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are very imbalanced http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/bh/morgue-bh-20131231-060714.txt 00:26:46 I did Elf:3 at XL16 and then went to Pan 00:27:37 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 00:27:49 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:28:15 Another nerf is in mantis by the way. 00:28:38 * Grunt nerfs Basil. 00:28:48 that was the most fun I've had losing at crawl. 00:29:03 bh: LOSING IS F--wait, wrong game. 00:29:14 * bh lights Grunt on fire. 00:29:24 * Grunt douses bh in magma. 00:29:30 umph 00:32:44 <|amethyst> 01:32:01 < heteroy> huh an escape hatch upward in the abyss 00:32:50 <|amethyst> 01:32:30 < heteroy> took me back to abyss:3 00:35:35 uh 00:37:43 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:42 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:30 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:45:58 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 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07[vinestalker] * 0.14-a0-1706-gf03d2f2: Fix incorrect comment, again. 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f03d2f2866de 10:45:07 03Sage02 {|amethyst} 07[vinestalker] * 0.14-a0-1707-gbdfac80: Add brackets around an if statement. 10(11 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bdfac800e347 10:45:07 03|amethyst02 07[vinestalker] * 0.14-a0-1728-gfab6df9: Merge branch 'master' into vinestalker 10(6 minutes ago, files, + -) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fab6df9fa886 10:49:42 Experimental (vinestalker) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1728-gfab6df9 10:49:59 -!- Prokhor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:50:03 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:51 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:56:25 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:56:29 -!- Vbitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:57:07 <|amethyst> arg... serious network issues to CDO 10:57:21 <|amethyst> it is making mantis kind of difficult to deal with 10:59:02 <|amethyst> I give up... if someone has better luck, please mark #7942 (private) as resolved 10:59:54 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:05 <|amethyst> !tell Basil applied all three updates (up to -update-3), and also merged in latest trunk to fix some bugs. I would have left this as a note on mantis, but my network connection to CDO is being flaky right now 11:00:06 |amethyst: OK, I'll let basil know. 11:00:14 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:30 oh man 11:00:35 new race 11:00:45 is it online anywhere? 11:00:56 <|amethyst> CSZO experimental 11:00:56 It's in an experimental cszo branch. 11:01:01 nice 11:01:16 <|amethyst> just got a load of nerfs 11:01:20 Awwwwwwww yeah 11:02:05 <|amethyst> well, two really 11:02:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 11:03:27 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:07:06 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.1-22-g086cdba 11:08:27 * Grunt implements a couple of unrand ideas he's had recently... 11:10:57 -!- Porost_ is now known as Porost 11:12:17 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:14 -!- bei has quit [Quit: bei] 11:15:33 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:16:35 is there a list somewhere of what VS currently get? 11:17:19 -!- eith has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17:30 You have razor-sharp teeth. 11:17:30 You regenerate. 11:17:30 When hurt, damage is shared between your health and your magic reserves. 11:17:30 Your bite disrupts and absorbs the magic of your enemies. 11:17:30 Potions and wands cannot restore your HP. 11:17:56 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:06 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1709-ga85e0a9 (34) 11:18:12 you are also very fragile 11:18:29 hm... I kind of think the wand thing sets a bad precedent since they work on plant, and natural, and undead 11:18:53 and if we ever add an unliving race, there's a chance they'll use wands for healing 11:19:01 <|amethyst> It has nothing to do with them being a plant, but is a race-specific mutation 11:19:15 <|amethyst> MUT_NO_DEVICE_HEAL 11:19:18 |amethyst: right, but i read the justification for why they can't wand 11:19:36 it has more to do with their mp/hp shenanigans than them being a plant 11:19:51 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 11:20:17 Bloax: this is fine for potions, but taken on their own, what's the justification for wands? 11:20:35 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:11 well heck knows 11:21:27 evilmike: if i post a summoning revamp thing today, want to look at it? 11:21:30 but there's already a race that heals by wands and that race is called Deep Dwarves 11:22:04 Eronarn: i will take a look and comment (eventually) sure 11:22:04 evilmike: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:22:09 <|amethyst> !tell Basil also, i would consider making priests not count as spellcasters from MP gain purposes (same as antimagic); and making cards like elixir not work 11:22:09 |amethyst: OK, I'll let basil know. 11:22:59 <|amethyst> !tell Basil oh, never mind, I misread your priest logic, it's fine 11:22:59 |amethyst: OK, I'll let basil know. 11:23:30 (also why are they using a wrong tile) 11:23:48 <|amethyst> Wrong tile? 11:25:22 amethyst: What about borg or Ely healing? 11:25:48 <|amethyst> Lightli: those are probably fine, it's MUT_NO_DEVICE_HEAL 11:25:53 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=5273&type=bug 11:25:57 <|amethyst> Lightli: though described as "Potions and wands cannot restore your HP." 11:26:02 http://sprunge.us/FehX 11:26:19 ...wait, I made a minor error with that <_< 11:26:47 http://sprunge.us/VIff 11:26:50 <|amethyst> Bloax: ah, you might ask Basil about that 11:27:05 so one is super-elec and the other is super-anti magic 11:29:09 <|amethyst> Grunt: it sounds like we need to put that antimagic check into a function 11:29:16 |amethyst: probably. 11:29:24 (also I should come up with tiles for these) 11:29:29 (the first one is obviously a lightsaber <_<) 11:29:43 and 1/3rd of the time you swing it around 11:30:32 <|amethyst> Grunt: how are deaths to those miscast effects credited? 11:30:41 <|amethyst> Grunt: I guess that is also a question for Pu 11:30:48 Grunt: now make a claymore which casts chain lightning 11:30:50 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:32:08 |amethyst: hm, I think nobody gets the credit. 11:32:14 MELEE_MISCAST doesn't credit anyone. 11:32:25 Clearly s/MELEE_MISCAST/attacker->mindex()/ 11:34:10 -!- Ipsum has quit [Quit: Changing server] 11:34:13 Obviously it'd be a titan's gladius. 11:35:29 With a base damage of 22 and a base delay of 24 aut because this is one big sword. 11:39:37 sounds crappy. With mindelay 11 rather than 7, the damage would need to be quite a bit better, or the gladius would need some other property 11:40:26 [18:30:53] Grunt: now make a claymore which casts chain lightning 11:40:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:41:18 <|amethyst> 10.5, no? 11:41:39 <|amethyst> but yeah 11:42:06 we already have the dark maul for "weapon with a min delay > 7) 11:42:48 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:26 and it needs base dam of 45 to be not a good deal worse than mundane weapons you can get 11:45:37 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:45:45 -!- ONeEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:45:57 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 11:50:29 hmm, do we really want -Wreorder? 11:51:20 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:51:28 <|amethyst> I think that's better than having things silently reordered 11:52:06 <|amethyst> I was considering -Wno-format-zero-length though 11:55:36 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:02:38 -!- LordSloth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:11:14 Remove caps. by wheals 12:11:51 |amethyst: is reordering even problematic unless you badly abuse side effects? 12:13:02 now that dragon form is just Tmut, would anyone object to making it use your other magic schools to determine which type of dragon you are? 12:17:15 hmm, we don't properly use -isystem in our buildsystem ... 12:17:55 |amethyst: if we did, I think we could drop those "#pragma gcc diagnostic" about -Wredundant-decls entirely 12:19:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:26:33 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 12:31:40 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:56 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:06 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:50 -!- ivan`` has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:42:05 -!- ckyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:17 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:44:57 -!- ivan`` has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:17 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:39 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:21 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:55:22 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1710-g3974a19: Unhide a hidden item in due_jungle_book 10(58 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3974a1938aaa 13:07:10 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:11:23 -!- TheMattybee has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:15:36 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:26:25 -!- TZer0 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:26:28 <|amethyst> quokkas hop, right? 13:27:58 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:47 -!- gvdm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:29:55 <|amethyst> I think this qualifies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFq6Rphmd9k 13:30:02 <|amethyst> (not a great video though) 13:30:23 <|amethyst> btter but short http://www.arkive.org/quokka/setonix-brachyurus/video-06.html 13:30:57 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:31:03 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:12 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:41 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:49 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1711-g92186bd: Improve flavour of reanimated macropods. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=92186bdbb780 13:35:16 -!- NilsBloodaxe__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:35:41 |amethyst: btw, I'm amused at your creation of zombie players. 13:35:46 ...to wit, "The dead are Crawling!" 13:35:53 <|amethyst> :) 13:36:53 <|amethyst> should add that in case someone somehow winds up reanimating a MONS_PLAYER in wizmode 13:37:13 |amethyst: Fe animating their own corpse 13:37:14 <_< 13:40:45 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 13:45:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:54 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:52:45 -!- jeanjacques has quit [] 13:56:14 !tell evilmike wrote some summ stuff about deciding what the school's core effects should be: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:magic:schools:summoning&#radical_revamp 13:56:14 Eronarn: OK, I'll let evilmike know. 13:57:27 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:07:38 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:08:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:04 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:12:42 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:24:35 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:24:40 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:35:30 hrmm, this is not quite working out: http://sprunge.us/PDeG 14:39:30 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 14:40:53 where does the -isystem /usr/include come from ... 14:41:21 comare http://sprunge.us/jUjP 14:41:25 er, compare 14:42:17 ...how badly is this going to break the mac build 14:46:02 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:51:17 kilobyte: does CROSSHOST actually work? 14:57:58 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:02 SamB: you mean, all Windows builds, and armel nightlies? 15:01:36 nevermind, it seems we don't really have a good reason to be passing an -I / -isystem flag for the sqlite include path anyway? 15:01:47 since it's supposed to already be in the default path ... 15:06:39 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:15:44 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:30 -!- kekekela has quit [Client Quit] 15:33:41 * Grunt revives an old idea: http://sprunge.us/aVIS 15:34:51 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:34:59 not a bad one, I think 15:35:14 I think it's worth trying for a while to see how it pans out. 15:35:23 Sounds good. 15:35:23 Basil: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:36:58 Well, if anyone finds huge problems with it, the revert button is over there ---> 15:37:28 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1712-g905e27a: Suppress distortion unwield effects for Lucy followers. 10(7 weeks ago, 3 files, 12+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=905e27af4c4a 15:38:20 Grunt: wait, you have a *button* for that? 15:38:36 SamB: it calls a shell script, obviously :b 15:39:02 Bound to F11. 15:39:57 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:40 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:43:10 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:29 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:45:25 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 15:48:40 Basil: Vine stalkers seem to have the wrong tile. 15:49:03 Oh right 15:49:09 I should get on that. 15:51:34 Bloax: is it a ? tile 15:51:44 or an @ or something 15:51:55 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/file_download.php?file_id=5273&type=bug 15:52:06 SamB: Glyph is magenta P 15:54:09 -!- ainsophyao has joined ##crawl-dev 15:55:39 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:20 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:07:13 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Quit: ₪₪₪-₪₪₪-₪₪-₪₪₪] 16:07:24 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 16:28:19 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 16:29:46 -!- tholmes has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:31:07 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:26 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:43:53 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:45:09 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:51:21 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:46 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:56:15 -!- BlastHardcheese has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:57:27 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:17 -!- gvdm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:59:47 -!- Kenran has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:00:07 -!- ckyle_ has quit [Quit: ckyle_] 17:03:09 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:57 -!- jameyd has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 17:10:45 -!- SiotWarrior has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:51 hello 17:11:06 i have a question 17:11:50 orc follower of beogh can increase his damage as growing hd? 17:12:00 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:12 hm 17:12:22 anyone there? 17:12:33 well this is not quite the right channel unless you have something else 17:12:43 increasing HD does not increase damage directly 17:12:59 thanks 17:13:03 it does increase accuracy, and orcs can change into better types which -will- increase damage 17:13:35 i'm sorry to bother you 17:13:48 it's not that, just this is for dev instead of gameplay 17:14:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:14:50 if so, where is that place? 17:14:55 ##crawl 17:15:34 thanks to friendly answer 17:15:50 -!- SiotWarrior has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:20:33 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:26:22 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 17:31:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:36:56 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 17:41:54 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:50:10 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:52:24 -!- conted_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:54:10 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:57:01 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:01:16 -!- puppyknuckled has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:01:53 !tell basil probably vs should not be able to drain their own summons 18:01:54 mikee_: OK, I'll let basil know. 18:08:15 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:30 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:11:01 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:12:12 ...something else I've been meaning to experiment with for a while: http://sprunge.us/EdIb 18:13:01 ..hm, there's something in there which doesn't actually do what I expected it to do. 18:13:03 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 18:14:45 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:14:51 http://sprunge.us/Jaja 18:14:59 er 18:15:11 (todo: update patch before re-pasting it) 18:15:36 http://sprunge.us/dHDi 18:15:45 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:15:50 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:23:58 -!- blackcustard has quit [Quit: being stupid, sunstruck, and Dead, flew into the rocketing FIN.] 18:24:45 -!- blackcustard has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:09 -!- RZX has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 18:27:28 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:26 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:32:41 -!- piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:33:33 -!- ckyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:50 -!- ProzacElf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:37:57 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:41:43 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:42:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:42:58 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:42:58 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:45:03 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 18:52:10 Anyone know if this vault will ever get any momentum? I'm loathe to try to create more vaults while I've got so many in limbo: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7801 18:53:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:54:11 <|amethyst> badplayer: I'm not particularly good at evaluating vaults, but I note that it's the only ossuary vault that can give a ring 18:54:20 <|amethyst> and one of only two that can give a wand 18:54:59 For minor stuff like that, does the submitter normally tweak that kind of detail? 18:55:08 I'm totally not wed to the loot content. 18:56:49 This too, never seemed to go anywhere: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7774 18:57:57 This one seemed to be generally accepted, just some syntactical tweaking needed to ensure the corpses will eventually rot. I'd be willing to do it if I knew that the vault would be accepted: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7784 18:59:48 <|amethyst> hm, let's see 19:01:24 <|amethyst> in the ribbit map you said one of the lines had an error? 19:01:54 <|amethyst> ah, the KFEAT: 1 = ', 23 = W ? 19:02:10 yah 19:03:07 -!- Kenran_ has quit [Quit: Quitting] 19:05:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:08:38 -!- Lightli has quit [] 19:11:14 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:11 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:19:44 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-1713-ge84909d: Use -isystem instead of -I for (what should be) system libraries 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e84909d808a7 19:21:14 hopefully this still works for all of the cross-builds? 19:21:58 * geekosaur checks to see how badly things are now broken... 19:22:24 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:29 what changed in abyss? 19:24:37 i noticed items werent being noted when they came into view 19:24:52 and more importantly, i wasnt notified about this abyss exit 19:25:28 <|amethyst> I don't know about items, but for the abyss exit I suspect the same thing that required 19:25:31 <|amethyst> %git :/Pan 19:25:32 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-1665-gf4cfba6: Show Pan entrances again. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4cfba611bfa 19:25:45 kilobyte: ... 19:26:42 <|amethyst> hm, no 19:26:55 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-1714-g03060e9: libunix: drop now-unneeded "#pragma GCC diagnostic" junk 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=03060e9e48c8 19:26:57 <|amethyst> exit_abyss wasn't notable before that 19:27:06 simmarine: can you bisect? 19:27:49 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 19:28:09 SamB: what do you mean? 19:30:55 simmarine: can you have "git bisect" propose a series of commits for you to build and test? 19:32:00 maybe? i cant remember if i had issues compiling latest crawl in cygwin (im on windows on this computer) 19:33:38 -!- flappity has quit [Quit: ₪₪₪-₪₪₪-₪₪-₪₪₪] 19:38:46 -!- ckyle_ has quit [Quit: ckyle_] 19:42:11 -!- Brannock has quit [] 19:42:23 -!- Brannock_ is now known as Brannock 19:48:17 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 20:10:08 |amethyst: that should get rid of those "unknown pragma" warnings on CSZO ;-) 20:12:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19:46 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all!] 20:20:09 -!- gvdm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:22:33 -!- gvdm has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:23:41 -!- heteroy has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 20:25:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:27:13 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:03 03badplayer02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1715-g9fadcd1: Add Ribbit sewer vault. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 49+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fadcd109c59 20:31:03 03badplayer02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1716-g6494201: Add a Kobold Necromancer sewer vault 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 75+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=64942016d40f 20:31:03 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1717-g45df7d9: Allow delayed_decay to work with , and / itemspecs. 10(39 minutes ago, 8 files, 37+ 25-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=45df7d9174db 20:31:03 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1718-g881850a: Use delayed_decay in sewer_kobold_necro_badplayer. 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 23-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=881850a45f46 20:34:50 <|amethyst> badplayer: thanks for bugging us about it 20:35:38 <|amethyst> badplayer: as for the ossuary, I'd like to get feedback from more devs. Keep bugging us (also tenofswords/claws if you want some more top-quality advice) 20:35:55 <|amethyst> badplayer: s/advice/feedback and advice/ 20:37:24 <|amethyst> !tell dpeg any feedback on badplayer's ossuary in #7801? 20:37:24 |amethyst: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 20:47:53 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1719-ga7e7698: Document delayed_decay changes. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7e7698612cc 20:50:37 vine stalker (06P) | Spd: 8 (move: 160%) | HD: 12 | HP: 46-75 | AC/EV: 4/9 | 03plant, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 287 | Sp: thorns volley (3d18); thorns volley (3d18) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 20:50:37 <|amethyst> %??thorn lotus col:magenta name:vine_stalker n_rpl 20:50:39 <|amethyst> doh 20:50:39 -!- Giomancer has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:59:19 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:59:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:06:05 -!- ainsophyao has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:36 golden eye (08G) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 7-18 | AC/EV: 0/20 | lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), asphyx, 12drown | XP: 190 | Sp: blink, confusion gaze | Sz: tiny | Int: plant. 21:10:36 <|amethyst> %??golden eye 21:10:40 eye of draining (15G) | Spd: 5 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 3/1 | see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), asphyx, 12drown | XP: 66 | Sp: mp drain gaze | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 21:10:40 <|amethyst> %??eye of draining 21:11:30 <|amethyst> kilobyte: new support for eyeball attacks in monster 21:11:47 giant eyeball (16G) | Spd: 3 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 0/1 | lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(12), asphyx, 12drown | XP: 3 | Sp: paralysis gaze | Sz: Medium | Int: plant. 21:11:47 %??giant eyeball 21:11:54 ghost moth (06y) | Spd: 12 | HD: 13 | HP: 52-90 | AC/EV: 8/10 | Dam: 1805(drain dexterity), 1805(drain dexterity), 1208(nasty poison) | fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(104), 02cold, 03poison | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1695 | Sp: mp drain gaze | Sz: Large | Int: insect. 21:11:54 <|amethyst> %??ghost moth 21:12:11 air elemental (15E) | Spd: 25 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-47 | AC/EV: 2/18 | Dam: 15 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 11elec+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 12wind, 04napalm | XP: 223 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 21:12:11 <|amethyst> %??air elemental 21:12:37 <|amethyst> (making sure the submersion didn't break anything; it's handled by the same function) 21:14:08 chimera (giant eyeball, golden eye, ghost moth) (06H) | Spd: 8 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-24 | AC/EV: 0/1 | Dam: 1802(drain int) | !sil | Res: 06magic(12), 02cold, 03poison, asphyx, 12drown | XP: 12 | Sp: blink, confusion gaze, mp drain gaze, paralysis gaze | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 21:14:08 <|amethyst> %??giant eyeball-golden eye-ghost moth chimera 21:14:41 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:44 -!- alefury has quit [] 21:14:45 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 21:18:41 -!- Amy has quit [Quit: ₪₪₪-₪₪₪-₪₪-₪₪₪] 21:20:17 -!- Amy has quit [Client Quit] 21:20:43 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: brb] 21:21:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:22:02 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23:23 Latest bad idea: http://sprunge.us/QGLU 21:23:59 i like the boris thing 21:24:11 That's exactly why I thought of this in the first place <_< 21:24:40 brb registering the borisscumming username 21:30:05 BorisRobin: You have to kill Boris 27 times, no more, no less. 21:30:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:27 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:32:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:35:06 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:18 -!- heteroy has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:53:52 -!- gvdm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:55:09 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:57:26 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:58:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:59:33 -!- gvdm has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:06:18 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:57 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:13:53 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:16:39 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:28:17 -!- nixor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:28:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:44 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:52 -!- sorta-noob has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:01 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:36:03 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:37:23 hm 22:37:26 http://sprunge.us/VKWH 22:37:49 (sort of similar to my earlier work on the subject, but less dependent on external changes) 22:39:08 I just ran into an issue I think might be new. I just installed 0.13.1 tiles deb on the ubuntu 14.04 daily build.... it seems the dejavu fonts are no longer included and the crawl .deb does not list them as dependancies. It crawl crashes until the fonts are installed, then it's great. 22:39:37 -!- Amy has quit [Quit: ₪₪₪-₪₪₪-₪₪-₪₪₪] 22:43:25 <|amethyst> sorta-noob: crawl-tiles depends on fonts-dejavu-core | ttf-dejavu 22:43:39 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:50:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:59:46 unknown monster: "elemental eelspring" 22:59:46 <|amethyst> %?? elemental eelspring 23:02:51 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:10 Unknown spell name: 'summon eel' in 'summon_eel' 23:05:10 %??elemental wellspring name:elemental_eelspring spells:summon_eel 23:05:12 <_< 23:13:09 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:15:05 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!] 23:25:22 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:09 |amethyst: The point is that the official .deb doesn't seem to list it, since apt didn't install them. I had to figure out reading the crash log what happened and manually install the fonts. It should have been automatic. I'd guess nobody noticed because the fonts were always there before. 23:26:27 <|amethyst> sorta-noob: the deb from where? 23:26:34 <|amethyst> sorta-noob: from our site or from ubuntu? 23:26:42 crawl.devels.org 23:27:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:29:20 <|amethyst> sorta-noob: hm, 0.13.1-0~1 from crawl.develz.org/debian/ also lists that dependency 23:29:32 hmmmm 23:29:58 -!- axle has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:30:51 Well, I dunno then..... 23:30:58 <|amethyst> how did you install it exactly? 23:31:14 added repository and key 23:31:19 amethyst: anything you plan on adding/removing/changing to ring in 2014? 23:31:26 then apt-get install 23:32:03 <|amethyst> what did you apt-get install exactly? 23:32:37 exact command line? 23:32:41 <|amethyst> yeah 23:33:26 sudo aptitude install crawl-tiles 23:33:34 yeah I install aptitude... 23:33:36 <|amethyst> hm, yeah, that should have worked 23:33:55 I'm kinda stuck on it even though it's not around anymore 23:34:06 <|amethyst> could you pastebin the output of aptitude show crawl-tiles 23:34:13 ok 23:34:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:35:48 http://pastebin.com/0qShjkdN 23:36:21 <|amethyst> hm... it's right there at the end of the dependencies 23:36:22 I see them 23:36:33 -!- RBrandon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:36:35 So it's clearly NOT missing from package info 23:37:09 maybe I need to look at aptitude behavior.... should have installed them 23:37:34 it IS 4 months pre release.... lol 23:37:59 I was just sure I had the answer, and went off too soon... :) 23:38:51 I evern purged it and reinstalled when it crashed the first time 23:39:17 <|amethyst> and which font package was it that you installed to fix it? 23:39:19 I'm gonna do that again 23:39:26 <|amethyst> was it fonts-dejavu-core or something else? 23:39:39 can I ask dumb dev questions in here? 23:39:47 I had to install both 23:40:04 <|amethyst> both -core and -extras? 23:40:25 I found them NOT by looking here , but by seeing the dejavu font missing error and just searching them and installing 23:40:38 I did both 23:40:47 not sure I needed both 23:40:50 <|amethyst> hm 23:41:12 <|amethyst> sorta-noob: talk to kilobyte when you see him around; he's one of the maintainers of the debian package 23:41:26 <|amethyst> johnstein: yes 23:41:26 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:41:40 <|amethyst> johnstein: assuming it's at least tangentially related to crawl development :) 23:41:57 you can also ask smart questions 23:43:17 |amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/2520829 - something like this might help on CAO, but I can't figure out a way to test at all, so it's probably horribly wrong 23:43:26 heh. basically I was wondering how crawl handles the dungeon gen and whether it could be possible to make it generate the same layout for all players on a server 23:43:36 -!- ebarrett has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:43:37 kinda like a sorta spelunky daily challenge 23:44:01 there is a bug report pondering that question 23:44:11 talking with a few friends at my gaming site, sounded like an interesting idea, even if philosophically, the sprints kinda already serve that purpose 23:44:32 IIRC. "could be done, but would need some non-trivial changes" 23:44:32 to my question, Medar? 23:44:37 yes, let me see if I can find it 23:44:57 <|amethyst> you'd have to pre-generate all the levels 23:45:08 <|amethyst> it wouldn't be enough to just use the RNG seed 23:45:08 someone said they thought that each D level was generated as you entered the floor, so after D1, the games would diverge 23:45:13 <|amethyst> right 23:45:18 yea. that was kinda what he was saying 23:45:20 <|amethyst> you could pre-generate them all in wizmode 23:45:35 then just copy the save file for each player? 23:45:39 <|amethyst> yeah 23:45:50 is it just a matter of renaming the file to the player username? 23:45:50 <|amethyst> you'd have to do a little bit of save editing to make the names different 23:45:59 <|amethyst> and to turn off wizmode 23:46:14 <|amethyst> also, timed portals probably wouldn't work properly 23:46:26 <|amethyst> and you would lose the free turn the first time you visit a level 23:46:27 if I poke around the wiki, will I find some help on the save file format? 23:46:36 hmm 23:46:40 <|amethyst> probably not 23:46:52 what sort of save editing would you have to do? 23:47:01 <|amethyst> I don't know if there's a simple way to rename the user 23:47:07 ok 23:47:09 <|amethyst> one possibility: 23:47:32 Ok, I have no clue how to find that bug report. But it exists! 23:47:36 <|amethyst> use crawl -edit-save username get D:1 d1.chunk and repeat for every level 23:47:57 <|amethyst> (from the wizmode save that visited every level) 23:48:12 <|amethyst> then crawl -edit-save newgame put D:1 d1.chunk 23:48:21 <|amethyst> (and for all the other levels) 23:48:29 <|amethyst> but that's probably problematic for a few reasons 23:48:57 <|amethyst> for one, overwriting D:1 after the game has started means the player is at the wrong place 23:49:40 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 23:49:47 <|amethyst> probably in the long run it would be easier to hack crawl to support what you want rather than hacking saves 23:50:05 heh 23:50:10 ty for the brainstorming 23:50:52 I'm probably not capable of doing it myself, but I'll probably try to poke around a bit 23:51:33 <|amethyst> Medar: I remember seeing that on mantis, too 23:52:05 <|amethyst> %bug 1001 23:52:05 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=1001 23:52:39 Nice 23:52:42 That was fast 23:52:49 <|amethyst> I did a search for 'seed' 23:53:07 <|amethyst> with Hide Status: none 23:54:02 wow, like you said, that's exactly what I was asking 23:58:37 <|amethyst> hm 23:58:52 <|amethyst> I was thinking, what if we used a third RNG state 23:59:05 <|amethyst> and gen levels from that 23:59:18 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:59:19 <|amethyst> but that wouldn't be consistent if you take a shaft and generate levels out of order