was a new thing and then it killed me because i ran away instead of standing still 16:16:48 simmarine: Were you at the edge of the map? 16:16:53 Basil: no where near 16:17:19 !lm 16:17:20 10352. [2014-01-30 22:15:35] simm the Cruncher (L13 VSAM) ASSERT(in bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1068 failed. (where = (0,0)) (D:13) 16:21:11 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:26:37 -!- somethingGreen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:13 <|amethyst> aha 16:32:24 <|amethyst> if the monster dies to the barbs 16:34:03 -!- eith|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:02 -!- eith|3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:35:45 what monster? my fedhas mushroom? 16:38:22 neil (L5 HuFi) ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1068 failed. (where = (0,0)) (D (Sprint)) 16:39:11 there goes our neil... 16:40:55 Say, would it be alright to prevent Dith shadow from mimicking OOD, or would other behaviour be preferable? 16:42:44 can you get an ood explosion from that? 16:42:51 seems like you might 16:42:58 apparently you do 16:43:06 !bug 8030 16:43:06 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8030 16:43:13 that's just no good at all 16:43:18 yes 16:43:52 fr grand avatarization of shadow 16:44:04 of course the report is...Jazzimus 16:44:07 *reporter 16:44:14 Never met an OOD he didn't like 16:44:20 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:44:57 So that said, just preventing it seems like the simplest and most effective solution 16:45:04 since OOD aiming is sort of wonky 16:46:15 Dith doesn't mimic evocables, right? 16:46:31 I've had shadow mimic |inacc 16:46:38 oh no, that's not good then 16:46:43 Not sure about phial and such 16:46:51 he shouldn't be mimicing cards I think... 16:47:18 orb card mimic would be exciting indeed 16:48:51 <|amethyst> You tear a hole in reality! You are sucked into the universe of Boggle. Type to begin... 16:50:21 ug, not to mention the conduct problems I'm getting with dith when a flame card comes up... 16:50:52 hmm i want to wiztest legendary orb and dith now 16:51:13 I'm trying it, but I'm not seeing shadow mimics 16:51:23 perhaps that's been checked for... 16:51:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:51:23 also you can always cancel deck attacks so fire isnt a big problem 16:51:27 hmm 16:51:35 Well, if Orb card casts the OOD spell 16:51:47 then my patch would prevent mimicking that 16:51:50 maybe ornate destruction? 16:52:05 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:52:12 i assume the iood cluster card is a different spell effect so it probably doesnt get mimicked or something 16:54:26 Well, my one-line patch is up 16:55:01 just for OOD, so it might warrant some tweaking 16:55:03 Looks like decks go through zap et al and not yourspells 16:55:23 if a list of sad spells is created. 16:55:48 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2352-g7e7b4d2: Don't crash when a monster dies to barb damage. 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7e7b4d2297e9 16:55:59 cool 16:56:48 By the way, can't cancel power-2 orb 16:56:52 not sure about power-1 16:56:55 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:57:48 That said, I've used it ~10-15 times and Dith hasn't mimicked it yet 16:57:57 yeah it uses zapping 16:57:59 not your_spells 16:57:59 so, |inacc and such have actualy spells, right? 16:58:01 so it won't trigger 16:58:04 Good 16:58:14 |inacc shouldn't work either 16:58:26 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:58:34 Your shadow mimicks your spell! 16:58:34 The narrow beam of energy hits the worm. 16:58:54 inacc dith sounds pretty good 16:59:07 ah 16:59:08 also why cant you cancel legendary orb? i thought you still have to target something 16:59:10 SPELL_BOLT_OF_INACCURACY, 16:59:11 I see why 16:59:13 it goes through books 16:59:18 heh, that's just weird 16:59:37 it should be consistent with other evocables 16:59:42 so that too should be disabled imo 16:59:47 simmarine: If you Esc it fires off however many unaimed OOD 16:59:54 i thought it didnt, weird 16:59:55 instead of one aimed OOD and the rest unaimed 16:59:56 I think 17:00:24 i thought all the iood were aimed but they just spawned curved so they wouldnt collide in a turn 17:00:24 yeah so the rod situation is also silly 17:00:33 i take it dith doesnt mimic other rod attacks? 17:01:05 Aiming: Throw Frost 17:01:06 Press: ? - help, Shift-Dir - straight line 17:01:06 _Your shadow mimicks your spell! 17:01:12 he'd imitate anything monster targetted 17:01:19 Aiming: Freezing Cloud 17:01:19 Press: ? - help, Dir - move target cursor 17:01:19 _Your shadow mimicks your spell! 17:01:28 the problem is that he doesn't imitate other evocables 17:01:31 That is a lot of freezing clouds 17:01:32 so it's inconsistent 17:01:50 rods go through the book casting mechanism which goes through your_spells 17:02:08 anythingn through your_spells gets mimiced 17:02:20 mmm 17:02:26 provided it is monster targeted, of course 17:02:30 So, do any other spells do nasty things with Dith? 17:02:37 Pretty sure enchantments were fixed 17:03:05 does he double haste you? i casted haste yesterday on a simulacrum and it double hasted it 17:03:20 it doesn't mimic self-targeted spells 17:03:31 MarvinPA: do you think dith should continue to mimic rods? 17:03:33 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:03:39 anyway imo the fix to this is to make it like battlesphere instead of directly mimicing spells 17:03:39 he doesn't other evocables, so it's a bit weird 17:03:58 probably not, that's easy to fix (the same way battlesphere does it also! :P) 17:04:19 MarvinPA: So, just have a little shadow-buddy floating off to the side? 17:04:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:04:41 I think he means it fires a generic beam 17:04:49 Oh 17:04:49 i mean like, conjurations just fire some "shadow" beam, yeah 17:04:51 fah 17:05:12 likewise for melee and ranged attacks, no clue about hexes 17:05:32 %git :/nsorcel 17:05:33 07DracoOmega02 * 0.13-a0-1849-g4e0959e: Don't have monsters try to cast sleep on already sleeping targets 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e0959e06e6e 17:05:39 what if it didn't mimic what you were doing, just took a random action 17:05:41 daze beam or something 17:05:56 like, it can cast confuse, fire a shadow beam, or melee something near you 17:06:09 that sounds annoying if you're trying to EH stab 17:06:25 well, i guess it wouldn't react in that case 17:07:09 that seems sort of neat flavourwise in that your shadow takes on a life of its own or whatever, not sure how easy it would be to get working nicely though 17:08:49 for hexes that could only happen if your own action didn't work 17:09:27 makhleb shadow 17:09:29 but yeah, might be hard to have sensible list of spells etc. 17:14:36 it could also have the old uhm 17:14:46 "doesn't wake stuff up" property 17:14:50 like refrig used to have 17:14:55 on some of its actions 17:15:05 and use those if the target is asleep 17:17:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:18:27 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:18:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:32 -!- mizu_no__ has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:21:49 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 17:27:49 sponge (L17 FeBe) (Vaults:4) 17:28:15 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:28:38 MarvinPA: Good idea using colour for the penance prompt btw. 17:28:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:28:43 !crashlog * 17:28:44 6156. sponge, XL17 FeBe, T:56973 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/sponge/crash-sponge-20140130-232746.txt 17:29:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:29:48 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:32:08 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:33:23 -!- MakMorn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:46:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:53:33 -!- Thomus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:54:43 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:55:03 fr: change the colors on the race/background selection screens so that non-recommended combos aren't darkgrey 17:55:17 since in most contexts that means "impossible" 17:55:30 instead of just "kinda suboptimal" 17:56:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:50 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:01:54 that varies a lot 18:02:07 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 18:02:11 there a bunch of non-recommended combos that are easier than recommended ones 18:02:12 I only play webtiles. is there a list somewhere that shows what letter each monster is? 18:02:30 ??glyphs 18:02:31 glyphs[1/1]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html 18:02:41 roughly, that 18:02:48 Ty wheals 18:02:55 or mon-data.h 18:03:36 yea I was looking in mon-data too 18:03:38 or tile_display_mode=glyphs :) 18:03:59 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:04:06 but was hoping for a summary more like the link above. which is pretty great 18:04:21 Does anyone have strong opinions on how to free up 'H'? 1kb had proposed to move bird people (tengu + harpies) to 'Q', which I made a patch for 18:04:30 |amethyst: hi do you have some seconds to regenerate glyph overview again for demonspawn and new lair stuff? 18:04:48 what's H used for after the matter? 18:04:50 I keep having this patch in my asterion branch, but it's a pain when I have to tweak something 18:04:53 Hybrid 18:04:54 ??H 18:04:54 I don't have a page labeled H in my learndb. 18:04:56 oh well 18:05:04 manticore, sphinx, minotaur, hippogriff, griffon, 18:05:05 you could also move shedu and make asterion white 18:05:06 like i've also proposed moving ice/sky beast to E 18:05:07 every color is currentlly taken 18:05:23 but dracoomega's thing of making @ less crowded would also be nice 18:05:36 wheals: He's a priest of Makhleb, so that's perhaps not the best choice, but... 18:05:36 do the glyphs often change? 18:05:43 but tengu on Q sounds okay 18:05:50 that sounds potentially confusing 18:05:51 harpies i'd keep on H personally 18:05:53 tenQu 18:06:08 oh right 18:06:17 or you could make him darkgrey! 18:06:22 hehe 18:06:32 I wonder if I should be doing that commit right now instead of... sewers and zot entries 18:06:35 Yeah I can see leaving harpies on H 18:07:25 I guess I couldl see ice beasts on 'E', but sky beasts... 18:07:28 they leave a corpse 18:07:48 that said, 'I' hardly makes sense for them 18:07:49 right that's why i asked whether you had plans that required an empty glyph 18:08:02 bIrd people 18:08:03 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:13 and blocking both I and E for the few monsters in it isn't that useful 18:08:20 No, I just need a free H color for Asterion 18:08:22 my panlords are on I but i assume that would not go through 18:08:26 well, that was the original motivation 18:08:37 "clearly pan lords go on 7" 18:08:43 but that is trees :( 18:08:57 probably nobody'd be enraged about tengu on Q is what i'm trying to confirm here 18:09:14 i think a lot of people have it already, too 18:09:16 rename to Qenqu?? 18:09:18 it is nice since we have a full "race" there 18:09:21 screw trees 18:09:27 tenofswords: if only 18:09:32 tengu go on t, duh 18:09:42 let the alligators eat them 18:09:43 gargoyles go on 8 and then pan lords are 9 18:09:44 alligator snapping reaver 18:09:48 "the upside-down demonspawn" 18:10:06 why are orcish idols clay golems btw 18:10:06 are ds really 6s 18:10:08 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:10 demonspawn (076) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-46 | AC/EV: 3/13 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(24) | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 195 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 18:10:10 %??demonspawn 18:10:12 yes, sorry 18:10:15 ugggggh 18:10:19 move something to '*'; I like how it goes from giant spore....to orb of destruction...to orb of fire 18:10:28 * is _full_ 18:10:36 % 18:10:38 in that the first '*' you're likely to see is a spore ,the next very well maybe be an oof 18:10:47 ood 18:10:58 yes, but you may not see one! 18:11:00 ball lightning! battlesphere! prism! 18:11:00 tentacles 18:11:04 BATTLESPHEREs are * 18:11:06 well, true 18:11:10 yes like I said * is full 18:11:14 there's actually an ancient patch doing something weird to tentacles 18:11:23 move something to _ 18:11:27 -_/\ 18:11:33 ChrisOelmueller: ancient beyond imagination? 18:11:37 old shadows are the worst 18:11:38 wheals: yes 18:11:47 i'd be interested in shaping that up for this century but please somebody else do it for me 18:11:47 was it written by the Great Old Ones for their tentacles 18:11:49 or like nethacks ghosts, just a ' ' 18:11:59 old shadows are the worst 18:12:12 wheals: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2067 18:12:13 i guess \ is unues by default 18:12:23 portals 18:12:29 i like the different color thing there btw 18:12:40 just not with those colors obviously 18:12:55 but two alternating similar ones could be an improvement 18:13:15 different colours seems weird 18:13:32 does the kraken really have colour-coded tentacles 18:13:40 tenofswords: Do you have a move for 'H' you feel strongly about? I can make a patch or just assume it'll get moved soon 18:13:57 hate having to cherry pick this 'Q' think each time I change something 18:14:06 gammafunk: if there's anything I feel strongly about it's the older thing to finally clean up @ 18:14:20 e.g. move p over to W and then non-unique @ to p 18:14:37 p and W merge sounds good 18:14:47 MarvinPA said he'd do that 18:14:50 does sound nice, yeah 18:14:52 a year ago or so!! 18:15:10 lies 18:15:12 %git vinestalker 18:15:12 07Sage02 {|amethyst} * 0.14-a0-1734-gb23ec66: Make vine stalker bite's mana drain key off of current mana. 10(7 years ago, 1 file, 12+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b23ec668aaac 18:15:17 sometimes things sit for 7 years 18:15:40 also i think st_ might already have 'p'eople in his rc somewhere 18:15:53 that is not a good excuse imo 18:16:07 k good very very easily be moved into y 18:16:12 s/good/could/ 18:16:22 marvinparc approved 18:16:28 then put tengu in k 18:16:32 and name the kengu 18:16:43 move qwarfs to g 18:16:52 i have a, B, and k all merged 18:16:59 and some of y i think 18:17:03 they all fit on k 18:17:10 but blowflies and bumblebees and polymoth and 18:17:19 the hundred mosquitoes and 18:17:22 midges 18:17:27 ??midge 18:17:28 I don't have a page labeled midge in my learndb. 18:17:29 those were not on k or y 18:17:29 midges on H obv 18:17:38 fr af_blink_other for midges 18:17:38 what were midges then 18:17:43 5 18:17:53 oh, i thought they were an insect :v 18:18:05 1learn add midge 18:18:10 taxonomically speaking, they are "crappy demons" 18:18:27 well good, glad we're decided and I get to keep cherry picking this commit then. At least I do the 'keep harpies on H' thing. 18:18:28 shit golems? 18:18:46 redundant statement 18:18:55 no worse than toenail golems 18:19:05 can recommend to just put stuff into branches then never again look at it ever 18:19:10 easier than picking at least 18:19:15 why not just put minotaurs on Y 18:19:35 or c 18:19:40 centaur, yaktaur, mintaur 18:19:44 huh 18:19:48 that actually make sense 18:19:49 I think at this point we need fewer suggestions, not more :p 18:20:23 fauntaur, satyrtaur 18:20:38 nessotaur 18:20:41 if one of my suggestions is making sense, you might need to cut back on the medication 18:20:57 removing toenail golems sounded good imo 18:21:17 clearly magically revamp them 18:21:26 ontoclasm: Ever think about how a 'glyph tile for monster with no tile' system might work? 18:21:32 like, uh, af_confuse because they're covered in fungus 18:21:35 Would be nice but maybe just too confusing 18:21:38 replace them with crap golems and put them in sewer 18:22:24 we could put tengu on b 18:22:31 !abyss wheals 18:22:31 gammafunk casts a spell. wheals is devoured by a tear in reality! 18:22:32 gammafunk: well it would look weird, but it'd be strictly better than the big question marks 18:22:50 Yeah, that was my thinking 18:22:58 it's a lot of extra stuff in the png though 18:23:08 -!- CrazyArbalest has quit [Client Quit] 18:23:11 well, could it just be actual text? 18:23:26 Yeah perhaps; webtiles glyph mode must be likek that... 18:23:33 yeah 18:23:41 Medar: Could we have webtiles show glyphs for mosnters with missing tiles? 18:23:47 LIke in webtiles ascii mode 18:24:14 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:28 I prefer coloured ?s 18:24:41 No idea how much work that would be. 18:24:44 The glyphs could be colored 18:25:04 I'll try to remember to investigate later. 18:25:28 but actually kind of a good point; might be simpler to have colored ? tiles 18:25:37 colored ?s would be trivial to make 18:25:42 -!- robotcentaur has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:53 oh, i was also thinking of a rather ambitious project 18:25:56 Not sure that it really helps the displayer that much 18:26:10 which i sort of started already 18:26:39 of making a complete alternate set of tiles 18:26:48 probably at a smaller resolution 18:27:47 what's the goal? 18:27:58 easier to read on small screens 18:27:59 android? 18:28:08 e.g. android, yeah 18:29:12 how are the resolution on newer phones anyway? 18:29:35 boski (L21 SpEn) ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1068 failed. (where = (0,0)) (Vaults:5) 18:29:44 wondering if it makes more sense, to make same size tiles but with cleaner features 18:29:53 if the pixel depth is just bigger 18:30:09 they have really high resolutions 18:30:22 so yeah, maybe the same size would be good 18:30:38 the main thing is that the pixels are so small that detail just sort of disappears 18:30:50 makes sense 18:31:00 so these would be more stylized and probably only one solid color on black 18:31:32 -!- Zeor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:31:40 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:32:37 I assume making something scalable (vector graphics) for such small features wouldn't work? 18:32:53 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:32:59 probably not very well 18:34:03 yeah, svgs perform very poorly at extremely small resolutions 18:34:11 sadly 18:34:20 well, vectors in general 18:35:02 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:37:16 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:30 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:40:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:43:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:47:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:48:30 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:48:39 -!- keyd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:49:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:50:06 is there a fancy smancy summary of the unique coverage? i.e. %chance for each unique to appear per place? 18:52:24 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/uniques.des 18:53:03 Would be neat to have some kind of spreadsheet for that 18:53:41 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:54:32 thanks Medar 18:54:48 agreed gammafunk. 18:55:04 -!- Zero is now known as Guest7455 18:55:12 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:37 also something to show chance of generating each monster across each depth of a branch based on latest mon-pick-data.h 18:56:31 but I'm not sure if that's how e.g. tenofswords thinks about balancing the pop_* anyhow 18:56:43 -!- AlsoZeor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:58:53 it's an imperfect thing due to vaults and natural OODs 18:59:54 mongen_sim in wiz mode 19:00:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:07 it's not _that_ hard to replicate one of my spreadsheets 19:06:14 <|amethyst> tenofswords: ISTR it took two of us to get all the formulas working :) 19:06:43 ahem 19:06:44 -!- dck has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 19:06:54 _now_ it's not _that_ hard to replicate these spreadsheets :P 19:06:59 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:07:18 <|amethyst> ah, you mean "duplicate" :) 19:07:22 yes 19:10:10 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:12:13 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:12:24 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:58 -!- speedy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:20:33 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:21:14 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:23:57 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:35 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:27:34 * Grunt is having more slightly-less-than-serious unrand ideas. 19:27:40 by the way, ontoclasm, it'd be pretty good to have a "black mark" icon 19:27:52 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-2353-gdfd5e57: Buff demonspawn enemy melee damage 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dfd5e5797ce0 19:28:03 important to know if that executioner is now vampiric and can slow you or eat your mp 19:28:32 the +2 gloves of the Apothecary {rCorr rF+ rC+ Acc-3 Dex-3}, resembling a pair of oven mitts; the +1 chef's hat {Gourm rF+} 19:28:42 Grunt: Planethreader 19:28:42 (exact resistances to be massaged) 19:28:53 * Grunt fires a bolt. The bolt hits Basil! Basil is devoured by a tear in reality. 19:28:59 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:29:05 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Massage.png 19:29:31 * Grunt gestures. The great blast of fire engulfs Bloaxor! 19:29:42 grunt, would tridents count as giant cooking forks 19:29:43 * Bloaxor completely resists 19:29:56 tenofswords: depends; can we get spoons to go with them? 19:30:11 renamed maces? 19:30:13 ??ankus 19:30:13 I don't have a page labeled ankus in my learndb. 19:30:18 Grunt: If you're in a mood to merge new content.... 19:30:50 i'm afraid i can't let you do that, steve 19:31:49 Grunt: Bohemian Ear-spoons? 19:32:00 they're even both polearms 19:32:07 |amethyst: Do you know how e.g. Lantell are configured not to respond to ?? 19:32:29 <|amethyst> gammafunk: they're not based on sequell 19:32:34 ah 19:32:42 <|amethyst> gammafunk: they're based on sizzell, which is based on gretell 19:32:45 haha 19:32:58 <|amethyst> https://github.com/neilmoore/sizzell 19:32:59 Any way I could make my version of sequel respond to something else? 19:33:08 in fact 19:33:11 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:14 -!- Bloaxor is now known as Darthmangoes 19:33:20 what are you doing there grunt 19:33:23 practicing fire 19:33:27 <|amethyst> you should be asking this stuff in ##crawl-sequell probably 19:33:29 <|amethyst> I'm not sure 19:33:29 you know what i think about fire 19:35:53 -!- Guest7455 is now known as Zeor 19:36:12 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/alt.png 19:36:28 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:36:36 ontoclasm: interesting 19:36:55 retrocrawl 19:36:57 what does the blue one say 19:37:04 nothing 19:37:15 atm it's intentionally nonsense 19:37:19 mm ok 19:37:22 i guess i could make it mean something 19:37:22 crawl alt, you say? 19:37:30 JOINCO 19:37:32 crawlt 19:37:36 !send tenofswords Local Global 19:37:37 Sending Local Global to tenofswords. 19:37:55 it should clearly say 19:37:57 TROG 19:38:00 DOOR 19:38:03 <_< >_> <_< >_> 19:38:11 TROG DOOR 19:38:20 feature request: lugonu gets a (one-time-per-floor, blocks corruption use) local global invocation 19:38:38 %git :/Frances 19:38:38 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-2335-g48446ad: Move Frances shallower 10(24 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=48446ad2b224 19:39:03 She is very shallow. 19:42:09 grunt I am testing a black sun in a zig setting and shadow dragons are slowing the fire vortexes 19:45:16 LaconicLad (L1 VSMo) (D:1) 19:45:28 !crashlog laconiclad 19:45:29 No milestones for laconiclad (crash). 19:45:39 !crashlog * 19:45:40 6157. boski, XL21 SpEn, T:66104 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/boski/crash-boski-20140131-002933.txt 19:45:57 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:46:12 !lm LaconicLad crash -log 19:46:13 1. LaconicLad, XL1 VSMo, T:354 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/LaconicLad/crash-LaconicLad-20140131-014515.txt 19:46:34 does the black sun wash away the rain? 19:47:13 down the drain, perhaps 19:50:08 <|amethyst> won't you come, won't you come 19:52:27 cool, greensnark merged Funkell...<_< 19:52:50 ...what the funk 19:53:07 !gvault okawaru_arena 19:53:32 a little early for that... 19:53:37 mm... 19:53:51 we need a server where the game is played in very colorful comics sans 19:53:52 ok... 19:53:59 and the bot is called Pastell 19:54:35 oh, and if only we could run a version of crawl built entirely in a functional language........ 19:54:49 <|amethyst> Currell 19:54:59 Haskell, but thanks for playing 19:55:03 <|amethyst> Named after Hasky Currell of course 19:55:17 ah 19:55:33 a crawl card game, Frecell 19:55:38 <|amethyst> Lambdell 19:55:45 Bechdell 19:55:47 I maintain that if I ever host a Crawl server the bot will be Lemuell. 19:55:49 <_< 19:56:00 <|amethyst> Name it after the guy who runs the server s-z.org (not crawl.s-z.org) is on, Wendell 19:56:04 Haskell 19:56:25 <|amethyst> ontoclasm is behind the times 19:56:29 rip Wenzell 19:56:29 presumable Wendell would have no relation to Wenzell 19:56:33 dammit 19:56:39 a server in pennsylvania 19:56:42 nijas 19:56:42 Schuylkell 19:56:51 <|amethyst> Fishkell 19:56:52 libertybell 19:56:58 >.> 19:57:00 <|amethyst> tacobell 19:57:00 i usually am 19:57:05 I can see why this is the dev channel 19:57:10 <|amethyst> heh 19:57:15 greensnark: Devell 19:57:16 You could go for less polite bot names. 19:57:17 Gotohell 19:57:18 <_< 19:57:32 personally, I'm waiting for http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/scale_small/3/31838/2390763-killthosesquads.jpg 19:57:42 ##crawl-dev: 100% serious 19:57:59 !vault okawaru_arena 19:57:59 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/okawaru_arena.des;hb=HEAD#l81 19:58:07 oh 19:58:08 <|amethyst> greensnark: btw, do you have mod permissions on C-R-D? 19:58:09 we need to make a bot purely to convey messages to each other when we're not here 19:58:12 Bangtell 19:58:13 hooray 19:58:18 |amethyst: No 19:58:26 dpeg might 19:58:33 (if anybody gets the link I'll push shadow fiend zig) 19:58:50 what's also cool is 19:59:01 !source rltiles/mons/boggart.png 19:59:02 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mons/boggart.png;hb=HEAD 19:59:15 dang 19:59:17 404 is cool? 19:59:24 just have to get that right... 19:59:41 !source rltiles/mon/nonliving/grand_avatar.png 19:59:41 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/nonliving/grand_avatar.png;hb=HEAD 19:59:42 !source rltiles/mon/boggart.png 19:59:42 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/boggart.png;hb=HEAD 19:59:48 chukamok (L15 MuNe) ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'misc.cc' at line 1068 failed. (where = (0,0)) (D:13) 19:59:52 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: brb] 19:59:53 no s 20:00:13 !ource 20:00:23 * Grunt gestures. rchandra is flash-frozen! 20:00:27 fr: !force 20:00:29 !force 20:00:35 * tenofswords whistles 20:00:54 * Zannick gestures. gammafunk was the chosen one! 20:01:00 -!- NeremWorld has quit [] 20:01:12 gammafunk falls into the lava! The lava burns gammafunk to a cinder! 20:01:15 grunt: indeed it is now back below freezing after an insanely warm couple of weeks 20:03:02 Lom Lobon (12&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 360 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 4012(antimagic) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 10433 | Sp: ice storm (10d13), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range / ice storm (10d14), conjure ball lightning, major healing, tornado, blink range | Sz: Large | Int: high. 20:03:02 %??lom lobon 20:03:14 !lg * ikiller=~lom 20:03:15 181. LoliLover the Tengu Blade (L27 TeBe), worshipper of Dithmengos, blasted by Lom Lobon (great blast of cold) in Pandemonium (lom_lobon_spiral_st) on 2014-01-16 05:27:34, with 706055 points after 56791 turns and 7:34:24. 20:03:19 !lg * ikiller=~lom_lobon 20:03:19 !source ../docs/options_guide.txt 20:03:20 16. LoliLover the Tengu Blade (L27 TeBe), worshipper of Dithmengos, blasted by Lom Lobon (great blast of cold) in Pandemonium (lom_lobon_spiral_st) on 2014-01-16 05:27:34, with 706055 points after 56791 turns and 7:34:24. 20:03:20 Bad filename: ../docs/options_guide.txt 20:03:20 !source remove_tornado_clouds 20:03:22 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/cloud.cc;hb=HEAD#l1484 20:03:32 Stairs drawn as a wall by 1old3 20:03:55 !source game.js 20:03:55 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/game.js;hb=HEAD 20:03:57 If this changes, please remove this function. For 20:03:57 1490 // example, this approach doesn't work if we ever make Tornado a monster 20:03:57 1491 // spell (excluding immobile and mindless casters). 20:04:09 gammafunk: Now make it find the right directory automatically 20:04:10 lom statue 20:04:39 gammafunk: And then, world domination 20:04:42 <|amethyst> does it work by using ctags or by parsing the source itself? 20:04:51 <|amethyst> because ctags-exuberant supports javascript 20:04:54 surely I should be closer to world domination 20:05:01 It does a very simple string match 20:05:06 -!- Furril has quit [Client Quit] 20:05:11 considering... 20:05:12 and I didn't make that part 20:05:38 !source receive_game_client 20:05:40 Couldn't find receive_game_client in the Crawl source tree 20:05:41 basically some one-off rules for what looks like a function, a define, or a vault header name 20:05:54 yeah, it's C++ centric 20:08:37 !source webserver/static/scripts/client.js:922 20:08:38 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/webserver/static/scripts/client.js;hb=HEAD#l922 20:08:52 about the best you can do 20:09:45 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09:49 "sorry" 20:10:20 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-2354-g67a49dd: New Zig Set: negative energy! 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=67a49ddb5e53 20:10:23 making !source look for a filename match wouldn't be too bad, though 20:10:28 (I'm not sorry) 20:11:28 1learn add hangedman I'm not sorry 20:13:32 yeah, I can't think what you'd use for function names in javascript in general ... 20:14:06 even the cdefines don't work well anyhow 20:14:14 !cdefine #env 20:14:14 Couldn't understand #env 20:14:19 !cdefine env 20:14:20 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/env.h;hb=HEAD#l2 20:15:08 !cdefine you 20:15:08 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/player.h;hb=HEAD#l758 20:15:45 you (the real you) 20:16:13 const player you; 20:16:28 well if it hits the right file at least, now you can maybe find what you were looking for... 20:16:44 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:42 shambling mangrove (04P) | Spd: 8 | HD: 13 | HP: 74-107 | AC/EV: 13/3 | Dam: 41 | 03plant, amphibious | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 942 | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 20:17:42 %??shambling mangrove 20:17:53 hrm. The description doesn't say anything about rN 20:18:43 can always assume all plants do 20:20:15 ??vinestalker 20:20:16 vinestalker ~ vine stalker[1/1]: Parasitic vines. Player race in 0.14 with powerful bite which leeches mana and applies antimagic, starts with regen I (gets II and III at XL 6 and 12), spirit shield, +1 MP. -3 HP, can't restore HP with potions or wands (Gods and regeneration in general work). 20:20:59 (unless you're a plant) 20:21:25 :) 20:22:52 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:24:37 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 20:25:00 ??lm 20:25:00 milestone[1/4]: Milestone fields: v, cv, name, race, cls, char, xl, sk, sklev, title, place, br, lvl, ltyp, hp, mhp, mmhp, str, int, dex, god, dur, turn, nrune, urune, time, type, noun, milestone, game_id. game_id points at the game owning the milestone, to see the corresponding game use !lg * id=<1245>. game_id may be null. 20:25:12 !lg bh roka 20:25:12 No keyword 'roka' 20:25:21 !lg bh milestone=roka 20:25:21 Unknown field: milestone 20:26:29 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:30:17 !lm bh unique=saint_roka 20:30:18 13. [2014-01-30 04:00:11] bh the Severer (L18 DDNe) killed Saint Roka on turn 39859. (Swamp:2) 20:30:38 tenofswords: ^ you should watch that tv 20:30:41 -!- HappyPonyLand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:31:32 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all!] 20:33:30 -!- Darthmangoes has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 20:34:09 !lm bh uniq=~roka -tv:<3:x1.5 20:34:10 13. bh, XL18 DDNe, T:39859 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 20:35:07 tenofswords: the important part is where the phial one-shots Roka. 20:35:25 just getting a view on the character itself! 20:36:14 mmmm 20:36:48 bh: with that description I expected "The flood of elemental water hits Saint Roka. You kill Saint Roka!" 20:37:09 rare but possible even in arena without the original blast 20:37:17 (and with shallow water) 20:37:55 mmm, 9-90 20:41:54 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:47:21 Grunt: yeah. Not that exciting 20:54:56 -!- robotcentaur has joined ##crawl-dev 20:54:59 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:55:07 ettin (07C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 48-83 | AC/EV: 9/4 | Dam: 45, 45 | 10items, 10doors, two-weapon | Res: 06magic(48), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1129 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 20:55:07 %??ettin 20:55:24 !send bh yeti 20:55:25 Sending yeti to bh. 20:55:30 derp 20:55:34 yettin 20:56:05 two-headed yeti 20:56:54 two-headed hill giant (07C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 48-83 | AC/EV: 9/4 | Dam: 45, 45 | 10items, 10doors, two-weapon | Res: 06magic(48), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1129 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 20:56:54 %??ettin name:two-headed_hill_giant n_rpl 20:58:57 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 21:03:26 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:57 -!- N78291 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:19 every withered plant on the forest crypt ending seems to have a vampiric weapon under it 21:05:41 why did you have to report that 21:07:03 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:07:39 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:41 tenofswords: good work!!! 21:08:43 <_< 21:08:58 goddamnit it 21:09:13 do you feel you at least got a good reward for doing crypt 21:09:39 wow 21:09:40 good bug 21:09:48 haven't did anything aside from enter and see like 10 vamp weapons 21:09:49 !source crypt.des 21:09:49 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/crypt.des;hb=HEAD 21:10:03 !vault crypt.des 21:10:03 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/crypt.des;hb=HEAD 21:10:05 !source dat/des/branches/crypt.des 21:10:06 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/crypt.des;hb=HEAD 21:10:30 you know, I blame the lack of standards kept for kfoo glyphs 21:10:36 I swore I thought it'd be P and not f 21:11:39 68 vampiric weapons sounds 21:11:42 not bad 21:11:55 You feel a dreadful hunger. x68 You have starved to death. You die... 21:12:07 fr: vampiric avatar 21:12:11 68-headed ogre player race? 21:12:13 wields 68 vampiric weapons at once 21:12:14 seems to be a lot of DD and elf zombies now 21:12:33 pity you have to outdo draconian moat for it to qualify as an epic bug 21:12:44 N78291: I'm betting that's my fault, seeing as elves and deep dwarves (and necromancers) are the only living guys that spawn naturally in crypt. 21:12:47 I guess because they are the only zombifiable things that spawn in crypt now 21:13:03 (deep elf death mages, deep dwarf death knights) 21:13:12 imo you shouldve collected all of the vamp weapons first 21:13:14 rip death dwarfs 21:13:23 Probably Crypt should get assigned special handling to generate zombies of all sorts? 21:13:27 why can branches still not specify their own zombie lists and so on 21:13:34 not just crypt, also some hells etc 21:13:36 yes, that one sounds like the best plant 21:13:38 i feel like it should still belong in epic bug 21:13:53 ChrisOelmueller: hrm, that explains some things 21:14:03 imo the standards for epic bug should remain high 21:14:16 yes i dont think it should go in "epic bugs" but its a good bug 21:14:28 68 top/nearly top vamp weapons seems pretty epic 21:14:54 it sort of pales in comparison to 300 draconians 21:17:08 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-2355-gc815b64: Don't place 68 vampiric weapons in evilmike_haunted_forest 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c815b6443080 21:17:11 MarvinPA: D:9 Gloorx Vloq 21:17:11 (no, not on the orb run) 21:17:11 personally I think the best epic bug is still "whoops a chunk of the game's monster power was secretly weakened for years" 21:17:11 hurry up, chei 21:17:11 how did d:9 gloorx vloq happen? 21:17:11 tenofswords: which one of those 21:17:11 enum error 21:17:11 G-Flex: an enum hiccup. 21:17:11 tenofswords: haha which was that 21:17:11 %git HEAD^{/0 damage} 21:17:11 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2079-gaed014c: Demonspawn blood saint: Legendary Destruction and support spells. 10(10 days ago, 19 files, 258+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=aed014cc4cf4 21:17:11 ??epic_bugs[9] 21:17:11 epic bugs[9/11]: DracoOmega * 0.13-a0-338-gd5b758e: Fix all monster attack flavours inflicting 0 damage 21:17:11 monster attack flavors did zero damage for years? that doesn't sound right 21:17:11 it was a year or so 21:17:11 I feel like it would be extremely obvious if 0.12 simulacra didn't do freezing damage 21:17:11 it was pretty obvious stuff like foo beasts werent doing damage 21:17:11 you would think so but apparently not 21:17:11 like i remember tabbing d:2 ice beasts and thinking something was off 21:17:18 -!- Turgor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:17:20 or the fact that sky beasts didnt do anything threatening 21:17:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:27 definitely some people vaguely commented on it but clearly it wasn't extremely obvious! 21:17:39 ??goodforum[2 21:17:39 goodforum[2/2]: Has anyone else noticed ice beasts doing less damage than normal in the latest trunk? Seriously, they can hardly hurt high-AC enemies anymore. Summon Ice Beast is now near-useless as an anti-hydra and anti-bee weapon now, and it's easily outperformed by CCF. 21:18:03 was that at the time? 21:18:10 ??goodforum 21:18:10 goodforum[1/2]: I should have known better, that strategy came from the wiki 21:18:18 yes, also it was originally put in badforum 21:18:28 dracoomega seems good at discovering things broken for years 21:18:31 like harold 21:18:32 because irc didn't see how right it was! 21:18:51 wow how did that thing end up in goodforum 21:18:52 MarvinPA: exactly! 21:19:04 (I told him of Harold being weird but it took... an hour? to find out how it was broken) 21:19:22 what was wrong with harold? 21:19:29 ??harold 21:19:29 harold[1/2]: A human bounty hunter. Spells: bolt of fire, blink. Uses throwing nets. Pretty unimpressive otherwise. 21:19:36 ??harold[2] 21:19:36 harold[2/2]: @The_monster@ asks, "Do you mind if I name my boat the '@player_name@'? Your head will be paying for it, after all." @player_only@ 21:19:36 do you remember him using those nets 21:19:43 nope 21:19:46 waitwaitwait 21:19:55 that's because it was broken for the last few years 21:20:00 hahahaha 21:20:03 !learn edit harold[2] s/.*/Harold asks, "Do you mind if I name my boat the '$nick'? Your head will be paying for it, after all." 21:20:03 harold[2/2]: Harold asks, "Do you mind if I name my boat the '$nick'? Your head will be paying for it, after all." 21:20:06 ??harold[2 21:20:06 harold[2/2]: Harold asks, "Do you mind if I name my boat the '$nick'? Your head will be paying for it, after all." 21:20:08 dang 21:20:13 I need to remember how this works <_< 21:20:34 i think '$nick' might not worj 21:20:37 there's also the whole fear and mesmerize stuff recently 21:20:55 !learn edit harold[2] s/'/"/g 21:20:55 harold[2/2]: Harold asks, "Do you mind if I name my boat the "$nick"? Your head will be paying for it, after all." 21:20:58 ??harold[2 21:20:59 harold[2/2]: Harold asks, "Do you mind if I name my boat the "Grunt"? Your head will be paying for it, after all." 21:20:59 ??harold[2 21:20:59 harold[2/2]: Harold asks, "Do you mind if I name my boat the "wheals"? Your head will be paying for it, after all." 21:21:01 There we go. 21:21:02 <3 21:21:13 so N78291, did you actually find any good vamp weapons 21:21:23 baxe and glaive are pretty good vamp weapons 21:21:24 tenofswords: aren't they a predefined list 21:21:28 yes 21:21:36 I have 55 of them apparently 21:21:39 I don't know if he can use them! 21:21:42 tenofswords: btw, I cleared Crypt recently (cryptofortress). TSOite, so the only thing he really got out of it was exp and enough gold to buy a decent suit of armour he saw earlier. 21:21:49 great mace and great swords too 21:22:07 grunt: you clearly got piety, you didn't need an item incentive 21:22:09 does crypt ending have some guaranteed vamp weapon now 21:22:14 I had doom knight show up too 21:22:16 it's, err 21:22:17 tenofswords: I walked into Crypt with 6* piety >_> 21:22:31 grunt: free xp since tso, then 21:22:38 why is quick blade twice as likely 21:22:55 crypt rules are in http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bad0f68e464bf2ee85f13be75d4b5535d44d101f 21:22:57 it's the only highest-tier weapon in vamp, too 21:23:06 ... 21:23:08 -!- Grujah has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:23:29 "whoops I may have copied it from the kitem a bit above it" 21:23:36 headaches, headaches 21:24:19 actually i wonder how much better vamp qblade is than vamp sabre 21:25:10 I don't remember seeing an evoker or rod unless box of beasts counts 21:25:13 fr something inbetween quarterstaff and lajatang so I can give it vamp 21:25:28 halfstaff 21:25:31 <_< >_> 21:25:35 n78291: you probably got doom knight as the second "gift" 21:25:52 or is that one of anything on the evocable list, not one of each grouping? 21:26:12 probably, did you see a staff? 21:26:45 the evocables list should have been a stack 21:27:17 i think i got grunt_crypt_end_deaths_head before and never figured out what it was... 21:27:28 probably easier to get the joke in tiles 21:27:42 tiles comes with a minimap, yes 21:27:49 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:28:06 I don't remember a necro book either... probably this would be easier if I hadn't sacrificed everything 21:28:22 you got enough extra gifts!!! 21:29:15 oh never mind, I can't read, doom knight was the second one 21:29:57 I'm still thinking about changing that whole set 21:31:18 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-2356-gc3eaa25: Don't double the chance of vamp quickblades in Crypt:$ 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c3eaa25662d0 21:31:20 one top-tier unreliable-enough-in-weapon-class weapon of drain/pain/vamp, one book/evokables stack, one jewellery or unrand 21:31:20 (and then I will combine blade with crypt and elf and dis or something) 21:34:43 okay, yeah, further investigation shows that any vault in crypt (including Crypt:$) placing just a zombie or whatever gets only dwarves and elves 21:35:20 so somebody go write the base code for explicit per-branch zombies so I can shove in everything appropiate for crypt/geh/coc/tar/dis 21:35:55 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:35:59 I had a giant amoeba zombie in crypt too, seemed kind of odd 21:35:59 (unless all dragons supposed to be horrible people and it's a dwarven crypt or something) 21:36:18 outside of vaults Crypt gets an explicit "place from anywhere" thing 21:36:30 Well, the hell thing is a problem too. 21:36:35 I'm pretty sure you can't raise them yourself though 21:37:20 random guess: it was a shapeshifter zombie 21:38:48 hells need to have player zombies 21:39:15 !lg * killer~~the_felid_zombie 21:39:19 2. TNDRNSS the Scratcher (L5 FeBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by TNDRNSS the felid zombie (animated by a shadow imp (summoned by Eustachio)) on D:4 on 2011-09-29 00:03:20, with 492 points after 3709 turns and 0:23:28. 21:39:28 ...wow, it happened more than once! 21:39:31 !lg * killer~~the_felid_zombie 1 21:39:33 tar should have spectres 21:39:36 1/2. autorobin the Gouger (L13 FeBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by autorobin the felid zombie (animated by an orc high priest) on Orc:4 (st_orc_pillars) on 2011-03-31 21:24:27, with 46034 points after 29477 turns and 0:14:57. 21:41:17 the hells lists are arbitrary messes but I will address that after the zombie list thing 21:42:09 ...oh, I just had a stroke of inspiration. 21:42:19 * Grunt goes to code. 21:43:07 (Problem: how to assign branches that don't need a zombie list the same behaviour they have now? Solution: assign the normal monster list as the zombie list.) 21:43:18 for example, spawns wise: dis has a chance for brimstone fiend, gehenna has a chance for brimstone fiend, neither cocytus or tartarus have any chances for fiends as random spawns 21:43:59 what't the theme of dis, anyway 21:44:02 iron 21:44:18 "iron and also any general hells guys maybe" 21:44:37 tenofswords: is the goal of antaeus flash freeze to enable melee or to be damaging in its own right? what's the actual damage formula? 21:44:48 -!- tgs3 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:44:53 ackack: damaging more than melee 21:45:10 well, damaging and also supportive, he still comes with fiends 21:45:29 yes fortunately i had cleared most of those out first, i just teled when the one i hadn't showed up and tried again later 21:45:59 it does hit pretty hard, i had 46 ac and rC++ and i think my flash freeze hits were like 20, 20, 40, 50 21:47:39 it's partially irresistable and antaeus has a bunch of hd 21:48:43 -!- William has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:50:50 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51:35 why is it partially irresistable? 21:51:39 (I don't know much about the spell) 21:52:00 ??flash freeze 21:52:00 flash freeze[1/1]: A conjuration on Antaeus in 0.14 and a random chance per {blood saint} {legendary destruction} cast. Needs only line of fire and ignores EV, partially irresistible cold damage, decently hurts. Gives a Frozen status that slows the targets movement for three turns, but also blocks flash freeze being cast on said target. 21:52:32 Antaeus (11C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 700 | AC/EV: 28/4 | Dam: 7512(cold:22-65), 3012(cold:22-65) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 10elec++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: flash freeze (66d1), b.lightning (3d25) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 21:52:32 %??antaeus 21:52:32 ??blood saint 21:52:32 blood saint[1/1]: 0.14 Makhleb/Vehumet Ds enemy class. Bad health and melee, casts {ephemeral infusion} and {legendary destruction}. 21:52:53 ice is weaker than it could be and the spell was originally intended for some cocytus monsters that would give cocytus something besides torment and af_cold as threats 21:53:06 what is flash freeze supposed to actually be though 21:53:11 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:53:15 "hellfrost" 21:53:17 it's like 3 turns of -swift and a buncha damage 21:53:25 or that sure 21:53:32 ackack: I'm not asking what its mechanical effects are 21:53:33 just like 21:53:36 conceptually, what /is/ it 21:53:39 oh 21:53:42 cold 21:53:43 you're being frozen over 21:53:50 if it's just cold then why is it partially irresistable 21:53:53 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:56 * SamB does not recall playing as a body of water 21:54:02 cell damage 21:54:13 cell damage (from cold) 21:54:20 humans are mostly water 21:54:21 because suddenly being covered in ice heavy enough to slow movement 21:54:42 if it's throwing ice at you then I get that 21:54:47 because ice hurts 21:54:47 chills you so fast you don't think to use your rC 21:54:51 hahaha 21:55:13 but from the name and the effects it seems like it's /just/ a freezing effect, which makes it counterintuitive that it partially ignores rC 21:55:53 it's counterintuitive that fire storm and ice storm partially ignore those too 21:55:58 well, there's, uh 21:56:16 Antaeus throws ice at you. The flash freeze hits you! You partially resist. 21:56:22 partially resist 21:56:24 ackack: not really for ice storm 21:56:40 (throws ice, eurgh) 21:56:40 "throws ice at you" makes it sound like it's just stronger throw icicle 21:57:04 throw flash freeze 21:57:14 -!- tgs3 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:57:16 that particular case is due to the default cast for some things being throw 21:57:19 throw titanic icicle 21:57:23 hmm 21:57:51 or rather, throw Titanic iceber 21:57:52 it's like being frostied in secret of mana 21:57:52 g 21:58:00 hahaha 21:58:06 made an unseen horror with fire storm, message is: 21:58:08 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:58:24 "The unseen horror throws magma at you. A raging storm of fire appears! The great blast of fire engulfs you! 21:58:35 throws magma? 21:58:43 I don't remember that from fire storm using monsters 21:58:45 ??magma 21:58:45 I don't have a page labeled magma in my learndb. 21:59:01 lava orcs rejoice 21:59:13 it's only when something doesn't have a message ready 21:59:17 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:20 I'll change it later 21:59:22 the Snowman Antaeus (11C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 700 | AC/EV: 28/4 | Dam: 7512(cold:22-65), 3012(cold:22-65) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 10elec++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: ice storm (10d15) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 21:59:22 %??antaeus name:the_Snowman n_adj spells:ice_storm;ice_storm;ice_storm;ice_storm;ice_storm; 21:59:22 So with current code, zombies/skeletons placed randomly as crypt monsters are completely random; those generated as bands are in vaults are dwarves or elves. 21:59:25 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:27 * Grunt struggles to figure out what's causing this. 21:59:28 oops 21:59:35 unknown monster: "antaeus n_desc" 21:59:35 %??antaeus name:the_Snowman n_desc spells:ice_storm;ice_storm;ice_storm;ice_storm;ice_storm; 22:00:17 Antaeus the Snowman (11C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 700 | AC/EV: 28/4 | Dam: 7512(cold:22-65), 3012(cold:22-65) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 10elec++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: ice storm (10d15) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 22:00:17 %??antaeus name:the_Snowman n_suf spells:ice_storm;ice_storm;ice_storm;ice_storm;ice_storm; 22:00:28 huh, was the storm thing fixed? 22:00:35 Cerebov (05&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 650 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Dam: 60 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(168), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15000 | Sp: fire storm (8d16), iron shot (3d36), haste, sum.greater demon / fire storm (8d17), iron shot (3d36), haste, sum.greater demon | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 22:00:35 %??cerebov 22:00:40 oh, apparently not 22:02:16 the storm thing has existed for a while now 22:02:21 ik 22:02:26 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:03:11 ...aha, _place_assorted_zombies() 22:03:22 I'll leave this alone for now until we figure out what zombies we do want to place in crypt. 22:05:29 I'll just kick out what I have so that other people can write monster lists. 22:06:57 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2357-g08548d2: Functionality for branch zombie lists (currently unused). 10(3 minutes ago, 4 files, 55+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=08548d2bf3d0 22:06:59 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 22:07:09 oh hello chei 22:09:01 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 22:12:10 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:14:50 Grunt: [04:10:11] wheals: that's not a chei bug, it is 66d1 22:14:52 re flash freeze 22:14:59 (presumably this is a crawl bug rather than a chei bug) 22:15:04 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:15:13 I'll punt to the designer to figure out what the damage is *supposed* to be. 22:17:33 hmm 22:17:46 Would four spectral +3 vorp demon whips be excessive? 22:18:01 ? 22:18:59 Thinking over an artefact dwhip 22:19:10 * Grunt ponders what he did with Spellbinder. 22:19:21 for a second i thought you were talking about asterion 22:19:22 basil: would they be evoked or passive? 22:19:26 multiple spectral weapons... 22:19:30 Generates one per hit 22:19:38 does the damage sharing work normally? 22:19:45 short-lived enough such that you can only ever have 8 while finessed 22:19:48 that sounds pretty excessive yes 22:19:49 "Cat O' Nine Tails" 22:19:52 ??asterioj 22:19:53 I don't have a page labeled asterioj in my learndb. 22:19:57 ??asterion 22:19:57 I don't have a page labeled asterion in my learndb. 22:20:12 did anyone buff freezing wraiths 22:20:14 ??astaire 22:20:15 I don't have a page labeled astaire in my learndb. 22:20:20 freezing wraith (12W) | Spd: 8 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 1912(cold:8-23) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(42), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 139 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:20:20 %??freezing wraith 22:20:24 fr that 22:20:34 MarvinPA: Four, or eight while finessed? 22:20:53 6 while hasted? 22:20:54 either 22:21:00 (Finesse? Hah! Time to rip out guts!) 22:21:35 What number would be not-excessive? 22:21:54 probably one? 22:22:03 %git :/Sniper 22:23:33 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-455-g15fdb53: Join Snakebite with Sniper, blowgun Assassin, Accuracy and LCS. 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=15fdb53f75a8 22:23:33 hmm 22:23:33 demon whips are pretty good, could do it on a weak base type if you really want to do mass spectral weapons somehow maybe 22:23:35 Well, I intentionally proposed a low-brand dwhip 22:23:54 could I get away with +0, or should I consider a morningstar with the same effect instead? 22:25:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:34 i think even a +0 demon whip with multiple spectrals is likely to be sort of silly, i guess you could fsim it against a highly enchanted one with no spectrals to compare or something 22:25:58 dunno if fsim works with spectral weapons 22:27:32 -!- Turgor_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:27:35 It doesn't 22:27:36 . 22:27:46 It's explicitly ignored in the spectral weapon code. 22:27:59 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:28:06 Probably fairly easy to fix though! 22:28:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:31:29 in the killed monsters list, would it make sense to collapse all jobless draconians and demonspawn into one category in the same way that all jobbed ones are? 22:39:02 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:39:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:39:02 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:39:02 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:39:03 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:39:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:39:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Changing host] 22:39:03 -!- conted has quit [Changing host] 22:50:57 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:53:00 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:59:13 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2358-gd3235aa: Don't shadow mimic rod spells 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3235aa2e9f5 22:59:13 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2359-g1e808ab: Give Flash Freeze a better damage calculation 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e808ab244e4 23:04:00 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:06:14 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 23:07:51 -!- Adder_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:11:34 -!- fearitself has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:12:27 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:15:44 goddammit. why did I mention it 23:16:11 it hits you 23:17:08 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:17:21 -!- OCTOTROGjr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:17:53 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:22 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:39 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:03 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:21:11 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:21:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:23:09 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:23:29 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:10 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:24:30 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:25:48 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:26:02 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27:11 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:28:31 chofbri (L16 HEHu) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1444: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Shoals:4) 23:28:40 chofbri (L16 HEHu) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1444: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Shoals:4) 23:28:52 !crashlog chofbri 23:28:52 2. chofbri, XL16 HEHu, T:46854 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/chofbri/crash-chofbri-20140131-052839.txt 23:29:01 -!- OCTOTROGjr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:02 oh 23:29:15 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:29:33 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:00 -!- xFleury has quit [Client Quit] 23:30:39 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 23:31:46 -!- Lightli has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:32:00 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:02 -!- OCTOTROGjr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:36:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:36:55 -!- OCTOTROGjr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:02 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2360-g192af81: Fix a minmax error with Blink Allies Encircling. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=192af8142f6b 23:38:24 Grunt: Well, well, well....can't say I'm surprised after all 23:38:31 Only a matter of time I suppose 23:38:33 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:38:37 * Grunt gestures. The orb of fire blinks! x27 23:39:21 wait 23:39:26 i thought that was intended :( 23:39:46 i guess that's why it's called "allieS," huh 23:39:46 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:40:05 Blink Ally Adjacent 23:40:12 fact: If Grunt ever meets the Lord of Pandemonium "minmax", he will die to said pan lord. 23:40:51 (btw. guess what led me to notice this bug.) 23:42:15 you're reviewing every single instance of min() or max() in crawl code! 23:42:33 -!- Merton has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:46:12 You notice here the macro min(x,y): #define min(x,y) ((x) < (y) ? (y) : (x)) 23:49:15 -!- Twinge has quit [] 23:55:12 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev