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(D:13) 00:16:23 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1974-gdb6e453 (34) 00:16:27 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1974-gdb6e453 (34) 00:17:26 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 00:19:32 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: there you go 00:19:40 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1975-gdde664e: Split some prototypes etc off to mon-book.h 10(10 minutes ago, 8 files, 49+ 32-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dde664e211b3 00:21:42 <|amethyst> DracoOmega: now touching mon-spll.h only requires rebuilding describe.cc and mon-util.cc 00:22:39 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:27:40 |amethyst: Oh, thanks a lot :) 00:33:39 |amethyst: Do you know where the monster-swapping logic is 00:34:19 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 00:34:23 because I'm looking into how to make fedhas shroomswap work properly, and I'm not sure if Bad Things would happen if I used mons->moveto(loc) before clearing loc of monsters 00:34:30 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:36:53 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:42:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:44:05 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1975-gdde664e 00:45:32 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:38 <|amethyst> Basil: _swap_monsters in mon-act.cc 00:46:25 Thank you. 00:49:05 -!- TARBALLPYTHON has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:52:15 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1976-g0acbe5b: Magenta is boring, one might even say domestic (ChrisOelmueller) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0acbe5bd5bbd 00:54:03 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55:19 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:55:37 hmm, would it be bad to shunt that into mon-stuff.cc and make it not-static? 00:56:03 not sure what distinguishes the two files 00:59:23 <|amethyst> it's only used in one place currently 00:59:43 <|amethyst> if you want to use it elsewhere I'd probably just put it in mon-act.h 01:00:49 mon-stuff does not include mon-act while mon-act includes mon-stuff 01:01:26 And I'm thinking that moving the function around has less side effects than another include 01:01:43 <|amethyst> where would you be adding the call? 01:02:03 swap_places in mon-stuff.cc 01:02:25 if monster_at(loc)->type == TOADSTOOLthen swap_monsters(a, b) 01:02:43 -!- Elinari has quit [Client Quit] 01:03:04 <|amethyst> oh, I see 01:03:09 And I'll make it exclusive to wandering mushrooms as well, as you requested 01:03:13 <|amethyst> a bunch of swapping stuff is already in mon-stuff.cc 01:03:28 <|amethyst> I'm not 100% convinced about my suggestions 01:03:44 Eh 01:03:58 I don't really care either way, save that the status quo is dissatisfying 01:04:22 and I knew that killing the toadstool would prevent weird things happening if I got something wrong 01:04:23 <|amethyst> what about: if you're with fedhas then fedhas-granted monsters swap ; if you're not with fedhas, everyone flattens 01:04:50 <|amethyst> maybe that's too complex 01:05:21 -!- bh has quit [Quit: sleep] 01:05:24 <|amethyst> but it would let you improve the behaviour for non-mushrooms while still addressing kilobyte's complaint 01:06:11 <|amethyst> anyway, I must be off now 01:06:27 -!- amatsu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:06:33 <|amethyst> maybe I'm overthinking it and everyone swapping or everyone flattening is fine 01:06:46 If I addressed kilobyte's comment, it'd probably be easier and more accurate to disallow flattening 01:06:54 since Fedhas wouldn't like that 01:07:28 <|amethyst> not everyone worships fedhas though 01:07:36 Yes 01:07:44 And they can fight their way through the toadstools 01:07:46 <|amethyst> and if you don't, you probably don't care about toadstools 01:07:49 <|amethyst> aha 01:07:50 like monsters usually do 01:07:51 <|amethyst> I see 01:08:24 <|amethyst> one case that probably still needs flattening 01:08:41 <|amethyst> is when you're standing on a toadstool and want to swap with a mushroom 01:08:54 <|amethyst> hm 01:09:07 You could swap the toadstool to your new place 01:09:20 <|amethyst> yeah, I just considered that 01:09:22 unless that is more complex than I expect 01:09:40 in that case whatever, flatten it 01:10:02 <|amethyst> but I really must be off now... night! 01:10:06 Later. 01:11:33 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:13:41 -!- thedefinite has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference] 01:16:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:17:21 -!- CyberSandwich has quit [Quit: CyberSandwich] 01:18:09 -!- asdflkjh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:23:45 -!- DracoOmega has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:24:49 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25:25 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:28:20 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7e2a9fc3441 09:44:47 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1979-gdc9f810: Don't describe umbra as unholy 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc9f81044568 09:46:07 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:50:25 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:50:49 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:45 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:11:56 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:32 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:14:14 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:15:41 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:16:05 -!- LordSloth_ is now known as LordSloth 10:21:24 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:24:01 hmm, in mon-act.cc in _swap_monsters 10:24:06 if (!is_sanctuary(mover->pos()) || !is_sanctuary(moved->pos())) 10:24:07 return false; 10:25:17 <|amethyst> hm 10:25:18 So monsters can only swap in sanctuaries? 10:25:26 <|amethyst> maybe I was looking at the wrong place :/ 10:25:55 Well, it looks like it does the right thing aside from that 10:25:59 but that is really weird 10:26:26 mm, I'll negate that and see if I can make shroomswap work that way 10:27:02 <|amethyst> err 10:27:25 <|amethyst> wouldn't that make monsters swap with all enemies 10:27:37 fr 10:27:59 I'm hoping that there's logic that doesn't make that happen 10:28:03 <|amethyst> from the call site, now I see that it looks like _swap_monsters is called only for non-coaligned things 10:28:11 <|amethyst> I think that is the logic 10:28:19 Oh 10:28:44 <|amethyst> i.e. everything after that point applies only to monsters swapping with non-coaligneds in sanctuary 10:29:02 <|amethyst> hm 10:29:04 mmm 10:29:07 <|amethyst> stupid code 10:29:09 That explains things 10:29:21 I should rename that after this 10:29:27 <|amethyst> yes :) 10:29:39 non_coaligned_monster_swaps_in_sanc 10:29:55 Very descriptive. 10:32:33 / Why do I have to do this move? I don't get it. 10:32:41 Promising comment 10:32:48 <|amethyst> I guess _monster_swaps_places and _mons_can_displace and related code might be what you're after? 10:33:12 mm, I was just looking at that 10:33:25 grepped for ->set_position from sancswap 10:35:25 <|amethyst> grep -i //.*why.*? *.cc 10:36:57 only 24 results 10:37:39 20000 results 10:37:53 I think I mistyped 10:37:58 maybe 10:39:06 spl-transloc.cc: // Note: this can silently fail, eating the blink -- WHY? 10:39:14 good uppercase, too 10:39:34 // Why only attacks by the player change attitude? -- // Confused monsters can't be pushed past, sleeping monsters |1KB 10:39:44 Good question, that. 10:39:53 -!- TARBALLPYTHON has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:02 Clearly Crawl can learn something from Doom 10:40:33 The large rock misses you. The large rock crashes through the titan! 10:40:41 The titan looks a little pissed off. 10:40:57 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:41 // Being berserk makes you resistant to damage. I don't know why. 10:42:32 <|amethyst> !learn add goodcode grep -i //.*why.*? *.cc 10:42:32 goodcode[4/4]: grep -i //.*why.*? *.cc 10:43:03 <|amethyst> // [ds] remind me again why we're doing this piecemeal copying? 10:43:12 i stumbled upon that recently 10:43:45 |amethyst: Any way to make grep search case insensitive? 10:43:55 Basil: -i 10:43:57 oh, -i 10:43:59 that's the -i usually yeah 10:44:12 usually? when is it not? 10:44:28 what 10:44:29 Oh, thought that was -e instead of -i 10:44:37 did the bot 10:44:43 am i imagining things 10:45:38 -!- nixor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:41 <|amethyst> -e is just to do multiple searches (one -e does nothing, except that it ensures the next arguments is treated as a regexp and not an option 10:45:51 also, grep XXX *.{cc,h} | wc -l returns '267' 10:46:19 <|amethyst> so grep -e neil -e amethyst or grep -e -util 10:46:29 <|amethyst> ) 10:46:47 Educational. 10:47:07 grep TODO *.{cc,h} | wc -l returns another 174 10:47:35 <|amethyst> wheals: you can use -c instead of piping to wc 10:48:01 <|amethyst> wheals: oh right 10:48:05 i tried that but it gives a count for each file 10:48:24 <|amethyst> wheals: yeah, you'd have to use cat, at which point you might as well use wc instead; sorry 10:49:01 Basil: Infighting is an amazing feature. 10:49:09 It's a shame just about nobody really uses it. 10:53:31 <|amethyst> I wouldn't necessarily go by HD there anyway 10:53:33 <|amethyst> doh 10:53:59 // XXX: This is a horrible hack. 10:56:16 angband variant comments turn out to sometimes be even better than crawl's, i've been learning 10:56:28 is a good one 10:56:30 um 10:56:32 /* XXX XXX XXX Mega-Hack */ 10:57:30 i don't think crawl has any mega-hacks :( 10:58:05 you could add one :) 10:58:10 travel.cc: // Hackadelic 10:58:22 monster.h: // Hacks, with a capital H. 10:59:11 <|amethyst> only one "fuck" in our source though 10:59:13 dbg-maps.cc: // An unholy hack, FIXME! 10:59:31 <|amethyst> and no "shit" 10:59:33 we have both unholy hacks and evil hacks 10:59:50 are there chaotic hacks 11:00:00 corpse-violating hacks 11:00:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 11:00:10 <|amethyst> Yes, but we don't let Zin near the coding conventions anymore so it doesn't matter 11:00:12 illuminating hacks <_< 11:00:45 only 2 craps, too 11:01:02 fire and apocalypse 11:01:13 There must be at least one "retarded" in there. 11:01:29 <|amethyst> and I think if a piece of code would make someone roll over in their grave, it could be considered corpse-violating 11:02:30 6 mentions of nethack in the code! 11:03:27 <|amethyst> wheals: and one in the manual 11:03:48 <|amethyst> wheals: (and one in options_guide "NetHack-style combined option line") 11:04:13 so about umbra and moldy floor 11:04:57 |amethyst: never realized how many emily dickinson quotes were in crawl until now 11:05:14 mhm i never realized that the crawl travel was based on nh's 11:05:50 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:06:20 hmm, mons_swap_places uses coord_def delta and swap_places used coord_def loc 11:06:36 Hopefully I don't get an off-by-one error somehow 11:06:49 -!- eith_ has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 11:07:26 -!- eith_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:26 <|amethyst> wheals: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/the-dawn-of-stone-soup 11:13:52 <|amethyst> wheals: greensnark ported it to Crawl before Stone Soup existed 11:15:31 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1979-gdc9f810 (34) 11:16:05 what was acr.cc 11:16:27 A source file with a pile of miscellaneous stuff. 11:16:34 ...like most other Crawl source files <_< 11:16:42 good thing we don't have any of those anymore! 11:16:56 did the a c or r stand for anything 11:16:59 serious FR: resist corrosion should identify if you get hit by acid 11:17:02 acr.cc contained the entry point 11:17:10 * File: acr.cc 11:17:11 * Summary: Main entry point, event loop, and some initialization functions 11:17:25 We now call it main.cc. 11:17:40 %git 4d72130 11:17:41 07by02 * 0.6.0-a1-674-g4d72130: Rename acr.cc to main.cc. 10(4 years, 2 months ago, 8 files, 4461+ 4461-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4d72130f8667 11:18:20 the etymology is probably hopelessly lost 11:18:33 * Written by: Linley Henzell 11:18:37 yes 11:18:55 .oO { "a cr(awl)!" } 11:18:55 Zaba: there's a reason for our source file names? 11:18:56 <_< 11:20:07 Grunt, occasionally 11:20:32 Grunt, hard to tell if it happens by design or by mere chance though :P 11:21:09 Crawl design, a series of accidents (fortunate or otherwise). 11:22:49 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:59 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 11:23:00 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:13 stuff2.cc 11:24:45 that's called misc.cc :p 11:26:32 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:28:45 -!- NekomimiRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:30:58 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:20 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1980-gca903ef: Don't let shadow mimic projectiles glow with a rainbow of weird colours. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca903ef09a7d 11:32:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:36:25 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:05 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:30 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 26.0/20131215102647]] 11:41:15 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:30 -!- absolutego_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:44:44 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:53:00 -!- nixor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:53 -!- ais523_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:09 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:21 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:11:24 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:14:18 -!- soundlust|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:14:40 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:27:54 does tso hate dith? 12:28:37 i know dith isn't really an evil god, but tso seems sort of like a "god of light" and he's also really cranky, so i wonder if he would hate dith 12:29:39 dithpater 12:34:50 well he is the god of stabbing 12:35:08 so tso must hate him for his shady ways 12:41:16 i was looking through a recent log, and someone mentioned a spell called "shuggoth seed" and the desc for it 12:41:46 mhm 12:41:48 why have I literally never heard of this until now? That's so weird, I've never seen it before 12:41:58 and why doesn't crawl have it any more? It sounds cool 12:42:07 i'm not sure if it ever existed in stone soup 12:42:26 was it an ancientcrawl thing? or a 4.1 thing? 12:43:07 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:33 i even remember st saying he wanted a spell like that, a sort of attack spell that gives you an ally when it kills 12:44:22 yeah it seems to be from ancient 12:50:32 -!- NekoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:50:57 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:53:47 it didn't ever really exist even in ancient, it was ifdef'd out 12:54:58 most of the stuff that's commented out as not yet implemented in the NetHack codebase would turn out to be a really bad idea if it were 12:55:32 like silver/copper pieces (would make shopping more fiddly for no benefit), vorpal jabberwocks, or shimmering dragons (which would give displacement without blocking the cloak slot) 12:56:15 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:30 -!- Marbit has quit [Changing host] 12:56:30 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:14 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:59:01 Quick question: TSO ocasionally blesses allies (daevas and other stuff). Does he also bless mercenaries? 12:59:19 -!- yokelz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:00:14 -!- nixor1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:00:38 EUCLIDEAN seems to be the only feature-type thing ifdef'd out (not that there are plans to make it standard) 13:01:16 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:01:51 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:02:03 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:03:27 the kind of 'not really a good idea' things that nh has ifdefd is on git branches i guess 13:05:07 except for sokoban 13:05:21 thats still a new feature, not very old at all in nethack years 13:05:58 Sokoban isn't in an ifdef, though, IIRC 13:06:48 aw, for some reason I remember a "new-ish" version which didn't have it 13:07:12 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:09:25 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:09:52 is there a reason i can't check my score while the game is in progress? 13:10:16 has it just not been implemented, or is would that violate dcss philosophy in some way 13:10:28 -!- Brokkr has quit [Client Quit] 13:13:14 rast-: I think it's because the scoring algorithm doesn't really work properly while games are in progress, I guess it could report "score you get if you die now" 13:13:21 another possibility is spoilers, but you can just leave them out of the score 13:13:32 what spoilers? 13:13:39 (in NetHack 4, you can press control-X s for a score breakdown with spoilers hidden) 13:13:47 its just based on score, gold, and runes 13:13:52 (and if you won or not) 13:13:53 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 13:14:02 *based on xp 13:14:04 unidentified items that would give score depending on what their true identity is work like that in NetHack, I think Crawl maybe used to work like that a long time ago too 13:14:10 although the scoring's been changed since 13:14:22 crawl doesnt give score for items any more according to learndb 13:14:33 ??score[3 13:14:33 score[3/3]: As of 0.9, inventory value no longer contributes towards your score. 13:14:43 0.9's pretty recent, IMO 13:15:01 you're too used to nh development then :p 13:15:07 I've hardly played since the MDFi nerf in 0.6 13:15:26 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:15:28 well MDFi got nerfed again since then 13:15:48 and in fact, no longer exists 13:15:59 I still follow Crawl development from time to time 13:16:03 how's the rune lock getting on, btw? 13:16:19 that was in the "headlines", so to speak, last I checked 13:17:02 lots of fuss over what essentially doesn't exist anymore 13:17:06 not sure. rune lock is one of the reasons i play .13 instead of trunk 13:17:25 in fact could be removed without anyone noticing right now but nobody did it yet 13:19:29 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:20:09 -!- Brokkr is now known as Guest94032 13:21:25 -!- Guest94032 has quit [Client Quit] 13:22:00 ontoclasm might notice? 13:22:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:07 * SamB suspects that TARBALLPYTHON was jokingly referring to nonexistance as a nerf 13:24:02 I think if it was removed people might do vaults:1-4 and crypt before getting lair runes 13:24:29 That would be more convenient, I think 13:24:32 i'm not sure how popular it is to do depths before lair runes atm but it seems like people want to go there after vaults 13:24:37 rast-: it might not be too hard to offer a score breakdown w/o spoilers, but we're running out of keys ... 13:24:47 put it on the rune page 13:24:48 assuming there ARE any spoilers 13:24:49 the whole purpose of the lock is to push people into getting runes earlier 13:24:49 or the % page 13:24:58 on many characters i actually find it easier to get both lair runes before vaults 13:25:12 (convenient might not be easier) 13:25:48 SamB: I solved that problem in NetHack via adding submenus to the character information page 13:26:00 only time i even entered depths before a lair rune was when i ran out of crossbow bolts 13:26:05 that let you get at information that people occasionally care about but mostly isn't interesting, like score breakdowns, or what monsters you've killed 13:28:10 ais523_: AKA the runes page 13:28:41 yeah, or another submenu off the same page you use to reach the runes page 13:28:52 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 13:28:52 ais523_: and their slime mold name gets its own page 13:28:54 crawl doesnt have many submenus yet 13:29:08 TARBALLPYTHON: no, that's on the options page 13:29:18 with the other options 13:30:13 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:43 SamB: E 13:30:58 it already doesn't do very much 13:31:03 -!- Cheibrodos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:31:20 it's where i assumed it would be if it existed at any rate 13:31:41 wheals: which it 13:31:49 score display 13:32:30 so what did you mean by that last remark? 13:32:38 -!- LordSloth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:33:05 someone said "crawl doesn't have score display?" and i loaded my game and pressed E to check if it was there 13:33:14 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:22 oh, right 13:33:27 it doesn't show your exact score though 13:33:37 but your score is extremely low until you actually ascend with the orb 13:34:04 hmm, some of that is time-based isn't it? 13:34:27 score is basically runes * orb / turns 13:34:55 what about for characters that die runeless? 13:35:07 gold and xp 13:35:09 you get a pretty small score 13:35:26 but yes, it's not very big 13:37:18 !hs xomscumming 13:37:19 1573. xomscumming the Farming Slayer (L27 MuCK), worshipper of Lugonu, blasted by Maurice (wand of fire) on D:23 on 2011-09-05 16:50:25, with 27000000 points after 478185 turns and 1d+16:21:24. 13:37:30 (that was before a cap was put on points from gold) 13:37:31 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:39:46 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:43:52 -!- Giomancer has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:46:34 mm, made wandering mushrooms swap properly 13:46:48 gdb is quite useful. 13:46:55 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:48:52 -!- Hyouga has quit [Changing host] 13:49:25 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:47 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:30 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:53:26 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:55:47 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:00:33 -!- Brokkr_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:02:47 -!- Brokkr_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:03:57 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:04 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:04:05 -!- Hyouga has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:08 -!- Giomancer has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:04:20 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:04:23 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:35 hi? 14:05:11 wanna try the game, but it hangs at "Loading databases" screen 14:05:47 tiles version, windows 7, with either the zip or the installer 14:08:19 have you tried run as administrator? 14:08:36 I'll do 14:10:43 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:12:42 no luck 14:13:52 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:52 -!- Glowie has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:30 boo, cant be of more help, someone might appear in a bit 14:15:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15:09 Thanks to gammafunk and the DCSS dev team, I had a blast crawling to my first victory. Never managed that in vanilla DC 14:15:15 You're doing great work 14:15:20 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:18:03 which vanilla one? 4.1 was famously nearly unplayable... 14:18:17 ok, thanks anyway 14:18:17 4.1 wasn't vanilla DC 14:19:45 4.0.0 beta 26 is on my hard drive from ages past 14:20:47 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Client Quit] 14:40:06 -!- ais523_ has quit [Quit: going home] 14:47:19 -!- Hyouga has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:52:04 -!- soundlust has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:05 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:58:28 "fatal: protocol error... The git:// protocol is read-only." 14:58:28 tenofswords: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:58:30 sigh 14:58:49 -!- Datul has quit [Changing host] 15:00:42 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:00:50 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:40 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:36 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:09:03 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:15 tenofswords: i think you need to change your remote url or something 15:12:40 "git remote set-url origin git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git" possibly 15:13:50 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-1981-gff1b71f: Lab revision: "add" threat/loot minivaults, wake up minotaur 10(29 minutes ago, 1 file, 324+ 336-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ff1b71fbce89 15:14:37 alright then 15:15:26 Hooray! 15:15:35 Interesting. 15:19:52 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:19:53 Wait, hm 15:19:55 no guarantee 15:20:02 That is sort of disappointing. 15:20:10 yeah, I have no idea how to do that 15:20:35 good with vaults, not particularly good with level generation 15:21:26 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:22:02 Is the next step to poke somebody who is particularly good with level generation? 15:22:22 yes 15:22:48 Good. 15:23:12 !seen mumra 15:23:12 Sorry SamB, I haven't seen mumra. 15:23:31 (mumra's busy with his job, not very likely a choice) 15:23:49 yeah, I know, I wasn't expecting THAT bad an answer though 15:24:14 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:24:20 I guess bh specializes in abyss 15:24:46 kilobyte: who should he poke? 15:25:54 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:25 Medar: Was wondering if you have any reservations still for araganzar's linkify patch 15:26:45 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:27:20 gammafunk: Sorry, haven't checked it yet. 15:28:20 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:30 tenofswords: "12/15/13" is a bit outdated now 15:28:54 pretend that the future is then 15:29:04 (I may have been hanging onto that patch for a while) 15:29:18 mmhm i remember seeing it a while ago 15:29:27 grats on your promotion 15:29:32 thanks 15:29:35 What DCSS version number in 2113 I wonder... 15:30:08 Are you officially tenofswords and not hangedman? Or still both? 15:30:39 officially former, keeping the latter for certain things like preserving vault stats 15:31:34 good to know 15:32:32 speaking of things I've been sitting on 15:33:01 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-1982-gc1506c0: New zig set: "Lair roulette branches". 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c1506c0182e8 15:34:08 tenofswords: Hi there, good start! 15:34:17 hey dpeg 15:35:07 tenofswords: oh, I forgot to say "welcome aboard" 15:35:45 does that zig set only appear on zig:14, or is it any level from zig:14 onward 15:36:03 I'm not sure what depth_ge() is supposed to be, too lazy to actually figure out myself 15:36:30 yeah I assumed that's "depth greater or equal to" but the commit message seemed to imply zig:14 only 15:36:34 I'm pretty sure it's the latter since pan floors definitely appear on plac 15:36:41 it's 14 onward, yeah 15:36:42 ...whoops 15:36:59 as a dev I shall now double-check my commit messages 15:37:49 gammafunk: that would be kind of dumb though, wouldn't it, so I'd just assume careless phrasing even without looking at the code ... 15:38:57 SamB: Well sure, but I think evilmike may have asked for the same reason 15:40:00 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:40:44 yes 15:41:02 -!- Zilis has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:52 "killed by blast of rock fragments" 15:44:00 oh hey 15:44:04 wheals: Is the kill not properly attributed in the morgue? 15:44:10 welcome to the devteam 15:44:24 hi ontoclasm 15:44:25 !log notcluie orc:1 15:44:25 1. notcluie, XL16 SpEE, T:33485: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/notcluie/morgue-notcluie-20140117-213650.txt 15:44:31 Killed by blast of rock fragments (56 damage) 15:44:32 -!- DrinkMachine has left ##crawl-dev 15:44:46 I anticipate being able to make even more tile requests :P 15:44:57 it's lrd that it the player, as you may have guessed 15:45:11 ...dang, this moves me from 28th most useless dev to 29th :C 15:45:43 ontoclasm1: you are hardly useless!!! 15:45:58 tiles is a very important position, we need to lure in as many people who just like things that look pretty for more tv and higher samples for stats 15:47:19 speaking of which 15:47:28 tomb still uses the uhm 15:47:34 block of skulls lookin' floor right 15:48:36 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:44 its the only branch that uses the skull floor/walls as default though 15:48:58 hm 15:49:12 yeah i guess we changed all the others 15:49:59 -!- kats has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:50:07 actually, grunt made the abyss also use that wall tile, but it's (always?) coloured a different palette 15:50:19 -!- NekoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:50:23 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:23 ontoclasm1: Tomb needs a coloring job. 15:50:38 Grey, dark grey and yellow just looks boring as hell. 15:50:41 well, i think it's okay for abyss to have strange walls 15:51:30 and yeah, maybe just some recoloring for tomb would be in order 15:51:41 One thing I noticed in abyss is that the umbra tiling is "invisible" on the blue-green-ish floor tileset that's sometimes used 15:51:45 lugonu collecting skeletons and dipping them in random paint buckets 15:51:52 it feel like it should be dust yellow / dark redbrown 15:52:01 hm 15:52:31 Damn, nobody is in tomb at the moment. 15:52:42 gammafunk: yeah, i think i need to mess with the coloring of the abyss floor again 15:52:52 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 15:52:56 for a couple reasons 15:53:02 ontoclasm1: I do like those blue floor tiles a bit though 15:53:40 Bloax: isn't wiz mode ok to see it? 15:53:40 mm 15:53:59 gammafunk: I am incompetent at anything that isn't webtiles. 15:54:41 Surely you can download a nightly crawl build and use wiz mode though 15:54:41 also maybe umbra needs to be more opaque 15:54:58 i think i made it the same transparency as halo, but yellow's a lot more noticeable 15:55:04 %git HEAD^{/umbra} 15:55:04 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-1979-gdc9f810: Don't describe umbra as unholy 10(6 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc9f81044568 15:55:09 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:10 oh nevermind 15:55:15 but I thought the umbra tile had just changed 15:55:57 nah, i changed it a few months ago i think 15:56:14 yeah, the color in console was recently changed 15:56:19 oh yeah 15:56:27 it's solid purple now i think 15:56:34 instead of ETC_DARK 15:57:20 Bloax: If it's helpful for testing, you can also set up and use a local build of webtiles on your machine 15:57:41 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:57:47 I'm not sure if the msys-git makes python available though 15:58:47 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:01:24 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:01:37 -!- Zermako has quit [Disconnected by services] 16:02:51 !tell |amethyst The not-flattening version of shroomswap.patch is up on mantis--most of it is moving static functions from mon-act.cc to mon-stuff.cc 16:02:51 Basil: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 16:03:09 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:53 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-1983-gec7e238: Small decorative vault batch. 10(59 seconds ago, 4 files, 164+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec7e23808ac5 16:10:29 wow, i completely forgot i made umbra tiles animate 16:13:21 and now they unanimate in console 16:17:48 anybody object to me putting in the dith altar i made 16:18:13 Hm? 16:18:24 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/dith.png 16:18:43 it's hard to see on white i guess 16:18:52 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:20:35 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/customcolorschemes.png well not really 16:20:47 hah 16:25:10 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/dith.gif 16:25:38 nice 16:25:48 what is the purple symbol supposed to be though? 16:26:00 some kind of eye 16:26:07 except i fucked it up but it looks fine 16:26:18 art is a collection of happy little accidents 16:26:23 hah 16:27:50 hm, it looks sort of off-center to me 16:28:13 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1984-g8368945: Don't let ?brand weapon rebrand to flaming under Dithmengos 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=836894528acf 16:28:30 does anyone have a suggestion on how to make that thing not an awful hacky thing, incidentally 16:29:07 it used to use god_hates_item but that didn't work because it would infinite loop if you tried to rebrand a demon weapon under tso, for example 16:29:23 add a god_hates_brand thing? 16:30:29 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:30:32 or turn the weapon into something normal temporarily? 16:32:35 !messages 16:32:36 (1/1) Grunt said (1d 4h 58m 9s ago): Feeling lonely? 16:32:54 !tell Grunt Not really... 16:32:55 TZer0: OK, I'll let grunt know. 16:33:25 tempted to push buffing killer klown brands 16:33:43 do it 16:33:51 0.1% hchance to change your race 16:33:57 if only 16:34:03 klownscumming 16:34:31 0.1% chance to teleport you adjacent to cerebov 16:34:35 from wherever you are 16:34:57 0.1% chance for dragon-slaying brand 16:36:00 !lg * killer=killer klown max=dam x=dam 16:36:00 No keyword 'klown' 16:36:01 0.2% chance for orc-slaying brand 16:36:06 !lg * killer=killer_klown max=dam x=dam 16:36:07 68. [dam=129] coyo7e the Eclecticist (L27 HuWz), worshipper of Vehumet, annihilated by a Killer Klown on Zot:4 on 2011-03-06 17:08:32, with 632673 points after 124248 turns and 21:14:58. 16:36:21 yes, I'm not touching their af_cold 16:36:36 determine killer klown damage with exploding dice 16:36:39 just keep it to damage imo 16:36:52 so they can do arbitrary amounts of damage 16:36:53 "does random damage to you" is fine. but "does random effects which you need to look up" isnt 16:37:15 the commit was about to be "nasty poison, rot, drain xp, fire, cold, blink, antimagic, to strong poison, confuse, drain speed, fire, cold, elec, antimagic" 16:37:37 Grunt: Is shadow form undead? 16:37:56 I would guess no since it doesn't give rC+. 16:38:22 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:38:25 i'm not sure about confuse on that list 16:38:30 up to you though 16:39:02 "paralysis, paralysis, paralysis, paralysis, paralysis" 16:40:53 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 16:42:28 99.5% chance to paralyze for 2d4 turns 16:43:51 if I remember correctly AF_PARALYZE has properties directly tied to the colour of the wasp using it, so that's too tangled for me to use unfortunately 16:44:19 is there an AF_PETRIFY? 16:44:27 if not then fr that 16:44:32 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-enum.h#l67 16:44:39 (nope) 16:47:11 -!- NekoRex has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:47:20 clearly we need cockatrices 16:47:34 ontoclasm1: And nethack-style nymphs! 16:47:38 yes 16:47:53 Esp if water nymphs get cut; then where would we be 16:48:06 -!- Eronarn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:48:46 -!- Chris7 has quit [] 16:49:33 03tenofswords02 07* 0.14-a0-1985-g8192e1e: Replace pointless Killer Klown brands (and thus buff them) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8192e1e52834 16:50:05