00:00:39 i was thinking rN+, rTorm, something black mark-ish but probably without the healing (and obviously passive) 00:00:46 -!- tenofswords_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:00:52 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 00:01:07 or with very minor healing 00:01:59 i already have a local branch with some rN+ facet stuff so i'll probably mess around with that a bit more at some point, anyway 00:06:25 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2069-gf689adf (34) 00:08:18 clearly instead of me finally learning how to compile said demonspawn branch should be put on experimental for public dev wizmode bugcatching 00:08:18 tenofswords: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:09:32 -!- ten has joined ##crawl-dev 00:11:04 hmm 00:11:23 Skilldrain to afflict everything in los with a black-marky status? 00:11:39 Vaguely thematic I guess due to rN and negativity. 00:12:29 HP cost would perhaps be too close to Hellfire facet 00:12:51 Grunt: Speaking of monsters, did you mind if I tinkered with your Snake stuff? I've been poking at a few related things as I do Forest dispersal work and since I'm touching Lair rune branch balance anyway.... 00:13:18 It's a public branch for exactly that reason. 00:13:26 -!- tenofswords has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:13:28 Fair enough 00:13:32 I didn't know if you'd get there before me :P 00:13:42 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13.1-26-g838d096 (34) 00:13:57 DracoOmega attacks the Forest! The Forestis dispersed! 00:13:59 The Forest dispersal stuff is taking longer than expected, since some of the stuff isn't adapting as clearly as hoped and I'm making all kinds of tweaks to everything as I go along 00:14:08 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:16 And then fixing unrelated 5-year old bugs that I find 00:14:29 That sounds fun 00:15:00 Clearly the disabling commit will be "Burn down Forest." 00:15:03 <_< 00:15:07 Well, all those fear/retreating changes came from trying to make one satyr tweak. And siren's are... um... more convoluted than probably many people know 00:15:49 Maybe Fedhas will die with Forest... 00:15:49 But I am finally starting to wrap up one phase of most of the adaptation 00:15:51 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2069-gf689adf (34) 00:15:58 -!- ten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:16:02 Haven't yet started to work on any population weights 00:16:44 But at least the stuff going in Depths directly doesn't generally need any of its own modification 00:16:53 As opposed to various changes/nerfs for things headed to lower-tier branches 00:16:54 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:01 Will wellsprings survive? 00:17:31 To give the most neutral answer possible: I haven't really looked at the current implementation 00:17:31 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 00:18:44 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:45 Perhaps giving Finisher spectrals access to equipment and spells would differentiate it sufficiently 00:19:55 That sounds rather excessive, though 00:20:09 Yes, that overlaps with yred's enslave ability 00:20:20 which is his highest-tier ability 00:20:57 Believe it or not, I was considering suggesting that (and giving them a really brief duration, like an 'echo'). Though I'm not certain about the spectralization with finisher in the first place, to be honest. 00:21:05 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22:48 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 00:23:13 That's not really what the name evokes in my mind (though I'm not sure what it DOES) 00:23:16 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:19 And not an opposition to the effect itself 00:23:49 Nethack vorpal obviously 00:24:02 Random unconsidered idea: finishing a monster with this weapon torments or otherwise does a bunch of damage to same-genus stuff in sight 00:24:25 Or the exact same monster, maybe 00:24:46 ??necromancy 00:24:46 necromancy[1/4]: Branch of Crawl magic concerned with undeath, unlife, and unholy modification of life. 00:24:48 ??necromancy[2 00:24:48 necromancy[2/4]: Also a book with the following spells: Pain, Animate Skeleton, Vampiric Draining, Dispel Undead, Animate Dead 00:24:54 ??necromancy[3 00:24:54 necromancy[3/4]: Governs spells that make undead things, or suck life force out of your enemies. Casting them pisses "good" gods off. Has a number of excellent combo spells. Many necromantic spells require corpses, which are not available in all parts of the dungeon. 00:26:33 I love how hitting a shock serpent once can cause literally 16 messages about its retaliatory damage :P 00:26:55 Does it chain lightning on hit? 00:26:59 Static discharge 00:27:08 (And then static discharge AGAIN on the flame brand) 00:27:19 mmm 00:27:39 Basil: launches a scythe projectile on some hits targeting a different monster, kind of like Death has in Castlevania 00:28:06 fr: holy water 00:28:11 ??phial 00:28:11 phial of floods[1/1]: The water {elemental evoker}: hits monsters with a beam of water (damage and knockback), making a temporary shallow water pool. Also summons up to 3 {water elemental}s. 00:28:22 phial of holy wrath 00:28:23 Is that not a powerful enough water-based weapon for you? :P 00:29:18 DracoOmega: The fun part is how little damage it does right now. 00:29:27 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:27 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 00:29:27 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:37 (re shock serpents) 00:29:41 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:42 Well, its melee seems somewhat okay 00:29:50 It's good at killing packs of naga when I hit it! :P 00:30:06 Put it in Swamp 00:30:16 no, Spider 00:30:28 Swamp's already getting new (old) stuff 00:30:30 That would be a shocking turn of events. 00:30:42 Spencer the Serpent 00:30:53 -!- omnirizon has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:30:53 toting your new friend along to make the branch go faster 00:31:04 !send Basil the elite marksnaga squad 00:31:04 Sending the elite marksnaga squad to Basil. 00:31:28 !send Grunt a Singularity 00:31:29 Sending a Singularity to Grunt. 00:31:44 !send Basil a torturous chaos champion 00:31:44 Sending a torturous chaos champion to Basil. 00:31:57 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:25 mmm 00:32:34 Need to check if Dark Maul is special 00:33:08 I think it just has a really really low speed and is otherwise plain, code-wise? 00:33:09 If no, there's a fun new spriggan rider vault in the making 00:33:27 spriggan rider....and dark maul? 00:33:28 I am uncertain how the two are connected? 00:33:53 Pretty sure riders or some other Sp are cheaty and get access to 2h weapons 00:33:59 ??spriggan rider 00:34:00 spriggan rider[1/3]: Uses blowguns, but has mediocre melee. On "death," will turn into either a spriggan or a giant firefly. 00:34:06 s??spriggan rider[weapo 00:34:06 I don't have a page labeled spriggan rider[weapo in my learndb. 00:34:22 ??spriggan rider[2 00:34:23 spriggan rider[2/3]: Spriggans ride giant fireflies because said fireflies are an extra half-hand, allowing them to somehow use spears with bucklers or longbows when player spriggans can't. 00:34:40 I don't think I have ever seen a spriggan rider with longbows 00:34:42 Can Ha use longbows? 00:34:44 They don't spawn with them normally anyway 00:34:57 DracoOmega: One sprint equips one with Storm Bow 00:35:01 Oh 00:35:05 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2069-gf689adf 00:35:09 spriggan riders aren't very good enemies, in my experience 00:35:35 They're fast moderate melee. They seemed mostly okay to me. 00:35:37 How does weapon speed affect monsters, anyway? 00:35:45 I can't really tell 00:35:56 Somewhat, yet less-so than players? I've never investigated. 00:37:26 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:38:39 Maybe give Finisher silent Song of Slaying? 00:39:16 1/X chance per turn per point to decay that point, +2/+3 per kill 00:39:35 no, that still doesn't sound good 00:39:55 Extant unholy umbra description by Arrhythmia 00:40:21 Unless 1/X was sufficiently low that it'd only decay to 0 on autotravel 00:40:30 -!- stuntaneous_j has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:40:54 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Excess Flood] 00:42:33 or autotravel between floors, rather 00:43:27 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Excess Flood] 00:45:21 I think I still prefer the idea of something flashier on kills, in a localized sense 00:45:29 But I don't know 00:45:43 And I am hunting down more problems in the monster behavior code T.T 00:45:48 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Excess Flood] 00:46:09 Why can I not leave that stuff alone for a while? There are other parts of the codebase less troublesome to debug! 00:47:25 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:48:14 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Excess Flood] 00:48:44 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:48:47 (Just don't the parts that are entirely a miserable huge pile of bugs.) 00:48:56 *touch the parts 00:49:30 touch them 00:49:35 touch the parts 00:49:37 Well, if they weren't, I mightn't have cause to be looking in the first place 00:50:11 I am fairly sure that like 50% of this project now has been fixing supposedly-working code tangentially related to what I meant to be doing 00:50:13 But such is life 00:50:34 And now I am trying to fix a 0.10-era arena bug 00:50:39 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:50:40 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Excess Flood] 00:50:48 hmm. Making a new octopode enemy, but I don't want Basil to steal my idea and implement it first 00:51:50 Haha. I am git blaming my way backwards to figure out how a line got in the state it's in, as I try to fix a bug with retreating 00:51:59 The commit that last changed this is "Fix the new retreating behavior." 00:53:04 -!- stuntaneous has quit [Excess Flood] 00:53:08 (Essentially the problem seems to be that code which determines reachability of foe is player-centric in a particular way that manifests poorly in the arena) 00:53:19 Though I am sort of surprised no one managed to notice it before 00:53:51 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:54:47 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:55:05 Casting bolt of fire w/ Dith crashes game by Arrhythmia 00:55:22 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13.1-26-g838d096 00:57:44 good bug 01:00:16 singularity? 01:04:06 -!- zerc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:06:30 Lightli: run! 01:06:41 ? 01:06:45 * Lightli runs 01:09:42 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:43 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:14:02 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:14:12 what's the plan with forest anyways 01:14:44 does it involve setting the branch on fire and watching it burn down (i.e. removing it) 01:15:07 or does it involve fixing it up so it's less tedious and unlikable 01:15:33 we could compromise 01:15:37 just make it automatically burn itself down whenever you visit 01:16:37 Preferablly with you still inside 01:17:25 ForestFire, a new crawl gameplay mode 01:17:28 yes 01:17:40 but on the more serious side, what's the plan 01:18:49 (it's working! he thinks there's a plan!) 01:19:35 -!- eith|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:20:28 Well it seems DracoOmega is working on tenofswords forest dispersal proposal 01:20:36 To some degree at least 01:21:09 Lightli: that is to give all sprigans dispersal (or maybe perm.ench:Disjunction) 01:21:34 forest disperal proposal? 01:21:57 Does this mean I can't just not go to forest and thus never deal with the enemies in it because they'll be elsewhere now? 01:22:53 some of them 01:23:51 Have fun! 01:25:24 welp 01:25:51 fr: make crypt spawn more often than forest 01:26:00 75/25 01:26:20 I think it's actually something more 100/0 01:27:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:27:09 :D 01:27:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:27:45 I can live with this 01:30:51 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:32:06 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 01:32:55 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:23 hey people there's a bug with ghouls where finesse does not show up as an option as 5* piety 01:33:32 idk if this is known, or intentional 01:34:35 Not intentional, certainly 01:35:29 Ghouls can't use finesse by Arrhythmia 01:35:50 !send Arrhythmia a silent spectre 01:35:50 Sending a silent spectre to Arrhythmia. 01:35:55 yeah we were just talking about that report 01:35:56 lol 01:36:23 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: hurl] 01:37:50 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:28 -!- bh has quit [Client Quit] 01:46:02 fr: let formacids use finesse 01:48:51 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-2070-g49a5acb: Fix ghouls and mummies being unable to use finesse 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49a5acb71d72 01:50:50 DracoOmega: ty for not crediting Arrhythmia. Sweet justice 01:51:21 Haha, am I missing something? 01:52:24 DracoOmega: No, I just tease him for almost making patches and never submitting them 01:52:35 Ah 01:57:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:59:53 How would a finisher reap souls 02:01:13 it finishes the body off so fast the soul doesn't even have time to move on 02:02:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:02:37 I thought getting the souls to move on was the whole point of the reaper 02:02:53 This reaper was bad at its job. 02:03:19 oh, good, as long as Terry Pratchet didn't lie to me 02:03:34 heh, there's a possibility 02:03:59 So bad that it strands its charges on the wrong side of the Spiritual Divide 02:04:03 something something something 02:06:11 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:07:19 -!- RiotInferno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:07:58 fr let sigmund spawn with finisher 02:08:11 (it's such a horrible idea it doesn't even deserve the :) 02:09:17 any tips on why suddenly http://dev.berotato.org:8081/ won't load? 02:09:38 not running dgamelaunch-config like a regular server. this is just running python webserver/server.py 02:09:58 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 02:10:02 it was working earlier. then I tried to edit it to have an entry for a different binary I just compiled 02:10:03 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:10:14 edited config.py 02:10:47 I'm not sure what it means when it gets stuck saying 'loading...' 02:16:38 -!- ghallberg has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:06 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.13.1-26-g838d096 02:19:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:20:14 %version 02:20:15 trunk: 0.14-a0-2061-g6c6fb9c; 0.13: 0.13.1-25-g341c717; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 02:20:18 ^version 02:20:18 trunk: 0.14-a0-2061-g6c6fb9c; 0.13: 0.13.1-26-g838d096 02:20:30 !version 02:20:32 trunk: 0.14-a0-2061-g6c6fb9c; 0.13: 0.13.1-25-g341c717; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 02:21:41 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:22:36 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:24:14 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2070-g49a5acb (34) 02:26:50 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 02:39:50 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:40:37 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:47:31 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:51:42 -!- Android14 has joined ##crawl-dev 02:51:57 -!- Android14 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53:34 -!- jacobian has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:58:34 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:21 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:59:57 what's with the new quicksilver dragon tile? 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0.14-a0-2071-g7172c92 (34) 11:08:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:17:02 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:17:34 -!- rphillips has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 11:21:45 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:58 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:23:23 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:27:18 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:28:45 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:32:52 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:21 -!- jacobian has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:39:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:52:50 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:12 -!- AndChat|49209 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:42 -!- araganzar has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:57:44 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:02:12 <|amethyst> Grunt: Is it intentional that the spells.txt entry is titled "Legendary Destruction spells" in the plural? 12:02:13 |amethyst: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 12:02:19 just to confirm: i no longer need to take escape hatches and trapdoors in orc mines to make sure I fully explore it? 12:02:56 |amethyst: oops 12:02:58 |doh 12:03:00 .. 12:03:05 I can't even type on IRC :( 12:04:24 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2098-g14036b1: Properly name Legendary Destruction description entry (|amethyst). 10(55 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=14036b167737 12:06:27 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 12:07:00 <|amethyst> Grunt: when I saw "greaterer" in the Planerend, I thought it was intentional, until I saw the commit that fixed it :) 12:07:05 <|amethyst> Grunt: Summon Greaterer Demon 12:07:44 Summon Pandemonium Lord 12:09:11 <|amethyst> My first thought on the spell name, however, was "someone misspelled Planar End" 12:09:20 <|amethyst> maybe Plane Rend would be better 12:09:37 very much so 12:09:43 i was also very confused at first 12:11:25 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 26.0/20131215102647]] 12:12:31 what's demonspawn-enemies 12:12:31 absolutego: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:13:01 ChrisOelmueller: did you get muck 12:13:19 <|amethyst> absolutego: see https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=user:hangedman#faceted_classed_demonspawn_for_pan for the general idea 12:13:35 <|amethyst> (and much of the specifics for that matter) 12:13:49 oh, pan, prob. a good idea 12:13:52 hm 12:14:09 I can't place "2 nonbase demonspawn band" in arena, which I thought was a mistake on my part, but neither can I place "2 nonbase draconian band" 12:14:15 (one works fine) 12:16:34 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:43 -!- Turgor has quit [] 12:19:12 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:20:22 -!- AndChat-49209 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:23:29 -!- jacobian has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:24:42 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:19 <|amethyst> Grunt: an even weaker sufficient condition: put anything on the team before the nonbase (or base) draconian band 12:26:34 <|amethyst> Grunt: plant, nonbase draconian band v kobold fails 12:26:39 <|amethyst> Grunt: plant, draconian band v kobold works 12:26:59 Well, the "draconian" doesn't have a band, so of course it works! 12:27:01 <|amethyst> I imagine something in the draconian-specific mondef code is forcing placement 12:27:38 <|amethyst> (it works with "plant, orc warrior band", too, which does exist 12:27:39 <|amethyst> ) 12:27:56 More specifically: "plant, warmonger band v kobold" works, as does "plant, draconian annihilator band v kobold" 12:28:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:58 <|amethyst> actually 12:29:02 <|amethyst> doesn't even need the band 12:29:08 o_O 12:29:09 <|amethyst> plant, nonbase draconian v kobold fails as well 12:29:25 <|amethyst> as does plant, lesser demon v kobold 12:30:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:30:51 hm 12:32:38 <|amethyst> oh 12:33:16 I think I see what's happening... 12:35:15 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:35:48 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:35:53 Atomjack (L19 DsIE) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 110: ZotDef: monster fire elemental failed to pathfind to (39,17) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 12:36:11 (monster something failed to pathfind) 12:40:35 Yeah, got it. 12:42:13 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:17 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2099-ga53592e: Properly pick locations for arena random demons/draconians/demonspawn. 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a53592e889f6 12:45:24 demonspawn! 12:45:27 <3 Grunt 12:45:32 (plz make them 6 glyph) 12:46:26 they happen to be that 12:46:34 good, good, yes 12:48:22 how is being forced into бfirhies or similar abominations good :( 12:55:25 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:27 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:25 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:05:42 -!- RZX is now known as rzimodnar 13:15:50 what is the proper way to get the webserver to work after a new clone? 13:16:29 webserver/static and webserver/game_data/static are missing files 13:16:48 I think most of them come from /source/dat/tiles 13:17:22 but I tried copying them and the tiles look screwed up. or maybe I screwed up a merge 13:18:34 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 13:21:55 <|amethyst> tiles should be installed when you build trunk 13:22:19 <|amethyst> I believe you have to cop part of templates/ though 13:25:37 <|amethyst> s/cop/copy/ 13:28:38 -!- CryptoCactus_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:29:33 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:30:10 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:31:09 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:53 -!- yalue has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:39 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:36:06 -!- CryptoCactus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:50 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:25 -!- Turgor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:39:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:40:51 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:23 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 13:48:10 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:50:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:52:43 03Grunt02 07[demonspawn-enemies] * 0.14-a0-2100-g704b422: Fix a typo in ENCH_AGILE expiry (ChrisOelmueller). 10(52 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=704b42257f8e 13:54:43 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:59:33 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:45 !seen dpeg 13:59:45 I last saw dpeg at Sun Jan 19 23:13:38 2014 UTC (2d 20h 46m 7s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: leaving'. 14:02:08 -!- xFleury has left ##crawl-dev 14:07:28 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:00 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:11:02 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:15:43 -!- badplayer5321 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:18:45 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:20:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:28 I wonder if I should just dump out my list of thoughts and edits instead of struggling to arrange things for me to start committing on demonspawn-enemies myself 14:37:45 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38:35 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:48:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:43 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:11:47 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:14:02 so are the demonspawn enemies part of some pan overhaul plan? 15:14:18 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:42 So, I was trying to fix this pathfinding bug, and it's um... well, I'm not sure the best way to go about it 15:15:57 It's player-centric in a somewhat unpleasant way that doesn't seem trivial to fix 15:16:22 And aside from screwing up arena combats, I managed to find a way to make it screw up actual gameplay, too 15:17:10 If a monster without a ranged attack is hit by something and it cannot reach the player, it will just try to run away. Even if it can hit the thing shooting at it and doesn't even know where the player IS. 15:17:42 Since the 'can I reach to retaliate?' check only looks at the player's position, regardless of what is actually shooting 15:17:52 all the fedhas abuse forever 15:18:30 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:50 But there's several things about the code that make it somewhat resistant to generalizing. At the very least, the routine used for this check is used in several other places, some of which DO care specifically about the player 15:18:58 And the results of it even affect what is considered safe to travel past 15:19:50 So simply changing what targets the function tries to pathfind towards seems liable to allow people to travel directly into things that will hit them 15:19:55 Under specific conditions 15:21:25 I'm not sure if there's a simpler way that I'm missing 15:21:34 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:23:51 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:23 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:30:14 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:22 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:34:28 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 15:35:28 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:39:30 Well, maybe I should put this aside for now if I want to make any progress on the various other things I am meaning to be doing 15:39:38 Any other devs want to take a crack at it? :P 15:41:19 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:41:30 -!- Basil is now known as Tarragon 15:41:43 -!- Tarragon is now known as Basil 15:48:48 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:49:57 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:21 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:52:29 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 15:53:06 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:54:35 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:57:07 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:58:33 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:59:11 Casting Orb of Destruction with a Dithmengos shadow has undesirable behavior by Jazzimus 16:07:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:57 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 16:09:17 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:09:48 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:31:19 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:20 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:49 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:45:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45:52 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:48:03 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 16:52:44 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 16:53:34 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 16:55:46 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 16:58:53 -!- Brokkr has quit [Client Quit] 17:00:14 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:00:23 -!- CeleryMa_ has quit [Client Quit] 17:03:47 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:07:02 -!- Taimou- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:09:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:18 -!- ystael has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:11:33 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 17:20:30 silly idea for Corrupt Body, implement rF--(-) and rC--(-) mutations to replace the -stat mutations 17:22:37 -!- Naphistim has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:22:45 rF--- 17:22:58 why not just say "okay, you're dead. see you." 17:23:31 -!- TheMattybee has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:23:47 that can be part of the mutation gain message :P 17:24:49 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 17:29:47 also, something about sensitive skin for an innate large -AC mutation instead of deformed relying on players using certain armours except the worse it'd effect the less noticeable it is anyway 17:31:39 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:34:13 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:36:52 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 17:38:50 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:59 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:42 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:22 Slime creatures split while sleeping by Whales 17:51:01 clearly a feature, not a bug 17:53:18 kinda makes sense 18:01:09 I wonder what a tile for "An avatar of battle and bloodshed, capable of mimicking sufficiently damaging melee attacks and conjurations from its creator and their allies." would even look like 18:01:57 A red ghoul 18:02:18 -!- Hailley has quit [Client Quit] 18:02:23 red ghoul represents conjurations? 18:02:45 Red and blue ghoul 18:03:43 clearly it's a ball of energy that randomly flickers images of the strongest melee and magic things 18:03:57 such as, ahem, ghouls 18:04:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:34 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:14:49 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:16:17 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:09 -!- sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:18:40 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:20:07 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:07 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 18:20:07 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:36 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:30 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:27:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:55 kilobyte: Did you think that giving asterion spectral weapon in place of greater servant is sufficiently interesting. I can tweak the spectral behaviour so it's not so avoidable by the player. 18:31:34 My thought would be to make it try to blink-closer if it was triggered to attack but was unable to do so. 18:32:50 I also gave him always a demon weapon (instead of always great mace) for a bit of makhleb/hell theme since he lost servant 18:32:50 major destruction and vampiric-spectral-weapon sounds like 'enough' for a unique, sure 18:33:43 tenofswords: It's not vampiric per-se, although it shares damage (as it should). 18:35:07 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:35:13 I had toyed with the idea of 'makhlebifying' his version so that damage done by the weapon restores asterions hp as a kind of reference to the restore hp on kill 18:35:25 oh 18:35:37 still sounds fine to me 18:36:56 tenofswords: Do you think trying blink closer for the monster spectre has merit? If asterion gets a trident it's no issue (or less of one), but for the other two the player can often just reposition away from the spectre 18:37:30 logical enough for the sake of making it mean a thing 18:37:43 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:51 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:59 You could just always give him a trident if it plays better 18:39:24 DracoOmega: heh, yeah that would be the simpler solution, wouldn't it? 18:40:08 Although if we gave the spell to other monsters, it would be helpful 18:40:18 Not sure if we want to give it to other monsters, of course 18:40:26 gammafunk: give him a great mace of reaching 18:40:40 minmay: haha, chance of reaching or orc slaying 18:40:41 -!- ground4 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:41:09 He comes with a band of Midges 18:41:24 gammafunk: 10% chance to be undeadhunter 18:41:50 20% chance of dark maul 18:43:36 Basil: did you even find out if monsters are affected for weapon delay? 18:43:42 no 18:43:43 I know their weapon damage is just additive 18:43:55 IIRC they are but in a really weird way 18:44:11 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 18:44:18 c.f. ogres 18:44:27 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 18:44:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:44:53 -!- Turgor_ is now known as Turgor 18:46:11 spectral weapon is clearly crucial for skald ghosts to actually be skalds 18:46:16 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:46:40 I don't think it works so long as ghosts don't have real weapons 18:46:45 tenofswords: it would be real cool if we could give ghosts actual (shadow) weapons so that would work 18:46:49 oh right 18:46:50 Yeah 18:46:51 welppppp 18:47:07 it would also make it a little more clear to the player how powerful a ghost might be 18:47:20 DracoOmega: Are there a lot of issues with doing shadow weapons for ghosts, to your knowledge? 18:47:34 I haven't looked, but I would be surprised if there were 18:47:40 gammafunk: found it 18:47:43 Since it clearly can already read properties off the original weapon 18:47:49 int delay = property(*weapon, PWPN_SPEED); 18:47:50 if (damage_brand == SPWPN_SPEED) 18:47:50 delay = (delay + 1) / 2; 18:47:50 return random ? div_rand_round(10 + delay, 2) : (10 + delay) / 2; 18:48:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:48:32 minmay: thanks, will need to see when random is set 18:48:38 is that melee_attack.cc 18:48:46 yes 18:48:57 random is set when it's not a real attack basically 18:49:00 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:49:38 So the attack is averaged towards 1 attack per 10 aut? 18:49:58 not sure what you mean by that 18:50:12 Fast weapons are slower, slow weapons are faster 18:50:14 I think he's saying most of the time random is false, so it's just (10 + delay) / 2 18:50:17 all div_rand_round does is e.g. randomly return 6 or 7 if you divide 13 by 2, instead of always returning 6 18:50:31 ah, that's what you mean 18:50:33 yes, basically 18:50:49 a monster qblade is 8.5 aut 18:51:00 a monster exec axe is 15 aut 18:51:14 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 18:51:17 (and 8.5 aut means randomly 8 or 9 aut of course) 18:51:47 So dark maul would be somewhat less effective than I'd hoped 18:52:07 dancing dark maul gets 1 attack every 66 aut 18:52:28 Right, elephant slug 18:52:30 or thereabouts 18:52:35 it's slower than an elephant slug 18:52:44 elephant slug is speed 4, dancing dark maul is speed 3 18:52:49 elephant slug zombie is speed 3 though! 18:53:05 and then it has an attack delay of 20 aut 18:53:11 so 20 * (10/3) 18:53:24 = really cruddy dancing weapon 18:54:36 -!- Tophwells has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:02:24 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: OUCH!!!] 19:09:45 -!- ground4 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:15:08 -!- ground4 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:19:00 hey, grunt, while I have unspeakable amounts of gratitude about the implementation of my stuff I also am building up a big bug list and wonder if I should give it to you 19:21:41 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:22:48 hey, is there a good reason i can't think of why i can't target an out of range square with a beam in order to get a good line of fire for the stuff that's in range? 19:23:33 i've just been apprised that that's possible with @, which is cool 19:23:40 Is the forest dispersal plan pretty much going to happen at this point? 19:23:58 -!- marbit_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:14 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:24:29 gammafunk: probably 19:24:58 tenofswords: In that case feel free to just cut gammafunk_forest_water_palace; that might make a nice shoals end if it were vastly reworked 19:25:07 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:25:50 I'd like to maybe find a home for gammafunk_forest_yreds_foothold (perhaps in crypt); that vault has never placed due to forest layout bugs, but it could work elsewhere with some changes 19:25:56 it's already a depths vault in a commit sitting around 19:26:02 and that's made into a crypt vault 19:26:43 I'm impressed by your efficiency, but I'm a-ok with cutting the palace; it's not a very interesting vault outside of the context of "we really need forest ends" 19:27:29 hrm, the sporulate vault could go fine elsewhere, not sure about enchanted lake though 19:27:56 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:57 said commit has _all_ the vaults moved around besides the spore vault 19:27:58 and the ancient bear cave seems dubious as well 19:28:00 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:28:12 that one was just given weaker bears and put in lair 19:28:46 I mean, you're a much better vault designer than I, so feel free to outright remove them. Personally only yred has much inspiration imo 19:28:46 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:07 there is no need to slash and burn vault designs just because they've lost their context 19:35:21 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:35:33 Ok, well if you think they're worth keeping. I suppose I can submit edits later on. 19:37:03 I wish I could have made the sporulate vault work better 19:42:34 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:43:28 -!- Hypereia has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:54:47 I'd say rip forest, but that would imply I liked it 19:54:47 -!- neuwiz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:55:59 I still don't think forest was all that bad, just needed a bit more work 19:56:27 I'm sad to see water nymphs go... 19:56:35 actually 19:56:51 no, I will let dracoomega's plans stay secret 19:56:51 I realize it was kind of an annoying mechanic, but it was unique, dangerous, and often interesting 19:56:59 DracoOmega: Talk! 19:57:18 let me just say that despite that long write-up there will be many things seperate from plans and implementation 19:57:49 Don't be afraid to commit unfinished things to a branch so gossip can be spread! 19:58:10 That actually sounds like a fairly good disincentive, frankly :P 19:58:46 I was about to joke that obviously crypt needs another branch full of undead or demons to replace forest 19:58:53 then remembered that it's crypt 19:58:55 welp 19:59:08 Haha 19:59:10 Well at least we won't have to see those extremely out of place tomb entrances in forest any more 20:00:01 It always felt like, in the middle of a pristine, enchanted forest, you find....egyptian mummies? 20:00:48 the thing was that forest was based around, to be blunt, fucking around with the player 20:01:20 Lightli: That's also the thing crawl's based around, though 20:01:39 knocking you asleep, teleporting you into water to be water-struck, getting stuck in briars while a hunter shot you, entangled with vines while trees attacked... 20:02:10 it felt like the branch was going "NO, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING" 20:02:33 I don't think that's inherently bad 20:02:37 a lot of stuff was just too powerful 20:02:53 and dryads were horrible when they could walk through trees 20:03:15 who wants to try and fit a torturous demonspawn having augmentation, powered by pain, and spines into 50 characters for their descriptions 20:03:25 (without just using those names) 20:03:49 tenofswords: I will pass it on to archaeo, let me see if he can do that 20:03:58 ha, ha 20:04:41 Actually are you asking for monster description text? 20:04:46 yes 20:04:49 -!- Chris_Oelmueller has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:00 part of the demonspawn-enemies branch 20:05:23 Ok, thought so. You'd just like a 50 char description for a demonspawn with those attribs? 20:05:30 well you see 20:05:44 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=678a640e4d1a09fe20801ab98f5db7a3e7226021 20:06:14 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:06:16 Behold my terrible lack of skill in writing temporary descriptions of things. 20:06:17 "A vaguely demonic humanoid, more beast now than whatever species it is descended from. It menances with an unholy aura." is the monstrous black sun description from those small bits 20:06:23 hehehe 20:06:35 hi grunt 20:06:59 (I want to come up with an excuse to make a sinister knockoff of the cherub description for some creature.) 20:07:37 " In one sense there was just clear air overhead. In another, stretching off to infinity, were the hosts of Heaven and Hell, wingtip to wingtip. If you looked really closely, and had been specially trained, you could tell the difference." 20:08:32 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:08:44