00:00:24 Quality guarenteed! :P 00:00:26 (So we hope) 00:00:52 s/guaren/guaran/ 00:01:24 speling iz knot gareteed 00:02:49 <|amethyst> Hey, did anyone move Mr Tarot in CREDITS.txt yet? 00:02:49 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:03:09 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:03:09 <|amethyst> I'd do it, but my internet connection at home is down 00:04:09 |amethyst: how are you online? ;) 00:04:13 <|amethyst> I'm at work 00:04:21 <|amethyst> or, at least, in the building 00:04:21 at 1am? 00:04:31 <|amethyst> fortunately it's a 3 minute walk from my house 00:04:34 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:41 |amethyst: why ARE you there at 1am 00:04:42 <|amethyst> and I have a code for the building 00:04:46 academics. you keep the oddest schedules 00:04:53 oh 00:04:53 <|amethyst> SamB: because my internet access at home is out 00:05:00 Time flies when you're having fun 00:05:03 -!- Tarragon is now known as Basil 00:05:13 oh, 3 minute walk + have code + net at home is down is a pretty good explanation 00:05:39 -!- TARBALLPYTHON has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05:42 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05:45 <|amethyst> I'm probably not here for too much longer, but wanted to check in 00:06:20 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2001-g390038d (34) 00:06:27 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-2002-g23d0e90: Fixup CREDITS.txt 10(33 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=23d0e901ab6a 00:06:28 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-2001-g390038d (34) 00:06:29 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:06:43 <|amethyst> bh: thanks 00:06:44 huh. I actually can't map everyone on the devteam from meatname -> handle 00:07:18 guess which of us is Samuel Bronson 00:07:20 <|amethyst> !nick devteam 00:07:21 Mapping devteam => kilobyte pointless dpeg enne evktalo keskitalo bookofjude haranp rax rob sorear zaba felirx doy itsmu greensnark MarvinPA evilmike grunt sgrunt neil edlothiol jpeg erisdiscordia galehar elliptic ontoclasm bh frogbotherer napkin samb dracoomega mumra medar 00:07:34 <|amethyst> !nick devteam hangedman tenofswords 00:07:34 Mapping devteam => kilobyte pointless dpeg enne evktalo keskitalo bookofjude haranp rax rob sorear zaba felirx doy itsmu greensnark MarvinPA evilmike grunt sgrunt neil edlothiol jpeg erisdiscordia galehar elliptic ontoclasm bh frogbotherer napkin samb dracoomega mumra medar hangedman tenofswords 00:07:50 frogbotherer vanished 00:07:54 !seen frogbotherer 00:07:54 Sorry bh, I haven't seen frogbotherer. 00:07:58 !seen mumra 00:07:59 Sorry bh, I haven't seen mumra. 00:08:00 <|amethyst> !nick devteam -rm tenofswords 00:08:00 Deleted tenofswords from devteam => kilobyte pointless dpeg enne evktalo keskitalo bookofjude haranp rax rob sorear zaba felirx doy itsmu greensnark MarvinPA evilmike grunt sgrunt neil edlothiol jpeg erisdiscordia galehar elliptic ontoclasm bh frogbotherer napkin samb dracoomega mumra medar hangedman tenofswords 00:08:30 !lg tenofswords 00:08:31 No games for tenofswords. 00:08:35 !lg hangedman 00:08:36 905. HangedMan the Annihilator (L27 DgCj), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-02-08 23:40:25, with 9541148 points after 182325 turns and 1d+6:10:01. 00:08:54 |amethyst: we need to kick 3 people off the devteam. We're over 27 00:09:18 what's up with not having 27 branches? 00:09:36 bh: we don't have a big enough alphabet is what 00:09:53 <|amethyst> bh: Some of the people on that list are more or less retired but just haven't asked to be removed 00:10:03 <|amethyst> for example, when's the last time someone saw peterb? 00:10:14 !lg peterb 00:10:15 No games for peterb. 00:10:19 there's over 27 branches in fact as 0-8 are all occupied 00:10:33 oh 00:11:05 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 00:11:08 do any of the 4.0 team play? 00:11:48 <|amethyst> !lg atomjack 00:11:49 895. Atomjack the Archmage (L27 DECj), worshipper of Vehumet, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-01-16 14:11:37, with 9491033 points after 185267 turns and 1d+3:00:14. 00:12:11 !lg devteam cv<=0.4.0 s=name 00:12:11 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:12:12 9437 games for devteam (cv<=0.4.0): 2785x sorear, 1581x KiloByte, 972x rob, 766x bookofjude, 764x rax, 667x doy, 493x dpeg, 391x greensnark, 307x pointless, 246x Napkin, 158x haranp, 83x Zaba, 80x erisdiscordia, 61x bh, 43x Enne, 21x Keskitalo, 16x evktalo, 2x jpeg, edlothiol 00:12:12 <|amethyst> not aware of any others 00:12:48 that looks wrong 00:12:57 I started playing around 0.7 00:13:11 Doesn't exclude devs that played during 0.4.0 and became devs later 00:13:18 that too 00:13:28 !lg bh 1 x=cv 00:13:28 1/1463. [cv=0.4] bh the Ducker (L8 TrBe), worshipper of Trog, mangled by an orc warrior (a +1,+1 orcish hand axe) on D:7 on 2009-05-21 20:30:48, with 1418 points after 5317 turns and 1:01:07. 00:14:01 <|amethyst> !lg bh 1 x=v,src 00:14:02 1/1463. [v=0.4.5;src=cao] bh the Ducker (L8 TrBe), worshipper of Trog, mangled by an orc warrior (a +1,+1 orcish hand axe) on D:7 on 2009-05-21 20:30:48, with 1418 points after 5317 turns and 1:01:07. 00:14:03 oh, Basil: 0.4 != 4.0 00:14:23 0.4.1 != 4.1 00:14:25 Is 4.0 that weird impossible one 00:14:27 wait, tenofswords was on the devteam? 00:14:27 <_< 00:14:29 since when 00:14:37 !nick hangedman 00:14:38 No nick mapping for hangedman. 00:14:43 ??tenofswords 00:14:44 hangedman[1/14]: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ0nrfYa0Ss 00:14:44 Basil: no, that's 4.1 00:14:46 yesterday? 00:14:52 <|amethyst> Someone needs to send out that announcement to CRD too 00:15:11 I thought galehar already did that? 00:15:16 <|amethyst> ah, maybe I missed it 00:15:17 it .. kinda was awkwardly 00:16:04 <|amethyst> oh.. 00:16:12 <|amethyst> I hadn't realised that email went to CRD 00:16:27 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2002-g23d0e90 (34) 00:16:50 Lightli: is since, like, today or yesterday 00:17:02 Lightli: but has no games recorded under that nick 00:17:14 k 00:18:24 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2002-g23d0e90 (34) 00:18:56 <|amethyst> !tell tenofswords You are now subscribed to the secret list. This message has self-destructed. 00:18:56 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 00:22:09 <|amethyst> !tell tenofswords And "HangedMan" is a dgl admin (wizmode, save backups, rebuild trigger) on cszo and cao; let me know if you want to use a different account for that 00:22:10 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 00:23:07 <|amethyst> !tell tenofswords And you should add yourself to https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam 00:23:07 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tenofswords know. 00:24:11 <|amethyst> Anyway, I'm off... as nice as it is to have internet access, it's still work :P 00:29:22 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:36:54 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:37:36 -!- master_j has quit [Client Quit] 00:40:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:42:52 -!- 64MABCB7A has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:52 -!- 17SAAAAIJ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:20 -!- thedefinite has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- In tests, 0x09 out of 0x0A l33t h4x0rz prefer it :)] 00:43:29 -!- nxtlvl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:43:31 -!- 17SAAAAIJ has quit [Client Quit] 00:43:36 -!- 64MABCB7A is now known as dtsund 00:45:49 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2002-g23d0e90 00:46:17 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:52:07 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:02:58 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:19:47 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:21:29 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:22:21 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:23:56 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:27:18 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:30:35 k3 01:30:38 oops, sorry 01:30:53 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:33:27 -!- Somefellow has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34:44 -!- bschlief has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36:26 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:37:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:03 -!- bovinius has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 01:44:23 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:46:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2003-ge2b55cd: A whitespace fix and parentheses removal. 10(4 hours ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2b55cde40be 01:46:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2004-g84bb0ee: Remove an unused monster class flag. 10(3 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=84bb0ee178be 01:46:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2005-g34f7df8: Mark some orc name keys as internal. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=34f7df837793 01:46:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2006-gc136d05: Don't pretend there are generic monster names. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c136d05d4fa0 01:46:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2007-gd49803f: Remove an impossible line from Mennas' speech. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d49803f2b8a7 01:46:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2008-g5b0b6f6: Remove an ancient series of ridiculous comments. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5b0b6f6013ad 01:46:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2009-g40b0258: Mark a couple Saint Roka lines as internal. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=40b02585ee68 01:46:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2010-g47bb4e8: Deindent. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 57+ 57-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=47bb4e8fd638 01:46:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2011-gdc698e9: Slightly refactor. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 51+ 62-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc698e96ce80 01:46:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2012-gc82f483: Update ZotDef branch distribution. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 24+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c82f4830e339 01:53:30 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2001-g390038d (34) 01:54:51 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:43 sayami (L14 VpEn) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. 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(Lab) 03:57:36 -!- tkappleton has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:57:37 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:58:02 mopl (L14 OpEn) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 03:58:16 mopl (L14 OpEn) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 03:59:22 -!- notid has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:00:34 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:01:50 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:02:28 -!- stabwound has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:02:28 -!- Moredrea1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:02:56 mopl (L14 OpEn) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. 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(Lab) 07:26:24 !messages 07:26:24 No messages for TZer0. 07:38:53 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:41:12 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:13 -!- CedorDark has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:43:26 -!- tali713 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:46:20 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:47 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:48:09 -!- tali713 has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:51 -!- Cedorovitch has joined ##crawl-dev 07:52:01 -!- CedorDark has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:53:23 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 07:56:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:57:57 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:57:57 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:58:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 08:13:14 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 08:16:26 -!- Kalma has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:29:16 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:26 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 08:39:39 -!- Zileas has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:13 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:45:08 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:53:47 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 08:56:56 -!- Cedorovitch has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:57:04 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 08:57:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:59:13 -!- Shazbot has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:59:17 notcluie (L20 SpEE) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 08:59:26 -!- CedorDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:59:37 ... 08:59:37 tenofswords: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:59:40 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:00:25 notcluie (L20 SpEE) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 09:01:22 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:01:39 !lm notcluie crash -log 09:01:39 3. notcluie, XL20 SpEE, T:54992 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/notcluie/crash-notcluie-20140118-150023.txt 09:02:02 so, I seem to be crazy, since I distinctly see a < on that crashdump's map 09:05:56 tenofswords, ff1b71fbce89814 has accidentally removed the KFEAT: < : exit_labyrinth lines 09:06:22 eurgh 09:10:17 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 09:10:52 speaking of bugs 09:11:05 tengu permaflight is as blue as normal non-permaflight 09:11:19 while all other sources of permaflight (boots/gr wings) are white 09:11:35 normal tempflight is not blue 09:12:50 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:13:39 oh yeah it's actually violet 09:21:03 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:30 -!- CedorDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:24:55 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:30 -!- CedorDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:31:37 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-1989-g142ad28: (actually, Actually) Fix Labyrinth stuff 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=142ad28fbd78 09:31:37 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-1990-gc81737e: (Slightly) tweak/buff Swamp/Shoals:1-4 spawns, Depths OOD monsters 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c81737ebbf79 09:31:37 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d: Merge branch 'master' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl 10(49 seconds ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a4604d11724 09:31:38 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:38 hmm, I wonder if I should be acquainted with the manual server update thing 09:33:56 ...wait 09:33:56 what 09:33:56 what was that last one 09:35:14 result of laziness and git config enabling it 09:35:31 (the remote branch had some changes and you didn't pull --rebase before pushing your changes) 09:35:44 (so on push it automatically runs a merge) 09:36:08 okay, I shall not do that 09:36:26 it's not harmful, just clutters up history a bit 09:37:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:38:03 it runs it on pull, rather 09:38:11 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39:13 and yeah, git pull --rebase to avoid that 09:39:46 git doesn't know if your "master" has been published or not, and errs on the safer side 09:40:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:40:32 for about any of us (other than Linus and probably no one else), --rebase is a better default 09:41:21 Neoxx (L12 OpAs) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 09:41:58 !seen |amethyst 09:41:58 I last saw |amethyst at Tue Nov 26 22:20:09 2013 UTC (7w 3d 17h 21m 49s ago) saying 'Cedor: when you kill one, you get either a spriggan or a giant firefly' on ##crawl-dev. 09:42:19 Neoxx (L12 OpAs) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 09:42:48 maybe somebody else should go update the servers 09:43:52 -!- TARBALLPYTHON has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:14 Trapped in a labyrinth? 09:44:29 [18 15:05] tenofswords, ff1b71fbce89814 has accidentally removed the KFEAT: < : exit_labyrinth lines 09:44:47 which is why the servers need updating 09:44:53 -!- Bodrick_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:10 tenofswords: just nitpicking: for the DOWN distribution, starting the range below 1 means it'd be better to trim it to 1 then rescale 09:46:01 like, -1,7,400,DOWN is same as 1,7,300,DOWN 09:46:19 it is probably possible to force one's way into a lab by repeating the crash until you get the 2/7 chance for one of the working lab vaults 09:46:22 (it's a triangle with the wide side cut) 09:46:30 since the crash is on entering and starting the lab 09:46:48 which servers are affected? 09:46:48 -!- Cedorovitch has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:39 I am going to guess all of them besides cao? 09:47:41 Neoxx actually just did that a few minutes ago if I'm reading the botspam in ##crawl right 09:48:17 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:32 -!- st_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:32 -!- Daekdroom has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:32 -!- crate has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:33 -!- Vizer_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:33 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:33 -!- master_j has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:33 -!- johlstei_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:33 -!- buppy has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:33 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:34 -!- Bodrick has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:34 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:34 -!- galehar has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:34 -!- FaMott has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:34 -!- johnny0 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:34 -!- kunwon1 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:35 -!- Azzkikr has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:35 -!- us17 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:35 -!- Medar has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:35 -!- ChongLi has quit [*.net *.split] 09:49:49 in any case, people who don't want such things happen to them should just play the releases :P 09:50:03 -!- CedorDark has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:51:00 alkrog (L11 TeWz) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 09:51:29 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d (34) 09:51:36 I am tempted to peak into every game getting the crash and tell them to just keep trying over and over 09:52:09 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:10 -!- johlstei_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:10 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:10 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:10 -!- FaMott has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:10 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:10 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:10 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:12 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 09:53:39 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d (34) 09:56:10 -!- ystael has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:10 -!- st_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:11 -!- Daekdroom has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:11 -!- crate has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:11 -!- Vizer_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:11 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:11 -!- master_j has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:11 -!- johlstei_ has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:11 -!- buppy has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:11 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:11 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:12 -!- galehar has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:12 -!- FaMott has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:12 -!- johnny0 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:12 -!- Azzkikr has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:12 -!- us17 has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:12 -!- Medar has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:12 -!- ChongLi has quit [*.net *.split] 09:56:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:56:33 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:47 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:48 -!- johlstei_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:48 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:48 -!- galehar has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:48 -!- FaMott has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:48 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:48 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:02 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d 10:00:18 -!- Bodrick_ is now known as Bodrick 10:02:35 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d (34) 10:05:47 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 10:06:22 hi evilmike 10:06:31 hello 10:07:25 -!- Cedorovitch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:07:49 -!- Cedorovitch has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:04 jeedimahstah (L15 MiBe) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 10:12:32 -!- morik has quit [Disconnected by services] 10:12:34 -!- morik_ is now known as morik 10:14:20 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:02 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 10:17:40 -!- Cedorovitch has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:19:22 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:47 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:30:20 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:37:45 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:38:01 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:40:48 -!- Xzal has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:45:54 elbog (L12 DECj) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 10:48:31 -!- Shazbot has quit [Client Quit] 10:54:19 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:33 -!- JoelMt has quit [Quit: I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 10:55:52 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:57:50 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:59:39 -!- master_j has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:04:13 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:07:08 hm, wasn't this supposed to have been fixed? trunk build from this morning, ^O shows "the Shining One" 11:07:29 -!- CedorDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:07:52 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 11:11:09 -!- Shazbotic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:16:51 %git :/tSO 11:16:55 Could not find commit :/tSO (git returned 128) 11:17:03 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:06 It's still on mantis. 11:17:40 %git :/[Cc]apitalize 11:17:41 07dolorous02 * 0.12-a0-813-g75ca3f8: Use new speech code to capitalize the player name in an orc speech line. 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=75ca3f8ab9e1 11:17:57 -!- DejikoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:19:11 -!- ChaseSP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:19:35 -!- CedorDark has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:23:52 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:25 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 11:27:13 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:27:58 -!- riot has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:01 ohai. 11:29:06 Napkin: ChrisOelmueller: f'up: is crawl.develz.org delivering the apache version on purpose? 11:29:06 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:10 tenofswords: git config branch.master.rebase true 11:29:48 this forces a rebase when doing a pull 11:30:17 see docs/develop/git/config.txt 11:30:55 nabalzbhf (L18 CeAM) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 3288: Invalid item: longbow (Vaults:4) 11:31:14 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:34:06 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:02 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:19 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 11:41:04 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:22 -!- monty__ has quit [Quit: monty__] 11:43:04 -!- CedorDark has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:43:31 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:45:13 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:13 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d (34) 11:53:45 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:56:27 -!- Cedor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:56:51 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:11 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:04:15 -!- DracoOmega has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:50 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:38 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:14:16 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:15:40 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:15:52 -!- Unflexed has quit [Changing host] 12:16:03 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:51 -!- monty__ has quit [Quit: monty__] 12:26:36 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 12:27:08 -!- CedorDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:51 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:46 freezing wraiths should be more interesting 12:36:47 being speed 10 would be a decent start 12:36:58 mm 12:37:04 freezing wraith (12W) | Spd: 8 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 1912(cold:8-23) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(42), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 139 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:37:04 %??freezing wraith 12:37:19 i was thinking they could exude freezing clouds 12:37:58 like efreets do with fire i guess it would make them stand out but i imagine it would be annoying with haunt 12:38:09 hm 12:38:16 unknown monster: "Storm demon" 12:38:16 %??Storm demon 12:38:19 -!- CedorDark has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:38:40 -!- alefury has quit [] 12:38:43 i guess they could just have refrig 12:38:51 to sort of match flayed ghosts 12:38:59 Ideally make refrig not shatter pots before that 12:39:05 blizzard demon (122) | Spd: 11 | HD: 12 | HP: 46-84 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 20, 20 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(144), 02cold++, 10elec++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 1289 | Sp: b.lightning (3d18), freezing cloud (2d22), airstrike (0-34), b.cold (3d21) | Sz: Large | Int: high. 12:39:05 %??Blizzard demon 12:39:09 i dont think a mass aoe attack would work either 12:39:18 or they could have a freezing cloud breath :v 12:39:27 i mean it would hurt players, i just dont know if it fits that enemy, since they are summonable 12:39:28 ice crab 12:39:38 which would suck for you but not your minions 12:39:43 because yred is an asshole like that 12:40:31 anyway, i think with speed 10, its ok to have them just be a melee ice enemy. if thats still not enough i'd say they just do too low damage or have too low hd 12:40:45 -!- Egglet has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:40:54 mm 12:41:03 unknown monster: "freezing wrath" 12:41:03 %??freezing wrath hd:10 12:41:04 they just never seem like a threat 12:41:09 freezing wraith (12W) | Spd: 8 | HD: 10 | HP: 37-71 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 1912(cold:10-29) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(53), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 238 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:41:09 %??freezing wraith hd:10 12:41:18 hm 12:41:33 give them passive freeze~ 12:41:45 do any monsters cast the freeze spell? 12:41:48 CAN monsters cast it? 12:42:25 Aren't monster melee brands pretty much the same? 12:42:28 Except they can miss. 12:42:34 i don't think anything casts it 12:42:43 monster melee brands are not the same at all 12:42:44 freeze also ignores ac 12:42:49 and ev 12:43:09 that'd be sort of neat i guess 12:43:11 af_cold ignores ac, but the base attack has to do damage and checks ev. so ac still helps in that sense 12:43:32 freeze on the other hand would be quite different because of the mini-stun (dunno how it would work though) and completely ignoring defenses 12:46:00 i don't even really know how the ministun works when the player casts it 12:46:10 i guess it removes some energy? 12:46:33 dck (L12 HuWn) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 12:46:46 what 12:47:03 was clan not rebuilt? 12:47:06 dck: The new lab changes 12:47:21 oh come on 12:47:23 sigh 12:47:35 That's what you get for entering a lab 12:48:03 ontoclasm1: dunno how its implemented technically, but basically the monster you hit loses some aut, i think around 5 at most 12:48:13 mm 12:48:23 speed 10 hd:10 with a 3-tile freeze cleave on attack 12:48:28 sudden megabuff 12:50:06 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:18 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:12 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:57 dck (L12 HuWn) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 12:52:07 dck (L12 HuWn) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 12:53:03 That was fixed? Anyone rebuilding Lantea? 12:53:05 Deep elf mages can cast freeze in one of their sets 12:53:17 I don't think the ministun works against players, though? 12:53:17 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:52 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:10 deep elf mage (06e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 19-36 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(48) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 213 | Sp: b.magma (3d14), stone arrow (3d12) / flame tongue (3d9), sticky flame range (3d4), fireball (3d14), throw flame (3d6) / freeze, throw icicle (3d14), ice beast / magic dart (3d4), force lance (3d10), battlesphere, mystic blast (3d12) / mystic blast (3d12), b.slow, b.venom (3d11), blink | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 12:54:10 %??deep elf mage 12:54:16 mm 12:54:25 no damage numbers, hah 12:54:41 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 12:54:58 Apparently 1d12 for them 12:55:00 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:55:23 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:59 I find freezing wraiths can be fairly scary in that one ice cave that has a lot of them, unless you get it really late 12:56:05 But pretty much only there 12:56:18 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:21 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:22 Certainly if they were buffed, their numbers would need to be thinned a lot 12:56:30 freezing wraith (12W) | Spd: 8 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 1912(cold:8-23) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(42), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 255 | Sp: freeze | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 12:56:30 %??freezing wraith spells:freeze 12:56:41 helpful 12:56:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:57:08 Wait, I got the number wrong for the mage, I think 12:57:36 Actually 1d15. Would be 1d19 for the wraith, as-is 12:57:51 Could always give the freezing wraiths the same slowing touch as other wraiths as a secondary attack 12:58:24 Which could be pretty scary with their nastier general melee 12:58:24 When targeting a ranged ability, DCSS doesn't let you cycle through which path the lines takes correct? 12:58:32 Only in wizmode 12:58:45 For instance from [0,0] to [1,1] there's 9 unique paths that are valid: http://i.imgur.com/l6eHEmW.jpg 12:59:04 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:05 Freezing wraith new tile looks so scary that they should be buffed :) 12:59:08 -!- CyberSandwich has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:09 i dunno, i kind of like the idea of them using a spell which no other monster really does (deep elf mages dont really count) 12:59:19 Towards the extent of LoS there are several hundred unique paths. 12:59:21 and i wouldnt combine that with a slowing melee, that would be overkill i think 12:59:57 evilmike: Any idea what Freeze shatter chance per pot is? 12:59:59 Well bumping them up to Speed 10 and HD 10 would certainly be a buff. 13:00:23 hd doesnt need to change. speed should 13:00:39 That AND slowing melee would certainly be overkill, yes 13:00:46 The slowing melee alone is definitely the stronger of the two things 13:00:59 Even with some other things reduced a little 13:02:08 The main reason I suggested it is just consistency with that being the 'wraith thing' as it were 13:02:19 Since the other 3 do it 13:03:13 I imagine it would be quite cumbersome if the player had to manually cycle each path in a list of a couple hundred to find the perfect line for use with the Shock spell (for multi-zap). 13:03:28 Yes, that sounds fairly awful 13:03:30 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:41 You mean we don't now? 13:04:01 I'm fine with it always using a specific path for each angle. It's quick and consistant and a lot less fiddly to use. 13:04:13 Even if sometimes this means that you can see a viable shot that the game won't let you take. 13:04:58 The thing that bothers me the most about Shock/Lightning is that their accuracy is absolutely terrible. 13:06:50 I haven't examined the code, but I think what DCSS does is have sorted list of lines to attempt; if the first fails, it trys the next, then the next, then the next. It's guaranteed to work, since the permissive field of view algorithm states that it will eventually find a line. 13:06:51 However, the order of the sorted list is fixed; not changeable by the user. :| 13:07:01 Which likely won't return the most favorable results for some spells. 13:09:16 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d (34) 13:09:16 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:22 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:51 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:52 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:35 Their accuracy is only relatively bad at very very low power 13:13:02 as in, when you just start being able to use it at all with the help of wiz 13:13:14 and even then lbl is still good 13:13:31 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:15:44 For example, if "end" is a hill giant. There's a path from [0,0] to [1,1] that your lightning bolt can travel that will hit the hill giant, and ALSO the two Orcs: http://i.imgur.com/QAQuj9x.jpg 13:15:44 [2,2]* lol, sorry 13:15:52 But the only way DCSS goes this path is if [1,1] and [1,0] are obstructed. 13:17:30 wojtek (L13 KoAs) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 13:18:22 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:22 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:15 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:19:28 -!- Unflexed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:22:45 %git :/flee 13:22:46 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-2001-g390038d: Unbreak monster retreating (which is not fleeing (which is not the retreat command)) 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=390038d8c0ec 13:22:56 %git :/minot 13:22:57 07tenofswords02 * 0.14-a0-1981-gff1b71f: Lab revision: "add" threat/loot minivaults, wake up minotaur 10(23 hours ago, 1 file, 324+ 336-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff1b71fbce89 13:23:38 %git :/lab 13:23:39 07tenofswords02 * 0.14-a0-1988-g7b11203: (actually) Fix compilation 10(18 hours ago, 1 file, 13+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7b112039bec4 13:24:43 [18 15:31] tenofswords * 0.14-a0-1989-g142ad28: (actually, Actually) Fix Labyrinth stuff (21 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=142ad28fbd78 13:26:26 %git g142ad28 13:26:26 Could not find commit g142ad28 (git returned 128) 13:27:02 hm 13:27:10 %git 142ad28 13:27:10 07tenofswords02 * 0.14-a0-1989-g142ad28: (actually, Actually) Fix Labyrinth stuff 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=142ad28fbd78 13:29:20 -!- Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:07 -!- lukano has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:51 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:52 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:39:23 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:24 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:22 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:22 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:24 should dith like it when you "kill" dancing weapons with brands he doesn't like? 13:44:03 does dith like it when you kill monsters he doesn't like? 13:44:48 Dith appreciates your removing a source of fire. 13:45:00 Dith appreciates your extinguishing a source of illumination. 13:45:10 a dancing flaming weapon 13:45:11 hmm, well, as long as you don't *wield* it 13:45:11 is both! 13:45:39 For fire spells/fire creatures and halo creatures respectively 13:45:49 or halo/corona users maybe, not sure 13:46:39 does dith auto-ID such weapons for you? 13:47:06 incidentally, you'd think killing an enemy holding a weapon would do a sort of "lame duck" unwield ... 13:47:25 yes, riot 13:47:41 riot? 13:48:00 18:29 < riot> Napkin: ChrisOelmueller: f'up: is crawl.develz.org delivering the apache version on purpose? 13:49:06 anyway, I mean, shouldn't monster death trigger any unwield message, which would ID the weapon brand? 13:49:31 hrm 13:49:38 " You and your allies are rebuked by divine will. 13:49:38 Your shadow looks weaker. 13:49:39 You feel yourself grow feeble." 13:49:43 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:45 (I have no allies aside from the shadow) 13:50:13 but, I guess "killing" dancing weapons should just do whatever happens when you kill any *other* monster wielding the same weapon 13:51:29 but there's a difference between killing something using a flaming weapon and killing something that is a flaming weapon 13:51:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:52:13 except in the latter case you are just "killing" it 13:52:26 it is still a flaming weapon, it just isn't alive anymore 13:52:45 hrm, killed another apis 13:52:52 but this time it only said I looked weaker, not my shadow 13:53:11 I hope my shadow isn't enfeebled permanently or something 13:53:11 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:54:25 I think the shadow is created anew each time it does something? 13:54:25 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:38 But I'm not that familiar with the associated code 13:55:08 the first apis I killed, my shadow landed the killing blow 13:55:12 that could matter 13:55:14 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 13:55:31 the second time, my shadow didn't attack at all that turn 13:55:35 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:36 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:53 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:22 %version 13:56:23 trunk: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d; 0.13: 0.13.1-25-g341c717; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 13:56:30 $version 13:56:32 trunk: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d; 0.13: 0.13.1-25-g341c717; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.4 13:56:36 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:40 ??bots 13:56:42 bots[1/2]: Bots that can be pm'd: announcement bots: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Sizzell (CSZO, %), Lantell (CLAN, $), Ruffell (RHF, #), Rotatell (CBRO, ^); others: Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! ?? and others) 13:56:46 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:55 that's old 13:57:06 what is 13:57:12 that entry 13:57:14 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:57:18 Flex: how so 13:57:24 sequell handles the learndb now, and can be PM'd 13:57:26 Would it be a good or bad idea to create a GDD sticky listing implemented GDD ideas? 13:57:45 Flex: that's why Sequell has ?? listed 13:57:52 on one hand, I think it would be instructive/encouraging to show decent ideas 13:57:57 ah, the PM thing 13:58:00 on the other, I don't think it will discourage shitposting 13:58:08 Napkin: oh, okay. i usually set it to prod, so it stays quiet. gotta research wether that actually makes any difference. 13:58:09 hmm, maybe they're all supposedly PM-able? 13:58:40 ??gdd 13:58:40 badforum[1/1]: http://cowmuffins.net/badforum.txt Now with Windows line endings! Add new entries below. 13:58:45 what is gdd 13:58:52 bh: Shitposting exists and will always exist. 13:58:53 it doesn't matter much, riot 13:59:10 Having solid examples of "good things" is a good thing however. 13:59:16 as long as you keep installing security updates in time 13:59:49 e - a rod of the swarm 13:59:51 _Your rod of the swarm has recharged. 13:59:54 yup, sure. i could imagine fewer version-unspecific scriptkiddy-pokes, with a version number. 13:59:55 this is the first tim ive picked this item up 14:00:04 it seems like a bug that i could know it just finish recharging 14:00:25 (monster was using it) 14:00:39 Well, the charges of it is not an unknown quantity if you have it 14:00:52 actually they still are 14:01:02 Q - a +5 rod of fiery destruction (9/9) (13 aum) 14:01:04 e - a rod of the swarm (13 aum) 14:01:26 Well, you could just wield it (let's assume it makes a soft hum when it recharges? :P) 14:01:44 well it might be cursed :P 14:01:48 the LED indicators give it away 14:02:18 (we'll assume all manufacturers use the same indicator scheme for some unknown reason) 14:03:26 hrm.. here's a slightly better example. I'm casting `lightning bolt` from [0,0] to [2,2]. It's allowed to travel [0,0]->[0,1]->[1,1]->[1,2]->[2,2] and hit *4* rats. But it doesn't, it travels [0,0]->[1,1]->[2,2]. 14:03:40 http://i.imgur.com/COf53rQ.jpg 14:04:39 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:11 !lg * ktyp=starvation place=lab 14:05:12 61. RocketPapaya the Severer (L16 MiGl), worshipper of Okawaru, starved to death in a Labyrinth on 2014-01-13 00:53:57, with 124013 points after 24718 turns and 3:14:46. 14:05:31 seems like there should be more than 61. did I search poorly? 14:06:25 !lg * place=lab 14:06:25 2528. Flure the Basher (L9 OgWz), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by a minotaur (wand of frost) in a Labyrinth on 2014-01-18 15:14:18, with 2658 points after 7042 turns and 1:15:38. 14:06:33 !lg * place=lab ckiller=minotaur 14:06:34 2081. Flure the Basher (L9 OgWz), worshipper of Okawaru, blasted by a minotaur (wand of frost) in a Labyrinth on 2014-01-18 15:14:18, with 2658 points after 7042 turns and 1:15:38. 14:06:39 !lg * place=lab ckiller=donald 14:06:40 53. WimpyRanger the Sculptor of Flesh (L10 CeDK), worshipper of Yredelemnul, mangled by Donald (a +0,+5 long sword of flaming) in a Labyrinth on 2013-12-20 16:38:55, with 6343 points after 10575 turns and 0:50:37. 14:07:20 people who fear the hunger cost avoid labs, I think. (my usual problem with them has been boredom...) 14:07:38 it's hard to starve in labs if you know how to solve labs 14:08:45 Anyone know off-hand if any spells that pass through creatures do less damage each time they pass through a monster? 14:08:58 They do not 14:08:59 If a spell hinted "I go through monsters" would it not always be beneficial to try and hit the most monsters with it? 14:09:04 Things other than lightning lose range, though 14:09:30 I agree bh. just figured a lot more people would have gotten lost in there and gave up 14:09:37 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:37 just means lab needs to be harder ;p 14:11:27 !lg * place=lab s=ckiller 14:11:28 2528 games for * (place=lab): 2081x a minotaur, 94x quitting, 71x a minotaur zombie, 61x starvation, 53x Donald, 35x a player ghost, 24x trap, 14x a trapdoor spider, 8x you, 6x wild magic, 6x targeting, 6x an Executioner, 4x a dragon, 4x stupidity, 3x a sun demon, 3x a storm dragon, 2x a ynoxinul, 2x a black mamba, 2x a hydra, 2x a vapour, 2x self aimed, 2x a reaper, 2x an ice dragon, 2x cloud, 2x... 14:11:42 quitting. 14:12:00 !lg * place=lab ckiller=storm_dragon 14:12:00 3. Flun the Geomancer (L11 DrEE), worshipper of Sif Muna, blasted by a storm dragon (bolt of lightning) in a Labyrinth on 2011-08-31 15:43:05, with 10274 points after 21713 turns and 3:36:17. 14:12:06 o_0 14:12:10 !lg * place=lab ckiller=storm_dragon -tv 14:12:10 3. Flun, XL11 DrEE, T:21713 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 14:12:12 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:25 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:47 also regarding shadows, sometimes for a very very very short fraction of a second I think it can show up in the monster list 14:12:48 he's going to polymorph the mino, isn't he? 14:13:08 yea. that's what I was thinking 14:14:00 and there we go 14:16:35 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:17:08 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:28 hehe, 4x stupidity 14:17:28 that seems undercounted 14:17:29 So, hypothetically speaking, if you were casting a spell that traveled through monsters, wouldn't it be beneficial for the game to present you not just the "shortest" path, but then a few alternative paths if those paths varied the number of monsters affected? 14:17:30 Since those other paths are 100% as valid as the shortest path. 14:17:31 xFleury: kilobyte has threatened to reform the targeting selection from time to time, but it's not the simplest problem 14:17:31 Part of the problem is that how much you want to "multi-hit" depends on the spell 14:17:34 It's most certainly not the simplest problem; I totally agree. 14:17:37 e.g. projectile spells such as icicle are way different than lbolt 14:17:42 For icicle you're prioritizing targets, for lbolt you're trying for an AOE effect (and possibly double-zapping) 14:17:43 "AOE effect" -- department of redundancy depts. 14:17:44 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:02 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:18:10 -!- meat has quit [Changing host] 14:18:27 I think fball might get reformed relatively easilly so that it adjustes the default targetting to multi-hit where possible 14:18:40 So, hypothetically speaking, if you were casting a spell that traveled through monsters, wouldn't it be beneficial for the game to present you not just the "shortest" path, but then a few alternative paths if those paths varied the number of monsters affected? 14:18:49 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:19:03 there are also cases where there /is/ an unobstructed path to a monster but the game gives you an obstructed path anyway 14:19:27 gamma: sounds easy enough. assign a value to each monster and then just pick the square that maximizes the total value 14:19:27 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:44 -!- darkschneider has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:19:51 -!- Escalator has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:00 bh: kilobyte has said something similar, but then we get to argue about that monster value function 14:20:00 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:20:14 gamma: put it in lua? 14:20:33 yeah, a few different behaviours configurable by lua perhaps 14:20:58 let people write their own value function of course 14:20:58 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:21 Flex: In that specific case, the game should give you the path (if it exists) without obstructions (and without alternative path options), since if you wanted to hit the obstruction, you could make it the destination. 14:21:32 yeah 14:21:35 isn't this completely separate from changing how default targeting works 14:22:13 also play wizmode, you can change beam paths there and extrapolate just how awful it would be if it were a part of the regular interface 14:22:55 Allowing the player to cycle through the (roughly 700) paths from [0,0] to [4,7] is clearly not something sensible. 14:23:12 But "hints" in spells as to what the user likely wants to do, I think, could work. 14:24:06 Yeah, I think trying to get the default target right when possible is the better problem to solve, but it seems to come down to having more than "closes unobstructed monster" 14:25:35 also you are assuming some wrong things about the number of paths which are allowed 14:25:38 xFleury: Hints as in special tiling for target squares the player should consider? 14:26:16 For example, in this case: http://i.imgur.com/COf53rQ.jpg I think the default path should be [0,0]->[0,1]->[1,1]->[1,2]->[2,2]. 14:26:30 for the specific spell I'm using 14:26:31 which is lightning bolt 14:26:39 I kill 4 rats rather than 2 14:27:27 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:31:59 -!- meat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:32:28 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:38 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:32:45 xFleury: That's just not how rays work in crawl. You're arguing for a different ray mechanic 14:32:45 like i said you can use ctrl+c in wizmode to cycle through valid paths to a spot 14:32:45 and uh 14:32:45 that is not one of them, yes 14:32:58 "Ctrl-C forc ea crash" o.O 14:33:00 He means while in the targeting interface 14:33:00 not under & 14:33:01 ok, I hit "x", went to [2,2] then hit ctrl-c 14:33:01 I think you need to be in the *targeter* so fire up a bolt spell 14:33:01 -!- Egglet has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:33:04 ctrl-c while in "x" is gving me a targeter, but it's not showing alternative paths; i don't know how to cycle 14:33:11 oh wait, nevermind, there's just only 1 path for [0,0] to [2,2] 14:33:22 and that's a bug 14:34:15 opoek (L9 GrFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 14:35:16 -!- jacobian has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:36:26 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:07 -!- Egglet|2 is now known as Egglet 14:38:26 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:26 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:47 if you stand next to wall, you can get to [2,2] from [0,0] without going through [1,1] 14:38:47 so obviously that ctrl-c is being misleading 14:39:19 Is this beam path targetting just showing what path would be taken if features were obstructing at various points? 14:39:19 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:39:24 If you needed a RAY from [0,0] to [2,2] you could take any one of these paths, presuming it was not obstructed by a wall, or 2 levels of fog, or what not. This is an exhaustive list from [0,0] to [2,2]. 14:39:37 So you *have* to take at least one of these paths. 14:40:11 If the path leads you into a wall, you abort it, and try a different path. 14:40:45 Right, but you're saying you can get to [2,2] from [0,0] without taking [1,1] 14:40:49 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:08 oh did I, oops >.< 14:41:09 one sec 14:41:09 -!- master_j has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:41:26 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:39 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:42:57 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:57 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:02 ok, what I meant to say was, I can get to [1,2] without taking [1,1], the "ctrl-c" thing forces me to take [1,1] which is not right, and can be demonstrated by walking next to a wall 14:43:28 I'll do a quick picture, since I can't be trusted with coordinate numbers, lol 14:43:28 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:55 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:08 I should have learned by now that everything never fails to take 4 times as long as you expect it should 14:51:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:51:25 xFleury: ctrl-c shows me two paths in that case 14:51:29 one of which doesn't take [1,1], it takes [0,1] 14:51:33 yah, same... I've completely forgotten what I was arguing; that's the last time I take a break to eat breakfast while in the middle of a discussion.. but I think I've figured it out now 14:51:33 go to [2,2], and keep hitting ctrl-c 14:51:33 there is only one path 14:51:33 yes 14:51:35 as there should be... 14:52:14 los.cc disagrees 14:52:15 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:52:15 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 14:52:23 If you make a ray in a cardinal dir or along the diagonal, there's only one ray path 14:52:26 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:36 Well, if you choose a target on a cardinal or diagonal path, there's only one ray, I should say 14:52:48 Not sure what you mean by los.cc specifically 14:53:22 Some raycasting algorithms project from each CORNER of a cell to other corners, but that's somewhat different than a path from the CENTER of a cell to the center of others 14:53:27 -!- nxtlvl has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:53:38 Which is relevant if you're firing at something 14:54:04 The catch is that algorithm allows for "any line" to connect two cells; so the source of the line can be in sub-location of the source square. 14:56:41 -!- nxtlvl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:00:46 random question 15:00:46 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:01:00 should HEBe still be a "hard" combo, now that it can start with Long Blades 15:01:26 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:02 Probably not, though it would hardly be the first questionable grey combo 15:02:19 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:02:56 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:49 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:33 I guess, to re-iterate, why does wizmode not show this bold-line-ray (intersecting [0,0]->[0,1]->[1,1]->[1,2]->[2,2]) I drew as a valid ray? los.cc seems to explicitly allow it: http://i.imgur.com/QmvkF4k.jpg 15:07:43 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:10:26 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:37 nabalzbhf (L21 CeAM) ERROR in 'tags.cc' at line 3288: Invalid item: longbow (Abyss:2) 15:19:10 -!- ystael has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- tsohg_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- bmfx has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- Escalator has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- gammafunk has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- xFleury has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- tksquared_ has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- TehIce has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- TARBALLPYTHON has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- tenofswords has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- eith has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:10 -!- sk has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- buki has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- ground4 has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- robbje has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- Fortescue has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- Rotatell has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- blackflare has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- CampinSam` has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- MarvinPA has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- Zaba has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- Kintak has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- ivan`` has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- djinni has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- RZX has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:11 -!- floatboth has quit [*.net *.split] 15:19:20 -!- Escalator_ is now known as Escalator 15:20:40 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:40 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:40 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:40 -!- TARBALLPYTHON has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:40 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:40 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:40 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:40 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:40 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:40 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:40 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:40 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:17 -!- ivan`` has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 15:22:11 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:16 -!- ivan`` has quit [Changing host] 15:22:16 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:44 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:23:06 I thought most IRC clients these days collapsed/hid netsplit spam; guess not. o.O 15:23:30 some do, some can but don't by default, some can't 15:25:32 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:32 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:26:01 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:26:36 -!- Undo has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:28 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:29 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:30:59 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:59 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:31:11 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:34:29 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:51 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:42:00 !tell kilobyte Do you know why "xFleury's Superray" (which travels [0,0]->[0,1]->[1,1]->[1,2]->[2,2] ) in this diagram http://i.imgur.com/QmvkF4k.jpg is not considered a valid ray between [0,0] and [2,2] by wizmode's Ctrl-C? It seems 45deg angles get special treatment, I don't really understand why. 15:42:00 xFleury: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 15:42:56 -!- xFleury has left ##crawl-dev 15:45:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:47:04 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 15:54:31 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:56:11 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:50 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:24 -!- geekosaur has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:11:17 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:23 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:17:31 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:31 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:32 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:32 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:10 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:13 -!- Matejii has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:21:14 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:22:06 abathologist (L10 SpAs) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 16:26:39 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:28 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:27:49 Tabbe (L13 MiFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 16:28:46 * SamB wonders what's going wrong here? 16:30:25 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:30:48 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 16:34:06 -!- monty__ has quit [Client Quit] 16:34:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 16:35:28 -!- xFleury has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:48 -!- morik has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:43 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:46 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48:38 -!- Unflexed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:52:18 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 16:53:03 SamB: Somehow related to tenofswords recent lab changes? 16:53:12 dunno 16:53:55 also supposedly fixed and all servers updated, so why are people still hitting it 16:54:23 Might not have upgraded? 16:54:29 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:54:38 !lm * crash -log 16:54:39 6034. Tabbe, XL13 MiFi, T:14189 (milestone): http://rl.heh.fi/morgue/Tabbe/crash-Tabbe-20140118-222748.txt 16:55:32 %version 16:55:33 trunk: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d; 0.13: 0.13.1-25-g341c717; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 16:55:45 Yeah, that's not up to date 16:55:55 Their game wasn't, I mean 16:56:08 %git 16:56:24 07tenofswords02 * 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d: Merge branch 'master' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl 10(7 hours ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a4604d11724 16:56:52 %git 4a4604d1 16:56:52 07tenofswords02 * 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d: Merge branch 'master' of gitorious.org:crawl/crawl 10(7 hours ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4a4604d11724 16:57:46 I guess we didn't explain how confusing it can be to have merges between masters? 16:58:42 I'm guessing it was the check that was wrong here, because the screenshot looks fine 16:58:55 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:59:10 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 16:59:38 long list of things I am quickly learning are very bad 16:59:38 tenofswords: You have 4 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:59:55 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:01:24 (yes I've changed my config) 17:01:29 However my msysgit came configured, it wouldn't let me to that from the start 17:01:44 Or I certainly would have :P 17:02:10 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:02:42 I personally haven't changed my config, but if I notice that "git pull" did a merge I back it out 17:02:44 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:03 and I tend to invoke with "--ff-only" so that won't happen 17:03:27 -!- simmarine has quit [Client Quit] 17:03:34 the worst part is that these merges are in the wrong direction :-( 17:05:04 SamB: I'm just reading about rebase = true in the git config; in a 'production' setting like DCSS, when would we ever want to have merge commits? 17:05:52 okay, possibly you wouldn't, but I guess I just wish git would allow "ff-only = true" to be overridden 17:08:24 hey I do that so my local install has +27 EV-5 shield of the gong 17:09:59 -!- Undo has quit [] 17:11:47 Cannot enter labyrinth by Sandman25 17:12:55 this thing is going to curse me for a while, sheesh 17:13:13 is there anything specific I can do or what 17:15:05 i guess all the servers already updated, should be fine once the local builds update too 17:15:53 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:20 tenofswords: don't worry too much about it, we've been running into LOTS of dbg-scan.cc asserts lately ... 17:17:34 * SamB sort of started that anyway 17:18:36 I am kind of amused that a commit to try and improve labs is going to scare people even further away from labs for a bit 17:20:27 tenofswords: Lucky committing rabbit's foot 17:20:39 Basil: Minotaur's foot? 17:20:44 or hoove rather 17:21:39 tenofswordscertainly has the commit minotaur... 17:22:12 I should clearly change things in a concious effort to herd people elsewhere 17:26:30 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 17:27:04 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:20 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:28:14 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:30:30 just make all labyrinths mimics for 2 days 17:30:57 | +* The webtitles spectator box sorts names and links online player profiles. 17:30:58 but that'd mean people like you face floor mimics randomly 17:31:10 randomly, once per game, but 17:31:40 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:37:09 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:42:23 SamB: Yes, that's good, no? 17:42:34 webtitles ? 17:42:52 Oh, this is the changelog? 17:42:57 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:28 In which case < |amethyst > doh 17:45:04 Stumblebum (L13 DEFE) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 17:50:07 Grunt: in fab70a36f "webtitles" 17:51:38 !learn add trivia Merfolk cannot be mesmerized by mermaids and sirens, though are still vulnerable to Jory 17:51:38 trivia[28/28]: Merfolk cannot be mesmerized by mermaids and sirens, though are still vulnerable to Jory 17:51:39 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:51:42 oh dear 17:51:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:51:53 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:52:18 ??trivia[2] 17:52:18 blink frog[2/2]: Distortion weapons don't do the normal effects against blink frogs. Instead they have a 20% chance to heal them and have no effect otherwise. Bend space also heals them instead of blinking and damaging them. 17:52:26 I could swear it's had other effects on blink frogs but I could be wrong 17:53:55 tenofswords: We had the perfect number of entries before that! Alas. 17:54:16 !learn del trivia[8] 17:54:16 Deleted trivia[8/28]: if you spawn a whole bunch of tentacle segments (without the tentacle), killing one kills them all, but individual eldritch tentacle segments survive regardless of the status of other eldritch tentacle segments 17:54:20 three you go 17:54:23 there* 17:54:51 I was thinking about moving some entry to their topic's entry but that also works 17:55:09 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:44 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:03 -!- captflint has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:08:08 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 18:12:08 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 18:12:08 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:15 -!- Ruffell has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:13:18 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:25 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:15:04 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 18:15:27 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:20:33 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:22:42 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:42 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 18:24:15 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:29:50 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:50 -!- CyberSandwich has quit [Quit: CyberSandwich] 18:47:38 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 18:48:54 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:10 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:16 -!- bschlief has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:39 -!- Daagar has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:53:23 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:55:51 -!- jday_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:59 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:56:59 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:59:27 -!- iasov has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:04:53 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:47 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:06:39 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:12 -!- BrocoLee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:14:40 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:45 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:59 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:47 -!- Hailey has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:19:23 -!- Chase has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:20:53 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:21:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:53 -!- tensorpuddin has quit [Client Quit] 19:29:10 -!- syllogism has quit [] 19:38:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 19:39:12 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:52 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:40:07 -!- rast2 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:41:19 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:41:20 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:41:47 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:41:49 -!- rast2 is now known as rast 19:42:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:42:48 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 19:44:08 summons are still overly strong; I think for that alone they may not make it to 0.15 unless the school is greatly reformed 19:44:37 sorry, wrong window, new to irssi 19:45:06 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:08 right window imo 19:47:40 -!- Hypereia has quit [] 19:49:37 -!- TehIce has quit [] 19:50:18 -!- unpossible has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:52:53 ^version 19:52:53 trunk: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d; 0.13: 0.13.1-25-g341c717 19:52:57 %version 19:52:57 trunk: 0.14-a0-2017-g4a4604d; 0.13: 0.13.1-25-g341c717; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 20:01:49 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:01:54 -!- Ruffell has joined ##crawl-dev 20:03:35 | | +metal_wall_red0 DNGN_METAL_WALL_BLUE 20:03:38 wut 20:03:54 oh, hmm, the "|" are from --graph 20:05:02 -!- joosa has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:01 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:09:16 -!- Chris_Oelmueller has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:04 Heh, interesting. There's exactly 112 *unique* paths PFoV can take to determine if [4,7] is visible from [0,0]. 20:11:02 PFoV? 20:11:08 how about polyogwn 20:11:09 Permissive Field of View algorithm. 20:11:15 oops again, grrr 20:12:01 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 20:12:18 "phantasmagoria flower-" 20:13:05 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:13:42 sound like what grows from shuggoth seeds 20:19:01 -!- Quashie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:20:47 DracoOmega: i had a bear just go berserk and run away from me 20:21:09 While berserk? 20:21:14 yes 20:21:28 i don't think it actually fleed before going berserk 20:21:28 Haha 20:21:31 That sounds unintended 20:21:44 i fireballed it and it zoomed away at berserk speed 20:21:48 Bahaha 20:22:00 i dunno how recent cszo is, it might have already been fixed 20:22:05 I doubt it 20:22:11 I'll have a look into it later 20:26:33 black bear (02U) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 19-36 | AC/EV: 2/8 | Dam: 9, 5, 5 | !sil | Res: 06magic(24) | XP: 128 | Sp: 04esc:berserker rage | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 20:26:33 %??black bear 20:26:46 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:46 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 20:26:46 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:41 i think it was a grizzly 20:28:53 Well, that bit shouldn't matter 20:29:07 yeah 20:29:42 Okay, it looks like they don't necessarily run off when they berserk, but berserking doesn't actually STOP them from fleeing anymore 20:29:46 And it's obviously supposed to 20:32:00 clearly bears misunderstand how esc:berserk works 20:34:56 ??zerkwaltz 20:34:56 zerkwaltz[1/1]: Inspired by the zotwaltz and telezerk, the latest in Orb retrieval strategies. Demonstration: !lm nht orb MiBe 1 -tv 20:35:08 they are masters 20:37:15 ??zotwaltz 20:37:15 zotwaltz[1/4]: The only strategy more likely to get you killed than killdudes. 20:38:07 it's ninjaing without stealth afaict 20:39:14 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:12 ??killdudes 20:40:12 killdudes[1/3]: killdudes is the zot strategy where you kill dudes 20:40:20 Sounds like a job for shadowform. 20:40:30 ??killdudes[2 20:40:30 killdudes[2/3]: you kill all the dudes and leave a mighty hero 20:41:04 why do darts still exist 20:41:04 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41:52 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 20:42:30 -!- Bloax has quit [Client Quit] 20:42:37 -!- N78291 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:42:40 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 20:43:15 the new fleeing seems to stop escape spells from being useful, since you can just hit them to stop the fleeing 20:45:31 hm? I think enough monsters have escape spells like healing or teleport that hitting them isn't going to affect... 20:46:30 hm, I thought things like kraken would use the escape spell while fleeing, is that wrong? 20:47:04 Kraken and bears are the only things that naturally flee now anyway 20:47:19 And hitting them shouldn't stop fleeing if they're injured 20:47:28 If it does, it's another mistake 20:47:57 The code was rather convoluted, so I fully expect a few mistakes to crop up 20:48:23 I was fighting a kraken and it shook off its fear (or something like that) when I was hitting it 20:48:31 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all!] 20:48:35 maybe because it didn't know where to flee since I was invisible? 20:48:45 That much doesn't matter 20:49:00 I might have accidentally removed the check that keeps that from happening 20:49:47 I will look into it 20:55:37 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 20:57:25 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:59:03 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:05:17 -!- Escalator has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:09:50 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:11:24 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:11:24 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 21:11:25 why do krakens flee in the first place 21:12:09 they don't even breathe fire 21:14:54 they shoot ink 21:15:01 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:02 this is so they can actually obscure their escape 21:19:23 maybe ink as a normal spell and krakens being able to see through their ink would be more interesting 21:21:18 xFleury: that whole logic is wrong -- you're forgetting that only shortest paths are valid 21:21:30 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:21:37 xFleury: and thus, for cardinal and diagonal directions, there indeed can exist only one path 21:22:34 Shortest non-obstructed paths, right? 21:23:14 shortest paths, the check for obstruction comes later 21:23:36 Crawl's algorithm allows a smaller set than that, too 21:26:04 Grunt: there's no warning that that stack of darts you've autopickupped is flaming; you notice that only when your Dith piety falls to 0 21:26:47 (unless you carefully read every message, which goes against the whole point of tabbing) 21:27:18 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:31 Isn't that similar to TSO and poison ammo? 21:27:59 Oh, I suppose you get outright penance there, don't you? 21:28:03 Though I know I've seen at least one person who had been using it regularly and was wondering why his penance wasn't recovering 21:28:06 It's not possible for say, two shortest paths to both be obstructed? What would happen if they were? 21:28:32 He was farming Abyss for piety while using venom bolts to kill things 21:28:38 It was interestingly counterproductive 21:29:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:29:59 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:30:36 i bet reflecting a poison arrow still gives you tso penance 21:30:38 surely there should be force_mores for ticking off gods 21:30:56 TARBALLPYTHON: it isn't SUPPOSED to 21:31:00 %git 9232e2cf62fe4 21:31:00 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-432-g9232e2c: Don't impose TSO penance for reflecting poison/draining (you still get xp). 10(3 months ago, 10 files, 23+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9232e2cf62fe 21:31:04 ideally you wouldn't even autopickup flaming ammunition under dith 21:31:16 hm, I have this thought that ignoring messages you get what you deserve (after all, ticking off gods is in many ways getting off easy; ignoring messages is a good way to end up dead) 21:31:16 so what do I win from this bet 21:31:16 mm 21:31:32 Autopickup should exclude things your god hates, then? 21:31:54 tenofswords: well, you're SUPPOSED to be prompted for that stuff so you can't do it accidentally in the first place... 21:32:04 tenofswords: THat reminds me, I need to bug somebody about my prompt-on-penance-attack thing 21:32:26 fair enough, both times 21:32:44 Basil: but what if you want to pick up poison ammo on a TSO character so that you can use ignite poison on it 21:33:14 Oh well. 21:33:28 Make an option for it 21:33:30 poison ammo is sort of usable under TSO anyway I think? as long as you don't poison with it 21:33:34 a super secret hidden option 21:33:52 well yes, that too 21:34:51 kilobyte: I've noticed this with bolts as well. 21:34:58 (and other projectiles) 21:34:58 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:05 of course this logic doesn't work for flaming ammo under dunkmenthols, unless you add an "ignite fire" spell 21:35:17 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:35 not that you could cast ignite fire 21:35:50 The fire roars with new energy! 21:35:55 "poison fire" 21:36:05 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:13 You light the fire on fire! The fire burns! 21:36:38 * SamB lol 21:36:43 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:37:36 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:13 nice, there's code for thrown elven weapons 21:40:32 -!- bschlief has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:48 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 21:41:26 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:09 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 21:43:51 -!- Notid has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:45:24 -!- DayBay has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:49 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:48:47 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 21:57:20 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:57 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:04:56 -!- NomadJim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:28 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:08:43 * xFleury can't find a definition for "cardinal line". 22:10:05 xFleury: a north-south or east-west one 22:11:29 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2018-g7bb5492: Untrap a vault. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bb5492b89e1 22:11:29 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-2019-gd9bc7f0: Don't show "Umbra" on the HUD. 10(73 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9bc7f0b76f1 22:11:42 when will vine stalkers be added? 22:12:49 I don't get the rationale for restricting it to the shortest line; that's now how PFoV is defined; PFoV explicitly states "any" line, regardless of whether it's shortest or not. If that's what Crawl is doing, it's using its own variant of the algorithm; and I don't get why. 22:13:11 xFleury: a non-shortest "line" is not a line 22:13:21 By Crawl's terms 22:13:35 Besides, FoV algorithms are only somewhat related to line of fire for creatures 22:13:54 A creature is not occupying all corners of its cell at once 22:13:55 We're not talking about between two points. 22:14:03 We're talking about between two squares or cells. 22:14:56 And PFoV doesn't necessarily work off corners of cells/squares, an infinitely thin line just needs to be able to intersect two cells/squares without being obstructed. 22:15:13 That could be *any* location inside those squares. 22:16:05 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:18:14 which one is "shortest"? 22:18:31 also what is the "it" that is restricted here 22:18:36 xFleury: by your logic, [1,1] doesn't obscure [2,2] from [0,0], which it does in Crawl and any sane FoV scheme I can think of 22:19:01 The edges of [1,1] don't count as intersecting. 22:19:06 So it does obstruct. 22:19:26 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 22:19:33 Or, better put, the edges of [2,2] don't count as interescting, so it's not visible. 22:19:35 so, cells are open regions then? 22:19:58 or, wait, I guess it doesn't matter 22:20:20 or, well, yes it does because otherwise you can't see along diagonals ... 22:20:33 In the diagram I linked, [1,1] obstructs [2,2]. 22:20:54 particularly because, [2,2] can't be seen from a diagonal line from the edges of [0,0] 22:24:33 To put it in another way, you can't make a line that *intersects* the interior of [2,2] from [0,0] if [1,1] is obstructed. 22:24:49 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:25:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:50 This is old news though; Crawl does an excellent job of implementing the PFoV algorithm. It is its beam/bolt targetting thing I don't get. 22:26:56 -!- araganzar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:27:27 not that anyone else does either 22:27:47 I fail to see why it's confusing that a straight diagonal path would follow the straight diagonal 22:27:54 Instead of some zig-zagging thing along adjacent cells 22:28:09 I'd find THAT a lot more confusing. It doesn't even look like a straight line to your target at all at that point 22:30:05 Because while sitting on a tile, you're actually strafing every corner of that tile, that's how "peaking works". You're not fixed at the center of the square. 22:30:29 Hence, when you shoot diagonally, you have a choice of where in that square you're "peaking" from during the shot. 22:32:18 If you target the cell [1,5] from [0,0] our targeting allows a ray to form even with various walls on [1,2], [1,3], ... 22:32:39 But if you target [5,5] from [0,0] you get no such alternate rays 22:32:48 I think that's what xFleury is getting at 22:32:48 Yah, as kilobyte told me, Crawl seems to restrict the choices to the "shortest path". 22:32:55 So you only get a CHOICE if there a TIE for shortest path 22:33:07 For diagonal lines, there is a unique shortest 22:33:15 so we're penalizing cardinal and diagonal targets 22:33:17 diagonal&cardinal 22:33:20 yah 22:33:25 That doesn't seem like 'penalizing' to me 22:33:36 <|amethyst> we're not, geometry is :/ 22:33:51 It seems really weird to me that a straight aim to the NW should meander through various adjacent cells 22:33:59 * gammafunk shakes his fist at geometry! 22:34:01 And I am honestly confused why you think it ought to 22:34:38 TBH, I think I asked just to figure out the "why" DCSS does it this way 22:35:03 not necessarily to try and push for it to get added, though it may have sounded that way, lol 22:35:11 is it even possible for a ray to go through all of [0,0], [0,1], [1,1]? I can't see how it would be. 22:35:14 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:35:25 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 22:35:29 (within Crawl's diamond model) 22:35:41 Yes, you can load up a Crawl game and stand next to a wall at [1,0] 22:35:51 and see the ray go [0.0][0.1][1,1] 22:36:36 xFleury: ? 22:36:51 it always goes through [0,0][1,1] for me 22:37:26 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:45 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:38:41 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:08 for a ray to go through [0,1] and [1,1], it must have an inclination smaller than 45°, to go through [0,0] and [0,1] it must have an inclination greater than 45⁰ 22:39:46 no matter which point inside the [0,0] diamond you start from 22:40:31 oh oops, sorry, lol, yah in Crawl it cannot, since the shortest path is [0,0][1,1] and if that's obstructed, no other path is feasible. 22:40:45 however, [0,0][0,1][1,1] per the algorithm is valid 22:40:50 it just won't ever get chose, *in crawl* 22:41:11 the "shortest path" rule is only result, not an assumption 22:41:20 s/result/a result/ 22:42:00 A ray doesn't have to start at the center of a source square. 22:42:06 It can start anywhere in that square. 22:43:08 or, hrm, maybe you know that but I'm misinterpreting 22:43:22 not anywhere, it must start inside that square's diamond 22:43:32 (which happens to be a square itself :p ) 22:43:45 kilobyte: heh, I was wondering what the "diamond" is 22:44:23 I seem to recall you saying that the ray code was the most obtuse code in crawl when I asked 22:44:37 maybe now it's the radius iterator :p 22:44:50 That might be what is causing the headache; I saw some references that the ray stuff is 45" rotated to form diamonds. 22:45:05 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:45:14 This isn't required for PFoV, but since that algorithm is relatively new, legacy Crawl probably used this approach to do it. 22:46:08 what's wrong with the radius iterator after the rewrite? That use of coroutines is in no way vital, you could replace that function with a square loop and checking whether sqr(x-x0)+sqr(y-y0)<=C 22:47:12 all that radius iterator does is "give me a list of all squares no farther from the center than sqrt(C)" 22:47:36 So Crawl does indeed use floating point arithmetic; I wasn't 100% sure, but suspected it. 22:48:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:48:27 xFleury: PFoV has a number of unintuitive artefacts like what you brought up; that's why Crawl uses the diamond model instead 22:49:10 kilobyte: No, I have a working implementation of PFoV that, provided with identical radius, gives identical FoV as Crawl. The only difference is that my targeting system provides the user a ton more flexibility with the line they cast. 22:49:19 and I don't get why DCSS devs didn't opt to do the same 22:49:43 I can limit the user to the shortest path 22:49:47 or the path that targets the most monsters 22:49:48 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:49:50 or whatever 22:49:56 <|amethyst> crawl lets you tweak the path in wizmode 22:50:05 Except.. 22:50:06 diagonal and cardinal lines 22:52:14 Also, having that much flexability is really fiddly to have to PLAY 22:52:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:45 It seems outright bad to allow you cycle through many different beam paths all the time because then you probably have to, to play well 22:52:46 That's true; you wouldn't want to be prompted with 112 different choices on how to cast your beam spell. 22:53:02 (as is the case for [0,0] to [4,7] 22:53:33 But I can suggest some great choices based on what you're casting. 22:54:01 there are only four rays for [0,0] to [4,7] 22:54:09 kilobyte: no, I was joking. The loop unrolling duff's device aspect is perhaps not for the casual code reader, at least 22:54:19 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:54:53 gammafunk: loop unrolling? 22:55:04 gammafunk: it's there only as a fancy goto 22:56:20 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:56:41 kilobyte: hrm, well I had thought duff's device is used only for loop unrolling 23:01:30 kilobyte: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/cae14d876c8e946653eb 23:01:47 113* unique paths 23:04:55 If you were to print chart paper, and try to draw as many lines as possible between [0,0][4,7], even if you drew 1,000,000 different lines, there would be only 113 lines with unique paths. 23:05:16 Which is more than 4. >.> 23:05:46 Oddly enough though, there is a unique shortest here; I don't get how 4 was reached. 23:08:39 PurpleRed (L12 TeCj) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 708: Exit exit_labyrinth[158] didn't get generated. (Lab) 23:11:33 <|amethyst> %git b9aa144a 23:11:33 07by02 * 0.6.0-a0-1897-gb9aa144: Replace ray_def by a version using "diamond rays". 10(4 years, 3 months ago, 2 files, 25+ 212-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9aa144a7fd5 23:13:44 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:13:49 -!- Quashie has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 23:14:41 <|amethyst> %git 81392eb 23:14:41 07by02 * 0.6.0-a0-1893-g81392eb: Remove ray antialiasing. 10(4 years, 3 months ago, 5 files, 18+ 56-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=81392eb43b11 23:15:07 -!- gregunderscorem has quit [Quit: gregunderscorem] 23:15:56 -!- Quashie has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 23:16:57 !tell johnstein Did you ever get the rebuild interface enable / dev accounts assigned? Considering events from earlier this might be prudent. 23:16:57 Grunt: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 23:16:59 And therein is my answer to the "why" :D 23:17:00 <|amethyst> So except for the four commits between those two, we've always made rays affect as few cells as possible (but it used to be that they would be blocked by cells they didn't actually pass through) 23:17:24 Grunt: I did not. but I had it on my list 23:17:25 johnstein: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:17:32 ??cbro 23:17:32 cbro[1/3]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net. Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org 23:17:36 ...okay :) 23:18:05 all I need to do is add the appropriate admins, right? 23:18:29 <|amethyst> yes, dgl admin add 23:18:32 <|amethyst> !nick devteam 23:18:32 Mapping devteam => kilobyte pointless dpeg enne evktalo keskitalo bookofjude haranp rax rob sorear zaba felirx doy itsmu greensnark MarvinPA evilmike grunt sgrunt neil edlothiol jpeg erisdiscordia galehar elliptic ontoclasm bh frogbotherer napkin samb dracoomega mumra medar hangedman 23:18:42 <|amethyst> whichever of those have accounts :) 23:18:46 Oh, and point us to the rebuild interface <_< 23:18:58 <|amethyst> oh, yeah 23:19:00 * johnstein points *thataway* 23:19:20 DracoOmega: seems that I'm getting the "attack snaps it out of its fear" but it was still fleeing with an ancient bear 23:19:25 <|amethyst> johnstein: neither /rebuild nor /crawl/rebuild works 23:19:52 unless fear and fleeing are different now 23:19:54 N78291: As in it said that you snapped it out, but it kept running anyway? 23:19:55 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:20:12 I probably didn't know how to set that up. I don't remember seeing it on the wiki 23:20:12 it still said fleeing in the monster list at least 23:20:14 <|amethyst> johnstein: assuming you have the RewriteRules for /rebuild, I suspect your redirectmatch for / -> :8080 is too broad 23:20:22 ah ok 23:20:26 yea, that's the issue 23:20:27 <|amethyst> johnstein: there's some apache cnfig stuff under 12.5 23:20:35 N78291: I think probably what happened is that you actually snapped it out and then it decided to run again the next turn 23:20:45 I added that stuff, but I did it fairly blindly 23:20:47 N78291: But it's still not supposed to break that kind of running 23:20:51 I'll rejigger it 23:20:53 <|amethyst> johnstein: also, in-game it refers to /crawl/rebuild when I suspect that's supposed to be /rebuild (once the other problem is fixed) 23:21:09 N78291: I do think I know what the problem is. Too tired to fix and test now, but I hope it's not too problematic for now ^^; 23:21:11 <|amethyst> johnstein: err, not in-game, but when you do a save backup 23:21:12 maybe it doesn't break and just gives the message mistakenly 23:21:21 I sort of don't think it can 23:21:37 But I think I forgot to differentiate between ENCH_FEAR and other fleeing (since that mostly doesn't exist now) 23:23:03 <|amethyst> johnstein: err, that was about saves not rebuild, but it has the same redirect problem 23:23:05 dumb question, will reloading the apache service affect anyone currently playing? 23:23:17 <|amethyst> johnstein: nope 23:23:26 <|amethyst> johnstein: apache isn't involved with playing webtiles 23:24:24 <|amethyst> for the save URL thing, you'll also want to change WEB_SAVEDUMP_URL in dgl-manage.conf, then re-publish to update /bin/savegame-backup.sh 23:24:51 |amethyst: would I be right to say, this "shortest path" rule is to fix bugs in crawl's implementation of PFoV? 23:24:54 because it's looking that way to me 23:25:06 <|amethyst> xFleury: Crawl doesn't implement PFoV 23:25:13 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:25:16 it's also looking like that to me, hahaha 23:25:29 CFoV; "Crawl's Field of View" 23:25:31 unique 23:25:50 In fairness, it does seem to try and emulate it. 23:25:53 <|amethyst> It implements a restricted version that ignored corners (the "diamond" thing) 23:25:55 !lg tabstorm 23:25:56 110. tabstorm the Ruffian (L4 GhMo), slain by an adder on D:3 on 2014-01-18 20:23:21, with 227 points after 2325 turns and 0:11:31. 23:26:04 dang, me and irssi 23:26:32 |amethyst: Most PFoV implementations ignore corners; the two on RogueBasin indeed do. 23:26:40 doh 23:27:29 <|amethyst> xFleury: there is no way to go through the non-corner parts of 0,0 -> 0,1 -> 1,1 23:27:32 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:27:57 |amethyst: I had WEB_SAVEDUMP_URL changed, but it pointed to /crawl/saves which I apparently haven't symlinked yet 23:28:14 <|amethyst> johnstein: it shouldn't be a symlink 23:28:19 oh 23:28:20 <|amethyst> johnstein: it should be that rewrite rule 23:28:33 <|amethyst> johnstein: that does the authentication 23:28:50 <|amethyst> (well, that sends it to the save downloader script, which does the authentication) 23:29:05 |amethyst: I can; http://i.imgur.com/HZ88Ezb.png 23:29:10 No corners intersected ;D 23:29:25 <|amethyst> xFleury: ah, we're using "corner" in different way 23:29:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:29:54 <|amethyst> xFleury: for each cell, draw the diamond connecting the midpoints of each side of that cells 23:30:09 <|amethyst> xFleury: only rays that pass through the diamond count 23:30:21 <|amethyst> (and rays must start and end inside the diamond) 23:30:55 screw diamonds, lol, they are not needed it seems 23:42:59 is anyone interested in working on the shop price formula right now 23:43:00 e - the +15 large shield "Bullseye" {EV-5} 3352 gold 23:43:03 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:43:23 is that really unreasonable 23:43:26 Yes 23:43:29 |amethyst: I think I un-goobered the RewriteRules. I also hadn't made the /crawl/saves or /crawl/rebuild directories. am I correct to assume I need to make them? or is there some magic in the scripts that makes that unnecessary? 23:43:53 |amethyst: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ 23:43:54 That's like most of many games worth of gold on a mediocre shield 23:43:55 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:43:57 wheals: it costs like 100 boots of running 23:44:03 Also that 23:44:05 <|amethyst> johnstein: hm, I'm just getting an empty directory listing 23:44:07 ok yes 23:44:23 <|amethyst> johnstein: can you show me the relevant parts of your apache config? 23:44:24 I had a 4 charge wand of invis cost less than an 11 charge wand of slowing earlier 23:44:26 i just kind of blend everything >1000 in my head 23:44:52 yes also a 9 wand of heal wounds costs like 3 times as much as a 1 wand and two recharges 23:44:52 Yes, there's a lot of problems with pricing 23:44:59 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-2019-gd9bc7f0 (34) 23:45:27 Which maybe I might actually take a look at at some point, but I've piled on what seems to be weeks worth of work with stuff I've already said, so I'll not be saying I'll do it just yet :P 23:46:17 |amethyst: http://pastebin.com/ZL84RLyC 23:47:06 -!- araganzar has joined ##crawl-dev 23:47:10 ??ninja[3] 23:47:10 ninja[3/3]: !hs * Sp-- I did this! 154525. Yermak the Ninja (L22 SpAs), worshipper of Dithmengos, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes 23:47:25 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 23:49:57 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:50:59 -!- nxtlvl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:51:25 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:51:34 <|amethyst> johnstein: RewriteRule ^/crawl - [L] 23:51:49 <|amethyst> johnstein: that says not to apply any further rewrite rules if it starts with /crawl 23:52:30 then how are the /crawl/meta, etc rules working? (I'm pretty bad at apache stuff) 23:52:34 <|amethyst> johnstein: you probably want those three sections (ttyrec, saves, rebuild) before that rule 23:52:35 <|amethyst> johnstein: they aren't 23:52:36 ok 23:52:45 <|amethyst> johnstein: so it just goes to the /crawl/meta directory 23:53:01 <|amethyst> johnstein: those rules are redundant with ^/crawl 23:53:15 <|amethyst> johnstein: since they all just say "stop rewriting and use the URL unchanged" 23:53:33 <|amethyst> and if the more specific ones match, the first one would too 23:54:14 |amethyst: Ok. I'll move the three sections above that rule. should I move that ^/crawl to the end? Or is it totally unecessary? 23:54:34 <|amethyst> johnstein: it's necessary so that it doesn't get matched by your :8080 rule 23:55:33 <|amethyst> johnstein: so it should go: specific stuff (ttyrec, saves, rebuild), whole directory pass-through (^/crawl, ^/cgi-bin), then the :8080 redirect 23:55:39 bazaars generate lava monsters now 23:55:41 this seems like a bug 23:55:48 is it 23:56:01 |amethyst: Thanks for helping me untangle that 23:57:37 <|amethyst> hm 23:57:40 <|amethyst> that didn't seem to do it 23:57:49 still doing surgery 23:57:58 (Your password prompt reads "CSZO developer account", btw :b) 23:57:59 <|amethyst> aha 23:58:18 my vi skillz are VASTLY superior to what they were a few months ago 23:58:40 but still takes me a couple minutes :P which is better than a few hours 23:59:08 |amethyst: should be good to go 23:59:13 that's pretty cool stuff 23:59:19 <|amethyst> yeah, the server abbreviation is hardcoded in a few places in those scripts (and the menus) 23:59:22 (probably basic apache stuff) 23:59:47 <|amethyst> johnstein: hm, might want to also add a - [L] for ^/icons