00:01:36 Medar: what's the problem there? 00:04:26 is there something wrong with the manual on cszo or does the manual in trunk actually have Stabbing and Traps in it 00:04:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:05 wheals: documentation? What's that? 00:05:17 (i.e. it probably still is there because we hate documenting things <_<) 00:05:42 wheals: why not fix it 00:05:43 I think it is easy to forget some people use it 00:05:50 if i feel bored i might write and submit a patch with a lot of fixes 00:05:52 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1547-g38b6ab9 (34) 00:06:07 wheals is getting BORED. 00:06:09 wheals: you can actually just edit the copy on the devwiki and then poke us to resynch 00:06:10 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1547-g38b6ab9 (34) 00:06:16 oho 00:06:41 is that copy supposed to be accurate for... stable, or trunk? 00:06:50 trunk, isn't it? 00:08:13 well it has the three new races 00:08:15 the wiki manual is supposed to be the "definitive" trunk manual yes 00:08:29 ah so that's what not branched means 00:08:52 (except when trunk gets branched in which case it has to be the manual for the upcoming release and there's nowhere to put trunk changes) 00:09:16 oookay ... 00:09:26 man now that I'm reading it I can't even tell what some of it is supposed to mean 00:09:28 a good start 00:09:55 The 'draining' mechanic is not described anywhere in the documentation by putridmelon 00:09:56 i think that i'm not even going to touch 5. List of enchantments 00:10:00 so many status lights 00:10:49 the difference between special enchantments and general enchantments is very not clear here too 00:11:12 magical and natural would make more sense 00:11:20 one of them involves an inertial reference frame ? 00:12:09 can't figure out why swift is general but constr is special 00:13:29 I don't think the distinction is very helpful as it is done 00:13:29 the thing about doing it on the wiki is that i'd feel awkward not doing everything all at once 00:13:56 doing it bit by bit would be better probably 00:14:20 i'll just tell you guts to resync when i feel like i'm done 00:14:30 I think the "enchantments"/status lights probably should be divided between good and bad instead? 00:14:35 well, if you want to write patches we might be able to find some kind of Grunt to fix up the wiki ... 00:14:40 i was thinking magic and natural 00:14:42 They mostly do fall into those categories easily 00:15:15 Alternately they just should not be divided at all, the distinction is pretty confusing 00:15:44 that could work too, though it's a long list 00:16:01 well right now it is a long list that is just not sorted in a helpful way 00:16:20 but instead into 2 pretty arbitrary categories 00:16:40 (Am definitely fishing for opinions on this, as long as the manual is getting attention) 00:17:12 maybe natural, buffs spells, and monster spells 00:18:03 i guess that boils down to "good" and "bad" 00:18:12 which could work 00:18:23 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1547-g38b6ab9 (34) 00:18:51 Also I don't see one for berserk 00:18:56 which seems important 00:19:02 i do see one for nausea though 00:19:08 good 00:19:10 Well that still exists 00:19:15 just not from food 00:19:19 Er, wait 00:19:27 no that is retching I guess? 00:19:33 yes 00:19:36 or is there still some way of getting nausea 00:19:38 you cant quaff with retch 00:19:42 I am thinking for some reason there is 00:19:42 so its different 00:19:54 But I can't think of -what- it is so I am probably not right 00:19:56 is everyone ok with the name retching 00:20:02 <|amethyst> So you know how Corpse Rot prints "you smell decay" 00:20:06 <|amethyst> guess what doesn't happen if you're invisible 00:20:17 wow does invisibility kill your sense of smell 00:20:20 good side effects 00:20:28 <|amethyst> it checks whether you can see the caster :) 00:20:31 corpse rot needs a new message since it conflicts with rot 00:20:53 i think at least, i forget, but iirc somehow corpse rot and rotting? have a similar/same message 00:20:58 wow so smell in crawl is actually sight 00:21:00 i guess i should look into it first 00:21:07 is this what happens when existence collapses into 2 dimensions 00:21:10 also good bug 00:21:15 i think "you smell decay" is when monsters rot maybe 00:21:18 like bog bodies 00:21:25 <|amethyst> there is one particular miscast effect that prints that message and gives you rot 00:21:35 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:21:39 <|amethyst> you can also get the message from rotting food in your inventory 00:22:13 03BlackSheep02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1548-g09a3b55: Allow retreating allies to go hostile when attacked 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=09a3b55cb882 00:22:13 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1549-g59b21fe: Don't credit the player for Kiku wrath corpse rot (#7878) 10(37 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=59b21feb4a0d 00:22:13 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1550-gf2134fc: Improve Corpse Rot messaging. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2134fc0af86 00:22:15 yes it was necro miscast and casting corpse rot 00:22:18 sounds right 00:24:53 i'm not quite done with finals but i'll try to work on improving the manual probably next week 00:26:43 -!- freelancespy87 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:27:17 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:27:22 Did you make some edits 00:27:50 not yet, i'm just looking over it all for now 00:27:57 03Medar02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-18-gce2a2bb: Fix sorting describe monster list (?/M) 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce2a2bb482d9 00:27:57 03BlackSheep02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.1-19-g4b9377e: Allow retreating allies to go hostile when attacked 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4b9377e27580 00:27:58 -!- johlstei__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:28:15 I might just quickly add the status lights I can think of that are missing 00:29:10 retch, drain, berserk, howl 00:29:27 howl is... spirit wolves, right 00:29:29 yes 00:29:32 IMO remove the ones that are just from spells since there are so many ones 00:29:38 Should that even be in there, I guess it should be 00:29:39 so toss touch and blade 00:29:45 why 00:30:13 im sure theres some really weird source you can get those from 00:30:19 also don't feel like deleting any 00:30:20 well there are so many 00:30:40 also, -cTele, cTele, Tele, and -Tele 00:30:48 there are some that should go but I'd rather add first. Even though the negative line count devs would disapprove :( 00:30:56 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:31:06 the spell ones do specifically say they don't go in there 00:31:17 <|amethyst> you also get Touch from fungus form 00:31:27 <|amethyst> so it's no longer spell-specific 00:31:45 is blade from a card or anything or still just sure blade? 00:32:09 oh, there's also fear 00:32:14 opposite of mesm 00:32:31 fear def. should be there I guess 00:32:42 i'm too tired to trust myself to do editing 00:32:44 so many status lights 00:32:48 oh i see what youre doing now, i didnt actually look at the link 00:33:24 is exh used only for berserk, ddoor, and jumping? 00:33:49 and that, wow so many 00:33:51 fuck it i'll work on doing this myself 00:33:59 OK, enjoy 00:34:31 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:24 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 00:35:29 <|amethyst> wheals: Chei wrath can give you exhaustion 00:35:48 <|amethyst> also Trog wrath 00:36:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:36:24 i think i'll remove Swift and Blade 00:37:18 might as well keep RMsl for amulet of air, and DMsl if i'm keeping RMsl 00:38:43 -!- Lorenz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:40:25 ds mutation also exists 00:45:45 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1550-gf2134fc 00:58:09 ok i added all the status lights i could think of and organized it into good and bad 00:59:15 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:05:31 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:11:03 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:15:09 -!- maahes has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:27:03 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:35 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:35:33 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:40:55 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:46:27 -!- joosa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:47:54 -!- joosa 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seconds] 05:00:14 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 05:09:47 -!- Trevise_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:16:20 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:24:01 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:25:53 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 05:31:36 -!- Roarke has joined ##crawl-dev 05:33:20 I think I encountered a bug. 05:33:30 And by "think" I mean I know I did. 05:35:15 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:39:26 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:45:55 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:46:22 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 05:50:29 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:54:51 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:55:19 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:04:23 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:04:37 guys 06:04:59 if you're going on about realism in our crawl now, explain eveningstars 06:06:17 LordLovebone (L15 VpWn) ASSERT(!at_branch_bottom()) in 'stairs.cc' at line 560 failed. (D:16) 06:06:42 !lm * crash 06:06:43 5800. [2013-12-18 12:06:14] LordLovebone the Fetichist (L15 VpWn) ASSERT(!at branch bottom()) in 'stairs.cc' at line 560 failed on turn 38578. (D:16) 06:06:44 !lm * crash -log 06:06:45 5800. LordLovebone, XL15 VpWn, T:38578 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/LordLovebone/crash-LordLovebone-20131218-120614.txt 06:07:57 -!- maahes_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:10:36 Roarke: Well, what was it? 06:26:15 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:27:19 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:28:03 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:30:35 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:15 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:21 Medar; It happens when I read a Curse card 06:34:24 On max power 06:34:31 I had a holy wrath weapon in inventory 06:34:39 And it tries to curse the weapon like a million times 06:35:06 isn't there supposed to be a .1% chance that even a max power curse stops working early? 06:35:17 (per item) 06:35:50 Who knows 06:35:58 All I know was my message log was filled out by it 06:36:15 I was holding Space for like half a minute 06:40:13 -!- Roarke has left ##crawl-dev 06:44:41 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:38 Hmm. If you don't want your good items cursed, you can carry around extra weapons/armour/jewellery. 06:45:53 That doesn't seem too nice. 06:46:46 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:54 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:54:35 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:00:31 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 07:04:12 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:08:31 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:12:02 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-1551-ge850d6c: Avoid a long message loop with curse card and holy brand weapons 10(3 minutes ago, 4 files, 14+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e850d6cf28c6 07:12:38 I guess the code should change to have 1 in x chance per item. 07:13:45 -!- Ladykiller69 is now known as FORTHEGREATERGOO 07:13:57 -!- FORTHEGREATERGOO is now known as Ladykiller69 07:18:28 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:23 why were great maces made much less frequent? 07:22:18 You can read some discussion from the logs. 07:22:26 IRC logs that is 07:22:39 :( 07:22:47 ? 07:22:49 logs 07:23:00 What's wrong with logs. 07:23:08 that i have to read them 07:23:12 and that they tend to be long 07:23:58 but yeah, i guess there is no super easy short answer 07:25:00 Maybe there is, but I don't know it. 07:25:10 Oh, great maces are less common now? 07:25:19 Did any other weapon classes get tweaked? 07:25:45 I guess great maces were pretty good (and maces in general as a weapon choice) 07:25:55 Also they do less damage. 07:26:10 Oh, wow 07:26:11 Don't think anything else was changed, unless you count renaming. 07:26:21 That sounds like a pretty big nerf then. 07:26:49 %git great mace 07:26:49 Could not find commit great mace (git returned 128) 07:26:59 %git mace 07:26:59 Could not find commit mace (git returned 128) 07:27:10 triple swords are 20 -4 20 now instead of 19 -4 19 07:27:19 Oh, I missed that. 07:27:37 (they will always be triple swords in my heart) 07:27:58 And in the hearts of your enemies 07:28:05 alefury: Did triple swords get renamed? 07:34:20 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:33 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-1552-gb639169: Retry sending to WebTiles socket on EINTR 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b639169e2963 07:37:46 ??cbus[6 07:37:47 cbus[6/7]: Walks around with a lochaber axe stuck in his heart. 07:38:38 is there a reason for Zigs to charge a fee? All it does is forcing scumming for gold in Pan. 07:39:24 and prevents newbies from splatting on D:5, but there's no reason for Zigs to spawn there 07:45:38 4ip triple swords 07:46:17 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 07:46:24 I think it makes sense to have a fee. The loot is really good and the threat is quite small on early levels. 07:47:02 And scumming for gold in Pan isn't something you do if you want to win, even with 15 runes. Only if you want to do something silly and clear multiple zigs. 07:47:17 At least that's my (limited) experience. 07:48:43 Plus it just seems nice to have an end game use for gold. 07:50:15 ackack (L17 DgAr) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 215: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Swamp:5) 07:50:29 spituna (L1 DEWz) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 215: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:1) 07:50:56 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:52:53 I'm guessing I have ackack and spituna to blame for the immense slow down. 07:53:17 tellian (L10 GrGl) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 231: Socket write error: Interrupted system call (D:7) 07:53:23 yeah 07:53:40 the one thing I have with gold is that if you get unlucky with shop rolls it's nigh-useless in a 3-runer 07:53:52 It's entirely possible to get nothing but the 4 shops in Orc:$ 07:54:20 i agree with medar, you need to have some reason to keep people from just wandering in and doing the first few levels of a zig for free 07:54:28 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:54:51 pisklak (L3 GrSk) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 215: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:2) 07:54:51 an alternative could be shortening zigs 07:54:58 and just starting them at a higher level of danger 07:56:55 zejeff (L15 LOFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 215: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Swamp:2) 07:57:36 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 25.0/20131102041233]] 07:59:35 (Seems the slowdown suddenly cleared up; I'm guessing some games were close.) 08:07:55 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:14:43 well the punishment for just doing the first few levels for free would be that you can't go back later, no? 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10:32:07 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:32:39 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:41 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 10:34:24 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:37:55 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:39 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:43:31 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:25 i think maybe Dg should have its xp apt changed to -1 10:48:30 the effect of having that bad an xp apt is that after the first couple levels dg seems to play quite a bit more like a 0 hp apt species 10:48:33 for example 10:48:39 -!- Dr_Ke has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:55 !lm * recent br.end=lair hu--|mf|vp|ds|dg s=race x=avg(mmhp) 10:48:58 4115 milestones for * (recent br.end=lair (hu-- || mf || vp || ds || dg)): 1872x Demonspawn [94.77], 648x Merfolk [101.01], 607x Vampire [87.05], 501x Demigod [94.41], 487x Human [96.97] 10:49:16 by the end of lair dg has fewer hp on avg than most 0 hp apt races 10:50:06 the stats are very nice, but having no god is already a very big drawback and having one of the more attractive stats quasi-nerfed by the xp apt seems a bit much 10:51:36 ??lg 10:51:36 listgame[1/6]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: http://github.com/greensnark/dcss_henzell/raw/master/docs/listgame.md 10:51:58 * SamB guesses he should update his henzell clone ... 10:52:10 I wonder how overpowered they would be with sid/1. 10:53:49 that seems pretty excessive, yes 10:54:01 although with dex stepdowns actually maybe not 10:54:23 -!- bisonbisonbison has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:54:41 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 10:54:46 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:56:27 -!- wifigrill has quit [Client Quit] 10:57:06 !lm * recent br.end=lair s=race x=avg(mmhp) o=avg(mmhp) -graph 10:57:09 25770 milestones for * (recent br.end=lair): http://shalott.org/graphs/1fb1d6720fa32123bedb4524bc25d98f6a8598fb.html 10:57:26 huh, never heard of that host before really 10:58:58 -!- Kintak has left ##crawl-dev 11:01:20 ackack: i'm not a fan of xp apt precisley for this reason 11:01:42 never seen it executed well in a game 11:02:31 feature suggestion, for the sake of balance and sanity — make him help you character keep their enchantments alive, extending their duration, when no monsters are in sight. 11:03:25 This will make being in Lich-form while worshiping Cheibriados less annoying — you won't have to re-cast it twice as much. 11:05:00 It is already here with metabolism, this perfectly reasonable point just needs to be take a step further. 11:05:37 Well the metabolism is irrelevant since it's based on actions and not time. 11:06:05 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:06:54 Bloax: "Cheibriados slows and strengthens your metabolism." What does this line mean, then? 11:08:27 // If Cheibriados has slowed your life processes, you will hunger less. 11:08:27 if (you_worship(GOD_CHEIBRIADOS) && you.piety >= piety_breakpoint(0)) 11:08:27 hunger = hunger * 3 / 4; 11:08:40 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:09:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:50 Bloax: Okay, thanks. What do you think of my suggestion, regardless of metabolism? 11:11:03 It could be nice. 11:11:07 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:11:31 Although I like the exploit of walking slowness off in a couple of turns. 11:14:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:15:50 -!- Guest_41 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:16:18 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 11:21:06 Bloax: What's this exploit? I am not at all familiar with it. 11:21:12 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:21:27 kind of slows your walking down a lot. 11:21:47 Combine that with slow and the fact that its duration isn't based on raw turns, and voila. 11:21:52 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1553-gd6e6ad4 (34) 11:22:18 you can walk around at some 3.6 turns/step and wear it off much faster than if you'd just hit 5. 11:23:40 Bloax: Ahh, I see. Thanks. 11:24:46 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:11 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:29:36 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:34:35 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:09 Please ping me if anyone with the commit access voices an opinion about the suggestion. :p 11:36:17 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:37:08 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:12 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:00 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 11:45:04 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 11:54:27 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:55:54 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 11:56:44 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [*.net *.split] 11:56:44 -!- Nivim has quit [*.net *.split] 11:56:44 -!- Sequell has quit [*.net *.split] 11:56:44 -!- Adeon has quit [*.net *.split] 11:56:44 -!- robbje has quit [*.net *.split] 11:56:45 -!- herself has quit [*.net *.split] 12:01:39 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:58 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 12:13:08 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:08 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:08 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:26 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:16:37 -!- Kurshu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:12 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 12:21:15 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:22:46 was liquefaction ever nerfed, or is it still a weird overpowered version of Slow? 12:23:17 i recall people finding out the spell was good, but i cant remember if there was any change to it 12:24:10 Leda's? 12:24:15 yeah 12:24:16 I don't remember it changing at all ever. 12:24:52 i was just curious if there was ever a reason the spell doesn't just create temporary shallow water 12:25:06 instead of some weird mud stuff that isn't really terrain 12:26:51 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 12:32:37 hmm, Sequell didn't seem to honour my o= in the graph :-( 12:36:08 evilmike: SamB: Grunt: Would anyone mind giving me a bit of feedback about my Chei balance idea, please? :p 12:36:19 Statue form not working properly for swimming octopodes by Mankeli 12:37:53 "Cheibriados feature suggestion, for the sake of balance and sanity — make him help you character keep their enchantments alive, extending their duration, when no monsters are in sight. This will make being in Lich-form while worshiping Cheibriados less annoying — you won't have to re-cast it twice as much. It is already here with metabolism, this perfectly reasonable point just needs to be take a step further." 12:38:08 Igxfl (L17 OgWr) ASSERT(!at_branch_bottom()) in 'stairs.cc' at line 560 failed. (Shoals:5) 12:38:47 seems reasonable. i think tmut durations are too short in general anyway 12:39:24 evilmike: i believe leda's no longer applies to action speed 12:39:45 ah, that is a huge nerf then. i wonder if the spell even has a use 12:40:03 before it used to mess up your melee, but ranged attacks still worked fine, and it slowed enemies 12:40:09 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:26 supposedly it is still pretty good, it does give you more chances to shoot at things before they close 12:40:32 i haven't used it since the change 12:40:54 evilmike: Currently it makes Necromutation duration horrible forcing you to re-cast it every 'o' key press, even at full power. 12:55:38 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:56:32 Compiler warnings about redundant declarations by BlackSheep 13:00:57 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:03:31 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:52 -!- Nightbeer is now known as Ladykiller69 13:07:55 evilmike: Should I put it into Mantis, then? 13:08:29 if you wrote a patch, you're free to upload it there 13:10:33 evilmike: Uhmm, no. I'll just file a bug report. 13:14:47 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:15:07 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:55 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:13 evilmike: it should probably be water-like but not actually water due to stuff like easy steam with fire magic, or keeping leda's casting enemies around as merfolk 13:21:17 -!- fgdfds has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:22 that being said it should probably have some other effects, or be lower level 13:22:00 -!- evilmike_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:10 oh, did you get that? 13:23:11 -!- fgdfds is now known as nonethousand 13:23:20 -!- nonethousand has quit [Changing host] 13:23:20 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:20 -!- nonethousand has quit [Changing host] 13:23:20 -!- nonethousand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:21 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:28:19 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:02 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:03 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30:39 -!- maahes_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:30:50 -!- evilmike_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:32:55 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:33:57 -!- freesalad has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:34:02 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 13:35:33 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:55 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:48 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:39:48 evilmike: ledas was nerfed actually 13:40:28 ah i did catch up to the line that someone else pointed out it got a nerf 13:40:33 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:40:48 it mightve been too good at that point but it was fun in any case. ive used it post nerf and it was still good and usable 13:41:02 the original was cool in how it was a secret tech for a long time 13:41:04 its just a spell no one ever uses. even before it was altered it was stupidly powerful yet no one used it 13:41:19 -!- Guest_41 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:37 one day i decided to use it on a ghee of sif... that was definitely one of my favorite wins, since it used lrd and other spells in conjunction with ledas, and not a bow/xbow 13:41:39 i was actually more wondering about the initial design anyway, the weird slowM thing, it seems like temp shallow water would've made more sense 13:42:05 i think its not shallow water so it affects merfolk/giants/etc 13:42:25 since its some mud water... thing it has an excuse to just affect everything grounded 13:42:33 hmm i guess that makes sense yeah, player merfolk would just spam it 13:43:26 anyway i think ledas is actually a great spell and its really fun... its just not popular probably because its not necessarily a cast and forget spell 13:44:02 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:44:11 hmm, i wonder how new swiftness interacts with shallow water 13:44:50 i think its the melee penalty that drives people away 13:44:51 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:00 although if it's no longer "free slowing" it might not need the melee thing either? 13:45:28 well it was intended to be a ranged combat spell yes? 13:45:31 yes 13:45:41 i think it should keep the melee penalty 13:45:42 also ledas is a good defense option for that reason, so enemies miss on you entirely 13:45:42 however, that doesn't mean it has to be bad for melee 13:45:59 whenever I used it, it was at point blank and I just (cross)bowed people in the face 13:46:10 well i use it before things come to me 13:46:13 then i just hit them a bunch 13:46:25 the cool thing was being able to "tank" hydras 13:46:28 because they couldnt hit me 13:46:33 despite having bad defenses 13:47:08 i wonder if more people would use it if it were a cone-shaped temp blind hex, that also covers those tiles in mud 13:48:42 -!- Lisa_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:06 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:29 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 13:49:48 alternately, what if it let you sculpt terrain during the spell duration? turn tiles into damaging to walk over, or slow+fumble, or maybe other stuff 13:51:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:51:56 -!- tsohg_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:53:04 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:27 -!- reaverbot has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:47 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:39 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:06:44 -!- Zermako has quit [] 14:15:50 eronarn: that last idea sounds like an interface nightmare 14:17:41 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:21:48 -!- Leissi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:31:25 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:33:41 -!- evilmike has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:35:20 ackack: howso? 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15:57:43 -!- nonethousand has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:57:45 well, I heard someone say medium stealth was annoying because it makes it harder to draw monsters out without actually letting you sneak up on them, but I have no idea if that's related to a bar 15:58:10 lol, nop it isn't but thanlks :) 15:58:24 CedorDark: did you make a patch or propose a feature? 15:58:51 I made a patch on ... thursday? 15:59:01 (the day before friday) 15:59:19 and I needed advices on some points 15:59:29 where did you post it? 15:59:39 (And As I was away until now, I wonder if there was any comments) 15:59:42 mantis 15:59:45 (this would be a good time to use %bug if you put it on mantis) 15:59:58 %bug MR bar 16:00:11 hmm, it only works with numbers I think 16:00:15 ah 16:00:18 wait a sec then 16:00:55 %bug 7857 16:00:55 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7857 16:01:02 ok... 16:01:07 useless command :p 16:01:37 hmm, somewhat 16:01:43 I forgot it just gave the URL 16:02:03 but it's handy if you aren't copy-pasting from the bug in the browser 16:02:25 yep, the point is it's the only thing we really need 16:02:59 like, if someone "!tell"s someone else about a bug or something 16:03:22 * SamB waits for his browser to really swap in ... 16:04:19 -!- Tellian has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:07:53 -!- syllogism has quit [] 16:10:39 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:26 -!- Zeor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16:34 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:21:59 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:24:43 SamB, still aroun here? 16:24:47 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: gn8] 16:24:55 hmm ? 16:25:33 are you still around here, y/n? 16:25:35 -!- TAS-2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:25:45 sorry, I got distracted 16:25:53 could you delete a file from my entry 7857 on mantis? 16:26:01 (no problem) 16:26:09 oh, you want to add a new one ? 16:26:20 already add one 16:26:35 it's a minor correction 16:26:47 hmm, one of those is much longer than the other 16:26:47 and i'll add an alternative after 16:27:05 remove the ... 16:27:09 grmbl 16:27:11 shortest 16:27:14 please 16:27:27 (and the oldest) 16:27:53 (I mean, the oldest and shortest) 16:28:26 what's this about the _itosym ? 16:28:33 yep 16:28:43 I rewrited it all 16:29:35 -!- jameyd has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:30:17 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:31:00 kilobyte: what do you think of that itosym thing in the patch for https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7857 ? 16:31:22 oh, made something wrong about it? 16:32:55 kilobyte: I'm just wondering if he thinks it's a good idea, basically 16:33:09 I mean sure, generality is nice ... 16:33:36 the things that choked me is it was pure code duplication 16:33:51 but yours is so LONG 16:34:12 that's why I rewrited it (instead of adding another specific function) 16:34:14 ah 16:34:34 if it's you'r main concern, i can optimyse it :p 16:34:39 (really :p) 16:34:56 well, it's not JUST the length but I'm not sure it's easy to read 16:35:43 ok 16:35:44 anyway, regardless of the merit of this implementation, I'd recommend splitting it into a separate patch 16:35:51 yep 16:35:56 i'll do this 16:36:21 (must only learn how to uncommit thing) 16:36:34 and it wouldn't hurt to have some comments about what it's for, now that it's not easy to see just by looking at the strings 16:36:40 ok 16:37:34 (and this why I hate ammending commits) 16:37:59 "git reset --mixed" 16:38:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:06 thanks 16:41:26 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:47 |amethyst: cszo seems to be dropping packets - any idea what's going on? 16:42:03 |amethyst: More ISP hiccups possibly? 16:42:56 Grunt: dropped packets don't sound good at all 16:43:04 what kind of lossage are you seeing? 16:43:14 50% 16:43:20 "The apocalypse crab breathes chaos at you. The blast of chaos engulfs you! You resist. _You are engulfed in seething chaos. You feel yourself speed up. Cheibriados thinks you should slow down. You feel extremely guilty. "You will pay for your transgression, mortal!" You are being crushed by all of your possessions." 16:43:25 Is this supposed to happen? 16:43:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:43:39 Some messages omitted for clarity. 16:43:51 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:43:51 paulsomebody: I swear I fixed that a while ago... perhaps it got broken again in some recent change? 16:44:09 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:09 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:09 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 16:44:09 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:12 Grunt: wow, I'm seeing 75% lossage! 16:44:24 %git :/penance 16:44:25 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-1275-g900ae75: Replace thrashing horror frenzy with might 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=900ae755d162 16:44:30 %git :/kiku 16:44:31 07|amethyst02 * 0.11-a0-2266-g35619ea: Simplify tgw_kikubaaqudgha using the new never_corpse tag. 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=35619ead0775 16:44:35 %git :/Kiku 16:44:35 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-1549-g59b21fe: Don't credit the player for Kiku wrath corpse rot (#7878) 10(17 hours ago, 2 files, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=59b21feb4a0d 16:44:39 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 16:44:39 %git HEAD^{/haos.*hei} 16:44:40 07Grunt02 * 0.12-a0-1775-g488e642: Tiles for Jorgrun and Lamia; use colour-cycling butterfly for chaos butterfly. 10(11 months ago, 5 files, 13+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=488e6427bb00 16:44:47 %git HEAD^{/hei.*haos} 16:44:48 07HangedMan02 {|amethyst} * 0.14-a0-1349-gba891f5: Further ziggurat set buffs, new pillar vaults 10(12 days ago, 2 files, 190+ 107-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba891f5e5630 16:44:50 not that couldn't have broken it 16:44:55 %git HEAD^{/hei.*haos}^^{/hei.*haos} 16:44:55 07Grunt02 * 0.13-a0-816-gb11031e: Indicate non-potion / player blame for beam potion effects (#7060). 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 12+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b11031e36bb3 16:45:13 That's the fix... 16:46:02 Grunt: This have been happening to me a few times recently. Can the fact that I could have chosen to move away from the seething chaos square, but did not, was the cause of Cheibriados blaming me? 16:46:10 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:46:41 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:47:19 Grunt: If not, then this would be a good god suggestion. 16:47:22 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:32 rip |amethyst 16:47:32 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:48:12 %git dbef0e0e 16:48:13 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-32-gdbef0e0: Blame the player for effects from known /RE and chaos (#7576) 10(3 months ago, 5 files, 33+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbef0e0e92f7 16:49:00 For example follower's of TSO shield of reflection can always deflect bolts of venom and negative energy *away* from sentient attackers, in accordance to the player's conscious decision to abide by his god's honor code, instead of current "no blame" situation. 16:49:41 I was standing inside my own Tornado and there have been a single square of seething chaos, at my location. 16:49:53 Does that qualify? 16:50:39 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:54:52 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:03 Grunt: To get a bit of closure, do you think this was a bug or not? 16:55:53 -!- hauki has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:56:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:57:14 paulsomebody: see above commit; ask |amethyst if it's intentional. 16:58:40 Grunt: Sorry, I did not realize this was a response to my question. Okay, I'll ask. 17:00:54 Surely it isn't. That was meant for wands of random effects etc. 17:03:14 Medar: This behavior was completely justified in my case, I could have moved away from *one* cloud of seething chaos, or chose not step into it, respecting my god's wishes, but I don't think the code in question makes the distinction between those two cases — I was put under penance when it have been breathed a large cloud of seething chaos at, too. 17:03:51 |amethyst: Can you please take a look at the few above lines of my correspondence with Grunt? ;) 17:03:54 paulsomebody: yes but can the game know that it was reasonable to expect you to do that? 17:04:15 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/pinkmodo.png maybe we should make them pink? 17:04:15 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 17:04:36 Yeah, it just doesn't work that way. 17:06:23 i assume the intent there was that TSO worshippers shouldn't wield chaos weapons since they might poison, and so on 17:08:52 wheals: I know, this was a good idea. 17:09:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:09:37