00:00:40 !lm * uniq=sigmund recent s=place% 00:00:42 43367 milestones for * (uniq=sigmund recent): 11293x D:3 (26.04%), 10940x D:2 (25.23%), 6567x D:4 (15.14%), 5708x D:5 (13.16%), 4838x D:6 (11.16%), 3891x D:7 (8.97%), 34x D:1 (0.08%), 18x D:8 (0.04%), 13x D:9 (0.03%), 11x Vaults:4 (0.03%), 10x Vaults:3 (0.02%), 9x Vaults:2 (0.02%), 7x Vaults:1 (0.02%), 7x Abyss:1 (0.02%), 5x D:10 (0.01%), 4x Lair:7 (0.01%), 3x D:11 (0.01%), 3x Lair:4 (0.01%), 2x T... 00:02:21 !lg * killer=sigmund place=d:10 -log 00:02:22 No games for * (killer=sigmund place=d:10). 00:02:30 !lg * killer='sigmund' place=d:10 -log 00:02:31 No games for * (killer=sigmund place=d:10). 00:02:45 !lg * kaux=sigmund place=d:10 -log 00:02:45 No games for * (kaux=sigmund place=d:10). 00:02:53 !lg * ckiller=sigmund place=d:10 -log 00:02:54 No games for * (ckiller=sigmund place=d:10). 00:03:36 anyways, who died to sigmund on d:10 00:03:44 nobody? 00:03:51 5 00:03:56 !lg * sigmund recent s=place 00:03:57 14885 games for * (sigmund recent): 9888x D:2, 3747x D:3, 797x D:4, 247x D:5, 90x D:6, 75x D:1, 40x D:7, Temple 00:04:04 i see no d:10's 00:04:16 SamB's last query 00:04:27 that was killing sigmund 00:04:30 o 00:04:50 !lg * killer=sigmund s=place 00:04:51 73300 games for * (killer=sigmund): 46148x D:2, 19017x D:3, 5019x D:4, 1589x D:5, 656x D:1, 591x D:6, 230x D:7, 32x D:8, 16x Temple, 2x Orc:1 00:05:07 d:8 looks like the highest 00:05:21 lowest 00:05:23 whatever 00:06:11 random question 00:06:19 how come statgains are still randomized 00:06:25 ??stat gain [2] 00:06:25 stat gain[2/2]: Ce sd/4 | DD si/4 | DE i/4 | Dg sid/2 | Dj sid/4 | Dr sid/4 | Ds sid/4 | Fe id/5 | Fo s/4 | Gh s/5 | Gr si/4 | Ha d/5 | HE id/3 | HO s/5 | Hu sid/4 | LO s/5 | Ko sd/5 | Mf sid/5 | Mi sd/4 | Mu none | Na sid/4 | Og s/3 | Op sid/5 | Sp id/5 | Te sid/4 | Tr s/3 | Vp none 00:06:31 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1626-g054e7ae (34) 00:09:53 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 00:12:57 * SamB wishes wield-IDing vampiric wouldn't leave you unwielded ... 00:13:41 Put a prompt to switch back if you're not satiated enough? 00:14:40 that is not as easy as it sounds 00:17:39 SamB: ideally it just wouldn't unwield at all if wielding the new weapon fails 00:17:51 yeah 00:18:08 but I seem to remember that the code is a mess because there are a lot of cases to consider with wielding/unwielding 00:19:14 hmm 00:20:21 49 uses of can_wield, which contains the vamp-wield message 00:21:28 Oh, does attempting to wield !w inscription disarm you? 00:23:13 well, does that kick in on unknown vampiric? 00:23:32 Dunno 00:23:56 I was wondering because that appears not to disarm you, which is what vamp should do 00:24:00 (not disarm you) 00:26:55 oh cool, I found him 00:27:17 * SamB saves to show sister ... 00:27:33 wield_weapon is more complicated than I expected. 00:27:46 I know, right? 00:28:30 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:28:46 / Now we really change weapons! (Most likely, at least...) 00:28:56 Put vamp check before that, problem solved 00:29:49 elliptic: I assume there is an ugly reason why we have not already done this 00:31:01 Well, maybe do a dry-run of swapping to the weapon? I think that's what some targetting or beam code does 00:31:09 although that sounds sort of complicated too 00:31:14 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 00:31:21 yes, sort-of 00:31:40 the problem with treating failing to wield vamp the same as !w is that the vamp is usually unknown when this happens 00:31:54 Alternately special case vamp and satiation into if (!unwield_item(show_weff_messages)) 00:32:04 and probably it should cost you some time if it fails with unknown vamp 00:32:19 (and hopefully it doesn't cost time to try to wield !w weapons) 00:32:21 How much time should it cost? 00:33:13 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:33:15 anyway, as you can see that calls can_wield() about a million different ways 00:33:20 probably the same amount of time it would take to successfully change weapons 00:33:54 Half turn to unwield, half turn to attempt to wield but fail, half turn to rewield 00:34:05 Or don't penalize the failed attempt with half a turn? 00:34:34 Alternately put a prompt in nice friendly capital letters YOU ARE UNARMED 00:34:36 it definitely shouldn't cost 1.5 turns 00:34:41 after you fail wielding vamp 00:35:00 that sounds like a bad solution IMO 00:35:03 yes 00:35:12 Altenately allow inscribing fists 00:35:23 !d 00:35:37 what's that supposed to do again? 00:35:39 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:35:45 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 00:35:47 no-drop, or no-destroy? 00:35:59 prompt before dropping, i thought? 00:36:14 because you can totally drop your fists! 00:36:38 Oh 00:36:55 what happens if you attempt to wield Bad Club {int-6} on a 4 int dude? 00:37:11 Are you disallowed? 00:37:20 actually I'll check 00:37:35 "You strap your Fists to your back and head out for some adventure" 00:38:14 if (!can_wield(&new_wpn, true) || !_safe_to_remove_or_wear(new_wpn, false)) return false; 00:38:34 Swap back to previously wielded thing there? 00:38:53 -!- Nefhilion has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:39:12 pretty sure that's not where this is happening 00:39:39 hmm 00:39:45 if (unwield_item(show_weff_messages)) 00:39:49 Right 00:39:52 that removes it 00:39:56 and if the previous thing fails 00:39:59 rewield 00:40:08 so, we want to track what that was and replace ... 00:40:12 canned_msg(MSG_EMPTY_HANDED_NOW); 00:40:13 (Ideally you note what was the first-wielded thing somewhere) 00:40:17 with an attempt to rewield 00:40:24 except, disto ... 00:40:57 I think disto would prompt, no? 00:41:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 00:41:11 now you're giving me mental stack overflows 00:41:22 A somewhat bigger problem would be to prevent infinite recursion with two vamp weapons 00:42:02 Basil: why recursion? it should never actually unwield the first weapon 00:42:07 -!- NekoRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:10 It does 00:42:18 yes but that is what we want to change! 00:42:19 or at least in my idea it would 00:42:32 YOu have to unwield to attempt to wield the vamp thing 00:42:35 elliptic: you think the final can_wield should be before unwield? 00:42:41 then when that fails (attempt to) rewield 00:42:53 mm, maybe put another bool argument in the function 00:42:58 attempt_to_rewield 00:43:01 I'm not looking at the code but I think it should only unwield the current weapon if it is actually going to successfully make the swap 00:43:08 I suppose we play fast and loose enough with the manipulators that this one more won't make things any worse ... 00:43:16 Set it to false on the first rewield to prevent recursion 00:44:05 like, I understand that the idea is that you have to unwield your current weapon in order to try wielding the new weapon, but this isn't necessary 00:44:19 elliptic: I thought the problem was marching out after attempting vampwield without noticing your weapon was absent 00:44:23 we can throw that out without any gameplay harm 00:44:32 yes 00:44:36 That's happened to me in Zot before 00:44:45 with a weapon that had rF+ 00:44:55 Basil: yes which is why it shouldn't unwield your weapon when it fails to wield the new weapon! 00:45:13 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:45:33 btw, trying to wield a holy weapon on undead/ds has the same issue as vamp 00:45:35 I am unclear on how this is supposed to make time pass 00:46:09 Again with my idea, if you could rewield you'd spend one unwield and one wield 00:46:14 if you could not only one unwield 00:46:23 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1626-g054e7ae 00:46:41 And maybe toss a force_more in the default rcfile for a message produced by the double-fail-wield case 00:46:49 Basil: this sounds way too complicated 00:47:44 First step: Stash your current weapon in some variable 00:47:54 second step: if (!can_wield(&new_wpn, true) || !_safe_to_remove_or_wear(new_wpn, false)) 00:47:54 return false; 00:48:15 change return false to wield_weapon(prev_weapon...attempt_to_rewield = false) 00:48:35 I don't mean to code necessarily, I mean that the resulting behavior is overly complicated 00:48:45 as you can see from needing to add something to the default rcfile 00:48:58 we also have to think about the debugging here 00:50:16 Alternately, shortcut whatever wield checks on the rewield 00:50:29 including vamp hunger 00:50:36 So it automatically succeeds 00:51:01 And no rcfile twiddling is needed 00:51:17 Basil: the problem then is that there are various messages that unwielding/wielding can cause 00:51:46 hmm 00:51:55 you could silence the rewielding messages, but you can't silence the unwielding messages unless you know whether it will succeed 00:54:04 I was thinking of things worse than messages, too 00:54:10 like being abyssed, say 00:54:12 if (!unwield_item(show_weff_messages)) return false; 00:54:51 Maybe just change that to 'if (!can_wield(newWeapon) || !unwield_item(show...))' 00:55:15 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:55:27 and maybe snip !can_wield later in that function if it's redundant with the change 00:56:48 hmm, that might make it instantaneous 00:57:18 I honestly don't understand how instantaneous-or-not is determined here :-( 00:57:40 I'll test it 00:58:48 SamB: well, the important thing is that it should be instantaneous if you knew it would fail 00:59:17 whether it is instantaneous if you didn't know isn't so important 00:59:18 Basil: well, if you're testing stuff anyway, maybe test http://sprunge.us/RJSI 01:00:53 Just a moment 01:00:59 actually, I guess currently it is instantaneous regardless of identification status if you are wielding from empty hands? 01:01:19 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:01:42 if so, it's probably fine to not worry about this and make failure be instantaneous regardless of ID status 01:03:56 ignoring time should make the problem simpler 01:04:28 yeah, samb's patch might just work... I'm not in a location where I can easily compile and test right now though 01:04:36 I made it 01:04:43 About to give it a go 01:05:43 spmo, plain dagger wielded 01:05:58 attempting to wield unidentified vamp dagger took 0 turns and rewielded plain 01:06:35 -!- ekiM has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:07:19 Attempting to wield vamp dagger with vamp dagger wielded took 0 turns 01:07:31 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:07:55 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:08:41 Attempting to wield unidentified vamp dagger while wielding unidentified vamp dagger took 0 turns, identified dagger I attempted to wield 01:08:54 (one I attempted to unwield still unidentified) 01:09:10 Basil: just to check, how long does it take to attempt and fail to wield a vamp dagger while unarmed? 01:09:18 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 01:09:51 and attempting to wield unidentified vamp dagger while wielding unidentified disto dagger took 0 turns, no distortion effect 01:10:06 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:31 0 turns 01:10:59 So that seems like all relevant cases 01:11:40 0 turns whenever you wield, and you never actually unwield the weapon when you fail to wield. 01:11:40 -!- Hailley has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:11:45 sounds pretty good (though maybe there is some weird situation I'm not thinking of) 01:11:52 0 turns whenever you fail to wield rather 01:11:53 -!- NekomimiRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 01:12:53 hm, one issue though 01:13:00 Yes? 01:13:41 if you are wielding distortion and try to wield an unknown weapon and then cancel at the unwield prompt about unwielding distortion 01:14:20 I guess that will identify vamp (if you aren't satiated enough) at 0 cost 01:14:35 Moment 01:15:18 Oh huh 01:15:24 disto doesn't identify when you unwield 01:15:53 it identifies when you wield... 01:15:57 Right 01:15:59 At any rate, 01:16:10 Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) 01:16:10 Really unwield e - a +0,+0 dagger of distortion {disto}? 01:16:10 Wield which item (- for none, * to show all)? (? for menu, Esc to quit) 01:16:10 _Okay, then. 01:16:17 vamp does not identify 01:16:46 oh, that prompt is happening before it checks for wieldability of the new weapon? 01:16:48 that's good then 01:16:55 I was having problems finding it 01:17:10 So SamB's patch should be good to go 01:17:32 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:19:32 oh, that's done through the check_warning_inscriptions() call above 01:19:39 that's nice 01:19:41 Right 01:20:00 hmm 01:20:31 On another note, should penance-causing attacks use the same prompt for normal attacks on allies? 01:23:15 using a different prompt might be better, yes 01:25:18 (my non-race patch on mantis does that) 01:26:52 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 01:27:15 The only issue I could see is if you didn't care if you fell under penance, in which case you'd have to type two or three more keys per penancey attack 01:28:41 is that https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904 ? 01:28:54 Correct 01:30:17 hmm, I can't find an issue number for this wield thing 01:30:50 On second thought, I think I missed penancey attacks with Fedhas; thought he only took away piety for whacking planty things 01:31:12 I'll amend that patch quickly to include this case 01:31:41 isn't it weird that you can detect that a weapon is vamp while wielding a disto weapon 01:32:07 wheals: you can detect that a weapon is vamp while wielding a normal weapon 01:32:15 not strange enough that I'd want to hurt my brain on the code 01:33:29 just seems strange that if you're hungry and it's vamp you'd get no unwield effect, but with any other weapon you would 01:33:45 i guess it's not exploitable, so it's ok 01:33:46 Oh well 01:35:11 yeah, it's not as though stalling by wield-IDing the base type of a bunch of artefacts you somehow knew were vamp-based is actually going to get you much of anything ... 01:35:42 yeah, not exploitable because you don't know that the weapon is vamp (or if you did know somehow then you aren't gaining anything) 01:35:52 so there is the risk of actually unwielding the weapon 01:36:27 or you might as well just use any other no-delay command 01:37:30 one thing that actually bothers me about wield-IDing vamp is that if you are wielding a normal weapon and have a stack of weapons with unknown brands to wield, it is better to not be full 01:37:41 -!- Giomancer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:37:49 so that you won't waste nutrition on vamp weapons 01:38:03 yeah 01:38:23 (only really an issue if you don't want to keep wielding the vamp weapon, of course) 01:38:35 I can't think of a fix though 01:38:54 which if you have a stack of weapons to wield-ID, you don't 01:39:09 usually you get weapons one at a time though 01:39:18 true 01:39:19 -!- Stossel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:39:31 there just aren't enough dang letters 01:39:53 but if you are really not interested in a vamp weapon but are somehow interested in testing weapons for brands, this can come up 01:40:08 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:23 hmm 01:40:35 not a big deal because food is plentiful, of course, so the nutrition lost by choosing a bad time to test out weapons isn't a big deal 01:40:46 but if you want to know the plusses you need to spend that nutrition anyway I guess? 01:40:55 yes, that is the best solution IMO 01:41:06 the only fix I can think of is to make unIDed vamp weapons reveal themselves as vamp and prompt 01:41:11 when you try to wield them 01:41:16 sidestep the issue by making the player go "meh, there is enough food" 01:41:55 though I guess prompting wouldn't be totally crazy either 01:42:00 but I'm not sure if the extra complication/prompt in that case (wielding an unIDed vamp weapon) is worth it 01:42:09 speaking of vamp, i read somewhere that only certain base types can have it. Is this true? 01:42:26 wheals: only certain base types naturally generate with it on non-randarts, yes 01:42:31 Alright, pretty sure I made it so attacks on planty things are also warned for fedhasites 01:42:42 wheals: this is true for most brands, not just vamp 01:43:08 well maybe not most but some others too 01:43:17 speed is the only well-known one 01:43:30 also "none" for gscs and gcs 01:43:45 and quick blades 01:44:31 Oh 01:44:45 qblades can only have brands cheated on like with the cloud mage? 01:45:05 or if you handcraft one I guess 01:46:15 anyway, vamp generates on: eveningstar, morningstar, short blades, long blades, axes, polearms, (demon) whip, lajatang 01:46:29 so basically it just doesn't generate on most maces 01:46:33 or on qstaff 01:46:34 Basil: or kiku, no? 01:46:54 that's probably what he meant by handcraft 01:47:01 That or ?vorp, yeah 01:47:06 trog can also gift a qblade of antimagic 01:47:12 or HW, or disto 01:47:23 for the respective blessings 01:47:30 because antimagic is totally what you want on a qblade? 01:47:42 It works well enough for spbe or something 01:47:44 well sure it is 01:47:51 Quite good on OOF 01:47:55 If you are using one at all you definitely want one around 01:47:55 hmm 01:48:05 aatabtabtab 01:48:11 The orb of fire falters for a moment. x5 01:49:05 i think antimagic is based on damage per aut so faster weapons aren't intrinsically better with it? 01:49:12 pain doesn't generate on short sword, cutlass, great sword, bastard sword, claymore 01:49:25 well it is not better like elec/pain/disto are, sure 01:49:26 i never knew that 01:49:28 wheals: yes (they also aren't intrinsically worse) 01:49:33 fr pain triple swords 01:49:38 fr triple swords 01:49:51 well, it'd only be pain branded triple swords 01:49:53 Oh also, when I work out the Fedhas case for prompt-penance-attacks, should I squash the commits and delete the old version? 01:49:57 fr darth-maul double-swords 01:49:58 really brand generation is just weird 01:50:00 becuase it would be very painful to be hit by a triple sword 01:50:01 from mantis rather 01:50:16 is there any compelling reason that all weapon bases shouldn't just have the same odds for a given brand 01:50:22 other than why bother changing it 01:50:36 besides speed, i can't think of one 01:50:37 (which is incredibly compelling, have to admit) 01:50:44 its kind of weird that is a thing 01:50:46 yes speed and qblade I guess 01:50:49 holy doesn't generate on hand axe, spear, lajatang 01:50:51 but apparently not a thing i noticed very much, besides speed 01:50:57 elliptic: good 01:51:00 that's random 01:51:03 good trivia yes 01:51:07 maybe we CBA to understand why things are the way they are? 01:51:10 well I noticed it for some weapon types, but more going the other way 01:51:11 s??trivia[brand] 01:51:12 trivia[20/27]: all chaos brand effects are weight 10 except for ensnare, which is weight 2 01:51:16 or, maybe some of us can 01:51:22 like holy great maces being (formerly) very easy to get 01:51:23 i mean im sure i "noticed" in some way 01:51:34 anyway yes it would be good to regularize this stuff at least a little bit 01:51:35 i meant more about brands though 01:51:40 and vamp gmaces being very very rare because they were nonexistent kind of 01:51:58 it's not even just which brands exist on which weapons, but also the chances vary 01:52:06 id recognize some brands being more common than others on weapons, but didnt realize for instance short sword pain never actually existed 01:52:10 and the chances are all ugly too 01:52:15 yes (back to the aforementioned holy great maces) 01:52:27 Isn't it weird like it checks individually for each brand until it gets one 01:52:35 basically 01:52:51 wait what 01:52:59 really 01:53:09 if you've ever looked at that code, yeah, it is incredibly silly 01:53:13 and of course very long 01:53:15 i dont know why but i find that really funny 01:53:22 well it is 01:53:39 anyway I think that some brands having predispositions towards certain weapon skills is fine 01:53:40 it is like 1/18 chance of holy and then if not that 1/22 chance of vorpal and stuff like that 01:53:45 the more interesting ones 01:53:58 -!- nubcakes has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:53:59 repeat for every single brand that can be on a weapon 01:54:01 but chances should be the same for different base types inside the same weapon skill 01:54:33 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:54:38 and also all the boring brands like vorp/flaming/freezing should be the same proportionally to each other for all the types 01:55:14 oh yes disproportionate chances are cool 01:55:21 speed also boring except for not existing on most weapon types for some reason 01:55:22 i just find random brands not showing up on weapons is weird 01:55:45 The thing is then how do you decide which ones go with which skill, like do you give short blades an extra good chance to get the brands that are "good" on them 01:56:03 elliptic: or at least not wierdly disproportionate like they probably are now ... 01:56:09 SamB: yes 01:56:22 do you arbitratily give pain to M&F but not so much longblades and polearms 01:56:47 is there an actual design decision behind not giving to pain to most of lblades 01:56:55 SwissStopwatch: you do whatever seems decently balanced and also somewhat flavorful 01:56:57 wheals: no 01:56:58 * SamB remembers some recent commits in this direction 01:57:05 (i.e. in the last few months) 01:58:10 I suspect that the flavor arguments are not that compelling either way, though 01:58:12 the most hilarious thing is that great swords can't get it but one of (only two?) pain unrands is a great sword 01:58:33 doom knight and morg I guess 01:58:40 yeah now that you mention it that is very strange 01:59:08 another weird thing about long blades: only falchion and long sword can get venom 01:59:15 I assume because TSO 01:59:24 wow good reason to go long blades 01:59:24 but then why not just make no long blades get venom 01:59:45 TSO doesn't get a monopoly on them though. Demon blades!!! 01:59:51 anyway I agree that the flavor arguments aren't strong 02:00:08 demon blades do get venom, I wasn't counting them 02:00:24 surely those should be able to get venom just to have the chance of a weapon that is simultaneously very good and very disappointing 02:00:24 oh 02:00:42 well that's what newbrandweapon is for 02:00:44 fun fact, demon weapons never get vorpal naturally 02:00:54 wow x2 02:00:58 also not distortion 02:01:02 wow x3 02:01:04 really? 02:01:04 except they do when generated on monsters 02:01:24 ok, i was sure some hell knights were poking me with disto dtridents 02:01:24 that is stranger, disto is very much a brand that sounds like it should be on dblades 02:01:38 of course.... most demon blades you see -will- be generated on a monster 02:01:42 yes i was about to say 02:01:46 poke poke poke 02:01:53 You are cast into the Abyss! 02:01:55 well, it depends on the monster also 02:01:59 definitely find vorpal and especially disto demon weapons off enemies 02:02:08 donald gets flaming/draining/vorpal/distortion/pain 02:02:19 the vorpal ones are rare even on enemies 02:02:20 good selection 02:02:25 hell knight/maud/frederick/margery too I guess 02:02:31 I very rarely have seen one of those (would like to see more of them) 02:02:34 ??hell knight[2 02:02:34 hell knight[2/2]: 44.4% no brand, 28.9% flaming, 8.89% draining, 8.89% vorpal, 4.44% pain, 4.44% distortion. 02:02:40 but mara gets a brand through normal brand generation 02:02:49 Really attack the wandering mushroom? This attack would put you in penance! (Confirm with "yes".) 02:02:50 hooray 02:02:54 disto mara would be 02:02:57 then again I guess they are all rare compared to flaming, was going to say 02:03:23 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-1627-gbe292b0: Don't leave player empty-handed on unexpected wield failure 10(59 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 18-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=be292b081e7f 02:03:29 mara (and random generation) gets antimagic/vamp/pain/draining/flaming/freezing/elec/venom 02:03:39 btw can we make all cases of pressing y to confirm Y instead 02:03:51 simmarine: it's an option 02:03:56 oh, balrug uses normal brands too 02:03:58 see the guide 02:03:59 well can that just be default 02:04:08 its inconsistent anyway 02:04:13 yes, it is 02:04:24 this is *crawl* we're talking about 02:04:25 since we have yes for zot traps (thats it?), Y for flight, y for !a prompt 02:04:32 theres others of course but those immediately come to mind 02:04:51 yes is also for quit! 02:05:04 I guess simmarine is not much of a quitter 02:05:16 !lg simm boring 02:05:17 38. simm the Carver (L11 DsWn), worshipper of Okawaru, quit the game on Lair:2 on 2013-08-18 18:53:33, with 12757 points after 17691 turns and 0:53:12. 02:05:23 !lg simm boring s=char 02:05:24 38 games for simm (boring): 5x MfSk, 4x HEFE, 2x HuWn, 2x MiTm, 2x DsWn, 2x DDEE, 2x OpVM, MiFi, NaWz, HuFi, DsAK, OgHu, SpVM, HaAM, KoEn, SpWz, DDNe, OpMo, MDCK, DEFE, NaPr, GhNe, HEEE, DEIE, FeBe, DEWz 02:05:26 !lg simm / quit 02:05:26 !hs simm boring 02:05:28 36/1146 games for simm: N=36/1146 (3.14%) 02:05:28 38. simm the Carver (L11 DsWn), worshipper of Okawaru, quit the game on Lair:2 on 2013-08-18 18:53:33, with 12757 points after 17691 turns and 0:53:12. 02:05:34 !hs simm boring -log 02:05:35 38. simm, XL11 DsWn, T:17691: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/simm/morgue-simm-20130818-185333.txt 02:05:41 simmarine is 3% of a quitter 02:05:46 why did i quit that game 02:05:52 oh 02:05:54 !lg . / quit 02:05:54 56/1386 games for SamB: N=56/1386 (4.04%) 02:06:02 !lg . / quit 02:06:02 maybe you really hate komodos 02:06:02 188/1788 games for elliptic: N=188/1788 (10.51%) 02:06:05 mm 02:06:06 wow 02:06:08 * SamB wonders why he quits so much 02:06:09 a true quitter 02:06:13 !lg . !wn / quit 02:06:13 174/1682 games for elliptic (!wn): N=174/1682 (10.34%) 02:06:17 heh 02:06:23 !lg . !wn !jr / quit 02:06:24 92/1550 games for elliptic (!wn !jr): N=92/1550 (5.94%) 02:06:27 ): 02:06:29 "uncannily quitting" 02:06:36 "almost entirely quitting" 02:06:37 !lg . !wn !jr s=char 02:06:38 1550 games for elliptic (!wn !jr): 194x SpEn, 46x DsIE, 23x DDBe, 22x DsMo, 22x MuBe, 19x MiAM, 18x DEFE, 17x KePr, 17x DsAs, 16x MuAM, 16x SpCK, 15x MuIE, 15x KoCr, 14x MuPr, 13x DsBe, 13x TrVM, 11x OpEn, 10x DsWz, 10x DDCK, 9x DsNe, 9x KeIE, 9x MDFi, 9x KeAE, 9x SpWr, 9x DEAK, 9x DEEn, 9x VpCK, 9x HEIE, 9x SpBe, 8x DsAr, 8x MuCK, 8x DEAM, 8x DDHe, 8x CeHe, 7x DsCj, 7x TeSk, 7x DsTm, 7x TeEn, 7x ... 02:06:40 er 02:06:45 !lg . !wn !jr quit s=char 02:06:45 92 games for elliptic (!wn !jr quit): 22x DsIE, 11x SpEn, 5x DsWz, 4x DsAs, 3x MuAM, 3x DsNe, 3x DDHe, 2x NaCr, 2x DDBe, 2x MDAE, 2x DDMo, 2x KeAE, 2x KoCr, 2x DsTm, 2x DsFE, 2x MiAE, NaHu, DEFE, HOAE, MiSt, DDAr, TeSk, DDWr, DDCK, DsMo, HOIE, OpEn, OgHe, KeCK, MuEn, VpCK, HOAM, DEAM, CeEn, SEHe, SpAM, MDFi, MDHu, KePr 02:06:51 only sebi has reached almost entirely quitting 02:06:56 so i guess youll have to explain the dsie 02:07:07 !lg elliptic !jr / quit 02:07:08 106/1656 games for elliptic (!jr): N=106/1656 (6.40%) 02:07:12 I've done a decent amount of Ds scumming for mutations to test them 02:07:19 !lg elliptic jr / quit 02:07:20 82/132 games for elliptic (jr): N=82/132 (62.12%) 02:07:29 why would you quit dear, sweet, jr 02:07:29 !lg . !wn !jr !ds / quit 02:07:29 53/1362 games for elliptic (!wn !jr !ds): N=53/1362 (3.89%) 02:07:34 okay that's more reasonable 02:07:36 wheals: scumming 02:07:44 did they have random starts? 02:07:45 wheals: scumming for 27 stealth 02:07:58 !lm * sklev=27 min=turn x=turn 02:08:01 414989. [2013-06-10 01:14:50] [turn=234] neil the Intangible (L27 DjFE) ASSERT(in bounds(src pos) || src pos.origin()) in 'mon-behv.cc' at line 1027 failed on turn 234. (Forest:2) 02:08:07 !lm * sklev=27 min=turn x=turn !crash 02:08:09 414360. [2013-04-07 03:50:25] [turn=641] hyperbolic the Ninja (L6 SpJr) killed Prince Ribbit on turn 641. (D:5) 02:08:14 good forest at turn 234 02:08:20 wheals: you remember the potion sac thing? 02:08:22 (that was wizmode) 02:08:29 where you would look for Experience 02:08:30 no 02:08:38 i was on break from crawl during jr 02:08:40 you would sac your porridge 02:08:44 awww 02:08:57 basically Jr started with a deck and nemelex 02:09:04 and xom wrath, i heard 02:09:07 so you could scum for experience cards right at the start 02:09:19 since it could be wonders? 02:09:24 yes 02:09:27 !lm * sklev=27 min=turn x=turn !crash !jr 02:09:28 well, you'd average about 3 decks at start 02:09:29 413909. [2012-03-01 15:53:42] [turn=4161] demonblade the Ninja (L13 VpAr) reached level 14 of the Dungeon on turn 4161. (D:14) 02:09:37 since you'd get piety from drawing your first deck 02:09:39 I thought you needed to sac the porridge for wonders 02:09:50 SamB: to increase your chances of being gifted it 02:09:57 oh was that how it worked 02:10:00 but the piety gain came from drawing through the deck 02:10:05 oh 02:10:19 i see, sac porridge to weight wonders, then draw lots of cards to get piety 02:10:56 anyway I got 26 stealth at start like this a few times, then dived and died places 02:11:13 why just sp, because porridge costs more than rations? 02:11:15 (26 stealth was 3 xp cards or something) 02:11:25 well, you could do this with other species too 02:11:29 also the apt i guess 02:12:11 it was the style in the day 02:15:12 -!- vansteen has quit [Client Quit] 02:16:37 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:23:49 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: meyr crimbo] 02:24:38 -!- JServo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:30:46 -!- amatsu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:32:51 -!- Basil has quit 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quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:00:40 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 07:20:55 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1628-gb0c9531: Fix arenasprint wrt Sigmund's xmas rename. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b0c9531a8997 07:20:56 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:50 !lg * Satan 07:21:51 No keyword 'Satan' 07:30:15 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:40:57 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:42:14 sdurant (L7 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:5) 07:42:51 Tossi (L17 DjAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:4) 07:44:04 sdurant (L7 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:5) 07:44:05 Tossi (L16 DjAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:4) 07:45:03 sdurant (L7 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:5) 07:45:03 Tossi (L16 DjAE) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Orc:4) 07:46:22 sdurant (L7 MiFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 211: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:5) 07:50:59 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:06:44 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:18:12 -!- kai__ has quit [Quit: ❤] 08:26:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:10 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:41:02 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:44:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:45:50 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:46 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 08:47:09 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:47:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 08:49:46 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:54 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:49 -!- nht has quit [Ping 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13:19:25, with 87 points after 817 turns and 0:02:14. 09:50:01 !kw santa ckiller=satan_claus 09:50:02 Defined keyword: santa => ckiller=satan_claus 09:50:07 !lg * santa 09:50:07 No games for * (santa). 09:50:21 !killratio Satan_Claus 09:50:24 Satan_Claus wins 20.58% of battles. 09:51:12 hm. I show one death in ##crawl log 09:51:48 !lg * killer=~satan x=ckiller 09:51:48 18. [ckiller=a pandemonium lord] acidapple the Poker (L3 MfGl), slain by Satan Claus (a +0,+0 quarterstaff) on D:2 on 2013-12-25 13:19:25, with 87 points after 817 turns and 0:02:14. 09:52:08 greensnark: ... 09:52:24 well, maybe it's crawl's fault ... 09:52:49 how do I tail a URL 09:53:11 !lg * killer=~satan s=src 09:53:12 18 games for * (killer=~satan): 7x cszo, 6x cao, 5x clan 09:54:24 ??xtahua 09:54:24 XTAHUA[1/1]: A POWERFUL UNIQUE DRAGON, USUALLY FOUND IN THE MIDGAME. BREATHES PAINFUL (3D38) FIRE, BUT VULNERABLE TO COLD. HIS MELEE DAMAGE POTENTIAL IS NOTHING TO SNEEZE AT, EITHER. AT SOME POINT DURING HIS YEARS AS AN ANCIENT AND MIGHTY DRAGON, HE LEARNED HOW TO OPEN DOORS. 09:54:29 * SamB <3 https://dobrazupa.org/patches/henzell-Xtahua-silliness-for-the-learndb.patch 09:54:35 that's a really nice touch 09:55:16 !lg * killer=~satan s=src,name 09:55:16 18 games for * (killer=~satan): 7x cszo (SatanicMechanic, petern, TheProvocateur, sweeks, Meditate, Adamthe1st, Ferret), 6x cao (gpawj, rocky1, Krunkodile, ribbit, arachnotron, DammitJoey), 5x clan (Piginabag, Tolias, acidapple, Duskembrace, M4edhros) 09:57:03 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:07:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:50 |amethyst: you might want to consider splitting your git log/milestone files at some point ... 10:26:45 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:27:08 !tell greensnark Sequell thinks Satan Claus is a panlord ... 10:27:08 SamB: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 10:28:09 has there been any patch for felids in sprint? 10:28:25 I suggest just putting them back at the starting location instead of the current behavior 10:29:43 rast: IIRC they have a short limit on relocation distance 10:29:53 kilobyte: yeah thats the problem 10:30:12 its not enough of a limit, you can still use it to sequence break 10:30:18 rast the Unseen (L5 FeFi), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, escaped with the Orb, with 254282 points after 611 turns and 0:16:32. 10:30:38 and if you make it much shorter you just end up right where you died 10:31:17 it's euclidean distance of 10 10:31:27 what happened in your game? 10:32:03 i made my way to room 12 10:32:12 went to the lower left corner, died 10:32:38 thats zigsprint. i suspect other sprints have problems too 10:33:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 10:33:42 fr: downstairs 10:34:23 I did remember to put multisprint up on a branch, right? 10:34:25 %git multisprint 10:34:27 07Grunt02 * 0.13-a0-2650-g1312370: Allow setting of Sprint's skill XP and piety multipliers. 10(5 months ago, 6 files, 72+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=13123701d801 10:34:32 Good, I did. 10:34:42 %git multisprint^^^ 10:34:42 07ChrisOelmueller02 {MarvinPA} * 0.13-a0-2647-g3c835ff: Prefer `Branch` over `Branch:*` in vault syntax docs 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3c835ff962ca 10:34:44 %git multisprint^^ 10:34:44 07Grunt02 * 0.13-a0-2648-g55afcde: Support for multi-level sprints. 10(5 months ago, 3 files, 47+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=55afcdecd83a 10:35:15 ...actually, this reminds me of a brilliant sprint idea I had the other day which needs multisprint as a prerequisite. 10:35:45 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:37:36 next step: convert zigspring w/o breaking save compat for in-progress games 10:37:54 Well... 10:37:56 %git multisprint^ 10:37:56 07Grunt02 * 0.13-a0-2649-g883d8f7: Make Zigsprint use actual ziggurat code. 10(5 months ago, 4 files, 1332+ 1156-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=883d8f7d3104 10:38:08 That fits the first part, but not the second part <_< 10:38:16 -!- Cedor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:39:00 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:55 * SamB reruns "git log" with -M ... 10:40:05 * SamB was using -p alreadyt 10:42:14 -!- nixor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:42:46 * SamB reads the manpage again since that did not work ... 10:42:46 * Sequell also reads the manpage again since that did not work ... 10:43:26 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:43:56 * SamB tries -C too ... 10:44:30 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:49 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:55:55 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 262 seconds] 10:56:30 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:15 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:00:03 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:45 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:57 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1629-gfbadf60: Fix two off-by-one errors. 10(29 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fbadf600c57f 11:02:57 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1630-gd3bfd29: Drop some redundant lowercasing. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d3bfd2909940 11:02:57 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1631-g4825f5a: Don't spawn multiple stairs in oldest sprints. 10(3 hours ago, 4 files, 7+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4825f5ac645e 11:02:57 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1632-g6d37494: Silence a non-debug warning. 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d37494af96c 11:07:18 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1628-gb0c9531 (34) 11:07:25 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:09:24 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:45 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:14:56 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:02 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:00 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:31 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:30:40 -!- GuraKKa is now known as KurzedMetal 11:31:33 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:17 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:37:30 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 11:39:17 * SamB tries out spectating webtiles ... 11:39:34 I notice there's no help for spectating 11:40:22 SamB, what's there to spectate? 11:40:23 er 11:40:26 get help about 11:40:27 <_< 11:40:55 I thought I'd heard about the existance of some features 11:41:50 like, using options from your rc somehow? 11:41:55 that relate to display 11:44:10 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:44:10 - Blork the orc 11:44:10 - Blork 11:44:14 how ... complete ... 11:44:31 ??sequell 11:44:31 sequell[1/3]: The ##crawl bot, handling game statistics, the {learndb}, and more. Operated by greensnark. See http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell/raw/master/docs/listgame.txt If you want the source for *this bot*, go here: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell (not a typo). 11:44:35 ??sequell[2] 11:44:38 sequell[2/3]: https://loom.shalott.org/userdef.html lists user-defined keywords/commands/functions. 11:44:42 ??sequell[3] 11:44:42 sequell[3/3]: I am full of lies. 11:49:35 -!- Dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:51:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:45 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:57:29 !bug 11:57:29 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6767 11:57:53 * SamB wonders why that links here by default ... 11:58:56 is it because thrallglish is just so nutty? 12:00:47 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:19 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:06:28 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:49 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:51 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:11:17 elliptic: what is this about "!tell elliptic" hidden in the implementation of !rng ... 12:11:17 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:12:21 -!- reaverb1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:15:26 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:16:40 -!- reaverb1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:20:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 12:21:52 -!- Tarragon2 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:03 -!- Tarragon2 is now known as Basil 12:23:59 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:13 -!- dacendora has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:29:45 r??zermako log 12:29:45 zermako log ~ ~zermako_log[1/27]: !lg * race=mu god=fedhas 12:30:13 r??zermako log 12:30:30 zermako log ~ ~zermako_log[1/27]: !lg * race=mu god=fedhas 12:30:36 r??zermako log[] 12:30:40 zermako log[] ~ ~zermako_log[1/27]: !lg * race=mu god=fedhas 12:31:06 r??~zermako log 12:31:06 ~zermako_log[17/27]: !title unseen 12:31:08 r??~zermako log 12:31:09 ~zermako_log[23/27]: i have never seen that 12:33:33 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:34:08 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:12 !seen dpeg 12:34:12 I last saw dpeg at Tue Dec 24 03:31:36 2013 UTC (1d 15h 2m 36s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Lost terminal'. 12:34:20 !lg * killer=satan_claus 12:34:21 20. melchizedek the Covered (L4 FoAK), worshipper of Lugonu, demolished by Satan Claus (a +0,+0 quarterstaff of distortion) on D:2 on 2013-12-25 18:30:45, with 136 points after 1091 turns and 0:05:30. 12:34:23 !seen bh 12:34:23 I last saw bh at Wed Dec 25 18:34:20 2013 UTC (3s ago) saying '!lg * killer=satan_claus' on ##crawl-dev. 12:34:28 !lg * killer=satan_claus max=xl 12:34:29 20. Meditate the Nimble (L7 SpAK), worshipper of Lugonu, mangled by Satan Claus (a +1,+6 quarterstaff of crushing) on D:5 on 2013-12-25 02:36:51, with 793 points after 5195 turns and 0:29:26. 12:36:15 huh. I found another project that uses our style of version numbers: http://sourceforge.net/projects/jts-topo-suite/files/jts/ 12:36:32 gotta hand it to them for going from 1.7.2 to 1.8 and then onward to 1.13 12:37:21 bh: our style being? 12:37:32 you mean the normal way? 12:37:35 SamB: we went from 0.9 to 0.10 12:37:49 ...and? 12:38:02 That's effectively standard these days. 12:38:06 It fails to sort lexographically 12:38:19 hmm, yes, this can be annoying 12:38:52 since how's a file-lister supposed to know that you've got a version number in the middle of that filename, right? 12:38:57 I wouldn't mind if we went from v0.13 to v14 12:39:08 that would not help though 12:39:54 Well, wouldn't you have the same problem when going from version 9 to 10 12:39:55 well, I suppose it might work for about the next half century depending on exact release frequency 12:40:28 As in: lexicographic sorting is insufficient for versioned filenames anyway 12:40:30 but our current scheme doesn't have issues with that *either*, so ... 12:41:41 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:41:53 http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?p=712547#p712547 I guess it's too late to merge the two digits for every tenth version. 12:43:27 0.xx does have the advantage of not looking ridiculously big at the end of the road. 12:44:41 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:46:58 Bloax: every time you redraw monster tiles, they get scarier 12:47:41 -!- pancake_ is now known as Erolcha 12:47:49 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/GiantNewt.png Every time? 12:48:37 your Komodo Dragon is more "eat my face" than the old tile 12:51:13 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:51:27 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 12:51:40 oh yeah bh did the other guys ask you if you could go through the Vinestalker code and maybe make an experimental branch so we could play around with them? 12:52:29 No one had asked me to code review it. 12:52:54 But can you? :p 12:53:40 Bloax: how come you didn't do satan claws 12:54:13 Bloax: I *can* code review it. But I'm holding out for a code review tool. 12:54:24 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:54:38 reviewing things in gitorious and github is fairly suck. 12:54:51 SamB: I think I either forgot or nobody asked me to. (or maybe nobody reminded me) 12:55:18 probably the former 12:55:49 what, we have to ask now? 12:57:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:35 -!- Stossel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:00:50 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 13:01:47 -!- dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:05:30 Grunt: I think this might be workable https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10337 13:05:35 species without skills 13:09:01 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:09:08 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 13:10:26 !messages 13:10:26 No messages for TZer0. 13:13:14 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:15:14 TZer0: oh, hi; clan console works again now :) 13:23:27 -!- Nivimer has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30:51 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:42 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:37:37 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:12 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:41:48 * SamB wonders idly what happens when crawl tries to run gdb on itself, but is already ptrace'd by something (gdb or otherwise) 13:44:05 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:07 -!- punpun has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:49:05 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:49:24 -!- ufd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:51:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 13:56:25 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:57:55 SamB: gdb inception? 13:58:30 We need to debug deeper! 13:58:31 no, ptrace only allows one ptracer 13:58:38 and that would be debugging gdb, not crawl 14:10:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 14:23:06 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30:35 and it's rare that you need to go so far as to debug gdb debugging gdb debugging something else ... 14:33:38 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:34:42 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:19 Shift+Key does not work in skill menu for skills beyond the 26th available by magicpoints 14:37:14 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:38:56 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:39:57 -!- ufd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:40:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:43:15 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:50:38 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:51:53 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:51:57 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:06:46 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:09:59 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:10:07 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 15:13:17 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:14:03 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:21:07 -!- dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:33:59 galehar: I think you prematurely yiuf'd the skiless race thread 15:33:59 bh: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:34:32 bh, swing by Tabstorm's game; people are talking about the abyss <_< 15:34:45 (or were) 15:37:13 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:37:18 -!- Nivimer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:21 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 15:37:41 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:01 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:30 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:54:57 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:55:01 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 16:01:26 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:02:55 -!- dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:03:49 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:04:01 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 16:05:34 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:08 bh: well, it didn't meet any criteria for a gdd thread. At this point, it's just wild brainstorming, there's nothing solid 16:09:41 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:29 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11:43 -!- Brokkr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12:45 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 16:17:02 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:21:07 -!- Grujah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:23:24 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-1633-ga19d258: Remove redundant code. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a19d258bbb9f 16:24:49 -!- sepik121 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:28:30 Trog rarely gifts antimagic giant (spiked) clubs by amic 16:29:31 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:34:44 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:04 MarvinPA: ohhhhh, I just wanted to !tell you about this 16:35:08 MarvinPA: its really funny 16:35:10 Sandman25: Yes, this is why I was asked to stop posting in GDD: monsters are balanced based on Haste. 16:36:01 -!- Barahir_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:36:01 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:36:28 MarvinPA: oh, you already saw it 16:38:40 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:40:55 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:45:53 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:55:27 can I die without deleting the save? 16:59:22 hmm, why does the % screen print commands that would go to other screens in bold, when they are not active on the % screen? 17:01:49 -!- punpun has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:04:20 -!- Hosg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:04:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 17:07:03 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:25 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:31:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:06 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:28 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:39:06 -!- ldf 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http://www.kvirc.net/] 18:14:24 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-1634-g108ffb4: hiscores: log whether killer is a unique 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 14+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=108ffb468b73 18:19:18 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:20:10 -!- Nivimer is now known as Nivim 18:21:14 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:26:44 -!- RZX has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 18:28:58 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:34:07 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:37:15 |amethyst: kilobyte: any comments on my latest push? it adds a field to the log format 18:38:01 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:50:25 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:53:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:56:23 -!- usebees has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:00:46 -!- 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quit [Changing host] 21:14:47 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:20:24 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:29 !seen ontoclasm 21:20:29 I last saw ontoclasm at Wed Dec 25 15:02:57 2013 UTC (12h 17m 32s ago) parting ##crawl-dev, saying 'chanpart'. 21:20:40 -!- bh has quit [Client Quit] 21:23:44 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:41 -!- Raycaster has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:57 <|amethyst> SamB: You probably want to fix that XXX comment but otherwise I don't see a problem 21:26:34 do we ever write those scorefiles back out? 21:28:50 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:29:12 <|amethyst> SamB: I think that's how we insert things into the high-score list, yes 21:29:43 <|amethyst> SamB: currently we use the cached text version of the line when doing that, but that might not always be the case 21:29:48 <|amethyst> %git 1662485 21:29:48 07|amethyst02 * 0.13-a0-2944-g1662485: Correctly add last-place score entries (#2834) 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1662485a73ef 21:30:08 |amethyst: do we include all this info in the regular hi-score lists? 21:30:15 <|amethyst> oh, I don't know 21:30:30 <|amethyst> if it's not in the scores then it's a much more theoretical problem 21:30:43 it's mostly meant for Sequell 21:30:48 <|amethyst> still, it's weird to have one field out of all of them that doesn't survive the roundtrip 21:34:16 you don't think the field name is wierd or anything? 21:35:28 <|amethyst> hm 21:35:45 <|amethyst> probably I'd have called it kflags 21:35:59 it was greensnark's idea ... 21:36:08 <|amethyst> but killer_flags isn't exactly weird 21:36:53 anyway, you can blame santa for all of this 21:37:34 ??santa 21:37:34 I don't have a page labeled santa in my learndb. Did you mean: lantea, mana, sartak, sonja. 21:37:40 ??satan 21:37:41 I don't have a page labeled satan in my learndb. Did you mean: japan, katana, sartak, satyr, stab, titan. 21:37:49 <|amethyst> Why would anybody want to kill Santa Claus? To get all the presents, of course! This creature moves normally. He is always created sluggish. He reflects bolt spells. He is magical, casting spells intelligently which produce nether balls, drain mana, cause brain smashing, cause mortal wounds, terrify, blind, paralyze, teleport away, create traps, cause amnesia, summon an undead, summon greater undead, summon ancient dragons or summon unique monsters; 1 ti 21:38:08 okay, actually I meant Satan Claus 21:38:45 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:40:57 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1636-gacc6684 21:41:03 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:41:48 <|amethyst> I was wondering, did the angband influence come from Linley, or was that the first devteam? 21:42:27 was rather... surprised to find out Eringya's was actually a discworld reference rather than an ancient joke 21:43:13 so how do I convert vector to set 21:43:54 <|amethyst> SamB: set blah(vec.begin(), vec.end()) 21:43:57 <|amethyst> ; 21:44:08 why so verbose 21:45:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:45:28 <|amethyst> so that it works with arbitrary ranges and not just whole collections; that lets it work with arrays, too 21:45:40 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:48 <|amethyst> I don't know why there isn't a convenience template with one parameter, though 21:46:02 * SamB is just sorta wondering why there isn't an overload that does the .begin()/.end() for you ... 21:46:32 <|amethyst> that's what I mean by "convenience template" 21:47:49 I have some internal lag 21:51:11 * SamB grumbles about the verbosity involved, but oh well, at least he doesn't have to write a loop ... 21:51:48 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:54 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:58:42 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:00 -!- Jebus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:01:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:02:38 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:03:49 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:05:32 |amethyst: anyway, how would I *test* this 22:05:50 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:09:37 -!- Ketziah has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:12:29 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:37 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:12:44 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:13:18 <|amethyst> SamB: maybe add something about it to the death message and then check -vscores 22:22:50 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:26:21 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:27:49 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:31:09 -!- JServo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:32:35 -!- henryci has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:50:42 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 22:55:33 -!- bmfx_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:56:33 -!- Erolcha has quit [Read error: No route to host] 22:57:36 -!- eb has quit [] 23:01:18 -!- Dattu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:09:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:10:39 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1637-gd423c14: A small vault batch. 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 146+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d423c14479ee 23:10:41 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 23:12:45 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 23:14:13 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:19:15 -!- JServo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:25:58 Deep Dwarf device recharging can be used with 0 natural max MP by minmay 23:29:39 Well I nevr. 23:31:12 I always thought this was already compensated for. :o 23:41:27 -!- Nefhilion has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:41:57 -!- SpedyRF has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:48:24 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:26 <|amethyst> Bloax: well, taking off a +HP item shouldn't be instadeath :) 23:53:36 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:55:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 23:57:42 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:59:38 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev