00:02:25 -!- Staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:04:17 couldn't figure out why I couldn't learn mass abjure in wiz mode despite 20 int and all 27 skills after fighting Asterion 00:04:30 turns out drain had me down to 7 skill 00:04:59 wow 00:05:01 didn't realize drain could keep stacking like that 00:05:03 Roshnak (L24 GrBe) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (Depths:3) 00:05:18 there was a guy who had all skills at zero from drain 00:05:26 with new drain? 00:05:26 at some xl>10 I believe 00:05:27 yeah 00:05:33 it was impressive to say the least 00:05:40 yeah I guess it'd have to be, since old drain didn't do that 00:05:53 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1168-gf5005bf (34) 00:08:11 !lm roshnak crash -log 00:08:12 6. Roshnak, XL24 GrBe, T:43616 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Roshnak/crash-Roshnak-20131129-060501.txt 00:08:23 -!- eb has quit [] 00:15:28 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 00:15:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:13 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 00:18:55 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1168-gf5005bf (34) 00:29:12 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:34:30 -!- Ashyr has quit [] 00:42:02 hrm, neither you.gold nor you.gold() seem to work in lua for getting the player's gold 00:43:06 -!- Kaput has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:43:37 you.gold gives me an error about comparing a number to nil (when I do e.g. if you.gold > 999 then) 00:46:30 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1168-gf5005bf 00:46:30 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:47:52 it doesn't look like you can currently get the player's gold amount from player lua, yes 00:49:23 I suppose because the exposed function lets you sets the gold? 00:49:35 I guess I just don't understand the lua partitioning 00:49:41 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:49:46 that function is dlua, which means that it isn't player-accessible 00:49:54 right, ok 00:50:08 (and yes, it isn't player-accessible because it allows setting the gold amount) 00:50:38 Can it be added to player lua without messing up…whatever dlua is? 00:50:56 is this why xw and qw dont shop 00:51:01 heh 00:51:23 And here we thought they were just cheapskates 00:51:25 patches are always welcome to add functionality to player lua, yes... in this case, you'd want to add a new function to the clua chunk earlier in the file 00:51:44 gammafunk: I expect it would probably just be another function of the same name ... 00:52:10 Ok, maybe I'll make that. For now asterion can have less fancy speech. 00:52:10 can they query shops for what's available? 00:52:36 wait, this is for asterion speech? player lua isn't relevant then, and you.gold() should work fine 00:53:09 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:53:20 I guess I don't know where player speech is defined 00:53:22 how does he know how much gold i have, does he have access to my bank account 00:53:22 er 00:53:24 monster speech 00:53:41 elliptic: it's an obscure initfile option, duh 00:53:53 elliptic: yes, it is. you.gold() gives me a message about calling the field gold (a nil value) 00:54:06 gammafunk: where are you writing you.gold() 00:54:12 monspeak.txt 00:54:21 if you.gold() > 999 then 00:54:59 Similar conditional speech that looks at you.skill() works fine 00:55:35 yeah, but I bet that's actually allowed in clua 00:55:53 so maybe for some reason we're doing monspeak in clua too 00:56:16 yeah, it's defined in you_clib[] 00:56:19 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:56:22 you.skill I mean 00:56:33 weird 00:56:37 so perhaps that is the problem, monspeak isn't allowed to use dlua 01:01:15 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:04:05 I guess it is sort of reasonable 01:05:39 It would be great to have monster speach that ended with a call to you.die(), because it's so terrifying. 01:05:53 s/speach/speech/ 01:05:59 yes that is why restricting to clua is sort of reasonable :) 01:06:16 how about monster speech that changes your settings 01:06:36 though there's still a lot of clua that would be bad to include in speech of course 01:07:03 monster speech that adds a mute for the monster's speech 01:08:45 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:21:25 !tell kilobyte I've uploaded a patch in mantis 7474 to address the lack of monster speech, quote, and distinct glyph color for Asterion. The commit fixing the glyph color moves all bird people to Q. 01:21:26 gammafunk: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 01:34:45 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:39:04 -!- SamB_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:11 -!- SamB has quit [Disconnected by services] 01:39:14 -!- SamB_ is now known as SamB 01:39:26 -!- Porost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39:50 -!- us17 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:41:02 -!- Konstantin__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:41:02 -!- Moredread has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:41:03 -!- Konstantin___ is now known as Konstantin__ 01:43:28 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:48:10 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:58:30 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-1168-gf5005bf (34) 02:10:56 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:15:11 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24:01 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:33:22 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:04 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:38:21 Patch to make you.gold readable from clua by gammafunk 02:39:05 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:43:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:45:26 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:47:07 -!- myrmidette has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:54:23 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:44 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:52 -!- Fusentrap has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:08:17 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:13:37 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 03:14:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:18:05 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:18:15 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:25 -!- darktwinge has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:37 -!- rchandra1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:42 -!- darktwinge has quit [Client Quit] 03:21:45 -!- darktwinge has joined ##crawl-dev 03:22:29 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:22:45 -!- greensna1k has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:48 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:54 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:25:37 -!- Silent_Samurai has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:50 -!- neunon_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:26:55 -!- Cedor has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- myrmidette has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- Tarquinn has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- wack has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- Somefellow has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- Sgeo has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- iasov has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- djanatyn has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- rchandra has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- Twinge has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- lukano has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- greensnark has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- neunon has quit [*.net *.split] 03:26:56 -!- djinni has quit [*.net *.split] 03:27:05 -!- djinni_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:27:12 -!- Silent_Samurai is now known as Somefellow 03:28:18 -!- neunon_ has quit [Excess Flood] 03:28:19 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:29:42 -!- rchandra1 has left ##crawl-dev 03:29:49 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:54 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 03:43:13 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:43:23 -!- Rafiq has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:46:52 Toad22484 (L10 MfDK) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (D:9) 03:55:25 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:56:48 No more rock worms? 03:58:22 -!- scummos^ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 04:12:56 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:24:14 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:25:29 -!- dondy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:33:44 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:35:03 -!- hyperbolic has joined ##crawl-dev 04:38:26 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:40:51 -!- Gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:41:15 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:56:49 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 05:09:25 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 05:22:11 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:24:17 -!- Zephryn has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:26:31 -!- Pinheadd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:27:09 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:17 -!- maha has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:04:11 -!- beef42 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:05:27 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:13:54 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:18:59 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:25:39 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35:52 -!- dondy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:39:45 kilobyte: thanks for removing rock worms! :D 07:10:08 bmfx (L24 NaWz) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (Depths:6) 07:11:50 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:19:36 -!- inspector071 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:28:41 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:29:41 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:48:56 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:58:51 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:59:38 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:02:09 -!- Somefellow has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 08:04:21 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:39 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:10:04 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10:17 -!- Ragdoll has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:18 -!- dondy` has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 08:10:19 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:31 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:14:21 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:19:46 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:24:48 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:30:12 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:34:03 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:13 VengefulCarrot (L27 MiMo) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (Zig:13) 08:38:43 VengefulCarrot (L27 MiMo) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (Zig:13) 08:40:06 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:44:48 VengefulCarrot (L27 MiMo) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (Zig:15) 08:45:11 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:47:26 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:47:51 VengefulCarrot (L27 MiMo) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (Zig:15) 08:47:52 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:56:48 VengefulCarrot (L27 MiMo) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (Zig:16) 08:58:24 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02:17 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:04:44 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Houdoe] 09:05:57 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 09:06:30 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:16:12 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:17:52 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:22:27 hrm, ok ok Carrot, I'm fixing that 09:22:34 !lm * crash -log 09:22:35 5732. VengefulCarrot, XL27 MiMo, T:57880 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/VengefulCarrot/crash-VengefulCarrot-20131129-145646.txt 09:23:06 it turned out at least one case was an actual bug in a radius_iterator caller, so I'm not reverting that commit yet 09:23:26 yes, Carrot's crash is the one just fixed 09:24:35 !lm bmfx crash -log 09:24:35 13. bmfx, XL24 NaWz, T:62473 (milestone): http://rl.heh.fi/morgue/bmfx/crash-bmfx-20131129-131008.txt 09:24:57 !lm Toad22484 crash -log 09:24:58 1. Toad22484, XL10 MfDK, T:9870 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Toad22484/crash-Toad22484-20131129-094649.txt 09:25:58 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.0/20130918041159]] 09:27:16 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:24 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:27:24 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 09:27:24 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30:10 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1169-g4815781: Simplify find_newmons_square(), make it not crash. 10(11 minutes ago, 2 files, 18+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=48157817a305 09:33:03 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1169-g4815781 (34) 09:33:28 Fv001 (L10 GrFi) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (D (Sprint)) 09:40:21 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:11 -!- Sky__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:46:51 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1169-g4815781 (34) 09:50:05 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:52:35 -!- greensna1k is now known as greensnark 09:52:44 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:53:31 -!- raskol has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:55:26 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: quit quitty quit quit] 10:07:24 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:23:25 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:23:31 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:24:42 -!- Ladykiller69 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:24:50 how does essence regen work? 10:25:02 is it HPregen + 2*MPregen? 10:30:59 -!- Tarragon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:36:10 -!- hyperbolic is now known as elliptic 10:37:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:40:39 -!- Fusentrap has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:13 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-1169-g4815781 (34) 10:43:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:07 Ladykiller69: just hp regen, but with a racial bonus early on 10:43:28 racial bonus that ceases to be relevant I assume? 10:44:05 Ladykiller69: regular races get 4 hp regen, 17 mp regen at game start, but hp regen quickly overtakes it 10:44:21 Dj get a bonus of (100 - max_hp) / 6 10:45:14 so you can expect regen of ~18 at XL1 10:45:26 (compared to troll 46) 10:45:39 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:46:06 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 10:48:33 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:48:47 -!- Implojin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:49:40 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:55 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 10:54:34 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:08:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:10:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:11:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Client Quit] 11:13:10 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:14:39 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:54 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:16 * geekosaur pokes to see what will explode if he uses macports gcc etc. to build locally 11:27:15 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:21 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:56 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 25.0/20131102041233]] 11:32:32 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:41:44 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1170-g917cfca: Changelog through 0.14-a0-1169-g4815781. 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 43+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=917cfcaed462 11:44:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:44:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 11:45:40 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:06:02 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:56 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:19 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:16:43 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:08 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 12:32:10 -!- thug_lessons is now known as lessens 12:36:26 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:37:41 -!- catoblepas has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:50:11 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:50:12 -!- eith|2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:44 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51:31 -!- eith|2 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:49 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:29 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:51 -!- jeffrom has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:07 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:58:50 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:19 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:00:34 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:06:23 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:08:01 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:10:52 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:09 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:16 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15:03 -!- Tarragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15:49 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:16:08 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:26 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:14 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:22:13 MDvedh (L15 GrMo) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. 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(Abyss:1) 14:22:16 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:22:45 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:55 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:47 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:25:03 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:25:12 -!- Ladykiller69 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:18 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:13 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:00 <|amethyst> updating CDO 14:37:39 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:37:42 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1170-g917cfca (34) 14:47:38 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:48:45 -!- Llebac has quit [Quit: Llebac] 14:50:01 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55:12 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:56:15 Why is jump attack not called pounce? 15:00:07 Medar: that's a better name, yeah 15:02:17 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:02:35 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:02:40 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:08 -!- gammafunk_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:04:01 -!- Aarinfel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:05:58 -!- flowsnake has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:09:33 -!- syllogism has quit [] 15:14:04 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:58 -!- flowsnake has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:01 03gammafunk02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1171-g1782370: Allow you.gold to be read in clua 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=178237010abc 15:16:01 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1172-gf91b3e4: Rename a function for clarity. 10(86 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f91b3e456d00 15:17:35 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:19:35 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:19:41 I just got "Placing missing branch entry: enter_abyss." on orbrun 15:19:52 on an encompass vault on depths:4 15:20:35 it seems to place an empty arch each time I enter the level 15:21:15 [21:20:23] <@MarvinPA> oh wow nice did the orb run remove all the abyss entries 15:21:15 [21:20:29] <@MarvinPA> and then the abyss check thought you had no abyss 15:21:15 [21:20:33] <@MarvinPA> and gave you a new one??? 15:21:21 oh it is also placing enter_pandemonium on depths:3 15:21:24 (i assume this is what's happening?) 15:21:28 <|amethyst> elliptic:aha 15:21:54 <|amethyst> Zot closes too, right? 15:22:23 I don't think so 15:22:33 <|amethyst> oh 15:22:43 I can't check that easily though 15:23:10 oh nice, I get the messages about placing missing branch entry each time I look at those levels with X] also 15:23:52 elliptic: can I has your save? 15:23:53 or maybe not 15:24:00 sure 15:24:04 I was trying to see if the clua entry for you.gold messed up the dlua entry for you.gold, but I'm not sure how to test it 15:24:10 (if it's still reproducible, that is) 15:24:19 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I was going to add a you.char_direction check in _add_missing_branches 15:24:19 https://dobrazupa.org/saves/elliptic-crawl-git-48157817a3-131129-2124.tar.bz2 15:24:25 Are the two completely seperated? 15:24:33 |amethyst: ah! 15:24:37 I assume it is still reproducible, though I left depths and stuff 15:25:35 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1173-g49a6c40: Don't overload lua you.gold(). 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 17-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=49a6c400b1dd 15:25:44 welp 15:25:53 |amethyst is right, the code will obviously keep re-adding the portal 15:26:20 I kind of don't understand why Abyss would be unenterable via portals but still work via distortion or Lugonu 15:26:22 <|amethyst> kilobyte: err 15:26:28 <|amethyst> kilobyte: you made that not work in vaults 15:26:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte: not that they *should* be doing that 15:26:48 |amethyst: how come? dlua is a superset of clua. 15:26:51 <|amethyst> kilobyte: but maybe someone wants to implement a slot machine 15:26:55 <|amethyst> kilobyte: && you.wizard 15:26:56 |amethyst: ah, you.wizard, got it 15:28:37 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 15:29:07 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1174-gecd341d: Allow setting you.gold(x) in dlua. 10(76 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ecd341db7945 15:29:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:48 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 15:36:30 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1175-g250bfc5: Don't try to replace Abyss, Pan entries on the orbrun. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=250bfc521ee0 15:37:22 -!- hayenne has quit [Quit: There is no dark side of the moon really. As a matter of fact it's all dark. The only thing that makes it look light is the sun.] 15:38:31 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1176-g953bfd3: Don't let statdrain from god wrath bypass sustain ability 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=953bfd39367e 15:40:41 I'll just chock up the you.gold thing as another case of my bugs finding bugs 15:42:51 |amethyst: lm_toll.lua uses you.gold(x), so it's good that ziggurats actually charge gold when you aren't in wizmode now :) 15:43:44 ... 15:45:04 bit sad to see rock worms go (I had a sadistic vision of summon rock worms as a monster spell) but I see you discussed it quite a bit and I trust you made a good decision 15:46:31 if you have a plan for improving them, anything that can be committed can be reverted 15:47:16 <|amethyst> Replace them with gnomes 15:47:20 what if you were allowed to melee them inside walls, but they get an AC boost while in that state 15:47:27 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:47:38 you'd just 15:47:39 lure them out 15:47:40 so, its not as aggrivating but theres still a reason to lure them out, if the AC bonus is enough 15:47:42 and kill them 15:47:46 <|amethyst> Gnome could do that and have other abilities 15:47:53 <|amethyst> since the other complaint is that they don't *do* anything 15:48:10 oh heh, st_ failed to spot gnomes in his purge 15:48:20 sneaky gnomes 15:48:23 or rather, he did it based on a technicality, not redundancy 15:48:26 gnome priest: it's invincible in walls like rock worms are, and casts smite 15:48:40 vampire gnome: same thing but it summons orange rats 15:48:46 spoiler: it has saint roka's spellbook 15:48:52 <|amethyst> evilmike: orange rock worms you mean :) 15:49:19 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:24 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/OrangeRat2.png orange 'rats' 15:49:27 how about spiny rock worms 15:49:51 rock worm (07w) | Spd: 12 | HD: 5 | HP: 28-47 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 22 | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 168 | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 15:49:51 %??rock worm 15:49:56 how about sending spiny worms to the same place rock worms went 15:49:59 spiny worm (09w) | Spd: 8 | HD: 12 | HP: 46-84 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 3208(acid:7d3) | Res: 06magic(48), 08acid+++ | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 09poison+07contam | XP: 485 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 15:49:59 %??spiny worm 15:50:02 @??gnome hd:18 spells:smiting ; club unrand:shillelagh . gold q:100 tile:pot_of_gold 15:50:02 Unknown unrand art: shillelagh 15:50:04 sounds like a great idea 15:50:26 ??Shilelagh 15:50:26 I don't have a page labeled Shilelagh in my learndb. 15:50:30 weirddd 15:50:42 ??devastator 15:50:42 devastator[1/4]: The shillelagh "Devastator". It's a +4, +8 shillelagh that casts radius 1 shatter when you hit something with it, centered on the thing you hit. No, it won't hit you. Nor will it break walls or potions. Spellpower scales with melee damage dealt. 15:50:59 devastator is a kind of shillelagh, I guess 15:51:02 easiest way to have such gold would be probably making it an unrand 15:51:45 <|amethyst> spré na shillelagh 15:51:48 (it's of no worry that it spawns with an unrandart) 15:52:58 or giving it a prop, or perhaps plus2 15:53:38 not that potted gold would bring anything but some flavour to a vault or two 15:54:34 hmm... what about replacing vast fields of gold in some vaults with a single coffer? Would differ in nothing but tile and name, yet look a bit more realistically. 15:54:36 then we can also add potted plants 15:55:05 @??plant name:potted n_adj tile:potted_plant 15:55:06 bad tile name: "potted_plant". 15:55:48 kilobyte: well, it would matter for jellies 15:55:49 oh, but then demonic potted plants, and it just keeps getting out of hand... 15:56:05 speaking about variations that don't add flavour, what about removing gauntlets? 15:56:21 seeing the entire floor covered in gold is cool 15:56:21 elliptic: as an artefact rather than a prop, yeah 15:56:26 um my casters wear gloves, my melee wear gauntlets 15:56:36 i like it when you come across a big vault and it's full of loot. one big pile is boring 15:56:40 and your hybrids? 15:56:48 whats a hybrid 15:56:57 removing gauntlets sounds good yeah 15:57:04 wow 15:57:10 might as well remove all the helmets too 15:57:12 also the million helmet flavours 15:57:13 hahaha 15:57:17 no.............. 15:57:33 kilobyte: I meant that some vaults place many squares of gold and a jelly or two, with the idea of it being a bit of a race to deal with the jelly as soon as possible 15:57:37 fr sandles 15:57:53 I don't really think this works well in practice, but it is something that would be lost 15:59:27 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:06:31 -!- djanatyn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:10:17 -!- stabwound has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:10:23 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:04 !vault jelly_panic 16:12:05 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/8517760 16:12:56 obviously giving my vote to not ruining random vault gold piles 16:16:43 03badplayer02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1177-gcf2260f: Add a Sigmund/Edmund minivault. 10(7 days ago, 1 file, 27+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cf2260f169a7 16:17:31 yeah, get rid of the damn helmets 16:18:16 put helmet flavours on an .rc option 16:19:35 -!- tigertrap has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:20:12 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:00 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 16:24:16 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:30:36 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:32:18 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:20 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:44 fr: plump helmets 16:42:40 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 16:42:40 -!- gammafunk_ is now known as gammafunk 16:43:21 fr: plump helmet men 16:43:28 -!- tigertrap has quit [Client Quit] 16:43:40 bearded 16:43:43 plump helmet men 16:44:02 -!- ackack has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:47:02 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:49:19 -!- CedorDark has quit [Quit: Quitte] 16:58:07 -!- majster has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:58:54 -!- Kenran has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:36 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:16 -!- soundlust has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:03:06 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:03:23 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:11:08 -!- evilmike has quit [] 17:15:55 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 17:16:51 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:20:04 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:20:53 tenofswords: do you have any opinions, both yours and DracoOmega's, about wellsprings? 17:21:02 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:21:08 tenofswords: what else to do, to make them less boring and less annoying 17:22:03 one of ideas I got is to have expiring elementals give the hp back (a part if the elemental is damaged), which would give an incentive to kill the summons 17:22:15 so much time given for testing 17:22:16 on the other hand, it would make it far closer to krakens 17:23:55 it could probably help water spawns in general for more variety through suiting amphibious/flying monsters (e.g. for depths hydras and ice dragons) to reduce the waterbound weights 17:24:57 tenofswords: well, as for wellsprings, it's more about reluctantly not removing them outright 17:25:10 which I still believe is the right thing to do 17:25:44 they had been tested with summons for quite a bit, to overwhelmingly negative feedback 17:33:11 kilobyte: You think removing them outright is best? 17:33:53 -!- stabwound has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:34:27 unless a redesign comes 17:35:27 Yeah, if they only have a beam attack, they're basically just water lotus++ 17:35:53 And thorn hunters are more interesting in that role 17:36:08 I guess mostly because they're not water bound 17:36:39 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 17:37:30 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:38:33 combining an attack with debilitation with summoning in one action while being the only thing to hurt itself in the same cast doesn't count as a r 17:38:38 why am I ev 17:38:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:41:49 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-1178-g8471a02: Delay more prompt until level has finished loading. 10(30 minutes ago, 8 files, 27+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8471a022e76b 17:41:49 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-1179-g459e3e1: More minor tutorial fixes. 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=459e3e1e9ae0 17:42:59 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 17:43:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:44:23 <|amethyst> kilobyte: care to comment on #7785 (indicate multi-zapped tiles)? The modification to path_taken to allow consecutive repeats worries me; and you might have a better suggestion than AFF_MULTIPLE 17:46:48 <|amethyst> galehar: I still kind of want to do something to push and pop "delayed message" states, where you can get the delayed messages as a string or such when you pop 17:47:04 I haven't read the code, but AFF_MULTIPLE makes sense: I made all comparisons use < / <= specifically to allow new enums 17:47:13 <|amethyst> galehar: that would make it at least possible to solve many of the message ordering bugs we've encountered 17:47:13 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 17:47:43 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:47:51 <|amethyst> galehar: but I haven't really worked out a good design for it yet 17:47:59 not sure if newer code followed this convention, but if there's some breakage, it's in display 17:48:35 <|amethyst> kilobyte: wasn't sure if you had plans to make it a percentage or something like that 17:49:12 oh galehar is in here! i looked earlier but missed because of @ instead of + 17:49:13 a percentage is not exclusive with "multiple" 17:49:24 can make the value 200% for example :p 17:49:27 <|amethyst> right 17:49:32 (was just going to say that your searing ray idea on tavern looks good to me) 17:50:51 <|amethyst> What about the consecutive-repeat thing? How does path_taken handle wall bounces currently? 17:51:29 -!- cptwinky has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:51:44 <|amethyst> s/handle/represent/ 17:53:50 -!- stabwound has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:16 that visit_count is redundant, we already count them 17:56:45 <|amethyst> ah, good 17:56:53 <|amethyst> so maybe the path_taken thing isn't necessary 17:57:11 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:57:21 <|amethyst> I assume you're leaving this in a note for Jarlyk? 17:57:30 ah, it's counted per mid, not per coords 17:57:34 <|amethyst> oh 17:57:36 <|amethyst> hm 17:58:43 <|amethyst> I mean, looking at the code he commented out, I assume that bizapping a spot that's not adjacent to a wall would be counted fine anyway 17:59:35 <|amethyst> since it only suppresses consecutive repeats 17:59:59 -!- User82 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:03 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:02:27 -!- User82 has quit [Client Quit] 18:06:48 -!- clouded_ has quit [] 18:09:50 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:10:49 delayed_decay/never_decay use a prop independent with the level of rotting, so I don't see what's the problem with using it on something that starts mostly decayed 18:10:54 -!- ark_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:10:58 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:11:11 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:11:14 there might be a bug in implementation (didn't check yet) but not one in principle 18:11:44 <|amethyst> kilobyte: IIRC "rotting" has to be first or something like that 18:12:18 <|amethyst> though now that I test that doesn't seem to be the case 18:12:56 <|amethyst> ah, that was it 18:13:05 <|amethyst> I misremembered, "rotting" is fine 18:13:17 <|amethyst> it was that "corpse", "chunk", etc. has to be last 18:13:23 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:13:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:14:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte: still, the behaviour with alternatives is silly 18:14:41 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:14:55 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I kind of think it would be nice to implement delayed_decay in C++ 18:15:07 <|amethyst> kilobyte: and make it a plain tag like never_decay 18:17:03 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: do you have any thoughts on solving #7708? 18:17:21 -!- kwack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:17:28 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: I don't think jellies have been able to split since you capped their HP 18:17:52 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: (their HP doesn't go high enough to allow splitting anymore) 18:20:27 oh hm, yeah 18:20:59 is "gloves" or "gauntlets" better for an item that provides AC? 18:21:17 gauntlets 18:21:19 "gauntlets" implies it is armoured, so should provide AC. 18:21:22 oh hrm, nevermind, a "robe" has 2 AC 18:21:35 so what should I leave? 18:21:39 i guess the cap on jelly hp could just be a bunch higher? it sort of needs to be not ridiculous for ghouls but it's not so important on jellies (although iirc that commit was prompted by someone figuring out some weird way to make use of jiyva jellies with 1000 hp) 18:22:11 i prefer gloves over gauntlets but not a big deal 18:22:24 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 18:23:47 oh i guess you can still get insane-hp-jellies by farming doors on them! 18:23:58 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:17 good use of door vault 18:25:45 (the only good use of door vault at present?) 18:26:48 either gloves or gauntlets seem fine to me (I'm in favor of removing one though) 18:27:50 * kilobyte picks |amethyst to make the final decision. 18:28:10 (it ends up akin to the colour of a bike shed) 18:28:19 gauntlet power 18:28:59 simmarine: the Mjollnir patch hasn't been accepted (yet?) 18:29:07 <|amethyst> kilobyte: rename them to "mittens" and prevent fine item manipulation 18:29:20 <|amethyst> aren't you glad you gave me the final decision? 18:29:40 * kilobyte mutters something. 18:29:54 bed then... 18:30:06 <|amethyst> "gloves" is probably better 18:30:17 <|amethyst> but I don't have a big preference either 18:31:18 <|amethyst> does TYPE: work on armour unrands? 18:31:53 I... think so...? 18:32:00 <|amethyst> well, anyway I guess there's nothing marking "gauntlets of War" as gauntlets currently other than the name 18:32:07 <|amethyst> so it's probably irrelevant 18:32:17 <|amethyst> (we have that and fencer's gloves; FR: more) 18:33:10 <|amethyst> sticky gloves, that have a chance to take a monster's weapon on an offhand aux attack? 18:36:00 <|amethyst> or gloves that can be activated for apportation 18:36:59 gloves of the Thief 18:37:49 jiyva has the tendrils mut that can disarm monsters already, not sure if it'd be enough to base an unrand on (but it's definitely pretty cute when it works) 18:38:59 how many unrand boots are there 18:39:36 ??boots of the spider 18:39:36 boots of the spider[1/1]: A pair of unrand boots with the {jumping} ego that also grant {clinging} and +50 stealth. 18:39:38 just these, right? 18:39:38 <|amethyst> G-Flex: just two as well, unless you count bardings 18:39:42 oh, there's another one? 18:39:50 <|amethyst> ??boots of the assassin 18:39:50 boots of the assassin[1/1]: +2 boots of the Assassin {Dex+3 Stlth+80 +Inv}, and designed by the Assassins guild. In 0.14+, instead lets you stab with any weapon type like a short blade, and senses monsters within 4 spaces. 18:40:05 the stab thing is interesting 18:40:23 <|amethyst> boots of the assassin + dark maul combo 18:40:26 although a bit odd for that effect to be on boots and not gloves 18:40:39 |amethyst: that sounds like it could potentially be the highest damage single attack in the game 18:40:49 <|amethyst> it was originally themed as a bootknife but that ended up being silly 18:40:56 that is very silly 18:40:57 gscstabbing 18:41:14 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: would base_max * 4 be reasonable? 18:41:29 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: that would be 60 for jellies, and 50 is required to divide 18:41:31 that's what i'm just comitting :) 18:41:33 yeah 18:41:37 <|amethyst> ah, good 18:42:15 <|amethyst> I didn't check the numbers on the other ones 18:42:25 <|amethyst> it depends on their second and third hit dice numbers 18:42:40 <|amethyst> requires (8 * hit dice) if that's over 50 18:43:14 -!- vansteen has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:43:52 grappling gloves, that let you constrict enemies 18:43:59 more like strangling I guess 18:44:32 <|amethyst> also, mons_avg_hp is wrong when hpdice[2] is odd 18:44:53 1learn add Gauntlets_of_the_Defender Lets you dual-wield shields, but disallows weapons. 18:44:53 oh i actually read that max requirement as a min but that still somehow led me to believe that base_max * 4 was the right number :P 18:45:09 -!- Sky__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:46:07 FR: a two-handed shield 18:47:20 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:48 what about gloves that give you a minor amount of SH, or fake claws mutation, or ones with a coin-on-a-string attached so you can buy from shops for free 18:47:52 (shops are just vending machines, right) 18:50:04 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: I am about to commit a change that will increase the reported average for jellies from 15 to 16 (in truth it's 16.5 but I want mons_avg_hp to be deterministic) 18:50:51 okay cool, that shouldn't conflict here anyway i think 18:51:01 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: also, base_max is kind of a bad name 18:51:23 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: since I thought at least twice it was the max roll rather than the average roll 18:51:30 yeah, me too actually 18:51:30 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 18:55:16 -!- thug_lessons is now known as lessens 18:58:43 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1180-g7ac3f12: Correct mons_avg_hp calculation. 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7ac3f12e36a3 19:03:09 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:24 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1181-gab0bbcd: Allow jellies to split again (#7708) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 6-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab0bbcde6884 19:03:35 just confirming, but it'd be acceptable to make hard ice caves spawn in lair water branches but not depths, right 19:04:45 oh, no Depths spawns 19:06:14 ...right, the suggestion was to take them out of Vaults because the ice caves were too easy for Depths (but Vaults was too easy for Depths) 19:08:18 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:13 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1182-g1e5510f: Make room for more unrands. 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1e5510f4c684 19:15:41 (clearly this is the time for me to add in the lajatang of the Crescent Moon or whatever I called it) 19:15:51 I guess I'll slip it into a patch improving ice_cave_statue_garden_01 19:16:04 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:16:28 <|amethyst> Any thoughts on #7767 (Axe of Law)? 19:16:44 <|amethyst> I'm not sure that "axe" is most appropriate for Zin 19:16:55 It isn't. 19:17:00 Also, it has duplicate code. 19:17:09 -!- User82 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:27 -!- User82 has quit [Client Quit] 19:19:39 hrm. now I want to whack at the Makefile, because it assumes a bit too much. if I build with a macports environment, I have pkg-config and therefore the ability for it to detect that I have zlib, sqlite, freetype, and libpng (although the latter two are not relevant as I am building console, which is why I didn't bother installing sdl for it) 19:21:51 |amethyst: hammer of law or club of law is better 19:22:05 Maxwell's Silver Hammer 19:22:25 (similarly if you have homebrew installed. also I think if you've ever installed the mono package you have pkg-config, zlib, libpng, possibly sqlite, probably freetype) 19:25:26 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1183-ge4f847d: Rework the "extra" tag for non-minivaults. 10(32 minutes ago, 5 files, 72+ 36-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e4f847d599ab 19:25:26 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1184-gdb379c4: Remove the "pan" vault tag; improve Pan builder handling of vaults. 10(28 minutes ago, 3 files, 135+ 99-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=db379c4e1771 19:25:26 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1185-g6ad4239: Also drop the "minotaur" and "lab" tags. 10(22 minutes ago, 4 files, 57+ 52-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ad42390c360 19:25:26 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1186-g7bcb92e: Don't place dungeon_decor on encompass vault levels. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7bcb92e4ff6e 19:26:33 -!- jeffrom has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:41 I actually had that last one in my own copy 19:26:53 You're welcome. 19:26:58 I don't know why I didn't think of that sooner. 19:27:12 should give a bunch of serial vaults the tag too 19:27:38 -!- jeffrom is now known as jeffro 19:27:47 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 19:27:47 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:06 state.cc:56:38: error: 'access' was not declared in this scope 19:28:07 (in my own copy I gave dungeon_decor DEPTH: D:14- because D:14-16 are pretty neutered nowdays) 19:28:08 no_gdb = access("/usr/bin/gdb", 1) ? "GDB not installed." : 0; 19:28:10 tsk 19:28:45 hmm. any changes to autofight recently? 19:28:53 Lua error: ...-master/crawl-git-48157817a3/data/dat/dlua/macro.lua:27: [string "/dgldir/rcfiles/crawl-git/rchandra.rc"]:8: attempt to call global_'hit_adjacent' (a nil value) 19:28:55 <|amethyst> geekosaur: what OS? 19:29:07 <|amethyst> geekosaur: oh, mac 19:29:13 OS X, building with a standard g++ instead of apple-gcc42 19:30:14 %git :/autofight 19:30:15 07elliptic02 * 0.14-a0-1156-g324c14e: Add hit_(non)magic(_nomove) functions, rename hit_adjacent to hit_closest_nomove. 10(25 hours ago, 4 files, 32+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=324c14e7ddb7 19:30:21 ah 19:30:58 rchandra: should work fine if you replace hit_adjacent with hit_closest_nomove in your rcfile 19:32:20 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1187-gbc885c9: Don't place serial vaults on encompass levels either (tenofswords). 10(2 minutes ago, 11 files, 29+ 29-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=bc885c9053c9 19:32:22 indeed, thanks 19:34:54 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:35:02 -!- Tarragon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:35:36 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1188-g3da1720: Include a header (geekosaur) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3da172073c49 19:35:58 woo! |amethyst++ 19:36:45 * Grunt ponders what the opposite of "<|amethyst> doh" is :) 19:38:09 <|amethyst> elliptic: do you think it makes sense to leave hit_adjacent in as a compatibility alias for hit_closest_nomove or even hit_nonmagic_nomove ? 19:38:59 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 19:39:38 <|amethyst> kilobyte mentioned making &^U available outside of wizmode... should it get a keybinding by default? 19:40:50 |amethyst: not sure... I doubt many people are affected by this and I'd guess that they are generally capable of figuring out how to fix it 19:41:00 <|amethyst> I guess that's true 19:41:12 it would be easy enough to leave it in, but the name doesn't actually make sense so I'd want to remove it at some point anyway 19:41:31 (even for hit_nonmagic_nomove, it will use reaching and launchers...) 19:42:22 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:43:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 19:43:35 <|amethyst> yeah, I think you're right 19:43:46 about &^U, making it available outside of wizmode makes sense... I imagine only a very tiny fraction of players are interested in it though, so I'm not sure where to put it 19:44:02 <|amethyst> what can you use with === anyway? 19:44:14 <|amethyst> any lua function? What about C++ functions available to lua? 19:45:03 not sure exactly 19:47:06 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:58:37 03Naruni02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1189-g3e3869e: Ownership of awaken vines after polymorph 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e3869ede0e6 19:58:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1190-g8d5ecc1: Preserve awaken forest ownership on polymorph, too. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d5ecc13d7ae 20:09:18 So... silver lajatang <_< 20:09:22 (people are starting to bother me about it) 20:09:47 ...ugh, where did my patch go. 20:10:36 (clearly give Agnes an occasional chance for this; just the thing for a Ds player) 20:11:38 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:11:53 and a silver sabre for Eustachio? 20:12:22 hmm, can Joseph get silver bullets for his sling? 20:12:59 -!- _dd has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 20:14:30 clearly what should get silver bullets is cherubs 20:16:33 I have a vague recollection of getting Joseph with silver sling bullets once 20:17:46 <|amethyst> So I was going to address #7460 (can't recite at abyssals) 20:17:52 |amethyst: how? 20:18:13 <|amethyst> Grunt: that's what I was going to ask about 20:18:34 <|amethyst> the issue is that nonliving are ineligible currently; the comment says "can't recite at plants or golems" 20:18:57 <|amethyst> My thought was to use nonliving && intelligence == I_PLANT instead 20:20:01 <|amethyst> but besides abyssals that would affect: mimics, statues (including Roxanne), gargoyles, training dummy, OoF 20:20:03 hm, what would even be eligible that that would exclude? 20:20:42 <|amethyst> I mean, you would be able to recite at those (as well as most of the abyssals, except lurking horrors and ignes) 20:21:01 oh hm 20:21:02 (mmmmmm, OoF recite) 20:21:14 maybe heretic recite should exclude nonliving, but not other types? 20:21:17 <|amethyst> Another possibility would be to prevent recite if nonliving && (intelligence == I_PLANT || is_artificial) 20:21:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:21:48 <|amethyst> which would also exclude statues, gargoyles (leaving mimics, training dummy, and OOF) 20:23:20 <|amethyst> hm, that's another possibility 20:24:13 i think that way the only change would be that oof, wretched star, apocalypse crab, ancient zyme become eligible? (for chaos, unclean) 20:25:08 <|amethyst> apoc crab is demonic anyway 20:25:12 ah yeah 20:25:25 <|amethyst> I guess tentmons and eldritch tentacles aren't disliked 20:25:37 You can already recite to tmons! 20:25:48 (I was surprised to discover this.) 20:25:49 <|amethyst> oh duh 20:25:51 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:25:52 <|amethyst> they're demonic 20:26:00 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27:20 <|amethyst> Hm, well, maybe my approach isn't the best. Making just heresy exclude the nonliving (and also the unintelligent?) sounds like it makes more sense 20:27:23 so yeah i think just making oof, wretched star, ancient zyme become eligible would be good (since those are very clearly on zin's hate list, the other stuff not so much) 20:27:40 <|amethyst> you mean listing those specifically? 20:27:42 heresy already checks for I_NORMAL 20:27:44 -!- Brokkr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:27:46 <|amethyst> ah, good 20:28:23 I agree with MarvinPA. 20:29:23 <|amethyst> (what about gargoyles and heresy, now that they're a player race?) 20:30:13 oh mm yeah, i guess those are intelligent 20:30:50 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:30:53 <|amethyst> the problem is that mimics are also intelligent, so just looking at the monster structure wouldn't distinguish those 20:31:06 <|amethyst> also statues (though perhaps Zin should hate silver statues) 20:31:07 i guess it seems reasonable that heretic would work on gargoyles but not so much that it would work on starcursed masses (or mimics, yeah) 20:31:22 oh right, mimics should clearly count as MH_ELDRITCH 20:31:32 knew I forgot something when combing old logs 20:33:27 -!- wack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:35:19 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all!] 20:41:03 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:41:13 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 20:49:45 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:43 -!- tigertrap has quit [Quit: tigertrap] 20:54:31 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:55:21 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:16 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 21:05:41 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:37 * geekosaur gave up and went back to APPLE_GCC which will probably fail because I still have the symlinks in place. looks like libstdc++ is not getting linked, possibly because of some bizzareness with the libc++ / libstdc++ nonsense currently going on in the Apple world 21:11:46 -!- Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 21:17:28 -!- N78291 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:18:13 if you have a 0 score game, there isn't a link to your morgue from the player page on cao 21:18:23 heh 21:18:51 !lg . min=score 21:18:51 942. gammafunk the Ducker (L1 FeMo), quit the game on D:1 (kilobyte_entry_exit_the_forest) on 2013-05-28 05:23:08, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:53. 21:19:13 wow, 942 0 point games 21:19:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:19:22 assuming I never got negative score 21:20:10 !lg * min=score 21:20:12 2742841. dpeg the Martial Artist (L1 DgMo), quit the game on D:1 on 2007-12-05 14:22:59, with 0 points after 46 turns and 0:02:02. 21:20:29 oh, dpeg 21:22:28 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:27:28 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:28:27 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:30:30 |amethyst (and anyone else who's interested): http://sprunge.us/DgLB 21:30:47 (this is me writing the missing patch from scratch and incorporating ideas from a few places) 21:31:19 note to self use a dancing crescent lajatang in a sprint somewhere 21:32:45 someday I will stop forgetting to back up my carefully-built wizmode characters when testing dumb things 21:33:18 (if a vault will always veto and you ask for it with &P it destroys the save) 21:33:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:41 (something tells me there should be slightly cleaner code than vetoing easy ice caves) 21:35:53 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:45 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1190-g8d5ecc1 21:43:09 %git ac82fe46d62f 21:43:09 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-320-gac82fe4: Remove bonus damage from jump attacks 10(6 weeks ago, 2 files, 2+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ac82fe46d62f 21:43:22 I just now realized that this removed the ability to jump stab as well 21:44:20 I suppose I can see the logic in that, but people have been complaining to me how jump is broken, and I wasn't aware of this 21:44:21 -!- UseBees has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:47:08 wait what 21:47:25 MarvinPA: Do you think that jump-stabbing is too much in the vein of "I should use this every fight" for a stabber? 21:47:26 so he removed too much bonus? 21:47:38 or, more than it sounded like anyway? 21:48:05 SamB: Well he removed both the flat 20% damage bonus and the ability to jump-stab, and I didn't look at the commit carefully enough to see the latter 21:49:13 The reason for removing the 20% damage bonus was that it would encourage its use every fight, which is silly 21:49:47 <|amethyst> Another issue with jump-stab: it skips the very steps that are most likely to wake the monster 21:49:52 At first I had thought of jump being used that way, but it's not good for a targetted ability to interact with melee like that, I realise 21:50:05 right, perhaps it's too powerful 21:50:21 |amethyst: now that sounds like a problem 21:51:04 otoh, we could allow stab damage under jump-attack, but not have a the stab's gauranteed hit when the monster is sleeping 21:51:19 however that is perhaps just an additional special case we don't need 21:51:19 hmm, that sounds decent 21:51:35 <|amethyst> Didn't the old code do that by adding 1 to the stab bonus? 21:51:40 <|amethyst> "bonus" 21:51:44 that's just the damage done 21:52:21 hm, I should poke at this further, but I'm too tired tonight. I get errors suggesting either missing libstdc++ in link or that it's using the wrong compiler somewhere (but if the latter it'd have to be that it's somehow using the wrong one only for the link step, but V=y suggests not) 21:52:24 to my knowledge at least, but yess the stab factor got increased, it was conditionally +2 at first, then +1, then removed entirely when jump-stab was removed 21:52:27 ??stab 21:52:27 stabbing[1/6]: Stabbing skill was replaced by (weapon skill + stealth skill)/2 in the formulas that used it. 21:52:34 I don't think that jump attack stab should bypass stealth checks 21:52:51 elliptic: So probably just disallow it entirely? 21:53:00 I'm not sure how you'd otherwise do stealth checks 21:53:02 needing to be stealthy on the way to approach the monster is one of the main points of stabbing 21:53:04 presumably stab jumping shouldn't work in any sort of crowds at any rate 21:53:27 gammafunk: yeah, I think it being disabled (as it is now I think?) is for the best 21:53:33 yes 21:53:38 I mean, it should at least make noise if you swipe at dudes while going in for your stab, you know? 21:53:51 You could make it add noise, but that doesnt' change the not checking of stealth 21:53:57 for the first victim, at least 21:54:23 it'd be way more powerful 1v1, and more dangerous when working with a crowd 21:54:23 probably that bonush should only apply if first == last 21:54:35 dunno 21:54:43 maybe I'm thinking too much about realism ;-) 21:54:48 ??realism 21:54:48 realism of crawl[1/14]: whacking KILLER FUCKING BEES with a halberd and throwing javelins at them 21:55:09 Well, now I have an answer to people who ask aobut that 21:55:10 trying to apply LOGIC to how it should work 21:55:15 ??logic 21:55:16 I don't have a page labeled logic in my learndb. 21:55:18 dangit 21:55:32 ??jump 21:55:33 jump attack[1/1]: Gained from boots of jumping or the innate Felid mutation. Attacks a target at range, after choosing a random, safe landing site adjacent to the monster and moving the player there. Causes exhaustion, can't be used while exhausted. The boots have range 4, the mutation has range 3,4,5 by level. 21:55:53 trivial bug: The goblin splashes around in the water. 21:56:07 nasty 21:56:30 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:56:32 !learn edit jump_attack[1] s/level./level. You cannot stab with jump-attack./ 21:56:33 jump attack[1/1]: Gained from boots of jumping or the innate Felid mutation. Attacks a target at range, after choosing a random, safe landing site adjacent to the monster and moving the player there. Causes exhaustion, can't be used while exhausted. The boots have range 4, the mutation has range 3,4,5 by level. You cannot stab with jump-attack. 21:56:49 N78291: good bug 21:58:33 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:15 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1191-gc4266c0: Fix a double-spaced message (78291) 10(45 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c4266c0c4a0d 22:00:03 <|amethyst> gammafunk: Medar asked why it's not called "pounce" 22:00:25 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but I guess that might imply stabbing 22:02:11 boots of…pouncing? 22:02:12 no way 22:03:00 it would seem like maybe it was okay if felids got more out of it ... 22:03:21 so maybe they could have "pounce" while others have "jump" 22:03:55 -!- jeffrom has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:52 yeah, that could differentiate the mutation, I suppose 22:06:00 and Fe are great at stealth, so it's thematic 22:06:22 But Fe are not fun to me. Let them suffer! 22:08:55 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:16 Suffer! 22:14:16 -!- jeffrom has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:38:29 -!- Egglet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:33 -!- UseBees has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:28 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:40:36 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 22:43:31 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:45:20 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-1192-g192f278: Apply swiftness on the turn that you step out of water (magicpoints). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=192f2780521d 22:49:16 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:57:39 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:02:27 -!- Giomancer has joined ##crawl-dev 23:13:41 quick question, in a vault, I want a monster standing on the exit portal. If I do KMONS: M = mummy and KFEAT: M = < ... the < is an escape hatch, not a proper exit portal. What's the right way to do this? 23:14:25 badplayer: KFEAT: M = exit_portal_vault generally 23:14:41 thanks, I'll give that a shot. 23:20:08 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 23:22:24 -!- eb has quit [] 23:28:33 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:33:01 -!- gnum has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:33:08 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:35:43 badplayer: yeah, [ { and ( are the stone upstairs 23:36:04 I guess that's not relevant in a portal though 23:36:10 do thsoe do anything in a portal? 23:36:54 Good question. 23:44:47 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:45:27 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 23:51:01 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection]