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Use !messages to read it. 13:52:26 -!- lobf_ has quit [Quit: lobf_] 13:58:55 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:59:32 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:39 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:11:30 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:26 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:32 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:16:30 Patch to implement resistance messages related to chance of success, rather than actual success roll. by Siegurt 14:17:02 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:18:25 -!- jameyd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:22:38 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:20 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:31:44 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:07 -!- CKyle_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:38:40 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:39:17 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:51 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:26 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 14:41:18 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:49:25 -!- Psyknux has quit [Quit: My work is end \(^o^)/] 14:51:19 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:18 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 14:55:23 -!- ReteAZ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:57:39 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:57:53 -!- Flex has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - 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Use !messages to read them. 20:11:34 any formula you can find there is "corrected" by piles upon piles of inconsistent code, that works differently for any launcher:ammo:brand combination 20:12:22 I'd say trying to fix it is a lost cause, the best way is nuking it from the orbit and rebuilding based on melee code 20:14:11 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 20:14:15 Somebody (L27 DECj) ERROR in 'files.cc' at line 1238: Attempt to enter a portal (Depths:3) twice; stack: Depths:3, Pan (Depths:3) 20:14:27 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:29 Somebody (L27 DECj) ERROR in 'files.cc' at line 1238: Attempt to enter a portal (Depths:3) twice; stack: Depths:3, Pan (Depths:3) 20:14:42 Somebody (L27 DECj) ERROR in 'files.cc' at line 1238: Attempt to enter a portal (Depths:3) twice; stack: Depths:3, Pan (Depths:3) 20:14:44 hrm 20:17:51 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 20:19:34 kilobyte: Do you know of any resource that would let me get a handle on how Crawl handles marshaling and unmarshalling? I've tried looking at tags.cc and save_compatability.txt, but I still don't quite get. 20:20:55 I'm trying to fix handle_time() so that it doesn't have god wrath and hell effects on the same turn all the time. I've managed to do it with by making each effect a derived class, but I need to marshall an int inside each class to prevent scumming. 20:22:05 reaverb: any field uses marshallFoo(), and has unmarshallFoo() read it. Fields must be marshalled/unmarshalled in the same order. 20:23:29 -!- eeviac has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:02 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:25:39 kilobyte: It's nice knowing that one fact, it makes me feel I can do it. Is there some sort of "main marshaling function" from which all the others are called? 20:27:40 it depends on what object you're trying to marshall 20:28:57 a save is not a monolithic thing, it consists of a number of "chunks" that can be thought as separate files -- and until three years ago, actually were 20:29:36 Is there a place where I can see these chunks? 20:29:41 and inside a chunk, quite a few structures are not flat 20:30:06 ./crawl --edit-save YourName ls 20:30:13 or ./crawl --edit-save YourName info 20:31:08 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 20:31:17 I guess I need to complie in Debug mode or such to access that option? 20:31:34 I don't think so 20:31:35 Thank You very much for the help, by the way. 20:31:52 what structure would you want to save? 20:33:17 An Int which appears in several derived classes. 20:33:26 I need to save each version individually. 20:34:18 (I'm thinking about implementing a priority queue, which access each class using polymorphism, but I thought it might be good to be a completely function version before trying that kind of clean-up.) 20:34:51 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:35:23 That has a lot errors so I think I'll just retype it: (I'm thinking about implementing a priority queue, which would access each class using polymorphism, but I thought it would be good to have code which is completely functional before trying that kind of clean-up.) 20:36:46 "several derived classes"? Well... polymorphism in these parts tends to be fragile. 20:37:00 what kind of classes would be found inside that priority queue of yours? 20:37:05 I only need one copy of each class, if that helps. 20:37:17 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all!] 20:38:33 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 20:39:48 They're derived from a class I made, called _base_handle_time_event, which has virtual function for the effect (ex. hell effects) and bookkeeping to activate the effect, roll a semi-random cooldown period, then activate the effect again, etc. 20:40:43 what fields do these classes have? 20:40:57 sounds to me like the functionality is similar in every case 20:41:43 The functionality is, which is why they're derived. The only differance is the cooldown period and the effect. 20:42:58 Here's the class: http://pastie.org/8566948 20:43:40 Each effect is implemented by overloading the virtual effect, for example with handle_god_time() for wrath. 20:43:59 why would you even marshall them differently if the int is the same? 20:44:14 kilobyte: I wouldn't, why? 20:44:33 I'd also skip virtual classes, and use a time_event enum 20:45:53 there are places where virtual classes help, but here I see they would make the code several times as long and complex without any obvious gain 20:46:26 What exactly do you mean by "time_event enum"? 20:47:36 something to represent the event's type, instead of using virtual classes 20:48:11 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:48:19 So It'd be another one of those switch() statements? 20:50:01 yeah 20:50:19 this way you need just a few lines of code per type, instead of a couple screenfuls 20:52:08 Well I've already made the derived classes- they aren't a couple screenfuls, except when the effect is. (which could easily be outsourced). 20:52:14 Somebody (L27 DECj) ERROR in 'files.cc' at line 1238: Attempt to enter a portal (Depths:3) twice; stack: Depths:3, Pan (Depths:3) 20:52:56 It just seems like you'd have to track down all the cases whenever you wanted to add something to handle_time() 20:53:02 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:55:23 -!- axlexk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:55:47 -!- dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:58:18 kilobyte: Also, I managed to get the —edit-save thing to work, kind of interesting how small the "you" chunk its. 21:00:10 -!- nonethousand has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:00:51 -!- Trevise has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:03:32 bulky parts like character notes, stash data, kills or message history are stored elsewhere, but still written at the same time 21:04:46 What do the "/" mean? 21:05:21 which can be problematic: for example, my abyss stress test bots started to take 15+ seconds to marshall/unmarshall after 30M+ turns, mostly due to Xom acts (and on Abyss:5 the tension is pegged most of the time, resulting in Xom acts every several turns) 21:05:39 reaverb: in "info"? It's explained on the first line. 21:06:37 kilobyte: Thanks, I see it now. 21:07:17 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The alternative IRC client] 21:07:39 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:10:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 21:11:31 -!- JServo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:11:48 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:26 Formicid somehow not pois susceptable, no rPois effects on me by morik 21:25:16 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:30:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:37:33 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:44:42 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:45:54 -!- morik has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:45:57 -!- morik_ is now known as morik 21:46:56 Somebody (L27 DECj) ERROR in 'files.cc' at line 1238: Attempt to enter a portal (Depths:3) twice; stack: Depths:3, Pan (Depths:3) 21:49:31 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:54:27 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:56:37 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:56:39 -!- Quashie has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 21:56:41 kilobyte: so what's that mean ? 21:56:53 <|amethyst> %git 21:56:53 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1576-gf4c5cb9: Ignore brentry when returning from a ziggurat. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f4c5cb98bb57 21:57:09 <|amethyst> means CLAN isn't finished updating yet 21:57:16 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:25 what was that about a portal? 21:58:27 1h 40m, and it's at mutation.cc 22:00:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:54 xv description of sensed monsters is incorrect for Ashenzari worshippers by magicpoints 22:01:45 I'd like to hear a bit of feedback about my Cheibriados' balance suggestion, if no one minds. 22:02:22 The idea is that he should extend the duration of transformations and some charms to make keeping them alive less tedious due to added movement cost. 22:02:24 paulsomebody: Cheibriados makes suggestions now? 22:02:47 oh, wait, I missed the my -- what was that apostrophe after Chei's name for? 22:03:17 SamB: Okay, feedback taken. :p 22:04:29 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 22:05:16 hmm, interesting idea 22:05:45 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:05:46 -!- Quashie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:07:12 chei doesn't need a buff if you play to his strengths 22:07:25 SamB: Look at it this way: he advises me to "Take it easy" every time I launch a game while worshipping him. I'd like to do so very much, up to the point of wearing a hat of Pondering, while not worshipping him, but the need to frequently recast spells, such DMsl or Lich-form makes "taking it easy" close to impossible. 22:08:17 eeviac: Well, he slows the player's metabolism. I think it is basically the same idea. 22:08:49 I'd rather have permabuffs rather than add this to chei 22:08:57 rather rather 22:09:14 or permaforms 22:09:40 eeviac: This would very good. 22:09:45 <|amethyst> There's still a patch on Mantis to change dmsl/rmsl 22:09:53 change how? 22:10:10 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:10:22 <|amethyst> duration in shots deflected instead of time 22:10:25 <|amethyst> %bug 7702 22:10:25 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7702 22:10:39 I like it 22:10:55 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:11:13 permalich is a frequently raised topic here 22:12:28 kilobyte: Great :p I'd take it even if it was not reversible. 22:12:34 what are the arguments against it? 22:12:46 or any of the tmuts 22:13:00 some people say permalich would be unacceptably weak 22:13:18 by permalich I mean toggleable trasnmutations 22:13:19 those people are the same who say current lich form is meh, though 22:14:14 lichform isn't something you want on all the time, but that's how all forms have been balanced 22:14:31 a good balance, imo 22:14:48 kilobyte: I don't think those people should get much vote about the perma-ness, since why should they care really? 22:15:00 not that there's a vote in the first place ;-P 22:15:15 <|amethyst> I don't get how making it not expire makes it weaker? 22:15:16 a toggle would meant you can strip down, wear+wield three wizardry, and quaff brilliance 22:15:35 miscast de-lich? 22:15:41 I'd like it to be irreversible. Cast it, welcome to Lichdom! 22:15:49 paulsomebody: yeah 22:16:12 paulsomebody: and downsides could be balanced by buffing (or nerfing!) the form later 22:16:18 ...and maybe a spell to "absorb" the essence from potions of beMut. 22:16:35 that's uncrawlish 22:16:42 or HW 22:16:46 kilobyte: I meant, without the "come back to Life" button. 22:17:01 that's what mummies are for 22:17:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:18:39 kilobyte: The required balancing may be performed exclusively by introducing a feature that requires a player to press otherwise inconsequential series of buttons every minute. 22:18:59 eeviac: Press 'zn' to become a Mummy? 22:19:05 -!- gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:19:40 <|amethyst> If you can only do something once in a game, I think it shouldn't be a spell 22:19:59 I agree ... 22:20:01 If you want permanent lichform, play a mummy. I'm arguing for toggleable transmutations. If wizardry-cheese is a problem, then make it so spell success applies to exitting the form as well. 22:20:08 permanent lichform is a god ability, really 22:20:23 <|amethyst> There's a really nice proposal for that on Tavern, too 22:20:31 <|amethyst> the staff that turns you into the Lich King 22:20:36 Eronarn: so you use ax or whatever to lose it? 22:20:53 it would be like tso blessing a weapon 22:20:53 and then die to the god's undead army? 22:21:00 it happens once, you can't undo it 22:21:01 SamB: you sign away your soul. you can't abandon. 22:21:09 oh 22:21:20 permaworship, huh? 22:21:50 -!- jameyd has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:21:59 only god I can see it working with is a retooled yred 22:22:20 <|amethyst> the set of gods isn't fixed, you know :) 22:22:30 but is there room for another undead god 22:22:31 -!- dck has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:32 I don't think so 22:22:54 eeviac: imo yred should lose enslave soul (which should be a nec/hex spell instead), and get a powerful top-tier ability, which could be this 22:23:13 I would love enslave as a spell 22:23:17 every game 22:23:20 eeviac: Kikubaaqudgha takes offense at this point. 22:23:43 i think something like nec/hexes 7 would probably be reasonable for enslave 22:24:04 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:25:11 <|amethyst> becoming a lich sounds a lot more kiku-like than yred- 22:25:22 -!- Sky__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:25:23 |amethyst: Exactly! 22:25:27 yred's all about the undead 22:26:03 would be a lot more interesting to turn into a lich when you don't necessarily have access to the necronomicon 22:26:09 with yred 22:26:14 Vine stalker species. by Sage 22:26:23 another day, another bad species 22:26:24 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:26:48 Hooray. 22:26:56 If Wiz bonuses abuse is a worry when it comes to implementing permanent forms suggestion, then perhaps they should simply ignore a portion of Wiz bonus, or be more difficult to cast? 22:27:07 Any chance somebody could give that a look-over? 22:27:17 special casing is a no-no in crawl 22:27:23 that's why djinn are bad 22:27:31 they're a stack of special cases 22:27:49 Basil: i like the idea of a permanent guardian spirit race, i just wrote one up earlier... though it was insectoid rather than plant 22:28:19 should be a giant brain race with mind shields imo 22:28:24 eeviac: The bite-every-turn? 22:29:08 my special cases comment was referring to paul's wizardry comment 22:29:16 Oh I see 22:30:29 Truth be told, there's a couple things that come to mind: 22:30:36 perma guardian shield is probly really bad if you don't have the demonspawn fast mp regain 22:31:03 bite-every turn like I mentioned, and I doubled their bite's antimagic per point of damage. 22:31:26 but it only works if you're a melee dude 22:31:28 WIthout that seemed to be doing very little, even when it was killing e.g. orc sorcerers easily 22:31:50 (by "it" I mean the bite with a -1000 mace) 22:32:55 eeviac: in the proposal i wrote up, it was guardian spirit, but spent MP increases glow and getting attacked while glowing triggers reactive casting 22:33:13 reactive casting? 22:33:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:33:32 eeviac: a passive effect in response to being attacked 22:33:49 can you assign chain lightning as a reactive cast 22:34:08 actually ball lightning would be more fun 22:34:13 static discharge 22:34:17 (I've suggested this before) 22:34:19 in that proposal it was hexes/charms themed 22:34:33 grunt quick go make tmuts toggleable 22:34:35 hurry 22:34:40 either it would detect an enemy and backlash via a hex, or it would just cast one of your known charms on you 22:34:41 ddoor on hit 22:34:45 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:36:10 Basil: so one thing to consider with biting is that you'll often get hit, and lose MP, immediately after regaining it 22:36:15 it'd have to work like... it picks from a list of all buffs, then checks to see if you know it, then casts it 22:36:28 otherwise you'd just learn haste and forget everything else 22:36:30 have you thought about a passive aura instead? 22:36:56 What sort? 22:37:08 suck MP from all adjacent enemies, perhap 22:37:10 s 22:38:07 hmm 22:38:16 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:37 Well, manadrain restores 1dDamage (2dDamage against elves and similar spellcasters) 22:38:50 or 1/2dDamageDone, rather 22:39:10 which is usually a lot of mana 22:39:41 and since spirit shield drains a proportion of your mana depending on your hp remaining, 22:40:18 You can bite and easily get enough mana for a parrow or something 22:40:25 Eronarn: enemies have MP now? 22:41:47 SamB: presumably it would work like how antimagic does and not actually be based on MP 22:42:12 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 22:42:50 SamB: I am tempted to ask about the rebuild, but I think I'll start a character on CAO in the meantime, instead. :P 22:43:30 paulsomebody: probably a good choice 22:44:46 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1576-gf4c5cb9 22:45:59 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:46:35 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:02 Oh hm, a minor note that ##crawl reminded me about 22:48:13 weapon apts are -1, UC is +0 22:48:57 -!- morik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:51:45 Is there a password recovery option for CAO? 22:52:01 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 22:53:32 <|amethyst> currently, I am the password recovery option 22:53:36 hehehe 22:53:37 <|amethyst> what account? 22:54:44 |amethyst: Sorry about that. Somebody. 22:54:48 <|amethyst> hm 22:54:55 <|amethyst> I suspect this is a fake email address 22:55:06 |amethyst: What is it? 22:55:14 |amethyst: Wait, it gets better. The problem is, I can't seem to remember was it I who registered it, or someone else, as it's not in my LastPass. 22:55:37 !lg Somebody cao 22:55:37 1. Somebody the Stinger (L1 OpVM), quit the game on D:1 on 2012-04-23 17:49:57, with 63 points after 173 turns and 0:00:44. 22:55:50 hmm, do you think they really deserve this account? 22:56:02 !lm Somebody cao 22:56:02 No milestones for Somebody (cao). 22:56:37 <|amethyst> perhaps not, but I'm not about to get into the business of deciding who deserves and doesn't deserve the account 22:56:43 <|amethyst> the email is zzz@zzz.net 22:57:01 |amethyst: Uggh, that was definitely not I. 22:57:24 paulsomebody: maybe just play as paulsomebody 22:57:43 |amethyst: Okay, let's drop the matter, I'll register a different account. 22:57:47 <|amethyst> can use nick mapping for in-channel statistics purposes 22:58:15 <|amethyst> When we (eventually) get a centralised player DB we'll have to resolve situations like this 22:58:36 <|amethyst> but that will prevent them from being an issue in the future 22:58:58 SamB: Rinkworks name generator suggested a profound and insightful nickname "Emnn". 22:59:10 <|amethyst> Isn't he a rapper? 22:59:13 yay, clan is linking 22:59:23 SamB: It's fitting, given how I got into the CAO. 22:59:25 <|amethyst> kilobyte: bet it's not gold :) 23:00:00 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-1576-gf4c5cb9 (34) 23:01:15 SamB: Appartenly, I'll play as a MuCK later. :) Thanks. 23:01:18 -!- Medar has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:02:12 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:08 SamB: It's fixed, at least in my case. 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