00:01:40 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7 (34) 00:04:32 -!- Frank2368 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:04:54 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06:38 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7 (34) 00:08:20 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:10:46 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 00:15:35 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:15:51 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7 (34) 00:19:06 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:24:47 -!- edgar__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:27:31 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:30:29 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:35:14 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7 00:35:49 -!- mong has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:40:49 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:37 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:37 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 00:51:37 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:30 %version 00:54:31 trunk: 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7; 0.13: 0.13.1-22-g086cdba; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 00:54:33 !version 00:54:35 trunk: 0.14-a0-1766-g7a97ba4; 0.13: 0.13.1-22-g086cdba; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 00:54:39 ^version 00:54:39 trunk: 0.14-a0-1765-g49ce880; 0.13: 0.13.1-22-g086cdba 00:55:05 @version 01:02:34 $version 01:02:35 trunk: 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7; 0.13: 0.13.1-22-g086cdba; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.4 01:02:39 ??bots 01:02:39 bots[1/2]: Bots that can be pm'd: announcement bots: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Sizzell (CSZO, %), Lantell (CLAN, $), Ruffell (RHF, #); others: Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! ?? and others) 01:02:47 #version 01:02:47 trunk: 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7; 0.11: not found; 0.10: not found 01:03:17 well those are some strange versions 01:06:43 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:08:35 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:09:16 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:39 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:17:17 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:23:07 -!- FaMott has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:10 ??bots[2 01:23:10 softignore[1/3]: Bots too annoying? If you have the right client, try this: 01:23:24 -!- FaMott has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:50 -!- Dattu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31:14 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:32:34 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:33:37 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:37 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:42 -!- hyperbolic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:35:30 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:38:23 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7 (34) 01:41:21 -!- ToBeFree has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:44:55 -!- ToBeFree has joined ##crawl-dev 02:01:34 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:04:48 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:08:17 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:09:55 -!- buppy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:10:06 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:13:42 -!- scummos^ has quit 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bad tab 10:42:38 <|amethyst> well, that 10:42:40 <|amethyst> doh 10:43:02 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1776-g6cb0bb7: A typo fix. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cb0bb72133d 10:43:02 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1777-g7953652: Manual: remove long gone '}' (MarvinPA) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=79536520caa8 10:43:04 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:21 03kilobyte02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-23-gc5ac171: Manual: remove long gone '}' (MarvinPA) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5ac1713f330 10:49:21 -!- johnny0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:08 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 11:01:28 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 11:03:10 -!- _D_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:07:19 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.1-23-gc5ac171 11:07:43 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:08:18 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:50 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1777-g7953652 (34) 11:14:02 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:15:17 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:25:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 11:28:35 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:46:30 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:46:31 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:47:26 -!- Ero is now known as Eronarn 11:48:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:28 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57:56 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:58:05 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:08 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:00 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:45 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:04:48 -!- xnavy_ is now 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the updates to the .txt files ... 13:44:05 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:22 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:47:02 -!- halv has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:49:01 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:49:14 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:14 <|amethyst> SamB: well, you do want to undo the results of the change if you revert the commit 13:51:33 <|amethyst> SamB: OTOH, that would require just re-running the script in either case 13:51:50 or you could just revert both 13:51:56 <|amethyst> since there are usually subsequent commits that have applied those translations 13:52:00 <|amethyst> yeah 13:52:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:52:31 <|amethyst> either way I think just a revert wouldn't be enough unless there have been no tx syncs since 13:52:34 oh, yeah, actually now that you mention subsequent commits I guess reverting both would have merge conflicts often 13:52:49 and/or miss stuff 13:53:47 so, my way would not only make it easier to spot the substantive changes, but would save hassle in reverting ... 13:54:01 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 13:54:47 darn it I was thinking of checking if sid had a newer version of some package but can't remember which! 13:55:09 oh, zsh ... 13:55:23 -!- caleba has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:58:38 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:59:16 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:33 -!- ivan`` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:03:34 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05:18 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:48 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:12 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:08:21 -!- puppyknuckled has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:09:35 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:11:54 |amethyst or Wensley: what site dgl-status used for? 14:12:11 site=the 14:12:15 err 14:12:32 s/what site/what is the/ 14:12:54 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:15:27 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:16:19 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:16:30 <|amethyst> johnstein: I'm not sure about the current location of Wensley's copy, but ultimately http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/player-status 14:17:07 <|amethyst> Wensley: looks like player-status doesn't handle experimental branches correctly? 14:17:40 <|amethyst> Wensley: "dcss-vinestalker" is being parsed as just a version instead of a game and a version 14:17:51 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:02 -!- inatr has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:50 -!- Pushpabon has quit [Quit: zZz] 14:22:55 -!- Unflexed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:25:13 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:26 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 14:29:18 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:30:03 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:34:38 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:36:02 -!- vansteen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:34 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39:35 (Ever notice how Kirke's invisibility message keeps saying she drinks a potion? For a while I thought she had just picked up one or two a few times, but after 5 "drinks a potion" she was still going strong.) 14:40:59 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:46:34 that is confusing but I am pretty sure there is a mythological reason for this 14:46:51 <|amethyst> huh? 14:47:07 Or if that actually is like that but is a bug it would be an excellent one 14:47:46 <|amethyst> Kirke casts a spell. 14:47:46 <|amethyst> Kirke flickers and vanishes! 14:48:04 -!- Wahaha has quit [] 14:48:58 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-1778-gc541121: Brighten some vermin 10(11 minutes ago, 5 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5411211669e 14:48:58 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-1779-g115aa3d: Brighten some ugly things 10(59 seconds ago, 6 files, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=115aa3dca476 14:49:03 hmmn. 14:49:26 Well I definitely remember reading something about mythological Circe and potions 14:50:03 But obviously if that's not really the message then there's no bug and it can't be a good bug :P 14:50:06 <+|amethyst> Wensley: "dcss-vinestalker" is being parsed as just a version 14:50:06 Wensley: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:50:16 |amethyst: it would be overly charitable to call what that script does "parsing" 14:50:24 <|amethyst> :P 14:50:27 I was young and reckless 14:50:29 -!- scrubnub has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:50:41 I decided that regexes would solve all of my problems 14:50:53 <|amethyst> now you have 2N problems? 14:51:04 today's xkcd seems relevant 14:51:56 anyway, we *could* just add the new URL and the new server to the script without testing it 14:52:03 it's quite straightforward. just two lines 14:52:29 one line to tell it where to find the DGL-status for that server, and one line to tell it what link is used to watch a player on that server 14:52:51 I would just do it myself on my server, but I wiped that server last year and have yet to reinstall apache and php 14:52:59 I've been using nginx and flask for all my shenanigans 14:53:54 <|amethyst> I have access to CDO but I have no idea where that script lives 14:54:00 <|amethyst> I think I might not have access to the script 14:55:15 |amethyst: originally I believe it just lived in the "player-status" directory directly 14:55:22 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 14:55:25 if wordpress even allows such a thing 14:55:30 I dunno 14:55:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:55:59 <|amethyst> I don't have access to the wordpress directory 14:56:39 <|amethyst> I mean, I have a wordpress account and can edit stuff that way, but probably not the script 14:56:44 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/status/playerstatus.js 14:56:57 ya looks like you'd need access 14:57:02 unless there's dumb rewrite magic going on 14:57:07 * Wensley hates rewrite magic 14:57:34 so then the point is moot :) 14:57:54 -!- pelotr0n is now known as pelotron 14:58:43 I'd love to actually rewrite the "parser" to not use regexes 14:59:08 * Wensley puts it on the pile of projects to complete 14:59:15 what was I even thinking 15:04:22 (Maybe it was just in the vinestalker branch that Kirke would do this? Or maybe you need to be invisible first? I should have stopped the game there, but instead I'll need to wait until next time I fight Kirke.) 15:05:41 (For all I know it was because Kirke was in Shoals.) 15:05:55 <|amethyst> Kirke does have the speech line "VISUAL:@The_monster@ splashes a potion @at_foe@." 15:07:11 Consider it was always appearing with here invisibility spell, I would suspect its in the code for some reason. 15:07:17 s/sider/sidering/ 15:07:19 If I recall right then Frederick tosses a potion at you every now and then. 15:07:40 Kirke (09@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 110 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 18 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, DMsl | Res: 06magic(106) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2080 | Sp: porkalator, b.slow, ugly thing, corona, 04esc:invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 15:07:40 <|amethyst> %??kirke 15:07:47 Or maybe Kirke really did pick up five invis potions on her little island? 15:07:59 <|amethyst> Nivim: was she nearly dead? 15:08:06 No, but she couldn't touch me. 15:08:14 I was shooting at her over the water in shoals. 15:08:30 She was on an island 3 tiles big. 15:08:30 <|amethyst> Nivim: hm, I don't remember if monsters cast escape spells in that situation 15:08:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:08:33 They try to run. 15:10:57 zzz 15:11:16 <|amethyst> Nivim: I suspect then that she did actually have five potions 15:12:43 (I'm sure I'll run into it 'gain at some point if it's a bug, till then, I'll be confused.) 15:17:16 -!- Gobbo is now known as GOblinBomb 15:17:18 -!- GOblinBomb is now known as GoblinBomb 15:17:21 -!- bd- has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:17:52 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:58 -!- pharaoh has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:30 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:22:45 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:23:59 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:24:41 -!- Hailey has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 15:29:36 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:30:16 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:36:13 -!- Tellian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:41:10 -!- everett has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131206151508]] 15:43:06 -!- Cryp71c_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:52:38 -!- pharaoh has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:53:09 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:24 -!- ToastyP has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 16:00:02 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:01:30 -!- Tophwells has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:02:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:11 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:28 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:50 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:10:48 !tell |amethyst I got the wiki updated with all the new stuff I came across along with explaining some of the issues I ran into. thanks again for the help 16:10:49 johnstein: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 16:10:52 -!- emagenta has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:18:57 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 16:19:06 -!- ChrisOelmueller has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:02 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:25 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:53 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:27:00 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1780-g764ba6b: Simplify the config file header for translations. 10(38 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=764ba6b59158 16:27:00 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1781-gb3ccc6b: Drop a pointless comment file. 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 21-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b3ccc6bd9cc5 16:27:00 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1782-g6ce00c4: Move fish tiles from mon/animals to mon/aquatic. 10(12 minutes ago, 25 files, 10+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ce00c43181d 16:27:00 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1783-g530e0c4: Move some non-demons (unseen horror, uglies) away from mon/demons/ 10(8 minutes ago, 28 files, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=530e0c4fa672 16:30:09 |amethyst: i brightened rats and ugly things 16:30:15 and a couple others 16:31:55 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 16:33:59 !tell bh what's up with eldritch holiness? Will you do it? Should I do it? Neither of us should because it needs debating? 16:33:59 kilobyte: OK, I'll let bh know. 16:34:07 -!- Datul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:35:58 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 16:40:16 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:45:08 -!- not_detrius has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:45:29 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:52:12 -!- Thann has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:12 -!- Thann has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:42 -!- Thann has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:10 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:51 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:12:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:14:02 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:15:58 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 17:18:58 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Client Quit] 17:21:50 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:34:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:21 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:43:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:45:21 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:55:05 -!- Fortescue has quit [] 17:59:09 -!- Krakhan has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:02:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:51 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:51 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:51 -!- Datgum has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:51 -!- ivan`` has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:51 -!- djinni has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:51 -!- bmfx has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:52 -!- pythonsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:52 -!- murphy_slaw_ has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:52 -!- frostsnow has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:52 -!- kryft has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:52 -!- Rotatell has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:52 -!- RiotInferno has quit [*.net *.split] 18:02:52 -!- rax has quit [*.net *.split] 18:03:05 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 18:03:10 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:30 -!- murphy_slaw has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:10 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:12 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:40 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:35 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:52 -!- kryft has joined ##crawl-dev 18:08:42 -!- dacendoran has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:11:07 -!- Lightli has quit [] 18:11:59 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:18:21 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-1784-g31d50ed: Rename languages to ll_CC 10(2 hours ago, 467 files, 81908+ 81907-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31d50edb7a7a 18:21:15 galehar: that part in initfile.cc is bad: aa_BB was already recognized, and the new code will take languages whose name starts with those two letters as something else 18:25:37 and what's the point of gettext? A small minority of strings are fixed and those can be translated with gettext, but they're just a special case for generic translations. 18:26:18 how are these generic translations going that i keep hearing about? 18:26:53 I'm about to revert the change to initfile.cc (as it's not needed and causes false positives), but I wonder about the rest of the commit as well 18:27:50 ChrisOelmueller: slowly to the point of an about complete stop, but I still don't see a benefit in something that's fundamentally incapable of being complete 18:28:12 so translating fixed strings would be not only not good, but even counterproductive 18:28:51 so what you're saying is solution A exists and B doesn't and we should work towards B because it's better? 18:29:09 I'm saying that A is not a solution at all 18:29:35 would like to disagree, and much of the need for what you call "generic" is just badly written code in the end (bad as far as translatability is concerned) 18:31:51 you're more than welcome to engineer a jack-of-all-trades mechanism but i'd rather not evaluate that before i actually see it myself 18:31:57 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:32:31 and if the task is too large to actually have anybody working on it, maybe reducing the load is just what it takes? how could i tell 18:32:44 -!- inatr has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:33:12 well, I don't see what the gain would be in translating ~10% of messages but not the rest 18:33:28 i did do some statistics couple weeks ago and definitely a vast majority of messages seen in-game are combat, but even those could be altered to fit better into a gettext-like scheme 18:33:45 how can you possibly do grammar with gettext? 18:34:13 i'm the kind of guy that believes 10% is more than 0% 18:35:30 have you looked at the attempts to translate Crawl into Korean? Even though that's a language with a good deal less grammar than English (which is pretty low on grammar to start with), they ended up with special cases in a good percentage of messages. 18:36:11 not in translations: for example in Debian, .po files are dropped during package build if less than 80% complete 18:36:11 if possible it'd be nice to see where "doing grammar" is actually required 18:36:27 pretty much every single message with a %s in it 18:37:29 how is that? 18:38:12 not asking how would a solution look like that you envision to solve this, even though i'm curious 18:38:48 solutions will have to include modifications of existing strings to some degree, certainly, but i don't think it is as bad as you describe 18:39:01 "%s hits %s with %s." in languages with noun cases will be "NOM(%s) hits DAT(%s) with INS(%)." 18:40:07 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:28 and that's for easy languages like German (ok, German has no instrumentalis). Go for Polish and you get noun gender as well which alters the verb (German articles can be hacked as a part of the noun). 18:41:16 -!- lobf_ has quit [Quit: lobf_] 18:43:37 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1785-g30d5508: Revert broken parsing of locale names. 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 41+ 38-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=30d5508cd4e8 18:43:37 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1786-gc51b686: Accept non-standard Microsoftesque "en-US". 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c51b6860fcb3 18:44:31 hmm, dat/descript/*/* is the database, not messages. This needs to be handled by hand already. 18:46:51 -!- Fortescue has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:23 yeah, it breaks db_lint and so on 18:49:01 I just reverted the rest too 18:49:06 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1787-ge8b8e78: Revert "Rename languages to ll_CC" 10(4 minutes ago, 466 files, 81866+ 81870-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e8b8e78ba2d8 18:49:10 -!- Tophwells has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:49:17 this shouldn't be a problem for gettext experiments, though 18:49:27 as this is the db not messages 18:49:35 i'm not involved with the renames yea 18:49:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:50:01 outside of descriptions, they're not 1:1, too 18:51:25 transifex is currently used only for descs as it can't handle non-1:1 and adding/removing keys 18:52:53 -!- Thann has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:54:55 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1788-g070ca00: Drop a few no longer used .pl Xomspeak translations. 10(60 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 66-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=070ca00bc40a 18:57:52 !messages 18:57:52 No messages for TZer0. 18:58:33 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:06:20 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:07:21 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:18:07 -!- Varren has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:23:02 -!- Zeor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:23:02 -!- AlsoZeor is now known as Zeor 19:26:48 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:43 -!- Shade_Tornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:33:05 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1789-g29d148a: Let db_lint check Xommy parts of godspeak.txt. 10(13 minutes ago, 2 files, 35+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=29d148a2b9f3 19:33:05 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1790-g6e8320a: Update .pl Xomspeak. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 34+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e8320a23379 19:34:31 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:38:10 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 19:39:17 ...alright, time for a tweak I've been meaning to do for a while. 19:39:38 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1791-g911af47: Make salamanders amphibious wrt lava / spawn occasionally in late Snake. 10(5 minutes ago, 7 files, 12+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=911af47f0a19 19:39:40 * Grunt prepares to weather rotten fruit. 19:40:27 * kilobyte looks for appropriate fruit. Coconuts should be ok. 19:40:57 * Grunt looks for some swallows to carry them in... er, wait. 19:42:18 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:05 i'll happily eat all that fruit mid air 19:43:07 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:17 even eggplant 19:43:17 galehar: reverting the locale move should unbreak all those transifex issues you just announced 19:44:31 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:02 by the way, going to pre-emptively ruin something 19:45:03 -!- darkschneider has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:45:26 if they can actually be lured out of lava they probably should get item.plus[2] = random2(5) on their equipment 19:45:33 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1792-g6cc8937: Unbreak. 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cc893776b53 19:45:33 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1793-g0acfe2f: Move salamander tiles back out of aquatic/ 10(37 seconds ago, 3 files, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0acfe2faf28a 19:45:34 errrr, shouldn't 19:50:31 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1794-g2c17670: Let salamanders drop corpses. 10(34 seconds ago, 3 files, 6+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c1767037ad2 19:50:52 kilobyte: should salamanders perhaps move as slowly on land as nagas? 19:51:05 (just passing along a suggestion I'm hearing elsewhere) 19:51:16 since they're lava nagas, obviously... 19:51:53 both according to their glyph and tile 19:52:10 red very naga warrior 19:53:05 I'd say, let's recolour naga mages 19:53:22 it's not like the 'N' glyph is stuffed 19:53:25 (that wasn't my point but okay sure) 19:55:37 ##crawl: < ChrisOelmueller> can LO finally become salamander now 19:55:44 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:00:01 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1795-g8c28bbf: Salamanders move like nagas on land. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8c28bbf39eec 20:00:07 -!- CyberSandwich has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:15 goddamnit 20:02:34 can salamanders be removed from early Lair now? 20:02:48 there are salamanders in 20:02:49 even with speed 8 they seem cruel 20:02:50 oh right 20:03:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 20:03:12 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:13 pop_lava_generic_early 20:04:23 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:08:16 -!- frostsno1 is now known as frostsnow 20:08:42 (also considering the red, blue, and lightmagenta super-subtle joke clearly need to move salamanders to yellow or something) 20:09:04 -!- nixor has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:49 fr lava monsters are colors other than red/lightred 20:09:54 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 20:10:07 <|amethyst> but how else will volcano get a consistent theme? 20:10:09 but thenthey'd have to be removed from volcanoes 20:10:32 uh, hello, things can stay in volcanos if their tiles are red 20:10:39 why else would I add ogre mages and centaur warriors 20:10:54 alternately: fr other color-themed portals 20:10:58 <|amethyst> tiles have colors? 20:11:00 ...alongside isk's tower 20:11:14 .....and eringya's garden 20:11:32 <|amethyst> how am I supposed to tell what colour a tile is? I guess I'll need to write a script for that 20:11:43 (I swear I didn't put in fauns in eringya's just for that) 20:14:02 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:17:47 (I did have some wizlab nerfs waiting around, btw, but I was waiting over the holidays for the secret list to do secret things) 20:22:50 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 20:23:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:09 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:15 -!- dck has left ##crawl-dev 20:25:29 (on an actually direct note, a second kind of naga warrior that uses melee fire instead of poison spit/constrict/shield with less health is missing the point of lavamphibious in the first place but whoooooo caressssssss) 20:29:11 -!- jameyd has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:30:29 -!- pelotron has quit [Quit: ~Internet()] 20:34:42 -!- Chris_Oelmueller has joined ##crawl-dev 20:35:24 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [Disconnected by services] 20:35:28 -!- Chris_Oelmueller is now known as ChrisOelmueller 20:35:46 -!- jcd748 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:42:32 would magenta be a better colour for naga mages? Especially with greater nagas (ie, the only other spellcasting naga) being lightmagenta. 20:43:02 would that also accidentally remove lamia 20:43:03 what a good response 20:43:04 (all the better) 20:43:19 kilobyte: i am okay with lava orcs becoming salamanders, but only if there are still lava orc monsters 20:43:24 i think this is reasonable 20:43:26 well clearly with salamanders walking around snake pit jorgmungandr is 20:44:25 ChrisOelmueller: oh, that wasn't intentional. But, sounds like a good side effect :) 20:45:18 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:22 -!- lobf_ has quit [Quit: lobf_] 20:51:15 any reason to not remove her right now? This has been discussed a few times, and I don't remember anyone being in favour of keeping her. 20:51:52 her branch end needs a quick substitute (should obviously be a quicksilver dragon) 20:52:22 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all!] 20:52:44 no Snake unique? (until jorgumandr decides to exist) 20:54:05 jorgunmander doesn't seem to be a good contender to me 20:54:26 kind of hard to show the Ouroboros myth in Crawl... 20:54:34 * tenofswords whistles 20:54:39 <|amethyst> make a snake with the O glyph 20:54:41 <|amethyst> there you go 20:55:04 * tenofswords whistles a little further and https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=user:hangedman#monster_designs 20:55:04 * Sequell also whistles a little further and https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=user:hangedman#monster_designs 20:59:35 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 21:08:02 i don't have a problem with red naga mages but i guess magenta is about as close to a consistent "wizard" colour as exists 21:08:07 and lamia removal sounds good yes 21:09:07 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 21:14:40 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: Want to be different? Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 21:14:57 looks like every single "wizard" is magenta, and so is every single "mage" without a qualifier ("death", "air" or "cloud" -- but not "venom"). 21:15:46 those formicid venom mages already being another candidate for removal 21:16:13 ??colours 21:16:13 colours[1/3]: black, blue, green, cyan, red, magenta, brown, lightgrey, darkgrey, lightblue, lightgreen, lightcyan, lightred, lightmagenta, yellow, white 21:16:15 ??colours[2 21:16:15 colours[2/3]: To see the base-colours for elemental colours, read down from http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/colour.cc;#l325 21:16:16 yeah, they meet the magenta rule though 21:16:17 ??colours[3 21:16:18 colours[3/3]: for y in {0..7}; do for b in 0 1; do for x in {0..7}; do printf '\e[%1d;4%1d;3%1dm%1d/%1d ' ${b} ${y} ${x} ${x} ${y}; done; done; printf '\e[0m\n'; done 21:16:45 oops 21:17:02 <|amethyst> ??glyphs 21:17:02 glyphs ~ glyph[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:interface:glyphs#glyph_list 21:17:34 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:09 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1796-g1ce0708: Guarantee the Forest, for now. 10(51 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1ce070822937 21:19:09 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1797-gfca4177: Remove Lamia. 10(11 minutes ago, 14 files, 4+ 103-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fca41778bc9a 21:19:09 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1798-g4c7263a: Repaint naga mages magenta. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4c7263ade385 21:19:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:24:30 so what should be talked about first 21:25:14 rip lamia's tile :C 21:25:16 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:18 how trying to add another branch as crypt roulette at this point doesn't work too great, how abyss guests is a garbage compensate for strategic damage, or 21:25:30 joke statement, put lamia in thunderdome 21:26:02 (joke statement, me starting conversations) 21:26:05 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:39 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:27:54 <|amethyst> Removing abyssal guests isn't a problem really, but tenofswords has a monster design to replace it that would need to be implemented 21:28:14 i wonder if tenofswords is around 21:28:34 I wonder that too 21:28:46 my way of dealing with current abyss is playing AK and closing my eyes before hitting `aa` 21:28:47 Forest guests are probably too deadly vs early banishments 21:29:02 well i don't mind abyss guests, but they should be -guasts- 21:29:05 as opposed to the abyss in general? 21:29:06 guests* 21:29:10 like, %10 of spawns maybe 21:29:25 not 2/3s 21:29:26 i haven't been in abyss for a while, is it still mostly non abyss monsters? 21:29:28 (they're 11.111111% currently, even if it doesn't feel like that) 21:29:33 hmm 21:29:36 (I have no idea how) 21:29:59 well note that lots of monsters have bands 21:30:06 fair point 21:30:08 but no abyss guys do afaik 21:30:16 is there any good place where the rationale of the abyss guests was talked about? i still don't get it 21:30:24 raiju! hellwings! thrashing horrors! 21:30:25 raiju! 21:30:29 man 21:30:56 oh the rationale was the fact that people hate the strategic damage of smoke demons and neqoxecs so abyss clearly needs more monsters to block such terrible things 21:31:36 (the fact that by not being properly discriminate it results in things like abyss vault sentinels/convokers...) 21:31:41 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31:49 (is clearly karmic) 21:32:03 i'd be fine with smoke demons no longer existing, sticky is terrible, neqoxecs are fine 21:32:26 the overappearance of "regular" enemies in abyss is an abomination (wocka wocka) 21:32:39 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1799-ge455218: Reduce Forest guests on shallow Abyss. 10(79 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4552187d6ec 21:32:44 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:32:52 when I said that that is an item destruction problem and not a smoke demon problem bloax droev tavern into a frenzy 21:33:05 going to continue thinking it is karmic 21:33:08 note how item destruction also is a tavern problem 21:33:11 sure, you could keep smoke demons and just get rid of sticky 21:33:28 i don't care much about item destruction in general, i just think sticky flame is hugely excessive 21:35:16 ackack: somehow it has a _huge_ weight for item destruction chance 21:35:22 -!- OCTOTROG2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:36:04 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:36:11 -!- OCTOTROG2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37:28 a tweak of a previous idea for sticky flame: only cause item destruction if you read a scroll 21:38:00 <|amethyst> hm 21:38:06 kilobyte: Isn't it ~10% chance per scroll per 10 aut under sticky flame? 21:38:53 12% 21:39:18 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1800-g9538344: Give Duvessa plain blue hair (minmay) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=95383443fbdc 21:39:37 darts/arrows have 2% per hit, fire beams have 3%, fireball 5% 21:39:52 That does seem a bit over the top, yeah 21:40:07 -!- testtrog has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40:31 especially that a single hit of sticky flame burns you for several rounds 21:41:37 (it would also be very nice to not make it that massive of a chance) 21:41:48 clouds are pretty high, at 7% 21:42:07 scrambling free from lava is 14% but that happens about never 21:43:19 (fr remove drowning) 21:45:05 like, a damage over time that isn't locked to start really low like poison and isn't trivially cured like poison but checking an already serious resistance itself isn't even that bad early-game/etc, but solely item-destruction threats are boring) 21:45:28 (next I'll be suggesting to super-buff ugly things) 21:45:36 the few ice cave / volcano situations where it'd matter, the damage output is more relevant 21:45:43 Ideally remove their item destruction 21:45:47 and corrosion 21:46:04 yes, i find corrosion much more of a downer than potion/scroll destruction 21:46:12 ugly thing branded weaponry 21:46:17 tenofswords: what, the new tiles aren't enough for them? 21:46:27 -!- CyberSandwich has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:47:17 (I was trying to allude to red very ugly things but oh well bringing up every annoyance in the game also doesn't work) 21:47:55 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1801-gf9b7593: Repaint demonspawn brown. 10(59 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f9b759332c46 21:47:57 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1800-g9538344 (34) 21:48:43 I know it's hard to give up having sixfirhies being 6 but 21:48:52 worth giving up for 21:49:04 i'll find some unicode 6 to put them on 21:49:25 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:49:27 ??sixfirhy[3 21:49:28 sixfirhy[3/4]: 01:27 < timecircuits> sxFR:?)hyyyyyyyy-\- 21:49:45 no not б 21:51:01 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:32 -!- Neuromancer has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:54:49 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:54:55 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:55:03 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:58:28 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 22:00:21 -!- tenofswords has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:16 -!- not_detrius has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:08:20 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 22:10:31 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:14:25 -!- master_j has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:17:00 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:20:00 kilobyte: btw, how bad are the ideas in snake-enemies? I'm mainly using it as a playground for various ideas I've had over the past several months right now and I'm not sure if I intend for all of them to eventually end up in trunk. 22:20:05 (the branch, that is) 22:20:27 There's at least one which I don't think ends up working very well, personally, but I'll let you figure out which one >_> 22:20:35 (take your time in figuring that out, btw) 22:22:09 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:26:20 -!- abdallah has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 22:26:40 -!- lobf_ has quit [Quit: lobf_] 22:30:22 -!- Frank2368 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:31:17 (I thought the item destruction numbers were fixed by making armour matter?) 22:31:51 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:32:03 that only happens for elemental beams 22:36:04 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:37:36 <|amethyst> err 22:37:39 <|amethyst> so 22:37:44 <|amethyst> blowguns can have non-zero plus2 22:37:50 <|amethyst> and it gives them extra damage 22:38:44 what :P 22:38:51 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:06 <|amethyst> that's why magicpoints got an apparently-plain runed blowgun 22:39:09 <|amethyst> I think 22:39:20 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 22:39:24 <|amethyst> I was able to reproduce it pretty easily by generating a stack of several dozen blowguns 22:39:33 <|amethyst> s/stack/pile/ 22:39:38 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 22:40:00 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:41:41 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:42:46 could you also fix them getting racial tags on the way? 22:43:34 <|amethyst> You could probably convince MarvinPA to do that 22:43:39 <|amethyst> %git 373a9dbf 22:43:40 07MarvinPA02 * 0.13-a0-1745-g373a9db: Remove references to racial ammo from throw.cc 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 8+ 22-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=373a9dbf31ce 22:43:51 <|amethyst> (see the last sentence) 22:44:06 yay 22:44:58 and yes fullack to that 22:45:50 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:47:58 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:48:58 |amethyst: so, they need to display two plusses? 22:49:05 or what ... 22:49:11 pretty sure that is not the solution, no 22:49:12 <|amethyst> no, working on a different fix 22:50:12 <|amethyst> oh, good thing blowgun of the assassin was removed 22:50:41 <|amethyst> still going to fix up the dead copy of it just in case someone gets ideas 22:59:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:40 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1802-gd8ce012: Don't generate blowguns with nonzero to-dam enchantment. 10(27 minutes ago, 3 files, 13+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d8ce012f37b8 23:08:40 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1803-g6e87443: Nerf blowguns in old saves. 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e8744332df0 23:10:21 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10:35 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:10:37 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 23:10:43 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 23:16:53 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:19:53 can you still /enchant/ blowguns? 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