00:01:09 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1765-g49ce880 (34)
00:05:59 <Flex> anyone around?
00:06:29 <Ruffell> Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1765-g49ce880 (34)
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00:15:47 <Gretell> Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1765-g49ce880 (34)
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00:21:00 <SamB> Flex: hmm, bh is not ...
00:22:47 <SamB> or, well, much of anyone ...
00:23:51 <Flex> heh
00:25:01 * Grunt sics the elite marksnaga squad on SamB.
00:25:33 <SamB> Grunt: not counting lurkers
00:26:15 <Sizzell> notcluie (L27 GrEE) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 352: cloud flame in orcish_idol at (25,32) (Coc:7)
00:31:55 <Flex> I just noticed another bug, actually
00:32:04 <Flex> when drained, or recovering from draining, the AC and EV displays don't update properly
00:32:20 <Flex> example: I get drained, my AC and EV don't appear to change, but then I go into inventory and back and they suddenly have
00:33:04 <SamB> ??mantis
00:33:04 <Sequell> bug[1/2]: To report bugs, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php
00:33:15 <Flex> I am aware of mantis, yes
00:33:23 <Flex> I usually mention things here first in case they've already been dealt with or are known
00:33:26 <SamB> that is an OBVIOUS bug, does not really need discussion
00:33:32 <Flex> I know
00:33:55 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1765-g49ce880
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00:36:16 <Rotatell> Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.boylecraft.net updated to: 0.13.1-22-g086cdba
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00:42:17 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.boylecraft.net updated to: 0.14-a0-1765-g49ce880 (34)
00:42:50 <Cheibriados> AC/EV stat display not updated along with player skill drain <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7957> by G-Flex
00:43:28 <SamB> Flex: if the channel weren't so dead you probably wouldn't have had to actually report it, I guess ...
00:43:52 <Flex> heh
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00:48:19 <Sizzell> morik (L9 NaCj) ASSERT(i > (unsigned int) min_unbuyable_idx) in 'shopping.cc' at line 2932 failed. (D:7)
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01:17:24 <johnstein> !tell |amethyst found the issue with my update-stable problem. missing '=' on line 40 in update-crawl-stable-build.sh, [[ "$REVISION" == "$REVISION_OLD" || "$VER_STR" = "$VER_STR_OLD" ]] && \
01:17:25 <Sequell> johnstein: OK, I'll let |amethyst know.
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01:18:52 <Zaba> that's not a problem, = and == are the same in test/[/[[
01:18:52 <johnstein> !learn edit cbro Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net.  Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org:8080
01:18:52 <Sequell> Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/<search>/<repl>/
01:18:57 <johnstein> oh
01:19:03 <johnstein> didn't know that
01:19:04 <johnstein> hmm
01:19:14 <johnstein> maybe it's the cronjob messing it up
01:19:20 <elliptic> do !learn add for a new entry
01:19:41 <johnstein> when I run the job: sudo ./update-crawl, it seems to correctly not update
01:19:52 <johnstein> but when the cronjob rolls around, it wants to update 0.13
01:20:32 <johnstein> !learn add cbro Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net.  Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org:8080
01:20:32 <Sequell> cbro[1/1]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net.  Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org:8080
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06:19:35 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1766-g7a97ba4: Redraw AC/EV/SH when being drained or recovering from draining (#7957) 10(6 minutes ago, 4 files, 11+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7a97ba40ffd0
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07:57:16 <Cedor> hello boys
07:57:21 <Cedor> tanks for yesterday
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08:51:52 <Cedor> quick question : didsomeone changed the behaviour of pickup_mode = auto in rcfile?
08:52:08 <Medar> yes
08:52:20 <Medar> %git :/pickup_mode
08:52:22 <Cheibriados> 07ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} * 0.14-a0-1698-g5c0f9e6: Remove `pickup_mode` option, introduce `pickup_menu` 10(6 days ago, 5 files, 12+ 31-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5c0f9e6d2fb2
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08:56:07 <Cedor> ah ok :)
08:56:52 <Cedor> oh
08:57:05 <Cedor> the auto mode disappeared...
08:59:50 <Medar> did you actually use it?
09:01:39 <Cedor> yep
09:02:05 <Cedor> even it's a pure habits
09:02:18 <Cedor> pickup_mode = auto:4
09:02:53 <Cedor> with this i usually can pick what I want with only 2 key (y and n)
09:03:23 <Cedor> and as I have the list item on screen, I don't really have to think
09:03:40 <Cedor> but when item are listed with the glyphes, menu is better
09:04:12 <Medar> well, if you truly think it's useful you should talk to chris
09:04:21 <Cedor> ok
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09:31:39 <Cheibriados> Lava Orcs when "fired up" can access books? <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7958> by Lorkhan
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10:25:15 <Cedor> Medar, stil around here?
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10:25:25 <Medar> Sure
10:25:43 <Cedor> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28025164/0001-Rewriting-of-_itosym.patch
10:26:04 <Cedor> remember what we were saying about use of strings in the % screen?
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10:26:23 <SamB> Cedor: hmm?
10:26:29 <Medar> I don't
10:26:43 <Cedor> do you have 5 min to have a look at this patch, and tell me if my way of doing things is nice or not?
10:26:56 <Cedor> oh you weren't there, sorry Medar
10:27:01 <Medar> Not right now
10:27:13 <Cedor> no problem
10:27:29 <SamB> you mean, how it seemed a necessary annoyance to have that function return std::string and the callsites all use .c_str() themselves, since "return foo.c_str();" is not safe
10:27:44 <Cedor> yep
10:27:49 <Cedor> I try to rewrite this part
10:28:12 <Cedor> and i'd like to kown if my way of doing things is... well... nice?
10:29:16 * SamB rather wishes it were possible to have std::string automatically converted to const char * when passed to printf-like functions ...
10:29:28 * Cedor wishes too
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10:30:20 <Cedor> but you know, the strangest thing is that cols.add_formatted() use strings..
10:30:32 <Cedor> (the column formater)
10:33:26 * SamB waits for browser to load patch ...
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10:33:43 <SamB> oh, it popped up a dialog, darn
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10:44:07 <SamB> Cedor: well, it looks like a reasonably sane approach, not that I read it too carefully or anything ...
10:44:21 <SamB> my sister is calling me away for something, though
10:45:06 <Cedor> no problem
10:45:14 <Cedor> this is the only answer I needed :p
10:45:25 <Cedor> i'll achieve this and add the patch in mantis
10:45:40 <Cedor> thanks
10:51:14 <|amethyst> Cedor:  why not do the same thing for %sNoTele, %sRndTele, etc?
10:51:14 <Sequell> |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
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10:51:51 <|amethyst> Cedor:  More importantly, it doesn't handle unicode properly
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10:52:29 <|amethyst> Cedor:  string::resize works by bytes, not columns; which is fine for English but we do want to translate this stuff at some point
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10:52:31 <|amethyst> doh
10:52:44 <CedorDark> ?
10:52:48 <|amethyst> oh
10:52:53 <|amethyst> missed your other nick :)
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10:55:32 <|amethyst> I don't know if we have something specifically to pad strings, but you could use something like  string resist = make_stringf("%s%*s", name, spacing - strwidth(name), "");
10:55:50 <|amethyst> strwidth is the number of columns a string takes
10:56:05 <|amethyst> make_stringf is our version of sprintf that returns a string instead of using a char[]
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10:56:24 <CedorDark> ok......
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10:56:59 <|amethyst> I mention this because ChrisOelmueller is doing some translation work and mentioned that page
10:57:04 <CedorDark> so as I said, I hightlight all my nicknames so don't worry
10:57:09 <CedorDark> ok
10:57:42 <|amethyst> I do think, for gettext purposes, having the string be "rPois" is probably better than "%srFire  %s\n"
10:57:47 <CedorDark> so I should look for a resize by column instead of bytes?
10:57:54 <CedorDark> I think so
10:57:57 <|amethyst> there won't be one in standard C++
10:58:01 <CedorDark> ok
10:58:17 <CedorDark> The point was only to avoid strings like "rPois   "
10:58:25 <|amethyst> Yeah
10:58:29 <CedorDark> but I can revert this
10:58:39 <|amethyst> because something like that would be really unclear to translators
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10:58:41 <|amethyst> nono
10:58:42 <CedorDark> ('cause I fear the handling might be a bit heavy)
10:58:47 <CedorDark> ok
10:58:52 <|amethyst> I think what you're doing is still better than "rPois   "
10:58:54 <CedorDark> i'll add another subfunction then
10:58:57 <CedorDark> ok
10:59:07 <CedorDark> and..
10:59:16 <|amethyst> oh wait
10:59:17 <CedorDark> I don't understand the problem for chris
10:59:19 <|amethyst> chop_string can pad
10:59:43 <|amethyst> CedorDark:  the issue is that every string like "%srFire  %s\n"  is something that will have to be translated
11:00:04 <CedorDark> yep
11:00:06 <|amethyst> CedorDark:  and it's a lot easier on the translators if they only have to translate "rFire" and not these complicated strings whose widths are important
11:00:25 <CedorDark> I think so
11:00:27 <CedorDark> but what is the problem with my use of stings?
11:00:50 <|amethyst> oh
11:00:53 <CedorDark> I think best way should be to remove the magic "rsmting"
11:01:16 <CedorDark> and handle the width where I do it
11:01:18 <|amethyst> The only problem with your approach is using .resize() to bad it out
11:01:25 <CedorDark> ok
11:01:30 <CedorDark> no problem, i'll do it by hand
11:01:37 <|amethyst> actually
11:01:52 <|amethyst> chop_string looks like it can do padding
11:02:07 <|amethyst> chop_string(name, spacing, true)
11:02:23 <|amethyst> that will chop or extend the string to fit exactly 'spacing' columns
11:02:39 <|amethyst> however wide the characters are in the current locale
11:03:26 <CedorDark> yep
11:03:34 <CedorDark> I thik it's the best thing to do
11:03:56 <CedorDark> oh, and what is the politic about default value for parameters?
11:04:08 <CedorDark> I used it, and think i'll resuse it
11:04:16 <CedorDark> but i'm not sure you'll lke it
11:04:31 <|amethyst> Defaults are fine
11:04:53 <|amethyst> they should of course have a reasonable default
11:05:01 <|amethyst> usually whatever would be the most common value
11:05:56 <CedorDark> that's what I thought
11:05:58 <CedorDark> nice
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11:07:11 <CedorDark> / TODO: Also show *Rage in clarity line
11:07:27 <CedorDark> how the fuck can I know if a player is under *rage?
11:07:30 <CedorDark> parse items?
11:07:40 <CedorDark> ah there's a mutation too
11:08:01 <Henzell> Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1766-g7a97ba4 (34)
11:08:45 <|amethyst> that's probably why it's a TODO
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11:09:31 <CedorDark> :p
11:09:59 <|amethyst> let's see
11:10:16 <CedorDark> it was more a rethoric question
11:10:27 <CedorDark> i'd look at it after
11:10:30 <|amethyst> the code is in player::attacking right now
11:10:41 <|amethyst> oh
11:10:46 <|amethyst> that's only MUT_BERSERK
11:10:54 <|amethyst> not *Rage items
11:11:35 <|amethyst> player::angry() does the item scan
11:12:42 <|amethyst> the berserking itself happens in melee_attack::check_autoberserk
11:12:45 <|amethyst> why...
11:12:49 <CedorDark> lol
11:12:55 <|amethyst> I mean, why is that in two different places?
11:13:04 <|amethyst> I guess because monsters can't have MUT_BERSERK
11:13:12 <CedorDark> that's I ask myself since I started to look into crawl source :p
11:13:55 <|amethyst> anyway, it sounds like  you.angry() || player_mutation_level(MUT_BERSERK)  would work
11:14:07 <|amethyst> if you just wanted a boolean
11:14:28 <|amethyst> err
11:14:34 <|amethyst> actually,  you.angry(false)
11:15:39 <CedorDark> ok
11:15:45 <CedorDark> i'll try this after....
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11:15:50 <CedorDark> the...
11:15:55 <CedorDark> hum...
11:16:01 <|amethyst> (I don't know if there are any unidentified sources of *Rage but if so the false will make it not leak them)
11:16:08 <CedorDark> random tele is a red NoTele + ?
11:16:26 <|amethyst> no, *Tele
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11:16:49 <CedorDark> sorry
11:16:55 <|amethyst> or do you mean something is showing up wrong?
11:17:45 <|amethyst> oh, I see, currently it's NoTele and RndTele
11:17:53 <CedorDark> yep
11:18:03 <CedorDark> and i'm not sure what i'm reading
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11:18:36 <CedorDark> it seems no tele is a red +
11:18:48 <CedorDark> and random tele too...
11:18:56 <|amethyst> ah
11:19:00 <|amethyst> I guess because they're bad
11:19:03 <CedorDark> not a red x
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11:19:17 <CedorDark> yep, I think they're red because they're bad
11:19:25 <CedorDark> bad why a + then?
11:19:30 <CedorDark> but*
11:19:41 <|amethyst> Because elsewhere x means the opposite of the label
11:20:01 <CedorDark> hum...
11:20:08 <|amethyst> rFire: x   means -1 level of rFire, but   NoTele: +  means 1 level of NoTele
11:20:16 <CedorDark> and red...
11:20:19 <CedorDark> grmbl
11:20:30 <CedorDark> it break my function...
11:20:36 <|amethyst> let's see
11:20:36 <CedorDark> i'll try something
11:21:01 <CedorDark> whell, I handle color and symbol generation with the same value
11:21:17 <CedorDark> because I didn't thought of such case
11:21:31 <CedorDark> I think i'll try with negative maximum...
11:22:34 <|amethyst> I'd add another flag that says to negate the value passed to _determine_colour_string
11:22:44 <|amethyst> a bool instead of trying to pack it into max
11:22:52 <CedorDark> right
11:22:54 <CedorDark> thanks
11:23:06 <CedorDark> I don't have the habit to add params
11:23:19 <CedorDark> I usualy use short prototypes
11:23:40 <|amethyst> I am somewhat wary of adding params usually (so much code to recompile!), but for static functions I don't really care :)
11:24:12 <CedorDark> :)
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11:47:18 <CedorDark> of fuck...
11:47:42 <CedorDark> it's not the same width for the first and for the second column...
11:48:05 <CedorDark> i'll have to use explicit value...
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12:06:05 <|amethyst> johnstein, TZer0, joosa:  made a security update to my dgamelaunch repo, branch szorg
12:06:54 <|amethyst> johnstein, TZer0, joosa:  (dgamelaunch itself, not dgamelaunch-config)   This prevents players passing dgamelaunch options by giving a command to ssh
12:08:08 <|amethyst> johnstein, TZer0, joosa:  I don't think it's critical exactly, but probably a good idea
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12:12:53 <|amethyst> Napkin:  I don't think my security update to dgamelaunch applies to CDO because you use ForceCommand rather than making it the login shell, but I'm not sure if you have my ee buffer overflow fix
12:16:34 <|amethyst> Napkin:  (about seven months old): git://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch.git -b szorg
12:16:58 <|amethyst> Napkin:  (the new one is from today but again only matters for dgamelaunch as a login shell)
12:17:24 <Napkin> I added the buffer overflow fix, i think
12:17:49 <Napkin> i have ee as separate editor, not builtin
12:18:23 <johnstein> thanks |amethyst. are there any additional security precautions you do for the ssh user?
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12:21:07 <|amethyst> johnstein:  I put no-agent-forwarding,no-port-forwarding,no-X11-forwarding on the authorized_keys entry, but that's redundant with the "Match User crawl" stuff from the guide
12:21:40 <|amethyst> johnstein:  I guess really you could have it be a separate account from the one actually running crawl
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12:22:01 <|amethyst> johnstein:  since dgamelaunch switches to that user anyway
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12:22:27 <|amethyst> johnstein:  that way if someone does break something, they only have access to a regular account and not (say) write access to the save dirs
12:22:35 <johnstein> yea. my user is "crawler"
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12:22:57 <|amethyst> In practice they're probably more likely to break dgamelaunch, in which case it doesn't matter :)
12:23:05 <johnstein> for that reason
12:23:06 <johnstein> heh
12:23:49 <|amethyst> If I used cszo for anything other than crawl I would probably put the whole crawl setup in a VM
12:24:25 <|amethyst> but I don't and I'm lazy
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14:55:30 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Check out new European server at ??clan! | Play Crawl online now: type ??cao, ??cdo, ??cszo, ??clan, or ??webtiles for instructions | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: termcast.develz.org | ##crawl-offtopic: You got your gender in my peanut butter! Xom thinks this is hilarious.
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16:05:30 <nikitamog> what do you guys use to compile your c++ code?
16:05:53 <nikitamog> i wanna set up eclipse but it's giving me some trouble atm
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17:18:14 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1767-g112ad64: Drop one more white statue. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=112ad64ef9b4
17:18:14 <Cheibriados> 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1768-g2a55ee8: Don't spawn kennysheep shops on D:1-3. 10(64 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a55ee8b3caa
17:24:19 <|amethyst> kilobyte:  now that I look at those... probably the ones tagged "decor" should not have a chance for a shop
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17:32:18 <kilobyte> or not have the "decor" tag
17:33:15 <|amethyst> that would work too
17:34:02 <|amethyst> I also feel a little weird about having shops other than those placed by serial_shops (and things like Orc:$, Vaults:$), but these aren't the first
17:34:18 <kilobyte> I feel the Abyss bot is ignoring me... it found just one crash in a few weeks
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17:35:05 <|amethyst> should the shop vaults not tagged "shop" move out of builder/shops.des?
17:35:25 <|amethyst> into variable/mini_features.des maybe?
17:35:49 <kilobyte> I guess they're in that file because they have a shop
17:36:06 <kilobyte> ie, like overflow altars vs regular random ones
17:36:13 <|amethyst> true
17:37:05 <kilobyte> kennysheep's vaults have another quirk, of using a common system of complex substitutions
17:37:21 <|amethyst> yeah, it probably makes sense to keep those together
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17:39:01 <Lightli> kilobyte: Maybe the abyss isn't broken anymore
17:40:13 <johnstein> abyss bot?
17:40:39 <johnstein> ??abyss bot
17:40:40 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled abyss_bot in my learndb.
17:40:58 <kilobyte> johnstein: a stress testing tool
17:41:08 <|amethyst> johnstein:  see test/stress/
17:41:19 <johnstein> oh neat
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17:50:37 <Cheibriados> 03Marbit02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1769-gdf6c89a: Ijyb monspeak new line 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=df6c89a4af21
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18:05:55 <Cheibriados> webtiles sometimes displays a floor the player isn't currently on when --more-- prompt is active (jelly slurping?) <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7617> by johnstein
18:09:42 <|amethyst> hm, wonder why Chei didn't have that one in its cache
18:09:53 <|amethyst> (it came to Chei's attention because I just added a relationship)
18:10:43 <johnstein> that was a weird one. and brings back sad memories of the end of that game
18:10:58 <johnstein> stupid vault wardens on V5
18:11:19 <SamB> maybe Chei doesn't look at the feed when it's stuck waiting for freenode to come back up
18:11:28 <johnstein> !hs johnstein god=jiyva
18:11:28 <Sequell> 2. johnstein the Acrobat (L26 MfGl), worshipper of Jiyva, slain by a stone giant on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2013-10-09 07:23:44, with 551553 points after 135845 turns and 22:39:38.
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18:50:21 <chewymouse> is there a reason why the new ugly things tile is so dark
18:50:39 <chewymouse> also why the general trend with tiles seems to be that way
18:51:10 <chewymouse> what's wrong with a brown rat that's not floor colored
18:52:34 <|amethyst> Maybe Bloax's gamma is too low
18:53:04 <chewymouse> maybe it's on my side
18:53:24 <chewymouse> but it's getting increasingly difficult to see things from version to version
18:53:34 <chewymouse> that's my 2c anyways
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18:54:58 <|amethyst> !tell ontoclasm chewymouse said he thinks the new tiles (mostly from Bloax) are too dark, and that "it's getting increasingly difficult to see things from version to version"
18:54:58 <Sequell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know.
18:55:20 <|amethyst> !tell ontoclasm e specifically mentioned rats and ugly things
18:55:20 <Sequell> |amethyst: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know.
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20:10:49 <johnstein> |amethyst, TZer0, and anyone else running a server, what sort of backup do you do?
20:11:37 <|amethyst> not much really
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20:13:11 <Flex> out of curiosity, how much data composes all the user information? (morgue files, anything else that would be unrecoverable if there were no backup)
20:13:12 <|amethyst> the code is on github etc
20:13:24 <|amethyst> Flex:  the biggest thing there is ttyrecs
20:13:27 <|amethyst> which are huge
20:13:53 <johnstein> oh, that's probably why the wiki suggested setting up a job to periodically compress them
20:14:02 <|amethyst> even compressed they're huge
20:14:06 * johnstein hasn't looked at the ttyrecs in much detail
20:14:06 * Sequell also hasn't looked at the ttyrecs in much detail
20:14:26 <elliptic> Sequell: I don't believe you
20:14:31 <|amethyst> doing a du of cszo's ttyrec dir, it will take a minute
20:14:47 <|amethyst> elliptic:  it's true, sequell only looks at the URL
20:14:49 <johnstein> the wiki says: "To create the user database, either run webtiles, or do: "
20:15:08 <|amethyst> johnstein:  the first time you start webtiles it will create the user DB
20:15:11 <johnstein> figure this means the user db is ok
20:15:12 <johnstein> yea
20:15:24 <|amethyst> johnstein:  but if you want to test console before you get webtiles working....
20:15:26 <johnstein> is that the only thing that could really benefit from backups?
20:15:29 <johnstein> ah ok
20:15:45 <Flex> |amethyst: heh, I forgot about the recordings
20:15:47 <johnstein> I started on webtiles so ssh was an afterthought
20:16:04 <|amethyst> 179.4 GiB of ttyrecs on CSZO and it's been up about 17 months
20:16:05 <elliptic> |amethyst: oh, all the looking at timestamps and such to get the right file happens in dcss_tv or whatever that repository is called?
20:16:12 <johnstein> that's a lot
20:16:16 <johnstein> hm
20:16:18 <|amethyst> elliptic:  I thought so
20:16:30 <johnstein> I don't have that much room on my VPS for that much data
20:17:28 <|amethyst> I was talking to greensnark about moving some of the older ttyrecs off cszo onto shalott.org
20:17:44 <|amethyst> might need to get around to that before long, / is 79% full
20:18:02 <|amethyst> I can probably free up quite a bit though, only about half is ttyrecs
20:18:28 <|amethyst> binaries are 48 GiB
20:20:05 <|amethyst> hm
20:20:16 <|amethyst> I need to remember to fix the build scripts to remove the binary when they're done
20:20:41 <|amethyst> deleting those extra copies (there's another in <chroot>/usr/games) freed 40+ GiB
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20:23:24 <|amethyst> 25 GiB for saves, logfiles/milestones/etc, and webtiles assets (crawl-master)
20:25:08 <|amethyst> 13 GiB in core dumps (in six months)
20:25:15 <|amethyst> those can be deleted though
20:26:42 <johnstein> do you at least backup the user db? or is the reliability high enough it's not a big concern?
20:27:01 <|amethyst> user db by itself isn't worth much
20:27:15 <|amethyst> probably should back up user db + rcfiles
20:28:01 <|amethyst> milestones and logfiles are cached by Sequell, scoring scripts, and probably others, so those are backed up, kind of
20:28:38 <|amethyst> morgues maybe should do morgues too
20:28:45 <|amethyst> s/morgues ma/ma/
20:28:59 <|amethyst> morgeus are 15 GiB on CSZO
20:29:04 <|amethyst> s/geus/gues/
20:29:20 <|amethyst> rcfiles are 610 MiB
20:29:32 <|amethyst> and that would be even less if deduped
20:30:09 <|amethyst> since something like 90% of users never change their rc
20:31:10 <|amethyst> at some point I'll probably force-transfer people out of most of the old trunk versions, which would save over 60 GiB
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20:32:22 <|amethyst> The clean-trunks script keeps around any version that has a save
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20:33:25 <|amethyst> but really we could pick something like a dozen different versions spaced over the past year and a half, and transfer everyone to whichever of those closest followed their version
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20:33:43 <|amethyst> or just force-transfer everyone to latest trunk :)
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20:34:03 <|amethyst> there are at least a few save-compat bugs from very old versions
20:34:31 <|amethyst> I think Vaults:8 will crash when it tries to place, for example
20:34:41 <|amethyst> s/place/generate the level/
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20:37:42 <|amethyst> johnstein:  oh yeah, you probably want that script
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20:38:09 <|amethyst> johnstein:  http://dobrazupa.org/stuff/clean-trunks
20:38:10 <geekosaur> oh man, it's not even trunk any more. 0.13-a
20:38:19 <|amethyst> johnstein:  I run that from a crontab
20:38:53 <|amethyst> johnstein:  from crawl-dev's crontab that is
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20:39:56 <|amethyst> !seen Wensley
20:39:56 <Sequell> I last saw Wensley at Sun Jan  5 14:13:16 2014 UTC (12h 26m 40s ago) joining the channel.
20:40:25 <Guest59159> |amethyst: you rang?
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20:40:53 <|amethyst> Wensley: I was about to tell johnstein to put up the dgl-status CGI and let you know its URL
20:40:57 <|amethyst> http://dobrazupa.org/stuff/dgl-status
20:41:01 <|amethyst> johnstein: ^^
20:41:05 <Wensley> ooh, new server?
20:41:05 <Sequell> Wensley: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them.
20:41:08 <Wensley> !messages
20:41:09 <Sequell> (1/2) Elynae said (1w 4d 15h 33m 22s ago): sexyfeliddreams.tumblr.com
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20:41:11 <Wensley> !messages
20:41:12 <Sequell> (1/1) Elynae said (1w 4d 5h 58m 18s ago): or sexyfairydreams.tumblr.com i guess (i should have called it feliddreams but then it was too late)
20:41:25 <|amethyst> there's also a Korean server but it's webtiles only
20:41:34 <Wensley> hmmm
20:41:35 <|amethyst> neither has been announced
20:43:09 <johnstein> |amethyst. thanks for the scripts. I'll mess with them later and add some notes to the wiki
20:43:13 <johnstein> ??cbro
20:43:13 <Sequell> cbro[1/1]: Server in Georgia, US: crawl.beRotato.org -- ssh port 22, username crawler, keys at http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys (no password access). In case of DNS problems, use crawl.boylecraft.net.  Webtiles at: http://crawl.beRotato.org:8080
20:43:16 <|amethyst> johnstein:  did you figure out the cryptic note about the inotify watcher?
20:43:38 <johnstein> not yet
20:43:47 <|amethyst> johnstein:  you should run  <path to>/dgl crawl-inotify-dglwhere
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20:44:06 <johnstein> I took care of the stuff I could understand and had a list of things to bug you with eventually
20:44:21 <|amethyst> johnstein:  and if you add new inprogress directories (for new game versions) you'll need to find and kill that daemon then restart it
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20:45:31 <|amethyst> the inotify thing is necessary for the "current location" field in DGL
20:45:50 <|amethyst> "Where" under the watch menu I mean
20:46:00 <|amethyst> not sure if it's necessary for webtiles or not
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20:46:07 <johnstein> ah ok
20:46:58 <johnstein> so, take care of inotify. set up the clean trunks job, and set up the dgl-status CGI
20:47:21 <johnstein> |amethyst. what does the dgl-status cgi do?
20:47:34 <johnstein> just server status?
20:47:34 <|amethyst> johnstein:  it gives an easy-to-parse list of all the players
20:47:37 <johnstein> oh
20:47:44 <|amethyst> johnstein:  run   dgamelaunch -s   to see what it prints
20:47:50 <Wensley> well it's only easy-to-parse if you don't muck around with it :P
20:47:55 <Wensley> json would be easier :)
20:48:29 <johnstein> so just set up a symlink to that script in/var/www somewhere and send Wensley the location?
20:48:40 <Wensley> I just need the URL
20:48:46 <|amethyst> Wensley wishes /etc/passwd were JSON or at least YAML
20:48:51 <Wensley> and the preferred abbreviation of your server
20:49:01 <Wensley> |amethyst: be still, my heart
20:49:02 <|amethyst> johnstein:  not /var/www probably
20:49:22 <Wensley> though I'd probably prefer TOML for /etc/passwd
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20:49:44 <|amethyst> johnstein:  /usr/lib/cgi-bin is the default cgi-bin directory in Debian, probably the same in Ubuntu
20:50:21 <|amethyst> johnstein:  you can set it up elsewhere, but you'd at least need to tell Apache it's a CGI so it runs it rather than serving up the source code instead
20:50:25 <|amethyst> s/ instead//
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20:53:30 <|amethyst> for example   ScriptAlias /dgl-status /path/to/dgl-status
20:54:00 <|amethyst> would make it available at /dgl-status without you having to put it into /var/www or anywhere particular
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21:23:46 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1770-gddc40ae: Keep original capitalisation in user_note_prefix (#7925) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ddc40aeaad9a
21:23:46 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1771-g5496fc2: Allow monsters to dig through iron grates. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5496fc2268e4
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21:41:01 <Gretell> Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1771-g5496fc2
21:42:30 <Grunt> |amethyst: clearly just give monsters behind grates IOOD instead <_<
21:42:42 <Grunt> |amethyst: I had an alich in a zig entry dig his way out that way a few games ago :b
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21:42:59 <Flex> some eyeballs like to do that
21:43:46 * Grunt stares at Flex. Flex suddenly stops moving!
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21:54:54 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1772-g86b63b8: Leak an option secret tech. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=86b63b899228
21:54:54 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7: Convert some stray tabs in options_guide.txt 10(58 seconds ago, 1 file, 9+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e500af7295de
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23:03:12 <johnstein> !tell wensley dgl-status at: http://crawl.berotato.org/cgi-bin/dgl-status
23:03:12 <Sequell> johnstein: OK, I'll let wensley know.
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23:26:28 <johnstein> tried to run the update script and got this error:
23:26:29 <johnstein> error: unable to create file crawl-ref/source/test/big/abyss_shift.lua (Permission denied)
23:26:44 <johnstein> but acc to the gitorious site, abyss_shift.lua should be in /test
23:26:47 <johnstein> not /test/big
23:26:54 <johnstein> right?
23:28:27 <SamB> I don't think that's relevant to the permissions problem?
23:28:42 <SamB> also seemingly not for this branch?
23:28:46 <johnstein> probably not. for some reason /test/big is owned by root
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23:35:48 <johnstein> |amethyst dgl compress-ttyrecs should be run as root?
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23:48:06 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-1773-ge500af7 (34)
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