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So it should take like 20 seconds or something 07:53:18 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:53:24 <|amethyst> But webtiles is still up and responding, so it works anyway 07:55:53 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:56 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:02:17 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:03:55 -!- inok has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:06:11 -!- Somefellow has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:07:36 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:07:37 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:07:41 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:07:51 -!- heteroy_ is now known as heteroy 08:07:59 -!- caracal_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:08:18 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:08:22 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:08:59 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:09:57 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:10:00 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 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same sort pf mistakes in my own language 09:53:50 which mantis issue discusses that? 09:54:06 7837 09:54:24 plus an older one which is linked from 7837 09:54:33 oh Medar, you're the webtiles specialist? 09:55:17 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: what about "targetter"? 09:55:18 That's my official title. 09:55:38 oh i didn't think to check for that 09:55:40 nice, i'll bother you a minute then 09:56:17 I was wondering why webtiles don't provide all the nice recent title screens 09:56:37 and i'm not sure I understand wich part of the code is concerned 09:57:30 <|amethyst> BTW, most recent RLL is up, with dpeg and bhaak among others: http://www.roguelikeradio.com/2013/12/episode-84-nethack.html 09:57:39 Bit busy now. I can take a look in an hour or so. 09:57:50 i'm not on a hurry :p 09:57:58 <|amethyst> hm 09:58:01 <|amethyst> let me check something 09:58:15 Was about to say that maybe |amethyst knows more though. 09:58:31 %git 4e756f5 09:58:31 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-1235-g4e756f5: Enable several splash screens accidentally omitted from builds. 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e756f5a04e2 09:58:33 <|amethyst> hm, they *should* be there now 09:58:37 ok 09:58:53 i'll check once lantea will update 09:59:39 <|amethyst> You're right, I'm still not seeing anything newer than shadyamish's optm screen 09:59:53 oh wait, it's an old commit 10:00:10 Wouldn't be surprised if they were just hardcoded somewhere in .js 10:00:20 that's what I tought 10:00:21 or even in html template 10:00:23 actually 10:00:30 <|amethyst> ohh 10:00:31 ok 10:00:36 <|amethyst> yeah 10:01:35 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 25.0/20131102041233]] 10:01:36 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 10:02:37 -!- CKyle_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:57 -!- floatboth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1408-ge6af5e3: Add the newer title screens to webtiles. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e6af5e33730d 10:04:39 (I think I really dislike js...) 10:04:48 njut :) 10:06:04 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:06:33 (I missed theses lines) 10:07:38 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:08:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:10:27 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1408-ge6af5e3 (34) 10:10:47 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:11:09 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:29 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 10:13:07 -!- floatboth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13:45 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 e6af5e3 makes modifications to crawl-master/webserver/templates/clients.html that you will need to apply manually (because the trunk updated doesn't replace client.html) 10:13:45 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 10:17:12 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:20:21 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:23:35 -!- imantor_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:24:10 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 10:24:11 -!- CKyle_ is now known as CKyle 10:31:53 -!- Mandevil has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:21 -!- imantor has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:34:58 -!- imantor has quit [Client Quit] 10:37:48 !tell galehar why does the Android build require network rights? 10:37:49 kilobyte: OK, I'll let galehar know. 10:38:44 not sure if the right to access the whole filesystem is required to read/write to your own dir, too 10:39:51 android doesn't have per-path read/write constraints that I've seen 10:39:54 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 10:40:39 you mean, even the program's own data dir? 10:41:02 yes 10:41:39 well, the package requires two rights: network access and whole filesystem access 10:43:19 the only permissions I see are READ_EXTERNAL_STORAGE and WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE (which refer to a mounted sdcard, as distinct from onboard which is usually more tightly restricted) 10:43:53 (note I am not looking at crawl itself here, just looking through permissions for various apps I have installed, via a permissions scanner) 10:45:03 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:08 android doesn't have selinux, there's rather limited ability to set file access 10:45:27 and apps don't get their own uids/gids 10:45:43 <|amethyst> kilobyte: apparently API version 19 (in Kitkat) adds the ability to access a particular directory without permissions 10:46:02 <|amethyst> http://developer.android.com/reference/android/Manifest.permission.html#WRITE_EXTERNAL_STORAGE 10:46:57 checked the extended description, it's indeed "modify/delete SD card contents" 10:47:05 which seems pointless for Crawl 10:47:33 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:47:36 <|amethyst> kilobyte: where would we put things like the .des cache and saves then? 10:47:36 What is a correct flag to be used instead of 'you.profession'? 10:48:22 |amethyst: on the internal eMMC, just like the rest of Crawl itself? 10:48:26 android does have selinux though, it just probably doesn't use it for restricting file access 10:49:02 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:49:04 "SD card contents" are usually on another partition of the very same eMMC anyway 10:49:10 yeh, it's not using it very well/smartly at all (although it sounds like kitkat is starting to change that? long past time for that, I think) 10:49:34 geekosaur, well, kitkat defaults to enforcing mode at least, but I've never looked into what the policy is like 10:51:08 geekosaur, but apps actually to get their own uids 10:51:11 the documentation |amethyst just linked to says it's about "external storage", which sounds like extsd 10:51:53 huh. I had not noticed that in the past? then again the last time I looked closely was quite some time ago by android standards 10:52:04 <|amethyst> I don't know Android very well, but I thought you couldn't write to internal storage without permissions? 10:52:05 geekosaur, has been that way since day one, at least for public releases 10:52:24 |amethyst, what do you mean by 'internal storage'? 10:52:48 geekosaur: at least network access is implemented this way: every Unix user is in fact one installed program, and those who are authorized to access the network are included in Unix group 303 10:53:50 <|amethyst> oh, I see, you can write to an app-private dir on the internal fs 10:54:01 (which by the way sucks if you try to use an Android kernel for a regular OS (if you don't have its sources)) 10:54:10 -!- inok_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:54:43 device vendors obeying the GPL? hahaha 10:55:09 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:55:46 kilobyte, meh, google itself has stopped caring about open sourcing stuff long ago 10:55:50 anybody remember honeycomb? :P 10:56:50 and all of the relevant apps being slowly 'moved to play store' from AOSP 10:58:38 I quite fail to see how any sane person would give Google login to an Android device anyway 10:58:59 fdroid has orders of magnitude less stuff, but about anything on play has ads or spyware 10:59:21 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:00:49 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:01:53 also, Google's removal of adblockplus, even the crippled version they allowed, kind of says much 11:02:42 well, I don't care enough for android to run it without gapps 11:03:22 running any browser without an ad blocker in 2013? 11:04:05 ad blockers seem to slow down any browser to the point of unusability on my device anyway 11:04:35 although adblock for chrome is mostly useless as it is not really fit for blocking stuff without a visual portion 11:04:40 ie, most of tracking 11:04:40 and well, why not? it's not like I'm even browsing anything remotely interesting 11:05:05 well, not blocking that stuff slows down any browser to the point of unusability as well 11:05:33 because that's not only 80% of screen real estate, but also 98% of CPU use 11:05:42 well, ad blockers seem to be worse somehow :P 11:06:08 firefox is actually the least laggy browser on my device at the moment, ever since the built-in WebView became based on chromium 30 11:07:13 too bad the android version of firefox is crippled too 11:07:24 you can't even have basic mandatory stuff like cookie policy, etc 11:08:00 I just have a VM with a browser and a VPN endpoint on my laptop for when I want private browsing 11:08:17 the rest of browsers on other devices/OSes can go wild if they wish 11:08:27 -!- Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 11:09:47 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:13 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:13:03 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:14:48 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:17:03 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:18:03 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1408-ge6af5e3 (34) 11:18:55 -!- g4spr0m has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:32:19 -!- Garhauk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:39:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:56 Cedor: Are you here? 11:44:01 yep 11:44:47 Looking at your poison butcher patch. 11:45:10 i'm sorry for you 11:45:12 :p 11:45:21 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:45:43 i made something bad? 11:46:01 Just minor things. 11:46:20 I take comments then 11:46:51 The commit message should be short title (<=50 chars), empty line, and more info if necessary wrapped to less than 80 characters per line. 11:47:04 oh 11:47:23 I see people breaking that 50 character rule in crawl reps a lot though :) 11:47:28 <|amethyst> In practice we go over 50 all the time, but try to keep it to 76 or so 11:47:34 ok 11:47:43 is it written somewhere? 11:48:45 I'm sure it's somewhere :) 11:48:49 -!- nht has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 11:49:02 <|amethyst> not in our repo that I see though 11:49:25 <|amethyst> we have some tutorials etc in docs/develop/git/ but don't really give guidelines like that 11:49:32 I think it's somewhere yes, but as I haven't seen this i think it isn't visible enough :p 11:49:37 <|amethyst> maybe that should go into coding_conventions.txt or git/conventions.txt 11:49:42 yep 11:50:09 The other thing is, that I would just make _determine_chunk_effect always act like calc_unid=false 11:50:30 well, I was unsure for this 11:50:51 I choose true because for me eating is prior to butchering 11:51:07 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:12 _determine_chunk_effect has 4 calls 11:51:12 No, I mean just don't add the argument at all. 11:51:47 but you'll have a problem with the eaing 11:51:48 The only case where you want it as true, is where the case shouldn't exists in first place, since you can't eat poisonous chunks without rpois 11:52:01 you can't force it? 11:52:12 Nope. 11:52:13 (it's a good way to ID rPois rings) 11:52:15 ah ok 11:52:30 Unless I'm missing something of course. 11:52:49 I have old memeries of doing it (like in 0.7 :p) 11:53:00 and I haven't check 11:53:53 !lg * killer=~poisonous_meat 11:53:57 465. Firefight the Sneak (L4 KoAE), succumbed to poisonous meat on D:2 on 2011-06-10 20:39:28, with 147 points after 2431 turns and 0:27:41. 11:54:21 !lg * killer=~poisonous_meat x=v 11:54:24 465. [v=0.7.1] Firefight the Sneak (L4 KoAE), succumbed to poisonous meat on D:2 on 2011-06-10 20:39:28, with 147 points after 2431 turns and 0:27:41. 11:54:39 probably dropped in 0.8 11:55:05 the only thing is that if it's reverted (really unlikely) this might become problematic 11:55:12 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:55:22 Well, it's been a while :P 11:56:07 Should also replace the handling of eating poisonous meat with an assert. 11:56:56 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:57:13 Or rather move it to be handled by the same code as CE_POISON_CONTAM 11:58:09 Cedor: Do you want to tweak the patch, or should I? 11:58:19 you should :p 11:58:30 I take a lecture by reading it after 12:00:17 Oh, it appears that I'm an idiot :P 12:00:33 -!- Quashie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:45 it strange 12:01:03 Vampires can still handle poisoned "chunks". 12:01:13 there is no block for eating poisonous meat in _eat_chunk() 12:01:22 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:01:27 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:01:39 Yeah, it gets handled before that 12:01:59 ok 12:02:30 I really don't have the habits to make assumptions of what's made before entering a function 12:02:52 Welcome to the crawl code base. 12:03:10 well, it isn't the most fearfull 12:03:46 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:17 I was ready to say eat_inventory_item() and eat_floor_item() do the same thing and then saw the comment 12:06:17 Feature request — add a toggle-able rc file option to make automagic act as autofight if monsters are adjacent to player. 12:06:51 I don't find the place where eating poisonous chunk is handled... 12:07:25 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:01 can_ingest, which in turn is called by for example prompt_eat_inventory_item 12:08:52 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:52 -!- Marbit has quit [Client Quit] 12:08:57 Wait vampires can't drink from poisonous corpses after all? Damn this dead code. 12:09:01 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:09:07 lol 12:09:23 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:53 Hi, I'm having a bit of trouble using branches in git. 12:12:01 I made a post at the tavern (because it is easier to explain with an example). 12:12:09 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=10093&p=139999#p139999 12:12:17 Can anyone help me? 12:12:30 must commit 12:12:46 all non commited changes are checkout 12:14:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:41 (answered for knowledge) 12:14:49 it's an usual mistake 12:15:15 Marbit? 12:15:23 thanks Cedor, I'll make new test. Hopefully I undestood what you said 12:16:20 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:37 I mean... I think I didn't even added the file (and I cannod commit if I don't add... I think) 12:16:49 right 12:17:08 add is just the way to say to git "watch this file" 12:17:40 and commit is "all theses changes are important, save them and link it to the current branch" 12:18:29 thanks Cedor. I'll try to test this and I'll be back if I have problems 12:18:36 no problem 12:18:45 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:19:04 This year I gave git courses, so i think i can answer basics questions :p 12:19:06 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:09 It is really nice to have friendly and helpful people here, thanks 12:19:09 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:19:57 If you ask friendly, you'll be answered as well 12:23:16 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:19 -!- Dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:26:02 03Cedor02 {Medar} 07* 0.14-a0-1409-gbac4b0e: When butchering only check for known poison resist 10(20 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bac4b0ed979d 12:26:02 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-1410-g63f32dc: Remove dead code for eating poisoned chunks 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 14+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=63f32dc8efe6 12:28:31 Cedor: Under what name/nickname would you like to appear in CREDITS.txt? 12:29:33 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:32:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:36:48 -!- wack has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:50:29 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:17 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:57 -!- Dacendoran__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:57:17 Medar, Cedor is fine 12:57:55 and if you're motivated, you can have a look to my monster description patch for double check 13:02:14 -!- wadwwwwwwww has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:07:05 Hey Cedor... I hope it is not much trouble. Could you check the post at the tavern? I did commited but I still get something crazy. 13:07:23 hmm, if you already have an Author: header isn't that supposed to be how he wants to be known anyway? 13:08:23 Marbit, what say git status? 13:08:30 Cedor: I thought add was to say to git "I think I want this stuff in my commit" 13:08:47 nop 13:08:52 you add files only once 13:09:07 are you one of those crazies who uses "commit -a"? 13:09:19 ah 13:09:25 right 13:09:41 (and yes I am) 13:10:13 Marbit, SamB is right 13:10:19 you should add then commit 13:10:40 I think I found this strange on the beggining 13:11:04 * SamB suggests "git gui" or "git add -p", or even magit 13:11:09 duh I think I think I should have added the file agin after the changes and before commiting.... damm its like forgetting ; after each line 13:11:25 let me test and brb in 5 min 13:11:30 yep, the gui is helpfull 13:12:06 (I use tortoisegit) 13:12:55 yep, I have found it strange to do 2 actions (add then commit) 13:13:12 and remembered only commit -a 13:13:37 -!- heteroy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:19 "git commit --amend" is useful when you screw that up 13:14:41 i dislike amend for another reason 13:14:53 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:14:59 in the git implementation of eclispe amendis made by default 13:15:06 ick 13:15:14 but the hashes aren't ajusted 13:15:18 eh? 13:15:21 (something like this) 13:15:37 you can't ... just have the same hash with new data ... 13:15:42 it's a hash of the data! 13:15:51 tep 13:15:56 yep 13:16:03 that's why it was a problem 13:16:15 (I can't remmeber exactly, but it was something like this) 13:16:22 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:11 (and the real problem was our version of eclipse) 13:17:43 (we used it to do some android code and the plugin entered in conflict with the git module) 13:18:31 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:01 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:19:31 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:22:09 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:24:55 mmm well I'm advancing but it is still strange. 13:25:04 1)create file. 2)crate crawl_file. 3)create new_branch. 4)checkout to new_branch. 5)modiffy file. 6)add file again. 7)commit changes. 8)checkout to master. 9)crawl_file is gone from master. 10)checkout to new_branch. 11)crawl_file is there. 13:25:13 I think I'm going to eat and then solve the problem latter. I'll also try the guis that you mentioned. Thanks! 13:25:55 it's easy 13:26:04 the action "file creation" 13:26:11 is now part of the commit 13:27:12 so when you checkout to another branch, all the things that are part of the commit are reverted (even file creation or deletion) 13:27:18 mmm except that I created the file and added it even before creating the new branch 13:27:30 git doesn't care 13:27:49 ok 13:27:53 as I said earlier it's only when you commit that changes are linked to branch 13:28:02 I see 13:28:04 if you want to understand this 13:28:07 create the file 13:28:11 commit it 13:28:17 then check out 13:28:22 modify, commit 13:28:28 then checjout back 13:28:43 the file will be there (because the creation was commited) 13:28:50 but not the modifications 13:29:42 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:29:56 oks, thanks cedor 13:34:31 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:44:41 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-1411-ga760336: Add Cedor to CREDITS.txt 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a76033676213 13:49:43 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:51:19 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:52:53 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:53:12 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:42 -!- SamB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:54 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 14:04:30 -!- tsohg has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:13 have there been any changes to Fo recently? 14:07:10 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:53 I don't think so 14:11:15 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:11:48 (can somebody just give formicids the drone stats and then cut drones, they're already barely distinguishable and not much of a threat at their native depths) 14:11:51 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:05 formicid (03a) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 16-40 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(21) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 90 | Sp: w.dig | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 14:12:05 %??formicid 14:12:08 formicid drone (08a) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 26-68 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(32) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 294 | Sp: w.dig | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 14:12:08 %??formicid drone 14:12:09 those formicid monsters are boring, I dont like the venom mages 14:12:25 hey lets put naga mages in spider and give them dig 14:12:30 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:40 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:48 I thought the idea of olgreb's plus mass poison was cute but since that can't work with the olgreb's buff 14:12:56 err, mass cure poison 14:13:16 I think if there's going to be a new venom mage monster, it should have a single target ignite poison 14:13:35 maybe with smite targeting, I dunno? Anyway they could poison you and then burn your ass 14:14:02 I don't think the formicid monsters add anything to spider, yeah 14:14:27 -!- maahes has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:02 as for Fo itself it would be nice if they were less of a collection of barely-related mutations... I have the same complaint about djinn and gargoyle though 14:15:26 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:28 gargoyle was cleaned up semi-recently 14:15:28 no auxes, or slow metab 14:15:57 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:16:04 hmm 14:16:15 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:16:25 i don't get why Fo has -2 HP apt but a +5 Hp mutation 14:16:26 (which leaves it as fast statue form with -2 HP apt race, which I think is fine) 14:16:37 purely earlygame hack 14:17:31 LexAckson: it's weird yes 14:17:49 why does a race that can't tele need -2hp 14:17:53 I think they should be 0 HP without that +5 HP mut 14:18:02 I think 0 hp apt would be good 14:18:13 you can't shaft branch ends 14:18:13 what about their super exp apt, do they still have that? 14:18:14 general consensus seems to be that they are quite bad currently, yes 14:18:16 what was the original rationale behind -2 hp anyway? 14:18:19 evilmike: yes 14:18:26 "they're ants", I believe 14:18:32 heh 14:18:35 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:19:12 haha 14:19:49 would not disagree with making them not have terrible health 14:19:56 I also would like to remove infidig from Fo 14:20:17 -!- ground4 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 14:20:18 why do they have that anyway? 14:20:19 since it doesn't seem very interesting in practice (unsurprisingly) 14:20:21 nobody actually needs that much dig 14:20:36 yes, I've been discussing the problem with the dig spell and Formicids just exacerbate that 14:20:43 again, "they're ants" 14:21:05 (also because hypothetically you make lots of escape paths and cut-off corridors to compensate for the stasis?) 14:21:07 yes rl ants show the remarkable ability to dig with their minds 14:21:32 also something I would agree with doing, for whatever that's worth 14:22:19 i think i like the dig spell more than most people around here, but I dont think it should be a free ability 14:22:52 free corners everywhere are rather powerful 14:23:12 some of the other Fo apts could be changed also, not just HP 14:23:14 !apt fo 14:23:14 Fo: Fighting: 0, Short: 1, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: 1, Bows: -2, Xbows: 0, Throw: -2*, Armour: 2!, Dodge: -1, Stealth: 3, Shields: 0, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: -1, Hexes: 2, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: -1, Tmut: 1, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: -2, Earth: 2, Poison: 3!, Inv: 2, Evo: 2, Exp: 2!, HP: -2, MP: 0 14:23:23 jeanjacques: yeah but you're one of the few players who seems to realize this :P 14:23:35 so many people I watch never use digging when they should 14:23:38 shields maybe could be increased, at least 14:23:53 even so, things like stone arrow and crystal spear will get you eventually 14:24:03 Their thing is twohanders with shields. 14:24:18 (and yet their thing has an aptitude of +0) 14:24:21 also, i'd like to note the contradictary armour and stealth apts 14:24:34 digging is powerful but unless you are doing crazy diving, you don't actually need to use it that many times, and wands of digging are for that 14:25:09 could try modifying their dig to be still infinite but not so exploitable for battlefield control 14:25:20 kilobyte: what's the point then? 14:25:24 simpler to remove it 14:25:32 it makes no sense to have remote ray digging 14:26:05 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:26:37 they can explore places you would teleport to as other races 14:26:46 I agree that giving them some custom dig would be an improvement over using the same dig implementation as the wand, but I don't think it's a good idea anyway 14:26:56 if digging is a crutch to get around the no-teleport thing, maybe that's a sign having -tele on a race isn't the best idea 14:26:57 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:26:59 not strictly needed, but anything that helps placing races apart is a good thing in my book 14:27:23 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:27:25 i think the race needs something to counterbalance the 4 arms thing, but maybe -rpois is already enough for that 14:27:31 what situations are these where dig would get you to places where other species would teleport 14:27:40 Innate stasis and the bigweapons+shields kind of differentiates them more than enough. 14:27:42 orc 14:27:44 weird glass vaults, .... 14:27:56 all parts of orc are accessible by stairs 14:28:05 -!- Yermak has quit [*.net *.split] 14:28:05 -!- Marbit has quit [*.net *.split] 14:28:05 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [*.net *.split] 14:28:05 -!- conted has quit [*.net *.split] 14:28:05 -!- Dacendoran_ has quit [*.net *.split] 14:28:05 -!- Garhauk has quit [*.net *.split] 14:28:10 yep, but sometimes you want to avoid the long route 14:28:12 by the time those vaults show up you dont need innate digging (most players get in them by digging, not teleporting) 14:28:17 Fo would still have all the normal means of digging 14:28:28 -!- Amy has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:28:31 (like 1->2->3->2->1) 14:28:33 wand, spell (while it exists :P), LRD, IOOD, etc 14:28:57 slime? 14:29:16 (to reduce wall damages) 14:29:17 Cedor: slime doesn't need digging any more, and you can still dig there with wand of digging 14:29:25 ok 14:29:54 then you could try a damgng reduce dig? 14:30:03 ie hp cost to activate 14:30:13 and limit the dig to 2 tiles? 14:30:18 evilmike: I think -Tele is okay probably... it would maybe be better if it were just -Tele rather than stasis, though 14:30:25 -!- Guest83509 is now known as jarpiain 14:30:26 it's not about the strength, it's about the infinite access 14:30:30 oh, for some reason I thought that change happened 14:30:38 I remember someone talking about it anywya. probably was you 14:31:49 my objections to using stasis are purely that it has various weird side effects because stasis does a lot of different things... like not being able to use finesse, being immune to giant eyeballs, not getting slowed by curare, etc 14:32:22 I do see some value in blocking haste, but I'm not sure it is worth it 14:32:34 no-berserk kind of annoys me 14:32:47 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:48 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 14:32:48 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:58 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:00 evilmike, for the damge aspect or the speed aspect? 14:33:37 I guess because to me, stasis implies that it would negate the haste and slowing but leave the other parts 14:33:43 (it can already negate the slowing part) 14:34:08 -!- inok_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 14:34:15 It doesn't really make sense that it blocks it, since it's a purely physical effect. 14:34:29 evilmike: so berserk+stasis would be free might on demand? (at the cost of not being able to do much except attack while it is in effect) 14:35:24 and the food cost 14:35:29 I suppose, although there's probably an excuse that it could glow you a bit 14:35:34 since it glows if you use it to cancel slowing 14:35:41 that's true 14:35:57 and berserk is already free might on demand no? 14:36:06 Cedor: no, it slows you 14:36:15 ah right 14:36:22 you men the counter effect 14:36:23 a non-issue unless you use it in a situation you shouldn't have 14:36:25 mean* 14:36:37 Bloax: well, the point is that without the slowness you can use it in far more situations 14:36:42 although berserk for Fo would be absolutely great 14:36:52 because no slowing and it's not like you needed those scrolls anyways 14:36:57 this sort of solution seems more complex than replacing stasis with -tele and I'm not convinced it's superior 14:37:26 nonethousand: yeah, I do think that having a better notion of what amulet of stasis is supposed to do would be nice in general though 14:37:38 good point 14:38:05 like, we know stasis is supposed to block translocations and block haste/slow 14:38:39 the point is as an amulet it's swapable 14:38:40 but everything else seems sort of unclear 14:38:43 -!- Lightli has quit [Changing host] 14:38:52 so it wasn't an issue util now 14:39:23 anyway the berserk thing is just a pet peeve of mine, I don't care about it that much 14:39:30 clarity is the amulet that really bugs me :P 14:39:30 yeah, I didn't actually know that stasis blocked finesse until people started talking about Fo 14:40:00 evilmike: what about clarity? 14:40:24 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 14:40:33 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:43 last time I checked the things it affects felt arbitrary. The description is vague, but I think of it as protecting against stuff that messes with thought. But I remember it blocking one of fear and mesmerization (can't remember which) 14:42:00 it blocks confusion, and I think mislead. But not sleep (the spell), even though it seems like a magical way of messing with someone's head 14:42:20 oh right, that is certainly hard to remember what it blocks 14:42:34 I just think of it as something to block confusion and don't worry about the other effects :P 14:42:50 basically I think it should just block all "unintentional/hostile mental stuff" instead of a subset of that 14:43:24 it doesn't even block all confusion! 14:43:34 shoutitis should probably be surpressed too (not sure if it is) 14:43:40 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:46 evilmike: then people ask you whether it should block flayed ghosts... 14:44:18 flayed gohst affects your reptilian brain 14:44:21 :p 14:44:36 oh actually, I argued that it should once, since I think it's supposed to be some sort of illusion. But it's still an edge case and would be ok to leave it out, probably 14:45:14 how about paralysis? is that a mental effect or more of a central nervous system thing? 14:45:36 nah, paralysis doesn't make you fall over or anything. You just magically are frozen in place 14:45:47 alright 14:45:54 muscle are frosen, not your mind 14:46:08 I've always imagined it like time is stopped. Even if your muscles are paralyzed, you'd collapse 14:46:21 nop 14:46:31 your muscle are blocked as is 14:46:44 if someone push you, you fall yes 14:46:58 fr give collapse status to those trampled when paralyzed 14:47:04 oh, and statis block para? 14:47:18 Cedor: did an orc sorcerer paralyze you irl 14:47:35 ofc :p 14:47:44 It depends on your posture. 14:48:14 stasis blocks paralysis, which lends credence to evilmike's idea 14:48:15 And unless you're making sure to stay in a sustainable position in a dungeon with something blasting you with all kinds of things, you'd likely fall. 14:48:16 but, time stopping is considered more diffcult than physical affects 14:49:03 ok 14:49:13 i'll shut myself 14:49:47 I fully support any moves to simplify what these two amulets affect 14:51:27 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Client Quit] 14:51:29 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:52:32 an option could be to cut the amulets 14:52:53 reduce the set of protections for stasis 14:52:59 (and clarity) 14:53:07 and give te rest to another amulet 14:53:21 like warding or something 14:53:37 and let test determine is the new amulte should be cut down, or merge with something else 14:53:51 I thought a full new amulet 14:54:04 (The bad counterpart is the item reneragtion) 14:54:37 would this buff fo 14:54:41 (but it'll allow to fully define the shape of stasis (and clarity)) 14:55:13 probably 14:56:47 I feel like stasis shouldn't block berserk (to distinguish it from clarity) 14:58:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:59 if they're not being cut, I could vaguely see formicid venom mages being another monster for that awkward post-Lair D stretch, in being a place where dig means more and as a nice transition comparsion to Depths's deep troll earth mages 15:01:15 (instead of in spider where they thematically fit but add little) 15:02:08 Have it ever stroke anyone as overpowered that Formicids' digging is the same range as the spell? 15:02:10 I had a formicid vault on d:16 some time ago. I thought it worked well 15:02:17 they were a reasonable threat at that point 15:02:23 I'm not sure why "let's put dig monsters in D as well as in Depths" makes the ones in depths more interesting 15:02:32 but we were talking about removing dig from Fo anyway 15:02:43 ...right 15:03:12 would they get buffed in some other way to compensate? 15:03:36 Lightli: lots of things were discussed, including increasing HP apt to 0 and increasing shields apt 15:03:58 HP to 0 would go a long way to making them more workable 15:04:13 it's more about highlighting their differences (not even close to as much melee damage or health or haste), but without dig the formicid monsters should just be cut 15:05:41 tenofswords: "early monsters have less damage/health than later monsters" is an interesting difference to highlight? 15:05:47 I still don't understand, sorry 15:06:15 Wouldn't dig with a range of 1, some sort of cooldown and heavier hunger cost compensate enough? 15:06:27 paulsomebody: what's the point of having it at all? 15:06:55 also, range 1 dig + cooldown sounds quite annoying to use 15:06:56 elliptic: Tactical use? There are situations when it's a very nice thing to have. 15:07:05 -!- _D_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:07:09 paulsomebody: that's why wands of digging exist 15:07:18 and wands of disint if you just want one square at a time 15:07:19 range 1 dig doesn't even matter in most circumstances 15:08:10 It can work without cooldown. If Formicids need better identity, their digging can be made to affect even harder walls. 15:08:44 that would break the game even harder 15:08:57 harder walls are rare and usually are hard for a reason (namely that some vaultmaker didn't want you to be able to dig them) 15:08:59 it's not about identity as much as it's about infinite access to a consumable to try and compensate for their penalties 15:09:26 stone and metal require either a level 5 spell at high power (LRD), a level 9 spell (shatter), or a high end invo (corrupt) to break through 15:09:33 formicids being able to do that from the getgo would be stupid 15:09:53 Lightli: Oh, I did not know that was even possible. Okay. 15:10:24 and metal walls are virtually impossible to destroy with LRD anyways 15:10:36 and yeah, formicid already have plenty of identity with 4-armed weapon/shield usage, -Tele/stasis, rPois-, and self-shafting 15:11:32 I know I'm not alone on the stance that stasis just seems less blatant and curiously "interesting" than -Tele. 15:11:53 Because we all know the effect, and here you have a race that always has an invisible amulet of stasis on. 15:14:02 I don't know where I fall on this debate yet 15:15:09 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:16:22 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 15:18:42 -!- Brokkr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:01 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:25:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:26:38 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:30:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:32:38 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:11 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 15:34:13 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:40:08 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:50:06 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:49 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 15:54:26 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:55:59 -!- Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:00 -!- Flex has quit [Client Quit] 16:03:55 -!- yogaFLAME has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:09:29 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:57 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:12:28 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:05 -!- yogaFLAME has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:14 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:16:56 -!- vansteen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:17:51 -!- Whales has quit [Quit: homeward bound] 16:19:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:24:10 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:25:07 -!- HellTiger_ has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:26:42 -!- Dacendoran_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:35:29 -!- Cedor has quit [Quit: Quitte] 16:38:55 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 16:41:15 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:44:25 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:53:21 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:54:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:00 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:46 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 17:00:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:03:53 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:04:17 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Client Quit] 17:07:35 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:08:40 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:10:00 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 17:21:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:11 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:27:15 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:28:21 -!- evilmike has quit [] 17:30:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:31:33 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 17:31:49 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-1412-g5473b5d: Fix transifex interface setup. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5473b5d71103 17:31:49 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-1413-g94b8a5e: More tutorial text fixes in translations. 10(3 days ago, 12 files, 740+ 865-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94b8a5ead3ab 17:34:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:36:11 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:42:37 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:48:08 -!- Zilis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:51:01 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:00:48 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 18:03:21 -!- Garhauk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:04:04 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:04:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:06:55 -!- Yeti218 has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 18:09:25 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:20 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 18:12:55 -!- Dacendoran_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:13:00 -!- Tarragon is now known as Basil 18:14:46 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:15:01 -!- Rebthor_ is now known as Rebthor 18:15:19 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:16:42 -!- inok_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:18:21 -!- poopfist42 has quit [] 18:20:05 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:22:03 -!- mummies-r-op has quit [Client Quit] 18:22:16 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:22:40 is there a reason why banished monsters have low HP when I see them later in the abyss? 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20:43:44 no idea, I compare counts rather than removals+additions 20:44:03 !tell Grunt it looks like 531d946fa38e2 re-breaks shadow creatures? in that bands instantly get abjured when you get them 20:44:03 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let grunt know. 20:44:21 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:44:36 !tell Grunt also possibly causes #7842? i'm not sure, trying to figure it out has just really confused me. seems to be something to do with worshipping a good god while using shadow creatures??? 20:44:36 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let grunt know. 20:46:06 -!- ckyle has quit [Quit: ckyle] 20:46:48 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: good night and good luck to all!] 20:47:11 oh i got my commits mixed up, i don't think that's the cause of permanent shadow creatures (i do think it's the cause of shadow creature bands being instantly abjured again though) 20:47:27 <|amethyst> hm 20:47:49 <|amethyst> now that I look at that commit again... does it also make unfriendly horrible things/scorpions/etc count against the cap? 20:49:08 oh hmm yeah... possibly? i've just ended up really confusing myself looking at all this summoning/monster placement code :P 20:50:36 <|amethyst> hm, I guess unfriendlies being capped is probably beneficial for the player 20:51:11 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:10 <|amethyst> (since you can recast to replace the unfriendlies) 20:53:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:50 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:56:55 if I understand things correctly, is it true that now the cap will never cause the most recently created monster to abjure? 20:57:27 what if the cap is 0 20:57:40 Well I guess "recently" may not be well-defined if multiple monsters are created 20:57:48 actually, in a recent commit I changed this without thinking 20:57:59 you broke it? 20:58:05 or fixed it accidentally? 20:59:03 <|amethyst> it goes by whatever has the lowest remaining duration 20:59:23 oh, so that hasn't changed 20:59:40 %git cb8aab065bffe37b4c22cfaa394690693a574182 20:59:40 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-940-gcb8aab0: Fix summoned_monster() not working for monster summons. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cb8aab065bff 21:00:00 this changes mi->friendly() to caster->mid == mi->summoner 21:00:00 I've seen e.g. Asterion make a new demon and have it immediately abjure since it's duration turned out to be lower than an existing summon 21:00:15 s/it's/its/ 21:00:19 <|amethyst> %git 531d946f 21:00:20 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-1164-g531d946: Cap monster summons. 10(12 days ago, 3 files, 46+ 46-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=531d946fa38e 21:00:58 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I think it still worked after your commit because the callers checked for friendliness 21:01:21 one interaction I did consider is making friendly summoners have separate counts 21:01:24 <|amethyst> kilobyte: but 531d946 removed that when it moved the summoned_monster call into _place_monster_aux 21:01:27 intentional, mostly for ZotDef 21:03:06 |amethyst: at a glance, 531d946 seems to change handling of friendliness only for Summon Scorpions 21:04:30 <|amethyst> kilobyte: also demons, because it was called from the if (friendly) case 21:04:35 <|amethyst> kilobyte: and god-angered summons 21:04:38 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:52 before my commit, unfriendlies (both summoned hostile, and those who turned hostile later) did not poof on re-casting 21:05:25 -!- darktwinge has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:05:26 <|amethyst> oh, and after it ones that turned hostile later on did poof 21:05:43 * kilobyte is not sure what's the best design for poofing/not poofing. 21:05:54 actually, I know. No summoning, no problem :) 21:06:15 * SamB poofs kilobyte 21:06:15 * Sequell also poofs kilobyte 21:06:41 * SamB poofs Sequell, and Henzell for good measure 21:06:41 * Sequell poofs SamB, and Henzell for good measure 21:06:53 * kilobyte glares at Sequell. 21:06:55 * |amethyst Sequells Sequell 21:06:55 * Sequell s |amethyst 21:07:07 woah 21:08:59 why is there just one |amethyst in that emote 21:14:06 * |amethyst Sequells 21:14:08 * |amethyst Sequells x 21:14:14 * |amethyst xs Sequell 21:14:14 * Sequell xs |amethyst 21:14:21 * |amethyst Sequell x 21:14:27 * |amethyst Sequell Sequell Sequell 21:14:27 * Sequell |amethyst |amethyst 21:14:33 * |amethyst Sequellx Sequelly Sequellz 21:14:33 * Sequell x |amethysty |amethystz 21:16:46 -!- t4s0thcmdr has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:16:49 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:17:30 * G-Flex x x Sequell 21:17:30 * Sequell x x G-Flex 21:17:35 * G-Flex x x Sequell x Sequell 21:17:35 * Sequell x x G-Flex x G-Flex 21:17:42 so it's only when "Sequell" is the first thing said I guess 21:17:52 * G-Flex Sequell x Sequell 21:17:52 * Sequell x G-Flex 21:17:56 * G-Flex xSequell x Sequell 21:17:57 * Sequell xG-Flex x G-Flex 21:18:27 * |amethyst ,Sequell ;Sequell :Sequell 21:18:27 * Sequell ,|amethyst ;|amethyst :|amethyst 21:18:34 * |amethyst Sequell ;Sequell :Sequell 21:18:34 * Sequell ;|amethyst :|amethyst 21:18:47 * |amethyst aSequell 21:18:47 * Sequell a|amethyst 21:20:52 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: I had thought it was a :beh: too, not that I understand how those work 21:21:34 <|amethyst> oh, I see, it is 21:21:41 <|amethyst> ??:beh:[1] 21:21:41 :beh:[1/6]: /me >>> ::: 21:21:46 <|amethyst> but that doesn't show the code 21:23:48 -!- darktwinge has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:11 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:31:01 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:26 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:19 kilobyte: it's pretty unfair to say 0.12 got 776 vaults compared to the next version and the current version when a giant chunk of that is subvaults for V in the first place 21:40:35 trunk has 215 of them 21:40:45 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:40:53 but yeah, that's a bit less 21:42:00 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:42:32 another 50 or so were pitsprint vaults and it was pretty out of the ordinary for minmay to pull out those 30 vaults he made over 2 or 3 years 21:43:33 but mostly I can point to trying to fill each branch with some minimum number of vaults alongside making many can-place-anywhere hyper-generic vaults, which cut a lot into the vault concept groupings for each branch 21:44:53 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:33 well, there are two points of view: the amount of in-game content, and the mechanical number of vaults 21:47:11 the latter matters for speeding up game load, optimizing what is on my TODO list 21:47:16 -!- darktwinge has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:49:21 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: 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13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94b8a5ead3ab 22:19:13 <|amethyst> %git 22:19:13 07galehar02 * 0.14-a0-1413-g94b8a5e: More tutorial text fixes in translations. 10(4 days ago, 12 files, 740+ 865-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94b8a5ead3ab 22:19:24 * |amethyst %git 22:19:30 * |amethyst %git 22:22:36 -!- eb has quit [] 22:23:00 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:24:54 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:24:56 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:24:56 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:24:58 -!- Staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:24:58 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 22:27:10 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:29:03 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:33:51 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:35:05 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:52 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:37:18 -!- maahes has joined ##crawl-dev 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link. 23:48:05 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/Naruni-crawl-git-e6af5e3373-131211-0047.tar.bz2 23:48:11 That's the one. 23:48:12 Right. 23:48:17 there ya go 23:48:30 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:44 -!- Sirrick has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:28 Naruni: oh 23:49:41 Naruni: your game predates the move of Vaults out of Depths. 23:49:53 Naruni: so the overview screen is lying to you. 23:50:03 (I thought we fixed that already??) 23:50:05 ah, so vaults are in depths? 23:50:08 Yes. 23:50:21 shall i make a mantis entry for this? 23:50:27 If you want. 23:51:04 Ctrl-S in "Describe which?" monster screen does not work by putridmelon 23:51:39 -!- simmarine has quit [Client Quit] 23:51:57 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 23:52:21 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 23:52:45 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 23:56:08 Cursor actions in inventory screen don't work by putridmelon 23:57:27 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]