00:06:02 <Sizzell> Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1585-g835621a (34)
00:06:19 <Ruffell> Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1585-g835621a (34)
00:13:03 <Basil> hmm
00:14:15 <Basil> in melee_attack.cc starting ~line 2713, is there a reason why chaos weapon healing, hasting, etc. on hit does not identify it?
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00:33:43 <SamB> Basil: probably not
00:33:52 <SamB> except the obvious one
00:34:10 <Basil> That being
00:34:48 <SamB> nobody thought of that, or could be bothered to actually do it
00:35:07 <Basil> It's weird because it seems intentional
00:35:35 <Basil> CHAOS_FREEZING, CHAOS_ELEC and such are all marked with obvious_effect = defender.is_seen()
00:35:50 <Basil> whereas these effects I can't remember seeing anywhere else are not
00:36:16 <Basil> in any case I'll test the change to make sure nothing breaks and stick the patch on the relevant issue
00:37:59 <SamB> hmm, maybe it's because it might happen to someone other than the player ...
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00:39:47 <SamB> Basil: where are those CHAOS_FREEZING etc. ?
00:39:59 <reaverb> SamB: 4f58e43587311bdc91fdedc4606c39 only gives the proper description for monsters sensed through they are friendly. The code isn't there for nonfriendly monsters. (Also if you worship Ash and have antennae all sensed monsters would be labelled as gained due to Ash, but that's less important.
00:40:09 <Basil> Just a moment
00:40:14 <reaverb> s/through/if
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00:40:42 <SamB> reaverb: hmm?
00:41:16 <SamB> reaverb: can you actually make it give the wrong description for non-friendly monsters?
00:41:41 <reaverb> SamB: I only looked at the commit, which pretty clearly only gives the code to friendlies.
00:41:47 <reaverb> http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blobdiff;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/descript/monsters.txt;h=4f58e43587311bdc91fdedc4606c392d48e76a2a;hp=1d5701c2b16df1414fd41716697d8c7cff9eeed1;hb=835621a3c6d5537c67b3cb0fe4263c0464db7c39;hpb=437c10e4b4cb5c5413c736b0bedae11b8a9ae5e4
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00:41:53 <SamB> reaverb: yes, I know what I wrote
00:42:15 <SamB> are you aware of things I am not aware of that make it possible to see those other descriptions for both reasons?
00:42:31 <|amethyst> reaverb:  because non-friendlies either have a threat level (ash) or don't (antennae)
00:43:12 <|amethyst> reaverb:  so "sensed monster" gets the antennae description, and "easy sensed monsted" gets the Ash one
00:43:14 <reaverb> SamB: |amethyst: Thanks for the explanation! I didn't get that subtle distinction.
00:43:34 <SamB> I might have added comments about that, if I'd remembered you could do that
00:44:51 <Basil> Apologies, I was thinking of CHAOS_CLONE et al
00:45:20 <Basil> I'll look to see where chaos imitating other brands identifies chaos
00:45:42 <Gretell> Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1585-g835621a
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00:47:05 <Basil> Although CHAOS_RAGE does exist and that identifies chaos when it happens
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00:47:27 <Basil> unlike CHAOS_SLOW, CHAOS_PARALYSIS...
00:47:55 <SamB> hmm... when do the wands ID?
00:48:06 <SamB> it should probably be the same for the things that are wand effects
00:48:30 <Basil> When they actually do a thing
00:48:48 <SamB> I assume you have to be able to see what they do it to at least to start with?
00:48:51 <Basil> So CHAOS_PARA would not identify on hitting an already-paralyzed thing?
00:49:02 <SamB> well, what does the wand do?
00:49:12 <Basil> obvious_effect = you.can_see(defender); is the identifying bit for all cases
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00:50:26 <Basil> Well, wands ID on zap now
00:50:49 <SamB> oh, hmm, the beam.cc code has obvious_effect stuff in there
00:51:47 <SamB> Basil: so I guess these do have ID code it's just not evident here ...
00:52:23 <Basil> So should I add a check to ID only if the relevant status is not already present, or should I just ID when it happens regardless?
00:53:04 <SamB> Basil: it looks like we just need to add a comment here ...
00:53:41 <Basil> beam.cc?
00:54:14 <SamB> // For these, obvious_effect is computed during beam.fire() below.
00:54:22 <Basil> Ah
00:54:44 * SamB is going to add that comment
00:55:39 <Basil> Also, you might want to make chaos identify on miscast effect
00:56:12 <Basil> So, CHAOS_MISCAST, unless there's some obvious_effectery somewhere else
00:56:22 <SamB> I don't think there is
00:58:08 <Basil> Here's the issue by the way
00:58:09 <Basil> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7898
00:58:35 <Cheibriados> 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-1586-g3e71587: Clarify auto-ID of beam-based chaos effects in the code 10(69 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e71587fcec3
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00:59:34 <SamB> Basil: ah
00:59:49 <SamB> probably we ought to precompute the you.can_see ;-)
01:00:04 <Basil> Nah, yyp is easy enough
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01:00:11 <SamB> hmm?
01:00:20 <Basil> copy-paste
01:01:09 <Basil> On another note, how does one go from version to commit? I tried to replicate https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7899
01:01:17 <SamB> I meant, if we check visibility of the target AFTER the beam has made it invisible ...
01:01:47 <Basil> Right, it was a poor joke
01:02:36 <Basil> but the error did not surface in the most recent revision or one taken from the same day
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01:03:00 <Basil> which might mean that it's an error specific to his system or that it worked itself out after the crash
01:03:17 <Basil> or that there was only one or two commits while it was in effect.
01:03:31 <SamB> Basil: you should be able to "git checkout 0.14-a0-1550-gf2134fc"
01:05:26 <Basil> Oh good, that worked
01:05:51 <Basil> Thank you, should have done that instead of git checkout gf2134fc
01:06:43 <SamB> "f2134fc" would probably also have worked
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01:28:09 <Basil> hmm
01:28:29 <Basil> I can't replicate the assert in orc:4 even on the same version
01:28:31 <Basil> oh well.
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01:56:53 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-1585-g835621a (34)
01:59:15 <Cheibriados> Patch to cause haste to degrade effectiveness with duration <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7901> by Siegurt
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06:50:31 <Ruffell> MDvedh (L1 MfAK)  (Abyss:1)
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07:21:37 <Cedor> %git brillance
07:21:37 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit brillance (git returned 128)
07:22:08 <Cedor> %git :/brillance
07:22:32 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit :/brillance (git returned 128)
07:22:34 <Cedor> %git :/brilliance
07:22:35 <Cheibriados> 07elliptic02 * 0.12-a0-1259-g6fa7d22: Remove contamination from potions (elliott). 10(1 year ago, 1 file, 3+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6fa7d2244368
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09:20:58 <rast> I would like to register a complaint about this game
09:21:28 <rast> when I hit 'v' it says, "You aren't carrying any items that can be evoked."
09:21:42 <rast> but in fact i have a deck of card in my inventory which can be evoked if i wield it
09:25:43 <Cedor> do you actually wield it?
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09:32:42 <|amethyst> decks and rods, am I forgetting anything else that is only evokable in hand?
09:33:18 <Cedor> lantern?
09:33:51 <|amethyst> can't be invoked
09:33:54 <Cedor> ok
09:33:57 <Cedor> disc of storm?
09:34:03 <wheals> polearms :)
09:34:49 <|amethyst> staff of energy
09:35:23 <Cedor> unrandart staves?
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09:40:35 <rast> Cedor: i wield it to evoke. only other way is to use a nemelex (a)bility
09:41:33 <wheals> maybe the message should be "You aren't carrying any items that can be evoked from your inventory."
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09:42:13 <rast> or "if you wielded your foo you would evoke it"
09:42:24 <rast> though that could be messy with more than about two wield evokeable items
09:42:36 <rast> *could evoke it
09:43:45 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1587-gabf9935: Make no-evokables message clearer. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 20+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=abf99355d8b9
09:43:56 <|amethyst> MarvinPA:  looks like OSEL_BUTCHERY still exists?
09:44:12 <wheals> |amethyst: oh, even better
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10:48:54 <Cheibriados> 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1588-gbfa08eb: Bring back "Blademaster" title specifically for elves. 10(70 seconds ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bfa08eb324f3
10:50:00 <wheals> Grunt: why not just change the lblades master title for elves from "swordsmaster" to "blademaster"?
10:50:34 <Grunt> Deep elf blademasters use short blades, not long blades.
10:50:50 <Grunt> Also the short blades 27 title used to be Blademaster for everyone before Stabbing went away.
10:53:17 <wheals> ah
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11:54:25 <elliptic> Grunt: should have renamed DE blademasters to DE politicians instead
11:54:40 <Grunt> elliptic: you're welcome to do that if you want :b
11:54:50 <greensnark> DE congressmen
11:54:55 <greensnark> Be specific!!
11:54:59 <Grunt> <3
11:55:41 <greensnark> Hmm, DE capitol hill vault
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12:12:03 <|amethyst> DE Minority Whip of Makhleb
12:12:22 <Grunt> DE House Leader of Vehumet
12:13:04 <|amethyst> Fannar is President Pro Tem of the Senate
12:13:38 <greensnark> "The DE senator puts a hold on your motion to advance toward the loot."
12:15:35 <Bloax> Grunt was prosecuted by the Deep Elven Senate
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12:44:03 <Flex> how does jiyva stat-shuffling work now that encumbrance works differently?
12:44:07 <Flex> was it changed at all?
12:45:27 <Flex> %git :/jiyva
12:45:29 <Cheibriados> 07ChrisOelmueller02 {MarvinPA} * 0.13-a0-2747-g6459ca0: No Jiyva penance for slime kills by confused monsters 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6459ca070173
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12:46:02 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1589-g48c4fed: Make noisy randarts only make noise when hitting things 10(8 minutes ago, 5 files, 10+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=48c4fedd086d
12:46:02 <Cheibriados> 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1590-g25a9b7f: Make the Singing Sword's low tension speech cosmetic only (no noise) 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=25a9b7f745d6
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12:47:13 <Flex> if it was never updated then that would be bad
12:47:23 <Flex> %git :/shuffling
12:47:23 <Cheibriados> 07HangedMan02 {|amethyst} * 0.14-a0-1437-g188663e: Update special_room_morgue, special room depths/weights 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 31+ 31-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=188663e25cb1
12:47:26 <Flex> %git :/shuffle
12:47:27 <Cheibriados> 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-912-g9eb8d5d: Tinker with Depths monster spawn weights. 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 19+ 16-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9eb8d5def7d0
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12:47:56 <Flex> %git :/stat
12:47:56 <Cheibriados> 07SamB02 * 0.14-a0-1585-g835621a: Fix sensed monster descriptions for my antennae change ... 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 10+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=835621a3c6d5
12:47:58 <Flex> bah
12:50:52 <Flex> ??source
12:50:52 <Sequell> source[1/3]: Browse the Git repository at http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git or, if you must, http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl
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13:03:34 <Flex> target_stat[0] = max(max(9, 2 + 3 * evp), 2 + carrying_strength);
13:03:37 <Flex> looks like it was never changed
13:03:52 <Flex> unless unadjusted_body_armour_penalty() was itself changed I guess
13:04:03 <Flex> !source unadjusted_body_armour_penalty
13:04:05 <Sequell> Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/8569884
13:04:32 <Flex> um
13:04:32 <Flex> huh
13:06:26 <Flex> in player.cc, it looks like that function returns a higher number than it used to, unless there's something I'm missing
13:06:33 <Flex> so why wouldn't jiyva be giving players ridiculous amounts of str now
13:09:56 <Flex> weird
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13:48:32 <elliptic> Flex: you are looking at something very old if you see <Flex> target_stat[0] = max(max(9, 2 + 3 * evp), 2 + carrying_strength);
13:48:55 <elliptic> since it currently says target_stat[0] = max(max(9, evp), 2 + carrying_strength);
13:49:11 <elliptic> (i.e. it was updated)
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14:01:49 <Cheibriados> Weird symbols in the "Items here:" message when there're lots of items on the ground. <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7902> by Lorkhan
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14:55:52 <Flex> elliptic: huh, let me check that again
14:57:17 <Flex> you're right, I don't know what happened there
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14:58:05 <Flex> even considering that, the new encumbrance rules do make it less straightforward what an "ideal" str value is
14:58:20 <Flex> and jiyva guessing what the player's ideal stats are is already problematic
15:00:31 <elliptic> right, obviously jiyva's strength guess won't always be what the player wants any more than jiyva's int/dex guesses will be
15:00:45 <elliptic> but at least it isn't still using the old formula :)
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15:01:41 <ophanim> Was there just a change to show_turns?
15:02:59 <elliptic> what sort of change?
15:03:14 <ophanim> for some reason I'm no longer seeing how much time my actions take
15:03:26 <elliptic> !locate ophanim
15:03:27 <Sequell> ophanim was last seen on CSZO (ophanim, L17 HEBe of Trog).
15:03:37 <ophanim> i'm not logged in, hold on
15:03:47 <ophanim> there
15:03:53 <ophanim> I am on webtiles atm, so that might be relevent
15:04:22 <elliptic> wow tiles
15:04:27 <elliptic> it looks normal in console at least
15:04:50 <ophanim> so it's Turn: 43939 (1.0) or something like that?
15:04:56 <elliptic> it does look wrong in webtiles, hm
15:05:01 <elliptic> yes
15:05:04 <ophanim> weird
15:05:10 <ophanim> weird and bad!
15:05:10 <elliptic> Time: 43768.6 (1.0)
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15:05:31 <elliptic> I think Medar was fixing something related to this recently?
15:06:33 <elliptic> %git 31eb1322e6
15:06:52 <Cheibriados> 07Medar02 * 0.14-a0-1484-g31eb132: Support show_game_turns in WebTiles 10(9 days ago, 5 files, 20+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=31eb1322e61a
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15:07:23 <elliptic> not sure exactly how webtiles handled the turn counter before that commit
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15:07:50 <ophanim> it worked fine before
15:08:01 <ophanim> I play more webtiles than people know
15:08:23 <ophanim> I literally just only noticed it because I was looking to see how slow my attacks are, I don't know how long I've played without it working
15:08:29 <ophanim> But it worked last time I was on tiles
15:08:58 <Cedor> the turn count seems fine for me
15:09:03 <Cedor> (on web tiles
15:09:05 <Cedor> )
15:09:30 <ophanim> 0.14?
15:09:36 <Cedor> yep
15:09:40 <Cedor> on lantea
15:10:01 <elliptic> ??cln
15:10:01 <Sequell> clan[1/2]: Europe Crawl server, located in Germany. http://crawl.lantea.net:8080/ or crawl.lantea.net, port 22, username: terminal, key: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk See {putty} for Windows users. Runs 0.10-0.13 and trunk (DCSS, Zot, Sprint, Tut)
15:10:02 <ophanim> checking other peoples games and their turn counts work
15:10:11 <elliptic> they don't all work
15:10:28 <elliptic> oh hm
15:11:00 <elliptic> ophanim: can you take a step in your game
15:11:10 <ophanim> wtf
15:11:10 <elliptic> now it shows it
15:11:17 <elliptic> apparently it just doesn't show it when it is 0.0
15:11:41 <Cedor> was the drop rate of lamp of fire increased recently?
15:11:43 <ophanim> uh my irc client turned that into an emoticon
15:11:56 <elliptic> 0 . 0
15:12:09 <elliptic> though console was claiming it was 1.0 earlier, hm
15:12:36 <elliptic> (at the same time when your game didn't show it)
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15:13:21 <ophanim> well, I got to get some work done
15:13:26 <ophanim> since I'm getting paid overtime to be here
15:13:45 <ophanim> sorry I can't be more help
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15:39:58 <paulsomebody> Looks like completed Ziggurats are not counted as such in your character dumps in current trunk.
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16:02:03 <st_> tenofswords didn't become chief vault dev with that attitude
16:04:06 <geekosaur> no, tenofswords did it by reading logs and !tell-ing people :p
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16:12:44 <Basil> hmm, should Oka and such have a yes prompt before ally betrayal instead of a Y prompt (similar to normal betrayal)?
16:13:35 <Basil> I've been dinged by that a few times with /enslave against an eel, and there's a mantis ticket with a similar experience
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16:28:00 <tenofswords> surely I did it by patching things before people knew they even needed to be patched
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16:34:25 <Cheibriados> Sulking/Screaming Sword uses long sword description <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7903> by Skrybe
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16:39:29 <Bloax> Basil: Really liking the vine stalkers so far.
16:39:55 <Bloax> You can play pretty recklessly with them, and it might even benefit you.
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17:06:34 <Nivim> Trivia: when you ~interrupt webtiles by switching to a different F-terminal, it can continue attempting to load the game indefinitely, filling up several gigabytes of RAM.
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17:26:56 <Flex> several?
17:27:08 <Flex> is it 64-bit? I thought a 32-bit process could only utilize much less
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17:36:01 <Nivim> Checking again, it had managed to fill up 12gb of ram before I finally noticed and closed it. I'm not sure if the version on CAO is 64-bit, but this operating system of most of its binaries are.
17:36:34 <BlastHardcheese> 32 address bytes equates to 2^32 addresses, which is 4 GB
17:37:09 <BlastHardcheese> er bits, not bytes
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18:00:20 <Cheibriados> Use yes_or_no for attacks which will cause penance instead of yesno, and make the warning more explicit. <https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7904> by Sage
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18:12:20 <Bloax> Basil: Hey?
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18:13:17 <Basil> hm
18:13:57 <Bloax> Is spirit shield the good old guardian spirit?
18:15:17 <Basil> Pretty sure that it doesn't drain all of your mana before going to hp, if that's what you're asking
18:15:36 <Bloax> if anything that could be neat
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18:19:03 <Basil> It'd be better for Be or dudes that mostly cast charms I guess, but it'd be harder to use it to get enough mana for casting other spells.
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18:20:55 <Bloax> Maybe I'm just not noticing it.
18:21:48 <Basil> Not much mana is drained near mhp, almost all damage goes to mp near 0 hp.
18:22:26 <Bloax> Might be because their mp aptitude is still just +1.
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19:16:01 <Bloax> Basil: damn those guys are good at getting out of tight situations
19:17:01 <Bloax> i just somehow got out of being adjacent to a warlord with a sorcerer and a smoke demon in sight
19:17:06 <Bloax> with 3 mp and 17 hp
19:17:31 <Bloax> only because killing the warlord left me at 10 mp and enough to kill the sorcerer with slouch
19:17:42 <reaverb> Bloax: wrong channel.
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22:16:10 <Sequell> Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know.
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