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Use !messages to read it. 08:27:50 since that needs to be the case in console anyway, and the actual placement of blood has (minor) gameplay effects 08:31:08 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:31:57 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:36:38 -!- dondy|afk is now known as dondy 08:42:09 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1593-ge7f63ed: Fix snake zombies walking instead of slithering (#7907) 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e7f63ed406c4 08:46:11 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:36 .join #php 08:50:42 D: 08:57:49 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:59:38 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:54 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:02:56 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:19 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1594-g979e23a: Adjust message when Airstrike deals increased damage to flying monsters 10(45 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=979e23a1b828 09:05:57 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:08:33 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:09:53 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:09:56 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:11:50 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1595-g338667c: Slightly sanitize. 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=338667c39ef1 09:11:50 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1596-g8e97f25: Don't claim that weapons of speed are twice as fast. 10(9 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8e97f251569a 09:12:35 -!- pantaril has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:17:51 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1597-gbf2d2b7: Drop some rock worm support code. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bf2d2b7726bd 09:17:51 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1598-g60b2bc8: Get rid of a redundant list of altars. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 24-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=60b2bc85eead 09:17:51 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1599-ga6a76bd: Purge mechanical traps (not done yet: ossuary, sprint, zotdef). 10(3 minutes ago, 11 files, 71+ 93-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6a76bdb4eac 09:21:15 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:24:29 !tell dpeg no one is suggesting removal of the Singing Sword itself nor its enormous pile of lines -- it's just its effect that's bad enough that I think it should be removed and rethought from scratch 09:24:30 kilobyte: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 09:27:28 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:30:23 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:32:13 kilobyte: you're placing a shaft trap on Depths:6 (evilmike_zot_entry_castle). 09:42:42 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:44:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:46:41 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:50:23 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:54:02 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:55:08 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:56:07 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1600-g615f483: Drop mechanical traps from an ossuary. 10(84 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=615f4830b9f1 09:56:07 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1601-g1b957a7: Don't try to place shafts in a Zot entry vault. 10(52 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1b957a7bb9e8 09:56:28 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 09:56:29 !tell dpeg may I rename D entry vaults to "arrival"? Everywhere else, "entry" is the thing outside a branch, "arrival" just inside. 09:56:30 kilobyte: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 10:03:18 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:03:37 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:04:13 That ship may have sailed, but did we agree that mechanical traps have to go from ossuaries? 10:04:13 dpeg: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:04:32 I always thought they make some sense there, not just flavour but also for spatial restrictions. 10:07:03 !messages 10:07:04 (1/3) Grunt said (1d 12h 10m 23s ago): You need more messages :) 10:07:09 !messages 10:07:09 (1/2) kilobyte said (42m 40s ago): no one is suggesting removal of the Singing Sword itself nor its enormous pile of lines -- it's just its effect that's bad enough that I think it should be removed and rethought from scratch 10:07:17 !messages 10:07:18 (1/1) kilobyte said (10m 47s ago): may I rename D entry vaults to "arrival"? Everywhere else, "entry" is the thing outside a branch, "arrival" just inside. 10:07:35 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:10 kilobyte: "arrival vaults" is fine. Should be accompanied with a call to s/entry/arrival/ elsewhere -- the term is used (for D:1 vaults) in many places. 10:17:13 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:50 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:21:09 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:19 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:27 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:35:07 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:42:15 dpeg: one ossuary (ossuary_tomb_2) has mechanical traps deep into its design, others have them mostly on the side 10:42:45 although indeed in ossuaries the stress on traps is far bigger than it was everywhere else 10:43:07 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:43:50 -!- usebees has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:47:43 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 10:49:50 <|amethyst> kilobyte: how hard would it be to re-implement those in Lua based on pressure plates? 10:50:27 could expand the sets involved to compensate for trap removal (buffed flying skulls, lost souls, faster zombies, singular trapdoor spiders, scorpions) 10:53:44 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:57:15 -!- emagenta has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:58:44 |amethyst: there's pretty little code needed to support mechanical traps (as long as we keep other types), so as long as any place has a legitimate need, I'd keep it on C++ side 10:59:01 but whether the need is legitimate or not, that's another question 10:59:36 at least in a6a76bd they all felt superfluous to me 11:17:17 kilobyte: the only situation where mechanical traps matter (imo) is if 1) the player is under time pressure, and 2) the map is small. 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Use !messages to read them. 14:36:41 this can't be good. 14:37:01 never is 14:37:26 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:37:36 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:37:51 dpeg: I think the conversation was probably around removing monster summons and replacing them with bands. Or rather -- have summoners pull up a finite number of dudes who are durable. 14:37:57 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38:35 bands are summons in the same way that ogres are trolls 14:39:02 (finite is a lot better of an idea, of course) 14:44:02 though I think "summons pop when the summoner dies" has shifted the tactical balance well in favor of trying to kill the summoner rather than just fleeing 14:45:25 yes, the combination of abjure on death and summon caps for monsters makes it hard to argue that summoners are inherently bad besides the usual sources of item destruction and overally strategic damage or the very random summon producers (deep elf demonologists) 14:46:04 IMO we should adjust the experience value of summoners downward across the board 14:46:18 I'd also try to buff a few a little 14:46:32 like for example remove lesser demon from said demonologists 14:46:55 to make them spam some kick-your-butt demons instead? 14:47:13 sure 14:50:48 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:52:27 a finite number of dudes means they can give xp 14:52:34 no ugly special casing anymore 14:53:48 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:54:44 -!- eith has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:01 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:18 1kb: Can we nerf djinn already? :) 14:56:49 i think monster summoners are fine. i dont see why removing them is even on the table, with abjuration-on-death being a thing 14:57:30 evilmike: consider all options? I think you're right, though. 14:58:26 not sure why it's an option though. generally something that drastic would be in reaction to a problem in the game 14:58:57 and i think some summoners are problematic (high level enemies that can summon low level crap), but those can be addressed on a case by case basis i think 15:00:50 evilmike: agree 15:03:18 the most obvious example that comes to mind is indirect spam via ynoxinul, which is a really silly monster that I have no idea what to do with 15:04:23 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:42 their iron shot is fairly relevant 15:04:57 their ufetubi, less so 15:07:20 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 15:07:32 mm 15:07:42 Also, deep elf summoners are annoying 15:07:53 hmm 15:08:10 !lg * ikiller~~deep.*summ cv>=0.13 15:08:11 20. Bastard the Shatterer (L16 OgAr), worshipper of Okawaru, mangled by an orange rat (summoned by a deep elf summoner) on Elf:3 on 2013-12-21 12:45:16, with 99725 points after 32304 turns and 3:22:42. 15:08:17 -!- ophanim has quit [Quit: ophanim] 15:08:24 !lg * ikiller~~deep.*knight cv>=0.13 15:08:24 59. KINGBONG the Severer (L13 DsBe), worshipper of Trog, shot by a deep elf knight (arrow of flame) on Elf:1 on 2013-12-22 22:32:17, with 38125 points after 8170 turns and 1:13:54. 15:08:31 !lg * ikiller~~deep.*mage cv>=0.13 15:08:32 83. tsouns the Minotaur Blade (L17 MiAK), worshipper of Lugonu, blasted by a spectral elf (bolt of lightning) (summoned by a deep elf death mage) on Elf:3 on 2013-12-22 16:37:27, with 173358 points after 41043 turns and 3:38:59. 15:08:40 deep elf summoners are quite a ways less common than either of those 15:08:47 -!- jameyd_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08:47 not exactly a good comparsion point 15:08:57 summon vermon is reasonably dangerous, aside from plain spiders 15:08:57 also you have two types of mage there 15:09:04 Right, I noticed that 15:09:11 !lg * ikiller~~deep_elf_mage cv>=0.13 15:09:12 14. Liam the Thaumaturge (L9 DEWz), blasted by a deep elf mage (fireball) in Bailey (bailey_polearm_3) on 2013-12-20 22:22:11, with 2804 points after 6960 turns and 0:22:38. 15:10:54 you know what would make one of the boring 5 demons more fun? explosions 15:11:18 bh: Can we have VS already? :) 15:11:19 give ufetubi a suicide attack that does a 3x3 explosion similar to exploding darts or something 15:11:22 In any case, those summoners have the problem of Elf unto themselves 15:11:25 Bloax: VS? 15:11:27 and let them all swarm you and blow up 15:11:35 a quick check says vermin doesn't place plain spiders anymore 15:12:00 Vine Stalkers. :v 15:12:17 Bloax: is that the MP draining species? 15:12:22 yes 15:12:26 in that if you have any business being there, why do they exist 15:12:48 ask amethyst to host it on experimental? 15:12:52 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:13:20 Like orcs in Orc I guess, but that's slightly different 15:13:21 let's see if radioing over an idea works this time as opposed to the last few times 15:13:24 But why experimental when you can redo the 0.13 trunk routine. :q 15:13:40 Bloax: Fo went on experimental 15:13:53 dracoomega was going to make ufetubi explode... with a stacking slow movement debuff instead of tiny damage 15:14:07 ha. 15:14:20 haha i think he must have come up with that himself, but for a second i was wondering if i suggested it to him 15:14:28 because i have a habit of telling people to make things explode 15:14:40 This game needs more explosion animations. 15:14:49 Explosions are always good. 15:14:50 evilmike: it can't be bad if it explodes! 15:14:53 <|amethyst> if someone looks over the code for reasonableness and sets up a branch, I can put it on cszo experimental 15:15:08 !learn add evilmike i have a habit of telling people to make things explode 15:15:12 <|amethyst> I haven't had time to, sorry Basil 15:15:47 what's the current species count? 15:15:56 No problem 15:16:04 evilmike[4/4]: i have a habit of telling people to make things explode 15:16:13 We're on 28 if we cound the two trunk races. 15:16:15 <|amethyst> dpeg: 27 in trunk 15:16:34 er yes 27 15:16:39 Beware! 15:16:43 (stupid alphabet) 15:16:45 I remain strongly in favor of nerfing Dj. 15:16:49 though I don't want to discourage new races I would prefer some attention to be spared to the two (three) species already on the chopping block 15:16:50 of course 27 is no magical limit but there is a danger of too much 15:16:56 But neither LO or Dj are in. 15:16:56 i dont think dj should exist as they currently are 15:17:07 chopping block, I mean trunk 15:17:42 well they don't make any sense yet so yeah, power level is hardly relevant really 15:17:42 but then again i'd be fine with cutting all of: dj lo fe as they currently exist 15:17:52 i'll hold off on saying anything about fo, i havent played one since a few recent changes 15:18:05 evilmike: IMO we should cut them down to just EP and then think hard about tacking on features from there 15:18:09 I think that Gargoyle and Formicid are very solid, so that it's about fine-tuning (stats, aptitudes etc.). I also think that Djinn has a good conept but it'll need more thought. 15:18:19 bh: yes I fuelly agree 15:18:22 fully 15:18:39 evilmike is still in explosion mode! 15:18:41 VS plays pretty awesomely with a certain playstyle. 15:18:50 LO at speed 10 are a lot less bad than with fluctuating speed. 15:18:51 Which is bumrushing everything to death until it dies. 15:18:55 i think djinn might have a good concept somewhere but it's buried underneath a pile of bad concepts 15:19:12 evilmike: I don't understand LO and Dj (in their current forms), I do understand Gr and Fo. 15:19:30 i didn't say anything about gr or fo 15:19:51 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:20:21 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:21:05 Hm, say - is there any way to make the offline interface look like the webtiles one? 15:21:22 Because I much prefer it to the offline one. 15:22:03 Bloax: you can compile with TILES=anything 15:27:05 I should probably figure out how to compile this. 15:27:14 evilmike: sorry, your list was so long (I even interpreted "as" as meaningful :O) 15:28:19 -!- dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:31:31 -!- DracheReborn_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:31:57 Bloax: you can run a local webtiles server 15:33:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:33:34 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:33:55 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:34:50 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:34:51 -!- wack has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:35:40 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 15:37:41 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:41:56 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:31 -!- slifty|avoiding_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:44:01 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49:12 I just killed a satyr that was fearing by throwing rocks behind him 15:49:52 I find strange 15:50:35 Hm. 15:51:00 (i'm not sure to be really clear, i'm exhausted) 15:51:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:51:10 "The Experience value indicates how much experience has to be earned in order to gain a new level. +1 is the Human standard, and all other species (apart from Halfling and Kobold) are slower." 15:51:41 If Fo are getting in, the aptitude table should probably be updated on just that line. :x 15:52:13 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:47 "Formicids, due to their naturally short lifespan, require even less exp than humans to level up." 15:57:33 haha 15:58:04 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:32 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:04:03 -!- Staplefun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:04:25 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:04:33 -!- Kromgart has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:06:11 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:14 -!- fbafelipe has quit [Quit: Saindo] 16:09:45 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:11:02 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17:43 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:20:37 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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ATTR_NOISES, // A noisy artefact is equipped. 17:46:57 ATTR_SHADOWS, // Lantern of shadows effect. 17:47:09 and you didn't think for a moment that maybe you shouldn't just drop it? 17:47:35 all fields after this one get shifted in saves 17:47:39 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:47:53 ...and you didn't think for a moment that it was just a mistake? 17:48:32 MarvinPA: well, sure, I wasn't going ot claim MALICE 17:49:09 -!- djanatyn has quit [Excess Flood] 17:49:17 * SamB is just puzzled how such a mistake could occur in such close proximity to an existing #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION ... 17:50:14 so is the property just so rare that nobody's had a problem yet? 17:50:34 actually, it's possible to recover: the last time NUM_ATTRIBUTES was increased was when the minor tag was different from the current one 17:50:57 cool 17:50:57 wheals: every single attribute after this is affected too 17:51:28 (solution, recode away from enums) 17:52:22 kilobyte: though, I'm not sure how much that helps since how do you know which version those things got set on? 17:52:41 SamB: sure it was a pretty dumb mistake like lots of other dumb mistakes that happen, "wow did you really not even think for a moment about that" is a really annoying attitude though 17:52:54 MarvinPA: sorry 17:53:03 SamB: the value of NUM_ATTRIBUTES is marshalled, as it's needed to know the length of the table 17:53:25 -!- alefury|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:53:38 he (via the Hanlon's razor) dared to imply you're stupid! Kill him! 17:54:00 hmm, who is hanlon? 17:54:32 "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." 17:55:00 (which can be trivially disproven by pointing out a bunch of Microsoft's actions) 17:55:56 hrm, an issue: a save that was created below that noises commit, but has been upgraded since 17:56:17 kilobyte: yeah, that's what I meant 17:57:14 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:59:53 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:07 -!- Cedor has quit [Quit: Quitte] 18:04:03 -!- Chozo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:09:07 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:09:16 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:09:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:14 kilobyte: seems might be best to just not worry too much about that, as long as yesterdays games load okay tommorow? 18:17:29 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:32 or maybe clear all flags that can be cleared without harm, I don't know ... 18:19:10 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-1602-gb22a2b4: chaos: Check target visibility *before* zapping (#7898) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b22a2b4d76e2 18:19:57 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:25:41 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:23 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:30:57 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:31:43 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:35:47 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1603-gfc4e5a6: Axe one more out-of-ossuary mechanical trap. 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fc4e5a696883 18:35:47 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1604-g40af2d8: Repair saves broken by 0.14-a0-1589-g48c4fed. 10(6 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=40af2d839ead 18:37:22 * SamB wonders if he can find some sucker to test 0.14-a0-1602-gb22a2b4 for him ... 18:41:27 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:47:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:52:53 -!- _dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:54:49 -!- floatboth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:57:07 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 18:58:42 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:07 -!- jiero has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131206152142]] 19:06:49 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:08:59 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:10:43 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 19:17:15 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1605-g05a8efd: Rename abl-show.{cc,h} to ability.{cc,h} 10(37 minutes ago, 29 files, 3812+ 3812-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=05a8efd7b904 19:17:15 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1606-g654a7c0: Rename a vestige of "transmigrations". 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 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13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=861dd2b04047 19:56:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:10 bh: but, but... how as a console player will I know what wisdom that guy named 420nigger wanted to share with me, before embarking on a tirade why I'm ignoring him on tileschat? 20:08:45 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:08:50 By setting note_chat_messages to true 20:09:22 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 20:11:35 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:12:03 -!- rockygargoyle has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:14:31 non-movement actions dont take up new swiftness duration do they? 20:14:58 i would assume yes? 20:15:13 -!- rockygargoyle_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:15:59 doesnt that mske optimal play involve arranging non movement actions to be on the slow part? 20:16:10 <|amethyst> that's kind of the point 20:16:18 yes i dont see a problem with that 20:16:33 <|amethyst> you use the spell to reposition yourself, then stand and fight while you're slow-move 20:16:42 use swift to outrun things to a better position, waste your negative buff as you kill what youre dealing with 20:17:13 <|amethyst> (or use swift to run to another level, and rest it off there) 20:17:22 yes 20:18:00 -!- bza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:34 doesn't that make it still a net win to use it enough turns before stairs to get stairs actions in the slow part during interlevel travel? 20:18:40 not a huge deal 20:19:34 <|amethyst> johlstei: partially cancelled out by the turn it takes to cast the spell 20:19:43 true 20:19:48 <|amethyst> I think any win in that case would be lost in the rounding 20:20:46 same for if you are gonna use a bunch of ?ea an ?ew but yeah not the worst thing 20:20:50 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 20:21:36 wasn't there an idea being tossed around to make ea and ew like runes? 20:22:46 <|amethyst> like runes? 20:23:11 I liked that idea but it messes with the item id game 20:23:12 <|amethyst> there was the idea to make them (and strategic potions like cure mut and exp) into a separate item type 20:23:35 <|amethyst> but it would be kind of hard to use them if they were like runes :) 20:23:35 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:23:44 |amethyst: Maybe that means read them and get EW points floating around for later use? 20:23:53 i think non-movement actions should use up your fast duration but not your slow duration :) 20:24:16 that would be a bit bad 20:24:25 <|amethyst> johlstei: in practice that just means holding down 5 after the fight 20:24:39 <|amethyst> oh 20:24:41 <|amethyst> sorry 20:24:43 <|amethyst> hlhlhlhl 20:24:49 <|amethyst> since 5 wouldn't work :P 20:25:06 well i just press 5 now but yeah you are right 20:26:08 thats not optimal for turncount though but in practice its more tedious for how i actually play, fair enough 20:27:23 -!- tsohg_ has quit [] 20:28:45 <|amethyst> If we actually see people keeping swift up to travel and timing the stairs to fall on -swift, we can nerf it to make it a net 5% loss or something 20:30:32 <|amethyst> If you're worried about fast travel for speedruns, check out jump attack 20:30:57 jump attack isn't that common though 20:31:10 <|amethyst> yeah, and it doesn't buy all that much since it's rate-limited 20:31:25 but it is an existing thing 20:31:28 since it exists its a problem 20:31:51 and with swiftness you're still taking the same number of turns 20:32:30 <|amethyst> for now at least 20:32:47 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:33:36 for now? 20:33:47 <|amethyst> "turns" exist for now 20:34:00 you're removing turns? 20:34:11 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 20:34:20 (i.e. would game length be measured in aut instead?) 20:34:26 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:35:00 <|amethyst> I'm not, but it has been proposed and I don't think anyone really objected to the general idea, just some details if anything 20:35:41 <|amethyst> yes, using aut for score, with modifiers for race or whatever 20:36:04 so naga would get a higher score than spriggans? 20:36:20 (assuming they hit the same aut somehwo) 20:36:33 <|amethyst> that was one proposal, yes 20:37:22 <|amethyst> But elliptic's the person to talk to if you're interested 20:38:42 <|amethyst> Mostly it's so we don't have to track (and, more importantly, show to the player) "turns", because they are a kind of strange artefact 20:38:57 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:40:23 <|amethyst> I hear someone is now working on making time a priority queue 20:40:36 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 20:40:39 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all.] 20:41:32 <|amethyst> reaverb I think 20:43:38 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:09 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 20:45:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 20:59:35 -!- Quashie_ is now known as Quashie 21:00:45 -!- 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[Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:35:15 unknown monster: "death dwarf" 22:35:15 %??death dwarf 22:35:25 unknown monster: "death dwarf death knight" 22:35:25 %??death dwarf death knight 22:35:44 was that just a typo then? 22:40:05 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:40:22 @??deep dwarf death knight 22:40:22 deep dwarf death knight (03q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 62-100 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 28 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 883 | Sp: animate dead, injury mirror, drain life | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 22:40:32 @??death dwarf deep knight 22:40:33 unknown monster: "death dwarf deep knight" 22:41:41 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:45:35 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:40 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: hydrufrf] 22:47:03 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:03 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 22:47:03 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:36 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:49:48 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:11 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:55:03 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:55:28 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:56:17 So, can I find anyone to verify that the specific problem case identified in https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898 is indeed solved? 23:06:05 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1613-gd720e3e: An entry vault, by Lightli. 10(89 seconds ago, 1 file, 25+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d720e3ed6bc8 23:06:26 that was fast 23:08:39 Tossi (L26 DrIE) ERROR in 'spl-damage.cc' at line 2829: ASSERT failed: you.attribute[ATTR_SEARING_RAY] of 33 out of range 1 (1) .. 4 (4) (Lair:2) 23:10:25 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:10:55 kilobyte: hmm ... 23:11:22 they won't be recovered :-( 23:12:27 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 259 seconds] 23:12:45 <|amethyst> hm 23:13:26 <|amethyst> it won't fix this specific save since it's already been transferred 23:13:57 <|amethyst> but couldn't you check the marshalled NUM_ATTRIBUTES for ambiguous saves? 23:14:11 |amethyst: how will that help? 23:14:39 I don't remember him rebuilding when he did the fix, either ... 23:14:51 <|amethyst> ah 23:14:58 <|amethyst> !lg Tossi crash -log 23:14:58 No keyword 'crash' 23:15:01 <|amethyst> !lm Tossi crash -log 23:15:02 5. Tossi, XL26 DrIE, T:113098 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Tossi/crash-Tossi-20131224-050839.txt 23:15:05 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15:23 <|amethyst> okay, that's old 23:15:23 <|amethyst> hm 23:16:15 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:17:21 <|amethyst> ah, I see 23:17:36 <|amethyst> it already does check the marshalled count, but that's not the problem 23:17:52 |amethyst: checking attributes is not enough, as you have a mix of old and new values 23:18:08 <|amethyst> right 23:18:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:18:50 hmm, did it *actually* transfer ? 23:19:05 or did it crash in the attempt? 23:20:11 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:33 <|amethyst> that crash was on casting searing ray 23:20:40 <|amethyst> hm 23:21:11 <|amethyst> I guess not 23:22:34 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:22:41 <|amethyst> I guess it crashed at the end of input()? 23:22:59 <|amethyst> anyway, after load, so presumably it was resaved 23:23:09 darn 23:26:29 * SamB wonders about auto-ID of weapons that monsters hit you with while you are invisibile ... 23:28:06 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:30:52 searing ray can be cleared if it's out of bounds 23:36:10 so apparently sixfirhy's might be a bit too good for a 4 23:36:46 beats all the 3s, a good chunk of the 2s, and can knock brimstones into purple territory 23:39:16 wait this is minqmay claiming this 23:39:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1614-gfb5ed3c: Rename D:1 "entry" vaults to "arrival". 10(13 minutes ago, 8 files, 586+ 585-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb5ed3c6cdf5 23:39:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1615-g9fb95cf: Rename the directory as well. 10(8 minutes ago, 10 files, 7023+ 7023-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9fb95cf908ec 23:39:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1616-g60cab3d: Avoid a searing ray crash on broken saves. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=60cab3d173ba 23:39:22 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1617-gae0b70f: Deindent. 10(51 seconds ago, 1 file, 14+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ae0b70f8cefa 23:39:24 turns out that no it's nowhere near that bad 23:39:26 3s tends to be nasty for non-hp reasons 23:41:48 hi 23:42:22 first one I tried: sun demon: sixfirhy won with an overwhelming 6:93 count 23:42:32 (93 for sunny) 23:43:38 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 23:45:30 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:09 sun demon (083) | Spd: 12 | HD: 10 | HP: 38-70 | AC/EV: 10/12 | Dam: 3004(fire:10-19) | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible, lev | Res: 06magic(80), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 807 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 23:46:09 %??sun demon 23:46:52 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:59 ??3 23:47:00 3[1/1]: The strongest of the {common demon}s: {sun demon}, {soul eater}, {ice devil}, {smoke demon}, {neqoxec}, {ynoxinul}, {chaos spawn}. 23:48:08 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:18 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:10 line 84 and 310 of docs/develop/levels/introduction.txt have typoes 23:49:26 er, just 310 23:49:30 No XP is gained from monsters killed by explosion of inner flame by scroll of Immolation. by Sizz 23:49:30 this is hardly surprising 23:51:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1618-g68ef7df: A typo. (wheals) 10(59 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=68ef7df5f202 23:56:30 I realized that after I checked