00:00:01 well I guess that speaks to how harmless vapours really are :P 00:00:17 Well, I actually nerfed them a little after that, since they were surprisingly lethal. Like, a lot more than expected. 00:00:28 They were pretty close to storm dragons 00:00:30 (does this mean ball lightning can finally get lightning bolt back) 00:00:32 (That never fired at you) 00:00:41 Maybe I overdid it, though 00:00:51 It was something I meant to examine as I tinker with Swamp populations 00:01:11 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13.1-26-g838d096 00:01:14 I don't think ball lightning is even permaconfused anymore? 00:01:29 It isn't 00:01:48 that too 00:02:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2071-g7172c92 (34) 00:04:51 -!- bschlief has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:36 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2071-g7172c92 (34) 00:06:57 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:37 -!- tenofswords_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:45 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:09:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:49 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:54 -!- tenofswords_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:15:21 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2114-g0134c97: Actually have Flash Freeze on Legendary Destruction list. 10(60 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0134c9779ad7 00:15:50 -!- Danei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:22:53 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:08 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:27:27 -!- tinybat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:29:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:36:33 -!- CampinSam` has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 00:37:14 -!- Danei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38:19 okay, I just fought a harpy that was actually a recoloured tengu reaver 00:38:28 in a vault that does not colour anything 00:38:42 so I think that bug is still around 00:48:58 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:53 Getting corona'd dispells umbra by Grandiloquent Gentleman 01:09:54 -!- xFleury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 01:12:29 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:27:58 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:27:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:31:37 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:32:33 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:34:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:19 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 01:38:41 -!- bschlief has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:44:48 -!- ChongLi has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:48:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:48:30 -!- defeeca has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:59:54 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:59:54 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 01:59:54 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 02:00:14 -!- BlackrayJack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:00:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:03:18 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:05:15 -!- grillatactics has quit [Quit: ThrashIRC v2.9 sic populo comunicated] 02:08:00 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: night] 02:09:18 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:11:30 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Client Quit] 02:11:59 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:12:13 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Client Quit] 02:12:39 Jump ability says nothing about the inability to jump on invalid targets by Grandiloquent Gentleman 02:17:01 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2071-g7172c92 (34) 02:19:23 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:20:09 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:22:51 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:25:38 -!- Adeon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:26:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:28:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:29:44 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:30:06 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 02:35:22 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:36:12 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:56:34 ^version 02:56:35 trunk: 0.14-a0-2071-g7172c92; 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Xom thinks this is hilarious. 05:11:22 yay 05:12:49 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 05:13:51 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:21:40 -!- agenius has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:34:07 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:36:47 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:36:54 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:38:02 -!- Chris_Oelmueller is now known as ChrisOelmueller 05:41:31 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:42:44 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:43:09 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:56:01 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 06:08:23 -!- rzimodnar is now known as RZX 06:12:45 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19:39 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:53 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:23:19 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:29:10 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:32:46 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:47:21 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 06:48:45 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:03:54 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-2074-gcff5ce5: Change the fsim csv separator to tab. 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cff5ce532afb 07:03:54 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-2075-g00d6749: Update git ignore to account for the change to fsim output file name. 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=00d674960a61 07:03:57 Crash generating pan Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated by Grandiloquent Gentleman 07:03:57 -!- yalue has joined ##crawl-dev 07:03:57 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:03:57 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:05:14 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 07:05:14 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 07:05:16 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 07:07:57 <|amethyst> galehar: hm... for runes it might be better to use autopickup_exceptions so the player can override it in their rc 07:07:57 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 07:09:29 <|amethyst> !tell MarvinPA I was going to add it to CAO when trunk milestones/logfiles became available, but they never have. Guess I should get around to doing that anyway 07:09:29 |amethyst: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 07:09:30 <|amethyst> !tell |amethyst add ckr to CAO scoring 07:09:30 |amethyst: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 07:14:35 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 07:14:46 galehar: Is it more common to use .csv for tab separated file than .tsv? 07:16:14 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:18:50 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:19:05 -!- Escalator_ is now known as Escalator 07:19:55 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:20:10 |amethyst: I guess. It's been a while since I looked at the autopickup mess, and I wasn't really sure (hence the commit message) 07:20:51 Medar: I've never seen .tsv file. Do they really exist? 07:22:30 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:34 All I know that there is a MIME type 07:22:47 But if nothing supports it, obviously .csv is better 07:23:14 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:23:24 Looks like OpenOffice on Windows doesn't register .tsv, so yeah 07:23:34 neither does excel 07:23:43 Nevermind that then 07:25:00 Also yey for autopickup defaults 07:25:07 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:25:49 -!- NeremWorld has quit [] 07:29:35 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:31:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:45 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:47 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:35:30 uhm 07:35:39 can i currently not exclude runes from autopickup after that change 07:36:20 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: you should be able to with \ 07:36:20 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 07:37:19 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2076-g8d50028: Use autopickup_exceptions for rune autopickup 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d50028c33aa 07:37:19 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-2076-g8d50028: Use autopickup_exceptions for rune autopickup 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d50028c33aa 07:37:22 i meant from my rcfile 07:37:22 you can 07:37:22 (now) 07:37:22 i'm pretty sure it has always worked for me which is why i'm asking 07:37:22 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:37:26 oh. :-) 07:37:33 thanks! 07:39:55 "ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1412: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000)" 07:40:43 something weird happened when tabbing a warmonger, hrm 07:41:38 i was reading the logs from the past few days and i saw that a few times 07:41:51 so i dunno if it's connected directly to the branch 07:42:06 alright then 07:42:39 !lm elmuncho crash 07:42:39 1. [2014-01-22 01:27:45] ElMuncho the Cleaver (L13 LOFE) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 604: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster type 1000 (1000) (Lair:7) 07:42:39 !lm elmuncho crash -log 07:42:39 1. ElMuncho, XL13 LOFE, T:15590 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ElMuncho/crash-ElMuncho-20140122-012745.txt 07:42:53 fleugma (L4 CeFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:3) 07:42:54 grkgle (L12 FoWr) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:1) 07:42:55 kraphead (L24 FoWr) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Vaults:2) 07:42:56 <|amethyst> 1000 is MONS_NO_MONSTER so various things could cause that 07:44:00 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 07:44:32 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46:59 elmuncho's seems to have something to do with step from time and his LO heat aura, and also possibly his merc's constriction 07:53:18 ashiok (L3 TeAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 07:53:20 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:53:58 <|amethyst> wheals: the monster is dead when the heat aura affects it; but if constriction killed the monster that should have happened earlier 07:54:09 <|amethyst> wheals: however, it looks like it would happen if a cloud killed the monster 07:54:52 there's one way to see 07:54:52 !lm elmuncho crash -tv 07:54:52 1. ElMuncho, XL13 LOFE, T:15590 (milestone) requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 07:56:08 <|amethyst> (hm, but that situation doesn't crash for me so I don't know 07:56:11 <|amethyst> ) 07:56:37 <|amethyst> hm, I thought I saw a cloud? 07:56:47 maybe the inner flame 07:57:27 <|amethyst> anyway, I must be going 07:58:29 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: Scoring data is updating to include ckr 0.13, but it's a bit slow so maybe 30, 45 more minutes 07:59:35 -!- Kaput has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:03:35 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:04:46 <|amethyst> ah, I did manage to reproduce it when I stepped from time on the same turn it was about to die to the cloud 08:06:43 <|amethyst> though I don't see why time step would be required 08:06:50 <|amethyst> and I'm off for real now 08:10:08 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:11:02 -!- lukano has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:12:02 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14:09 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:15:35 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17:41 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:18:41 kraphead (L24 FoWr) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Vaults:3) 08:19:44 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:51 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:22:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:22:48 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 08:25:40 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 08:26:14 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:26:57 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:27:49 -!- cr0ne has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:28:43 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:13 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:38:51 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:07 what's the general opinion on listing item stacks (as opposed to all items in the stack, the - toggle) in searches by default 08:40:19 i'm pondering to change the default there because it's not very intuitive 08:40:49 of course the whole help line on Ctrl-F is an abomination and probably it'd be an improvement to completely remove it, but that's another point 08:41:15 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:42:00 -!- Crehl has quit [Client Quit] 08:50:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:54:06 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 08:55:47 -!- Nightdew has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:56:25 also make not showing useless items the default if you do 09:02:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:22 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:25:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:36:16 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:33 -!- Whistling_Beard has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:48:35 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:52:35 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:54:27 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:56:45 -!- dwdsadwad has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:57:48 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:05 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:08:56 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:15 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:45 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:15:48 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:16:05 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:16:43 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:19:07 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:12 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:21:31 -!- cwawwww has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:32:05 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:36:01 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:38:46 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:43:42 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:27 -!- Neuromancer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:57:24 -!- Cheibriados has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:57:31 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-2077-g365d83e: Only print identification message once when repelling curses 10(39 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=365d83e9a001 10:57:31 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2078-g62f2380: Don't repeat ID message for holy wrath artefacts either. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=62f23800c1fb 10:57:31 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2079-gd4ef825: Re-add *.stat to .gitignore. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4ef825fcddc 10:58:34 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:34 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chit-chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to pastebin.ca please | Immortal Warwalrus and Crazy Yiuf forever. 10:58:36 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious. 11:02:30 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-2077-g365d83e: Only print identification message once when repelling curses 10(44 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=365d83e9a001 11:02:30 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2078-g62f2380: Don't repeat ID message for holy wrath artefacts either. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=62f23800c1fb 11:02:30 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2079-gd4ef825: Re-add *.stat to .gitignore. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d4ef825fcddc 11:03:08 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:36 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:05:28 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2079-gd4ef825 (34) 11:10:59 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:13:28 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:20:13 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:05 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:12 -!- djanatyn has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:26:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:26:27 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:00 -!- djanatyn has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:27:19 -!- ereinion has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:27:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 11:28:00 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:12 -!- djanatyn has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:31:30 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 11:31:56 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:33:50 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:34:27 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:35 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:41:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:42:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:43:15 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:44:19 -!- Raycaster has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:47:17 -!- djanatyn has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:48:55 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:53 -!- Turgor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:55:30 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 12:03:28 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:08:51 -!- uglyjohn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:17:06 -!- Vizer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:32 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:38 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:38:13 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 12:43:59 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:46:15 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:52:23 Slightly revamp help header in Ctrl-F and change some defaults there by chris 12:52:23 Slightly revamp help header in Ctrl-F and change some defaults there by chris 12:56:06 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:10 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:59:24 -!- jameyd has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 13:02:20 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:15:06 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:17:01 -!- JoelMt_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:17:05 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:19:39 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:57 -!- agenius has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:27:38 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:24 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:03 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:34:20 -!- Guest72236 is now known as jarpiain 13:36:16 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:38 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:40:02 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 26.0/20131215102647]] 13:43:01 -!- nixor1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:50:17 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:57 fr: when forest is removed, replace all the trees in it with fire 13:51:59 -!- thedefinite has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:00:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 14:11:09 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:04 ug, can anyone give me a quick pointer on setting the indicator that something invisible was detected at a pos (e.g. from fog) 14:16:45 show.cc in _update_monster maybe? 14:16:46 See show.cc, _mark_invisble_monster et al. 14:17:16 err the one above right :P 14:17:41 ty: S in SGrunt stands for source code 14:17:43 gammafunk: what are you trying to do? 14:17:55 Grunt: 14:18:00 -!- Hypereia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:18:08 gammafunk: 14:20:03 I wonder if I should just write up this "put specific demons per 6 band to avoid melanges and make putting them in lev-pand.cc not dumb" thing 14:20:19 oh well 14:20:42 pan monster generation should just be revamped anyways 14:20:49 its kind of dumb atm 14:21:47 must have that 1/30 chance for red devils 14:21:52 new demonspawns should help (i guess those are meant to be pan-only monsters, please dont overlap with hells) 14:22:07 they are meant as pan jerks yes 14:22:18 tenofswords: thoughts yet on a demonspawn unique? Maybe we can replace ignacio 14:22:54 the demonspawn uniques are those things on & glyph :P 14:22:56 or murray 14:23:17 murray could just use a good merge with forest 14:23:19 I also sometimes feel like there could be other things, like allowing pan lords as occasional random spawns 14:23:19 so to speak 14:23:29 tenofswords: well, demonspawn are kind of different than "just" a demon, aren't they? 14:23:35 have one unique demonspawn who's visiting the hells, he heard they were lovely in the summer 14:23:57 chrisoelmueller: you want murray to appear in a lair branch??? 14:24:06 and I've thought before that making pan levels generally smaller might be interesting since it means "denser" and harder levels 14:24:16 at least he'd mean something there :P 14:24:19 Pan Depths 14:24:32 the royal murray 14:24:56 spits out curse skulls? 14:25:07 spits out flayed ghosts 14:25:55 the demonspawn classes are already ridiculous enough that I'm not sure what much further a demonspawn unique would do 14:26:32 its a silly idea 14:26:37 all of them at once 14:26:38 its like saying "lets add a unique random pan lord" 14:27:06 aka it's exactly the same as a pan lord, but it has a fixed name 14:27:08 all of them at once is just material for a mean guaranteed demonic rune vault 14:27:26 replace the seraph with a demonspawn of ely 14:27:32 there is already a unique random pan lord, it's Plog 14:28:11 actually about pan lords, are their spell lists still cluttered with a bunch of weak stuff? 14:28:28 most likely 14:29:02 they could at least steal flash freeze and orb of electrocution from blood saints 14:29:05 last time I visted pan, almost all the &'s were underwhelming 14:29:47 the spell list could be revised anyway, seeing if anything new is missing, and removing stuff that's always weak 14:30:12 unless magic dart pan lords are desirable for some reason. i guess butterflies has its charm 14:30:20 I like steam ball and imb being in this list 14:30:34 imb is fine, its not super scary but its respectable 14:31:17 -!- Lightli has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:17 -!- Arebrandon has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:17 -!- Kellhus has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:17 -!- Yuof has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:17 -!- Turgor has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:17 -!- kekekela has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:17 -!- robotcentaur has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:17 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:17 -!- Trilin has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:17 -!- Datul has quit [*.net *.split] 14:31:18 -!- Yermak has quit [*.net *.split] 14:32:59 I wonder about about removing this giant bias towards summon demon but short of making a third version of planerend I have no idea what'd really replace it 14:33:31 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:34:05 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:05 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 14:34:05 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:24 oh i was wondering why i couldn't find the list 14:34:28 it's in ghost.cc 14:35:15 venom bolt being higher priority than iron shot <3 14:35:41 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:35:58 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:11 force lance also is misplaced there isn't it 14:37:29 do they have stone arrow 14:37:33 i mean, it does more damage than imb for monsters 14:38:10 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:18 it's in ghost.cc if you want to check 14:38:52 but unless its been changed, the way it works is, they can mostly cast anything a player ghost can get, and there's also a bunch of monster spells they can get 14:38:57 stone arrow should be possible 14:41:41 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:42:50 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:43:28 -!- klz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:47:20 -!- nixor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50:44 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:27 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:56:20 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:56:33 -!- Kron has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:00 hey guys I think I've found something that may be a typo in the DCSS documentation, but I'm not sure. 14:57:15 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:29 is it lots of "ou" where it should be "o" those always sneak in somehow 14:57:34 in keybind.txt it says ^U is CMD_OPEN_DOOR_UP_LEFT and ^Y is CMD_OPEN_DOOR_UP_RIGHT 14:57:36 targetttting 14:57:43 they should be swapped 14:57:58 oh wow do those still 14:58:00 nice 14:58:00 the actual functionality works fine in game 14:58:31 should I open an issue in the bug tracker thing? 14:58:38 yeah that looks like an oversight even if i have no idea why it's listed specially like this 14:58:40 or is this trivial enough that just telling anyone is about enough 14:58:57 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:03 it's listed like that so we can make our own keybinding configurations! 14:59:19 ran into this since I'm trying to make a config file that moves YU to UI so I don't have to stretch my right hand so much 14:59:34 probably somebody will see it and do things, but reporting doesn't hurt either 14:59:40 okay 15:00:50 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:01:02 it says... access denied? 15:01:53 that file in general looks not so fresh 15:02:54 okay made an account 15:03:03 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:03:10 hrm, I'm using env.map_knowledge(pos).set_invisible_monster() in a spell but I don't see the invisible monster indicator on the next turn 15:05:43 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8036 15:05:45 okay, done 15:08:55 Documentation error in docs/keybind.txt by Kron 15:08:55 Documentation error in docs/keybind.txt by Kron 15:11:25 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:12:23 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2080-ge317583: Fix swapped keybindings in documentation (Kron, #8036) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e31758308797 15:12:44 <|amethyst> Kron: thanks! 15:12:55 no problems! 15:13:10 my gf is trying to get me into DCSS and it looks like a really cool game ^_^ 15:13:12 thanks for making it 15:13:57 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2080-ge317583: Fix swapped keybindings in documentation (Kron, #8036) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e31758308797 15:14:29 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-27-ga479965: Fix swapped keybindings in documentation (Kron, #8036) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a479965850f6 15:14:31 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-27-ga479965: Fix swapped keybindings in documentation (Kron, #8036) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a479965850f6 15:15:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:16:27 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:16:34 welp, looking at how the invis monster redraw code actually works, I've decided that marking the invist monster is just not worth it 15:17:29 i'm too lazy to script a complete comparison but at the very least using \ to cycle portals also misses there (CMD_MAP_FIND_PORTAL only has \t, and new commands like CMD_MAP_UNFORGET also are not in) 15:17:45 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2115-gc21c0b0: Monstrous demonspawn prefer not to use weapons (tenofswords). 10(85 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c21c0b05395c 15:18:22 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:19:22 another missing one is CMD_TOGGLE_TRAVEL_SPEED 15:19:34 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2115-gc21c0b0: Monstrous demonspawn prefer not to use weapons (tenofswords). 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c21c0b05395c 15:19:42 CMD_WAIT apparently isn't in either? huh 15:20:02 hmmm, a more complete keybind.txt would definitely help in custom scripting I guess 15:20:07 CMD_MAP_FIND_F has been gone since forever (about a year) 15:22:32 missing one, CMD_DROP_LAST 15:22:39 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yeah, show_update_at clears the monster from the cell and recomputes it 15:22:39 this probably enough digging now 15:22:50 http://pastebin.com/vAzV0sDp 15:22:57 well, here's the swap script I wrote 15:23:00 am I missing any functions? 15:23:15 oh okay there's a few wizmode commands also amiss, e.g. CMD_TARGET_WIZARD_BANISH_MONSTER and CMD_TARGET_WIZARD_KILL_MONSTER 15:23:38 and CMD_TARGET_WIZARD_HEAL_MONSTER 15:24:04 <|amethyst> gammafunk: so you'd need some kind of flag on the monster saying that _update_monster should consider it a disturbance 15:24:10 |amethyst: Since I want to set the invisible monster but otherwise do show_update_at(), is there an easy way to adapt that 15:24:21 oh that's one way, I suppose 15:24:39 <|amethyst> gammafunk: what's the idea here? 15:24:48 <|amethyst> apologies if I missed earlier discussion 15:24:59 A spell that hits the target with conjuration damage, pulling it to a random adjacent site 15:25:11 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: also, those OPEN_DOOR_UP_LEFT etc do more than just opening doors and untrapping 15:25:21 If the player is pulled by something invisible is the problem, basically 15:25:25 well yes that is the general problem 15:25:34 Was thinking it'd be good to set the invis monster indicator 15:25:50 in particular they are bugged when you want to swing there, it's an open door with an invisible monster on 15:25:53 adjacent ot the caster, I mean 15:26:01 probably nobody ever bothers to fix that though 15:26:59 or even if there isn't and you want to cleave there instead of closing the door 15:27:06 good luck convincing crawl of this 15:29:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but you wouldn't want to show the exact location, since it could be in one of 8 places 15:30:05 <|amethyst> gammafunk: and can't use the current fuzzing rules, because that could show them being two squares away 15:30:16 |amethyst: Well, the idea was that you'd "feel" that you'd landed next to the monster in this case 15:30:27 why can that monster be invisible 15:30:29 simple thing is just to not give the information, I agree 15:30:32 is the actual question i'd ask 15:30:42 ChrisOelmueller: it zapped itself with invis wand 15:30:46 etc 15:30:49 well there you have the bug 15:30:51 <|amethyst> or the player zapped it with an invis wand 15:31:01 that is 100% player fault then 15:31:37 The issue is more whether it's worth it to reveal this information in general, I suppose it's not 15:31:59 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:32:30 really an approach to invis that doesn't increase the level of how it's just the interface screwing with me would be nice 15:33:26 <|amethyst> make invisible monsters more likely to sidestep 15:33:45 <|amethyst> so it's harder to guess where they are, and therefore not showing them is less of an interface screw 15:36:07 is there a guide or other info on setting up a webtiles webserver for multiple binaries? (not the dgamelaunch-config path). 15:36:10 <|amethyst> ... except then a player might deliberately make a monster invisible to reduce its chance of attacking 15:36:45 when I tried it, the binaries share the same save files and I had to create additional rcs directories in /source 15:36:51 <|amethyst> johnstein: probably just webserver/config.py 15:37:08 imo that still would be more interesting than what we have right now :P 15:37:27 <|amethyst> johnstein: usually you'd build those binaries with different save locations 15:37:32 because reliable sources of invis, short of DD, aren't unlimited 15:38:31 that must have been what I forgot 15:38:38 -!- robotcentaur has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:42 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:04 kinda obvious in retrospect. I'll dig into the makefile in new detail tonight 15:39:16 <|amethyst> johnstein: see the flags passed by crawl-build/update-crawl-trunk-build.sh in the dgamelaunch-config stuff 15:39:22 s/new/more 15:39:38 oh. good idea |amethyst 15:39:48 Ty 15:40:29 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:43:42 <|amethyst> err, I think we might be setting WEBDIR wrong in the Makefile 15:44:40 <|amethyst> hm, or not 15:44:57 -!- magicpoints has quit [] 15:45:30 <|amethyst> but it kind of looks like, if WEBDIR is not set, we handle that the same as the relative path case, and use just $(prefix) 15:48:54 hrm, I did a git pull of the gitorious master and realized that I liked rebasing on top more, so I did git rebase origin/master 15:49:05 And the merge commit seems to be gone, which is nice 15:49:43 I guess I should still git fetch and then git rebase though 15:50:02 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2116-g94aee4a: Adjust handling of enemy Icemail melting. 10(24 minutes ago, 2 files, 16+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94aee4ab196a 15:50:02 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2117-g70c6931: Fix staves of fire and cold not calling expose_to_element(). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=70c693166ff8 15:50:05 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2116-g94aee4a: Adjust handling of enemy Icemail melting. 10(24 minutes ago, 2 files, 16+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94aee4ab196a 15:50:05 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2117-g70c6931: Fix staves of fire and cold not calling expose_to_element(). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=70c693166ff8 15:50:09 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:55:29 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:57:48 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:58:07 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:58:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:58:57 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:48 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:02:33 -!- Linuxgirl has quit [Quit: Távozom] 16:03:24 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:07:45 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: rebooting....] 16:09:53 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:53 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Quit: bye] 16:25:52 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2118-gf6a566e: Add a couple of the demonspawn spells to exper_value(). 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6a566e5086a 16:25:52 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2119-gd39c924: Actually render targets immune to consecutive Flash Freezes. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 23+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d39c9245b993 16:25:52 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2120-g6092615: Reroll out-of-range Legendary Destruction spells. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6092615bac57 16:25:52 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2121-g282e352: Only print one cast message for Legendary Destruction. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=282e35288483 16:25:52 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2122-g5820b63: "Fix" monspec for specific faceted nonbase demonspawn. 10(89 seconds ago, 1 file, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5820b6304069 16:25:53 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2118-gf6a566e: Add a couple of the demonspawn spells to exper_value(). 10(32 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6a566e5086a 16:25:53 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2119-gd39c924: Actually render targets immune to consecutive Flash Freezes. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 23+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d39c9245b993 16:25:53 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2120-g6092615: Reroll out-of-range Legendary Destruction spells. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6092615bac57 16:25:53 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2121-g282e352: Only print one cast message for Legendary Destruction. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=282e35288483 16:25:53 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2122-g5820b63: "Fix" monspec for specific faceted nonbase demonspawn. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5820b6304069 16:30:19 Is there any similarity between Legendary destruction and legendary decks of destruction? The name similarity just occurred to me 16:30:37 Only insofar as you can get rare spell effects from it that you can't otherwise get! 16:30:45 (orb of electrocution anybody?) 16:30:57 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2123-g85d3b5d: Fix a grand avatar-related crash. 10(61 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85d3b5d8a6b3 16:30:59 is "legendary destruction" a single spell or what 16:31:01 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2123-g85d3b5d: Fix a grand avatar-related crash. 10(64 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85d3b5d8a6b3 16:31:03 If Asterion ever gets in, he'll also have it 16:31:09 and is there a reason for monster demonspawn getting a bunch of special spell effects that aren't available elsewhere, especially considering they're a player species? 16:31:19 And yeah, orb of electrocution a good example, since that's legendary spark 16:31:25 Ask the original designer; I'm just the implementer <_< 16:31:30 who's that? 16:31:39 Grunt: You've set up the situation perfectly... 16:31:40 hangedman aka tenofswords aka claws... 16:31:58 * Grunt eyes gammafunk suspiciously. 16:32:03 it seems kind of bizarre for a player race's monster version to have a ton of spells nothing else has and that players can't learn 16:32:09 tenofswords: ???? 16:32:40 If you think about it, we already have bits and pieces of this with draconian enemies, though. 16:32:58 someone can maybe see up a learndb chain for demonspawn monsters that says see Grunt[n] that says see HangedMan[m] that says see Claws[r] ... 16:33:00 Completely different breath weapons, spells largely unique to the nonbase draconian enemies (Summon Drakes, Blink Allies Encircling, ...) 16:33:02 *set up 16:33:27 I guess 16:35:06 G-Flex: Ensuring player/monster symmetry seems to often not be the best way to make interesting monsters. 16:35:06 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:35:12 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:16 gammafunk: I'm not asking for 100% symmetry 16:36:37 but going too far in the other direction without reason is also not necessarily a good thing 16:36:43 There have been murmurs about making player effects based on some of these, in any case. 16:37:26 Hm, I wonder what's the most extreme example of a "player monster" that's just completely different from the player species 16:37:34 gargoyles 16:37:36 <_< >_> <_< >_> 16:37:38 Well, it's hard since many of the player monsters aren't well designed 16:37:39 yeah 16:38:01 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:38:16 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:25 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 16:38:27 imo monster mummies have better design than player mummies 16:38:39 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:38:41 I agree 16:39:07 (fr bring back MuPr, give them the mummy god who gives them Summon Undead, smiting, torment...) 16:39:21 Pure damage death curses can go to hell. 16:39:22 Grunt: What about that crazy artefact proposal that makes you into a lich 16:39:30 !hs bloax 16:39:31 572. Bloax the Wrestler (L27 GrMo), worshipper of Cheibriados, escaped with the Orb and 10 runes on 2013-09-14 23:12:19, with 18264384 points after 36395 turns and 6:01:07. 16:39:35 bloax did you see 16:39:38 !hs bloax !won 16:39:38 !hs * god=chei 16:39:39 562. Bloax the Axe Maniac (L27 LOBe), worshipper of Trog, blasted by a Hell Sentinel (iron shot) (kmap: evilmike_mini_pan_pillars) in Pandemonium on 2013-06-25 07:16:09, with 1047676 points after 67838 turns and 6:49:28. 16:39:39 20902. zugundertherug the Middleweight Champion (L27 OpMo), worshipper of Cheibriados, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-09-01 04:41:05, with 28949718 points after 51316 turns and 15:14:24. 16:39:46 Zug did a nice chei run 16:39:58 "run" 16:40:03 <_< 16:40:05 thinks you should slow down. 16:40:08 i'm proud 16:43:06 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:43:11 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:45:06 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:45:25 -!- maha_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 16:46:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 16:47:30 Just seen: "The plant falls into the water!" 16:47:34 ...this seems off somehow. 16:48:27 maybe the floor dropped out from underneath it 16:48:53 or it was growing on the wall and the wall was removed 16:49:07 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:49:27 ??it 16:49:27 it[1/36]: It fall off the wall. 16:51:23 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:23 Grunt: good comment in c21c0b0 16:57:40 %git c21c0b0 16:57:41 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2115-gc21c0b0: Monstrous demonspawn prefer not to use weapons (tenofswords). 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c21c0b05395c 16:57:46 <3 16:58:15 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:44 Grunt: I was thinking of having my monster have MONUSE_ARMOUR instead of MONUSE_WEAPONS_ARMOUR, but then I saw that MONUSE_ARMOUR doesn't exist :( 16:59:48 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 16:59:54 Yeah, hence the rest of that comment. 17:00:01 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds] 17:00:21 yes, that commit showed me how I could achieve what I wanted though 17:00:41 I think monstrous Ds is a better case for that, now that I think about it 17:01:14 they are basically demon trolls 17:02:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:02:14 oh! A vault with a monstrous Ds under a bridge with hell hogs fleeing, scared to cross 17:02:20 Not quite accurate, but close enough 17:02:28 we already have a troll bridge 17:02:35 do we? 17:02:43 !vault troll_bridge 17:02:45 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/8661894 17:03:10 Maybe put shome sheep in that 17:03:12 wow nice chance of a d:9 deep troll 17:03:34 deep troll (08T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 38-70 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 27, 20, 20 | 10doors, sense invisible, regen | Res: 06magic(40) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 726 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 17:03:34 %??deep troll 17:03:37 iron troll (10T) | Spd: 7 | HD: 16 | HP: 69-108 | AC/EV: 20/4 | Dam: 35, 25, 25 | 10doors, regen | Res: 06magic(106), 05fire, 02cold | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 775 | Sz: Big | Int: normal. 17:03:37 %??iron troll 17:03:42 troll (07T) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 20, 15, 15 | 10doors, regen | Res: 06magic(28) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 305 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 17:03:42 %??troll 17:04:01 why do iron trolls exist 17:04:06 to be slow trolls 17:04:17 rock troll (15T) | Spd: 8 | HD: 11 | HP: 43-76 | AC/EV: 13/6 | Dam: 30, 20, 20 | 10doors, regen | Res: 06magic(58) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 376 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 17:04:17 %0.10?rock troll 17:04:30 unknown monster: "moon_troll" 17:04:30 %??moon_troll 17:04:33 :( 17:04:33 also because rock trolls were even more boring 17:04:40 were they 17:04:47 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:59 i dunno iron trolls are so ridiculously rare i don't understand them 17:05:10 they spawn in forest and maybe somewhere else 17:05:20 vaults as well 17:05:21 <|amethyst> gammafunk: oh, I was thinking of a different story involving demonspawn and pigs 17:05:25 <|amethyst> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism_of_the_Gerasene_demoniac 17:05:33 i do get angry when i have to fight them much like with curse skulls, but they aren't as frustrating as curse skulls 17:05:38 |amethyst: haha, right 17:05:38 <|amethyst> s/pawn// 17:05:39 so imo rather remove those 17:06:06 curse skulls are my second favorite newcrypt monster 17:06:11 confused hell hogs drowning next to a Ds priest like monster 17:06:21 Patch to remove energy randomization by Siegurt 17:06:35 Patch to remove energy randomization by Siegurt 17:07:01 "if you're morbidly curious about the ongoing discussion" 17:07:03 oh dear 17:07:07 tavern is being dumb again 17:07:53 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 17:09:28 -!- Android14 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:43 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:10:22 -!- Android14 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:14:07 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:16:43 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:18:29 -!- Naphistim has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:21:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:21:48 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:23:05 g-flex: something worth noting is that all of the demonspawn classes are _priests_ 17:24:05 it's not explicitly stated pretty much everywhere besides the devwiki proposal, admittedly, but much of the stuff is meant as extensions of god stuff as the main source of inspiration and driving theme 17:25:15 e.g. blood saints worship makhleb/vehumet and have super conjurations + weird healing, warmongers are oka/trog and have a super-battlesphere represent heroism/finesse and a ridiculously dangerous anti-spell-success hex to represent trog's antimagic, etc 17:25:27 should probably write that more into the descriptions 17:25:54 (also should clearly have xom cast chaotic mirror) 17:30:08 !whichgod ds 17:30:09 325 recent wins: 48x Trog, 43x Kikubaaqudgha, 42x Ashenzari, 36x Okawaru, 35x Makhleb, 33x Vehumet, 20x Jiyva, 16x Yredelemnul, 12x Lugonu, 12x Xom, 8x Nemelex Xobeh, 7x Fedhas, 7x Cheibriados, 6x Sif Muna 17:30:23 what, no love for the third-most popular ds god? :P 17:30:55 I couldn't come up with any ash monster ideas! 17:31:08 permamark 17:31:21 besides that and that is rather silly 17:33:31 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:33:38 I mean, I vaguely considered some kinds of weird scholars and temptors of magic with a ash/sif combo except that the most prominent random spell source is already a famous pan monster 17:34:32 i guess a god designed around being passive doesn't make for great monster ideas 17:34:51 famous pan monster? 17:34:58 pandemonium lord 17:35:37 oh, random pan lords 17:36:34 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:18 if I remember correctly tiles won't even build in the demonspawn-enemies branch 17:38:39 -!- buki has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:39:01 it's been kind of a moving target with all the commits recently, I'm sure 17:40:35 -!- syllogism has quit [] 17:40:44 but surely it should be fun to draw blood saints 17:41:11 I predict more than one bloax tile for ds enemies 17:41:25 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:39 he can draw the surely-weird appearance of black suns, at least 17:41:44 hrm, and archaeo never made those ds monster descriptions 17:42:29 wait, they're all priests? 17:42:56 Lightli: no, see the commits in the branch 17:43:03 oh 17:44:18 (only the xom one isn't since priest of xom is, errrrr) 17:44:30 (screw you antimagic users in extended) 17:44:35 -!- Vaporware has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45:08 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 17:46:46 Exclude firewood from Ctrl-V except for Fedhas worshippers by chris 17:46:46 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:46 yeah, I'm more worried about warmongers 17:47:01 Exclude firewood from Ctrl-V except for Fedhas worshippers by chris 17:48:37 99% of all characters that try extended do so with the backbone of magic 17:48:44 or at least some of it 17:48:46 maybe 17:49:04 whatever, point is that sap magic is bad 17:49:26 what, monster spell that is not good for you? 17:49:32 have you informed authorities 17:50:49 well, it does mean that you can't just spam storms all over the place 17:52:52 or rather single-target conjurations; storm spells will probably kill them fast enough for you to not care, but stuff like LCS and Iron Shot will quickly drop in usability long before everything dies 17:55:00 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:44 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 17:58:09 it hardly matters much anyway since with a straight mr check for the average race at xl 27 one is immune with just one extra mr source 17:58:40 (this is of Course in part why I'm going to add BEAM_VULNERABILITY to chaos effects) 17:58:48 you could give them af klown 17:59:38 af_klown would probably play better than chain of chaos but I am naturally reluctant to use that more than once 18:00:43 when i tested around with chain of chaos it just didn't play well at all 18:01:06 was this after the thing where the chaos effects would get stuck on one type of effect 18:01:09 was fixed 18:01:19 before 18:01:52 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 18:02:00 there was also a hack made to block banish and polymorph 18:02:26 i'd rather have banishment than paralysis when i'm doing pan i guess 18:02:35 still, it almost definitely gets caught on allies, but still, that is sort of meant as balance alongside their smiting hd-check for random paralysis or berserk 18:02:44 (...what am I saying) 18:05:29 is duplication still one of the effects for them 18:06:34 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:53 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:07:12 well, I'm rather sure that both chaos sources are using _chaos_beam_flavour, e.g. the cloud and ranged types of chaos rather than the brand 18:07:14 Quote for flight spell by Arrhythmia 18:11:29 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:12:02 Quote for flight spell by Arrhythmia 18:12:13 Really, it needs its own beam/damage/whatever type if we want to fine-tune the effects properly. 18:12:21 probably 18:12:28 New branch created: melee_linear_damage (1 commit) 18:12:28 03galehar02 07[melee_linear_damage] * 0.14-a0-2081-g0897360: Change the weapon delay formula. 10(12 months ago, 4 files, 53+ 48-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=08973601b283 18:16:39 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:40 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:04 New branch created: melee_linear_damage (1 commit) 18:17:04 03galehar02 07[melee_linear_damage] * 0.14-a0-2081-g0897360: Change the weapon delay formula. 10(12 months ago, 4 files, 53+ 48-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=08973601b283 18:18:00 (by the way, for whatever it's worth, I'm editing / complicating demonspawn bands at the moment) 18:19:42 could ' && i_feel_safe()' be added to line 1488 of food.cc? 18:19:59 this would make easy eat chunks not autoeat in a cloud or with monsters around 18:20:33 (if for example you pressed 'e' instead of 'd') 18:21:25 oh wait, it should be i_feel_safe(false) 18:22:19 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2124-g5dc3298: Fix tiles compilation. 10(25 seconds ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dc32985b73d 18:22:23 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2124-g5dc3298: Fix tiles compilation. 10(29 seconds ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dc32985b73d 18:24:38 i don't feel like writing a patch for a one-liner, though 18:27:20 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:27:36 I wonder if Grunt's fix was to remove tiles 18:27:53 * Grunt notices that the current monster demonspawn tile is essentially the player demonspawn tile. Not that this is surprising. 18:29:37 are ds monster & in console, I'd assume so 18:29:58 they're 6s 18:30:03 they're @ 18:30:13 (6s in the branch) 18:30:21 ok yes 18:30:28 (sorry people who want 6s for sixfirhies) 18:30:40 %git HEAD^{demonspawn} 18:30:40 Could not find commit HEAD^{demonspawn} (git returned 128) 18:30:44 %git HEAD^{/demonspawn} 18:30:45 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1844-g8283a67: Compat settings: demonspawn were darkgrey as well. 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8283a6738187 18:30:47 %git demonspawn-enemies 18:30:47 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-2124-g5dc3298: Fix tiles compilation. 10(9 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5dc32985b73d 18:31:01 i know i'm looking for ones not on that branch 18:31:01 (search that branch instead of head if you want details) 18:31:07 oh 18:31:15 -!- Unflexed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:31:16 %git HEAD^{/demonspawn}^^{/demonspawn} 18:31:16 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1801-gf9b7593: Repaint demonspawn brown. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9b759332c46 18:31:38 ok yes, they're @ in console now 18:31:49 but the removed comment is now true 18:32:57 6s, wow 18:33:12 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:01 would you prefer something else 18:34:30 ??glyphs 18:34:30 glyphs[1/1]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html 18:34:54 (Speaking of glyphs, something something grand avatar.) 18:35:22 9 is almost unused... 18:35:28 9 is gargoyles. 18:35:29 Clearly the omega symbol 18:35:42 (clearly my next project will be gargoyle-enemies) 18:35:42 can't place dummy monster: "animated tree" 18:35:42 %??animated tree 18:35:51 tenofswords: It's just kind of funny; most of those monsters are far worse than say an ufetbe....the other t-5s 18:35:57 *those ds monsters 18:36:07 do you want to remove iron trolls before adding more of them 18:36:12 well clearly that reflects their nature as descendents of demons! 18:36:40 man I really should rename metal gargoyles to war gargoyles and make them speed 14 and have metal splinters and maces 18:36:54 and put them in V and change the dis vaults and blah blah blah 18:36:58 ds could be on % 18:37:01 almost unused 18:37:16 % being an enemy glyph at all is... well... 18:37:19 want to feed you to a curse skull right now 18:37:24 hehe, demon cobs 18:37:27 death cobbers 18:37:35 put grand avatar on % and flavour it as animal crackers 18:37:49 grand avatar can go on 0 18:37:59 it's not an orb! 18:38:02 not yet 18:38:24 chrisoelmueller: what, what's wrong with a fast ranged good-defense low-health threat 18:38:25 the docs clearly state that 0 is for all orbs 18:38:36 it even cuts having a weaker iron troll 18:38:46 tenofswords: iron trolls are none of those?? 18:38:51 tenofswords: are you sure that's also what Grunt had in mind 18:39:00 chrisoelmueller: good point 18:39:03 i guess iron trolls have good defenses, but that's it 18:39:06 hey grunt go code what I just said 18:39:23 "it worked once" 18:39:30 wheals: I suggest re-un-tangling my speech 18:39:52 oh i thought ChrisOelmueller said "want to feed you to a curse skull right now" to me 18:39:58 which i did 18:40:03 ohhhh 18:40:19 * Grunt rattles his jaw. 18:40:25 because % is really a problematic glyph 18:40:41 the solution is obvious: Qemonspawn 18:40:42 just throw them onto P 18:40:55 ...errr, death cobs 18:41:09 the descendant of qwarfs and demons 18:41:43 that's where the mountain dwarves went 18:41:50 they all mutated into their true forms 18:42:03 into their tree forms 18:42:08 Your mountain dwarf ancestry asserts itself... 18:42:59 as the animate trees spell quote mentions, md and trees are deathly enemies 18:43:14 they all died in the great war against forest 18:44:03 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:44:17 -!- Bodrick has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:44:26 fr forest vault with sevreal MD corpses 18:44:34 I'd kind of like "Sap Magic" to become "Taint Magic", but perhaps that's more confusing 18:44:40 what's a forest vault 18:44:49 is that a vault in lair with trees 18:44:55 and if forest goes away a ghost qwarf branch will pop up? 18:45:17 forest and dwarf are going to rotate, entrance is on elf:7 18:45:18 "Sap Magic" sounds like something cast by a Treant <_< 18:45:37 the working name in the proposal was "punishment of excess" 18:46:00 warmongers are simple folk that hate decadent magic 18:46:01 That's a bit abstract 18:46:19 can't place dummy monster: "moth" 18:46:19 %??moth 18:46:36 can't place dummy monster: "sensed monster" 18:46:36 %??sensed monster 18:46:39 !send wheals ghost moths 18:46:39 Sending ghost moths to wheals. 18:46:50 unknown monster: "it" 18:46:50 %??it 18:46:52 alas 18:47:05 it (06x) | Spd: 30 | HD: 7 | HP: 26-52 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 12 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(28) | XP: 732 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 18:47:05 %??unseen horror name:it n_rpl n_des 18:47:43 cousin it? 18:47:54 red very ugly thing (04u) | Spd: 11 (act: 110%) | HD: 12 | HP: 50-82 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 1804(napalm) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(48), 05fire++, 04napalm | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 833 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 18:47:54 %??very_ugly_thing name:something 18:47:56 that's a hairy devil 18:48:00 doh 18:48:16 itt (044) | Speed: 10 | HD: 7 | Health: 24-52 | AC/EV: 7/10 | Damage: 12, 12 | Flags: 05demonic | Res: 06magic(37), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 224. 18:48:16 %0.9?hairy devil name:itt 18:48:17 unknown monster: "orange devil" 18:48:17 %??orange devil name:something n_rpl n_des 18:48:22 something (044) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 38-66 | AC/EV: 3/7 | Dam: 1005(reach)04(poison, weakness), 8 | 05demonic | Res: 06magic(64), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 417 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 18:48:22 %??orange demon name:something n_rpl n_des 18:48:36 i like how it's so "it" nobody remembers its name 18:49:03 fr: unique unseen horror named "The Horror" 18:49:04 or at least i had trouble with orange "dude" earlier also 18:49:36 of course creates a note with "The Horror, The Horror" when encountered 18:49:42 the horror (06x) | Spd: 30 | HD: 16 | HP: 71-106 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 12 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(64) | XP: 2916 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 18:49:42 %??unseen horror hd:16 name:the_horror n_rpl n_des 18:50:13 sounds like a sprint monster 18:50:39 <|amethyst> it is the only 'demon' on 4 18:50:50 <|amethyst> it should trade words with ice devils 18:51:47 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:52:01 ice devil even says demon in the desc 18:53:22 <|amethyst> and tormentor says devil 18:53:27 -!- Bodrick has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:43 clearly tormentor should be a 4 18:54:07 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 18:54:47 the important part is the descriptor anyway, so I propose that all games randomize naming these things as devils or demons or daemons or delmonds 18:56:19 A mail dæmon comes into view. 18:57:12 "orange foo" 18:57:39 i suggested that dsomething's name be anagrammed every game 18:57:47 nobody seemed interesting 18:57:51 interested* 18:57:53 <|amethyst> dekker desmond 18:58:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:59:20 doesn't jiyva already kinda do that ontoclasm ? I guess the "jiyva" part is the same 19:03:32 -!- Sombrero_Mott has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:32 -!- eith|3 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:05 -!- Zeor has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:06:05 -!- AlsoZeor is now known as Zeor 19:06:33 -!- eith|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:07:06 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:07:06 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:10:30 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:36 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:15:07 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 19:20:29 ontoclasm: i like that idea 19:20:29 minmay: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:25:16 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:33 ... doesn't that make looking it up in learndb or /? or the manual harder? 19:25:58 I mean it's not a problem with Jiyva since Jiyva has more to its name than the random part ... 19:27:40 are gods even in the manual? 19:27:56 (plus you can't really search the manual very well ingame) 19:28:04 true 19:28:11 but yeah, it would have to at least always start with d 19:28:14 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 19:31:34 and then after failing to find it, the player types "dsomething!" in disgust 19:31:38 -!- robotcentaur has left ##crawl-dev 19:31:53 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:25 -!- hayuto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:32:30 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:32:48 or it could just have a good name 19:34:37 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:34:58 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:09 has doroklohe been suggested? 19:39:38 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:07 ITYM Dooroklohe 19:44:31 dorkohole 19:44:47 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:44 i'm just glad we've firmly shut the door god proposal 19:47:33 It was an open and shut case. 19:52:06 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:54:45 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 19:58:20 -!- klz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:00:34 door god? 20:01:25 (doors for the door god!) 20:03:04 ...ugh. I just had an awesome mental image of what all of the base demonspawn enemy tiles should look like, and have nowhere near the artistic skill to actually make them. <_< 20:03:28 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:03:32 FR: mental camera 20:03:53 no 20:03:57 grunt, make an implementable 20:03:58 that would clearly be divintations 20:04:12 and involve those descriptions 20:04:14 this is an FR for RL 20:04:28 -!- Raycaster has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:05:26 -!- alreadyinuse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:07:29 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08:16 SamB: I believe the result would be a Grunt selfie :P 20:08:16 greensnark: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:09:01 also I read "mental" as "metal", which clearly should be an inspiration for ds tiles 20:09:07 * Grunt gestures. The hellfire explodes! The burst of hellfire engulfs greensnark! 20:09:26 * greensnark disappears in a puff of logic. 20:10:58 fr: logic clouds 20:11:20 they dispel? 20:11:33 Toggle a random boolean in you's members 20:12:14 tenofswords: you mean dëmönspäwn? 20:13:00 add more monster glyphs based on accents 20:16:28 not sure if this is a bug but uh 20:16:34 tried to use mass confusion and got: "Erolcha resists with almost no effort." 20:16:42 then used regular confusion and got: "Erolcha struggles to resist." 20:16:54 they're both single-school hexes, neither is at the power cap 20:16:55 so ???? 20:17:21 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:17:55 and that reflects the resist roll, not a power thing 20:19:11 no, it reflects /chance/ to resist now 20:19:35 mrr, since the change it seems to vary too much for that 20:19:43 so I assumed it was the result of the roll 20:19:49 SamB: they're actually making some progress on that 20:19:53 it's not the result of the roll 20:19:55 if it's supposed to be as you say then yes it is buggy 20:19:59 it's the same every time for every spell 20:20:05 the difference here is between two spells 20:20:16 so the chance probably isn't the same across two spells, wonder why though 20:20:17 Mass confusion should have higher power than confusion 20:20:24 no it shouldn't 20:20:26 The mass spells have a 1.5x multiplier 20:20:28 they're both single-school hexes 20:20:28 oh 20:20:29 weird 20:20:37 maybe something is wrong with that then 20:20:40 it seems to be backwards though 20:20:40 Are you sure you don't have those messages reversed? 20:20:44 yes 20:20:49 I'll take a look 20:21:46 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:23:00 ... 20:23:14 Okay, the issue seems to be that mass confuse is NOT reporting the same message every time 20:23:20 oh, it's not? 20:23:22 Unlike confuse 20:23:24 I only had the one message 20:23:31 I got it to give me several 20:23:33 why would it have a different chance of effect each time 20:23:34 I suspect it's using the old system 20:23:35 oh I forgot to pull a while back that explains some things 20:23:39 weird 20:23:39 -!- Naphistim has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:23:42 That is kind of weird 20:23:51 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:23:54 I haven't looked at the code that's supposed to report resists in a standardized way 20:25:10 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all!] 20:25:50 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:27:21 Okay, oddly it looks like the code is the same in both places 20:27:25 But I defintiely got a different result 20:27:42 then maybe mass confusion is using different power each time somehow 20:27:43 something like that 20:27:49 hmm, the same code in two places? 20:27:52 why??? 20:28:37 Oh, wait, nevermind 20:29:01 Basically it looks like that commit only changed it for enchantment beams 20:29:02 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:12 There's a ton of other places that have resistable effects 20:30:10 I suppose many of them just say 'You resist' no matter the difficulty anyway 20:30:10 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:54 (That also possibly ought to be changed) 20:31:02 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:59 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:32:11 It looks like the mass enchantments are probably the only things currently that print a resist-effort message (and not just 'resist' no matter what) and yet vary this based on roll 20:32:16 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:33 Oh, and golden eyeball confusion 20:32:52 Some of this wouldn't be too hard to fix 20:32:57 so basically 20:32:59 someone goofed 20:33:04 golden eye, giant eyeball, eye of draining 20:33:07 Well, I wouldn't go quite that far 20:33:10 why are eyes so inconsistently named 20:33:11 You can't resist the latter two 20:33:13 Oh 20:33:16 Golden eyeballs are too powerful or 20:33:30 just that the resist message is inconsistent 20:33:33 Neither 20:33:38 Oh, inconsistent 20:33:39 Yes 20:33:51 unknown monster: "golden eyeball" 20:33:51 %??golden eyeball 20:33:56 golden eye (08G) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 7-18 | AC/EV: 0/20 | lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), asphyx, 12drown | XP: 190 | Sp: blink, confusion gaze | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 20:33:56 %??golden eye 20:37:09 golden eyes don't include the ball 20:37:20 they're just the iris 20:41:28 do giant eyeballs include the optic nerve 20:41:48 giant optic nerve 20:51:03 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:52:12 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 20:54:28 -!- xFleury has quit [Client Quit] 21:04:35 -!- _hayuto is now known as hayuto 21:05:13 -!- Turgor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:07:08 the grand avatar is blinking even when it's in melee range 21:07:55 Right now it's set up to go back to its summoner after performing an attack that triggered it. 21:08:04 Would you rather have it hang around the last thing it attacked? 21:08:22 that would be sensible 21:08:41 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:09:27 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:08 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 21:11:20 -!- eith|3 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:32 -!- eith|3 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:12 "The gelid blood saint's icy envelope dissipates! You hit the gelid blood saint but do no damage. You kill the gelid blood saint!" 21:13:27 Yeah, a lot of that code needs cleanup to make that not happen. 21:13:31 It happens with unrand effects too. 21:13:37 welp 21:16:22 -!- Basil has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:28 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2125-ge7ec943: Grand avatars hang out near the last target they attacked (tenofswords). 10(72 seconds ago, 1 file, 10+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7ec943b52af 21:16:28 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2125-ge7ec943: Grand avatars hang out near the last target they attacked (tenofswords). 10(72 seconds ago, 1 file, 10+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7ec943b52af 21:17:17 I wonder if test spawners should get planerend alongside shadow creatures 21:20:20 -!- alefury has quit [] 21:20:36 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 21:22:28 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:31 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:23:51 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:57 -!- Unnngh has quit [Quit: vanishes in a puff of smoke] 21:26:21 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:27:29 which Makefile option changes the rcs directory location? or is that 100% set by webserver/config.py? 21:27:40 I edited DATADIR, SAVEDIR, and SHAREDDIR 21:29:17 what's going to happen with vine stalkers anyways? 21:29:18 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:32:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:34:26 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:40 grand avatar? 21:40:07 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:40:24 ontoclasm: it's the oka/trog ds-enemy invo, it's a combination battlesphere and spectral weapon 21:41:02 there are no ideas as to what glyph it should be with a very full *, have any ideas better than lightmagenta W 21:41:18 (Definitely not @.) 21:41:47 before all this happened I was going to take a crack at the W/p/@ moving-around stuff 21:42:03 I've pondered R, seeing as I have no idea what R is supposed to be right now. 21:42:14 spiRit 21:42:23 i liked the 8 idea 21:42:25 RepResentative spiRit 21:42:31 ...now how did I describe the avatar again 21:42:47 that description needs updating for the launcher use 21:42:54 "An avatar of battle and bloodshed" 21:43:01 clearly s/avatar/spirit/ and move it to the R glyph <_< 21:43:33 (the first bit just in the description, obviously) 21:43:41 rename it shadow and move it to dithmengos demonspawns 21:44:12 * Grunt casts a spell. 27 Shadow Fiends come into view. 21:45:01 dithmengos/trog demonspawn clearly have a hex that blocks any fire magic use 21:45:09 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:58 rip fire storm 21:46:00 may be a silly question but how do I look for commits with a keyword? 21:46:17 for example... commits that affected shops 21:46:23 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:46:41 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=summary 21:46:51 %git HEAD^{/[Ss]hop} 21:46:51 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1768-g2a55ee8: Don't spawn kennysheep shops on D:1-3. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a55ee8b3caa 21:46:52 put shop in the box on the upper right 21:47:09 what happened with vs anywys 21:47:11 *anyways 21:48:34 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 21:48:37 I keep misspelling "corrupter" as "corruptor" 21:48:49 tenofswords: just like "sorcerer" and "sorceror"? 21:48:56 ??arcane marksman 21:48:56 arcane marksman[1/2]: A Hunter with magic, or a Skald with a bow. Or a crossbow, or some javelins. Starts with an average ranged weapon and a {Book of Debilitation}. 21:48:57 sourcerer 21:49:00 ??arcane marksman [2] 21:49:00 arcane marksman[2/2]: Like a hunter but with hexes too. And fireballs. Starts with the Book of Debilitation. 21:49:07 !send tenofswords the hat of the High Council 21:49:07 Sending the hat of the High Council to tenofswords. 21:49:35 conjurer 21:50:11 oh wait it does have an e 21:50:32 is this an en_au versus en_gb thing? 21:51:17 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:53:22 -!- Quashie has quit [Client Quit] 21:54:42 thanks grunt 21:54:46 -!- DayBay has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:57:40 hrm, even with somewhat-smaller bands and dillutionary other demons, putting demonspawns into lev-pand.cc means a lot of bands 21:58:11 only one of the previous "always place into a slot" monsters had even a chance for a band 21:58:51 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:58:55 It's quite possible to just place less things in total if there's too many things spawning as a result of this 21:58:58 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:59:49 You also don't *always* have to place it with a band, cf. vampire knights. 22:00:13 (Or yaktaurs, or centaurs, or...) 22:02:50 -!- tenofswords_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:43 fair enough 22:07:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:11:54 -!- morik has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:11:57 -!- morik_ is now known as moriik 22:11:59 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:00 -!- moriik is now known as morik 22:12:32 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 22:12:45 -!- tenofswords_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:13:38 -!- morik has quit [Client Quit] 22:18:34 -!- fugazi is now known as Guest94384 22:20:36 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:32:13 -!- fearitself has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:35:07 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13.1-27-ga479965 22:35:42 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 22:35:52 -!- nubcakes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:43:40 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:34 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:52 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:51 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:28 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:50:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:52:02 -!- archaeo has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:03 -!- archaeo has quit [Client Quit] 22:56:48 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:57:38 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 22:57:48 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 22:58:26 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:59:12 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 23:02:29 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:05:22 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:50 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 23:08:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:31 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:15 -!- cr0ne has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:19:42 -!- thedefinite has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 23:21:31 having some tougher, solo monstrous DS could be interesting/flavorful 23:21:31 Eronarn: You have 91 messages. Use !messages to read them. 23:21:36 don't always have to be in packs 23:26:55 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27:55 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:28:26 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:29:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:31:03 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:38:53 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:38:57 -!- AlphaQ_ is now known as AlphaQ 23:41:22 -!- ssteam has quit [Client Quit] 23:41:28 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:47:10 -!- MP2E has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:47:25 -!- MP2E_ has quit [Client Quit] 23:48:56 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2080-ge317583 (34) 23:49:38 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 23:49:59 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:56:57 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 253 seconds]