00:00:00 you could always get rid of anti-training! 00:00:13 for just that race? 00:00:19 i was thinking altogether 00:00:22 #repealantitraining 00:00:24 and also cross-training? 00:00:26 xD 00:00:40 we should have cross-usage, not cross-training 00:00:50 maces 10 skill -> can use axes at skill 5 00:00:52 well like, training both fire and earth or both air and ice or whatever is already pretty dumb on most characters 00:01:01 and then remove the elemental interactions 00:01:02 training both fire and ice is just plain stupid on every character 00:01:09 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:01:15 that seems undesirable 00:01:27 Then we could have conj/fire/ice spells 00:01:31 we already can 00:01:39 Well we could more reasonably have them 00:01:42 TARBALLPYTHON: well of course fire/ice is a silly combo, that's why you encourage it 00:01:58 slushstorm 00:01:59 ontoclasm: delayed fireball -> Frozen Flame 00:02:08 yes 00:02:18 i mean, weapon skills have crosstraining specifically because having several at once isn't particularly useful; the same applies to elemental schools, except they have antitraining instead??? 00:02:31 rain of fire 00:03:01 just make skills train independently ok i fixed it for you bye 00:03:48 -!- TARBALLPYTHON has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:03:50 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05:07 ice+fire = water magic???? 00:06:24 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2034-gd6cb3fa (34) 00:06:38 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2034-gd6cb3fa (34) 00:06:39 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:07:14 ontoclasm: not a stretch, since we have "lava magic", even if it's only one spell 00:07:28 earth + fire, which is a more natural combo I guess 00:09:44 -!- daagar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:11:24 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 00:13:06 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 00:16:29 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2034-gd6cb3fa (34) 00:18:41 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2034-gd6cb3fa (34) 00:19:39 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:22:39 -!- Hailley has quit [Client Quit] 00:26:30 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:53 Labyrinth loot not appearing by MorganLeah 00:47:00 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2034-gd6cb3fa 00:49:57 -!- tilkau has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:54:47 -!- bschlief has quit [] 00:56:16 -!- Chris_Oelmueller is now known as ChrisOelmueller 01:03:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:05:28 -!- axle has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:15:43 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:17:09 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:19:34 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:22:59 -!- ussdefiant has left ##crawl-dev 01:24:32 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:27:15 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:37 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34:52 |amethyst: mantis and wiki done. 01:41:58 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:47:32 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 01:47:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:48:50 -!- Notid has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:49:02 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:52:02 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2034-gd6cb3fa (34) 01:54:23 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:56:17 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 01:59:40 Pitch (L27 MiFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. 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Use !messages to read them. 05:29:39 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2040-g6fb625b: Drop some pointless costly conversions. 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 14+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6fb625bbddc7 05:29:39 03pubby02 {kilobyte} 07* 0.14-a0-2041-g2817c6a: Fo abilities aren't zot-def abilities. 10(19 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2817c6a9db09 05:29:39 03pubby02 {kilobyte} 07* 0.14-a0-2042-g84aeff3: Don't place arrival monsters behind clear rock. 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 26+ 26-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=84aeff39740f 05:32:01 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 05:33:58 kilobyte: thanks :) 05:34:46 * kilobyte likes patches that don't need any extra massaging. Unlike those from most other people. 05:34:56 usually including mine :/ 05:37:34 kilobyte: say, did you get that other patch I sent via !message? 05:38:10 no, lemme take a look 05:38:26 doing too many things at once, sorry if I'm distracted 05:41:05 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2043-ge4ac22e: Fix build. 10(50 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4ac22e01a67 05:41:05 03pubby02 {kilobyte} 07* 0.14-a0-2044-ga5f20ec: Buff Formicids. 10(16 hours ago, 4 files, 5+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a5f20ec47410 05:45:06 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 06:06:20 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:09:52 -!- djanatyn has quit [Excess Flood] 06:19:08 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19:49 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:19:55 -!- SkaryMonk2 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:27:05 Weird looking tile with shallow water, invisible monster, thin mist and umbra. by Medar 06:28:09 -!- robbje has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:28:43 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:33:30 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:17 -!- Whistling_Bread has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:52:04 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:53:19 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:00:25 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:06:03 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:35:20 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:39 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:41:56 -!- Raycaster has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:42:30 -!- Vizer__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43:36 -!- dwadsadsdwads has quit [Client Quit] 07:49:51 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:50:28 -!- wadwadsadwad has quit [Client Quit] 07:53:51 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:59:31 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:43 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:03:59 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:05:21 -!- Celsitudo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:07:13 Shadowmage952 (L27 MfSk) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 08:07:31 Shadowmage952 (L27 MfSk) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 08:08:02 Shadowmage952 (L27 MfSk) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 08:09:02 <|amethyst> !lm Shadowmage952 crash -log 08:09:02 4. Shadowmage952, XL27 MfSk, T:154118 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Shadowmage952/crash-Shadowmage952-20140120-140800.txt 08:09:06 <|amethyst> !lm Shadowmage952 crash -log -2 08:09:07 3. Shadowmage952, XL27 MfSk, T:154112 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Shadowmage952/crash-Shadowmage952-20140120-140729.txt 08:15:33 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:17:07 -!- ackack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:20:04 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:21:37 -!- SkaryMonk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:24:11 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:30:32 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:05 Shadowmage952 (L27 MfSk) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 08:39:04 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 08:39:23 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:52:00 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:25 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06:14 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:08:21 -!- mamga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:08:39 -!- daagar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:12:01 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:57 opoek (L27 GrFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 09:15:19 opoek (L27 GrFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 09:15:51 opoek (L27 GrFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. 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(Pan) 09:23:06 <|amethyst> !lm opoek crash -log 09:23:06 15. opoek, XL27 GrFi, T:116104 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/opoek/crash-opoek-20140120-151930.txt 09:23:11 <|amethyst> !lm opoek crash -log -2 09:23:12 14. opoek, XL27 GrFi, T:115397 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/opoek/crash-opoek-20140120-151549.txt 09:23:12 <|amethyst> !lm opoek crash -log -3 09:23:13 13. opoek, XL27 GrFi, T:115333 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/opoek/crash-opoek-20140120-151517.txt 09:25:50 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:27:35 -!- keszocze has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:29:39 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:33:33 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:10 mopl (L27 OpEn) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 09:34:59 mopl (L27 OpEn) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 09:35:16 mopl (L27 OpEn) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 09:35:32 mopl (L27 OpEn) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 09:39:56 -!- tkappleton has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:46:29 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:49:57 BeardTony (L27 DEWz) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 09:51:24 BeardTony (L27 DEWz) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 09:53:52 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 09:54:07 BeardTony (L27 DEWz) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 10:00:21 -!- SkaryMonk1 has left ##crawl-dev 10:03:06 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:47 -!- dwadwdwa has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:06:49 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:09:14 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:10:08 Fairly sure the Pan issue is due to 10:10:09 %git 0004888 10:10:09 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-2022-g0004888: Don't special-case Lab exits, place them normally (as {). 10(29 hours ago, 2 files, 12+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0004888ada36 10:10:20 Feirund (L27 HOBe) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 10:10:33 I'll look into it after breakfast... 10:12:41 Feirund (L27 HOBe) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 10:13:28 _at_top_of_branch now returns true for pan levels, that could cause problems indeed 10:14:51 but the logic of things that check it is murky to my eyes 10:19:23 sayami (L15 VpEn) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 3288: Invalid item: crossbow (Orc:1) 10:19:41 sayami (L15 VpEn) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 3288: Invalid item: crossbow (Orc:1) 10:19:41 <|amethyst> !lm sayami crash -log 10:19:41 1. sayami, XL14 VpEn, T:28212 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/sayami/crash-sayami-20140118-075640.txt 10:19:55 <|amethyst> !lm sayami crash -log 10:19:55 3. sayami, XL15 VpEn, T:41350 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/sayami/crash-sayami-20140120-161939.txt 10:19:59 sayami (L15 VpEn) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 3288: Invalid item: crossbow (Orc:3) 10:20:38 BeardTony (L27 DEWz) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit transit_pandemonium[59] didn't get generated. (Pan) 10:21:35 -!- Mateji has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:21:53 <|amethyst> That crossbow is invalid because it is black 10:22:25 learn add racism 10:22:59 (there had been reports of darkgrey manuals recently btw) 10:23:36 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:25:28 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:31:43 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:09 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:35:14 -!- slitherrr has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:28 Monster showing up far too early by Fishchip 10:35:47 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:20 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:40:01 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:35 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2045-ga711b3e: Set shadow clone weapon colour. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a711b3e17df7 10:40:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 10:42:14 <|amethyst> Grunt: aha 10:42:45 I noticed another bug looking through those crash logs, but first the pan fix, and even before that I still haven't had breakfast yet >_> 10:43:13 <|amethyst> Sounds like you need a frying pan fix first 10:53:20 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:54:09 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:20 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:59:20 does that thing still happen where the shadow-player temporarily winds up in the monster list, sometimes long enough to see? 10:59:33 it does 10:59:50 also 10:59:50 Monster showing up far too early by Fishchip 10:59:54 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:57 this is closed, but it seems like a bad vault that should not show up there 11:00:03 agate snail (09j) | Spd: 4 | HD: 14 | HP: 76-104 | AC/EV: 7/2 | Dam: 18 | amphibious | Res: 06magic(56), 12drown | Chunks: 09poison | XP: 83 | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 11:00:03 %??agate snail 11:00:07 ogre (07O) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 16-38 | AC/EV: 1/6 | Dam: 17 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 119 | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 11:00:07 %??ogre 11:00:09 oh, never mind 11:00:13 I thought they were worth more XP than that 11:00:20 <|amethyst> kilobyte: a0eb6aff (lab loot fix) added a check for stone stairs, but #8012 has an escape hatch 11:00:27 it is a bad vault nonetheless 11:01:12 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:01 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2045-ga711b3e (34) 11:08:31 I find it pretty funny. 11:09:35 that only adds to the point if anything 11:09:50 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:10:10 <|amethyst> So for showing berserkitis in the % screen (in place of clarity), would it be better to say "*Rage", "Rage", or "Berserk" ? 11:10:31 So my opinion is obviously automatically the polar opposite of good. 11:10:41 *rage i guess 11:10:56 <|amethyst> Bodrick used "Angry" in #8006 but we don't say that to players elsewhere 11:11:05 even if it will look awful, RndRage or whatever isn't gonna cut it 11:11:38 i think it is used on A screen of berserk mutation? 11:11:45 or the message when gaining it 11:11:57 <|amethyst> hm 11:12:00 <|amethyst> actually 11:12:07 ah yeah the messages 11:12:15 <|amethyst> we do use RndTele, so I guess RndRage isn't horrible 11:12:22 <|amethyst> or at least not inconsistently so 11:12:34 well i used RndTele precisely to avoid starting the line with a * 11:13:02 since the columns have been padded out more since, i guess that's no longer the huge problem it once was 11:13:16 so maybe *Tele and *Rage are best 11:13:27 i used Angry there as that was the property name, i had it as Rage initially 11:13:39 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: what about "NoTele" then? 11:13:50 <|amethyst> (and "NoCast") 11:13:54 minuses may or may not still look awful yeah 11:13:57 not sure! :) 11:14:05 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:49 -!- morik has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:14:52 -!- morik_ is now known as morik 11:14:55 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:15:16 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: otoh, seeing "*Rage" on the item and RndRage here could help teach players what * means in inscriptions 11:15:42 but dpeg keeps going on about how the % screen is meant to be hidden from players 11:16:09 (kinda sorta agree but i'd prefer consistency with item inscriptions) 11:16:57 for that to happen i don't think *rage is prominent enough in-game anyways 11:17:08 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: nothing else there is consistent though 11:17:21 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: rPois vs rP, SeeInvis vs SInv, etc 11:17:25 i was wondering why MR is MR not rMag or similar 11:17:28 <|amethyst> But I do see your point 11:18:06 <|amethyst> Bodrick: rHstEnch 11:18:19 note how that was "Res.Fire" before and i changed the name exactly because of the teaching aspect 11:18:26 but only to the degree of mostly matching inscriptions still 11:18:41 <|amethyst> How about "Rnd*Tele" ? 11:18:45 <|amethyst> there's room for one more char 11:18:57 hmm, amusing summoning spells 11:19:03 heh that sounds interesting 11:19:08 would SUmmon Petrified Rodent be too strong? 11:19:36 <|amethyst> is this the earth equivalent of Conjure Flame? 11:20:03 One that doesn't kill dudes and that they're more likely to fight through, for what it's worth 11:20:09 still might be too much overlap, yes 11:20:32 <|amethyst> not complaining, just wanted to make sure I had the idea right 11:20:37 not like there absolutely mustn't be two similar spells in crawl 11:20:50 <|amethyst> honestly, might be better to make a specific statue-like creature for this 11:21:03 <|amethyst> rather than a petrified normal creature 11:21:58 Mostly I'm mulling over Summ ideas that make me smile 11:22:23 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:22:42 <|amethyst> How about a scarecrow that monsters (failing an int check) prefer to attack over you 11:22:52 That's an idea 11:23:03 mm, I wonder how good mutagenic gas on command would be 11:23:10 <|amethyst> way too good 11:23:14 Nah, that encourages too much flighty stuff 11:23:25 <|amethyst> mutagenic gas doesn't check MR or anything like that 11:23:49 hmm 11:23:57 Summon Iskenless Wretched Star 11:24:03 doesn't it not polymorph anymore though 11:24:05 <|amethyst> (when evap was in it was one of the more reliable ways to polymorph TRJ) 11:24:16 -!- nixor1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:18 when evap was in TRJ also couldn't heal :P 11:24:33 rip the good old days 11:24:43 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:25:03 -!- slitherrr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:25:37 Summon Rat with Firestorm 11:25:42 Perhaps that's a little over the top 11:26:17 -!- sanka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:26:22 mm, but something with considerable chance of backfiring might be worth looking into 11:27:07 Summon Polymoth 11:27:27 Summon Moth of Wrath 11:27:31 to goad on your other summons 11:27:46 no, then you'd want to kill it before engaging something 11:28:22 ghost moth (06y) | Spd: 12 | HD: 13 | HP: 52-90 | AC/EV: 8/10 | Dam: 1805(drain dexterity), 1805(drain dexterity), 1208(nasty poison) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(104), 02cold, 03poison | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1695 | Sp: mp drain gaze | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 11:28:22 %??ghost moth 11:28:35 Say, do those keep gazing at you while friendly? 11:29:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:29:29 because an invisible summon that fucks up your mana sounds sort of interesting 11:31:57 It sounds sort of interesting until you find out that being locked to 0 mp for a long time on a caster is not so interesting. 11:32:02 <|amethyst> Bodrick: btw, for your commit messages, put the first sentence (less than ~70 characters, and less than ~54 is even better) on its own line, then a blank 11:32:36 <|amethyst> Bodrick: The empty line separates the "subject" (summary) from the rest of the message 11:33:15 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2046-g7cb5c5c: Fix Pan stair logic broken by 0004888. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 10+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7cb5c5c1de96 11:33:17 |amethyst: Will do, sorry 11:33:40 <|amethyst> Bodrick: don't need to fix this one, that's just for future reference 11:34:13 -!- Datul_ is now known as Datul 11:34:29 |amethyst: I was going to modify it slightly this evening to cache the result of you.clarity() etc, i'll change the message in that patch 11:34:39 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2046-g7cb5c5c (34) 11:35:00 <|amethyst> Bodrick: I've already done that 11:35:04 <|amethyst> Bodrick: I'm about to push :) 11:35:08 Piginabag (L25 OpTm) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 604: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster_type 1000 (1000) (Zot:3) 11:35:18 !lm Piginabag crash -log 11:35:19 2. Piginabag, XL17 DsMo, T:50871 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Piginabag/crash-Piginabag-20131230-171743.txt 11:35:19 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2046-g7cb5c5c (34) 11:35:26 * Grunt thumbtwiddles. 11:36:16 !lm Piginabag crash -log 11:36:17 3. Piginabag, XL25 OpTm, T:77393 (milestone): http://crawl.lantea.net/crawl/morgue/Piginabag/crash-Piginabag-20140120-173506.txt 11:36:44 The jelly splits in two! 11:37:19 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:38:51 -!- djanatyn has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 11:39:10 <|amethyst> Grunt: I don't think that's it, if you look at the backtrace 11:39:24 <|amethyst> Grunt: it's checking something's rAcid because of passive damage 11:39:39 <|amethyst> Grunt: which makes it sound more like something nonexistant is attacking the jelly 11:39:57 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2046-g7cb5c5c (34) 11:40:37 <|amethyst> Grunt: though I guess it could be a buggy split jelly fighting with its correctly-functioning brethren 11:41:08 That's what I'm wondering. 11:41:09 <|amethyst> They wouldn't let poor Schlorpthrox join in any Slime Pit games 11:41:26 Then one foggy Slime-day evening, TRJ came to say... 11:41:34 * Grunt flees in terror. 11:41:53 testing the rebuild page |amethyst or Grunt ? 11:42:09 johnstein: I'm not *testing* it; I'm rolling out a rather important fix preventing Pan from working properly :b 11:42:18 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2047-g6e57303: Ignore javascript contribs in checkwhite. 10(35 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e5730344cad 11:42:18 03Bodrick02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-2048-g1234845: Added Angry indicator to the % screen. 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=12348454a025 11:42:18 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2049-g9372f5e: Simplify and improve formatting. 10(41 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9372f5ec3b49 11:42:18 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2050-g899f469: Change a few % screen labels. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=899f469b23f1 11:42:21 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:42:24 :D 11:42:30 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 11:42:30 Anyway, it is working now! 11:42:32 glad it worked 11:42:38 hm why do the elemental evokers in action counts show up not-capitalized it's kinda inconsistent with all the other lines 11:42:59 oh box of beasts also doesn't capitalize 11:43:03 probably more! 11:43:09 mm 11:43:18 Any chance you can provide an example line? 11:43:44 !log chris 11:43:44 26. chris, XL27 HaAE, T:78783: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/chris/morgue-chris-20140120-152346.txt 11:43:56 search for 'evoke:' 11:44:28 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2046-g7cb5c5c (34) 11:46:07 Not capitalized in misc_type_name 11:46:33 <|amethyst> fixing 11:46:35 And that's the only place I found "box of beasts" in not-a-comment 11:46:59 <|amethyst> not changing the item type names, just the action count table 11:47:20 To make them capitalized there? 11:48:01 <|amethyst> yes (just the first letter, not each word) 11:50:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:24 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2051-g57445f6: Capitalise evoker names in action count dump (ChrisOelmueller) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=57445f6d1e0c 11:50:46 thanks! 11:56:43 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:26 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 26.0/20131215102647]] 12:01:43 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:49 Phoniks (L10 GrBe) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 12:05:56 -!- imantor has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:06:07 <|amethyst> !lm phoniks crash -log 12:06:08 1. Phoniks, XL17 DrEE, T:45262 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.10/Phoniks/crash-Phoniks-20120407-113510.txt 12:06:11 <|amethyst> I hope that's an old version 12:06:18 <|amethyst> err 12:06:22 <|amethyst> that one's really old :) 12:06:25 <|amethyst> !lm phoniks crash -log 12:06:25 2. Phoniks, XL10 GrBe, T:7808 (milestone): http://rl.heh.fi/morgue/Phoniks/crash-Phoniks-20140120-180548.txt 12:06:44 <|amethyst> no it's not 12:06:52 <|amethyst> there's a < but I bet it's an escape hatch 12:07:05 -!- Kenran has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:09:31 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:31 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 12:09:31 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:42 <|amethyst> !lm MorganLean br.enter=lab 12:09:42 No milestones for MorganLean (br.enter=lab). 12:09:47 <|amethyst> !lm MorganLeah br.enter=lab 12:09:48 118. [2014-01-20 06:17:33] MorganLeah the Basher (L11 KoAE) entered a Labyrinth on turn 13344. (Lair:1) 12:09:50 <|amethyst> !lm MorganLeah br.enter=lab -log 12:09:51 MorganLeah, XL11 KoAE, T:13344 (milestone) has no matching game. 12:10:05 <|amethyst> &whereis morganleah 12:10:06 !whereis MorganLeah 12:10:06 MorganLeah the Basher (L13 KoAE), a worshipper of Okawaru, saved on Lair:6 on 2014-01-20 after 22810 turns. 12:11:52 doh 12:12:33 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:14:36 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2052-gb76ddfe: Re-fix labs. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b76ddfeb133c 12:15:13 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2052-gb76ddfe (34) 12:16:07 <|amethyst> kilobyte: never mind, I forgot that escape_hatch_up and exit_labyrinth have the same name 12:16:20 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2052-gb76ddfe (34) 12:19:11 -!- asdflkjh has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:20:38 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2052-gb76ddfe (34) 12:20:58 Waterpls (L12 MfIE) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 12:21:01 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:21:32 <|amethyst> (old save) 12:22:30 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:24:52 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:12 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2052-gb76ddfe (34) 12:27:08 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2053-gb6dcf77: Guarantee a pan lord vault on a pan level. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b6dcf777f95b 12:27:08 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2054-g5511118: Place Pan transit gates in minor panlord vaults. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 119+ 56-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5511118d0984 12:27:08 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-2055-g7ca72ca: Guarantee a demonic rune or Pan exit in evilmike_holy_pan. 10(43 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ca72ca5ae04 12:27:39 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 12:33:17 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:03 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:38:23 -!- konstantin___ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:38:24 -!- konstantin____ is now known as konstantin___ 12:38:29 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:41:08 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2052-gb76ddfe (34) 12:41:11 -!- jacobian has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:42:39 -!- cr0ne has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46:10 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 12:47:04 -!- huhh has quit [Client Quit] 12:48:10 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:58 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:53:11 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:54:58 Grunt: Are you cleaning up all of Pan?! 12:55:38 sometimes wishing for people to not be as awkward 12:55:58 aren't pan level portals already common enough that you'd usually never have to fight a pan lord to find one 12:58:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 13:02:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:10 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: BRB] 13:03:55 -!- asdflkjh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:05:22 -!- LogicNinja has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:06:43 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:54 does anybody on the servers use a nondefault drop_mode setting? 13:08:29 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:08:32 support for that strikes me as something that shouldn't be a thing personally, and unlike with pickup i'd go as far as remove that code 13:09:39 (that'd also affect the @ key in-game) 13:11:02 ChrisOelmueller: I've never tried single mode, does it exit the interface and process the drop right on the keystroke? 13:11:23 you can test what it does by pressing @ in the default drop 13:11:38 so yeah it only takes the first key and drops that item stack without confirmation 13:11:56 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 13:12:03 and no i'm pretty sure nobody knows this toggle exists 13:12:29 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:13:57 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:13 <|amethyst> ChrisOelmueller: on CSZO, JesusFuckingChrist and rw use drop_mode = single, and elynae toggles it on for bot mode 13:14:28 oh okay bots exist damn 13:14:30 haha, if it's good enough for Jesus... 13:15:00 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 13:16:57 Does anyone feel that TSO should only allow the weapon to be blessed so long as you don't leave him for another god? 13:17:10 It just feels that the TSO scumming just to get the brand is not very good 13:17:40 oh maybe i should also lobby for a higher default on dump_message_count 13:17:42 makes sense to me (but it should also apply to kiku) 13:17:45 There are complications as to what you do to the blessed weapon 13:17:52 deaths usually take more than two or three lines 13:18:03 geekosaur: they could just make the weapon go away, I guess 13:18:03 (and lugonu but I think that one solves itself...) 13:18:27 "You are no longer worthy of this sacred weapon, Mortal!" 13:18:30 god "scumming" is inherent to crawl's god system 13:18:40 and lucy in fact is the only god with a protection built in against it 13:19:38 -!- scrubnubs has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:20:23 Yes, but the blessed/pain weapon thing is reasonably easy to fix. I suppose it's just more weird special casing, however... 13:20:45 well i'd also ask how that is different from regular god gifts 13:21:19 Fair point, I guess the difference is that the branding is a highest-tier ability and much more powerful and controllable (in theory) than random gifts 13:21:54 so kiku would also revoke books? only necronomicon? 13:22:03 maybe just apply the lugonu solution? pain weapons pain you if you have kiku penance, holy weapons refuse to be wielded / cost you HP if you have good god penance 13:22:05 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:22:30 oftentimes getting distortion isn't worth it either both on finding altar and using it as brand (not even with the new unwield) 13:22:36 books (or veh spells) are still an issue, and yes inherently scummable 13:22:39 so yeah it'd be pretty special cased 13:22:45 geekosaur: yeah, and that wouldn't stop the "good god scumming" behaviour I'm mostly thinking about 13:22:51 what about blessing a weapon and then going for zin or ely 13:22:55 I've done that 13:23:00 Play as zin, switch to TSO in hell to get holy wrath by scumming hell, switch back 13:23:05 right 13:23:11 also it's pretty common to go oka so you can get a bunch of gifts and then abandon him for someone else and keep the gifts 13:23:20 gammafunk: or the opposite of that 13:23:22 mm, point, would have to be active penance not just penance 13:23:26 go TSO, switch to zin to cure mutations, switch back 13:23:57 I guess the good gods were intentionally designed this way 13:23:57 it would be kind of unfair for TSO not to let you keep a blessed weapon when switching to another good god, since ostensibly the good gods support that behavior 13:24:12 it'd also be just the thing tso'd do, in all fairness :P 13:24:15 The zin cure mutation thing is another nail in the coffin of this idea 13:24:43 clearly zin should give you a shitload of bad mutations if you abandon him :P 13:24:59 angry zin >> jiyva 13:25:22 just spawn eight angry silver stars 13:25:46 assuming those still exist and do things and aren't bugged and 13:26:40 btw i've had the zin_angel zap /poly at me a bit ago, that was weird 13:27:58 Mino Lair generated with single scroll for loot by araganzar 13:28:00 oh there are several of those by now, i'm referring to the one in evilmike_silver_temple 13:31:10 <|amethyst> hm, would there be any disadvantages to using god_hates_item there? 13:31:33 <|amethyst> in place of all the stuff you get when you search monster.cc for "worshippers of" 13:32:19 <|amethyst> oh, hm 13:32:43 <|amethyst> god_hates_item would need a flag to pretend the item is identified 13:32:52 |amethyst: You mean marking the blessed weapon as hated by TSO if you ditch him? 13:33:06 or I guess hated in general 13:33:21 <|amethyst> gammafunk: no, I'm referring to ChrisOelmueller's "btw i've had the zin_angel zap /poly at me a bit ago" 13:33:27 oh, sorry, I see 13:34:19 <|amethyst> actually, god_hates_item_handling() checks item_type_known for everything except Trog + spellbooks 13:34:28 <|amethyst> I guess it would also need a parameter for the god too 13:34:49 hmm 13:35:01 Summon Exploding Kobold is proving a little harder to balance than I expected 13:35:05 -!- slitherrr has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:15 <|amethyst> Basil: inner flame isn't very tunable 13:35:45 <|amethyst> can't make less power explosions than you get from a kobold 13:35:50 Butterfly 13:35:50 what if your new god hated items given by previous god 13:35:52 s* 13:36:04 Some other tiny thing 13:36:25 that said, I was thinking of making it a familiar that inner flamed subsequent summons 13:36:43 but that seems like it would encourage play similar to oldsummons, which might not be desireable 13:36:46 <|amethyst> oh, that's right 13:36:54 <|amethyst> it does have a separate category for tiny 13:37:10 <|amethyst> but still, that's 3d15 instead of 3d20 13:37:14 -!- slitherrr has quit [Client Quit] 13:37:40 Basil: Isn't fulminant prism a more focused version of the banzai spell? 13:37:47 -!- morik has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:37:48 -!- morik_ is now known as morik 13:37:55 Somewhat 13:38:01 mm, perhaps it would be better as a fixedart 13:38:16 fr summon giant eyeball 13:38:18 Immunity to fire clouds, whenever you hit something it gets inner flamed 13:38:26 When you die you explode 13:38:35 Haha, sounds amusing 13:38:43 needs to be useable by felids 13:38:49 for tactical dying 13:39:03 reminds me of lobbying for felid level drain being removed 13:39:23 like it could maybe replaced by skill drain if anybody feels outright cutting it would be too powerful (if so, why?) 13:39:45 Have buppy code since it's clearly a pubby unrand. 13:39:52 *code it 13:39:56 a situation where on xl17 you died probably means that it won't be more fun to try again at xl16 13:40:05 amulet of the Goddess of Explosions 13:40:16 You wield the +7, +7 great sword "Firestarter". 13:40:16 as a bonus would get rid of some unintuitive extra life handling 13:40:20 You are filled with an inner flame. 13:41:02 ChrisOelmueller: isn't that like 13:41:07 Surely it's some kind of mace or flail... 13:41:08 the last way to level down 13:41:10 The hill giant hits you! You die... You explode! The hill giant dies! 13:41:13 the change is a trivial one line patch but i don't feel like defending it myself as i don't play felids 13:41:21 ontoclasm: zotdef! 13:41:33 (if only that'd be removed) 13:41:54 !hs * FeCK 13:41:55 1812. Yermak the Intangible (L27 FeCK), worshipper of Xom, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-01-13 01:21:14, with 12581813 points after 126166 turns and 19:31:21. 13:41:56 Fedhas is close enough right 13:42:04 I lost the FeCK score so I can't defend it either 13:42:15 -!- nixor1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:42:25 -!- hayuto is now known as studentinf 13:42:49 -!- studentinf is now known as hayuto 13:43:33 !lg * min=ac x=ac 13:43:35 2852761. [ac=-5] gammafunk the Scratcher (L3 FeCK), worshipper of Xom, quit the game on D:3 on 2013-05-26 21:09:12, with 212 points after 2584 turns and 0:13:23. 13:43:44 Phew, at least one of my Fe records stands 13:43:58 mm 13:44:17 good record 13:44:53 -!- araganzar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:46:20 ??fixedart 13:46:20 fixedart[1/2]: A fixedart is an {artefact} that has special, unique effects defined in the code. Compare {unrandart}, which is just an predefined, regular artefact. 13:46:22 ??fixedart[2 13:46:22 fixedart[2/2]: &| 13:53:33 what is that second entry supposed to be 13:53:45 Would it be bad to make Finisher create spectrals and/or gib the creatures it kills 13:54:05 gibbing creatures sounds possibly detrimental 13:54:18 the wizmode command to generate all of them 13:54:18 you can't sacrifice corpses or raise undead 13:54:30 ChrisOelmueller: well it could, you know, say that 13:54:40 you must be new to learndb indeed 13:55:00 -!- master_j has quit [Client Quit] 13:55:04 !learn edit fixedart[2] s/.*/Wizmode command to generate all fixedarts is &| 13:55:04 fixedart[2/2]: Wizmode command to generate all fixedarts is &| 13:55:05 there 13:55:15 also does that generate just fixedarts or unrandarts as well (going by that entry's definitions) 13:55:24 basically the entry must only help you if you already know what it means 13:55:56 it's easy to complain about things you have the ability to easily fix but don't 13:56:34 G-Flex: It generates all fixedarts and unrands 13:56:49 okay 13:56:50 thanks 13:56:52 that definition in and of itself is pretty wacky 13:57:03 !learn edit fixedart[2] s/fixedarts/fixedarts and unrandarts 13:57:04 fixedart[2/2]: Wizmode command to generate all fixedarts and unrandarts is &| 13:57:40 -!- master_j has quit [Client Quit] 13:57:40 Yes, I thought those two terms were equivalent, myself 13:57:52 <|amethyst> fixedarts don't exist anymore 13:58:10 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:58:14 Basil: bit of reaping's domain there? dchan weapon could be nice though 13:58:58 |amethyst: in what sense 13:59:02 I was thinking that it is sort of not-flashy and fun 13:59:10 But knocking the soul out of something sounds neat 13:59:32 Basil: Turns a monster into a lost soul upon death... 13:59:43 and it doesn't seem too hard to go from Finisher to that effect 13:59:54 (flavorwise, rather) 13:59:55 -!- master_j has quit [Client Quit] 13:59:59 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:00:02 hmm 14:00:06 That's an interesting idea 14:00:22 that would result in way too many lost souls 14:00:24 but that would only benefit Yredites and haunters, no? 14:00:30 <|amethyst> G-Flex: they're just unrands (that have code). art-data.txt says "what used to be fixedarts" 14:00:37 or dchan users I guess 14:00:42 |amethyst: but what actually changed aside from nomenclature? 14:00:57 ??fixedart 14:00:57 fixedart[1/2]: A fixedart is an {artefact} that has special, unique effects defined in the code. Compare {unrandart}, which is just an predefined, regular artefact. 14:01:10 ??unrandart 14:01:11 unrandart[1/2]: An artefact of fixed appearance and properties - sometimes unique ones that are unavailable anywhere else. Spoiler at: http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl/blobs/master/crawl-ref/source/art-data.txt 14:01:22 the second part of the first sentence there confuses me 14:01:28 oh, unique properties 14:01:39 looks like {fixedart} can be deleted then 14:01:42 ??unrandart[2] 14:01:43 unrandart[2/2]: Unrandart list: https://gist.github.com/4057966 (updated 12 Nov 2012) 14:01:48 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:01:53 maybe modify fixedart to just mention "Used to exist, see {unrandart}" 14:01:53 hmm 14:01:56 !learn move fixedart[2] unrandart[3] 14:01:56 fixedart[2] -> unrandart[3/3]: Wizmode command to generate all fixedarts and unrandarts is &| 14:02:05 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:06 great mace or great sword for innerflaming weapon? 14:02:10 !learn edit fixedart s/.*/see {unrandart} 14:02:11 fixedart[1/1]: see {unrandart} 14:02:30 an inner-flame-producing melee weapon sounds like a really bad idea 14:02:49 It will provide rFireClounds 14:02:55 s/oun/ou 14:03:02 fire clowns 14:03:12 inner flame also produces explosions, not just clouds 14:03:14 and rExplosions maybe 14:03:22 !learn edit unrandart[3] s/fixedarts and // 14:03:22 unrandart[3/3]: Wizmode command to generate all unrandarts is &| 14:03:34 thanks 14:03:36 could just make it like shatterer 14:03:38 <|amethyst> G-Flex: Apparently the whole thing, not just the special effects, used to be hard-coded 14:03:44 and have the explosions not hit the user 14:03:47 okay 14:03:47 Well, I could probably get away with no rExplode if it has scrollcons 14:03:50 might be harder with inner flame though 14:05:11 Is there a central way to grant fixedarts their special effects 14:05:15 or is it just special cases all over 14:05:17 <|amethyst> %git 2fad05374f70f21d4af3d147325581bf1047b5be 14:05:19 07Matthew_Cline02 * 0.6.0-a0-103-g2fad053: First part of the merger of fixed artefacts into unrandom artefacts (further changes will be much smaller). Breaks savefile compatibility, and bumps the major savefile version up to 6. 10(4 years, 7 months ago, 71 files, 5717+ 4466-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2fad05374f70 14:05:30 <|amethyst> Basil: most of it is done with hooks in art-func.h 14:05:40 Very good 14:05:46 Basil: Some items (e.g. devastator) can't avoid having special cases because of how they work 14:05:48 <|amethyst> some of it is scattered in the code 14:06:12 I suspect the self-explode would have to be in ouch.cc 14:06:18 Both elec brand and devastator are special-cased in e.g. melee_attack 14:07:00 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:39 That could probably be generalized to just 1) look if the weapon has a unique (additional) targeter and 2) call it 14:07:56 But I think there are other kinds of instances all over the place 14:10:22 -!- djanatyn has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:12:36 <|amethyst> BTW, should we consider moving monster entries, spells, mutations, etc to a similar build-time system to what unrands currently use? 14:14:59 <|amethyst> though the handling for marshalled enums would have to be improved 14:15:55 -!- gemiio has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:18:33 Dithmengos' Shadow Step overrides angelic halo by Sandman25 14:19:17 -!- Blazinghand|Work has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:20:09 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:20:10 -!- tsohg__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:01 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:23:19 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 14:24:26 -!- Gobbo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:24:36 wow, the savefile version must have been bumped WAAAY more often in those days 14:25:35 yep 14:25:52 |amethyst: what would you be expecting to be generated by the script? 14:26:37 <|amethyst> SamB: something similar to mon-data.h, mutation-data.h, etc 14:27:56