00:00:35 <|amethyst> johnstein: hm, the ttyrec thing is still not quite right 00:00:47 <|amethyst> johnstein: it ends up adding the .bz2 then redirecting :( 00:01:05 <|amethyst> johnstein: ohh 00:01:21 <|amethyst> johnstein: change that /ttyrec/$1/$2.bz2 to /crawl/ttyrec/$1/$2.bz2 00:01:29 yea, just caught taht 00:01:31 should be good 00:01:43 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2019-gd9bc7f0 (34) 00:01:58 TARBALLPYTHON: they always have, no? 00:02:03 !lg * bazaar 1 00:02:04 1/18. LexAckson the Hacker (L14 MDBe), worshipper of Trog, took a swim in molten lava in Bazaar on 2009-06-20 06:48:30, with 48764 points after 24825 turns and 2:33:25. 00:02:07 !lg * bazaar 2 00:02:08 2/18. Radicchio the Reanimator (L12 KeNe), worshipper of Kikubaaqudgha, took a swim in molten lava in Bazaar on 2009-07-30 04:14:21, with 20837 points after 22704 turns and 1:16:48. 00:02:16 <|amethyst> johnstein: okay, the redirections work but now the scripts break for me 00:02:17 !lg * bazaar s=killer 00:02:17 18 games for * (bazaar): 4x, 3x a ravenous shop mimic, 2x a salamander, 2x an electric eel, 2x a lava snake, a blizzard demon, a ravenous statue mimic, a shop mimic, a ravenous door mimic, a vampire mosquito 00:02:27 <|amethyst> johnstein: internal server error once I provide my credentials 00:02:27 !lg * bazaar ktyp=mon 1 00:02:27 1/8. nooodl the Conjurer (L10 DEFE), worshipper of Vehumet, mangled by a shop mimic in Bazaar (bazaar_lake) on 2012-05-23 22:12:46, with 7154 points after 13466 turns and 0:41:43. 00:02:52 !lg * bazaar killer=salamander 1 00:02:53 1/2. xnavy the Grappler (L11 TrWr), worshipper of Cheibriados, slain by a salamander (a +1,+0 trident of flaming) in Bazaar (bazaar_minmay_generic_d) on 2012-10-30 20:37:05, with 12670 points after 11859 turns and 1:48:43. 00:03:40 wheals: not to my knowledge 00:03:54 <|amethyst> johnstein: check your apache error log, you'll probably see an error from the script 00:05:11 <|amethyst> johnstein: /home/crawl/DGL/dgldir/dumps/ has to be readable by user or group www-data 00:05:24 so where did the salamanders and lava snakes come from 00:05:38 i assume they weren't placed 00:06:13 <|amethyst> johnstein: also you need some sudo rules to allow www-data to run /home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/bin/dgl update-trunk and /home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/bin/dgl update-stable * as user crawl-dev 00:06:36 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2019-gd9bc7f0 (34) 00:07:13 <|amethyst> johnstein: (the trigger-rebuild.pl script explicitly does sudo -u crawl-dev dgl update-$branch $args 00:07:17 <|amethyst> ) 00:07:31 wheals: the game just generates water/lava monsters in water/lava unless the vault specifically tells it not to, it seems 00:07:50 yes 00:08:03 |amethyst: I see some errors. I'll take a look at the script and those directories 00:08:11 sorry i thought that was obvious 00:08:27 also 00:08:35 !vault bazaar_minmay_trees 00:08:36 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/8647042 00:08:52 <|amethyst> johnstein: and maybe tweak the document and add this stuff 00:09:00 er, not that one :P 00:09:12 <|amethyst> johnstein: since I forgot to the last three times I set this up :) 00:09:29 |amethyst: absolutely. one reason it's taking me a while to troubleshoot is because I'm trying to take notes so I don't forget everything :) 00:10:05 anyway, it seems like bazaar vaults were specifically designed under the assumption that monsters won't generate in them even in lava/water 00:10:08 !vault bazaar_lake 00:10:10 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/8647047 00:10:31 presumably the idea of this one is that there is a goldfish, not a goldfish and 10 other fish and eels 00:10:40 crawl-dev@www:/home/crawl$ ls -lt /home/crawl/DGL/dgldir/dumps/ 00:10:55 -rw-rw-r-- 1 crawl crawl 967957 00:11:21 well you could add no monster gen to all bazaars 00:11:22 so I think the dumps is OK 00:11:28 <|amethyst> johnstein: err? 00:11:46 <|amethyst> johnstein: ls -ld as well 00:12:04 <|amethyst> and give me a filename so I can test it 00:12:16 wheals: that would be the easy fix, yes! 00:12:27 you can probably do it in bazaar_setup even 00:12:33 crawl-dev@www:/home/crawl$ ls -ld /home/crawl/DGL/dgldir/dumps 00:12:34 drwxr-xr-x 2 crawl root 4096 Jan 16 19:53 /home/crawl/DGL/dgldir/dumps 00:12:38 SGrunt-crawl-git-2c76abe95d-140117-0053.tar.bz2 00:12:39 <|amethyst> johnstein: okay 00:12:51 either way it seems weird that it's now optimal to drop all your scrolls before entering a bazaar 00:12:57 <|amethyst> still the error here, what do the error logs say? 00:13:52 -!- TARBALLPYTHON has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:15:16 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:46 |amethyst: http://pastebin.com/WexxFsc7 00:15:49 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2019-gd9bc7f0 (34) 00:16:12 I bet it's the www-data issue 00:16:17 I haven't done anything with that 00:16:26 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2019-gd9bc7f0 (34) 00:16:27 <|amethyst> johnstein: ah, no 00:16:35 <|amethyst> johnstein: a few more libraries to install on the host 00:16:39 you could add "e.tags("no_monster_gen")" at line 67 of bazaar.des 00:17:05 <|amethyst> johnstein: libdbd-sqlite3-perl 00:17:09 it does seem pretty obvious that it isn't intended, and is bad with item destruction and very bad with new salamanders 00:17:31 I swear I've installed sqlite like a half dozen times on this thing 00:17:39 -!- Daagar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:17:46 apt-get install ALL-the-sqlites 00:17:50 <|amethyst> johnstein: this is the perl sqlite library 00:18:30 |amethyst: will do 00:19:40 |amethyst: voila 00:20:01 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:20:04 <|amethyst> woo 00:20:05 oh, looks like /crawl/saves needs some love still: Could not find /home/crawl/DGL/dgldir/dumps// 00:20:27 <|amethyst> johnstein: no, that's fine 00:20:44 yeah, not generating monsters randomly in bazaar would probably be ideal ... 00:20:49 <|amethyst> johnstein: that's just what it does when you don't give it a filename 00:20:53 ah ok 00:21:03 <|amethyst> johnstein: FR: implement a browser 00:21:08 you have the power! 00:21:16 so I have to copy/paste the filename? 00:21:23 FR:? 00:21:50 <|amethyst> johnstein: yeah, http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/saves/SGrunt-crawl-git-2c76abe95d-140117-0053.tar.bz2 00:21:57 <|amethyst> johnstein: FR = Feature Request 00:22:01 ah ok 00:22:16 <|amethyst> johnstein: i.e. it would be nice if it listed filenames when you authenticate but don't give a filename 00:22:25 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:32 I'll add that to the wiki 00:22:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 00:23:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:23:04 <|amethyst> ??rebuild 00:23:04 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:24:19 !learn edit rebuild[1] s/Bug/http:\/\/crawl.berotato.org\/crawl\/rebuild/ 00:24:20 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:24:32 oops 00:24:43 <|amethyst> !learn edit rebuild[1] s/kilo/Bug kilo/ 00:24:44 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:25:16 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:25:22 <|amethyst> !learn edit rebuild[1] s/Bug/ Bug/ 00:25:23 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:25:35 <|amethyst> !learn edit rebuild[1] s/. /. / 00:25:35 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild. https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:25:46 <|amethyst> oop 00:26:05 <|amethyst> !learn edit rebuild[1] s/rebuild\./rebuild\// 00:26:05 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:26:10 so does this mean that www-data is OK? 00:26:29 oh, I forgot my trailing / 00:26:33 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:26:45 <|amethyst> johnstein: the perms are okay because it's world-readable; I have them locked down a bit more but that's not necessary if you don't have users 00:26:55 <|amethyst> !learn edit rebuild[1] s/ / /g 00:26:55 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:27:12 <|amethyst> !learn edit rebuild[1] s/rebuild /rebuild\/ / 00:27:13 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:27:18 <|amethyst> !learn edit rebuild[1] s/rebuild /rebuild\/ / 00:27:18 rebuild[1/1]: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.lantea.net/rebuild/ http://rl.heh.fi/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ Bug kilobyte, |amethyst, or Napkin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 00:27:27 <|amethyst> so did TZer0 apparently 00:27:58 I'm basically the only human who logs in 00:29:09 |amethyst: ok, so looks like rebuilds and saves are working. I guess I just need to cross reference the devteam nicks to crawl nicks. sounds like not all of them have accounts 00:29:51 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:29:54 some of us are MUCH TOO BUSY to have the time to create accounts on all of the servers that people decide to make 00:30:14 (we are busy researching additional punctuation characters, obviously) 00:30:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:54 punctuation is important 00:31:41 <|amethyst> â¸˜Queâ€½ 00:31:50 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:46 you know, to use as botprefixes 00:33:16 Doesn't IRC mandate ASCII for usernames? 00:33:36 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:33:37 not that kind of prefix 00:34:12 I was on a server once with unicode nicks 00:34:15 it was kind of amusing 00:34:16 ædump 00:34:18 it didn't work very well 00:34:30 wheals: Sorry, that's just A and E smushed together 00:34:43 ã©ã®ã‚ˆã†ãªï¼Ÿ 00:34:53 so regarding umbra, is there any actual particular advantage to it having a higher radius 00:34:53 No comprendo 00:34:58 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:35:00 seems like once you get any umbra at all you're already at maximum benefit 00:35:05 unless you have allies maybe 00:35:35 <|amethyst> !learn add :beh: ^¡learn add $word >>>::: Okay, not adding $word. 00:35:35 :beh:[10/10]: ^¡learn add $word >>>::: Okay, not adding $word. 00:35:46 <|amethyst> ¡learn add fr all the things 00:35:46 Okay, not adding fr. 00:35:51 -!- iasov has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36:33 you get the stealth bonus right away, and the accuracy malus to opponents occurs no matter where they hit you from I think, at least for ranged 00:36:47 <|amethyst> !learn edit :beh:[10] s@.*@^¡learn add $word >>>::: Okay, not adding $word => $after@ 00:36:48 :beh:[10/10]: ^Â¡learn add $word >>>::: Okay, not adding $word => $after 00:36:58 <|amethyst> ¡learn add fr all the things 00:37:10 <|amethyst> hm, bad unicode handling there 00:37:12 "Sequell has crashed." 00:37:21 <|amethyst> !learn edit :beh:[10] s@Â@@ 00:37:21 :beh:[10/10]: ^¡learn add $word >>>::: Okay, not adding $word => $after 00:37:30 <|amethyst> ¡learn add fr[2] all the things 00:37:30 Okay, not adding fr[2] => all the things 00:37:42 <|amethyst> !learn add testjunk blah 00:37:43 testjunk[1/1]: blah 00:37:52 <|amethyst> close enough 00:37:57 <|amethyst> !learn del testjunk 00:37:58 Deleted testjunk[1/1]: blah 00:38:24 <|amethyst> sorry, should have done that in ##crawl-sequell... but this is of vital importance for crawl development! 00:38:59 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:40:11 -!- araganzar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:42:26 ah, looks like I can only add admins if they have an account 00:43:01 -!- Chris_Oelmueller is now known as ChrisOelmueller 00:43:17 that does sound a bit tiresome. for devs everytime a new server is created, and for server owners as devs make accounts. 00:45:12 |amethyst: Grunt: elliptic: so far are admins 00:45:23 time to go s/CSZO/CBRO/ 00:45:49 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2019-gd9bc7f0 00:47:48 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:48:58 <|amethyst> that stuff should ultimately go into the config 00:49:25 <|amethyst> and get substituted into the scripts at publish time 00:49:45 -!- gnum has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:51:21 johnnyzero (L10 DEDK) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 00:51:59 I'm pretty glad there's a check for that 00:52:22 fix is in trunk 00:52:45 <|amethyst> !lm johnnyzero crash -log 00:52:46 11. johnnyzero, XL10 DEDK, T:11892 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/johnnyzero/crash-johnnyzero-20140119-065118.txt 00:52:54 <|amethyst> %versions 00:52:55 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:52:56 <|amethyst> %version 00:52:56 trunk: 0.14-a0-2019-gd9bc7f0; 0.13: 0.13.1-25-g341c717; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 00:53:27 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:54:40 <|amethyst> hm, no, this was after the fix: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d 00:54:53 nuts! 00:55:05 or, well, what version did he just crash? 00:55:09 his game might have not been updated 00:55:15 <|amethyst> the one I just pasted 00:55:27 <|amethyst> see the top of the dump 00:55:31 ah, yeah, that's basically the fixed version ... 00:55:46 !lm . x=start,v 00:55:47 20810. [2014-01-19 06:51:18] [start=2014-01-19 05:54:14 [20140019055414S];v=0.14.0-a0] johnnyzero the Covert (L10 DEDK) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit labyrinth[158] didn't get generated on turn 11892. (Lab) 00:56:03 <|amethyst> !tell tenofswords another missing lab exit even after your fix: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/johnnyzero/crash-johnnyzero-20140119-065118.txt 00:56:03 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 00:57:08 so what is that "<" in the middle of the map? 00:57:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:57:59 <|amethyst> found it 00:58:00 looks like it is labyrinth_mini_lab 00:58:01 possibly the "KFEAT: < : exit_labyrinth" should be factored out ... 00:59:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-2020-g9a783ba: Fix another bad lab exit. 10(59 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9a783baf3e6c 00:59:46 <|amethyst> !tell tenofswords found it 00:59:46 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 01:00:03 i'm helpful 01:00:17 wait you found it 1 second before i did 01:02:12 amethyst: Is the dark maul still base 45 01:03:50 -!- Piginabag has quit [Client Quit] 01:04:48 <|amethyst> no, 44 since great maces were nerfed 01:05:06 |amethyst: can you try to trigger a rebuild of trunk on CBRO? I'm getting an error: sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified. the trigger-rebuild.pl script only has one sudo in it, and it's crawl-dev, who I thought should have been set up properly 01:05:45 <|amethyst> johnstein: did you add that sudoers entry I mentioned (from www-data to crawl-dev) ? 01:05:49 !tell tenofswords maybe factor out some of that stuff into common functions? 01:05:49 SamB: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 01:05:53 <|amethyst> johnstein: (and make sure it's nopasswd) 01:06:16 |amethyst: no, I didn't since I misread what you were telling me. doh 01:09:29 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:13:46 |amethyst: This seems to have made it work, but could you take a look to make sure it's what I want? 01:13:48 www-data ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/bin/dgl update-trunk, /home/crawl-dev/dgamelaunch-config/bin/dgl update-stable 01:14:26 the ALL=(ALL) part is what I was concerned with. 01:18:49 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org 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06:52:54 then I probably can't fix it without some help or something 06:55:01 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:55:01 unfortunately i have no idea myself 07:04:26 -!- MetaCosm has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 07:04:30 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:15 -!- Porost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:09:30 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:12:16 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:12:29 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:35 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:33:36 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:19 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2023-g53e1015: A couple of missing #ifdefs. 10(66 seconds ago, 2 files, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=53e101574827 07:39:07 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:11 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:42:43 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:27 -!- Xzal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:01:28 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 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thought so !!!! 09:50:38 (the inanity of such an effort gives it a rather low priority for completion though, anticipate it as a 0.15 thing) 09:52:35 it seems like a script that re-formats vaults would be likely to break everything 09:52:46 -!- TARBALLPYTHON has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:59 unless the script is trivial. i'm not sure what's being suggested 09:53:12 i also like breaking things this is perfect 09:53:28 I did say it was inane 09:53:45 what i'd love is for `/` to be an implicit line continuation in .des but who knows parsers 09:53:58 so now and forever it's /\ and i cry 09:54:26 yeah /\ is ugly 09:56:06 you could use \ and then start the next line with a /, there's really no difference. but this seems uglier somehow 09:57:16 it also bugs me when for multiline strings, a lot of scripts concatenate multiple strings 09:57:22 "like " .. 09:57:23 "this" 09:57:51 for vault definitions or user-facing output? 09:58:06 for the latter, string concatenation needs to just go away completely 09:58:28 but for e.g. some common ego definitions etc. i like it better than repeating all the stuff eternally 09:58:34 well, the reason is because if you want to define a monster spec in a script, you'll use a string, but if it's really long you might want to split it over several lines 09:58:50 the thing is, you can use [[ and ]] for multiline string literals, and I don't see the disadvantage to that 09:58:51 of course certain sprints might overdo it yes 09:58:59 i've wondered about that actually 09:59:10 vault definitions should just be a single, long line. 09:59:18 mostly pitsprint i think :P 09:59:28 ??tweetsprint 09:59:28 tweetsprint[1/1]: 140-character sprint map by nooodl: http://bpaste.net/raw/117966/ 10:00:52 I dont care if the vault source has obscenely long monster or item definition lines. it's necessary in a lot of cases, especially if you want to do stuff like define a shop 10:01:12 it's just, why does every line have to be 10:01:13 "like this" .. 10:01:35 that's why unifying things is good though 10:01:44 e.kitem("i = necronomicon ident:all / " .. book .. "necromutation / " .. 10:01:44 book .. "death's_door / " .. book .. "haunt / " .. 10:01:45 book .. "borgnjor's_revivification") 10:01:48 so there's no examples of Doing it Wrong in the source anymore 10:01:57 people might be less likely to inspire themselves wrongly then 10:02:00 -!- Undo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:26 assuming any given two members can agree on what is right and wrong 10:02:52 whatever i did is prolly right 10:03:04 didnt you usually just bug due and make him do all the work 10:03:06 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:25 don't reveal trade secretz 10:05:42 doesn't crawl get very annoyed whenever level borders of non-wall are defined or does tweetsprint still somehow work 10:05:55 tenofswords: what was wrong with hellbinder monlist 10:06:34 thanks for cleanin up all those old vaults btw 10:08:09 hellbinder monlist was done before the demons branch, it meant something completely different from when it was first made 10:08:21 oh ok 10:08:47 I do feel kind of bad for cutting into placing more chances for hellions but it's compenated for elsewhere 10:10:43 -MARKER: f = lua:fog_machine { \ 10:10:44 +MARKER: h = lua:fog_machine { \ 10:10:45 really 10:11:25 +SHUFFLE: A<, 4d, 7f, 4d / 5e, 7f / 8g 10:11:26 +SUBST: 7 = 4, 8 = 5, df = 6, eg = 3 10:15:48 is f a default 10:16:35 unlike wizlab_cigotuvi, wizlab_demon is rather awkward in available glyphs due to the tile patterns taking up a lot 10:16:57 very important to preserve random chunks of semi-comprehensibility here 10:17:14 mate 10:17:18 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:17:27 f is for fire 10:17:30 :f 10:17:57 i hope you can work this trick into your standards document 10:19:03 the trick will be "don't use 31 sequential glyphs just for tiles decoration" 10:19:49 it's looks pretty sweet in tiles though you gotta give it that 10:19:59 well, yes 10:20:15 it is not something that should be repeated, essentially 10:21:29 it never occured to me that i'm not supposed to redefine default glyphs for readability btw 10:22:33 do not worry about it, I will just edit everything into somewhat better states 10:24:22 my vault days are probably done anyway, but if they weren't i would still never stop putting granite statues on 8 10:24:31 -!- Mu_ has quit [Quit: Defecator, may everything turn out okay so that you can leave this place.] 10:28:18 -!- TheMattybee has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:28:57 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:24 -!- Undo has quit [] 10:38:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:49:49 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:26 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:34 New branch created: unsummon (16 commits) 10:58:40 03kilobyte02 07[unsummon] * 0.14-a0-2024-g381207a: Drop the Summoner background. 10(5 hours ago, 8 files, 20+ 45-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=381207af27a7 10:58:40 03kilobyte02 07[unsummon] * 0.14-a0-2025-g29a77d9: Make Sputterflies a hex. 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=29a77d9f890b 10:58:40 03kilobyte02 07[unsummon] * 0.14-a0-2026-gcc74e22: Move Abjuration, Haunt, Malign Gateway off the sinking boat. 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cc74e22492a1 10:58:40 03kilobyte02 07[unsummon] * 0.14-a0-2027-g36969e1: Remove staves of summoning. 10(5 hours ago, 12 files, 11+ 35-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=36969e1c186d 10:58:40 03kilobyte02 07[unsummon] * 0.14-a0-2028-g2322870: Take away Call Imp from Wz. 10(5 hours ago, 2 files, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2322870874bd 10:58:40 03kilobyte02 07[unsummon] * 0.14-a0-2029-g1e45c01: Drop summoning-themed wanderers. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 19-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e45c01c59b9 10:58:40 03kilobyte02 07[unsummon] * 0.14-a0-2030-ga691290: Spellbook changes wrt Summ. 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a691290116f0 10:58:40 03kilobyte02 07[unsummon] * 0.14-a0-2031-g63311f1: Get rid of summoning books. 10(4 hours ago, 10 files, 38+ 19-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63311f181516 10:58:40 03kilobyte02 07[unsummon] * 0.14-a0-2032-g00fbabe: Remove vault: hangedman_summoners_spam. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 39-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=00fbabefe8d1 10:58:40 03kilobyte02 07[unsummon] * 0.14-a0-2033-g3363a79: Get rid of scrolls of summoning. 10(4 hours ago, 10 files, 12+ 35-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3363a79c7003 10:58:40 ... and 6 more commits 10:59:42 okay, I am going to be rather glad that's staying in a branch 11:00:25 like, I don't even want to begin to argue about how worthless shadow demons are made as an anything 11:01:23 hmm okay that's certainly one approach 11:01:49 if only I didn't make a certain someone work on a branch 11:03:14 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:03:17 I like the message on 381207a 11:04:37 like, cutting a thing because it doesn't work and then making a bunch of only tangetially related, actually-working things also cut 11:04:55 is not really a philosophy development should keep. 11:05:40 which thing is the one not working? 11:06:02 the not working thing is the summoning school 11:06:27 the working things were shadow demons, scrolls of summoning, deep elf death mages, rods of swarm, 11:07:17 (I like how shadow demons weren't even made invisible again) 11:07:19 is there discussion about this somewhere, besides commit messages 11:07:22 well I don't get why you would get rid of most player summoning spells and then keep rod of the swarm, since it's the same thing 11:07:30 <|amethyst> Also, why wasn't Haunt removed? 11:07:48 <|amethyst> I guess because it targets a single creature 11:07:53 i'll agree to the point of this being mostly unnecessary and overdoing things into one direction yet again 11:08:36 i don't feel like my opinion on individual commits would be valued in any way but most of what tenofswords said looks good to me as well 11:09:02 at any rate this is just a fork and it's pointless to argue with the committer so 11:09:10 whether or not rod of swarm should exist is not the important bit imo 11:09:11 s|fork|branch| 11:09:25 well yeah I just wanted to pick at that one example 11:09:44 i liked old boggarts but don't want to suggest them being special-cased to not unsummon for reasons 11:09:52 so that isn't very controversial i guess 11:09:59 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:10:19 where does that come from? 11:10:30 does kilobyte only communicate through commit messages now? 11:10:40 "now" 11:10:50 lost souls in elf worked really well when i played some, shadow demons i have no opinion, demon rod going i like, swarm i'd keep, same for scrolls 11:11:28 since there is no discussion about this, let it be recorded that my opinion on the matter is "I disagree with these commits" 11:11:29 shoving even more stuff into Enchantments is like "uh ok?" and Wz is probably more awful to start if one doesn't like meph (it happens) 11:11:42 and finally removing Su: good 11:11:48 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:51 <|amethyst> galehar: Certainly "remove summoning" has been suggested here quite a bit 11:12:11 <|amethyst> galehar: elliptic has suggested it several times 11:12:23 Just throwing my own opposition against many of these commits, for whatever it's worth 11:12:27 the thing is that removing summoning was due to a heavy-handed approach to the school 11:12:37 |amethyst: ok, thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of it 11:12:38 Whatever problems you think the summoning school has or doesn't have, many of these commits trash things completely unrelated to it 11:12:45 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:54 and that nobody wants to or has the effort and time to fix the spell school 11:12:55 Like ?summoning's connection to player summoning spells is nearly meaningless 11:12:55 (nor the many devs who don't follow ##crawl-dev constantly I guess) 11:13:08 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:13:11 It is a good effect on a rare consumable and completely tangential to any discussion of spellbooks 11:13:27 It would be like removing ?tele because you removed the tele self spell 11:13:28 I'm probably late to the party, but we had a kid over here. Is everyone here fine with Sum removal? 11:13:36 not in the slightest! 11:13:41 It looks more like no one is fine with it 11:13:45 well does it matter is the question 11:13:46 !seen kilobyte 11:13:47 I last saw kilobyte at Sun Jan 19 04:55:04 2014 UTC (12h 18m 42s ago) saying 'gammafunk: it's there only as a fancy goto' on ##crawl-dev. 11:14:06 in fact, I'd say that kilobyte summoned a branch and now we're fighting against the summon instead of the summoner 11:14:14 dpeg: he pushed it in a branch in case you didn't notice 11:14:22 galehar: ah, didn't indeed 11:14:22 <|amethyst> I guess kilobyte didn't get to decks yet 11:14:29 * dpeg is very shortsighted 11:14:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:43 <|amethyst> since it seems odd to remove the scroll but not remove the single most abusable source of summoning in the game 11:14:52 |amethyst: what is it? 11:14:52 |amethyst: so, since this was apparently discussed, was there any consensus? 11:15:10 the commits even seem to imply monster summoning is getting removed completely as well 11:15:33 the consensus was that the current player summoning school is bad and several versions of monsters need addressing due to the abjuration-on-death-change 11:15:38 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2023-g53e1015 (34) 11:15:41 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 11:15:41 <|amethyst> galehar: I think most people agree *something* needs to happen with the school, and many people (though not necessarily the same ones) think that something needs to happen with monster summoning 11:15:57 <|amethyst> I don't see the problem with pushing this to a branch 11:16:01 On summon spells: on the one hand, I believe that the school has potential (to be a meaningful playing style/asset etc.). On the other hand, I thought the same about traps. So I don't want to cling to Sum if people are happy with letting it go. 11:16:04 <|amethyst> it's a starting point for discussion 11:16:16 I think it's a bad kind of starting point 11:16:20 <|amethyst> and the likelihood of that branch going into master as is seems quite low 11:16:21 By blowing up a ton of unrelated things 11:16:22 well traps are still in the game :P 11:16:30 |amethyst: sure, although I find it more productive to start a discussion with words rather than code 11:16:50 DracoOmega: well it sure started discussion!!! 11:16:53 like an email, or a wiki page which analyze the problems and suggests ways to address them 11:17:10 TARBALLPYTHON: That doesn't mean it was good 11:17:14 This would be a good opportunity to discuss the scope of player summons in general: do we want none at all, or only from gods, or only from gods and items? Etc. 11:17:31 but that's kilobyte's way I guess 11:17:36 Would it really? This feels like the tone has already been set pretty negatively to me? 11:17:52 -!- nixor1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:17:55 or keep status quo, surely 11:18:01 until something better is proposed 11:18:09 syllogism: sure, that is one option 11:18:25 the ideal thing would be a player summoning school that was arranged around summons being used in specific functions rather than having spells designed around spamming summons then having spamming cut off 11:18:43 there are more than enough forms of player allies produced by the player to show that it would work 11:18:45 Like, there are certainly some problems with the summon school, but I am definitely not in favor of removing summon spells in general 11:18:50 tenofswords: yes. I think Summon Hydra went in this direction. 11:18:59 Also the tentacle. 11:18:59 <|amethyst> tenofswords: Eronarn has a proposal along those lines at: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:magic:schools:summoning 11:19:22 dpeg: I think battlesphere and spectral weapon, while arguably extensions of the player, are also good examples 11:19:22 <|amethyst> specifically https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:magic:schools:summoning#radical_revamp 11:20:09 <|amethyst> (also re the branch: Haunt doesn't need a buff does it?) 11:20:31 I imagine it doesn't 11:21:12 familiar, merge portal with herd, merge turret with hunter 11:22:54 <|amethyst> mount could be interesting but seems kind of redundant with tmut 11:23:18 dpeg: Summon hydra is one of the more interesting summons, yeah. 11:23:46 Since it's one of the few truly offensive spells in the school. 11:23:49 makes me imagine "centaur form" except with something not a horse or snake or fish 11:24:04 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:24:04 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:31 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:48 Anyway, as so often I think the deal is this: if someone puts thought into this, we could have a really cool summoning. The question is if current Sum is so bad to warrant removal without this. 11:24:58 I say no 11:25:07 (And even if it was, that's tangential to half that branch's commits) 11:26:11 I mean, while it's got a number of problems and is played by few people compared to most backgrounds, SOME people still do play it and those who don't don't need to really intersect with it at all. 11:27:47 So I don't think just blowing it up it a net improvement (and CERTAINLY not if a bunch of other solid things get blown up at the same time) 11:27:56 yes, "I don't use it" is not good enough for removal, imo. Some species are rarely played, and we (rightly) don't care. 11:28:44 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:29:13 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:26 Nor, I say, is the fact that many people who don't use it don't like it either 11:29:55 Any more than we FORCE people to play Beogh or whatnot 11:30:15 sometimes you (wrongly) care about the ones that are being played though 11:30:16 and have beards 11:30:55 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:31:17 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:46 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:01 Su had several changes negatively affecting both its power and enjoyableness so doing something about it isn't that bad an idea, combining it with several unrelated things on the other hand... 11:34:22 transparent agenda covers 11:34:44 Yes, I do agree it should be improved 11:34:47 ChrisOelmueller: power yes, fun no 11:34:53 I think several things about the current state is bad 11:35:04 dpeg: No, it's pretty definitely less fun than it used to be, I am fairly sure 11:35:25 And I don't mean just because it's less strong. I mean on an unrelated axis. 11:35:26 I have seen comments that the rule change "have to be in sight of summons" makes the game more fun, and from my limited playtesting I concur 11:35:42 Well, that might be okay. That's not the issue I'm referring to 11:35:43 but perhaps you're referring to the summon cap 11:35:48 I am, anyway 11:35:51 Need more context! 11:35:55 Sorry ^^; 11:36:11 i'll even include glass change to what's adding frustration for me personally, even if not historically accurate 11:36:19 And hey, I'm somehow actually trying to code at the moment too! :P 11:36:49 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:36:59 anyway, drawbacks and unfun features should be mentioned precisely, otherwise we can't go on 11:37:14 "summons suck" or "they were better before" does not help much 11:37:26 hmm, my sister is watching the most boring program *ever* on her laptop ... 11:37:39 i'm trying to not be concrete about what i dislike on Su as i haven't played any in 0.12 or 0.13 11:38:01 "Configuring Windows updates" 11:38:18 though as I started to type that the percentage suddenly started increasing 11:38:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:39:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:42:16 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:42:42 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 11:43:53 -!- nixor2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:56 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:47:18 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:47:34 -!- Zileas has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:49:26 going to throw in my agreement that the "unsummon" branch is being overzealous 11:50:14 i've only ever felt that (most of) the summoning spell school is badly designed, i do not have problems with monsters, consumables, etc 11:51:56 evilmike: do you think there are some decent Sum spells (which could stay with no/little changes)? Which ones? 11:56:35 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:59:01 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:59:15 I dont know. I sometimes say "just delete everything and start over again" but I don't consider that realistic really. The problems are too tied up with the underlying mechanics (i've mentioned before how much I dislike how allies behave out of your LOS) 12:02:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:03:39 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-2024-gbad0f68: Buff Crypt:$ loot with thematic extra stuff 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 116+ 61-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bad0f68e464b 12:08:30 -!- raskol has quit [Client Quit] 12:12:01 hrm 12:12:56 there some specific item choice you disagree with 12:13:10 no, I was just confused about something but now I'm not 12:13:22 ??botono 12:13:22 spear of the botono[1/2]: The +2,+10 spear of the Botono {reap, rPois rN+ HP-6}, acts as a hex enhancer. 12:13:33 such a weird weapon 12:13:42 well, yes 12:14:02 that's not a comment on your commit, just in general 12:14:25 tenofswords: nice commit! 12:14:46 (Every time my glass crypt vault gets mentioned, I am afraid it got cut for reals :) 12:14:55 better/more thematic crypt end loot sounds good 12:17:03 not sure if I'll be getting in more players with the 1/18 chance for a vampiric battleaxe, but who knows 12:17:42 necronomicon is good (although you often will find it elsewhere), unrandarts aren't bad, randart jewellery isn't bad 12:19:19 Dith's shadow attack duplication seems to conflict with sleeping needles. 12:19:43 Because when it shoots a needle along with you it wakes up the sleeping monster if it hits it. 12:20:03 does it? 12:20:04 that's bad 12:20:14 of course, it shouldn't even try to shoot needles in the first place since they won't do anything 12:32:12 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:54 yea, tenofswords, that makes me excited to play some crypt 12:38:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:38:40 ... 12:39:04 I, uh, kind of forgot that people can't play crypt anyway 12:39:10 welp 12:41:59 -!- unpossible has quit [Quit: unpossible] 12:45:49 Working on it! 12:45:54 (Well, not this second, but in general) 12:47:08 heh 12:49:31 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:50:19 -!- N78291 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:53 any interest in a lightning spire summon? I see there is summon issues and I have an old patch I could finish up 12:52:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:55 -!- konstantin___ has quit [Quit: konstantin___] 12:55:17 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:08 -!- Daagar is now known as daagar 12:59:53 !whereis thedefinitearticle 12:59:53 thedefinitearticle the Necromancer (L23 TeNe), a worshipper of Dithmengos, is currently on Forest:5 after 94372 turns. 13:02:50 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-2025-ge99595f: Don't snap monsters out of wounded fleeing by attacking (only actual magical fear) 10(28 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e99595fa41a4 13:02:50 03DracoOmega02 07* 0.14-a0-2026-g4fcad2e: Make monsters going berserk break fear and stop fleeing 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4fcad2e16e85 13:04:51 Speaking of fear. 13:05:00 The obsidian axe should probably grant you immunity to it. 13:05:11 Because being mesmerized to something you can't approach is dumb. 13:05:31 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:34 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:07:42 It might make sense 13:08:03 You ARE kind of being driven mad with bloodlust by it, after all 13:09:07 Has this actually happened to you, then? :P 13:09:23 Yes, a shapeshifter turned into a satyr in zigsprint. 13:09:28 Haha 13:09:28 Which then promptly began spamming fear. 13:09:30 Nice 13:09:40 And so I had to cleave the other monsters while waiting for the targetting to switch. 13:09:55 since i can't move away or move towards it 13:11:53 -!- bschlief has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14:25 -!- Koolguydude has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 13:15:08 -!- daagar has quit [Disconnected by services] 13:15:15 -!- daagar_ is now known as daagar 13:21:31 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:21:58 by the way, why does the player being feared block melee attacks? 13:22:39 so that if a fearing monster gets into melee (e.g. an eidolon), fear still means something 13:23:14 N78291: yes, there is! I think that sits well with the tentacle and what we don't have with most of our summon spells right now. 13:23:56 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 13:25:09 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:26:39 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:32:26 * xFleury waves at dpeg. 13:37:40 Hallo 13:38:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:46:26 could someone commit this Fo patch for me? http://sprunge.us/JIaW 13:47:35 * Bloax waves at ontoclasm1 13:47:38 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:41 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/obsidian_pickup.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/obsidian_wielded.png 13:47:42 -!- daagar has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:53:00 -!- Jens_from_Denmar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:54:45 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:55:25 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:56:34 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:43 -!- Mateji has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:00:41 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 14:00:45 -!- hayuto has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:01:00 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:49 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:07:49 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 14:10:14 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:10:40 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:11:33 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:11:39 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 14:12:53 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 14:17:31 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:17:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 14:20:49 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:34:59 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:35:52 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:37 You finish putting on the cursed -5 robe of the Countless Ghosts {Dex+1 Int+2}. 14:41:02