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Xom thinks this is hilarious. 04:37:35 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:38:04 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 04:42:30 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:43:17 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 04:45:17 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1314-g2036164: Fix a Ziggurat loot chamber 10(27 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2036164b6204 04:45:22 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:54:33 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:56:08 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 05:04:27 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:05:13 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 05:06:35 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:09:34 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:14:59 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:03 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:19:10 -!- Nivim has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:19:49 -!- Nivim has joined ##crawl-dev 05:23:56 -!- Psyknux has quit [Ping timeout: 240 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13:02:39 i - a +2,+0 bardiche of holy wrath 13:02:41 Your +2,+0 bardiche of holy wrath glows black briefly, but repels the curse. 13:02:51 x1000 (or however many) 13:03:19 oh, could this be because my entire wearable inventory is now cursed, except that weapon? 13:03:24 sweeeet :| 13:03:40 <|amethyst> haha 13:04:27 <|amethyst> hm 13:04:32 this is .13 btw 13:04:32 <|amethyst> while (curse_an_item(true) && !one_chance_in(1000)) 13:04:41 <|amethyst> on a power 2 Curse card 13:05:04 so its supposed to cure nearly your entire inventory 13:05:07 *curse 13:05:20 and, let me guess 13:05:35 curse_an_item() only returns false if the entire inventory is already cursed 13:05:47 not if it tries to curse something holy and fails 13:05:56 ? 13:06:14 <|amethyst> yup 13:06:15 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:06:26 is, uh, this the desired behaviors? 13:07:00 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 13:07:57 <|amethyst> I imagine not 13:08:37 another thing: 13:08:46 There's only one card left! You draw a card... It is the Alchemist. 13:08:48 The deck of cards disappears in a puff of smoke. 13:08:49 You are now empty-handed. You feel better. 13:08:51 You now have enough gold to buy a wand of teleportation (6) on D:13. 13:08:52 You can access your shopping list by pressing '$'. 13:08:54 _58 of your gold pieces vanish! You feel somewhat more hungry. 13:08:55 first of all, the order of messages is debatable 13:09:21 secondly, i had enough gold to buy that thing before so why are you telling me about it 13:09:25 <|amethyst> odd 13:09:54 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 13:11:23 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:14 -!- gammafunk has quit [Client Quit] 13:12:31 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:56 -!- Rebenga has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:58 -!- ark_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:58 -!- alefury|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:59 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15:51 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20:41 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:30 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:57 -!- zedzed has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:32:30 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:35:24 -!- keszocze has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:11 -!- dondy|afk has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 13:41:24 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:47:30 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:54:30 -!- lavos has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 13:58:45 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:33 -!- jason55 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:01:40 -!- magicpoints has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:05:23 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:26 -!- Aryth has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:06:52 -!- adityarajbhatt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 14:08:44 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 14:11:42 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:48 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:16:36 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:48 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:50 oh, this is fun 14:18:03 [You have a fast metabolism.] 14:18:16 (other non-transient mutations) 14:18:21 [You have a fast metabolism.] 14:18:42 its listed twice, and now every so often the game tells me, "_You feel the corruption within you wane completely." 14:18:46 but it never goes away 14:18:51 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:18:54 that's weird 14:19:02 rast: can I has the save? 14:19:07 i think it might be because im a centaur who got increased hunger 14:19:22 and that is interecting badly with temporary mutations 14:19:29 kilobyte: im on CAO, .13 14:20:07 rast: you'd need to choose that "backup a save" thing from the menu, I can read saves directly only on CDO 14:20:17 oh, thats an option? 14:20:49 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/rast-crawl-0.13-131205-1520.tar.bz2 14:21:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 14:24:45 ??fast metabolism 14:24:45 fast metabolism[1/1]: Mutation that makes you hunger faster by 1 per level of mutation (default rate is 3 for most races). 14:25:07 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:25:36 oh, so if the screen isnt lyign to me, im at my normal metabolism for a centaur 14:25:55 your innate/normal/temp mutation there is 1/0/1, yet the sum is only 1 14:25:57 the game just somehow thinks its transient and keeps trying to remove it 14:28:30 -!- gnsh has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:30:41 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:37:19 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:26 I hate to actively idea-engineer, but making a few "mounts" summoning spells could be good for giving more life to the skill school without falling for the varied abusive tactics involving allies 14:39:20 lava kraken 14:40:07 but yes, i believe that 'buffs=charms, allies=summ' is harmful to making schools fun 14:40:22 there's plenty of room for summ spells that buff you, or change terrain, or whatever... 14:42:47 like, a spell that summons a ball of fire that lives a small fraction of an aut and launches it towards an enemy? Or summoning some cold. Or summoning a rift in space that translocates stuff? :p 14:43:13 that is why I said "mount" 14:43:24 mounts in crawl? 14:43:27 still fits under the "make a creature" thing summoning is about 14:43:40 so you want the old Swiftness as a summ spell? 14:43:48 who said mounts are fast 14:44:18 nice idea 14:44:24 that sounds like fun 14:44:58 a firefly that lets you wield larger weapons with a shield :P 14:45:25 firefly that coronas anything you hit in melee 14:46:55 so how about spell schools that crosstrain and anti train? 14:47:05 there are 7, not counting the elemental schools and poison 14:47:15 rast: thankfully, that's no longer a thing 14:47:15 whyyyy? 14:47:24 perhaps each should crosstrain with two others and anti-train with two others 14:47:27 -!- alefury|2 is now known as alefury 14:47:31 kilobyte: that used to be a thing? 14:47:51 the elemental schools already counter each other in design without needing the apts penalty anyway 14:48:16 oh, you mean you took it away from the elemntal schools 14:48:19 huh. ok 14:48:47 fr: the Cumulogranite spell (Air/Earth/Conj 9) 14:48:52 fire spells erase freezing clouds and melt ozo's armour, air and earth already overlap in "rarely resisted focused damage" 14:49:54 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 14:53:32 ##crawl.2013-11-20.log:09:38 < MarvinPA> !learn del cumulogranite 14:53:35 /spank 14:54:14 firenado 14:55:29 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:57:22 somehow the deletion of ??copromancy is not in my logs 14:57:30 it was: Spells include Shitstorm, Shit Tongue, Sublimation of Shit, Iron Shit, Cigotuvi’s Morning Constitutional, Lee’s Rapid Digestion, Eringya’s Surprising Bidet, Sticky Shit, and Maxwell’s Silver Shit. 14:58:09 not too high brow humour, though 14:58:44 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:12 (this is why I hate idea-engineering because it almost solely zopy be nyonry gujv po cajicrre-wooz zykuwp kypky eoi vcask) 14:59:31 (ohyljvlog surobejy) 14:59:34 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 15:00:00 -!- SwissStopwatch has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:03:45 if you want summ, I guess this needs to be just Sharknado 15:10:05 summ spell that opens lava rifts with lava critters that shoot at stuff 15:10:10 wait, you removed the anti-training of elemental schools? 15:10:26 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:15:13 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:15:23 I'm going to take from the silence that the answer is yes 15:19:49 -!- robbje has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:22:38 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:27:05 -!- glow11 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 15:27:17 -!- yalue has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:28:24 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 15:30:21 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:31:24 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:20 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 15:40:15 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:40:44 -!- Arkaniad_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:47:24 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:47:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:51 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:56:01 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:56:30 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57:46 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:00:03 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:03:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:04 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:49 Hi there 16:06:49 dpeg: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 16:06:50 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:07:31 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: yes] 16:08:19 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:09:27 There is a suggestion by crate to change Create Canine Familiars: summon cap of 1, and remove jackals from the list. (See "Remove bat..." thread on the tavern, second to last posting.) 16:15:39 -!- Mulqus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:17:10 a different proposal: make the spell create a perma-ally. Subsequent castings will flip it between reality and hammerspace; it slowly heals while in the latter but doesn't suffer from poison. 16:17:48 spell power would affect the canine's starting level and cap how high it can level up 16:18:08 wolfrider class 16:18:33 kilobyte: I cannot judge between these but CCF users seem to agree that the current version is lackluster. 16:20:04 yes, merge the "summon mount" suggestion and the ccf changes suggestion 16:20:48 kilobyte: the advantage of crate's proposal is how simple it's to do 16:23:39 familiars in D&D-like games often convey abilities 16:23:51 it'd be cool if there were multiple familiars, and you could only have one, and they gave an intrinsic of some kind while you had them 16:23:57 well, let me reveal a secret: I'm among the "kill all summoning" faction 16:25:05 such a perma-ally spell could be relatively easily reworked to rely on resources 16:26:30 kilobyte: summoning one or two things is cool. summoning five things that themselves summon is not. 16:27:26 hm, this is a problem ##crawl-dev has: 1) a simple suggestion, 2) discussion brings up many different and complicated suggestion, 3) nothing happens. 16:27:51 well, axing the whole magic school is relatively simple to do :p 16:28:24 -!- wack has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 16:28:46 that proposal you said would merely make the spell more powerful early on and useless later 16:29:46 kilobyte: well, I think that Charms should be removed (the Hexes are fine) ... but I don't expect that to fly anytime soon, so I'd listen to people who want to modify individual charm spells :) 16:33:19 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:34:14 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:32 remove charms? 16:36:15 -!- glow11 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:21 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:36:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:36:42 Lightli: yes, the spells, not the effects 16:36:51 you monster 16:37:00 jackal (07h) | Spd: 14 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-8 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 3 | Res: 06magic(1) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 16:37:00 %??jackal 16:37:07 grey rat (15r) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-9 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 5 | Res: 06magic(4) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 4 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 16:37:07 %??grey rat 16:37:17 ...yeah, something about that seems off 16:37:50 Lightli: thanks for talking 16:38:07 :) 16:38:35 I actually agree with crate; jackals probably should not be summonable via canine familiar 16:38:41 wolf (15h) | Spd: 17 | HD: 4 | HP: 13-31 | AC/EV: 4/15 | Dam: 12 | sense invisible | Res: 06magic(16) | XP: 170 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 16:38:41 %??wolf 16:38:48 dpeg: I'd say at least a good part of Charms are quite required, at least currently 16:39:35 kilobyte: I only brought this up because I think that Charms removal is as realistic as Summonings removal at this point. So why not improve CCF? 16:40:19 like, we'd need to rebalance monster missile formulas, as EV chars get pants full at every yaktaur even if then eat biggest meleers at that range 16:40:37 without RMsl, I mean 16:40:55 or, Regen spell seriously reduces the amount of resting 16:41:53 * dpeg wishes he hadn't said it in the first place 16:41:53 * Sequell also wishes he hadn't said it in the first place 16:42:05 hey, Sequell! 16:42:08 * kilobyte spanks Sequell. 16:42:08 * Sequell spanks kilobyte. 16:42:10 what 16:42:23 why is the bot alive 16:42:25 s/then/they/ 16:43:18 warg (16h) | Spd: 13 | HD: 4 | HP: 17-35 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 12, 3, 3 | sense invisible | Res: 06magic(32), 03poison | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 101 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 16:43:18 %??warg 16:43:40 ??scf 16:43:40 I don't have a page labeled scf in my learndb. 16:43:46 ??summon canine familiar 16:43:46 I don't have a page labeled summon_canine_familiar in my learndb. 16:45:02 ??call canine familiar 16:45:03 call canine familiar[1/1]: Summons various h. Takes out monsters in the early game that spammals can't handle. Always friendly. Types are jackal, hound, wolf, warg. Wargs replace wolves twice as often if you're a hill orc. 16:47:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:47:51 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 16:48:28 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:38 -!- Arkaniad_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:53:38 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:53:43 Does anyone know how crawl handles the strings with color tags. Or rather are other things with < etc. escaped somehow? 16:56:00 Oh, I see, looks like < is escape to << 17:00:04 another good Summ replacement could be a delayed Death Channel effect: you get to summon stuff you have killed before, once 17:00:56 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:01:35 I would love this 17:02:31 pretty much the only summoning spells I would MISS would be Haunt for the unique nature of it and butterflies for the hilarity/being the best one 17:04:09 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:04:44 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:09:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:10:03 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:18:45 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:21:38 -!- Egglet has quit [Client Quit] 17:24:40 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:34:20 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-1317-g9f1f8ef: Improve formatted string handling in WebTiles 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 20+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9f1f8ef8ae27 17:34:20 03Medar02 07* 0.14-a0-1318-gb132953: Don't use .html() for no reason 10(17 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b13295357849 17:35:20 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:38:39 kilobyte: a good death channel would be great, it's such a flavorful effect and it is sad how unfun it feels 17:39:26 also, remove charms but keep summ. 17:44:34 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:46:39 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 17:50:30 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 17:51:10 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:53:58 -!- greensna1k is now known as greensnark 17:54:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1319-gbc28bc3: Fix up saves with innate+temp mutation > total. 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc28bc3301a0 17:54:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1320-gd75cff3: Remove formicid skeletons. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d75cff3dac3b 17:56:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:56:36 -!- jeffrom has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:45 -!- thened has quit [Quit: thened] 18:04:22 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:51 -!- magicpoints is now known as magicpoints|test 18:06:21 -!- magicpoints|test is now known as magicpoints 18:06:23 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:06:40 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:06:42 kilobyte: Btw. are you sure that #7416 doesn't still happen with silent spectres? 18:06:53 I know no nothing of it, just caught my eye. 18:12:47 Medar: just checked, it works ok 18:13:37 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 18:13:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 18:14:04 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:15:25 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:16 -!- glow11 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 18:16:56 Great. 18:22:07 kilobyte: Personally I prefer summoning over conj because I like the reduced emphasis of the game of "move the targeting cursor to the right place" and since, at least now with the cap, it's fun figuring out how to mix in the summons type in the best way 18:22:14 kilobyte: What are you primarly complaints with player summoning? 18:23:49 scummable (can fight without risk), requires micromanagement to be effective 18:24:32 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:24:35 on the other hand, when conj requires micromanagement it's only due to brain-deadness of targetters (most visible with Fireball), which is a bug to fix rather than a design issue 18:24:44 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:26:01 Well, the management of summons for me is mostly "ta", some "tf", and maybe poke something with a polearm through the summons to tell them what to attack 18:26:51 In terms of scummable, I suppose that's a matter of perspective; the win rate of su is below average 18:27:02 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 18:27:06 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:27:26 You are relatively insulated from monster melee, but you have to position yourself relative to the summons and manage mp very carefully in my experience 18:27:55 I guess in any case, summoners are one of the less popular backgrounds/playstyles 18:29:28 mostly, they require extreme patience 18:32:29 kilobyte: this is because it's a slow method... 18:32:46 what I like about summoning is that it changes a bit how you value space 18:33:04 I think the really bad scumming stuff is gone (no more kills out of LOS, cap) 18:33:07 yeah, the summoning game is very tactical, position oriented 18:33:25 dpeg: Yes, summons are more fun when you have to mix them in 18:34:25 The cap introduced a bit of tedium in that you kind of have to count your summons 18:34:53 But often an eyeball glance is sufficient to know if you'd really benefit much from e.g. casting XXX again 18:37:17 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:31 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 18:40:51 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:42 gammafunk: the counting could probably be interfaces away, too 18:42:54 gammafunk: btw, what is your opinion on crate's suggestion for CCF? 18:44:30 So it'd have a cap of one, but jackals removed? seems good to me 18:44:48 I've mostly used it a bit later as a supplement to icea beasts, so I tend to get better stuff 18:45:04 but at start, jacks would stop being very useful awfly fast 18:45:21 *awfully 18:46:14 gammafunk: alright. Have to get past kilobyte :) 18:55:41 I was going to ask the mighty kilobyte about the asterion branch, but seeing how it'd require him to merge another summoning monster, I think I'll continue hiding in the darkness 18:56:21 In all seriousness, if anyone has any nice ideas for some 'demonic' themed ability for him that doesn't involve summoning demons, I'd be receptive 18:56:52 I've been thinking of a few things, but they all are either too ambitious or just wouldn't be interesting 18:57:45 -!- pwnmonkey_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:00:35 gammafunk: axing Frances is a step up 19:00:50 can we a) revert jelly splitting or b) make jellies avoid zot traps 19:00:51 ophanim: You have 88 messages. Use !messages to read them. 19:00:57 gammafunk: (or if someone is not certain that Asterion is better, at least no regression) 19:01:08 otherwise doing zot under jiyva involves lots of zot traps via jellies 19:02:22 Well, I do like Asterion better than either Frances or Freddie and would support his inclusion over either if it came down to it, but MarvinPA made the point that he doesn't sit at the same difficulty level of either unique 19:02:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:58 ophanim: you want non-splitting jellies??!? 19:07:47 yes 19:07:50 ophanim: that Zot thing can surely have a solution different from one-piece jellies 19:08:24 well them avoiding id'd zot traps would be fine, or not setting them off or.. something 19:09:15 if they don't attack you it seems weird they'd set zot traps off on you 19:09:28 it doesn't have to be on you 19:09:43 there are zot trap effects that are bad if you're near it or on screen to it 19:10:25 * kilobyte has similar regards for zot traps as for summonings. 19:10:33 or for halflings 19:10:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:11:03 kilobyte: so much to axe :) 19:11:08 * dpeg hands out axes to everyone 19:13:09 -!- Vherid_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:26 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:42 Looks like the code doesn't bother escaping format_strings most of the time 19:14:43 remove zot traps? oh my 19:14:48 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:03 fr: what about axing WhiteDrFE and RedDrFE? Excuse: whites wouldn't feel an urge to play with fire as kids, and thus didn't become FEs. 19:15:17 Can inscribe things for example for some nonsense :p Probably not worth the trouble to fix it. 19:15:36 kilobyte: You mean red DrIE? 19:16:12 %git 0deee0c0e46af05e09c6bc63ac43714ac9b002d0 19:16:13 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-2461-g0deee0c: Don't place boring traps randomly. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0deee0c0e46a 19:16:17 sadly reverted in: 19:16:24 %git 78e597d2ebe8d14f75d9b0b2df9bb7b9fa79dd80 19:16:24 07MarvinPA02 * 0.13-a0-2468-g78e597d: Do place random Zot traps 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=78e597d2ebe8 19:16:25 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:17:48 Zot traps are fun from the "what's this craaaaaazy trap going to do?" perspective. 19:17:54 Renamed them Klown traps? 19:18:05 troll traps 19:18:09 hehe 19:18:19 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:20:04 but well, it doesn't seem like I'd have chances to persuade people to re-axe Zot traps 19:20:20 so what with those anti-matching draconians? 19:21:00 you would make people happy in general by preventing red DrIE and white DrFE I think 19:21:33 I'd say these two combinations are not "you should be flexible" but "be lucky to find a spellbook early or ^Qyes" 19:22:18 it is possible to win them, but unless you're on a streak, re-rolling is so much easier 19:24:34 wow 19:24:41 !hs * DrFE 19:24:42 4624. 4tharraofdagon the Slayer (L27 DrFE), worshipper of Sif Muna, escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2013-08-11 10:44:46, with 34626221 points after 42257 turns and 12:42:09. 19:24:47 that's a white draconian 19:25:28 of course he switched to ice magic 19:26:06 It's also the Dr species score; @#$# 4tharra 19:28:01 Having background affect the colour doesn't really seem right to me. Can't really tell why though. 19:28:29 If you don't want to challenge of adapting, you could always not play draconians (or draconian elementalists)... 19:28:52 Would making the minus aptitudes only -1 be terrible? 19:29:32 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:10 Medar: yeah, it's somewhat hard to explain this (the reason is balance/gameplay rather than theme), thus the excuse of kid's tendencies 19:31:12 I quite like the fact that background does nothing after the start. Altough Monk is an exception already. 19:31:44 * kilobyte hates monks. 19:31:59 not for the piety thingy, for unarmed in general 19:32:06 There is also Black/Gray Earth/Air btw. 19:33:48 whacking people with about any object tends to be a good deal more effective than using bare hands. Quite a few martial arts grand masters said things akin to "with lots of skill you can disarm a bad knife fighter" or some such. 19:34:42 trolls/etc are an exception because of claws, but you can select claws on a number of other classes already 19:34:51 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:25 -!- alefury has quit [] 19:35:43 Medar: yeah, these two too 19:40:16 the forms are quite effective with UC, and they're fun to sue 19:40:19 *use 19:40:35 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:41:02 Hehe, looks like you can colour your annotations with like Bad stuff! 19:41:13 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:12 Yeah, UC generally is just like playing with a weapon, but you don't get to/have to find better ones. 19:42:14 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:42:42 that's 5i4n8s16an8i4t5y 19:44:17 gammafunk: I don't quite understand why knowing how to do fisticuffs helps with biting as a spider or an ice beast 19:45:03 Medar: You can color annotations….mind…blown. 19:45:09 I will be abusing that a lot 19:45:38 Accidental features 19:45:47 gammafunk: Surely there's some ancient "dragon technique" of martial arts that applies to dragon form? 19:45:57 "The Way of the Spider" 19:46:22 god, I sent that message to myself instead of kilobyte. I fail at IRC 19:47:30 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:47:41 Oh nice, wget has --content-disposition option. Nice for getting patches from Mantis 19:48:57 wget -qO- 'http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/the&long&URL&with?many?nasty?characters?so?you?want?apostrophes?when?pasting'|git am 19:51:28 hrm, I'll need to re-raise Dr?E when more folks are awake 19:51:34 so let's talk theme instead 19:51:55 idea: short sword->dirk, sabre->short sword 19:52:08 or possibly sabre->cutlass, but that's worse IMO 19:52:28 you don't like sabre thematically? 19:52:34 reason: we have a short blade being a synonym to a mid-end long blade 19:52:42 sabre vs scimitar 19:52:45 kilobyte: did you look at that maybe_abort_ignite or whatever thing from ChrisWosname? 19:53:00 SamB: no, sorry 19:53:40 possibly "seax" instead of "dirk", but dunno 19:53:42 I'm not certain Dijkstra would like my ideas so far for reducing the duplication 19:53:45 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:54:21 * SamB hopes he doesn't have his computer scientists confused 19:54:27 SamB: use longjmp instead? :p 19:55:03 kilobyte: I don't know how to longjmp to someplace that hasn't executed yet ;-P 19:55:30 SamB: you who says the pointer comes from real setjmp? :p 19:55:57 SamB: because, you know, goto is bad and stuff :p 19:56:06 * Grunt comes into view. Grunt shouts! 19:56:21 kilobyte: I wonder if there is someone who would be fool enough to buy this argument 19:56:27 or was, or will be 19:56:41 goto is at least PORTABLE 19:58:24 56 gotos in Crawl proper (plus another 35 in yaccage) 19:58:51 03Kyle Fox02 {Medar} 07* 0.14-a0-1321-g8511db5: Fix a crash when running a webtiles server in OS X. 10(8 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8511db5fb3be 19:58:51 03CKyle02 {Medar} 07* 0.14-a0-1322-g85c66a1: Fixed use of arrows and other special keys in OS X versions of webtiles. 10(8 months ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85c66a120e1e 20:00:18 Oh, he had different email addresses for these patches. 20:01:15 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:02:38 CKyle: Are you in CREDITS.txt, if not under what name/nickname would you like to be? 20:03:15 isn't it preferred to put both? 20:04:26 * Medar shrugs 20:04:26 * Sequell also shrugs 20:04:48 gammafunk: regarding "clashing" dragon types: the great green snark pointed out that getting red on a DrIE is not a bad deal: you can use your first ring of Ice with impunity. 20:05:50 Also the breath can kill some monsters immune/resistant to your spells 20:06:03 that's like saying that losing your legs means you can be safe against kneecapping 20:06:28 kilobyte: well, that's what Darshan said at least 20:07:07 also, whatever happens, artifically restricting Dr colours from backgrounds is certainly not an option. Make them un-recommended if you must and be done with it. 20:07:32 rings don't help you acquire skill levels, though, do they? 20:07:35 "un-recommend"? How do you do that at XL 7? 20:07:44 indeed 20:08:17 I was just wondering "did we decide to abandon Drandomisation?" 20:08:19 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:08:45 SamB: no, but early power seems to be a big deal (or at least seemed to be: Erik spoke similarly) 20:10:53 dpeg: you lose about as much power by lowered skill 20:11:01 dpeg: Yes, you can always salvage the run (as 4tharra clearly and amazingly did), but you become much more dependent on a good random drop, either a power boost or a book of e.g. Ice magic to make the switch, which isn't in the spirit of that class. 20:11:13 It's also generally a big dissapointment for players when it happens 20:11:28 But I can understand the rational of not making the change as well 20:11:39 and if you don't get that random drop... 20:12:47 One reason I don't like the reliance on the background, is that one might just as well start a wizard and find a fire book on D:2 20:12:59 just please lets not make Dr like nemelex okay 20:13:01 But then you don't get this protection 20:13:35 Medar: True, but there are other schools in the book of minor magic you can branch into 20:14:12 It's not like you are forced to go 27 fire, if you start as FE 20:14:21 it might be reasonable to boost the probabilities that Dr type will match background, considering that DrIEs will probably come from families with a lot of ice genes ... 20:15:58 I mean unless you are really stubborn or get super unlucky with books, you can certainly adjust after getting the opposite colour. 20:16:09 gammafunk: if you are really that concerned about getting red as DrIE and vice versa, why don't you start as Cj, Wz or VM instead? This species comes with one peculiarity... 20:16:39 SamB: no, please don't 20:16:58 Medar: not getting the book you need early enough to matter is not in the realm of "not getting super unlucky" 20:17:15 a rule rather than an exception 20:18:01 dpeg: don't worry, I wasn't going to code it or anything 20:18:23 dpeg: Yeah, along with 1kb I just feel that FE is a class of "I want to use a lot of fire magic" and part of white Dr is "you don't wan't to use a lot of fire magic", yet you won't know that until it's too late, so why not prevent it 20:19:14 yeah, I expect the DrIEs and the DrFEs do not interrmarry a great deal, or if they do they don't train their children in those arts ... 20:19:20 Meh, maybe I'm underestimating the effect then. 20:20:22 getting red on DrIE also gives you a good source of fire damage for icy stuff 20:20:23 elliptic: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 20:21:06 elliptic: hah, great you're here! What do you think of making Call Canine Familiar change: reduce summon cap to, exclude jackals? 20:21:15 s/to,/to 1,/ 20:21:16 I don't feel really strongly about this but I don't like forbidding red DrIE and such 20:21:30 elliptic: and while you're here: what about allies (include Jiyva jellies) not triggering known Zot traps? 20:21:39 So what about changing aptitude to -1 instead of -2? 20:21:40 Grunt: thanks... to 1, indeed 20:22:14 (Clearly add raiju as a top tier CCF summon <_<) 20:22:29 Grunt: <3 20:22:30 (this might just be because I want to see more electrical things in the game, though) 20:22:31 dpeg: excluding jackals sounds good but I doubt I'll use the spell regardless (because it is a summon) 20:22:50 Dr and DS require a little flexibility and if you're hellbent on play a pure icy DrIE despite that, including quitting over getting red, then it's not Crawl's fault imo. 20:23:29 dpeg: allies already avoid stepping on known zot traps in a lot of situations; I don't know specifically about jiyva jellies, but it sounds reasonable 20:23:29 elliptic: yes, I don't use summons much either. kilobyte wants to get rid of the whole school, but I just came here to mention that suggestion of crate. 20:24:28 elliptic: Would you like to see the summoning school go as well? 20:24:35 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:03 another option would be to make zot traps not trigger on neutrals 20:25:26 It seems Su in on par with artificer in terms of popularity for recent crawl games, not at the very bottom of popularity, but certainly below average 20:25:28 elliptic: yes, I am happy with either. <--- kilobyte, what's your pick? 20:25:50 gammafunk: popularity is not a really good measure here 20:25:56 gammafunk: removing summoning magic is a good first step IMO 20:26:28 (second step is removing summons from monsters, third step is doing something about divine summons...) 20:26:30 dpeg: summonings is my favorite destructive magic school, so I agree :) 20:27:08 so remove summons from the game completely? 20:27:51 * dpeg sheds a few tears for Trog brothers in advance 20:28:04 * Lightli doesn't want to lose BiA either 20:28:20 makhleb with no demons, TSO with no angles, me with no XXX, the hearbreak is endless 20:28:55 Angles? 20:29:08 So the Shining One is now the Spherical One? 20:29:19 hehe 20:29:25 oh god 20:29:28 I'm turning into grunt 20:29:42 stop me before I remake rogues_gallery 20:29:46 Lightli evaporates and reforms into a Grunt! 20:29:52 anyway don't worry about the third step yet :P 20:30:21 in all honesty, the only two summon spells I would miss would be summon butterflies and haunt 20:30:24 Trog/TSO summons at least are a limited resource 20:30:52 elliptic: it's interesting, I wouldn't have thought that summons require action, but if I'd have suggested something, it would have been about monster summoning removal before player summons. 20:31:25 * SamB adds "summon test spawner" 20:31:36 -!- chewymouse has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:31:38 Butterflies because the idea of summoning butterflies with a spell is hilarious, Haunt for the stellar flavor and functionality 20:31:52 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:58 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:58 Lightli: we would probably call it Uselessness 20:32:14 ...Scroll of Butterflies? 20:32:37 SamB: summon orb of fire 20:32:40 Summon Scroll of Butterflies, balanced because now you need two turns 20:32:41 ...no, I can't really make myself argue up the reasons for trying to save designs 20:32:55 I will be so glad to be done when I'm done 20:33:24 As for Haunt, it could probably survive as a Level 8 or even 9 Necromancy spell I guess 20:33:39 Wouldn't be the first necromancy spell to make temporary allies 20:34:28 Sticks to Snakes requires a resource so is not that bad 20:34:34 That's Tm anyways 20:34:40 battlesphere, spectral weapon 20:35:13 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:35:25 are those summoning? 20:35:29 no 20:35:32 battlesphere is conj/charm not summ, that's not an ally but something that enhances your spell power 20:35:35 I didn't think so 20:35:52 they're demonstrations of designing allies that come from only spells that aren't stuck unbklnklenb 20:35:53 it's a bit more ally than an OOD is 20:35:54 it'S a sidekick, not a summon 20:36:47 are we throwing out tomb 20:36:48 -!- Fortescue|Home has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:02 or do mummies just have undead walls of bramb wait not that's also summoning 20:37:33 So removing the summoning school I can see happen 20:37:51 But the sheer amount of balancing around removing enemy summoning will be a nightmare 20:37:55 -!- heteroy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:38:05 I find greater mummy priests to be dangerous because of torment, curses and massive smites, not summoning 20:38:14 Lightli: we can remove it one monster at a time 20:38:29 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:38:35 personally, I think that summoning gets more flak than necessary 20:38:36 they do all of that while hiding behind walls of chaff 20:38:50 I'm not sure it should be removed, mind you 20:39:09 personally I think there are waves of hatred that boil around the community for the sake of select opinions that ignore trying to do work on old things that isn't removing them 20:39:24 I'm just saying it is a thing which could be done piecemeal 20:39:32 -!- Fortescue has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:39:32 but nobody wants to try fucking diplomacy 20:39:40 Rakasha, Mara, Deep Elf Demonologists/Summoners...quite a few enemies exist just to summon 20:39:56 forgot boggarts 20:40:01 oh yeah them too 20:40:05 do you think there should be some kind of grand high council where such rampages get voted on? 20:40:29 Also, I just realized this is yet another summon nerf 20:40:30 or GR process or something 20:40:36 tenofswords: how do you negotiate with a magic school? 20:40:40 with a quarum and everything 20:40:44 no, because that council would involve kilobyte 20:40:54 :p 20:41:34 how about we remove it in version 1.0 20:41:53 well, last time we removed a school, I proposed it and the concensus was that the effects were interesting but not good on spells 20:42:52 they're not good on divine abilities either so what's left besides expanding the elemental evoker concept to the handful of good summoning spells left 20:44:08 a pretty big part of makhleb is the whole summoning thing 20:44:59 I think that summons are much less problematic on gods than as spells (because you get MP back from waiting, but not so with piety) 20:45:16 Yeah 20:45:31 one can have a lot more piety to spare than mp for the few situations that may require it 20:45:56 tenofswords: easily fixable by bumping mp requirements 20:47:13 I can't tell if that means bumping up or down 20:47:29 especially since I first thought it meant bumping up piety costs 20:48:09 divine summons cost piety, food and mp 20:48:18 all of these can be adjusted 20:48:43 oh, you didn't mean the spells 20:49:09 "03:45 < tenofswords> one can have a lot more piety to spare than mp for the few situations that may require it" 20:51:24