00:05:57 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1576-gf4c5cb9 (34) 00:06:29 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1576-gf4c5cb9 (34) 00:07:06 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:07:32 Is there a reason why potions of beMut are never found inside Ziggurats? 00:12:37 -!- eeviac has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 26.0/20131205075310]] 00:17:48 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:18:37 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1576-gf4c5cb9 (34) 00:19:47 probably not a real reason 00:22:56 <|amethyst> because those didn't exist when the zig loot routines were written 00:23:10 yeah, that's what I mean 00:23:17 <|amethyst> the only potions are porridge, exp, and cure mut 00:23:48 I was thinking that the "gain foo" potions would probably have been far less appropriate for zig loot 00:24:09 but with exp in there I'm not so sure 00:25:50 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:12 -!- Lightli has left ##crawl-dev 00:26:17 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:12 -!- tigertrap has quit [Client Quit] 00:29:43 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 00:30:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:34:06 my guess is that snark of a suspicious colour (ie, the author of Zigs) assumed everyone would walk out with +13 in each stat 00:34:40 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:00 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:35:00 benemut is scummable, too 00:35:05 green is suspicious now? 00:36:00 you don't know if he's red but just approaching at 20% c, you see 00:36:40 wouldn't he have gotten here by now if that was the case? 00:36:54 true dat 00:38:02 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:59 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1576-gf4c5cb9 00:46:05 -!- JServo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:47:03 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 00:47:34 -!- dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:54:16 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:02 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:08:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:14:42 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 01:29:04 -!- schistosomatic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:34:27 -!- MrKitty has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:34:27 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:41:15 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 01:51:35 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:56:41 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20:09 -!- blabber_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:20:29 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:45 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 02:22:03 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:26 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 02:23:44 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:39 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:30:41 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 02:33:03 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:34:14 -!- Tarragon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:34:15 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:34:38 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:44 -!- Tarragon is now known as Basil 02:34:58 -!- myrmidette2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:32 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:40:35 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:40:53 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:41:00 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:23 -!- conted_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:49:09 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:53:34 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-1577-g47ac133: Make "Stay logged in" a label for the checkbox 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=47ac133537f9 02:59:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:43 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:13:31 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1578-gf62db54: Don't recolour altars or wet fountains in column_ruins. 10(72 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f62db547df00 03:15:03 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:15:03 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:17:00 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:17:24 <|amethyst> hm, I guess somehow it managed not to actually recolour altars, but I did get a brown sparkling fountain in a recent game 03:18:57 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: whatever] 03:27:42 what about making fountains, and most features for that matter, ignore recolouring? 03:28:02 (recolouring by vaults, not the player's config) 03:29:17 current rule is: bool norecolour = is_critical_feature(feat) || feat_is_trap(feat) 03:30:24 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:31:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:34:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:42:34 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 03:47:49 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:47:59 -!- RZX_ is now known as RZX 03:50:29 -!- randomizr has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:05:12 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:06:16 -!- Giomancer has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:18:19 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:37 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:32:41 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 04:44:27 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 05:03:37 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: qqqqqqq] 05:04:51 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:11:33 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:18:24 -!- JServo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:30:36 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:43:09 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:03:15 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:12:42 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:21:38 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 06:23:21 Is there a reason why potions of beMut are never found inside Ziggurats, is this behavior intentional, or is it an artefact of loot generation from the time of potions of gain foo? 06:31:52 wasn't that answered earlier 06:37:30 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Client Quit] 06:39:43 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:40:51 -!- Sgeo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:46:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:49:16 Apparently I haven't been here when this happened. 06:50:40 There is no message log, is there? 06:54:43 it's in the topic 06:54:55 http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ 06:55:14 MarvinPA: Thanks. 06:56:44 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:56:52 Okay, so there is no real reason. 06:57:50 I am glad to hear this. Additionally, they are not *this* scummable, even in the Ziggurats: you would not want to drink too much beMut, least you may easily find yourself monstrous. 06:59:04 ...which is in my opinion undesirable, even you get +13 in every statistic to compensate. 07:00:58 -!- pelotron has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:12:44 ...and somehow, I feel that having +13 statistics bonuses will be more fair reward after completing a few Ziggurats than having enough of cMut to drown yourself in. 07:14:27 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:25 -!- hhkb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:26:06 paulsomebody: Ziggurats are somewhat balanced by a power cap on your character: you can't go better than 27 in all skills, a limited number of spell slots, etc. Having unlimited good mutations would upset that somehow. 07:27:30 kilobyte: I understand your reasoning, but it's almost impossible to get more that a set number of mutations from a potion of Mut, it'll start removing some of them instead. Maybe beMut needs a similar limitation? 07:27:34 although Jiyva and the helix card already allow scumming here 07:28:08 ...even so, I am not sure how good being monstrous is as compared to the other benefits from swimming in beMut. 07:29:09 some "good" mutations are worse than others, but most monstrous ones don't hurt you before level 3 07:30:32 Are you opposed to the idea of making beMut effectively capped in the same way as Mut is now? 07:32:42 no, why? 07:33:45 I think it may make sense of introducing this limitation and making beMut to have a *slight* chance to appear in Ziggurats. 07:35:45 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:38:47 -!- Goncyn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:41:08 -!- hhkb has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:15 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:00:24 -!- ssteam has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Wibbly Wobbly IRC] 08:01:51 -!- rkd has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:19:06 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:26 Darn, I have forgot I could probably have abused yesterday's bug to beat MarvinPA to the first place in the ??ziggurat[4] entry. :p 08:35:33 -!- glow11 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:03 ...my entry there probably needs to be take down by five points or so, since I have tested that for a bit. 08:36:40 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:39:02 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:00 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:40 you know, there's a hard cap on mutations one can even have, and it gets harder and harder to approach that cap with each try 08:40:40 tenofswords: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 08:41:26 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:43:36 tenofswords: Good news. Does not that mean there can be potions of beMut inside Ziggurats? 08:44:11 * kilobyte remembers having 86 naked AC + umpteen pages of other mutations. 08:44:48 yes, that was changed 08:44:56 a shame it was 08:45:16 it ruined Xom forever 08:45:25 * paulsomebody regrets he was not around then. 08:45:44 paulsomebody: whenever I can grab a lua/layout dev to do my final ziggurat buff the things will be nasty enough that I won't feel bad adding those 08:45:54 Maybe Xom should be able to bypass mutation cap, since he's Xom? 08:47:11 tenofswords: Great news! I hope you will accomplish soon, when my current character is still (un-)living, so he can die testing those. :p 08:47:30 I _did_ already buff the boring levels fairly recently 08:48:20 "place:Pan / greater demon w:5" and the reflecting chaos zig set-up are the only really noticeable ones I guess 08:48:34 tenofswords: You are the person responsible for *moths*, I presume. 08:48:40 ah right, this reminds me to revert the rest of that commit, MarvinPA and elliptic reverted most nearly immediately :p 08:48:45 there are moth zig levels? 08:48:48 or do you just mean spider zigs 08:48:53 ...and Chaos levels. Those are good. 08:49:01 evilmike: I meant Spider. 08:49:10 I put in extra moths of suppression into spider zigs, when they still existed 08:49:30 will miss them so much 08:49:33 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49:44 tenofswords: This was also a good idea. 08:49:56 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:50:13 yes, it was very nice to have a floor of extreme danger through debilitating the player rather than ridiculous damage spam 08:50:36 tenofswords: ...maybe there needs to be a spider-themed creature that can Dispel Undead? 08:50:51 Although, it would be a sub-species of a "ridiculous damage spam". 08:51:14 i dont think there is much that needs to be added to that monster set, although i'd love to see formicids taken away 08:52:39 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1579-ga7b66b4: Drop pointless empty lines after or before a brace. 10(11 hours ago, 41 files, 0+ 54-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a7b66b498e0b 08:52:39 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1580-gb00b044: Remove a redundant check. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b00b0443af50 08:52:39 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1581-g6430f03: Fix a broken fountain rename. 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6430f033a259 08:52:39 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1582-gb7524af: Forbid recolouring a bunch of features, optimize. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b7524afb080d 08:52:39 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1583-gc53f028: Optimize. 10(68 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c53f02819cf6 08:52:41 would rather move on to other things 08:54:58 Why do their mages wear pink, by the way? 08:55:53 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:59:28 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 09:02:50 ...heh, right, it'd be a coincidentally nice abyss zig buff to work on that ynoxinul "replacement" 09:07:06 when you're a mage, you can wear whatever you damned well please? :p 09:12:40 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:12 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:22:10 -!- glow11 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 09:27:06 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 09:29:36 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 09:30:46 -!- syllogism- has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:13 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:48 -!- syllogism has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:39:20 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:50 tenofswords: I am looking forward to it. 09:41:23 -!- Celsitudo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:42:27 thank you for the positive feedback 09:47:11 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:53:50 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:02:19 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:06:47 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:16 -!- Weretaco has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:21:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:23:20 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:25:44 Mace of Brilliance is good, it's a lot like TSO in a can. ...but does it's mock holy aura have a chance to mislead holy creature into thinking that you are not their enemy? :p 10:35:02 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:43:50 Chaos weapon is not identified after making player invisible by Sandman25 10:45:32 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:35 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:49:45 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:00:39 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:12:55 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:13:07 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 11:15:11 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:15 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1583-gc53f028 (34) 11:17:25 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 11:20:44 -!- ReteAZ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:22:55 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:23:05 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 11:25:40 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:34:16 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:36:07 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:38:44 <|amethyst> updated fedora packages from BlasterBlade at http://blasterblade.fedorapeople.org/fedora20/ 11:39:15 <|amethyst> http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:nazar554/Fedora_20/home:nazar554.repo 11:41:49 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:47:07 -!- buppy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:47:17 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:51:14 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:53:42 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:00:55 ??curare 12:00:55 curare[1/2]: A type of poison that will slow you, poison you, and do large impact damage (called asphyxiation). To avoid it you can use stealth and eXamine to avoid being in any blowgun wielding creature's line of fire for too long. 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Use !messages to read them. 13:25:31 I last saw kilobyte at Sat Dec 21 14:48:40 2013 UTC (4h 36m 48s ago) saying 'ah right, this reminds me to revert the rest of that commit, MarvinPA and elliptic reverted most nearly immediately :p' on ##crawl-dev. 13:25:43 !messages 13:25:43 (1/5) bh said (2w 6d 11h 22m 48s ago): Radical 0.14 proposals: 1. Remove summoners, 2. Remove item destruction, 3. I'll finally fix wrath 13:26:41 which type of summoner though 13:28:16 !tell bh On summoners: the fact that killing the summoning guy removes the summons was huge. Not sure if further immediate (i.e. 0.14) action is needed. On item destruction: it's a hot topic. I would solve it by rearranging consumables (instead of potions & scrolls into tactical & strategical). This is not 0.14 material. 13:28:16 Maximum message length is 300 characters. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 13:28:33 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:28:43 * dpeg slaps Sequell with a folding rule. 13:28:43 * Sequell slaps dpeg with a folding rule. 13:30:07 !tell bh Summons: killing the summoner removes the summons, this is huge. Not sure if further immediate (0.14) action is needed. Item destruction is a hot topic. I'd solve it by rearranging consumables (instead of potions & scrolls into tactical & strategical). This is not 0.14 material. 13:30:07 dpeg: OK, I'll let bh know. 13:30:43 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:08 !tell bh Wrath: I would love it so much. It's a prerequisite for Lugonu altar corruption :( My radical plan for 0.14/0.15 (apart from rune lock): no more chunk eating except for Tr, Gh etc. 13:31:08 dpeg: OK, I'll let bh know. 13:31:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:33 dpeg: That would be great. 13:33:38 i think he was suggesting removing player summoners, nto monster ones? 13:35:38 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 13:35:51 evilmike: ah, good question 13:36:04 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36:05 removing monster summoners is just a bad idea imo 13:36:11 evilmike: btw, many thanks for the well mannered SomethingAwful reply. 13:36:31 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:38 !tell bh evilmike just pointed out that you're perhaps talking about player summoning -- which one is it? 13:36:38 dpeg: OK, I'll let bh know. 13:36:48 monster summoners are so much better now 13:36:56 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:06 evilmike: it always makes me sad (and then mad) to see them write insults like they did. 13:37:09 and it makes spells that can fire through crowds noticeably better 13:37:19 -!- valrus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:40:53 -!- dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:41:04 Eronarn: yes, better tactics in general (large rocks, cleaving, penetration etc.) 13:44:44 so what, nerf summoners again? 13:44:50 Haven't they gotten nerfed enough? 13:45:58 Only a nerfed feature is a good feature! 13:46:35 -!- tabstorm_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:47:11 how would you nerf them again? They're already at the point that the most popular god for winning su in the latest stable is Trog 13:51:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:52:28 * Cedor jump on dpeg 13:53:02 hi boss 13:53:18 -!- dacendoran_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:56:59 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:21 imo toss out the entire summon school except for a few spells and start from scratch. even if it means a version or two with only a few spells 13:59:42 i mean tmut feels as if it has like 3 spells and it still exists 14:00:50 (and yes, I know it has well over 10 spells) 14:01:03 -!- Kromgart has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:01:22 it's probably 3 spells usefull at the same time 14:01:30 but you have progression in tmut 14:01:53 (and you don't win with tmut alone) 14:02:04 -!- unpaidbill has quit [Client Quit] 14:02:30 evilmike: Keep butterflies and haunt at least 14:02:53 evilmike: alright. I can see that the current Sum school is lacking, but I would think that summons could in principle make a fine playing style. 14:03:22 One could always say that we only provide summons by other means (cards, gods, items)... perhaps not too bad. 14:04:26 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:05:54 i was only talking about the spell school 14:10:27 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 14:10:39 -!- Dr_Ke has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:53 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 14:12:50 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:15:30 evilmike: yes, I understand 14:20:18 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:41 -!- glow11 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:51 -!- dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:41:09 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:41:47 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:41:50 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:00 -!- rossi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:51:09 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:18 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 15:04:08 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:26 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:45 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:18:45 Tornado "raging winds" visual effect is not working correctly if the player's movement delay is *really* slower than normal, due to either being Overloaded or worshipping Cheibriados. Is this a known bug? 15:20:14 -!- Brokkr has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:28:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:31:45 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31:47 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:42 -!- Guest_41 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:35:04 -!- Guest_41 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:44 -!- mummies-r-op has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:49:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:03 -!- myrmidette1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:30 -!- myrmidette1 has quit [Client Quit] 15:54:39 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:49 -!- myrmidette1 has quit [Client Quit] 15:58:00 somebody around here? 15:58:12 I have a questio about commands in monsters descriptions 16:00:23 Cedor: I can try to help you, but I am not a developer. 16:01:59 I use a if statement and depending the result I return long description 16:02:07 more than 80 char 16:02:46 so I must put a breakline into it to respect the... length of lines 16:03:13 Cedor: This is not a question I am competent to answer, sorry. 16:03:15 should I put a \n into my description, or is there other way? 16:03:26 I thought so :p 16:04:16 hmm? 16:04:35 Cedor: I don't understand why you'd need an if like that? 16:04:49 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:04:54 or is this C++ 16:05:37 I try to solve https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7896 16:05:50 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:06:12 and for this I think the best answer is to generate a description for sensed monster depending if you worshio ash or not 16:06:46 hmm 16:07:20 if it's true, I rturn a complete description, if it isn't, return a different complete descrption 16:07:26 I really think that the descriptions for these need a rewrite, actually 16:07:40 since you can only look them up using ?/, right? 16:08:00 not sure 16:08:05 well how did you see it? 16:08:11 if a monstor is in your LOS 16:08:12 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:25 but behnd a wall, you can look at it through xv 16:08:25 hmm, xv works on those now? 16:08:33 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:39 * SamB doesn't remember that being the case ... 16:08:55 just tested it :p 16:09:15 (my DS got antenae) 16:09:15 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 16:10:05 hmm, well, if magicpoints was looking at a sensed monster for which ash shows the strength ... 16:10:35 ... then why is it using the description for "sensed monster" at all? 16:10:37 and if this monster threat is like his char level 16:11:00 because, we have different descriptions depending the treat level 16:11:22 and white monsters are identified as "sensed monster" 16:11:31 oh 16:11:45 Cedor: I tested that and I'm pretty sure it was sensed_monster at xl27 vs rats. 16:11:48 that's why I think the best option is a conditionnal description 16:11:59 ah 16:12:27 strange, I just looked the detect function, and threat is handled 16:12:30 the problem I was expecting to happen someday was with the description for "friendly sensed monster" 16:12:35 Making 0.13.0 at the moment to see if it still occurs then 16:13:10 and antennae 16:13:39 since I got annoyed when playing a HOPr with antennae and allowed those to distinguish friendlies too 16:14:08 oh wait 16:14:19 sensed level is overrid 16:14:44 oh no sorry.. 16:14:53 only i you see the cell.. 16:14:57 what code are we looking at? 16:15:12 * SamB forgot where it is 16:15:12 * Sequell also forgot where it is 16:15:27 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15:34 check_antennae_detect() in mutation.cc 16:16:33 grmbl... 16:16:38 Cedor: well, with antennae you aren't *supposed* to be able to tell the relative strength are you? 16:16:44 ah detection shouldn't retrn sensed monster at all 16:16:51 -!- ark_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:16:57 this function handle ash detection too 16:16:57 I was wondering if that ash detection function with MONS_SENSED_TRIVIAL + threat 16:17:04 or rather, if threat can return -1 16:17:11 hmm 16:17:29 so MONS_SEnSED_TRIVIAL - 1 == MONS_SENSED 16:17:43 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:51 yep 16:17:58 so the problem isn't in the description 16:18:05 but in this function... 16:18:14 ash_monster_tier() ? 16:18:20 yep 16:18:22 That sounds right 16:18:38 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:22:32 crawl: sqlite3.c:15631: pthreadMutexEnter: Assertion `p->id==1 || pthreadMutexNotheld(p)' failed. 16:22:37 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:39 damn. 16:23:27 eh? 16:23:41 Basil: what did you do 16:23:53 Got that after checking out 0.13.0, make, and trying to run crawl 16:24:06 huh 16:24:10 Happened the last few times I tried 16:24:17 (tried 0.13.0, rather) 16:24:42 how much junk is in the tree? 16:24:58 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:23 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:24 I ran make clean the last couple times I tried before I ran make 16:25:51 And the only other thing in crawl/crawl-ref is a patch 16:27:00 hmm, maybe it's something to do with contrib? 16:27:08 do you use contrib? 16:27:46 The contrib directory is present if that means anything 16:28:15 well, do you have any submodules checked out? 16:28:29 At the beginning of working with crawl I updated submodules and downloaded the dependencies 16:30:09 Does git submodule status display checked out submodules differently 16:30:17 or are they all checked out 16:30:27 hmm, well, okay, I dunno what's going wrong for you :-( 16:30:38 maybe you should just try the 0.13 branch instead of 0.13.0 16:30:51 %git stone_soup-0.13 16:30:51 07BlackSheep02 {|amethyst} * 0.13.1-19-g4b9377e: Allow retreating allies to go hostile when attacked 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4b9377e27580 16:31:36 I'll give that a go in a few minutes and see if ash detect works differently 16:39:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:42:16 -!- Liams123 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:55:43 the strange point is that tiles are ok, but not description... 16:56:34 flags are accurate 16:59:21 -!- Flex has quit [] 17:03:05 -!- evilmike has quit [] 17:04:16 strange 17:04:42 Trying to compile 0.13.0 made me unable to compile master until I did git reset HEAD --hard and git pull. 17:04:44 Cedor: what tile are you seeing? 17:04:47 Oh well, back to testing. 17:06:05 the smileys 17:06:39 mmm 17:06:54 so tiles works fine, execpt for the desc... 17:07:00 That reminds me, I'm pretty sure the sensed creatures were properly marked in console as well 17:07:02 and I can't find any special case 17:07:04 trivial, easy, etc 17:07:36 Cedor: Are you looking at ash sensing or xv? 17:08:00 ash sensing provid accurate tiles 17:08:16 but with xv, I got the sensed monster description 17:08:26 I mean, where are you not finding a special case 17:08:48 I tryed to search some special case in describe.cc 17:08:49 Cedor: what tile do you see for the monsters with the wrong description? 17:08:52 but no... 17:08:58 <|amethyst> Cedor: could be a problem with constructing the monster_info from the monster? 17:09:07 I think the mon info is accurate 17:09:13 I have detected 2 monsters 17:09:18 one is trivial 17:09:34 (and the dedub desc gives 7HP) 17:09:38 and one is hard 17:09:55 and the debug decs gives 30hp and 2 spells 17:09:59 but 17:10:18 they are both described as "sensed monster" with the sensed monster description 17:10:41 and have distinct tiles, I take it? 17:10:50 yep 17:11:08 okay, so they probably have the right mc value and all ... 17:11:19 I think so 17:13:43 case MONS_SENSED: 17:13:44 return TILE_UNSEEN_MONSTER; 17:13:55 that's not the problem, obviously, but seems a bit odd 17:14:05 no this is normal 17:14:22 sensed is the anteanae detection 17:14:25 (only) 17:14:39 for ash, the other sensed monsters are used 17:14:56 it just seems like it should use a tile named with the same convention as the others ... 17:15:09 ah 17:15:13 right sorry 17:15:34 * SamB doesn't know if TILE_UNSEEN_MONSTER is used elsewhere or not 17:15:38 <|amethyst> oh, hm 17:15:40 well, the point is it's the same tile for inv monsters 17:15:53 <|amethyst> the monster_info has type = MONS_SENSED and base_type = MONS_SENSED_EASY 17:16:06 okay, that's odd 17:16:13 and probably the problem ... 17:16:20 should presumably be the other way around? 17:16:47 nop, should be the same 17:17:05 <|amethyst> no, several things look for type == MONS_SENSED specifically 17:17:07 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 17:17:29 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17:29 why do they do that? 17:17:45 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:48 there's a function to check if a given type refers to a sensed monster ... 17:18:09 yep, but it's only used once 17:18:20 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:18:23 anyway, "friendly sensed monster" is still going to need work even after the bug is fixed 17:18:39 since the description credits Ash but you get the same thing from Antennae 17:19:11 for this you only need a conditionnal description 17:19:51 but I couldn't figure out how to access the description in-game when I let this work for antennae too, so I let it go 17:19:59 (I mean, other than ?/) 17:20:24 you play only console? 17:20:42 surely xv should work on console? 17:20:51 !lg SamB s=tiles 17:20:52 1371 games for SamB: 1371x false 17:20:52 yes, but the case is rare 17:21:15 because you need to have the sensed monster in LOS radius 17:21:19 but behind wall 17:21:43 and as the glyph is acurate, you don't need to read its description 17:22:33 so, why does it have to be within LoS 17:22:43 er, LoS radius 17:22:51 because x can't go outside of los radius 17:22:57 hmm 17:23:23 still not that hard to trigger ... 17:23:45 especially at mutation level 1 17:23:56 ??antennae 17:23:56 antennae[1/2]: Detects monsters in a 2/4/6 square radius of the player; detected monsters are represented by a red {. Gives sInv and removes head slot at 3. 17:24:39 -!- valtern_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:25:01 hum, i fear, you lost me during your reflexions 17:25:12 hmm, sInv is an interesting workaround for the fact that detection doesn't work on seen squares 17:25:35 the point is : it's quite easy to acces to sensed monster descrption through xv 17:25:55 well, perhaps it wasn't when I broke the description for "friendly sensed monster" ... 17:26:09 yep 17:26:16 I think the bug is older 17:26:25 -!- lorenz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:27:04 |amethyst: anyway, shouldn't stuff be mostly using mons_is_sensed() rather than comparing with MONS_SENSED? 17:27:56 unless, you know, they actually care about the specific case of using antennae to detect an unfriendly monster? 17:28:32 <|amethyst> possibly, but it would need testing wrt things like glyph overrides 17:28:55 |amethyst: hmm? 17:29:15 hmm, also "sensed monster" should probably be rewritten because it now indicates that the monster is not friendly 17:29:23 <|amethyst> hm, actually, from the docs looks like those would be fine 17:30:07 do we even have a way to override the glyph for just "sensed monster" and not the others? 17:30:17 -!- HellTiger has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:30:41 I guess you could reset it for " sensed monster"? 17:32:08 <|amethyst> probably ^ or at least \b works 17:32:16 <|amethyst> err, I guess \b is no good :) 17:32:50 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:32:55 oh, that's regex? no real problem, then, unless somebody was incorrectly using ^ there in their rc... 17:33:14 -!- dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:34:28 the problem is in set_detected_monster() 17:35:00 it force all detected monster to the mons_sensed type 17:35:11 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:35:29 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:43 it's used for wzard mode detection 17:36:29 -!- dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:36:43 i think this functon shouldn't overrid monster info of sensed_monster types 17:37:27 _mons = new monster_info(MONS_SENSED); 17:37:37 yep 17:39:11 what is the base_type anyway 17:39:28 the original type of the monster 17:39:29 mons 17:39:32 <|amethyst> probably that makes the most sense, but you'll need to look into all the uses of MONS_SENSED in the code, because there are several asserts 17:39:35 it's used for zombies 17:39:43 I'll see what happens when you swap MONS_SENSED out for mons 17:39:51 what's the worst that could happen 17:39:53 |amethyst: there are? 17:40:12 I count only two |amethyst 17:40:31 <|amethyst> okay, maybe "several" was an exaggeration 17:40:33 <|amethyst> but there are two :) 17:40:37 :p 17:40:40 one of these checks can go if we make this change 17:40:51 else if (mi.type == MONS_SENSED) 17:40:51 return mi.base_type; 17:40:59 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:41:09 <|amethyst> SamB: hm, what about old saves? 17:41:17 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:21 hmm, okay, maybe not 17:41:21 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:41:23 <|amethyst> I guess we could rewrite MONS_SENSED monster_infos on unmarshall 17:41:28 where is the monster_info made? 17:41:42 anyway, we could drop it at some point ... 17:42:15 <|amethyst> SamB: this onne in set_detected_monster 17:42:33 okay, right 17:42:35 <|amethyst> but the map is remembered 17:42:42 so that persists 17:43:00 <|amethyst> yeah, but it just needs a check in unmarshallMonsterInfo 17:43:20 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 17:43:24 so, we could just set those up to be dropped on bump ... 17:43:25 <|amethyst> if (mi.type == MONS_SENSED_MONSTER) mi.type = mi.base_type after you have unmarshalled both values 17:43:42 <|amethyst> right, you'd stick that in a #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION 17:43:46 <|amethyst> ==34 17:43:48 hum 17:44:02 or, yes, that and drop the two check I've found ... 17:44:15 base type can be an actual monster type 17:44:22 <|amethyst> for a sensed monster? 17:44:27 yes 17:44:29 how? 17:44:33 <|amethyst> oh, when you sense its genus 17:44:37 <|amethyst> or its letter 17:44:39 wizard mode detection 17:44:45 <|amethyst> ah, or that 17:44:45 argh 17:45:04 <|amethyst> So the simple fix to the immediate problem 17:45:07 so we need a *new* special case for xv et al? 17:45:18 i'm not sure 17:45:35 I think we should only adjust set_detected_monster() 17:45:47 old saves will load a sensed monster 17:46:06 how does wizmode get those into the map? 17:46:06 but after some turn, these monster info might be regenerated 17:46:12 <|amethyst> ... 17:46:35 <|amethyst> what's the problem with doing the fixup on unmarshall? 17:46:44 oh no problem 17:46:57 <|amethyst> I mean, do the wizmode things not go through set_detected_monster ? 17:47:03 but, what should the fixup be? 17:47:12 it does actually 17:47:25 <|amethyst> how about 17:47:31 set_detected_monster() is called by wizard_detect_creatures() 17:47:40 also something god-related uses that ... 17:47:49 (in wiz-mon.cc) 17:47:56 <|amethyst> if (mi.type == MONS_SENSED_MONSTER && mons_is_sensed(mi.base_type)) mi.type = mi.base_type; 17:48:03 SamB, for the unmarshall, 17:48:07 yep, this 17:48:22 |amethyst: that should do the trick, yes 17:48:25 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 17:48:43 <|amethyst> silly people fixing things the right way 17:48:58 <|amethyst> I was just going to change monster_info::common_name and monster_info::dbname :P 17:49:08 <|amethyst> s/dbn/db_n/ 17:50:51 |amethyst: and I guess we need a similar condition in set_detected_monster ? 17:51:28 hmm 17:51:38 just check mons_is_sensed(mon) 17:51:56 s/MONS_SENSED/mons in set_detected_monster hit an assert when it would have been used 17:52:07 if it's false, then apply the old code 17:52:13 Or rather, when I turned the corner on a hobgoblin 17:52:43 else, just make a new monster_info(mons) 17:52:55 and I guess the stuff in showsym.cc stays ... 17:53:06 Oh here we go 17:53:11 removing the assert 17:53:18 An easy sensed monster. 17:53:27 and the rest of the xv 17:53:35 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:53:53 not much risk, etc. 17:54:13 -!- Elynae has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:54:20 <|amethyst> Basil: and are wizmode detected monsters still red? 17:54:24 And an orb of fire xv as a nasty sense monster 17:54:33 <|amethyst> &D that is 17:54:48 |amethyst: that should not be affected if we continue to set base_type the same way ... 17:54:49 Dammit 17:54:53 an OOF gave me antenna 17:55:10 and that screwed up ash? 17:55:35 <|amethyst> Basil: &]ynantennae-1 17:55:45 I think ash detection is always don over antennae detection 17:55:54 Yes, hobgobs are add 17:55:58 red rather 17:55:59 <|amethyst> SamB: right, but Basil wasn't doing that 17:56:06 oh, wizmode, right 17:56:08 and OOF obviously 17:56:13 with &D 17:56:49 perhaps &D should give that tip about removing antennae if you have them ... 17:57:03 So that fixes it apparently 17:57:10 hopefully without interesting consequences 17:57:19 <|amethyst> Cedor: I think _tileidx_monster_no_props might also need looking at 17:58:12 Should I drum up a patch or should a little more thought be put into this? 17:58:46 <|amethyst> Basil: I think the approach Cedor is taking is better 17:59:02 <|amethyst> Basil: because it ensures the type is never a real monster type 17:59:28 -!- Kenran has quit [Quit: Quitting] 17:59:34 <|amethyst> Basil: and I'm not convinced that there aren't situations where that couldn't happen 17:59:46 Sounds good 17:59:57 <|amethyst> And I'm wary about just ripping out asserts like that (better would be to assert mons_is_sensed(...) 18:00:00 <|amethyst> ) 18:00:10 |amethyst: indeed 18:00:15 I was thinking the same thing 18:00:23 right 18:00:45 <|amethyst> you can test tiles, right? 18:00:48 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:50 <|amethyst> compile and test 18:01:01 * SamB wonders if the reason he didn't actually say so is related to the hungry feeling in his belly ... 18:01:22 <|amethyst> Cedor: also, besides wizmode, should test Dowsing card 18:01:55 ok 18:02:12 <|amethyst> and across saves 18:02:12 must only.... wait 5 min of compilation... 18:03:18 <|amethyst> (set up saves in the old version with creatures detected in various ways, then load in the new version; then save and load again in the new version) 18:03:36 I already have one 18:03:50 -!- Rogue has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:04:09 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:04:12 where is the mon_info unmarshal? 18:04:16 Cedor: one doesn't seem enough for the various ways ... 18:04:31 <|amethyst> Cedor: unmarshallMonsterInfo in tags.cc 18:04:38 ah right, tags... 18:05:30 -!- JServo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:07:14 * SamB runs "git branch -d randart-jewellery-id" because that stuff seems to have been pretty well fixed in stable by now ... 18:08:18 oh and SamB, thanks for the file deleting in 7857 18:08:25 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:41 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:00 * SamB takes a moment to realize that Cedor is talking about mantis attachments and not some file he deleted from the source tree ... 18:09:04 * SamB better go eat ... 18:09:06 lol 18:09:28 there some important things in life 18:09:34 eating, sleping 18:09:43 (and sex ofc) 18:10:47 -!- glow11 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 18:11:08 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:20 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 18:11:31 <|amethyst> Cedor: I wouldn't know anything about the last one, I'm married 18:11:55 my apologies :p 18:13:32 grmbl... 1 file modified, 50 to recompile... 18:13:32 -!- _dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:13:39 |amethyst: ... I thought that was just an old joke ... 18:14:42 Cedor: and only 3 where it will do more than change the line numbers ... 18:14:58 yep 18:15:17 I really need a new computer 18:15:45 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:16:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 18:17:25 <|amethyst> SamB: the problem isn't marriage, it's that she's working night shift and I day 18:17:32 <|amethyst> SamB: a short-term arrangement 18:19:10 |amethyst: ah, I'm glad to hear that it's a temporary problem 18:21:33 did you correct the redundant declaration in syscalls.h during the last hours? 18:22:32 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:23:43 Cedor: that OS X-only one? 18:23:51 nop 18:24:06 the one I got since the pull I made 2 hours ago 18:24:23 %git redundant 18:24:23 Could not find commit redundant (git returned 128) 18:24:26 %git :/redundant 18:24:27 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1580-gb00b044: Remove a redundant check. 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b00b0443af50 18:24:33 that's not it 18:24:59 nop 18:25:03 syscalls.h:27:21: warning: redundant redeclaration of 'int fdatasync(int)' in same scope [-Wredundant-decls] 18:25:03 int fdatasync(int fd); 18:25:03 ^ 18:25:03 syscalls.h:20:5: warning: previous declaration of 'int fdatasync(int)' [-Wredundant-decls] 18:25:03 int fdatasync(int fd); 18:25:14 %git :/syscall 18:25:14 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1090-g5f07754: Allow graceful shutdown rather than a forced save (win32 console). 10(7 weeks ago, 3 files, 27+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f077547fa17 18:26:05 Cedor: oh, I was getting that because the script to check for that did not like my use of CXX="ccache g++" 18:26:22 ah 18:26:23 if you use the PATH trick instead it works fine 18:26:59 wich trick? 18:27:08 <|amethyst> SamB: IMO fix that script to use $CXX unquoted 18:27:14 Add your ccache directory to the beginning of $PATH 18:27:20 ok 18:27:29 |amethyst: I don't know why, but that did not seem to help 18:27:29 and stick said directory in your folder with gcc et al 18:27:35 must find it first :p 18:27:42 which ccache ? 18:28:08 Cedor: if on Debian, you can prepend /usr/lib/ccache to your PATH 18:28:49 wrong guess :p 18:28:58 i'm on win XP 18:29:03 Oh hm 18:29:15 that sounds difficult. 18:29:28 oh mingw do't seem to have ccache 18:29:44 Cedor: well, if it's not ccache that's not your problem 18:30:25 hmm, wait, it looks like in your case BOTH declarations are in our header 18:30:33 hmm 18:30:45 Can't you cross-compile in cygwin? 18:31:46 nevermind ccache; I didn't look carefully enough at the error ... 18:34:33 i'm not really used to cygwin 18:37:22 It is maybe close enough to a linuxy system that you might be able to use ccache in it 18:37:51 Assuming that you can't get it working in windows and that compile times are a sufficient sticking point. 18:38:24 it seems I can add ccache to mingw 18:39:29 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:39:42 Cedor, ccache was an irrelevancy 18:40:06 SamB for some reason thought your error was caused by it, but since you don't have it it's not causing it 18:40:19 so are you saying you want to cause that error even more? 18:40:25 I only mentioned that I had had a similar issue because of it 18:40:26 I know, but it can help 18:40:27 -!- syllogism- has quit [] 18:40:37 or, because of how I was using it 18:41:50 <|amethyst> SamB's problem was getting both the system's and our declaration of fdatasync; Cedor's is getting both of our declarations 18:41:59 yeah 18:42:15 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 18:44:02 |amethyst: hmm, I bet wizmode sensed monsters show you the glyph for that particular monster, not for its genus ... 18:44:03 -!- Kromgart_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:44:08 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:44:18 assuming it's not a zombie or something like that 18:44:35 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:46:39 Oh, a minor note concerning vine stalkers 18:47:01 From my experience and a few other players, their bite may be "overly strong" at this point 18:47:40 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:01 however until I learn a little more about how well frail III and normal-to-mediocre defenses counterbalance it, I'm tempted to leave it there and scale back so it is definitely noticeable 18:48:02 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:06 instead of throttling it overmuch and hope that people will play a frail, unfast race with a nonnoticeable benefit 18:50:58 |amethyst, Basil is right the assert in showsymb.cc should be removed 18:51:14 (because the check one line later do the same thing) 18:51:24 Neat 18:51:41 <|amethyst> Cedor: no, that one checks base_type not type 18:51:56 ah right 18:52:02 <|amethyst> Cedor: to distinguish between } sensed monsters and glyph ones 18:52:08 yep 18:52:22 -!- FaMott has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:52:29 should asert (is_sensed(mi)) 18:52:38 -!- FaMott has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:44 and same in tilepick 18:53:26 <|amethyst> is_sensed(mi.type), yes 18:53:39 Basil: Is it overpowered all the time? 18:53:40 <|amethyst> mons_is_sensed() rather 18:53:44 Or just at the start. 18:53:50 mmm 18:53:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:54:02 It killed a fire giant at xl15 with a mindelay +0 mace 18:54:13 boy 18:54:23 so some knobs will probably be twisted sooner or later 18:54:26 now that sounds like a good speedrun race 18:54:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 18:54:35 Or rather, three fire giants 18:54:42 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:54:44 one after the other (after regen to mhp) 18:54:46 yeah okay something is not right there 18:54:57 oh nevermind 18:55:14 Antimagic is insanely good 1v1. 18:55:37 Because I can't really think of what else would make a fire giant not murder you. 18:56:26 -!- Cannonbait has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:57:13 manavamp and spirit shield restored a fair bit 18:57:16 fire giant (05C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 73-120 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(85), 05fire++, 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1817 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), fireball (3d26) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 18:57:16 %??fire giant 18:57:32 hmm, decent defenses for a monster 18:57:36 -!- robotcentaur has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:38 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 68-109 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(85), 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1421 | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 18:57:38 %??stone giant 18:59:46 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:01:58 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 9248 | Sp: b.fire (3d40), malmutate, fireball (3d43) | Sz: little | Int: normal. 19:01:58 %?? orb of fire 19:02:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:04:12 yet another new species 19:04:21 beware the 27 species limit, gladys 19:04:45 who needs djinnies when you have plant xenomorphs 19:08:04 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:07 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 19:16:18 orb of fire is a new species? 19:16:41 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7897 19:16:42 Yes 19:16:45 definitely 19:16:51 its goal is to usurp the orb of zot 19:17:22 Spoilers: You can't pick up the orb of zot until you're XL27. 19:17:29 And when you do, you die - winning. 19:17:48 Congratulations, you're the new - shinier than ever - orb of zot! 19:19:45 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:19:48 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:21:34 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:03 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:14 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:32 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28:19 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:28:56 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 19:29:13 -!- Wensley_ is now known as Wensley 19:30:50 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:39 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 19:32:51 Basil, Cedor: how's that patch coming? 19:33:00 testing 19:33:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 19:34:20 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:34:45 hum 19:35:09 at power 3 dowsing gives sensed monsters? 19:35:28 (and it strange, I can see the base type with tiles... 19:36:32 I am not really surprised 19:37:40 and with &D I get the actual type tile 19:37:50 (but stile the sensed monster description) 19:37:52 -!- rkd has quit [] 19:39:05 hum 19:39:13 dowsing broke the thing... 19:39:27 ash detection don't overrid the detected monsters 19:40:10 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:40:48 you didn't add that problem, did you? 19:41:24 the point is ash detection should overrid everything else 19:41:59 well, feel free to file something about that 19:42:03 -!- thened_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:42:15 it seems like it might be a bit more nuanced though ... 19:43:35 oh 19:43:45 dowsing gives the base type? 19:44:30 looks to give the actual type, yes 19:45:14 ooooohhhh 19:45:29 just understood dowsing use a separate vertion of detection... 19:45:30 -!- _dck has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:45:30 ok 19:45:52 so everything is fine 19:46:04 (or nearly) 19:46:54 hmm, this doesn't seem to match word and deed: 19:46:56 // Don't print monsters on terrain they cannot pass through, 19:46:56 // not even if said terrain has since changed. 19:46:56 if (!env.map_knowledge(place).changed() 19:46:56 && mon->can_pass_through_feat(grd(place))) 19:47:38 or at the very least I don't understand the comment ... 19:47:47 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:03 <|amethyst> SamB: if the actual grid has changed but map knowledge hasn't, don't show a monster there 19:50:45 <|amethyst> SamB: (the alternative would be to learn that the tile has changed, but you still don't know exactly what it is 19:50:49 <|amethyst> ) 19:57:44 couldn't we just base this on player knowledge of the terrain? though, either way, wouldn't that mean it only worked on places you'd seen ... 19:57:59 rah 19:58:21 I must do a dirty hack in describe.cc... 19:58:34 Cedor: what for? 19:58:43 for the dowsing case 19:58:47 and to think that was exactly what we meant to avoid ... 19:59:07 the point is 19:59:15 the base type is available 19:59:27 oh wait... 19:59:33 I'll try something else 19:59:44 i'll push a patch with the current changes 19:59:47 perhaps that hack is all we need ? 20:00:00 and then i'll push another patch to handle the descriptions 20:00:42 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 20:04:48 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7896 20:05:50 how can I test mutation in description? 20:06:32 you.mutation()? 20:06:35 where's the hack for the dowsing case? 20:06:44 next patch :p 20:06:47 wait a min :p 20:08:41 grmbl, i'm exhausted, so my english sart to be really awfull... 20:15:27 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:17:34 I can't test mutations in descript files? 20:17:51 dunno 20:18:59 |amethyst: I'm not sure your first idea isn't really the way we should go ... 20:19:27 ok let's start with the dirty 20:19:35 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:07 swinepaste (L17 HOMo) ERROR: range check error (70 / 70) (Snake:3) 20:25:21 SamB, in mantis 20:27:34 hmm 20:29:06 if we can detect in the description if we have antenae or not (to remove it in case of dowsng detect monster), the first check (for not loading description) could be removed 20:30:29 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:31:58 + && !(mi.type == MONS_SENSED && mi.type != MONS_SENSED)) 20:32:01 that's not right 20:32:11 ah fuck 20:32:25 && !(mi.type == MONS_SENSED && mi.base_type != MONS_SENSED)) 20:32:31 I really need to sleep 20:32:58 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all!] 20:34:28 -!- jiero has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:35:08 i'll try to do a better version tomorow 20:35:13 now I must sleep 20:35:23 so good night 20:35:27 -!- Cedor has quit [Quit: Quitte] 20:37:13 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:42:19 * SamB tries |amethyst's idea ... 20:42:35 * SamB waits for the rest of crawl to compile 20:43:19 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:44:34 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:46:06 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46:29 -!- GuraKKa is now known as KurzedMetal 20:48:10 -!- KurzedMetal is now known as GuraKKa 20:50:58 -!- bot253298 has quit [Client Quit] 20:55:11 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:57:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:00:31 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:07 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:08:23 <|amethyst> re the description, {{ if you.god() = "Ashenzari" then .... else ... end }} 21:11:35 |amethyst: what about that map_knowledge thing? 21:12:21 mightn't it be better to just check if the feature is passable according to map knowledge? 21:14:24 <|amethyst> SamB: oh, I'm looking at it in context now 21:14:32 <|amethyst> SamB: what I said earlier was wrong 21:18:03 |amethyst: and? 21:18:28 <|amethyst> so it looks like it doesn't print the monster if the terrain has changed at all (regardless of passability) 21:19:39 <|amethyst> hm, but that only applies if it was fuzzed 21:19:39 indeed 21:19:48 interesting 21:20:00 I guess so fuzz doesn't give any extra info? 21:20:44 <|amethyst> well, if you use rain then leave the room, you get unfuzzed monster locations while they're in the water ? 21:21:12 <|amethyst> err, I guess only if you didn't see the terrain change 21:21:26 <|amethyst> so phial through clouds 21:21:57 oh, uh, odd 21:22:14 ooh, build finished ... 21:27:04 ??antennae 21:27:04 antennae[1/2]: Detects monsters in a 2/4/6 square radius of the player; detected monsters are represented by a red {. Gives sInv and removes head slot at 3. 21:27:32 -!- Sky__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:27:34 looks like it removes head slot at 1 but doesn't give sInv yet ... 21:30:02 SamB: it lets you wear a hat/cap at levels 1 and 2 21:30:10 ah 21:32:41 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:33:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 21:36:06 ASSERT(!at_branch_bottom()) in 'stairs.cc' at line 560 failed by Sandman25 21:36:23 kilobyte: ^ 21:41:11 |amethyst: hmm, it seems like we might want to let the player see more info about remembered (or especially sensed) monsters ... 21:42:04 %git :/antenn 21:42:06 07pubby02 {|amethyst} * 0.14-a0-886-gc5239a2: Don't allow Fo to get acute vision. 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5239a2893d7 21:42:33 %git {:/antenn}^{:/antenn} 21:42:33 Could not find commit {:/antenn}^{:/antenn} (git returned 128) 21:43:20 %git HEAD^{/antenn}^^{/antenn} 21:43:20 07pubby02 {kilobyte} * 0.14-a0-785-gcb883b1: Start Formicids off with antennae 3. 10(6 weeks ago, 3 files, 9+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb883b19308d 21:44:25 %git --author=Samuel :/antenn 21:44:25 Could not find commit --author=Samuel :/antenn (git returned 129) 21:46:56 %git 3b129d7c2e512ba03f609c7cdb462d6e056b71c6 21:46:56 07SamB02 * 0.12-a0-2982-g3b129d7: Don't interrupt autoexplore for friendly detected monsters, even w/o Ash 10(9 months ago, 2 files, 10+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3b129d7c2e51 21:49:46 !messages 21:49:47 (1/4) elliptic said (2w 6d 19h 45m 27s ago): IMO s/item destruction/mimics/ in bh's list 21:49:52 By the way, silly notion of the moment: 21:49:52 |amethyst: do you think we really don't want to get a description of dowsed monsters? 21:50:12 !seen elliptic 21:50:13 I last saw elliptic at Sat Dec 21 23:40:19 2013 UTC (4h 9m 53s ago) saying 'tabstorm: early levels are a good source of loot, yes' on ##crawl. 21:50:13 Ogre mage's haste other is rarely relevant right now in my experience; replace it with might other. 21:50:47 oh, wait, hmm, cedor's patch gives away the exact base_type anyway ... 21:51:53 !messages 21:51:53 (1/3) gammafunk said (1w 2d 23h 57m 36s ago): I'd appreciate your feedback on the "hellscape" idea for Asterion I describe in the latest comment on mantis 7474. I'm trying to build some consensus before making a patch. 21:52:05 !seen gammafunk 21:52:05 I last saw gammafunk at Sun Dec 22 01:19:51 2013 UTC (2h 32m 14s ago) saying 'for a mage generally you want int, but if you mostly killdudes with melee, dex is nice' on ##crawl. 21:52:15 dpeg: hi 21:52:28 Hi there! Do you know better where to go with Asterion? 21:52:33 I thought more about that idea, and I'm not sure it's actually a good one 21:52:43 note to self: don't use beoghite saves to test ash ... 21:52:52 No! But if you have suggestions, I'd glad to hear them 21:52:56 We're still trying to find something Makhleby for the unique? 21:53:06 -!- axlexk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:53:09 yes, something that's not summon greater servant, at least 21:53:46 not so easy... Makhleb doesn't do too much... what about clever use of minor demons? 21:53:55 !messages 21:53:55 (1/2) kilobyte said (1w 3h 6m 59s ago): eh, the Singing Sword is far closer to uselessness than overpoweredness, unless you scum the situation. And the scumming issue is bad enough to warrant a redesign or even removal, I think. 21:54:28 Well I'd like to avoid summoning in general, since that's problematic 21:54:32 !tell kilobyte Do me the favour and don't remove the Singing Sword without asking beforehand. There's lots of work and love in weapons.txt. 21:54:32 dpeg: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 21:54:54 gammafunk: Makhleb only has summons and damage, as you know :) 21:55:01 perhaps a god change is in order? 21:55:02 Yes, for the player at least 21:55:10 yeah, could be the case 21:55:26 ??piety 21:55:26 piety[1/6]: With your current god, you have a piety number nominally from 1-200. If your piety reaches 0, you are excommunicated. piety[2] describes piety and penance. piety[3] describes piety growth in general. piety[4] describes piety growth for each god. piety[5] describes uses of piety. piety[6] tells you how you can determine your piety. 21:55:36 !seen MarvinPA 21:55:36 I last saw MarvinPA at Sat Dec 21 12:54:55 2013 UTC (15h 41s ago) saying 'http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/' on ##crawl-dev. 21:56:21 !tell MarvinPA Hi, just wanted to ask if the "noisy weapons only make noise on hitting" sits still safely with you? Not urgent, don't worry :) 21:56:21 dpeg: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 21:56:26 !messages 21:56:27 (1/1) kilobyte said (3d 25m 58s ago): I added a rune lock elsewhere, can we get rid of the one in Vaults? 21:56:33 phew 21:56:40 !tell dpeg You need more messages :) 21:56:41 Grunt: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 21:56:46 this is too much for me for one night, kilobyte 21:56:46 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:56:51 |amethyst: it does seem like your original idea is best ... 21:56:57 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:57:03 :( 22:01:29 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:29 hmm, dowsing has no way to indicate friendlies ... 22:09:44 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 22:11:30 Item claims to be held by monster DEAD MONSTER, but it isn't in the monster's inventory. by magicpoints 22:16:58 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:17:28 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:18:59 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-1584-g437c10e: Show correct descriptions for sensed monsters (#7896) 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=437c10e4b4cb 22:18:59 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-1585-g835621a: Fix sensed monster descriptions for my antennae change ... 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=835621a3c6d5 22:20:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:20:20 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 22:23:02 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:24:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:25:22 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:56 |amethyst: this one describes any monsters known from dowsing or &D 22:34:38 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:54 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37:37 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:36 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:44:24 -!- doesthiswork has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:07 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Client Quit] 22:47:52 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:51:16 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:53:09 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:56:37 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:02:01 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:04:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:09:42 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:22 -!- myrmidette1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:47 -!- myrmidette1 has quit [Client Quit] 23:14:30 -!- greensnark has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:15:25 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 23:21:13 -!- eb has quit [] 23:22:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:22:45 -!- robotcentaur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:23:32 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:30:23 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:05 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:58 -!- kilobyte has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:40:05 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 23:41:35 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:41:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:45:09 -!- kilobyte has joined ##crawl-dev 23:52:55 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:59:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host]