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*.split] 09:37:52 -!- ekix has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:41:20 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:04 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:43:22 -!- buki_ is now known as buki 09:43:49 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:14 -!- Kaput has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:48:34 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:51:11 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 09:53:19 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:04 it's pretty funny to read the crawl-ref-discuss ziggurat discussion as the person responsible for buffing zigs several times, including a big push on the earliest floors somewhat recently 09:57:04 tenofswords: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:57:35 "ah, yes, I am missing rPois before taking on Snake:5, I think I'll go fight a killer klown" 10:00:26 "a curse skull and a killer klown on zig:1" 10:01:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:56 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:03 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:20:57 lol 10:21:35 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:59 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:23:19 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:30:27 -!- Surr_ is now known as Surr 10:33:45 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:35:34 -!- dondy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:38:33 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:43:45 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:32 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:22 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:46:42 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:48:10 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 10:53:28 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1677-gc2680e7: Change a 0 to nullptr (SamB) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c2680e791fb4 10:54:40 !tell ontoclasm How about something like this for bastard sword? http://i.imgur.com/B0b82J9.png 10:54:41 buppy: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 10:56:34 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:02 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59:40 -!- myrmidette has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:43 -!- Hailley has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:18 buppy: looks good, but has the same issue as the claymore; it'll be confused with a longsword 11:02:18 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:02:45 we should find some distinctive thing to add to it 11:03:01 maybe a hilt like this: http://i.imgur.com/P3c0a.gif 11:03:07 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:03:38 * tenofswords mumbles about an easy distinctive thing being multiple blades 11:03:39 * Sequell also mumbles about an easy distinctive thing being multiple blades 11:04:09 ontoclasm: I'll fiddle around with it some more 11:04:18 thanks for making these by the way 11:04:47 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:04:57 it's fun 11:05:41 another possibililty would be having a line of color down the fuller 11:05:46 like the currently-installed one does 11:06:15 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:51 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.1-20-gf50ca03 11:07:26 it doesn't help that "bastard sword" basically means "sword that's kind of big and/or strangely-contructed maybe?" 11:07:51 "but not -that- big or -that- strange" 11:09:02 <|amethyst> and in other uses "long sword" and "bastard sword" mean the same thing 11:09:16 <|amethyst> and in *other* uses, "long sword" is 2H and "bastard sword" is 1.5 11:09:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:30 people are bad at naming swords 11:09:44 rename long sword to "middle sword" 11:09:50 <|amethyst> and what makes something a broadsword? Having a basket hilt 11:09:59 "what should we call this sword?" "well, it's kind of... long" 11:10:11 rename bastard sword sabre 11:10:11 * tenofswords mumbles some more 11:10:17 since apparently those are long blades now 11:10:53 BATTLESWORD 11:10:54 <|amethyst> wheals: that doesn't help the sabre vs scimitar issue :P 11:11:13 remove scimitar, put long sword in its slot 11:11:29 then put scimitar in bastard sword's slot 11:11:42 do we really need five 1h lblades? 11:11:53 * tenofswords mumbles further 11:12:50 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1677-gc2680e7 (34) 11:13:01 swordchat.txt 11:13:12 ##sword-dev 11:13:25 -!- djanatyn has quit [*.net *.split] 11:13:25 -!- greensnark has quit [*.net *.split] 11:13:26 -!- joosa has quit [*.net *.split] 11:13:51 i like swords. 11:13:56 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:33 -!- joosa has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:42 http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/comics/00000394.jpg 11:15:15 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:18 clearly we need to add rapiers 11:15:33 only western sword there not in the game 11:15:40 -!- nixor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:16:53 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:18:05 the best sword, though, is this one: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Antique_samurai_shinto_nagamaki_2.jpg 11:18:21 look at that thing, it's ridiculous 11:18:21 I thought rapiers were longer than that diagram in that comic 11:18:37 like, they are really long, thin swords for stabbing people 11:18:38 maybe rapiers can be cutlasses 11:19:03 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:19:15 or we can replace capns cutlass with "Rapscallion's Rapier" unrand 11:19:23 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:21:36 boatswain's barong 11:22:03 scoundrel's scimitar 11:23:26 * geekosaur considers countering with fool's foil, which stabs for about 1hp 11:25:32 "often spiritualised and glorified, they also serve as a physical metaphor for bikeshedding's eternal, savage thirst for destruction" 11:26:23 -!- floatboth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:31:20 -!- Hailley has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:43 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:03 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:33:17 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 11:34:13 evilmike: there are many kinds of rapier, the weapon changed a lot over the centuries 11:38:15 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:39:37 -!- bmfx_ is now known as bmfx 11:40:29 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 11:42:19 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:43:45 -!- gvdm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:46:28 -!- pelotron has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:48:42 ontoclasm: here are some small variations: http://i.imgur.com/cigzctS.png Any thoughts? 11:49:14 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:43 -!- gvdm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:52:05 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:52:27 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:55:24 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 11:57:32 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:59:19 buppy: i think i like 7 the best 11:59:25 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:59:44 -!- lobf_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:59:50 how about: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/bastard.png 12:00:05 just lengthened the hilt a bit and added the little line down the middle 12:00:19 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:21 that looks good 12:00:26 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:59 would you like me to make the variations? 12:01:29 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1678-g33943c6: Don't talk about Finesse for dwants of Oka. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=33943c6af0bc 12:01:31 -!- Lantell has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:01:31 -!- Guz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:01:47 ontoclasm: which variations? the runed ones? 12:01:52 yeah 12:02:01 runed/art/(blessed) 12:02:14 you can if you want! if not, I can do them 12:02:41 -!- codehero has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:03:00 i don't mind, it'll give me something to do xD 12:03:06 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:11 sure 12:08:53 -!- OneEyedJack has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:11:09 -!- neuwiz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:11:10 -!- Napkin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:11:20 -!- Napkin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:30 ontoclasm: here's a player doll version: http://i.imgur.com/YqjdJK4.png 12:11:53 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:11:55 thanks 12:13:31 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1679-g9ad3538: Don't list other abilities that are perma-useless for Fo, either. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9ad3538a1ac7 12:13:31 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1680-gdbebbfd: Don't announce or list on the god help screen abilities unusable by Fo. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbebbfd3a6f3 12:13:59 * kilobyte ponders adding a broadsword unrand just so your tile distinctiveness problems are even worse. :þ 12:14:18 :U 12:14:37 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:17:43 -!- omnirizon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:18:15 <|amethyst> kilobyte: since we now have precedent for unrands with weird slot requirements: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pata_(sword) 12:18:40 weird slot reqs? 12:18:47 <|amethyst> Eronarn: Lear's 12:18:56 <|amethyst> Eronarn: or in this case, weapon + gloves 12:19:15 -!- omnirizon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:19:20 when did lear's get changed 12:19:42 <|amethyst> %git Boost Lear's 12:19:42 Could not find commit Boost Lear's (git returned 128) 12:19:47 <|amethyst> %git :/Boost Lear's 12:19:47 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-640-g8e9f254: Boost Lear's by +28 AC, DEX+3, +CAST, -Curse. 10(8 months ago, 6 files, 72+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e9f254daf4e 12:20:46 huh, weird. 12:21:12 <|amethyst> another neat weapon (not sure it it would be M+F or blades): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urumi 12:21:14 it being a multi-slot item caused so many troubles that in hindsight I'd say it wasn't worth it 12:21:17 ??lear's hauberk 12:21:17 lear's hauberk[1/1]: +27 chain mail that prevents you from wearing any other armour except cloaks and shields. Slots it takes are considered covered for the purposes of acid splashes and Ashenzari. 12:21:58 Eronarn: the commit message is misleading. Take its old stats: -1 AC, DEX-3 -CAST +Curse, and add up. 12:22:43 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:25:56 i guess i just don't get why lear's, of all things 12:26:17 <|amethyst> Eronarn: it was part of a general push to remove bad unrands 12:27:13 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:27:23 <|amethyst> since with them being pre-identified (or, earlier, having a fixed appearance) there was no reason to ever put it on 12:27:31 <|amethyst> s/ it/ them/ 12:27:56 !send |amethyst robe of misfortune 12:27:56 Sending robe of misfortune to |amethyst. 12:28:27 scrolls of remcurse are too plentiful for Lear's to be meaningful, though 12:28:29 <|amethyst> that would be the alternative, yes 12:28:46 and it came before new Contam 12:29:52 its more cool when items have tradeoffs instead of being plain bad, anyway 12:30:12 <|amethyst> Yeah, I think new Lear's has interesting tradeoffs 12:30:31 |amethyst: uses the average of your skils in lbl and m&f 12:31:13 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: it had better be really good to demand training two weapon skills :) 12:31:19 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 12:33:06 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:37:19 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.14-a0-1681-gdc6548d: Bastard sword tiles (pubby) 10(44 seconds ago, 12 files, 8+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dc6548d80ed8 12:37:37 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:17 -!- chewymouse has quit [Client Quit] 12:39:32 I really like what you did with bastard_sword3.png ontoclasm 12:43:30 hah 12:44:15 it's very anime 12:45:22 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:47:18 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:40 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:00 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:55:31 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 12:55:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:59:36 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:46 !seen tenofswords 12:59:46 I last saw tenofswords at Sun Dec 29 17:25:32 2013 UTC (1h 34m 14s ago) saying '"often spiritualised and glorified, they also serve as a physical metaphor for bikeshedding's eternal, savage thirst for destruction"' on ##crawl-dev. 13:00:02 ok. That's an awesome quote. 13:01:18 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:06:12 speaking of quotes, can you think of something for Ziggurats that involves less justice? 13:07:43 Isn't there some Sumerian literature you can pillage? 13:08:32 I don't know where to look at 13:09:04 mostly because I'm not knowledgeful about English-language literature 13:09:38 Oh right. The Sumerians were famous English-speakers ;) 13:10:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:10:26 Unicode does include cuneiform, but quote files need to stick to WGL-4 if not CP437, which precludes cuneiform :/ 13:10:31 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:28 kilobyte: I hope you don't mind that I replaced the poison quotations 13:11:32 you could also randomly generate a string using those glyphs and it would be about as good as an actual quote :p 13:12:32 the poison quote was not exact anyway 13:12:36 * kilobyte curses Bowdler. 13:18:11 kilobyte: I have a partial 'fix' for fraying nets. Did you want to go ahead and remove floor items? 13:18:43 <|amethyst> "And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth." 13:18:54 too obscure a source 13:18:58 <|amethyst> :P 13:19:26 yet another E2M8 reference 13:19:50 * tenofswords waves hello to bh 13:20:27 bh: that's just some idle musings, actually refactoring that would require some work 13:21:02 floor items as in, random items placed on the floor on level generation? why would you remove those? 13:21:14 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumerian_literature 13:23:05 evilmike: Nah. The weird implementation of nets 13:23:14 <|amethyst> immobile items, bh means 13:23:43 oh, i didn't know nets were weird like that 13:24:14 take a look at the net code. It's lengthy. 13:24:41 why not just make nets mulch on a chance like other things 13:24:42 <|amethyst> "the" net code implies that there's just one place you'd need to look :/ 13:24:43 all that for an item you'll use 2-3 times max in a game 13:25:03 <|amethyst> wheals: there's also the question of how to escape a net 13:25:05 to be fair, it's really hard to find pristine nets 13:25:06 kilobyte: i watched dck net an ancient lich on zot:5 yesterday 13:25:17 usually you start with nets, and the rest are second hand from monsters 13:25:18 wheals: if you want to play a netstabber, we'd need to throw a ton of nets at you 13:25:34 or ossuary net traps! 13:25:53 in theory the way to play a dedicated netstabber was to use minefield cards 13:25:57 i dont think that works any more 13:26:30 maybe all nets could be the same (random) length trapping, and have a chance to mulch on escape 13:27:00 wheals: ie, you'd get rid of net damage? 13:27:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:26 kilobyte: my patch does that 13:27:43 You damage nets when you're trapped, so as not to alter the trapping mechanics 13:27:52 and when you're freed, they either mulch or get set to +0 13:32:21 yeah, i guess bh's idea was what i was thinking of 13:41:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:29 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:48:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:54:43 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:52 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:00 -!- gvdm has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 14:04:00 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:06:05 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:09 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:12:08 Is it a bug that slouch doesn't work on sleeping monsters? 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There's no way you could distinguish between sustab and no sustab before. 18:08:28 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:08:47 Make it more consistent with rF and such 18:09:45 <|amethyst> stand in front of a quasit and estimate whether it's sustab by how much dex-drained you get per time 18:10:03 <|amethyst> s/-drained/ drain/ 18:10:05 -!- ebarrett has quit [] 18:10:05 I think it's only brain feed and necro miscasts 18:10:20 since it only applies when you're drained 2 or more 18:10:20 do tomb to id sustab 18:10:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:11:10 <|amethyst> oh, I misunderstood 18:12:24 <|amethyst> still, it seems like the kind of thing you could estimate stochastically 18:13:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:02 if you can't ID it now, we should just remove it 18:15:40 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:09 remove jewellery id game, you mean? 18:16:41 <|amethyst> if sustab sucks so much that you can't distinguish having it from not having it, I think 18:17:33 That's also an option, but Tomb death curses might be annoying in that case 18:17:47 would it be OP to make it stop all stat loss 18:18:34 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:18:41 %git HEAD^{/sustain}^^{/sustain} 18:18:42 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-1176-g953bfd3: Don't let statdrain from god wrath bypass sustain ability 10(4 weeks ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=953bfd39367e 18:18:45 <|amethyst> wheals: if that also applied to stat drain costs (like XXX) then maybe 18:18:45 any big changes being planned before the end of the year? 18:18:52 %git HEAD^{/sustain} 18:18:52 07Sage02 {MarvinPA} * 0.14-a0-1682-g2c1f11b: Add an indicator and identify sustain abilities on partial protection. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2c1f11bc7a49 18:19:05 <|amethyst> you mean for the next two days? not that I know of 18:19:11 hmm, could have sworn there was a sustab nerf 18:19:19 like 3 days ago 18:19:45 Lightli: I'm pondering removing stats, but that would require quite a bit more discussion than two days 18:20:00 uh 18:20:08 yeah 18:20:13 removing stats would be pretty big 18:20:29 (why would you use demigods or chei then) 18:21:02 effects of stats are either bad for the game (variable carrying capacity, heavy armour str requirement) or easily replaceable 18:22:04 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:22:23 -!- Cryp71c_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:33 -!- amatsu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:22:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:22:52 what would limit heavy armour then 18:22:53 also, there's eight effects that affect wizardry/power that all work in a different way 18:23:13 would it still be possible to hit 200 power 18:23:55 Lightli: I mean simplifying the mess rather than removing such effects 18:23:59 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:03 oh 18:24:35 probably by having some kind of magical slaying: wiz,pow 18:24:57 ring of power 18:25:28 most power effects are currently multiplicative, with two exceptions: 1. skills are additive to each other, 2. INT mods are additive to each other 18:26:03 uhm yeah, that's something using the name for something unrelated 18:26:19 <|amethyst> Ring of Mentality 18:26:23 <|amethyst> to go along with Vitality 18:26:56 Oh 18:27:03 blood is automatically identified, right? 18:27:10 Or rather, !blood 18:27:13 ye 18:27:23 Thanks 18:27:30 Or rather, id'd when you enter the dungeon 18:27:37 about to fix !HW/!Cur ID by monsters 18:27:46 after removing stats, a helmet of intelligence could give +wiz,+pow (but far less than a full ring of wizardry or an enhancer staff), for example 18:28:45 i don't see the advantage of doing that over keeping stats and simplifying systems 18:28:57 Basil: they're the only two potions that get {tried by monster}, right? 18:29:13 Right 18:29:15 <|amethyst> I don't see how you could remove stats without having to replace them with extra racial mods 18:29:32 also put a patch for ?EA/?Rech/?ID on mantis 18:29:34 and how would evasion work 18:29:37 wheals: INT is the only stat that can't be removed without thinking 18:30:04 scroll of retching 18:30:05 yes, how would ev work 18:30:20 <|amethyst> dodging^2 instead of dodging*dex ? 18:30:22 Dodging and size probably 18:30:23 ev is the main effect of str/dex i guess 18:30:25 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 18:30:35 |amethyst: you already have that 18:30:40 <|amethyst> likewise stabbing 18:30:56 encumbrance weighting already _just_ made str mean more 18:30:59 |amethyst: dodging is basically linear: dex doesn't change much over the course of a game 18:31:09 lies 18:31:29 trog 18:31:31 <|amethyst> !lg * won cv~~0.13 x=avg(dex) 18:31:31 |amethyst: only small races give an incentive to raise dodging really, for everyone else str or int are better 18:31:32 2410 games for * (won cv~~0.13): avg(dex)=19.79 18:31:44 what 18:31:46 <|amethyst> kilobyte: are you saying the average starting character has nearly 20 dex? 18:31:55 -!- LogicNinja has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:31:59 <|amethyst> or am I misunderstanding that number? 18:32:01 !lg * d:1 cv~~0.13 x=avg(dex) 18:32:03 98669 games for * (d:1 cv~~0.13): avg(dex)=12.55 18:32:08 apparently not 18:32:11 that is quite a difference 18:32:20 <|amethyst> !lg * won cv~~0.13 x=avg(int),avg(str),avg(dex) 18:32:21 2410 games for * (won cv~~0.13): avg(int)=19.44; avg(str)=21.82; avg(dex)=19.79 18:32:26 <|amethyst> !lg * d:1 cv~~0.13 x=avg(int),avg(str),avg(dex) 18:32:27 98669 games for * (d:1 cv~~0.13): avg(int)=13.6; avg(str)=10.83; avg(dex)=12.55 18:32:28 -!- ChrisOelmueller has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:33 (remember, 12 is the average 18:33:00 its effect is nowhere as big as INT's 18:33:01 i.e. HuAK is 12 everywehre 18:33:36 throwing it out instead of making it mean more is a bit of an unliked idea 18:33:37 Lightli: 12 would be average if sums would be the same 18:34:41 tenofswords: why? It's pretty much "small races get a better effective apt", which can be simulated by putting that in the apt outright. 18:34:45 far simpler. 18:35:09 I am reminded of writing four paragraphs and getting agreement from all but one person 18:35:14 well, you'd also have to adjust for every race's growth 18:35:52 it is simpler and it is also not necessarily much gain in exchange for a lot of pain 18:35:52 high elves also get a better effective apt 18:36:03 -!- SiotWarrior has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:10 ??sid 18:36:10 stat gain[2/2]: Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg sid/2 | Dj sid/4 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo s/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | LO s/5 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu none | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp none 18:36:11 another game, sure, but 18:36:19 hey any one there? 18:36:28 i have a question 18:36:33 wheals: which, again, can be implemented as apt 18:36:58 mm, true 18:37:10 wheals: dex has no such strong reasons for removal as str, but simplifying stuff is still good 18:37:12 you are interrupting a terrible argument so go ahead 18:37:14 quickly 18:37:14 would you also remove levels? 18:37:24 very quickly 18:37:48 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1683-g3564cdc: Generate rods of striking as same maxmp as other rods. 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3564cdc4e879 18:37:48 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1684-g1d962ef: Drop MUT_SLOW and MUT_FAST as random mutations. 10(63 minutes ago, 5 files, 12+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1d962ef99c5e 18:37:50 since then just hp and mp really rely on it, and those are also skill-based! 18:38:25 -!- Bodrick has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:38:27 wheals: quite a number of other stuff like magic resistance, stealth, etc, too 18:38:46 well stealth should definitely rely on skill instead 18:38:49 well clearly we just make training enchantments skill give mr 18:39:11 wheals: it would be too easy to focus hp gains, and it would force everyone to train fighting... not that good without far bigger changes elsewhere 18:39:27 isn't the same true of dodging without dex? 18:39:28 as opposed to the bigger changes around 18:39:30 tenofswords: <3 18:39:42 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:42 I still hate these hearts 18:39:45 * tenofswords stabs them 18:40:24 if i drained spellcasting skill xp, can forgetting spell ouccur? 18:40:30 no 18:40:37 hm... 18:40:45 i like that stats add a little strategic choice outside of skilling 18:40:55 and also an unpredictable element often 18:41:24 stats can also be grasped more quickly than lists of apts 18:41:26 (also it was pretty dumb to remove slow movement as a mutation but) 18:42:00 siotwarrior are you looking for reasons why a spell of yours has disappeared and possibly filing a personal bug report if there is no logical explanation 18:42:15 but sometimes my spell removed without my will 18:42:45 the only sources of spell loss should be an invocation of sif and reading a scroll of amnesia 18:42:53 uh 18:42:56 destroying books 18:42:58 ... 18:43:00 and that 18:43:26 ??sif wrath 18:43:26 sif muna wrath[1/1]: ABANDONMENT: 50 penance. RETRIBUTION: -1 extra penance. 20% INT drain, 30% confusion, 20% divination miscast, 10% forget a random spell, 10% mana drain (100 points), 10% cancellation of all temporary magic (including flight!) OTHER: While in penance, all spell casts have a 5% chance of terrible failure (guaranteed miscast, increased severity). 18:43:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:43:34 did you abandon sif 18:43:40 apparently that's another one 18:44:08 no i'am priest of beogh 18:45:20 <|amethyst> !log siotwarrior 18:45:21 50. SiotWarrior, XL2 HuFi, T:228: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/SiotWarrior/morgue-SiotWarrior-20131216-072255.txt 18:45:23 ??amnesia trap 18:45:23 I don't have a page labeled amnesia_trap in my learndb. 18:45:34 ??zot trap 18:45:35 zot trap[1/6]: Traps that can cause severe poisoning, banishment, rot, mutations, and summon powerful demons...you get the picture. When a monster steps on a zot trap, you will hear a distant zot if the trap is in the distance, or a loud zot if the trap is very very close. 18:45:37 ??zot trap[2 18:45:37 zot trap[2/6]: Monsters can invoke the powers of these traps against you by stepping on them. Beware the Zot Dance! 18:45:39 ??zot trap[3 18:45:40 zot trap[3/6]: zot trap turned one of my orc knights into a slug 18:45:46 ??zot trap[4 18:45:47 zot trap[4/6]: Oh no! You have blundered into a Zot trap! The vortex of raging winds lifts you up. You gently float away from the floor. A huge vortex of air appears! You are engulfed in raging winds. You float gracefully downwards. Oh no! You have blundered into a Zot trap! 18:45:51 oh i'm from korea 18:46:06 i play in korea server 18:46:12 [!lg * ckr 18:46:16 !lg * ckr 18:46:17 8557. laserion the Swordmaster (L27 GrBe), worshipper of The Shining One, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-12-29 23:29:10, with 22620141 points after 66704 turns and 13:31:38. 18:46:26 should be logged 18:46:33 http://kr.dobrazupa.org/morgue/trunk/SiotWarrior/SiotWarrior.txt 18:46:33 !lg siotwarrior ckr x=crv 18:46:34 Unknown field: crv 18:46:37 !lg siotwarrior ckr x=cv 18:46:37 49. [cv=0.13] SiotWarrior the Skirmisher (L1 GhFi), safely got out of the dungeon on 2013-12-13 03:55:54, with 22 points after 47 turns and 0:00:36. 18:46:43 // Note: This can happen because of level drain. Maybe we should // force random spells out when that happens. -- bwr 18:46:54 i found it in 0.13 souce code 18:47:13 that note is for spell levels, not spells themselves 18:47:23 In 0.14 is it reflected? 18:47:45 <|amethyst> the comment's the same in 0.14 18:47:57 that comment says that spells are not in fact removed, doesn't it 18:48:17 <|amethyst> right, the comment says that maybe it should be changed so that it happens, but it doesn't happen now 18:48:24 <|amethyst> SiotWarrior: what's a spell that you lost? 18:48:37 control teleport.. 18:48:40 omg 18:48:56 looks like you just missed it :P 18:49:23 anyway thanks to answer 18:51:11 if i have a 0.14 version source code file, i can search by source editor 18:51:19 ??git 18:51:19 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git or http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl 18:51:23 ??git[2 18:51:24 git[2/2]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:git 18:52:17 is there any *.cc file download? 18:52:33 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:39 there are some tarballs i think 18:53:13 <|amethyst> git is the best way to get the source 18:53:17 <|amethyst> ??git 18:53:17 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git or http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl 18:53:20 just for 0.13, apparently 18:53:31 yes, git is recommended instead 18:54:05 gitorous allows you to download a tarball IIRC 18:54:21 thanks to Friendly response 18:55:28 can i report another bug here? 18:56:53 Yes 18:57:39 um.... 18:58:28 first i use summon butterfly and using jumping boots to one butterfly 18:58:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:58:54 can i blink in -cTel arear? 18:59:16 jump is different from blink 18:59:25 you can blink, but not control the location if -cTele 19:00:14 can i jumping to allies not hostile monster? 19:01:35 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:02:03 yes, but that means you are attacking it 19:02:41 thanks 19:07:25 if lava orc's heat reached +15, can't he use statue form? 19:08:51 apparently not 19:09:47 -!- evilmike has quit [] 19:09:51 thanks 19:10:59 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:13:00 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 19:14:15 When my orc follower active Zot trap of polymorph self, i can duplicate equip item of orc 19:14:49 oh, someone else had that problem too 19:14:50 <|amethyst> it's supposed to drop its items when it polymorphs 19:14:52 <|amethyst> hm 19:15:07 -!- Vaporware has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:15:18 ofcurse it is not bad to player 19:15:19 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 19:19:47 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:20:22 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:23:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:39 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:26:19 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:26:31 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:58 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:03 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:58 -!- SiotWarrior has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:37:39 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:40:48 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:10 -!- dacendoran has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:43:30 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:44:43 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:47:46 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow!] 19:48:29 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:56:00 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:58:52 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:01:20 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:59 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:11:50 -!- pelotron has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:13:54 -!- Brokkr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:16:40 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:20:57 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:22:18 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:22:59 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:50 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:40:17 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all! :D] 20:50:35 so has anybody discussed the idea of a rune fee for zigs yet 20:51:22 could store the stuff on zig:14 or wherever or you simply lose a rune if bailing out earlier 20:52:41 -!- heteroy has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 20:55:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 20:59:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:02:35 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:25 -!- axle has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:13:57 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:14:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:15:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:16:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:06 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:01 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:28:04 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 21:28:04 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 21:28:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:34:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:39:17 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:40:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:41:04 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1684-g1d962ef 21:43:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:49:07 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 21:49:40 ChrisOelmueller: you're just trying to make things more complicated for |amethyst, aren't you 21:50:16 (when people ask him to do something about runes that failed to generate ...) 21:51:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:56:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:59:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:41 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:52 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:37 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:08:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:11:52 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: tcjsavannah] 22:12:56 so, when do we set up igrd during load? 22:13:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:17:26 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:18:12 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 22:19:08 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:22:01 -!- Tarragon has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:22 !tell evilmike On netstabbing: the bag of spiders works well in place of minefield cards now. 22:22:23 Nivim: OK, I'll let evilmike know. 22:24:53 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:25:53 -!- alefury has quit [] 22:27:24 <|amethyst> SamB: load_level -> link_items 22:28:15 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:28:25 SamB: i'm not looking at design from code standpoint, but given how much weird code there is in crawl i don't think it's unreasonable effort to make the above happen and work 22:28:57 <|amethyst> put the sixteenth rune at the bottom 22:29:01 ChrisOelmueller: I'm talking about from a "nice admin who wants to help players with the aftermath of bugs" 22:29:01 <|amethyst> charge one rune to enter 22:29:05 standpoint 22:29:22 well there's the thing where you don't test new potentially game-breaking stuff by pushing it to master then going on vacation 22:29:59 well, yes, but even so there can be a number of players who get bitten by a bug before the fix is fully deployed, even on cszo 22:30:03 <|amethyst> SamB: easy enough to deal with, just track how many runes they have ever gotten in addition to how many they current have 22:30:25 so, basically track what runes they have + how many they've payed for stuff 22:30:54 and somehow they can both have and have payed a rune ... 22:31:12 <|amethyst> if they get it back at the midway point 22:31:51 <|amethyst> but anyway, it should be easy enough to tell whether a rune was not generated or whether it was spent 22:32:09 <|amethyst> and if it's not done in a way that lets you tell that, it's a problem 22:32:24 <|amethyst> doesn't even have to be that detailed 22:32:36 <|amethyst> just keep the total number in num_runes 22:33:11 <|amethyst> err, I guess that's just a scores field 22:35:00 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:01 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:37:02 hmm, I'm pretty sure this link 22:37:32 ... this link_items() call should be in the "case TAG_LEVEL:" stuff in tags.cc ... 22:42:18 <|amethyst> SamB: as in, before tag_read_level_tiles ? 22:42:28 precisely 22:42:39 because that can call into lua ... 22:43:02 <|amethyst> ahhhh 22:43:08 <|amethyst> that explains Sky's bad item 22:43:08 for some reason 22:43:28 <|amethyst> !lm sky crash -log 22:43:29 103. Sky, XL1 HuFi, T:16 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Sky/crash-Sky-20131227-142613.txt 22:43:39 <|amethyst> well, one of them 22:43:42 <|amethyst> not that one 22:43:48 <|amethyst> !lm sky crash -9 -log 22:43:48 95. Sky, XL1 HuFi, T:2 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Sky/crash-Sky-20131227-142447.txt 22:44:04 yeah, I started looking at this because of a few crashes he had some days back ... 22:45:50 -!- heteroy has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 22:46:18 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:37 <|amethyst> given that the only call to tag_read() with TAG_LEVEL as the tag_id is from load_level -> _restore_tagged_chunk, and that link_items doesn't depend on any tiles stuff, I don't see any reason not to make the change 22:46:52 <|amethyst> just make sure it's after tag_read_level_monsters 22:47:41 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:48:03 "+unpleasant side-effects, up to and direct damage from further attribute loss," 22:48:09 "up to and direct"? 22:48:30 <|amethyst> was "up to and including" in the previous revision 22:50:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:56 -!- dacendoran has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:52:27 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:53:16 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:39 hmm, "the bloody mosnter"? 22:54:44 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:54:48 %git eaf92df6b4e7446e7ea390744c562f6b804987bf 22:54:48 07bh02 * 0.14-a0-1648-geaf92df: Change Potion of Poison Quotations 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 12+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=eaf92df6b4e7 22:55:05 when i !told bh he kinda ignored it 22:55:06 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:55:09 so feel free to fix 22:56:04 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:04:23 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:06:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:29 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:12:19 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:13:13 -!- Tarragon is now known as Basil 23:15:41 -!- ufd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:16:16 -!- Aarinfel has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:17:30 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:17:51 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-1685-g0be786f: link_items() *before* tag_read_level_tiles() to avoid Lua crashes ... 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0be786fb0d56 23:17:51 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-1686-g0e827d1: Fix spelling in "potion of poison" quote 10(77 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0e827d113ce6 23:18:12 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:18:14 -!- noop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:20:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:17 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:21:44 !tell Sky you should have slightly less problems with looking at items in your autopickup hooks now ... 23:21:44 SamB: OK, I'll let sky know. 23:22:04 !tell Sky %git 0.14-a0-1685-g0be786f 23:22:04 SamB: OK, I'll let sky know. 23:22:29 you're missing between five and twenty-seven underscores for this message to reach anyone 23:22:35 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:22:47 hmm, you've a point 23:22:51 sky.* 23:23:13 though that's a slight exageration 23:23:34 ??sky 23:23:34 sky[1/12]: I last saw sky______ at Mon Oct 10 17:00:50 2011 UTC 23:23:37 maybe i should make it easier to tell bolts/arrows apart 23:23:53 ...and also stones/sling bullets 23:31:20 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 23:32:49 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Say What?] 23:33:53 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:33:58 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 23:34:17 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:34:31 Never had a problem with that personally 23:39:53 isn't that what Ctrl-F is for 23:40:28 that's not the point at all 23:40:28 well i doubt anybody's really identifying them by sight 23:40:39 mostly they just get autopickup'ed 23:40:44 but it's the principle of the thing 23:40:52 the really annoying thing is large rocks anyways 23:41:02 because they look like artefacts? 23:41:10 aye 23:41:18 yes that is annoying 23:41:22 somebody said they should be lightgrey 23:41:25 hi 23:41:32 lightgrey is a great color 23:41:33 probably that guy 23:44:12 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:19 !seen dpeg 23:44:19 I last saw dpeg at Tue Dec 24 03:31:36 2013 UTC (6d 2h 12m 43s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Lost terminal'. 23:45:05 bh: fixed your mosnter 23:45:13 which one? 23:45:25 - scourge, the bloody mosnter, that defiles innocence, dethrones 23:46:49 oops. thanks 23:50:15 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:55:54 -!- noop1 has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:56:08 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:57:59 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:59:38 +unpleasant side-effects, up to and direct damage from further attribute loss, 23:59:50 * SamB wonders how that should be fixed 23:59:51 * Sequell also wonders how that should be fixed