00:01:39 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1128-gf332958 (34) 00:05:58 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1128-gf332958 (34) 00:10:44 -!- ophanim has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:16:11 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:20:15 -!- anidude has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:27:30 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:31:43 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:33:08 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:35:17 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:38:38 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:39:03 -!- Quashie_ is now known as Quashie 00:43:56 -!- Helmschank has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:48:05 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:50:59 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:52:03 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:39 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:02:33 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:03:36 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 01:07:28 -!- duckroller has quit [Quit: i <3 pork (http://dev.ojnk.net)] 01:23:22 elliptic: The Swiftness change sounds good! 01:24:41 -!- Egglet|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:24:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:25:45 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:30:47 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 01:37:35 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:38:20 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:42:05 -!- Heros has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:46:45 elliptic: next step, make haste do that too (add Slow afterwards instead of contam), either just for the spell or for all Fast) 01:47:56 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 01:48:32 -!- inspector071 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:53:22 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:46 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:06:37 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:07:34 -!- buppy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:10:48 hmm berserk already does that, dont know whether thats good or bad 02:12:10 -!- frogor_home has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:22 -!- frogor_home is now known as frogor 02:12:27 -!- frogor has quit [Changing host] 02:12:28 -!- frogor has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:48 |amethyst: OS X build ready. http://www.mediafire.com/?474k2k03p0zuf 02:12:59 !help 02:12:59 !help: Displays help on a command. For a list of commands, see !cmdinfo. 02:13:04 !cmdinfo 02:13:39 !note 02:13:45 !message 02:13:51 Meh. Can't remember the bot commands. 02:14:05 -!- frogor is now known as pudquick 02:14:10 Let's see if they thought this was my name 02:14:17 -!- pudquick is now known as frogor 02:14:18 Guess not. 02:15:40 !note |amethyst OS X builds ready: http://www.mediafire.com/?474k2k03p0zuf --- pudquick@reddit 02:15:45 !message |amethyst OS X builds ready: http://www.mediafire.com/?474k2k03p0zuf --- pudquick@reddit 02:15:50 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:16:01 Meh, I'll just leave a message on reddit :) 02:16:08 -!- frogor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:20:41 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:31:29 -!- Fusentrap has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:32:41 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:34:00 Some message-related patches by chris 02:37:02 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 02:37:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:38:14 -!- Melandru has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:39:31 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 02:44:21 -!- frostsnow has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:54:09 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 02:54:17 !seen kilobyte 02:54:17 I last saw kilobyte at Thu Nov 28 02:52:12 2013 UTC (6h 2m 5s ago) saying 'full images are not modular, I haven't ever used vagrant' on ##crawl-dev. 02:54:37 !tell kilobyte +1 to your potion-abort commit. 02:54:37 dpeg: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 02:54:40 !seen elliptic 02:54:40 I last saw elliptic at Thu Nov 28 06:52:02 2013 UTC (2h 2m 38s ago) joining the channel. 02:54:44 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:55:09 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:55:16 elliptic: thanks for the quick action on Swiftness. I've always been annoyed with the abusive potential, your solution is nifty and scalable (either direction). 03:01:51 -!- aevp has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:07:46 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:15:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:21:24 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 03:24:50 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:24:53 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:27 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:34:31 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 03:43:23 -!- Matejii has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:44:17 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:54:50 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:57:48 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-1129-ga687c1e: Don't remove double newlines when printing tutorial messages. 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a687c1e5f8be 03:57:48 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-1130-g258349b: Formatting and tag improvements to tutorial. 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 71+ 88-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=258349bf421d 04:02:30 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05:43 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 04:06:35 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 04:07:38 hi boys 04:08:21 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 04:13:29 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:33:18 omg spells description... 04:37:39 -!- Suga_H has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:02:38 -!- maha_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:05:38 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:10:06 -!- wack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:12:46 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1130-g258349b 05:38:32 !ping 05:40:21 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:43:52 Cedor: Nice patch earlier, the ogre mage thing 05:43:56 nice bit of code clean up 05:44:08 Ooh cool, tutorial touch-ups 05:47:06 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:51:35 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:53:45 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 05:57:13 -!- Mattias has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:11:28 Keskitalo, i didn't want to handle this special case n the code i'm currently writing 06:11:58 sounds good 06:16:24 omg... 06:16:33 must do some other code cleaning... 06:26:36 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:30:46 Potions and wands of haste being wasted while under stasis. by dck 06:30:47 grmbl 06:31:08 can't find were vault monster are generated 06:31:58 * Cedor summon |amethyst 06:33:43 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1131-gd9906b2: Don't waste potions of speed, flight or invis. 10(9 hours ago, 1 file, 16+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9906b209d67 06:47:22 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 06:50:10 -!- Nivimer is now known as Nivim 06:57:19 any idea of a vault with monsters with specific spells? 06:59:03 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 07:00:27 does spells:none count, cedor? 07:00:38 hum 07:00:46 not really :p 07:00:50 well 07:00:52 maybe 07:01:06 the trog terrified wizard that he burns, I think has that 07:01:15 ah 07:01:27 must check the keyword spells? 07:01:36 Cedor: look at the wizlabs (des/portal/wizlabs.des), and for example at Iskerendun's therein 07:01:52 I was into this yes 07:01:54 and anks 07:02:11 Cedor: there you can see book and spell assignments 07:02:45 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 07:03:22 ok 07:03:28 that's what I thought 07:04:32 their is no way for to find if a monser is a vault monster or not once it's instancied as monster.. 07:07:15 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:13:09 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:14:20 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:15 -!- shock_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:15:35 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:16:17 dpeg: could you review https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7784 ? There's some controversy there. 07:22:30 kilobyte: at your service! 07:23:33 vault monster can only have one spell? 07:25:20 MONS: ancient lich spells:symbol_of_torment;ice_storm;ice_storm 07:25:29 yep 07:25:34 but here I have 07:25:40 mons->spells = mspec.spells[random2(mspec.spells.size())]; 07:25:46 (and no loop) 07:25:48 Cedor: read the documentation, it's all in there. (The line I pasted is from syntax.txt.) 07:26:02 thanks 07:26:33 Why can nobody let well enough alone? :) 07:26:42 so you want a random number of spells? 07:26:54 nop 07:27:05 it's the actual line when a vault monster is generated 07:27:26 the mspec have all the instructions (and the spell list from the des files) 07:27:37 and mons is the monster generated 07:27:44 why the random2? 07:27:49 dunno 07:27:54 that's why I ask 07:28:16 dgn_place_monster in dungeon.cc 07:28:27 Don't know -- wouldn't it mean that sometimes a vault monster with just one assigned spell doesn't get it? 07:28:44 line 4819 and after 07:29:01 * dpeg is not a coder :( 07:29:04 ah 07:29:15 as I understand the code 07:29:32 vault monster can get only one spell f the spells item is specified 07:30:17 kilobyte? 07:31:24 oh...... 07:31:54 does it pick one spell set, in case the vault monster has multiple possible spell sets defined? 07:32:24 I don't think it's spell set 07:32:32 no idea if that actually works in vaults 07:32:39 'cause the spell: item have actuel spells 07:32:42 -!- ig0rbit has quit [Client Quit] 07:38:07 oh ok 07:38:12 you' right 07:39:56 mspec.spells is a vector of spellset 07:46:53 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:47:49 -!- irctc238 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:50:00 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:51:21 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:02:38 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03:41 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:10:23 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:25:24 -!- BlastHardcheese has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:53 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:43:37 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 08:54:07 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:02:24 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:06:51 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:09:51 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 09:09:59 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Client Quit] 09:11:33 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Client Quit] 09:17:09 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:18:29 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:18:58 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Client Quit] 09:19:44 03galehar02 07* 0.14-a0-1132-g22d9e73: Remove double spaces. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=22d9e7391da8 09:19:46 -!- jarpiain has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:22:37 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:23:07 hrm, so the secret tech for sneaking in correct spacing has been found out :p 09:29:09 I will never understand that double space thing 09:31:24 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:38 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:22 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 09:36:35 -!- jarpiain has joined ##crawl-dev 09:36:51 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:36:59 -!- jarpiain is now known as Guest1161 09:37:01 -!- Mateji has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:39:34 hum 09:39:43 something just burned my eyes 09:40:05 why all the includes are done in the .cc files? 09:40:19 (and not in the .h) 09:40:23 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 09:46:55 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:47 MarvinPA, Cedor: yes, that code handles vault monsters with more than one defined spell set. 09:52:03 yep, I fanaly get the point 09:52:22 the nmy thing with that is i'm unsure how to make vault monster with multiple sets 09:52:39 wizard spells:fire_storm spells:ice_storm spells:shatter 09:52:49 ok 09:53:18 everything is clear then, and i'm still stuck with my information problem 09:54:03 and seriously, any idea for my #include question? 09:54:06 <|amethyst> Grunt: I never knew that worked 09:54:24 <|amethyst> Cedor: why the .cc files #include headers you mean? 09:54:29 yes 09:54:35 |amethyst: I also didn't know this for the longest time; I figured it out when I was making grunt_crypt_end_deaths_head originally (just before ancient champions became a dedicated monster). 09:54:43 and not the header include the headers 09:54:59 (silly idea for kilobyte: turn skeletal archers into their own monster - and give them M_ARCHER and possibly other adjustments) 09:55:39 Grunt: possibly; default skele warriors work good enough though 09:55:42 so do their tiles 09:55:54 you might have a point about M_ARCHER 09:56:02 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:56:11 <|amethyst> Cedor: not sure *why* it's this way, but pretty much everything in our code assumes that AppHdr.h has been included 09:57:06 getting PCH to work could be nice, and if so, having as much as possible in AppHdr.h would speed up compilations 09:57:24 on the other hand, having too much included harms regular compilation 09:57:33 <|amethyst> kilobyte: precompiled headers work best when there's just one header to compile? 09:57:58 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 09:58:05 not sure, IIRC they work differently between gcc and msvc 09:58:16 <|amethyst> kilobyte: but wouldn't that mean you'd need to recompile AppHdr.h every time anything changes? 09:58:19 I just don't remember/know what's the exact difference 09:58:28 yes 09:58:56 enum.h, player.h and so on already mean "recompile world", practically 10:01:01 <|amethyst> And the benefit of PCH is? Faster recompiles when you haven't changed anything? 10:02:45 <|amethyst> I guess it means that when you do recompile everything, you only parse apphdr.h once 10:03:04 <|amethyst> but if it means you need a full recompile more often, I'm not sure that's a net benefit 10:03:58 wait 10:04:08 if you do have changed something in base includes, it speeds up things by ~25% 10:04:22 (within current setup) 10:04:35 I can't understand the... link between PCH and the way thnigs are includes here 10:04:53 moving more to AppHdr.h would speed up PCH even more, at the cost of risking full recompiles more often, as you say 10:05:08 <|amethyst> kilobyte: oh, I see, gcc only allows one PCH 10:05:09 I mean monster.cc don't even include monster.h 10:05:13 <|amethyst> kilobyte: or one per compilation 10:05:37 -!- Quazifuji has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:05:37 Cedor: it does indirectly 10:05:45 |amethyst: not money or time, I just want to get rid of the hardware 10:05:45 joosa: You have 11 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:06:21 and maybe use it for other purposes without teh need to keep it online 24/7 10:06:32 ok, I won't touch the structure then 10:06:34 <|amethyst> kilobyte: probably it should include it directly though 10:06:37 Kilobyte did you see dpeg's comment on the necromancer sewer? It looks like he approves in concept with a small caveat (make it rarer). Is the small change worth a re-upload to mantis, or is that something that the submitter would normally do? (small curations and such) 10:07:02 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:07:30 not much point in re-uploading, I'd say 10:07:49 Ther was also the thing of lowercasing necro and adding some grammar modifier to the name part. 10:08:26 I just wanted dpeg's opinion, as overriding criticism is something that should have more voices than just me 10:09:09 yah makes a lot of sense, especially in the face of opposition from someone whose voice is generally trusted. 10:10:07 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:02 I have a couple ossuary vaults I'm about 1/2 way through, no gimmicks, just what I consider to be interesting layouts. hangedman touched on a point that we really don't need more of certain vault types. Is that the general concensus? Is it possible to have too many "quality" vaults? (notice I'm not counting bad vaults) If that's the case I'll abandon these. 10:12:48 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:51 As far as I'm concerned, as long as the vaults are of reasonable quality, we can always use them. 10:13:15 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:13:37 ok good to know. What does it take to get my mantis account modified to I can delete uploaded files by me that have syntax errors and are mis-categorized? I notice that my first two uploads are in the wrong category. Things like that annoy me. 10:16:40 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:17:35 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:18:56 <|amethyst> badplayer: Napkin can upgrade you; unfortunately I don't think there's a setting that lets you delete your own uploads but not others' 10:20:41 upload a new file instead, badplayer? 10:20:41 Napkin: You have 16 messages. Use !messages to read them. 10:21:05 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 10:25:39 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1133-g0a69001: Remove hardcoded ENDOFPACK from a message 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0a690018ae4c 10:25:39 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1134-g13de943: String semantics 10(8 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=13de943e3c8a 10:25:39 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1135-g72c2b33: Replace `mprf(s)` with `mpr(s)` 10(8 hours ago, 21 files, 34+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=72c2b335f28c 10:25:39 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1136-gd9dfa8f: Replace `mprf(ch, s)` with `mpr(s, ch)` 10(8 hours ago, 18 files, 34+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9dfa8fc9755 10:25:39 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1137-g4f4079f: Rename mprnojoin to mpr_nojoin 10(7 hours ago, 6 files, 15+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f4079f8b066 10:25:39 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1138-g4e1645e: Can "You die..." message 10(7 hours ago, 5 files, 10+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4e1645e8c236 10:27:40 Mm, I just had a concrete vision as to what that Shoals ending I've had in mind for a while will look like. 10:27:48 * Grunt gets to work... 10:28:40 <|amethyst> You have a sudden vision of the Shoals and the Shoals! 10:28:51 <3 10:32:07 replacing mprf() with mpr() seems counterproductive to me 10:32:17 a tiny bit of speed for loss of consistency 10:32:30 especially that strange reversal of arguments 10:32:40 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:34:09 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:38:01 <|amethyst> kilobyte: so you'd remove mpr entirely? 10:39:02 at least in the version with channel, yeah 10:39:52 would be nice to at least get rid of the different argument order 10:40:05 <|amethyst> yeah, I'd be all for swapping the args in two-argument mpr 10:40:22 I'm on it 10:40:37 <|amethyst> I'd rather not have the only interface be one that requires people to be careful with percent signs, though 10:41:45 <|amethyst> particularly when it can be called from user lua 10:42:09 <|amethyst> (though I guess crawl_mpr could do mprf(channel, "%s", arg) ) 10:42:52 good point 10:43:02 the order of arguments needs to die, though 10:43:40 <|amethyst> yeah, it's not just inconsistent, but I'd argue it's illogical 10:44:38 it's consistent with fprintf vs. fputs :P 10:44:44 but that's a bad kind of consistency 10:45:10 <|amethyst> (well, maybe "logical" isn't the right word, but the channel is more general so I think it should come first) 10:45:34 <|amethyst> Zaba: yes, fputs needs to die too 10:46:09 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 251 seconds] 10:46:36 actually, fputs is consistent with fread, fwrite, (f)putc 10:48:11 -!- Fusentrap has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:24 which need to die just as well 10:48:49 the order and multiplication in the former two especially 10:50:49 * Zaba has never understood why fread/fwrite do the multiplication 10:51:24 <|amethyst> Maybe something to do with old mainframe filesystems where a file isn't a stream of bytes? 10:53:46 <|amethyst> Hm, maybe not 10:53:48 <|amethyst> "For each 10:53:48 <|amethyst> object, size calls are made to the fgetc function and the results stored, in the order 10:53:51 <|amethyst> read, in an array of unsigned char exactly overlaying the object. 10:53:54 <|amethyst> " 10:54:59 <|amethyst> so I guess the only real reason is so you don't have to do division on the return value? 10:56:15 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:56:25 ... until a partial record is read 10:56:36 (from a pipe or whatever) 10:56:49 <|amethyst> right, if you get a partial record you're screwed 10:57:27 <|amethyst> If an error occurs, the resulting value of the file position indicator for the stream is 10:57:31 <|amethyst> indeterminate. If a partial element is read, its value is indeterminate. 11:01:26 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:02:58 03rchandra02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-1139-g9c081e9: Orient linesprint horizontally only. 10(14 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9c081e998921 11:04:39 <|amethyst> badplayer: which things do you want deleted? 11:04:52 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:05:09 <|amethyst> badplayer: I recategorised the two "Patches" submissions as "Upload: Maps and Vaults" 11:06:51 UM 11:06:59 why did you ruin linesprint 11:07:17 <|amethyst> It was ruined 50% of the time 11:07:28 <|amethyst> now it's ruined either 0% or 100% 11:07:29 remove the map. 11:07:33 it is pointless now 11:08:36 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-1140-gccf31d4: Remove linesprint (st_) 10(29 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 1090-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccf31d4db4ab 11:09:44 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:09:48 <|amethyst> someone else can go through mantis and apply patches 11:10:06 <|amethyst> I'd rather not ruin things 11:10:08 -!- |amethyst has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:10:13 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:43 rip 11:10:46 rip 11:14:06 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 11:15:02 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:40 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1138-g4e1645e (34) 11:17:55 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:20:46 huh? 11:22:33 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:22:46 removed because the name makes less sense now? 11:23:19 or is this just general sillyness? 11:24:27 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:27:30 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:30:10 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:37 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.0/20130918041159]] 11:33:46 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:10 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:34:55 bring back line sprint!!! 11:35:22 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 11:36:28 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:03 ^ 11:43:27 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:52:15 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:55:44 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:17 -!- reaver_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:59:55 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:01:44 -!- Mateji has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:03:09 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:28 -!- necKro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:12:30 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:14:19 -!- Sky__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:15:07 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:17:02 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:02 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:14 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:37 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:48 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:23 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:32:05 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:05 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:32:07 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:33:23 -!- timbw has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:34:57 -!- Nivim has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:48:45 -!- FaMott has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:50:20 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:51:27 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:39 -!- anidude_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:53:41 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:43 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:55:25 -!- iFurril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:21 gammafunk: You make vaults right? 12:56:38 yes, but I have not made many 12:57:02 I made some pan decor vaults and just want somebody to look them over for extremely novice mistakes: http://pastie.org/8515283 12:59:19 -!- anidude has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:48 PS I hope Asterion makes it in. He seems much more interesting than most uniques in the game now. 13:03:53 why was linesprint removed? 13:04:00 reaver_: not having a WEIGHT: 999999999 would be a good start :) 13:04:16 reaver_: also you seem to have a half map in there. 13:04:42 Grunt: artifact of testing/pasting. 13:05:04 Sorry, I'm using that vim synthax file because I'm trying to learn vim. So I don't quite get copying and pasting yet. 13:05:54 reaver_: Well, grunt is here, and he knows much more about vaults, but with the exception of the partial one they seem fine 13:06:04 any idea why cheibriados doesn't show the current guardian serpent spell list? 13:06:09 guardian serpent (16S) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 30-58 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 26 | spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(64), 03poison | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 458 | Sp: teleport other, minor healing (2d4), b.venom (3d13), b.slow | Sz: Large | Int: normal. 13:06:09 %??guardian serpent 13:06:10 The pan tag in reaver_pan_chaos_star, what's that for? 13:06:22 And I'm not sure about the use of the extra tag 13:06:24 gammafunk: Pan places vaults by tag. 13:06:25 reaver_: there's a vim syntax file for vault syntax? 13:06:35 gammafunk: and an "extra" indicates that it's not a pan lord vault, basically. 13:06:40 Pan vault placement is odd. 13:06:46 heh, seems so 13:06:50 wheals: Yes, in the source. 13:07:01 Man, I could have sworn 1kb removed all of Pan for reasons like this 13:07:22 Took me forever to set it up on mac, which it turn out don't even enable "synthax on" by default. 13:07:46 reaver_: Thanks wrt Asterion. How interesting he actually is remains to be seen, but he'll probably get tested in trunk at some point 13:07:57 Good! 13:08:45 So, where's my emacs mode for des? This vim bias will not stand 13:09:28 Actually, what would really be nice is a good ascii manipulation mode that could do e.g. rotations, horizontal/vertial fliping of ascii 13:09:59 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 13:10:32 that would be fantastic 13:11:52 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:13:59 Maybe I should spend some time cleaning up Pan vault placement like I did with Abyss vault placement. 13:14:09 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:14:27 !send Grunt A broom demon 13:14:28 Sending A broom demon to Grunt. 13:14:33 -!- reaver_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:14:35 * Grunt casts Summon Broom. 13:15:18 -!- reaver_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:06 Just thought of the perfect ranged weapons for octopodes: double and triple bows 13:17:31 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:38 ??bow 13:17:38 bow[1/2]: Dam 3 + 1d7 (the 1d7 is from the arrow, and yes this is base damage), Acc -2 (bows get an intrinsic accuracy penalty), Delay 11. Note that the formulas for ranged combat are totally different than for melee. 13:17:40 ??longbow 13:17:40 longbow[1/2]: A ranged weapon with 12 base delay. Fires arrows. You can get one from centaur warriors (1/3 chance), non-specialist elves (5%), deep elf master archers (100%), or Nessos (100%, flame). 13:17:41 Also works with formicid 13:17:55 Grunt: I guess we should discuss it here. Sorry, wrong channel. 13:18:15 reaver_: try nolayout_ if you want it not to place on open layouts. 13:18:34 If you want to know what layout types are necessary, regen the level until you get a layout type it looks bad in and press ^E to get the layout type. 13:18:48 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:18:51 Grunt: That seems fine, how many pan layout are there? 13:19:00 Alternatively, pick layout types it *does* look good with and use layout_. 13:19:11 Individual layouts? Lots. Layout types? Only a handful. 13:19:13 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 13:25:23 -!- reaver_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:26:03 -!- reaver_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:14 Sorry about my glitchy connection 13:27:15 * Grunt zaps a wand. reaver_'s connection looks more stable. 13:28:40 Hehe. 13:29:34 %git 13:29:34 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-1140-gccf31d4: Remove linesprint (st_) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 1090-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ccf31d4db4ab 13:29:41 Grunt: Also, I was thinking about trying to extend your Ash_visionary vault to the Crypt/Forest switch. (i.e., making that possibly randomly replace one of the lair branches.) Any comments? 13:29:55 what's the reason? from what i heard, linesprint was the most popular sprint 13:30:05 We'd need to figure out what's going to happen with Forest first. 13:30:21 Hellfire crossbow bolts can miss. by dck 13:30:28 wheals: I don't get why that was done either. st_ said that making sure linesprint has horizontal was "ruining it". 13:30:45 wheals: Here's the log: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/%23%23crawl-dev-20131128.log 13:30:56 control-F st_ 13:31:38 weird 13:32:09 Grunt: Ok, so I'll wait until the decision on that is final. What's the attitude on that leaning right now anyway? 13:33:18 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: yes] 13:33:39 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:35:40 reaver_: I have no idea. 13:36:29 Grunt: Ok, thanks for the response. 13:38:18 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:39:26 for me, getting vertical linesprint made me feel like ^Qyes 13:40:04 while the sprint itself was pretty fun 13:40:15 the only other thing that sucked was its official name 13:40:44 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 13:40:48 kilobyte: PS evilmike also said he disliked the removal 13:41:20 hey it isn't called Sprint IX "-----------------------------------" 13:41:27 st_: :p 13:42:38 ≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣≣ 13:47:25 A | comes into view (x27) 13:47:48 The | engulfs you! You die... 13:51:03 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53:28 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56:58 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 13:59:54 -!- sprort has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 14:03:16 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:35 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:05:33 argh, I wanted to make some spreadsheets for some proposed changes to D/Depths oods/whatever, except that I suck at coding too much to actually understand the formulas at the bottom of random-pick.h 14:05:45 Toxic status: Prompt when removing an item would cause loss of rPois by brendan 14:06:29 (or at least what abs or pop-> are) 14:07:23 abs == absolute value; pop->minr = the lowest allowable level; pop->maxr == the highest allowable level. 14:07:48 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:50 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:11:16 being prompted to unwield olgreb after evoking it sounds really annoying 14:11:32 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:11:34 by the way, was it a conscious decision to not let phantasmal warriors into Depths (aside from rather rare vampire knight accompaniment) 14:12:13 also sounds like a pretty ineffective way of stupidly splatting since you can just rewield it if somehow the poisoning is actually a problem 14:12:59 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:13:13 oh bh isn't even here 14:15:10 I had been thinking of making some lua to prompt when the player is either mummy or in lich form and they evoke cboe or wucad but have no source of clarity. Would it be better if the game just always prompted under these conditions? 14:16:00 This has gotten me killed once; forgot to puck back on clarity 14:16:08 s/puck/put/ 14:17:12 -!- reaver_ has quit [] 14:18:29 welp, this spreadsheet is going to be a little large 14:20:14 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 14:21:01 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:23:42 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:25:09 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:26:51 -!- Saganami has quit [Client Quit] 14:30:47 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:34:15 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:37 -!- slifty has quit [Client Quit] 14:46:07 -!- herself has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:55:37 -!- Virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:58:52 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:53 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 14:58:53 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:25 -!- Sky__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:59:41 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1141-g60839e1: Shatter "The shillelagh engulfs you!" 10(87 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=60839e1ffe77 15:01:20 The shillelagh engulfs you! You are devastated. You die.. 15:01:20 gammafunk: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:01:55 A devastating defeat. 15:07:02 -!- scummos| has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:14:00 -!- Virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:14:18 -!- valtern has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:05 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:19:02 -!- ackack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 15:21:54 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:24:27 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:30:48 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:34:51 -!- tenofswords has left ##crawl-dev 15:40:55 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:23 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:14 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 16:01:37 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:04:15 Oh, I completely forgot to check that my Shoals ending worked. 16:04:23 ...which it does, in the technical sense. 16:04:31 Not sure it really turned out matching the base idea, but... 16:04:52 http://sprunge.us/fLAM 16:05:36 -!- SteampunkDuck has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06:43 I like the look of this 16:07:07 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:10 reminds me of a sea anemone 16:08:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:09:19 (also I might change the name) 16:09:30 OSX builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1128-gf332958 16:10:06 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:37 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:57 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:12:27 OSX builds of the 0.13 branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13.1 16:13:41 -!- inspector071 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:13:53 Grunt: I was going to make my first water temple portal look kind of like a 'pode with 8 legs, but I scraped that, since it didn't work well when the "legs" were all together 16:14:04 But spreading them all out like that is better 16:17:22 Grunt: That seems like an awful high concentration of enemies. Is it ok when you playtest it? 16:17:42 There are fewer enemies than it looks like (some of them are SUBST:ed away). 16:17:50 Remember that this is supposed to take the place of the set of huts of the other endings. 16:19:31 -!- Brokkr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20:09 Yes, I see the subst. It still seems a bit dense to me. Just noticed the K as well 16:20:25 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:20:39 But I'm probably behaving like a mermaid 16:20:48 Sorry if that's sexist 16:21:52 it's dense but you get nice hallways to fight in 16:22:07 which I like given that's a rare privilige in Shoals 16:22:15 Yeah, and monsters will wander out, and there are many exits 16:25:53 there are hallways in shoals, it's called using a wand of digging 16:27:37 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:33:21 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 16:37:31 fr: merfolk with a guaranteed wand of digging when you enter shoals 16:37:31 Feature Request received, thanks gammafunk! 16:37:39 woah 16:38:15 and next to him Sigmund with a pick-axe 16:39:20 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:39:52 -!- kaiza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:43:46 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 16:44:21 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:46:35 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:47:59 sorry I apparently ruined linesprint :(. I asked the author about it some time back and didn't hear back, so I assumed submitting changes was reasonable. 16:48:16 Sky (L24 GrEE) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 682: ASSERT failed: shop->type of 4294967295 out of range 0 (0) .. NUM_SHOPS (13) (Depths:2) 16:48:48 this change was reasonable -- vertical linesprints made me angry quite a few times 16:50:17 -!- ldf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:05 Kobold in LOS on new game by Skrybe 16:52:30 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:53:16 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 16:54:08 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:00:48 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 17:01:18 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1142-g873d284: Revert "Remove linesprint (st_)" 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 1090+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=873d284b82a2 17:01:18 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-1143-g20e051e: Clarity breathe flame ability description (magicpoints) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=20e051e6ac12 17:05:08 +1 reverting removal (why was that done, after just a single snarky comment?), -1 to reverting fixing orientation 17:07:30 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:09:40 -!- kaiza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:09:55 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:10:42 I'm not really sure this is fit for its originally intended purpose, but it turned out not extremely terribly: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5494313/some_serpent_thing.png 17:11:01 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:41 Grunt: been playing J-Bird again, I see? 17:13:42 kilobyte: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 17:14:08 o_O? 17:16:12 Grunt: a PC game from 1981 or so where one of the enemies looked identically as this tile 17:16:48 I've never even heard of this game. 17:17:09 kilobyte: if he'd played the game he could have saved a lot of time by just cloning the tile ;-P 17:17:25 SamB: CGA has a quite limited palette 17:17:37 Grunt: is that jormungandr 17:17:41 that's the one with like 3 colors 17:17:49 one of which is cyan 17:17:49 Bloax: ...no comment >_> 17:18:01 right? 17:20:03 Grunt: That green guy always kills me in Q-bert 17:20:34 -!- kaiza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:16 -!- wack has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 17:22:38 -!- kaiza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:49 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:24:54 Amilir (L23 LOFi) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 703: Portal enter_pandemonium[57] didn't get generated. (Depths:3) 17:24:57 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:01 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:25:43 !lm * crash -log 17:25:43 5719. Amilir, XL23 LOFi, T:64589 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Amilir/crash-Amilir-20131128-232451.txt 17:27:17 I don't see pan entry vaults on the list... 17:27:43 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:42 -!- Ur-Quan has quit [Quit: Off to get my forcefield and my battle thralls.] 17:34:21 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:32 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:34:37 I should have better things to do, but what are you guys doing with linesprint? 17:35:38 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:36:14 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:01 if it shouldn't be changed then that's fine, but I'd like to hear why if possible 17:40:35 -!- Gnum has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:41:24 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:41:39 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:09 ...oh merde, I thought if a vault was blocked due to luniq_foo the fallback would be eventually used 17:42:31 didn't manage to see it happen in all my testing but 17:42:46 rchandra: so there was actual controversy? 17:43:00 tenofswords: it *should* do that!! 17:43:19 I was surprised that neil removed it... he seemed to be happy with the alignment change, if I read his intentions on the tracker correctly. 17:43:23 * dpeg is confused. 17:43:30 * Grunt hands dpeg a potion of curing. 17:43:40 oh, good, then I can assume it's not my problem 17:43:54 Bloax: in any case, I had a vague notion of giving him a 32x48 tile, but that particular concept didn't work very well in that size. 17:44:53 just focus on the sheer size of his head and imply the rest is out of sight behind it or something 17:45:18 I'm not artistic enough to be able to pull that off >_> 17:46:11 Grunt: Just use on of the old sausage snake tiles... 17:46:21 sausage snake 17:46:21 :| 17:46:24 rip sausage snakes 17:46:26 push the unique and then put up an implementable for the tile 17:46:34 when was the last implementable 17:47:26 ...today, welp 17:47:26 tenofswords: stopped doing them, they don't seem to work anymore 17:48:57 clearly needs to focus more on tinier things like tiles 17:49:31 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:50:32 * Grunt attempts to figure out why that fallback didn't work. 17:51:03 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:51:46 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:52:31 { // Dungeon (OOD cap: 20) ... { 5, 15, 999, FLAT, MONS_ZOMBIE }, ... { 12, 20, 999, FLAT, MONS_ZOMBIE }, ... }; 17:52:44 ... 17:53:11 (something tells me the small/large combination stuff is a little awkward) 17:53:34 That's exactly what it was, actually. 17:53:37 %git d0ed0c66 17:53:38 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-2435-gd0ed0c6: Remove the small/large zombie distinction. 10(8 months ago, 42 files, 320+ 394-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d0ed0c66e544 17:53:39 large small abomination zombie 17:53:51 we don't need twice as many zombies on D:12-15, yeah 17:54:25 kilobyte: bbbbut the z vs Z glyph! 17:54:30 large small spectral abomination shapeshifter simulacrum 17:54:38 Now we have a free letter... heresy! 17:54:53 is Q not a letter 17:55:12 Q is the important free letter for customizing :) 17:55:45 dpeg: that's done at display time 17:56:08 colour zombies based on their original monster and put them on Z 17:56:14 rchandra: there already two proposals: [un?]intelligent hybrids, and birdfolk 17:56:19 because H is stuffed 17:56:23 keep skeletal warriors & friends on z 17:56:41 colourful zombies would be slightly easier to tell apart and would be festive 17:56:44 oh that reminds me, how about not spawning zombies/skeletons at all in V (or D?) 17:56:49 since depths pioneered it 17:57:02 can't we just bone-dragon-ify zombies 17:57:18 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1144-gd25e103: Correct a comment. 10(11 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d25e103a2294 17:57:18 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1145-gab3866a: Don't produce twice as many zombies on D:12-15. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ab3866a3cee6 17:57:20 MarvinPA: or making zombie base generation make some sense 17:57:23 none in V is good, but they're nice in early D I think (and all D is early :)) 17:57:30 it's especially broken in the Abyss and hells 17:57:51 evilmike, MarvinPA: sounds good 17:58:15 true, early zombies can be interesting at times 17:58:25 coloured zombies "good"? o_O 17:58:30 coloured corpses are bad enough 17:58:58 could we make all clean corpses lightgrey, poisoned lightgreen, and so on? 17:59:54 * dpeg is still sad about monochrome toadstools. 18:00:03 kilobyte probably lives in a grey world :) 18:00:21 it's sometimes nice to be able to guess from the color what monster a corpse is 18:00:40 for animate dead, dragon hide chopping, phoenix, etc 18:00:56 would be harder if we based color on chunk type 18:01:55 -!- evilmike has quit [] 18:02:24 tenofswords: yes, luniq currently block checking the fallback, which it shouldn't do. Working on fixing it. 18:03:04 (i.e. being blocked for failing a luniq check) 18:03:57 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:05:24 ...bleh, I'd have to do annoying things to cover that skeleton/zombie doubletime overlap on my spreadsheet 18:05:38 ...what doubletime thing <_< 18:05:40 (that just went away) 18:06:04 I'm spreadsheeting pre-dungeon-split D too! 18:06:28 there are other entries that use the same monster, though 18:06:40 -!- kaiza has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:00 ? 18:07:24 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1146-gdbdbaf1: Place fallback chance tag vaults when main vault is blocked by [l]uniq tag. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dbdbaf16e9ad 18:07:55 -!- Sky__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:09:18 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1147-g2965f04: Revert "Replace `mprf(ch, s)` with `mpr(s, ch)`" 10(8 hours ago, 18 files, 34+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2965f04181dc 18:09:18 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1148-g5f4ae1e: Replace `mpr(s, ch)` with `mprf(ch, s)` 10(2 hours ago, 88 files, 634+ 723-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f4ae1ef05d9 18:09:18 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1149-gf6a14d9: Remove the multi-argument version of mpr(). 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 28+ 20-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f6a14d95cd37 18:09:18 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1150-gdcc0ed1: Reverse the order of arguments in mpr_nojoin(). 10(88 minutes ago, 7 files, 11+ 11-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dcc0ed19d09e 18:09:18 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1151-gc433d94: Remove mpr_nocap(). 10(81 minutes ago, 13 files, 19+ 27-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c433d949e7be 18:09:18 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1152-gec5babf: Restrict mpr() to literals only. 10(21 minutes ago, 26 files, 66+ 66-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec5babf52457 18:09:18 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1153-g0fb30d8: Don't convert the argument to stop_attack_prompt() back and forth. 10(17 minutes ago, 3 files, 5+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0fb30d88f370 18:09:18 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1154-g43e8c26: Drop tagstring.{cc,h} 10(5 minutes ago, 11 files, 10+ 31-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=43e8c26a3221 18:11:25 ...merde, and if a level places a no_exp monster it probably does an extra roll so that doesn't even count, right 18:12:18 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:13:17 kilobyte: so what's the idea with all that mpr stuff 18:14:40 SamB: I replaced a good deal of string arithmetic with sprintf, and got rid of the weird argument order 18:15:20 that's presumably not sprintf proper 18:15:24 as a side effect, had to add "%s" in a bunch of places, but that shouldn't be worse than tossing strings around 18:15:55 yeah, mprf(), but it uses format checks that throw warnings if anything looks fishy 18:16:09 fishy? 18:16:26 oh, you mean the printf warning stuff 18:16:32 yeah 18:16:39 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1155-g384ea2d: Unbreak tiles. 10(35 seconds ago, 2 files, 4+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=384ea2dcbb33 18:16:41 Detect creatures doesn't distinguish between zombie sizes by 78291 18:16:41 from GCC 18:17:13 ISTR going on a rampage to add the necessary annotations to our headers to get those warnings 18:18:15 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:19:52 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 18:21:42 03elliptic02 07* 0.14-a0-1156-g324c14e: Add hit_(non)magic(_nomove) functions, rename hit_adjacent to hit_closest_nomove. 10(10 minutes ago, 4 files, 32+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=324c14e7ddb7 18:23:15 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1157-g97409c2: Fix a warning in optimized builds. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=97409c24b3e5 18:23:15 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1158-gd9be2f7: Automated brace removal. 10(3 minutes ago, 11 files, 0+ 42-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d9be2f7fbd7f 18:24:33 mprf(MSGCH_DIAGNOSTICS, "Player is already dead, skipping Xom act."); 18:25:33 on a previous topic: aside from addressing a few particularly reviled monsters (dryad, wellspring) and some of my own personal projects on touching up forest:$ vaults, is there really much to block forest in 0.14 for 18:26:09 what would you say if wellsprings had a small accident? 18:26:35 I'd be quite annoyed that the creator's idea to further address them was ignored 18:26:50 tenofswords: do you know that idea? 18:27:20 "let them summon (1-2) and primal wave in the same act, but also hurt the caster in the process" 18:27:34 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:28:33 tenofswords: sounds great! 18:29:58 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:36 (marvinpa has expressed quite the annoyance at wallwalking in general, and I think it'd be better to let wallwalkers just have extra ac when in a wall rather than invulernability) 18:32:53 dryads seem like they would work just fine without treewalking to me yeah 18:33:19 yeah 18:33:29 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:33:35 (Draco said he'd up their HP to compensate) 18:34:00 MarvinPA: still fine with rock worms? 18:34:19 rock worms i would prefer to not exist, really 18:34:48 i don't think they're very often interesting or threatening, but they are definitely very often annoying 18:35:16 They are zelgadis' attempt to get the player away from the corridors... 18:36:17 well, we have added quite a lot of different ways to encourage that over the years, i just don't think rock worms work very well at it 18:37:01 MarvinPA: what do you have in mind? I can only think of slime creatures, and some people tell me they don't achieve that aim anyway. 18:37:21 tenofswords: if you have him online, what about persuading him to come back and help fixing this stuff? 18:37:25 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:37:35 even just ideas rather than code 18:37:43 nothing else comes to mind off the top of my head, slime creatures i think do a massively better job than rock worms do though 18:38:01 slime creatures are far more effective at getting players out of corridors than rock worms, yes 18:38:21 rock worms just aren't very dangerous, even in the lair vault where they show up early 18:38:36 or stuff like IOOD, malign gateway, monsters with LRD 18:38:36 MarvinPA: well, the usual solution would be to move them a couple levels earlier 18:38:55 oh, he's definitely not coming back 18:39:27 tenofswords: I am afraid so, but I'd do a lot (including money :) to have him say something about the ideas he had when he left :( :( 18:39:29 tenofswords: because of a bunch of idiots? 18:39:40 not spawning them in spider/vaults would make sense at least yeah (vaults especially since there isn't even any rock there) 18:40:11 two different bunches of idiots, I suppose 18:40:20 part of the issue with rock worms is that they show up way too late, but even if buffed/moved earlier I'm not very optimistic about them being interesting for anything other than lua bots 18:40:24 tenofswords: sadly, you can't survive on Teh Interwebs without being able to stomach bozos 18:40:38 the biting, biting irony involved here 18:40:39 (yeah, I know I'm a bozo myself way too often :p) 18:41:15 tenofswords: no need to open this can again... we can learn from the incident, nothing more 18:41:16 I'll see if I can put up a devwiki page eventually 18:41:23 at any rate 18:41:25 tenofswords: would be wonderful! 18:41:44 elliptic: alright, if you think they're that bad, then just remove them 18:42:20 perhaps the underlying problem is that their special trick relates to fleeing, which indicates trouble anyway 18:42:41 (they are too all-or-nothing - either they are in a wall and you can't do anything about them but lead them to open space, or they are out of a wall and are just like any other monster) 18:43:10 that too 18:43:17 why not just nerf wallwalking 18:43:31 * kilobyte sicks a nome at tenofswords. 18:43:40 ahem 18:43:46 i'm not sure they even actually flee any more 18:44:02 (although they do have a ton of code to specially handle their fleeing if it were to happen somehow) 18:44:10 fear 18:44:14 right 18:44:15 they don't actually flee normally yeah, they do reposition themselves into adjacent walls sometimes 18:45:03 ...bug: lantern of shadows uses evocations skill but doesn't allow training evocations. 18:45:13 (This only matters for Fe, probably, but.) 18:45:32 I didn't know it used evo skill 18:45:54 I assume for shadow frequency? 18:45:55 ...let me find the relevant commit. 18:46:10 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a72490b38f3fc9e2a5d353ee1d192f99df8ec4ce 18:46:15 That's the one, yes. 18:46:43 so, should rock worms go? 18:46:56 anyway rock worms wouldn't be awful if wallwalking just gave extra AC instead of invulnerability as tenofswords suggested 18:47:02 btw, while we're talking problematic monsters... snails retreating into their shells is cool but pointless -- it would make some sense if they instantly (magically?) got back to full HP as soon as they retreat 18:47:03 but I also wouldn't mind just seeing them go 18:47:17 dpeg: well, they do get a greatly increased regen rate 18:47:30 which can occasionally be problematic if your damage output is very low 18:47:37 it might be fine just to increase the regen rate more 18:47:41 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:48:41 elliptic: yes, but it does not seem to work well enough... of course, they're crippled by slowness anyway 18:49:14 yes, the monster isn't going to be great regardless because of slowness 18:49:33 I'm tempted to suggest something like leda's 18:49:34 slow monsters are okay, but never as melee + HP-bags 18:49:38 trapping stuff behind snails is fun 18:49:48 tenofswords, rchandra: yes 18:51:50 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 18:51:50 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 18:51:50 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:42 time for a decision wrt rock worms: remove? Give extra AC? 19:05:02 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:05:05 i'd prefer remove personally 19:05:32 elliptic? dpeg? 19:06:17 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:06:22 Grunt? tenofswords? 19:06:33 I don't really care what happens to them. 19:09:00 kilobyte: let's remove 19:09:42 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1159-gf979edf: Remove rock worms. 10(8 minutes ago, 28 files, 34+ 99-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f979edf64d86 19:09:49 * tenofswords waves a sad goodbye 19:09:55 that was quick :) 19:10:08 kilobyte: you must have been sitting on the trigger, tears in your eyes 19:10:09 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:23 ...tears of joy! 19:10:31 :p 19:11:04 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1160-g9cd30e7: Fix a crash on acid splash. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9cd30e7cf865 19:11:17 mostly will be fine with another new toy 19:11:23 like leda's snails? 19:11:28 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:11:48 * Grunt is reminded of an old bad vault of his <_< 19:11:51 not a fitting monster for the Lair for theme reasons 19:11:58 but elsewhere... 19:12:02 Swamp? 19:13:30 If only we had a new, fire and poison breathing worm to take the place of rock worms... 19:13:42 No, that'll never happen 19:15:05 That's a unique, gammafunk :b 19:15:25 (lindwurms aren't exactly worms either) 19:16:30 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:19:27 should dryads be banhammered from mucking with trees as well? 19:19:47 (no, no prepared commit this time :p) 19:21:18 that does sound nice 19:25:43 is there a reference anywhere for the lua interface with the player object? 19:25:53 specifically I want to know how to check skills from lua 19:27:21 I've seen it doen in rcfiles, maybe try 78921s? somehting like you.has_skill(throwing, 3) 19:27:50 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:02 right, actually I should have thought of that. But if there's a reference out there, would love to know about it 19:28:57 it's pretty much just that and l_you.cc 19:29:04 me too :) trying to find a way to know if I'm playing sprint from the rcfile, not sure how to access dgn_level_name or even if that's what I want. 19:30:26 ??lua 19:30:26 I don't have a page labeled lua in my learndb. 19:31:08 rchandra: that made me imagine qw in sprint 19:31:48 Mmmm, qwsprint 19:31:50 elliptic: IMO qwsprint 19:31:58 qwqwqw 19:31:58 qw-keys activated 19:32:01 <3 19:32:28 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:32:40 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:33:42 rchandra: I don't see a way at the moment, but I might be missing something 19:34:06 %rc qw 19:34:07 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/qw.rc 19:34:11 Should D:2 ever be disconnected? (0.14-a0-1141-g60839e1) 19:34:17 that's unfortunate, would be useful for things like meatsprint.rc too 19:34:34 CKyle: possibly? Is this in a live game? 19:34:36 gammafunk: you.skill("Axes") returns your skill 19:34:45 elliptic: Yes, found that, but thanks 19:35:05 I was "Done exploring", but a magic mapping scroll revealed an alter that I can only reach by going to D:3 and coming back up. 19:35:11 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:35:15 It's a live local game. 19:35:24 that sort of disconnected is normal for sure 19:35:26 ...I meant an online game <_< 19:35:35 CKyle: can you save your game and upload it somewhere? 19:35:43 well, that's ok and intended 19:35:44 (I'm guessing it's on account of a vault) 19:35:52 reaching it through D:3 is ok 19:35:56 (though some layouts can generate disconnected levels too) 19:36:05 (just not any that normally spawn on D:2 IIRC) 19:36:14 Alright then. I was just surprised because I would have never found it without checking all the upstairs or magic mapping. 19:36:23 disconnected would mean you can't get there at all other than using teleport/hatches/digging 19:36:36 Oh, that altar vault. 19:36:39 CKyle: many (most?) people check all upstairs and/or verify that they have 3 downstairs 19:36:41 that's why stairs show whether they're visited or not 19:36:56 rchandra: would be nice to automate that somehow 19:37:08 OK, thanks. 19:37:10 kilobyte: maybe make autoexplore visit untaken stairs 19:37:20 kilobyte: "Done exploring. Some stairs not found"? 19:37:31 "Partially explored; some stairs not found." 19:37:45 CKyle: no, why? That's up to you. I meant marking stairs you've seen the other pair as visited. 19:38:16 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:38:17 there is one problem though, seeing the other stair via glass 19:39:12 or in an exclusion 19:39:48 (with a sleeping scary monster or whatever) 19:40:06 exclusion is still ok: you've seen the other stair so it doesn't need to be explored 19:40:30 on the other hand, there's quite a few vaults that show a stair through glass 19:40:33 it would give away that the stair is unsafe to take 19:40:39 surely? 19:41:00 a couple of temple entries, for example 19:41:31 kilobyte: I see. I thought you meant give a little warning that you should go back up before you consider the level finished. But yeah, I should probably do that anyway. 19:42:07 seeing an unexplored stair means it's something you should visit 19:42:20 (unless you have somehow a reason not to) 19:42:36 can be tedious currently 19:45:56 kilobyte: how about only marking stairs as visited if you have clear line of sight (no trans) to them? 19:46:42 could work, yeah 19:48:19 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:39 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1161-g5a9b210: Make wellsprings use their hp as mana for casting their spells (tenofswords). 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 14+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5a9b21002bee 19:51:27 tenofswords: did I understand you correctly? 20:07:33 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:13:01 uh, it was kind of meant to be pared with the summon-on-shot thing 20:13:42 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:14:03 dammit, I kind of suspected you'd say that :/ 20:14:28 ie, splitting parts of itself to create spam of elementals 20:14:47 it would hardly be summon spamming when the "can kill summoner to abjure summons" clause is still around 20:14:58 also do we really need another trj? 20:15:29 fr trj has ranged attacks 20:15:30 Feature Request received, thanks tenofswords! 20:15:35 shut up sequell 20:22:11 1fr sequell shuts up about fr 20:22:21 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all!] 20:23:12 ??:beh: 20:23:12 :beh:[1/6]: {{nick:Grunt}} /me >>> ::: 20:23:14 ??:beh:[2 20:23:14 :beh:[2/6]: fr >>> ::: Feature Request received, thanks Grunt! 20:23:15 if you're still going to listen to me as a proxy for DracoOmega, he just said that if nobody is going to try for an actually sensible version of wellsprings he'd rather just see them removed 20:23:16 ??:beh:[3 20:23:16 :beh:[3/6]: fr: >>> ::: Feature Request received, thanks Grunt! 20:23:23 !learn del :beh:[2] 20:23:23 Deleted :beh:[2/6]: fr >>> ::: Feature Request received, thanks $nick! 20:23:23 !learn del :beh:[2] 20:23:24 Deleted :beh:[2/5]: fr: >>> ::: Feature Request received, thanks $nick! 20:24:06 -!- Somefellow has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:24:30 -!- Sky___ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:24:47 tenofswords: so what should they have in his opinion? Just that summon-on-shot thing, or something else? 20:25:09 said summon on shot, because otherwise they're suicidal stone giants 20:25:26 (with a band you can trivially bleed off them because the band leader is bound to water) 20:25:29 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:25:46 they could perhaps use the summons cap now as well 20:28:19 -!- sprinter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:29:18 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:40 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1162-gce3e2db: Make elemental badsprings summon (via the primal wave) instead of having a band. 10(3 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ce3e2dbb7176 20:30:53 good 'typo' 20:31:35 not sure if interactions with normal summon mechanics are that good 20:31:44 hp summon cap 20:31:54 so to speak 20:32:16 for example, elementals that expire could heal (ie, merge into) their master 20:32:17 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:33:08 boo, the clock was set back to one minute before midnight. 20:34:27 -!- Brokkr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:36:18 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1163-g4f8b3e7: Axe "without limit" from wellspring description. 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=4f8b3e73b329 20:36:57 -!- Quashie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:37:45 tenofswords: ? 20:38:06 there's something not yet mentioned in this channel. 20:38:17 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:48:45 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 20:53:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:55:19 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it] 20:59:18 so, word of recall seems like a really really dumb spell in sprint 20:59:29 I'm just going to leave this here if we're going to go down this road again: http://sprunge.us/KEMD 21:02:07 Grunt: <3 21:02:26 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:03:56 G - a +1 summon cap 21:04:21 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 21:07:50 Grunt: is this cap for player and monster? 21:08:53 dpeg: players are already capped; monsters aren't. 21:08:59 dpeg: this uses the same code path for both caps. 21:09:44 This is only really an issue in a few specific cases (I mentioned the most egregious ones I've seen recently in the commit message). 21:09:59 I don't think players battling most other enemies will notice a difference 21:09:59 . 21:10:32 -!- Zaba has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 21:10:33 Grunt: good -- why hide it on sprunge? :) 21:11:37 you could at least put it a branch 21:11:44 word of recall in sprint is a bit much by rchandra 21:11:49 there's one fitting, named "master" 21:12:18 I like checking with at least two other people before I push something possibly controversial. 21:12:40 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1164-g531d946: Cap monster summons. 10(16 minutes ago, 3 files, 46+ 46-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=531d946fa38e 21:12:42 And now I've done that... 21:12:51 * tenofswords sighs 21:13:02 my poor wand of cold rakshasas 21:13:17 Well, they haven't been the same since the rod of smiting got removed anyway. 21:14:31 It's Friday, and I am looking through the recently uploaded patches. I will take care of the vaults myself but could one of you check 7779? The functionality is very welcome, this just needs a code review. (The patch is supposed to list ghost spells.) 21:14:40 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:29 I give up on trying to elevate people just learning vaults to standards that sometimes even experienced vault makers miss 21:15:47 tenofswords: which vaults do you mean? New ones on Mantis? 21:15:53 yes 21:16:03 I will just eventually edit the hell out of all vaults anyway 21:16:21 less cryptic and more context please 21:16:37 if it is a recurring problem, I will mention it (and the solution) someplace 21:18:21 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 21:20:49 another thing to put on the todo list, I guess 21:21:12 by the way, nergalle would need to appear crazy early to be noticeable at this point 21:21:41 (did I say a minute, it's probably thirty seconds) 21:24:12 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: sleep] 21:24:50 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1165-ge003e83: Correctly pluralise raiju as raiju. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e003e83a0934 21:24:50 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1166-g2db2a32: Generate a raiju corpse tile. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2db2a32d3831 21:26:37 shouldn't raiju be further up with the sheep/fish/etc 21:27:16 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1167-gf87f3a4: Drop the rock worm tile. 10(30 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f87f3a4e41e1 21:27:16 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-1168-gf5005bf: Check that nothing uses a radius_iterator centered outside the map. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5005bf1b3b4 21:28:04 -!- Hal9k- has quit [] 21:28:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:37:31 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:11 "This software is quintuple-licensed under MIT, GPL, Pinky-Promise, Muggsy's Badass License, and the Software Pharaoh's Unbreakable Curse." 21:45:42 very important: which version of GPL 21:46:33 don't you know which ones are mutually exclusive with the software pharaoh's decrees 21:47:11 Oh I'm only familiar with the incompatability with BSD 21:47:43 * nonethousand reads up on undead patent law 21:50:38 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1168-gf5005bf (34) 21:59:05 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:59 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:03 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 22:00:03 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:01:13 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:18 bhbhbhbhbh 22:02:27 oh hi grunt 22:05:11 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 22:07:33 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:08:52 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:16:02 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 22:19:35 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:23:23 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:29:58 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:52 SGrunt (L10 GhIE) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (D:9) 22:36:55 o_O 22:36:57 I didn't do it! 22:37:08 I assert you did 22:37:17 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:38:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:01 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:42:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:01 Grunt: what if we made the abyss finite? 22:45:20 -!- wack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:48:21 bh: what if we made zot infinite? 22:48:32 Zannick: Deep. 22:48:52 let's split zot 22:48:58 into zot and the zepths 22:50:13 -!- MaxFrosty has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:50:58 and Zephyr 22:51:24 yeah, but who uses zephyr anymore? irc is where it's at :P 22:54:01 lakren (L18 DDFi) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (Depths:1) 22:59:10 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:00:08 lakren (L18 DDFi) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (Depths:1) 23:01:02 "If I'm wrong, please revert." hmmmm 23:01:03 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:01:37 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 23:01:37 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 23:01:37 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 23:03:48 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:05:42 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:07:10 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:15:03 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:16:47 -!- RedFeather has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 23:24:49 SGrunt (L14 GhIE) ASSERT(map_bounds(center)) in 'coordit.cc' at line 200 failed. (Lair:8) 23:24:55 Aaaarggghhhhh! 23:27:04 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:27:31 !lm * crash log 23:27:32 5723. SGrunt, XL14 GhIE, T:22443 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/SGrunt/crash-SGrunt-20131129-052448.txt 23:30:22 -!- Nivimer has joined ##crawl-dev 23:31:25 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:34:03 Does anyone object to moving bird people to Q? That would be all tengu and harpies. 23:34:30 kilobyte has endorsed this, so I was going to include in my next asterion patch, but there were someother opinions 23:36:15 WalkerBoh (L24 DjVM) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 703: Portal enter_hell[63] didn't get generated. (Depths:2) 23:38:58 !lm walkerboh crash -log 23:39:00 37. WalkerBoh, XL24 DjVM, T:86662 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/WalkerBoh/crash-WalkerBoh-20131129-053614.txt 23:39:08 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:14 ...yeah, version without the fix. 23:39:17 I'm curious how bird people's glyph are related to asterion 23:39:24 They aren't. 23:39:33 If you want to write a patch for it, do it separately. 23:41:53 they're only related in that I have an available color 23:42:10 It will be a seperate commit, of course 23:43:43 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:44:20 gammafunk: so you meant patch *series* 23:44:54 SamB: Is it common convention for patch to refer to one commit? 23:45:06 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 23:45:23 or worse, just a diff with no commit metadata at all 23:46:58 I guess I just hear people (even devs) refer to patches on mantis that contain more than one commit 23:47:37 I was thinking of patch as "a file containing one or more commits" 23:48:31 people get sloppy sometimes 23:49:25 -!- Stelpa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:50:33 Not I! I do not tolerate slop! 23:51:21 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 23:56:13 -!- slifty has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:58:17 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev