00:01:11 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:01:11 -!- asdf____ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:03:30 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2091-gca92d1a (34) 00:04:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:05:05 -!- falu has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:05:13 So what species are we removing with VS going in? 00:05:16 I vote Ha 00:05:54 ... did you forget about Dj 00:06:03 -!- Turgor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:06:16 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2091-gca92d1a (34) 00:06:30 I went with something less controversial (at least I thought) 00:07:57 not sure how removing Ha (where like one person wants it removed) is less controversial than removing Dj (where only that same person wants to keep) 00:08:29 Yes, there's a certain irony in those facts there 00:09:46 clearly fuse dj and ha 00:09:52 djalfling 00:10:01 * gammafunk the Intangible Halfling of Dithmengos dodges the issue! 00:10:29 !lg Ha won 00:10:30 No games for Ha (won). 00:10:36 !lg . won species=Ha 00:10:37 1. gammafunk the Halfling Blade (L27 HaCj), worshipper of Trog, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-05-16 23:32:29, with 1294772 points after 136819 turns and 14:39:57. 00:10:41 remind me what "clearly" means? 00:10:55 That terrible nem choice my have overly influenced my suggestion 00:11:15 djants would probably be too gimmicky 00:11:56 ontoclasm: can you draw a djant tile 00:12:01 SamB: in my case it means "never listen to ontoclasm" 00:12:02 for science 00:12:38 what would science ever want with such a thing? 00:12:58 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:11 hey, maybe put a bunch of weird fusions of player monsters in fleshworks for theme 00:14:22 Djant, FeOgres 00:14:28 all the chimeras 00:14:48 vinetrolls 00:15:18 Regen IIIII 00:15:36 max hp just gradually increases 00:16:57 hm 00:17:04 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2091-gca92d1a (34) 00:17:10 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/djant.png 00:17:25 Haha 00:17:25 The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! 00:17:26 Nice 00:17:38 that looks pretty cool 00:18:08 just mash all the races together into one 00:18:25 temp gauge, undead resists, 8 rings, stasis 00:18:33 okay now this needs to go into some sprint i'm afraid 00:18:35 small but can use GSCs 00:18:39 and no potions or regeneration 00:18:45 Unfitting armour 00:18:55 gets +2 AC/level 00:18:56 cat item usage 00:18:57 but can wear both a naga and centaur barding 00:19:06 at the same time 00:19:10 thats what i meant 00:19:15 sid/1 00:19:15 +3 invo but can't worship a god 00:19:41 well if you were a member of this theoretical race 00:19:47 and you knew gods existed 00:19:51 would have a minimum of 30 ac in dragon form, but cant cast it 00:19:52 would you worship them? 00:26:37 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:26:55 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 00:29:46 -!- jinkies has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:30:39 -!- dck 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weight around. by gammafunk 03:22:52 !tell tenofswords Hopefully a nice addition to shoals: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8049 03:22:52 gammafunk: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 03:29:48 -!- nilsbloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:34:23 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:40:29 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44:48 -!- DKR has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:46:00 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:52 -!- Giomancer has quit [Quit: dies, falls over] 03:49:14 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:50:34 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2092-g3e9b197: Adjust some god ability gain/loss messages (#8046) 10(72 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e9b1976cf0a 03:50:34 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2093-g254624c: Adjust the description of slaying 10(71 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 4-) 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even make sense maybe 07:49:29 though i think turning them into halfling twins would be even better. 07:54:23 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:55:17 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:55:55 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:00:40 -!- Chris_Oelmueller is now known as ChrisOelmueller 08:02:37 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:05:15 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:19:28 so tome added a neat monster... a slow/not-ranged but reasonably tough undead 08:19:45 and when it dies, it summons random (permanent) undead, possibly including the same monster 08:23:11 another thing we could steal from it: 'runed bone giant' (a bone golem covered in runes, which lets it cast some fairly powerful magic while also being a meatwall monster) 08:23:41 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:51 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24:17 final thought for now: we should rip off their alchemist quest. 08:24:48 it involves collecting ingredients from fairly exotic (but normal) monsters, which leads to doing areas you might not normally do, or doing them much earlier 08:25:16 kind of like ADOM's random monster quest, but with a game theoretic bent, and for a reward rather than for plot progression 08:25:55 good monsters would be stuff like: dragon, kraken, guardian serpent, angel 08:31:07 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:35:02 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:35:47 -!- valtern has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:49 Dragons and guardian serpents sound reasonable. 08:36:16 Krakens can be hell to find and do angels even spawn outside holy pan/certain vaults? 08:36:30 'byss 08:36:46 Quest For Abyssscumming 08:40:55 that doesn't really sound like a crawl thing to me 08:44:41 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:10 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:54:47 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 09:05:17 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:00 what is with the obssession with corona yeesh 09:06:00 tenofswords: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:06:18 also when did I become dracoomega 09:19:55 -!- gammafunk has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:24:07 ??dodging[2] 09:24:07 dodging[2/3]: Your dodging bonus is reduced by 30*(EVP - 1)/strength, where EVP is the base penalty of your body armour (does not depend on Armour skill). 09:24:17 does anyone know where this formula is in the code or how it's changed with the EVP->ER changes? 09:24:35 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:28:55 -!- soundlust|2 is now known as soundlust 09:29:36 Bloax: so in the tome quest you have 3 alchemists, who each have 3 potions, each with different effects. each potion requires three random components, each of which is unique to that potion. every time you complete a potion for an alchemist, the other two also complete a random one. the quest ends when any alchemist has made three potions. 09:29:44 *oops, 4 alchemists 09:30:24 so you're deciding between 'dragon/kraken/naga' and 'angel/porcupine/giant amoeba', or whatever 09:30:35 ??AEVP 09:30:35 aevp[1/2]: Adjusted body armour evasion penalty. Affects spell success, melee accuracy. Its value is [(2/5) * er^2 / (str+3)] * [45 - armour_skill]/45. 09:31:04 and if you take an easier one you didn't want as much, it might mean a harder to obtain potion you really did want becomes unavailable 09:31:07 (there is a nice dynamic with that octopode but I think it is well past too dynamic and disruptive of what other monsters are doing to be good without either being in spider:$ ghost moth position or a unique) 09:31:36 crawl doesn't really have quests, but I'm wondering if this is the mechanic to use for the pact god that I had proposed a while back 09:32:12 X pacts available, each requires doing Y things, and if you sign a pact both it and a random pact disappear 09:33:05 if signing a pact required you to go to interesting places earlier, or do conduct-like behavior, that would drive strategic gameplay in an interesting way 09:33:52 and if some pacts were never guaranteed in a game, you have the decision to either hold out to find out for sure, or just settle for a lesser pact now 09:34:08 where're the carrots for this stick 09:35:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:36:09 tenofswords: in te4, it's potions with significant permanent effects that you can't get any other way (and you can get min 3 max 5, always your first choice but rarely your top 5, both depending on luck) 09:36:20 in crawl, god abilities would be a good fit 09:36:53 not that I don't mind the idea of better sticks (though relying on random branch population dropping in is questionable) but aside from ash I can't think of any gods based off the conducts instead of the benefits 09:37:02 chei 09:37:24 ...okay, ash and chei 09:37:48 (and ash got a complete revamp to the benfits while people always argue chei's benefits stink in comparsion) 09:38:44 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:53 i'd originally envisioned pact god as being casting focused, especially to summoning, but with a wide array of abilities so you could build your own set (but were never guaranteed a particular combination) 09:39:55 still vague 09:41:08 this is the old, old version of it https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:propose:summons#powers 09:41:13 from sourceforge! 09:41:48 I suppose I walked into that 09:42:56 i mean, that one isn't good 09:43:03 but that's a general idea of the type of powers 09:43:08 it is rather unfortunate that most of these effects and ideas are still based around the idea summons/allies need to be spam-based 09:43:17 well that is from 0.4 09:43:27 I did a more recent writeup but I can't find it 09:45:23 example actions from that were touch a specific rune, eat a dragon corpse 09:46:42 example abilities were gain a wizardry boost to summoning natural animals, gain a dragon-y scales mut 09:48:28 but that one was based around a 'talent tree' model (you have X points, but you also have to take an action to unlock depth in any tree. like for a draconic pact tree: eat a lizard, eat a drake, eat a dragon), rather than more powerful abilities that require multiple actions to unlock at all 09:50:39 eat a dragon, not at all a thing that would make people hate random lair:$ vault generation 09:51:54 that's the point of the god; to make your ability access really vary from game to game, the same way item access does 09:52:07 certainly not for everyone 09:52:32 gods being mostly about reliable power for characters as necessary rather than a pile of fringe benefits 09:54:16 when i think reliable i think nemelex 09:54:43 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: No route to host] 09:55:14 triple draw, stack five, extremely high power 09:56:03 lots of specific cases of care to learn but nemelex is also a rather bad example in general for or against different ways of operating gods 09:56:38 yes that's true (this is also why i'm not too worried if this god is different from others... because there are a lot of bad gods) 09:57:42 I am thinking more about "why does anybody join this god aside from novelty or challenge conducts" 09:59:43 tenofswords: presumably because of cool abilities 10:00:32 probably cut down the number you can have, and make them stronger 10:03:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:08:52 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:09:00 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:13:58 -!- JoelMt has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 10:17:11 profane servitor (05A) | Spd: 15 | HD: 18 | HP: 130-174 | AC/EV: 10/20 | Dam: 2505(vampiric), 1013(drain) | 07undead, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(192), 02cold, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 08holy, 13torm | XP: 3910 | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 10:17:11 %??Profane servitor 10:17:13 ghoul (05n) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 129-166 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 3004(rot), 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, 04eats corpses, evil | Res: 06magic(93), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 1787 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 10:17:13 %??Ghoul 10:17:50 bone dragon (15D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 148-210 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Dam: 30, 20, 2007(trample) | 07undead, evil, sense invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3694 | Sz: Huge | Int: animal. 10:17:50 %??Bone dragon 10:18:43 any particular reason for 10:19:30 orc warlord (11o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 86-138 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 32 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(60) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1671 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 10:19:30 %??ORC WARLORD 10:20:01 Just comparing the high Yred tiers. 10:20:33 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:23:36 orc warlord (11o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 122-180 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 32 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(80) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3172 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 10:23:36 %??orc warlord hd:20 10:23:42 ghoul (05n) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 185-232 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 3004(rot), 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, 04eats corpses, evil | Res: 06magic(133), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 4130 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 10:23:42 %??Ghoul hd:20 10:24:20 profane servitors are rather silly with their silly whips 10:24:57 -!- tenofswords has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:26:47 -!- smajdalf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:26:50 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:02 now if they wielded great swords instead.. 10:33:15 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:46 Bloax: they have excellent base damage and attack quite fast with whips 10:39:27 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:31 tenofswords: Does Op crusher sound like an interesting addition to you? 10:42:32 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:42:42 interesting, yes 10:43:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:43:10 but I'd be uncertain of its status in the future that I only started 10:43:52 Well it could become a depths monster if we tweaked it stats, if need be 10:44:04 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:44:07 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:08 And the abilities could also just go on a different monster 10:44:25 I would appreciate said octopodes in depths water more than the current javelineer/impaler use 10:44:27 -!- eith|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:50 yes, they are harder than impalers anyhow, at least in the current state 10:45:32 -!- aitap has quit [Quit: Beware, there will be no return! Still climb?] 10:46:24 I mean, the concept is cool, but shoals is looking to be "full" in the future in terms of working designs 10:46:40 so yeah I guess I'd accept it as a Depths thing 10:47:20 (also cut corona from that spell list and use spell_melee what is with the corona obssession from fauns and marksnaga to these opgr) 10:47:22 Sure, would be a-ok with having them in depths. They definitely aren't Tengu reaver territory in terms of difficulty, but they'd be most interesting when the player is fighting mobs 10:47:45 Yes, corona is the go-to "well, I should give this melee monster a spell...." 10:47:47 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:48:08 It's practically cantrip 10:48:13 sp_melee exists 10:48:18 %git :/[Ii]gnus 10:48:19 Could not find commit :/[Ii]gnus (git returned 128) 10:48:19 and it's a dith nerf!! 10:48:23 %git :/[Ii]gnis 10:48:24 07bh02 * 0.14-a0-485-g8b6206d: Add Ignis, a lantern monster 10(3 months ago, 5 files, 36+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b6206d0ad80 10:48:24 ignis (08*) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 6-12 | AC/EV: 0/10 | 11non-living, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(4), 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 2 | Sp: corona | Sz: small | Int: plant. 10:48:24 %??ignis 10:48:51 I find it kind of amusing that [redacted] an reverse-ignis 10:49:36 since naen [redacted] while lemure were already in original stuff themed around darkness 10:51:16 how amusing and interesting yes 10:51:25 -!- eith|2 is now known as eith 10:53:56 I like how I've circled around for 200 turns and this chaos champion hasn't landed chaotic mirror once 10:56:02 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:59:21 "Come on, use your spells! Remember how daddy showed you!" 11:00:47 "1 + random2(27) >= [xl]" 11:01:00 why, I think this might not be a good idea for a place with xl 27 folk 11:01:17 * tenofswords sighs 11:02:09 what server are you on 11:02:48 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:03:30 Meph? 11:03:41 fr meph server 11:03:42 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:03:57 mephitic cloud race? 11:04:39 I wonder how intuitive "resistance that goes up with more non-beneficial status and goes down with less" is 11:05:35 since mr immunity is pretty easy for their hd and a flat chance would be way too dangerous 11:06:02 also, can we buff ignis 11:06:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:06:15 HD:1 means that corona never hits 11:08:05 (this referring to the "give target and caster the same status" spell of xom Ds) 11:08:43 s??hilarious deaths[pois 11:08:45 I don't have a page labeled hilarious deaths[pois in my learndb. 11:08:48 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2093-g254624c (34) 11:09:27 Zot trap poison poisons for "way too much," right? 11:09:46 yes 11:10:01 Enough to kill an ogre at mhp? 11:10:03 like pretty much guaranteed death if you don't have a curing potion, maybe if you're a robust 3 troll you can take it 11:10:17 Good to hear that 11:10:19 the zot trap poison deaths i've seen they aren't even out of dark red 11:10:24 by the time they die 11:12:34 tenofswords: is that smite targeted? 11:12:49 no, beam 11:12:52 thank god 11:13:27 the random swap ability may make that still difficult to deal with 11:13:51 fortunately chaos champions are currently very rare for pan level spawn slot sets 11:16:15 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:17:29 that sounds slightly overkill 11:18:51 tenofswords: do you happen to have them distributed in pan now in gitorious branch? 11:19:14 would be fun to see how badly my summoners will suffer 11:20:18 while I'm still unhappy with some of the monsters the overall set-up is essential done 11:22:07 -!- tgs3 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:02 hello guys. I liked the idea of lab-rats as a cool unique feauture in game, but they were removed due to some maintaince cost it seems 11:23:07 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c8c84faf5d16#patch1 is the commit 11:24:08 if someone would fix the old code to be refactored as you wanted, and maintain it, then why not return them to game? and maybe use the occassionaly also outside the Mad Wizard's minivault 11:26:40 it was http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Laboratory_rat 11:27:04 they were complicated and also not really very interesting, so even if the code was fixed up somehow they'd still be not very interesting 11:27:07 very complex monsters that were mostly too weak for use in almost any location and with almost solely flavour value are not about to get much pl 11:27:14 wow, korean and chinese translations of lab rat descriptions... 11:27:24 well, what marvinpa said 11:28:18 there are a fair number of korean players and there's a korean webtiles server 11:28:40 its not hooked up with the main score tables on cao though, which is a shame because there are some very high scores on it 11:28:55 i looked the other day and theres one at 47 million or so 11:28:58 mostly the maintainer of that server is .. MIA? 11:29:01 ok, what if I would make labrats NG 11:29:05 the server is still running 11:29:17 yes, but there's stuff missing for the tracking 11:29:18 evilmike: i think amethyst fixed that just the other day 11:29:21 i looked and it has 0.14 trunk 11:29:30 but possibly trunk games aren't tracked still 11:29:35 oh, I see 11:29:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:29:41 also the trunk it has is several weeks old 11:29:45 and you can't enter Pan in it :o 11:29:59 evilmike: What's the korean score page url? 11:30:10 http://kr.dobrazupa.org/www/topscore.html 11:30:19 ty 11:30:41 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:30:42 if I would like to code new monsters or vaults, would they be likelly accepted? 11:30:42 oh my, LoFi at 30k! 11:31:02 hory shit 11:31:17 with...Beogh 11:31:18 huh 11:32:05 new vaults don't have much tht would block them from being added aside from some ratio of quality to importance (e.g. if you're submitting a branch end vaults care is going to be higher than random minivaults) 11:32:06 He meleed about 1200 times in total. 11:32:08 o_O 11:32:31 and recalled a lot 11:32:35 new monsters ought to fill specific roles and gaps rather than just being new monsters, though 11:33:43 Bloax: and orc first, but not elf ever. 11:34:04 elf is mostly a waste of time 11:34:14 unless you are insane enough to rush elf:3 until you succeed 11:35:20 Yes but many of the melee speedruns are built around exactly that 11:35:49 including the Best DDFi 11:36:04 oh actualy nm, that was lair first 11:36:11 but it did do elf after lair:8 11:36:16 !lg * DDFi max=score -log 11:36:16 4281. Fusentrap, XL24 DDFi, T:32360: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Fusentrap/morgue-Fusentrap-20131202-023633.txt 11:37:14 i'm always surprised when i hear about how people in china/japan play games i'm familiar with 11:37:14 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:37:26 i mean, you'd assume everyone would hit on the same sort of strategies 11:37:38 but it's always bizarrely divergent 11:37:48 !messages 11:37:48 (1/1) SamB said (9h 51m 22s ago): What would we put on the other side of the amulet of EP? 11:38:25 SamB: Night Fever 11:38:43 oh yeah that reminds me 11:38:44 metal doors 11:39:48 metal doors?? 11:39:58 metal gear?? 11:40:09 metal vaults metal doors metal gears 11:40:24 is there room for metal metal 11:40:38 I hate to harp on this point but I am curious about any potential future for them so 11:40:50 ontoclasm do you have any plans to make ds comboing tiles 11:41:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZWbu7XackI&feature=player_detailpage#t=85 11:41:59 -!- Tarragon has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:03 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:42:11 -!- Tarragon is now known as Basil 11:42:14 tenofswords: sure, at some point 11:42:26 thanks 11:50:38 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:51:46 -!- 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12:22:19 Probably ghouls. 12:22:29 well, they don't appear in darkgrey for ghouls 12:22:32 well i'm not a ghoul. 12:22:36 still appear in darkgrey for people with animate dead though! 12:24:04 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:37:38 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:38:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:39:15 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:41:09 Bloax: i edited the metal walls a bit 12:41:34 basically by increasing the contrast a little 12:42:52 It seems to look good. 12:43:14 but what does tiles crawl look like to people with colorblindness??? 12:44:16 maybe we could change dis's wall tiles too 12:44:32 they're kind of hard to look at 12:44:43 (I'm saying that somewhat facetiously but it is a possible thing to think about) 12:45:13 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 12:45:25 colour blind support is important if you are at all serious about designing a good interface, and that's the case for crawl 12:45:45 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:45:48 but, text colour is never critical, and i dont think tile colours ever are too (and they have descriptions anyway). so crawl does fairly good as far as i know 12:46:20 the onscreen monster list helps 12:46:40 cloud color might be sorta problematic in a way 12:46:52 of course there's only so much you can do with a text interface 12:47:14 (and one inherent benefit of that sort of interface is people can redefine console colors to be more suitable for them if necessary) 12:47:31 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:37 yes, it is irrelevant for the console version 12:47:49 the biggest problem in tiles for color-blindness is dragons and orcs 12:48:09 well, I don't know if I'd say irrelevant, more that it can be solved appropriately clientside 12:48:17 orcs are purple/green which are at least not commonly confused 12:48:50 but we have all sorts of randomly-colored dragons that are distinguished only by color 12:48:53 imo give orc wizards pointy wizard hats 12:49:02 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:13 I'm all in favor of giving more things pointy wizard hats 12:49:29 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:49:35 wizorc 12:50:51 thing about dragons is you want them to be visually similar enough that you know they're all part of the same genus or whatever 12:50:55 but also distinct 12:51:23 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 12:52:02 deep elf mage v deep elf conjurer 12:58:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:00:53 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:05:51 well, there are these: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5746 13:06:21 most of them are good but some aren't 13:06:25 I don't know if I like those but I don't like tiles so I'm not a good judge 13:06:45 the elves i'm not a fan of 13:06:56 orcs are good except for the knight and warlord 13:07:00 I don't like the melee orcs. 13:07:32 centaurs already got upgraded 13:07:42 of course, judging tiles in a vacuum is a bad idea anyway 13:07:49 imo it's more important for the style to be consistent 13:07:53 gnolls i could take or leave, but i don't like that the unique ones are -less- distinctive than stardard gnolls 13:08:33 why is yiuf wearing a fake beard 13:08:49 yiuf always wears a fake beard 13:08:53 it's in his desciption 13:08:58 +r 13:09:14 I didn't think it was a beard at first 13:09:18 I thought he was holding something 13:09:27 and the different eye colors are impossible to distinguish unless you're really looking 13:09:42 His eyes are rolling. 13:10:01 Which is really hard to catch unless you look very very closely. 13:10:15 yeah, if he's gonna animate i'd make it way more obvious 13:11:04 the main ones of those i want are the orc casters 13:11:09 I guess maybe it's more obvious if it animates 13:13:05 I'm a pretty terrible judge of how obvious a tile is. 13:15:59 as for the dragons, i'd like them to have distinguishing features while still retaining the standard pose 13:16:05 i sort-of did this to drakes 13:16:30 so wing drakes are pointy, fire drakes have a white belly, swamp drakes are snub-nosed and have curved wings 13:17:06 (see: shadow demons being best distinguished as "the thing with purple effects near the top and the star" relying on purple being a rare demon colour) 13:18:24 if you think i extensively plan anything i do then you would be gravely mistaken 13:18:50 yeah, shadow demons could stand to be clearer 13:19:18 also abominations 13:19:55 is it absolutely impossible to be fancy around here 13:20:00 haha 13:20:07 you make something that looks cool 13:20:17 it's hard to fit fancy into a 32x32 tile xD 13:20:17 oh gee it's dark that won't do 13:20:25 meanwhile 13:20:27 SHADOW demon 13:20:45 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:50 well yeah, but vis shadow fiends 13:20:58 shadow fiends have skulls 13:21:04 Well, you can make shadows that look like shadows and are still crisp and good looking 13:21:04 and soul eaters 13:21:08 See, uh... shadows? :P 13:21:28 http://crawl.develz.org/info/tile.php?q=Shadow 13:21:40 Whereas shadow demons look kind of like a vague smear upon the floor on several backgrounds, in my opinion >.> 13:21:49 It's not even just a matter of contrast 13:21:49 we should have uhm 13:21:58 those things from angband that are invisible 13:22:04 since their tile is nothing 13:22:07 -!- Un67 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:22:10 black shades or something 13:22:14 that's basically half the angband monsters 13:22:18 but yes "black" 13:22:20 is one of them! 13:22:42 i think their ascii character is . too, for good measure 13:22:44 I actually think the new shadow tile is a lot worse than the one it replaced, personally 13:22:52 Which was nothing special, but at least it was readily identifiable 13:23:15 DracoOmega: which one? the blue one with claws? 13:23:22 shadow demon* 13:23:27 I really like your shadow tile 13:23:32 Oops :P 13:23:36 i can't keep all the shadows straight :C 13:23:37 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/shadowdemn.png 13:23:43 now we have shadow god and shadow form 13:24:03 look at that art 13:24:12 But yes, the actual 'shadow' monster tile does a great job of looking like a shadow while also being readily visible 13:24:56 hm, when 0.14 releases i should tell people to take screenshots 13:25:07 i keep forgetting to do that 13:25:37 The shadow demon tile looks like... well... SOMETHING, anyway. The pentagram icon in the corner is a lot easier to make out than anything in the tile itself 13:25:46 i don't think the official screenshot page has any of my tiles in it, since it's from like 0.8 13:25:52 remind me to have less overpowered vision 13:26:01 *0.6 13:26:27 s/my tiles/tiles i implemented/ 13:26:29 i like that the screenshots page has an "outdated screenshots" section 13:26:47 when the most recent non-outdated screenshot is 0.8 or something yes 13:27:14 wow those screenshots 13:27:22 ;_; 13:27:23 yes 13:27:31 is the Jesus christ, the bees. one still there 13:27:36 "Dumbshit the Devastator" is an excellent one 13:27:39 yes it is 13:27:42 good 13:27:54 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/tiles_screenshot_0.6_shoals_border.png 13:28:01 burn 13:28:03 well also it has all the most awful fonts 13:28:22 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/High-res-layout.png looking real swampy 13:28:31 with bright green trees 13:28:48 I think swamps can have plenty of bright trees :P 13:29:13 looking real swampy with _no_mangroves_ 13:29:19 It's outdated, sure 13:29:24