00:00:14 !lg . max=tdam x=tdam -tv:<0.2:x0.2 00:00:15 1182. SGrunt, XL23 HEGl, T:105582 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 00:00:44 whereas for trizap or quadzap you needed fairly specific angles 00:00:59 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13.0-65-g2bb7898 00:02:26 amethyst: I actually see where the several-day-long rituals come from 00:02:50 -!- lazarenth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:04:12 !lg * max=sdam killer=titan x=sdam 00:04:13 586. [sdam=211] Surr the Eclecticist (L26 VpEn), blasted by a titan (bolt of lightning) (created by the fury of Okawaru) on Crypt:2 (lemuel_elevator) on 2011-04-03 04:58:36, with 516886 points after 113351 turns and 7:39:10. 00:04:44 !lg * killer=titan max=sdam x=ntv 00:04:45 586. [ntv=10] Surr the Eclecticist (L26 VpEn), blasted by a titan (bolt of lightning) (created by the fury of Okawaru) on Crypt:2 (lemuel_elevator) on 2011-04-03 04:58:36, with 516886 points after 113351 turns and 7:39:10. 00:04:57 ...I swear that's been shown more than that :b 00:05:30 ntv has been reset several times 00:05:33 Grunt: I put my vault up on mantis for people to mock/tear apart 00:06:03 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:06:19 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-1029-g9530a8b (34) 00:06:50 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1029-g9530a8b (34) 00:11:00 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13.0-65-g2bb7898 (34) 00:12:25 -!- Ashyr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:13 I uploaded a new version of the RIbbit sewer vault to mantis. 00:18:22 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1029-g9530a8b (34) 00:31:36 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:33:49 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:18 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:56 -!- buppy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:46:39 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1029-g9530a8b 00:50:15 -!- Tabesh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:50:16 -!- twelwe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:51:07 -!- Thurston has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:51:33 -!- Roarke has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:58:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:00:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:14:10 Do you think something like this would work? Don't want to both submitting it to mantis if it's too ridiculous: http://rob.pecknology.net/se.patch 01:14:27 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:09 -!- Egglet|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 01:27:30 I think one problem is the player can come in, take all the loot except possibly the food, and sigmund and edmund would never know 01:27:50 oh wait, I see 01:28:12 I play tested it about 10 times, and they wake up fast 01:28:12 yeah, nevermind 01:28:23 no, I thought they always spawn near the water 01:28:48 the bathroom! 01:29:09 hrm, I guess you might want to give the player a better reward 01:29:21 well edmund usually has good weapon and armor 01:29:32 and it does spawn a food and another random weapon/armor 01:29:32 turkish delight? 01:29:35 sure, but the player can just encounter edmund normally 01:29:36 and it is a minivault ... 01:29:55 so theres food and arms... 01:30:12 there's two food any a very random piece of armour 01:30:17 1 food 01:30:23 well there we go 01:30:28 hah 01:30:40 I just know dpeg will want the loot at a minimum 01:30:52 at this point I'm wondering if the vault is viable 01:30:58 if so, I'll put it on mantis for comment 01:31:12 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:32:49 -!- master_j has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 01:37:30 -!- alaspooryorick has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:39:22 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:54:04 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 01:54:06 zzz 02:00:09 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:09:40 lightli did you ever put your vault up on mantis? 02:09:57 oh I see them 02:12:07 Add a Sigmund / Edmund Vault by badplayer 02:13:44 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:25:23 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:31:25 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:37 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:43:25 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: 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(it only contains the struct ghost) 10:20:02 -!- imantor has quit [Client Quit] 10:24:05 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:24:26 <|amethyst> Cedor: I think it's because the struct is anonymous 10:24:51 humhum 10:25:30 my problem is that because of this I can't had a vector to the struct 10:25:41 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:25:47 gcc won't allow me to have an element of the struct that has a constructor... 10:26:02 <|amethyst> what do you want to add? 10:26:13 i'd like to have a spell list 10:26:19 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:26:26 (I try to add spell list to monster ghost description) 10:26:40 and th best place I found to store this is the ghost struct 10:26:52 <|amethyst> you could use an array instead 10:26:55 <|amethyst> hm 10:27:04 <|amethyst> but that would use up space in all monster_infos 10:27:11 yep 10:27:25 that why I found the vector better 10:27:56 I may add it in the monster info struct 10:28:18 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 10:28:23 <|amethyst> yeah, I'm not even sure why that anonymous ghost structure needs to exist 10:28:37 <|amethyst> adding a spell list to monster info in general would be good anyway 10:28:42 info from the ghost contruction 10:28:47 ok 10:28:53 i'll do this then 10:28:57 <|amethyst> that would give us a way to put vault monster spell lists in xv 10:29:09 ah right 10:29:14 i'll lokk at this after 10:29:22 where are monster vault define? 10:29:59 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 10:32:49 <|amethyst> the spell: stuff is parsed and put into a mons_spec in mons_list::parse_mons_spells in mapdef.cc ; then dgn_place_monster builds the monster from the mons_spec 10:33:01 <|amethyst> if that's what you're asking 10:33:11 <|amethyst> dgn_place_monster in dungeon.cc 10:33:26 i'll look at this 10:33:54 -!- Heha has quit [Client Quit] 10:37:44 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:48 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:20 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:28 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:56:21 -!- Virigoth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:57:29 -!- Brannock has quit [] 10:59:25 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:00:32 -!- pwnmonke_ has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:02:30 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:04:53 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.0-65-g2bb7898 11:04:56 -!- deszczowiec has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:07:33 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:18:42 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:19:56 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-1034-geb01a0e (34) 11:30:10 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:39 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:38:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:45:47 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:48:31 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:17 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 11:51:58 .anyone here? 11:53:11 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-1035-gc50bab2: Move a misplaced monster description. 10(35 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c50bab28f8a3 11:53:13 -!- thug_lessons has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:53:49 nobody here but us quokkas >.> 11:54:43 Anyone know why they nerfed MDA? 11:55:07 ??they 11:55:07 devteam[1/13]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:admin:devteam 11:55:30 you know what I mean 11:55:46 anyone know why the devteam nerfed MDA (i.e making ozos not work with it anymore 11:56:03 Heck, I remember when ozos used to work with SDA 11:56:32 (i.e. swamp dragon armor) 11:57:06 Hm, I wonder if that devteam list should be split into more active and less active devs or something. 11:58:14 afaik it never worked with WDA 11:58:24 oh 11:58:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:58:47 Guess this means more people will use StDA? 11:58:55 possibly 11:59:07 certainly steam dragon armour seems reasonable on IE now 11:59:43 ??ozos 11:59:43 I don't have a page labeled ozos in my learndb. 11:59:47 ??ozo 11:59:47 I don't have a page labeled ozo in my learndb. 11:59:57 ??ozos armor 11:59:57 I don't have a page labeled ozos_armor in my learndb. 12:00:08 derp 12:00:12 ??ozocubus armour 12:00:13 ozocubus armour[1/2]: Extra 4 + ice/3 (5 + ice*7/12 if in ice form) AC lasting for 18 + 2d(power) turns. Incompatible with Stoneskin and armour with EVP >= 2 (or Enc. >= 5), but DOES work on the undead and bodily transformed. 12:00:48 So basically it works only with robe, leather, or StDA 12:01:20 don't forget animal skins and troll leather 12:01:26 true 12:01:30 why does crawl still have animal skins 12:01:44 uh 12:01:48 Zhor? 12:02:03 i wasnt asking you, and artifacts can get their own special types anyway 12:02:09 k 12:02:19 (the point was I have no idea either) 12:02:39 evilmike: good question, I think last time this was brought up there was some slight resistance because of berserkers starting with robes or something silly like that 12:02:41 flavour? 12:03:19 could berserkers just start in leather instead, would that really be much of a power change at all 12:03:21 could just let trolls and ogres start naked and give everyone else leather 12:03:30 SwissStopwatch: not all chars can wear leather 12:03:53 evilmike: it's not just trolls and ogres 12:04:02 hmmm, right 12:04:05 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 12:04:12 anyway I'd prefer just to give them robes 12:04:16 add 1 AC to all players, consider skin as basic cloth, and reduce aul armour AC by one? 12:04:18 it's not like these are wizard robes 12:04:35 yes, move people away from thinking characters can't melee in robes or something 12:04:50 rename robe as cloth? 12:07:37 anyway there's clearly no real reason to keep animal skins around now that okawaru doesn't gift them ;) 12:09:35 do animal skins even randomly generate anymore? 12:09:59 I don't think so 12:10:17 and yes, I think this is stepwise toward making them go away completely 12:14:07 -!- keszocze has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:26:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:27 -!- Ashyr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:31:33 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:31:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 12:32:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Client Quit] 12:36:06 -!- Cedor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:36:07 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:46 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:50 -!- CedorDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:25 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:28 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:56:45 -!- Cedor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:57:15 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:02 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:08 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:14 !seen bhaak 13:02:15 I last saw bhaak at Thu Nov 21 10:46:17 2013 UTC (2d 8h 15m 57s ago) saying 'nao is online since 2001' on ##crawl-dev. 13:02:46 dpeg: marco 13:07:54 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 13:08:41 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:15:49 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:21 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:53 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:14 -!- simmarine has quit [Client Quit] 13:22:32 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:26:06 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:15 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:46 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:29 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29:48 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 13:31:28 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:32:34 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:39:08 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:11 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:53:03 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:06:49 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 14:08:07 -!- ark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:08:39 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:39 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:50 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:12:10 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:10 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:05 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:30:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:37:33 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: yes] 14:39:13 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:46:03 -!- Ashyr has quit [] 14:54:50 -!- alefury has quit [] 14:55:20 -!- monty__ has quit [Quit: monty__] 14:55:28 -!- CedorDark has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:28 -!- Cedor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:07 -!- Vherid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:59:22 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:35 question 15:00:29 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:00:39 ...assuming anyone is here to answer it 15:12:35 -!- UseBees_ is now known as UseBees 15:18:12 so thrilled 15:18:56 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:56 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 15:18:56 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:17 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:32:14 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:39 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:02 just one quick complaint: can we get rid of or modify the elf:3 end vault that blocks the path with deep water? 15:38:20 i very nearly just got trapped in it 15:38:36 no flight, no blink, no tele, thanks to an abyss visit that burned all my stuff up 15:38:50 there needs to be a guaranteed way out of that vault 15:45:40 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:46:15 WalkerBoh: can add an abyss portal or something 15:46:34 even a guaranteed tele trap would be fine 15:46:37 yes 15:46:51 i had the luck of finding an artefact with +blink in the end 15:46:55 will do it -- please !tell me if I forget 15:47:04 thanks! 15:50:25 -!- OddMeat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:54:44 dpeg: How do you feel about replacing frederick with asterion instead of replacing frances? 15:55:20 who's asterion 15:56:44 lots of places in the game can trap you like that 15:56:50 %git asterion^{/minotaur} 15:56:50 07gammafunk02 {kilobyte} * 0.14-a0-990-g67a91f4: Asterion, a late-game unique minotaur of Makhleb 10(5 days ago, 11 files, 154+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=67a91f4d9430 15:57:09 past the early game the gloves come off. if you get stuck in a place like that it's your fault and you should die 15:57:17 evilmike: wrong channel? 15:57:28 i was replying to WalkerBoh 15:57:31 oh, sorry 15:57:49 I dunno, I think an abyss portal is a nice tradeoff 15:57:55 evilmike: i disagree pretty strongly 15:57:58 it IS a very ignominious way to go out. 15:58:07 like the one that sometimes spawns in labyrinths 15:58:08 gammafunk: no opinion -- is Frererick so bad? 15:58:29 Frederick is pretty brutal in all honesty 15:58:31 Frederick (03@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 159 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 3749 | Sp: mystic blast (3d25), b.cold (3d30), invisibility, iron shot (3d36) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 15:58:31 %??frederick 15:58:32 That is, being forced to ^Q or starve to death is debilitating. 15:58:42 keep frederick, toss frances if you're going to toss one 15:58:51 yeah 15:59:03 Frances is a joke, Frederick is almost a mini-Cerebov 15:59:06 dpeg: No, but there seems to be a desire to reduce the number of human uniques 15:59:08 you'd still have a chance without needing to starve yourself. it needs some luck, but you could try to get a demonologist or mage to banish you 15:59:37 Lightli: Asterion is more brutal than frederick, so replacing him seems more appropriate 15:59:45 really? 15:59:46 gammafunk: if a unique is good, I don't mind them being human 15:59:50 asterion is frances++ 16:00:02 frances is a pretty blah unique imo, though 16:00:16 -!- reaver_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:21 ackack: asterion has greater destruct and a greater servant; he beats frederick handily in arena 16:00:27 maybe it would be good for new uniques to not be progressively more ridiculous than the last 16:00:27 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 16:00:35 frances actually does a bit better, since she can make some uniques 16:00:35 gammafunk: don't see how that's incompatible with him being frances++ 16:00:43 MarvinPA: it's the power spiral at work, but the good one :) 16:00:53 Frederick's iron shot is as strong as Cerebovs, and his mystic blast is pretty close to fire storm 16:01:04 and he has 25% the hp 16:01:07 yes 16:01:12 hence he's a mini-Cerebov 16:01:19 anyway, i just find frederick substantially more interesting than frances 16:01:28 Frances (08@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 121 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 29 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(93) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 2119 | Sp: throw icicle (3d23), demon, haste, iron shot (3d26) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 16:01:28 %??frances 16:01:38 -!- CedorDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:01:52 evilmike: everything was dead 16:01:58 MarvinPA: scaling ridiculous uniques should almost always be possible via numbers 16:02:04 Clearly the solution is to remove Frances and then rename Frederick Frances 16:02:09 also how does banish help? 16:02:13 it puts you back where you were 16:02:21 WalkerBoh: access to items 16:02:21 you'd scum for a scroll of teleport or something 16:02:27 ah i see, okay 16:02:33 good point 16:02:42 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:44 we can't add a teleport or stair to every island or sealed box, if it's past early D you'll need to be creative or just die imo 16:02:56 evilmike: yes, that's alright 16:03:19 well it's not like the moat really adds anything to that elf vault 16:03:32 hm, I did it on purpose 16:03:34 i assume it's there to keep you from drawing out into an isolated corridor 16:03:47 in general i don't care for that sort of limitation 16:03:47 evilmike: it doesn't hurt anything to put it on a vault like that 16:03:54 i don't see where adding a guaranteed tele trap is bad 16:05:07 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 16:05:15 well letting stuff come out of the vault seems fine to me, rather than being able to kill stuff bit by bit and easily walk away 16:05:37 i guess it depends on the build and what you've got 16:06:03 -!- reaver_ has quit [] 16:06:30 that is pretty much the only elf ending that i've ever seen and then decided to skip (had no good way of clearing out the stuff on the moat sides) 16:06:51 MarvinPA: Do you think Asterion needs to be nerfed further? He has a servant cap of 2, could reduce it to one 16:07:31 unknown monster: "deep elf demonogist" 16:07:31 %??deep elf demonogist 16:07:34 well if you're claiming he's more brutal than frederick he probably shouldn't just replace frederick (and definitely shouldn't replace frances) 16:07:46 but arena isn't really a good way of testing that 16:07:55 40 dam + great mace + 20 hd seems like maybe a bigger issue than the servants 16:08:17 yeah, it's worse than that since he gets the mino second attack 16:08:22 minotaur (04H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 49-90 | AC/EV: 5/7 04(headbutt) | Dam: 35, 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(52) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1090 | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 16:08:22 %??minotaur 16:08:38 my argument for replacing frances is 1) i assumed that one of those two would definitely get removed and 2) i vastly prefer frederick 16:08:45 clearly there would be difficulty inflation that way 16:08:56 Yeah, the deep elf I can't spell the name of gets bonafide summon greater demon and it doesn't have a summon cap 16:09:15 Lightli: those are very squishy, so they don't really need a cap 16:09:22 deep elf demonologist (08e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 42-66 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(96) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1340 | Sp: demon, banishment, greater demon, minor demon | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 16:09:22 %??deep_elf_demonologist 16:09:29 true 16:09:38 fire giant (05C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 73-122 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(85), 05fire++, 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1817 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), fireball (3d26) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 16:09:38 %??fire giant 16:09:44 why are people talking about replacing frederick, thats a bad idea 16:09:46 frost giant (12C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 85-126 | AC/EV: 9/3 | Dam: 35 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(85), 02cold++, 12drown | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1753 | Sp: b.cold (3d25) | Sz: Giant | Int: normal. 16:09:46 %??frost giant 16:09:48 frederick is cool 16:10:08 i guess now that titans are a thing they would be competitive with asterion in terms of melee 16:10:15 that's probably about it for things you encounter in a 3 rune game 16:10:25 You forgot ettins 16:10:28 oh yeah 16:10:31 although those are more glass cannons 16:10:38 but they are weaker and less accurate 16:12:09 i don't think asterion should be able to show up in lair branch endings, that seems insane 16:12:23 ackack: that's changed in kilobyte's branch 16:12:25 ok 16:12:36 maybe would be suitable in late depths or pan or something 16:12:44 apparently sojo used to be able to show up there as well 16:12:50 Dear god 16:12:55 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:00 yes, i had sojobo and jory in my snake:5 in my first runelock game 16:13:01 good times 16:13:12 welcome to runelock! 16:13:12 ...always wondered why Zot was off limits to most uniques 16:13:30 probably to not make them feel inadequate 16:13:56 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:31 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:15:05 unknown monster: "black draconian demonologist" 16:15:05 %??black draconian demonologist 16:15:10 black draconian zealot (09d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 71-90 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(64), 10elec++ | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1614 | Sp: b.lightning (3d21), demon, hellfire burst (3d15), minor healing (2d8), smiting (7-17), animate dead | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 16:15:10 %??black draconian zealot 16:16:05 there is some joke about so much tabbing that one doesn't even remember the classes split between deep elves and draconians 16:16:25 I knwo that annihilators are shared between them 16:16:31 red draconian caller (07d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 74-102 | AC/EV: 9/10 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(64), 05fire | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1374 | Sp: fire breath (3d20), drakes | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 16:16:31 %??red draconian caller 16:17:17 evilmike: I've had mostly policies of no_rtele_into for most closets instead of teleport traps or hatches, am I introducing worse things through how quietly awkward no_rtele_into is 16:17:36 no_rtele_into is good to use 16:18:00 all i was saying is, if you are dumb enough to use your last teleport to cTele into that closet, well, it sucks to be you 16:18:24 definitely doesn't exactly work for a branch end vault 16:18:35 makes me wonder if anyone has ever starved inside one of the old cerebov vault towers 16:18:57 Don't those still exist? 16:19:06 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19:28 !lg * br=Pan ktyp=starvation 16:19:28 1. Linksi the Conqueror (L27 MiFi), worshipper of The Shining One, starved to death in Pandemonium on 2013-05-31 13:54:07, with 909924 points after 96564 turns and 9:45:47. 16:19:30 !lg * br=Pan ktyp=starvation -log 16:19:31 1. Linksi, XL27 MiFi, T:96564: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Linksi/morgue-Linksi-20130531-135407.txt 16:19:35 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:19:46 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 16:19:55 MarvinPA: I thought the combination of deep water passage and moat was supposed to occasionally provide a unique challenge -- if you think it doesn't work, just change it 16:20:10 boo, just bad mutation tactics leading to long trip starvation 16:20:27 i like the deep water bits at the side, just not the moat blocking the entrance really 16:20:59 it was fun when you could drown all the elves. it does make that ending very easy though 16:22:12 the starting moat in said elf_hall_gauntlet_narrow (as opposed to the the shooting gallery) just isolates the deep elves to the vault and allows easy escape, so 16:22:56 MarvinPA: it's random, ofc 16:23:33 SUBST: l : lww, SHUFFLE: lww 16:25:49 ah, sorry 16:26:01 conducting a RLRadio interview on the side 16:26:15 were you looking for potential shout-outs 16:29:44 -!- ac13 has quit [Quit: ac13] 16:30:18 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 16:32:46 it still would be nice if that vault error bug got fixed one of these days 16:32:56 -!- Giavanni has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:35:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:36:54 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:08 Of course I get bugged right after I type about a bug 16:39:15 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:39:25 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 16:46:11 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:50:24 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:47 -!- buki has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:48 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:02:12 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:29 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:59 -!- Amilir has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:14:19 -!- nickajeglin has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:24:33 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 17:27:39 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:38:11 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:04 -!- monty__ has quit [Quit: monty__] 17:45:49 -!- mikee_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:56 -!- Taraiph is now known as Taradum 17:50:52 is the %git command documented anywhere? 17:51:11 ??git 17:51:11 git[1/2]: Readonly: git clone git://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl.git Read/Write: git@gitorious.org:crawl/crawl.git Web interface: http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git or http://gitorious.org/crawl/crawl 17:51:14 ??git[2] 17:51:15 git[2/2]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:git 17:51:18 guess not there 17:51:28 ??cheibriados 17:51:29 [1/11]: The Slow God! Gives piety for killing things faster than you, and slows you down as you gain piety. 17:51:33 ??bots 17:51:33 bots[1/2]: Bots that can be pm'd: announcement bots: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Sizzell (CSZO, %), Lantell (CLAN, $), Ruffell (RHF, #); others: Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! ?? and others) 17:52:24 monster spell list in description by Cedor 17:53:11 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:54:36 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:56:24 rchandra: see http://s-z.org/neil/git/ fro the repos, but I don't see any documentation 17:57:10 you can do %git^branch{/search_term} to query a specific branch, looking for commits matching search_term 17:57:28 -!- Egglet|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:57:48 sorry that's %git branch^{/search_term} 17:58:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 17:58:10 usually you'd want HEAD^{/search_term} 17:58:46 thanks 18:00:00 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 18:01:29 -!- syllogism has quit [] 18:01:38 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 18:05:21 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:21 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 18:05:21 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:46 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 18:17:20 -!- havsmonstret has quit [] 18:22:04 |amethyst: In case you didn't see, I made a patch for the evocable + confuse issue in mantis 7777 18:27:55 -!- Egglet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:31:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:37:58 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:39:38 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:51 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:44:31 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:48:17 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:48:19 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:51:30 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:53:36 -!- monty__ has quit [Quit: monty__] 18:58:13 -!- Egglet|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:59:04 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:29 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:01:41 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:02:16 -!- Egglet has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:06:05 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 19:07:13 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:15:45 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:03 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:29:10 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:30:18 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:43 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:38:30 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 19:45:54 -!- evilmike has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:49:58 -!- Taradum is now known as Taraiph 19:53:24 -!- Cedor has quit [Quit: Quitte] 19:53:48 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:56:39 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:39 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 19:56:39 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:05 -!- Sky__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:00:08 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Client Quit] 20:01:37 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:13 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:03:58 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:04:40 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:25 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:11:16 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:15:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:19:00 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all! :D] 20:19:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 20:19:57 -!- monty__ has quit [Quit: monty__] 20:23:33 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 20:23:34 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 20:23:34 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:10 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:28:16 -!- sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:28:23 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:40:56 so, uh, giving large rocks penetration brand and then lowering their amounts per stack means that stone giants and cyclops actually have almost no ammo 20:41:05 can we just revert this 20:41:29 -!- Taraiph has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:50:18 i never understood why they should be penetrating 20:51:04 "to buff cyclops / stone giants" is what the commit comment says 20:51:25 i think the point was so that you can't hide behind summons 20:51:38 the actual possibly good reason would've been to make them function more like frost/fire/titan by making them have bolt of giant rock 20:51:42 instead of giant rock shot 20:51:52 except as long as they rely on ammo they never really will 20:53:10 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:53:17 give them portal projectile 20:53:23 giant rock smite 20:53:32 fr rename large rocks to boulders 20:53:36 except giant rock smite could still miss, not very smitey 20:53:55 plus from what i've heard the main effect was buffing player ogres/trolls 20:54:02 /ants 20:54:22 yes I mean 20:54:34 for the most part you are the only thing a monster can be firing at 20:54:36 since like 95% of players are alone, and thus pentration is irrelevant to them 20:55:04 I did pick up a shield on an yred char to guard against bolt of giant rock, which is funny because that isn't/wasn't supposed to work 20:56:15 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:58 * SamB didn't know there was a bolt like that 20:58:44 * SamB would expect it to break the crossbow ;-P 20:58:51 fr bolt of bolts 20:59:03 fr prismatic bolt 20:59:23 there's the rainbow serpent gimmick, the ranged hits with all elements at once 21:01:09 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 21:01:27 steal time bolts from tome 21:02:34 Is tomb-style ossuary new? 21:02:45 id never encountered it before. so adorable 21:03:07 <|amethyst> There are several, actually; I don't think they're that new 21:03:17 ahok 21:03:18 they're some of the earliest ossuaries added 21:03:30 !lg * place=minitom 21:03:32 183. firemonkey the Stinger (L5 SpVM), worshipper of Vehumet, slain by a human zombie in Minitom on 2010-07-07 18:41:30, with 390 points after 3698 turns and 0:56:14. 21:03:56 what, minitom 21:04:02 i guess ossuaries and sewers are rare in general compared to volcanoes and whatever 21:04:20 <|amethyst> there was a bug until recently 21:04:35 <|amethyst> that made them much less frequent than intended 21:04:44 fix in trunk or .13? 21:04:53 <|amethyst> %git 8d2b60c 21:04:53 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-378-g8d2b60c: Fix portal vault chance tagging. 10(4 weeks ago, 7 files, 8+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8d2b60c04934 21:04:54 (sorry) 21:05:08 ty 21:05:16 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.13^{/chance tagging} 21:05:18 Could not find commit stone_soup-0.13^{/chance tagging} (git returned 128) 21:05:36 <|amethyst> Grunt: do you think that should go into 0.13? 21:10:23 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:28 -!- tkappleton has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:13:13 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:15:41 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:17:10 Grunt: please say yes 21:18:40 gammafunk: does winning a streak get me off the 'rubbish players' list? 21:18:49 !gamesby bh 21:18:49 bh has played 1440 games, between 2009-05-12 22:05:21 and 2013-11-24 00:18:13, won 8 (0.6%), high score 3071093, total score 19410961, total turns 6914438, play-time/day 0:20:16, total time 23d+8:20:36. 21:18:53 sorry, that winrate 21:19:10 gammafunk: some of those losses are botting 21:19:15 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:19:22 1learn awfulplayer_excuses 21:19:24 or just murdering low level characters 21:20:59 !lg * killer=raiju 21:21:00 5. acwest the Skirmisher (L1 FoAK), worshipper of Lugonu, slain by a raiju on Abyss:1 on 2013-11-22 21:05:35, with 0 points after 57 turns and 0:00:59. 21:21:04 !lg * killer=raiju xl>2 21:21:05 3. theclanless the Protected (L12 FoFi), worshipper of Zin, blasted by a raiju (living lightning) on Abyss:1 on 2013-11-21 19:52:15, with 11030 points after 9980 turns and 1:22:06. 21:21:11 !lg * killer=raiju xl>2 -tv 21:21:12 3. theclanless, XL12 FoFi, T:9980 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:21:55 still grumbling about missing mh_eldritch 21:22:14 tenofswords: implement it yourself? 21:22:16 |amethyst: that was a bug, so it should be fixed. 21:22:21 hm. That raiju was the least of his problems. 21:22:24 !lg * killer=raiju xl>2 -tv -2 21:22:25 2/3. minmay, XL10 MuEE, T:15056 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:22:36 !lg * killer=raiju xl>2 -tv -3 21:22:38 1/3. tsouns, XL17 MiIE, T:39017 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 21:22:40 eh, the other monsters weren't directly attacking during that chase 21:22:56 ...the plural of raiju is raiju :| 21:22:57 and I've got to repair a dozen things about the runelock first 21:23:48 why does he have a Fire status 21:23:49 and this one... He was trying to kite a bone dragon 21:23:58 smoke demon? 21:24:24 smoke demon (153) | Spd: 9 | HD: 7 | HP: 25-51 | AC/EV: 5/9 | Dam: 8, 5, 5 | 05demonic, 10doors, lev, !sil | Res: 06magic(56), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 389 | Sp: sticky flame range (3d4), steam ball (3d12), smiting (7-17) | Sz: small | Int: normal. 21:24:24 %??smoke demon 21:24:26 wasn't doing any damage but I didn't notice the ac/presumable cons 21:24:40 /presumable rF 21:26:14 none of those three looked like BS losses to me 21:36:09 -!- Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:37:40 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-1036-g6cac21b: Abyss: Up weight Raiju. Down weight Smoke demons. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6cac21b58b9f 21:38:32 bh is being weighed down by all his monster designs. 21:39:07 Grunt: yep. I'll dump smoke demons to get rid of the overloaded status 21:39:31 Grunt: Do you have an opinion on ditching either frances or frederick? 21:39:32 but what will cut into ynoxinul 21:39:33 heavy heavy hangs over thy head... 21:39:39 gammafunk: *shrug* 21:39:52 Frederick has struck me as kind of iconic, but not for any gameplay reasons. 21:40:04 Yeah, I do like the theme of both actually 21:40:22 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 21:40:31 Frederick has been around a lot longer, so he has perhaps achieved iconic status 21:40:33 theme is fine but she's almost popcorn when she appears 21:40:34 Well, Frances has needed reworking at least once... 21:40:41 %git HEAD^{/frederick} 21:40:43 Could not find commit HEAD^{/frederick} (git returned 128) 21:40:48 %git HEAD^{/Frederick} 21:40:48 07dpeg02 * 0.14-a0-549-gf5560fb: Exclude certain uniques from Swamp/Snake/Shoals/Spider ends. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 7+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f5560fb25bf0 21:40:53 %git HEAD^{/Frederick}^^{/Frederick} 21:40:54 07DracoOmega02 * 0.13-a0-1873-g3a57c8d: The great tengu migration 10(5 months ago, 3 files, 35+ 33-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3a57c8daa054 21:40:56 dang case-sensitivity 21:40:59 ...o_O? 21:41:03 %git HEAD^{/Frederick}^^{/Frederick}^^{/Frederick} 21:41:03 07MarvinPA02 * 0.13-a0-1593-g8f7d80f: Let Jory spawn as a normal unique 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8f7d80ff4c74 21:41:08 heh 21:41:14 I love how Frederick is a benchmark for unique depths. 21:41:28 Like I said, iconic, but not for any gameplay reasons. 21:41:39 %git HEAD^{/Frederick}^^{/Frederick}^^{/Frederick}^^{/Frederick} 21:41:40 07elliptic02 * 0.12-a0-2790-g54a08ec: Revert "New description for Frederick from transifex (mikee)." 10(8 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=54a08ec87901 21:41:58 ...he even has people protective of his current status! <_< 21:41:59 man, wish there was a better syntax for finding previous hits 21:42:00 tenofswords: invent another monster 21:42:01 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 21:42:16 oh yeah, I remember that description 21:42:20 gammafunk: basically I use git log if I want to dig much deeper than this. 21:42:46 gammafunk: was there something specific you wanted to find? 21:42:58 Well, just when was freddie added 21:43:06 He's been around since ancient times. 21:43:10 He was once called Adolf. 21:44:10 yeah, I see that as the earlier commit abotu Adolf/Freddi; the name change 21:44:14 Removed for somewhat obvious reasons 21:45:18 ...hm 21:45:20 is removing a unique really necessary anyways? 21:45:25 %git 8b6aae3f 21:45:26 07due02 {doy} * 0.6.0-a2-7-g8b6aae3: Unique flavour enchancement, step three: Frances, speech, description. 10(3 years, 9 months ago, 3 files, 55+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8b6aae3ff255 21:45:34 %git 94e3e4b 21:45:34 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-869-g94e3e4b: Upgrade Frances' spell set 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 2 files, 13+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=94e3e4bdd612 21:45:49 I guess Frances has been around forever too. 21:47:10 'forever' 21:47:19 ...since pre-DCSS times, bh. 21:47:31 really? with the same background story? 21:47:32 Grunt: is that the one with Littlefoot? 21:47:38 bh: huh? 21:47:44 gammafunk: see that first commit for the current background story. 21:47:57 Grunt: It's like Bambi with dinosaurs: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Land_Before_Time 21:48:09 ... 21:48:12 oh wow, first description was very minimal 21:48:39 Almost everything has a background that's been built up over a very long time. 21:48:45 I think Frances was originally male even 21:48:47 ...everything that has a background, I mean. 21:49:12 Original Trog: A pretty angry guy that hates magic 21:49:22 !send gammafunk Lugafu the Hairy 21:49:22 Sending Lugafu the Hairy to gammafunk. 21:49:23 gammafunk: huh. Sounds like Trog 21:49:55 not to be confused with Onion Trog? 21:50:05 git log --grep agrees 21:50:08 https://loom.shalott.org/learndb/lugafu/1 21:50:11 Original Oka: Nowadays Cerebov 21:50:25 (note that original Oka was a joke) 21:53:04 I like that hair_stats was spared by the top deleters team 21:54:03 ??top deleters 21:54:03 I don't have a page labeled top_deleters in my learndb. 21:54:08 ??hair stats 21:54:08 hair stats[1/1]: extremely bad hair <10, awful hair <30, poor hair <60, choko hair <90, normal hair <120, quite good hair<160, very nice hair<220, extreme hair<300, extraordinary hair <400, incredible hair <520, uncanny hair >=520 21:54:12 ??learndb police 21:54:13 I don't have a page labeled learndb_police in my learndb. 21:54:22 ??fun stasi 21:54:22 I don't have a page labeled fun_stasi in my learndb. 21:54:37 And what's this about removing Ice Storm 21:54:43 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:54:45 -!- mikee_ has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Now with extra fish!] 21:55:07 See the mantis report and the tavern thread about glaciate (sp?) 21:58:09 someone on the tavern thinks Dj makes bad casters. 21:58:26 1learn add famous_last_words someone on Tavern said 21:58:40 They're not the best casters in early game to be fair 21:59:11 ??famous last words[17 21:59:11 famous last words[17/27]: someone on tavern suggested 21:59:34 Grunt: Yes, someone on Tavern said Ice Storm should be removed 22:00:21 tavern storm: causes severe disorientation and loss of int 22:00:48 -!- tenofswords has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:01:33 Someone on tavern also said the Berserk Rage spell should be removed 22:01:34 -!- monty__ has quit [Quit: monty__] 22:01:39 And then it got removed 22:02:13 There was a berserk *spell*?? 22:02:28 bh, you've never heard people describe old Cr? 22:02:29 (before it became Sk) 22:02:31 yep 22:02:59 Grunt: huh. I don't know if I ever played one. 22:03:08 Rods seems really cool / brokenly good 22:03:16 ??crusader 22:03:17 crusader[1/1]: A background removed in 0.9. Started with a weapon and a spellbook containing berserker rage. 22:03:48 Gargoyles started with an idea WalkerBoh had on the tavern 22:03:53 MfCr was one of the all-time classic combos, right up there with MuSu, MDFi, and SpEn 22:04:08 So did Dwants I believe 22:04:37 MfSu is such a good combo. 22:04:40 Underappreciated 22:04:43 !apt mf 22:04:43 Mf: Fighting: 1, Short: 2, Long: 1, Axes: -2, Maces: -2, Polearms: 4!, Staves: -2, Slings: -2, Bows: -2, Xbows: -2, Throw: 0, Armour: -3*, Dodge: 3, Stealth: 2, Shields: 0, UC: 1!, Splcast: -1, Conj: -2, Hexes: 0, Charms: 1, Summ: 0, Nec: -2, Tloc: -2, Tmut: 3!, Fire: -3*, Ice: 1, Air: -2, Earth: -2, Poison: 1, Inv: 1, Evo: 1, Exp: 0, HP: 0, MP: 0 22:05:00 !lg * won mfsu 22:05:00 11. Scotch the Conqueror (L27 MfSu), worshipper of Trog, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-10-21 22:23:17, with 1490995 points after 88327 turns and 5:20:29. 22:05:03 !lg * mfsu won s=sk 22:05:04 11 games for * (mfsu won): 4x Fighting, 2x Dodging, 2x Summonings, Invocations, Polearms, Unarmed Combat 22:05:13 !lg * won musu 22:05:14 75. bmfx the Convoker (L22 MuSu), worshipper of Sif Muna, escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-10-17 23:44:46, with 1261374 points after 99596 turns and 11:34:51. 22:05:21 !lg * won musu s=sk 22:05:22 75 games for * (won musu): 64x Summonings, 5x Spellcasting, Staves, Maces & Flails, Earth Magic, Necromancy, Air Magic, Fighting 22:05:44 Polearms is where it's at 22:05:50 MuSu used to be amazing 22:06:11 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:06:25 Which was amazing itself because Mu was at the time the worst race (these days I think Fo is worse, but it's close) 22:08:38 !apt mu 22:08:38 Mu: Fighting: 0, Short: -2, Long: -2, Axes: -2, Maces: -2, Polearms: -2, Staves: -2, Slings: -2, Bows: -2, Xbows: -2, Throw: -2*, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: -1, Shields: -2, UC: -2*, Splcast: -1, Conj: -2, Hexes: -1, Charms: -2, Summ: -2, Nec: 0, Tloc: -2, Tmut: -2, Fire: -2, Ice: -2, Air: -2, Earth: -2, Poison: -2, Inv: -1*, Evo: -1, Exp: -1, HP: 0, MP: 0 22:08:39 !apt dj 22:08:40 Dj: Fighting: -1, Short: -2, Long: 0, Axes: -1, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: 0, Throw: -1, Armour: 1, Dodge: -1, Stealth: -1, Shields: 0, UC: -1, Splcast: 1, Conj: 1, Hexes: 2, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: -2, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 3!, Ice: -3, Air: 2, Earth: -3*, Poison: -1, Inv: -1*, Evo: 2, Exp: -1, HP: -1, MP: 0 22:09:09 !apt exp 22:09:09 Exp: Fo: 2!, Ha: 1, Hu: 1, Ko: 1, Op: 0, Gh: 0, HO: 0, Mf: 0, Gr: 0, Gr: , Te: 0, Na: 0, Og: 0, Mu: -1, Mi: -1, Ds: -1, Sp: -1, Dj: -1, : -1, Vp: -1, HE: -1, DE: -1, LO: -1, DD: -1, Ce: -1, Tr: -1, Fe: -1, Dg: -2* 22:09:13 -!- Thurston has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:09:29 !apt hp 22:09:30 HP: Tr: 3!, Og: 3!, DD: 2, Na: 2, Mi: 1, : 1, Gh: 1, HO: 1, Dg: 1, LO: 1, Ce: 1, Mu: 0, Ds: 0, Hu: 0, Vp: 0, Mf: 0, Gr: , Ha: -1, Op: -1, Dj: -1, HE: -1, Ko: -2, Gr: -2, Te: -2, DE: -2, Fo: -2, Sp: -3, Fe: -4* 22:09:33 -!- Thurston has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:36 -!- Thurston has left ##crawl-dev 22:09:37 Formicids are like gargoyles. 22:09:38 If you gave Mu a -2 exp apt, I'd still think they were broken. 22:09:43 Except without the "really fucking good" part. 22:09:44 Thing is that MuSu had Sif Muna channeling with no drawbacks 22:10:02 No food cost, no contam, nothing 22:10:21 Back before hte summon limit, this was stupid 22:11:21 Here's my thought for Dj: All apts at zero, except spellcasting and experience at -1, remove all the resists, give it a food clock, remove hover. 22:11:22 BH: The Mu winrate is not high at all 22:11:35 gammafunk: er. I meant Dj. Sorry 22:11:57 Dj winrate is even lower 22:12:07 wait, really? 22:12:10 bh: ...what's left besides Essence? 22:12:10 Of course Dj did change recently 22:12:18 Grunt: exactly. 22:12:30 gammafunk: Yes, and it got nerfed in that change a lot 22:14:02 And Dj is the most popular in 0.14 games of all the new species 22:14:23 Because they're so out there I suppose 22:14:24 Only demonspawn is more played 22:14:36 !lg * cv>0.13 !boring s=race 22:14:38 61180 games for * (cv>0.13 !boring): 6470x Demonspawn, 5125x Djinni, 4625x Gargoyle, 3463x Minotaur, 3442x Deep Elf, 3244x Formicid, 3167x High Elf, 2349x Octopode, 2151x Spriggan, 2127x Draconian, 2123x Lava Orc, 2043x Troll, 2035x Vampire, 1887x Hill Orc, 1768x Tengu, 1708x Merfolk, 1672x Human, 1670x Kobold, 1660x Naga, 1511x Ogre, 1186x Felid, 1157x Mummy, 1154x Demigod, 770x Centaur, 745x Hal... 22:14:41 ... 22:14:55 !won dj 22:14:56 No games for dj. 22:14:59 !won * dj 22:14:59 * (dj) has won 91 times in 28390 games (0.32%): 26xDjBe 13xDjFE 10xDjFi 7xDjGl 4xDjAr 4xDjDK 3xDjCK 3xDjHe 3xDjWr 2xDjEn 2xDjIE 2xDjMo 2xDjNe 1xDjAK 1xDjAM 1xDjAs 1xDjCj 1xDjEE 1xDjSk 1xDjSu 1xDjTm 1xDjWn 1xDjWz 22:15:29 Yeah, I'm starting to wonder why dj is being nerfed so much 22:16:15 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:16:35 !won * gr 22:16:36 * (gr) has won 370 times in 28638 games (1.29%): 110xGrFi 65xGrBe 43xGrEE 39xGrMo 22xGrGl 9xGrAr 9xGrCK 7xGrSk 7xGrWn 6xGrEn 6xGrIE 5xGrAK 5xGrAs 5xGrCj 5xGrFE 4xGrAM 4xGrTm 3xGrHe 3xGrHu 3xGrWr 3xGrWz 2xGrAE 2xGrDK 1xGrNe 1xGrSu 1xGrVM 22:16:46 !won * mu 22:16:47 * (mu) has won 473 times in 138833 games (0.34%): 76xMuWz 75xMuSu 39xMuNe 33xMuIE 28xMuBe 25xMuCj 23xMuFE 20xMuCK 20xMuFi 11xMuGl 10xMuAr 10xMuMo 10xMuWn 8xMuAK 8xMuAM 8xMuDK 8xMuEE 8xMuEn 8xMuVM 7xMuAE 7xMuHu 6xMuWr 5xMuAs 5xMuSk 5xMuSt 2xMuCr 2xMuRe 2xMuTh 2xMuTm 1xMuJr 1xMuPr 22:16:53 !won * mi 22:16:55 * (mi) has won 1410 times in 156410 games (0.90%): 461xMiFi 399xMiBe 142xMiGl 65xMiMo 47xMiDK 39xMiHu 27xMiWn 26xMiCK 26xMiPr 17xMiPa 14xMiAM 13xMiAs 11xMiAr 10xMiHe 10xMiWr 9xMiCj 9xMiNe 9xMiSt 8xMiAE 8xMiAK 8xMiTm 7xMiSk 7xMiSu 6xMiIE 6xMiWz 5xMiEE 5xMiVM 4xMiEn 4xMiFE 3xMiCr 2xMiJr 2xMiRe 1xMiTh 22:17:06 !won * mf 22:17:08 * (mf) has won 744 times in 106028 games (0.70%): 122xMfGl 113xMfCr 102xMfIE 53xMfBe 42xMfTm 31xMfDK 30xMfSk 28xMfAK 20xMfCK 16xMfVM 15xMfWr 13xMfAr 11xMfAs 11xMfHu 11xMfSu 11xMfTh 11xMfWz 10xMfFi 10xMfMo 9xMfNe 8xMfEE 8xMfSt 7xMfFE 7xMfHe 7xMfWn 6xMfCj 6xMfEn 6xMfPr 6xMfRe 5xMfAE 5xMfPa 4xMfAM 22:17:09 !won * th 22:17:13 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:17:14 * (th) has won 47 times in 16990 games (0.28%): 11xMfTh 4xSpTh 3xGnTh 3xMDTh 2xHaTh 2xHuTh 2xKoTh 2xMuTh 1xCeTh 1xDDTh 1xDETh 1xDgTh 1xDrTh 1xDsTh 1xGETh 1xGhTh 1xHDTh 1xHETh 1xHOTh 1xKeTh 1xMiTh 1xNaTh 1xOgTh 1xSETh 1xTrTh 1xVpTh 22:17:22 ??Th 22:17:23 thief[1/2]: An assassin who accidentally left his blowgun at home, but at least was smart enough to bring a hand crossbow.(except not anymore because hand crossbows were removed!) 22:17:26 !lg * s=species / won 22:17:26 !lg * gnth 22:17:31 15187/2730405 games for *: 1410/156410x Minotaur [0.90%], 1095/295689x Demonspawn [0.37%], 876/149990x Spriggan [0.58%], 839/117589x Hill Orc [0.71%], 779/284634x Deep Elf [0.27%], 744/106028x Merfolk [0.70%], 692/49830x Deep Dwarf [1.39%], 658/146680x High Elf [0.45%], 542/97275x Mountain Dwarf [0.56%], 539/83615x Naga [0.64%], 522/99308x Kobold [0.53%], 505/75058x Troll [0.67%], 485/66826x Ogre ... 22:17:31 184. jeykey the Sneak (L1 GnTh), quit the game on D:1 on 2009-06-09 18:12:51, with 119 points after 0 turns and 0:00:15. 22:17:41 !lg * s=species / won !boring 22:17:45 15187/2730405 games for *: 1410/156410x Minotaur [0.90%], 1095/295689x Demonspawn [0.37%], 876/149990x Spriggan [0.58%], 839/117589x Hill Orc [0.71%], 779/284634x Deep Elf [0.27%], 744/106028x Merfolk [0.70%], 692/49830x Deep Dwarf [1.39%], 658/146680x High Elf [0.45%], 542/97275x Mountain Dwarf [0.56%], 539/83615x Naga [0.64%], 522/99308x Kobold [0.53%], 505/75058x Troll [0.67%], 485/66826x Ogre ... 22:18:03 !lg * s=species !boring / won 22:18:03 !lg * cv>0.13 s=species / won !boring 22:18:09 452/69647 games for * (cv>0.13): 54/5091x Gargoyle [1.06%], 49/7937x Demonspawn [0.62%], 27/3759x Minotaur [0.72%], 26/2594x Lava Orc [1.00%], 22/1642x Ogre [1.34%], 21/877x Centaur [2.39%], 18/1777x Naga [1.01%], 17/3616x Formicid [0.47%], 16/2187x Troll [0.73%], 15/3785x Deep Elf [0.40%], 15/6476x Djinni [0.23%], 15/827x Deep Dwarf [1.81%], 14/2216x Hill Orc [0.63%], 14/3569x High Elf [0.39%], 1... 22:18:09 15187/2207522 games for * (!boring): 1410/140035x Minotaur [1.01%], 1095/238802x Demonspawn [0.46%], 876/127516x Spriggan [0.69%], 839/93474x Hill Orc [0.90%], 779/163760x Deep Elf [0.48%], 744/86532x Merfolk [0.86%], 692/40300x Deep Dwarf [1.72%], 658/117585x High Elf [0.56%], 542/77718x Mountain Dwarf [0.70%], 539/74792x Naga [0.72%], 522/88825x Kobold [0.59%], 505/65597x Troll [0.77%], 485/5825... 22:18:26 !lg * cv>0.13 s=species !boring / won o=% 22:18:28 452/61183 games for * (cv>0.13 !boring): 4/89x Red Draconian [4.49%], 2/73x White Draconian [2.74%], 21/770x Centaur [2.73%], 2/83x Green Draconian [2.41%], 15/692x Deep Dwarf [2.17%], 2/93x Yellow Draconian [2.15%], 1/67x Black Draconian [1.49%], 11/745x Halfling [1.48%], 22/1511x Ogre [1.46%], 1/75x Purple Draconian [1.33%], 26/2123x Lava Orc [1.22%], 1/84x Grey Draconian [1.19%], 54/4625x Gargo... 22:18:33 !lg * cv>0.13 s=crace !boring / won o=% 22:18:35 452/61183 games for * (cv>0.13 !boring): 21/770x Centaur [2.73%], 15/692x Deep Dwarf [2.17%], 11/745x Halfling [1.48%], 22/1511x Ogre [1.46%], 26/2123x Lava Orc [1.22%], 54/4625x Gargoyle [1.17%], 6/522x Ghoul [1.15%], 18/1660x Naga [1.08%], 16/2043x Troll [0.78%], 9/1154x Demigod [0.78%], 27/3463x Minotaur [0.78%], 9/1157x Mummy [0.78%], 49/6470x Demonspawn [0.76%], 14/1888x Hill Orc [0.74%], 12/... 22:18:42 Ce/DD OP 22:18:47 well duh 22:18:50 timbeeerrr 22:18:50 452/69647 games for * (cv>0.13): 54/5091x Gargoyle [1.06%], 49/7937x Demonspawn [0.62%], 27/3759x Minotaur [0.72%], 26/2594x Lava Orc [1.00%], 22/1642x Ogre [1.34%], 21/877x Centaur [2.39%], 18/1777x Naga [1.01%], 17/3616x Formicid [0.47%], 16/2187x Troll [0.73%], 15/3785x Deep Elf [0.40%], 15/6476x Djinni [0.23%], 15/827x Deep Dwarf [1.81%], 14/2216x Hill Orc [0.63%], 14/3569x High Elf 22:18:51 [0.39%], 22:18:51 13/2483x Octopode [0.52%], 12/2312x Spriggan [0.52%], 12/1836x Merfolk [0.65%], 11/2002x Tengu [0.55%], 11/1953x Human [0.56%], 11/822x Halfling [1.34%], 9/1316x Mummy [0.68%], 9/1501x Demigod [0.60%], 8/2157x Vampire [0.37%], 7/1783x Kobold [0.39%], 7/1394x Felid [0.50%], 6/598x Ghoul [1.00%], 4/93x Red Draconian [4.30%], 2/84x Green Draconian [2.38%], 2/97x Yellow Draconian [2.06%], 2/ 22:18:57 75x White 22:18:59 Draconian [2.67%], 1/85x Grey Draconian [1.18%], 1/69x Black Draconian [1.45%], 1/76x Purple Draconian [1.32%], 0/2397x Draconian [0.00%], 0/74x Pale Draconian [0.00%], 0/85x Mottled Draconian [0.00%], 0/2x Sludge Elf [0.00%] 22:19:03 (that's !lg * cv>0.13 s=species / won !boring) 22:19:17 omfg red draconian OP 22:19:20 i think nobody disagrees that those are the easiest species in the game 22:19:47 2 SE heh 22:20:11 fr: replace centaur with yaktaur species 22:20:14 Also dear god the Book of War Chants used to be busted 22:20:50 Back in .7 it had Flame and Freeze brands, Regeneration, Berserker Rage, Repel Missiles, and HASTE. 22:21:10 sounds fun 22:21:16 Bloaxzorro: of course the colored drac stats are all skewed 22:21:35 ??draconian 22:21:35 draconian[1/3]: As a player draconian, you are given a random colour you didn't want upon reaching level 7, usually granting a breath attack and a resistance (sometimes later), and revealing your aptitudes. See "?? draconian" for details -- red, white, green, yellow, grey, black, purple, mottled, pale. Enemy draconians are bad news and found mostly in Zot. 22:21:41 -!- orionstein_away is now known as orionstein 22:21:54 !lg * cv>0.13 s=species / won !boring xl>6 22:21:56 452/69648 games for * (cv>0.13): 54/5091x Gargoyle [1.06%], 49/7937x Demonspawn [0.62%], 27/3759x Minotaur [0.72%], 26/2594x Lava Orc [1.00%], 22/1642x Ogre [1.34%], 21/877x Centaur [2.39%], 18/1777x Naga [1.01%], 17/3616x Formicid [0.47%], 16/2187x Troll [0.73%], 15/3785x Deep Elf [0.40%], 15/6476x Djinni [0.23%], 15/827x Deep Dwarf [1.81%], 14/2216x Hill Orc [0.63%], 14/3569x High Elf [0.39%], 1... 22:22:38 (that didn't do anything) 22:23:13 because you didn't do o=% 22:23:20 right now it's just ordering by number played 22:23:27 right... 22:23:34 !lg * cv>0.13 s=species / won !boring xl>6 o=% 22:23:38 452/69649 games for * (cv>0.13): 4/93x Red Draconian [4.30%], 2/75x White Draconian [2.67%], 21/877x Centaur [2.39%], 2/84x Green Draconian [2.38%], 2/97x Yellow Draconian [2.06%], 15/827x Deep Dwarf [1.81%], 1/69x Black Draconian [1.45%], 22/1642x Ogre [1.34%], 11/822x Halfling [1.34%], 1/76x Purple Draconian [1.32%], 1/85x Grey Draconian [1.18%], 54/5091x Gargoyle [1.06%], 18/1777x Naga [1.01%],... 22:24:12 !lg greatplayers cv>0.13 s=species / won !boring xl>6 o=% 22:24:12 94/736 games for greatplayers (cv>0.13): 1/1x Red Draconian [100.00%], 4/5x Centaur [80.00%], 3/4x Halfling [75.00%], 5/9x Human [55.56%], 1/2x Black Draconian [50.00%], 2/5x Vampire [40.00%], 4/10x Minotaur [40.00%], 3/9x Merfolk [33.33%], 1/3x Deep Dwarf [33.33%], 4/17x Naga [23.53%], 17/75x Demonspawn [22.67%], 2/9x Hill Orc [22.22%], 3/17x Ghoul [17.65%], 1/6x Troll [16.67%], 6/36x High Elf [1... 22:24:25 ??awfulplayers 22:24:25 awfulplayers[1/2]: Membership in the awfulplayers list is strictly voluntary, but only open to those with over 1000 games and a win rate under 1%. 22:24:38 !lg awfulplayers cv>0.13 s=species / won !boring xl>6 o=% 22:24:38 18/1836 games for awfulplayers (cv>0.13): 1/12x Kobold [8.33%], 1/23x Halfling [4.35%], 1/29x Troll [3.45%], 1/31x Merfolk [3.23%], 1/32x Centaur [3.12%], 2/87x Lava Orc [2.30%], 1/45x Naga [2.22%], 1/64x Minotaur [1.56%], 1/65x Djinni [1.54%], 1/71x Ogre [1.41%], 1/76x Deep Elf [1.32%], 1/77x Tengu [1.30%], 1/98x Spriggan [1.02%], 2/289x Demonspawn [0.69%], 1/171x Formicid [0.58%], 1/227x Gargoyl... 22:24:53 ??awfulplayers[2 22:25:06 awfulplayers[2/2]: once a year, mantis requires that we feed it one awfulplayer 22:25:24 awfulplayers are better at fo than gr 22:25:25 I aspire to be simultaneously on awfulplayers and greatplayers. 22:26:21 !greatplayer bh 22:26:21 Unwon species for bh: Centaur, Deep Dwarf, Deep Elf, Demigod, Demonspawn, Draconian, Felid, Formicid, Ghoul, Halfling, Kobold, Lava Orc, Mummy, Naga, Octopode, Ogre, Tengu, Troll, Vampire 22:26:21 !greatplayer 22:26:21 !greaterplayer 22:26:28 ??awfulplayers 22:26:28 Unwon species for Grunt: Djinni, Felid, Formicid, Gargoyle, Ghoul, Lava Orc, Octopode 22:26:28 Unwon backgrounds for Grunt: Chaos Knight, Earth Elementalist, Ice Elementalist, Venom Mage, Wanderer, Warper 22:26:28 awfulplayers[1/2]: Membership in the awfulplayers list is strictly voluntary, but only open to those with over 1000 games and a win rate under 1%. 22:26:28 buppy, I feel like I was going to ask you something, but I can't remember what. 22:26:28 I just realized 22:26:56 It would theoretically be possible for someone to be a greaterplayer and an awfulplayer 22:26:58 ??greatesterplayer 22:26:58 I don't have a page labeled greatesterplayer in my learndb. 22:26:58 ??greatestplayer 22:26:58 greatestplayers[1/1]: Players who have won every currently available to play combo. Lifetime membership once you get in! 22:26:59 ??greatestplayer 22:26:59 greatestplayers[1/1]: Players who have won every currently available to play combo. Lifetime membership once you get in! 22:27:03 ??greaterestplayer 22:27:03 I don't have a page labeled greaterestplayer in my learndb. 22:27:03 ??greatesterplayer 22:27:03 I don't have a page labeled greatesterplayer in my learndb. 22:27:03 That sounds awful. 22:27:30 ??greaterestplayer 22:27:30 I don't have a page labeled greaterestplayer in my learndb. 22:27:38 Grunt: was it related to fo? unique? vault? 22:27:38 ??potion of wood 22:27:38 I don't have a page labeled potion_of_wood in my learndb. 22:28:16 It's lignification 22:28:16 ??greatestestplayer 22:28:16 I don't have a page labeled greatestestplayer in my learndb. 22:28:16 I thought there was one tier higher 22:28:16 I think it got removed by one of the learndb police 22:29:05 Are there any problematic backgrounds? 22:29:19 su 22:29:20 !lg * js 22:29:20 No keyword 'js' 22:29:46 buppy: because summons are overpowered? 22:29:49 jr? 22:30:33 !lg * jr 22:30:33 3300. ebarrett the Evocator (L27 MiJr), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2013-10-05 21:12:05, with 2621979 points after 99646 turns and 10:15:25. 22:30:51 wow. Someone stockpiled one for a long time 22:31:24 has there been a version bump yet? 22:32:40 -!- orionstein is now known as orionstein_away 22:33:07 bh: Wr? 22:33:27 ??Wr 22:33:27 warper[1/1]: A hybrid class focused around translocations. Starts with a choice of weapons, some darts (including a few darts of dispersal), skill in fighting, a scroll of blinking, and a {book of Spatial Translocations}. 22:33:29 Oh, I had an idea recently: make Portal Projectile a status so that it's less of an interface burden. 22:33:35 Grunt: because blink is powerful? 22:33:59 bh: problematic in the opposite direction: it's wimpy. 22:34:13 The solution is clear 22:34:28 let Portal Projectile work with Stone Arrow, Iron Shot, and LCS 22:34:55 uh. no 22:35:03 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:35:07 Lightli: lcs smite? 22:35:09 (I know it's a horrible idea) 22:36:19 yes 22:36:20 It is a horrible idea 22:36:26 portal projectile ice storm 22:37:23 Also of note is that Sk is kind of terrible now 22:37:31 Before the revamp they had a lower winrate than CK and Wn 22:38:39 Lightli: really? In my tiny sample size I found Sk to be easy 22:38:40 The revamp made them weaker 22:39:17 ...you've never used Spectral Weapon, have you. 22:40:02 too finnicky 22:40:38 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:20 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:41:27 Spectral weapon is *very* powerful 22:41:28 -!- mineral has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 22:42:32 fr: give scroll of branding to sk 22:43:51 We should allow fire brand to work over a branded weapon. Or remove it 22:44:05 What about the other branding spells then 22:44:11 Freezing brand, the one that gives pain, the one that gives I think distortion.. 22:44:48 bh: what about over artefacts? 22:44:52 Lightli: the same. Though pain and distortion should probably not be available as spells 22:44:57 buppy: why not? Are you worried about The Flaming Singing Sword? 22:46:03 the +27,+27 Sword of Power {vamp} 22:46:13 knife of accuracy {pain} 22:46:15 As long as you can't permanently fix a new branch to an artifact, I don't see a problem. 22:46:17 (what's knife of accuracy) 22:46:19 +27,+0? 22:46:25 ...you are missing the joke. 22:46:27 ??knife of accuracy 22:46:27 knife of accuracy[1/3]: +27,-1 thin dagger. Note that weapon to-hit enchantments don't affect stabbing. No longer generated as of 0.14. 22:46:35 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:43 the +16 +16 Mace of Variability (distortion) 22:48:39 fr: replacing the chaos brand on the Mace of Variability temporarily halts the variability of it 22:49:34 It's silly to force a player to lug around an unbranded weapon 22:51:01 If we're concerned that people will temp brand an awesome branded weapon, we could do something like halve the enchantments or otherwise suppress the item for the duration of branding. 22:51:20 halving enchantment sounds good 22:52:36 BH: Weren't you working on that? I imagine there would be numerous technical issues 22:52:56 I guess if the brand expired the moment the weapon was unwielded, it wouldn't be too bad 22:54:26 gammafunk: no, I wasn't. I suggested it and then realized the code was gross. 22:55:24 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:55:28 A very gross code comes into view 22:56:37 You cast Ray of Debugging. You are cast into the Abyss! 22:57:02 geekosaur: nice. 22:57:41 Today my status as Lugonu was confirmed. I went to the abyss involuntarily and very quickly found the rune lying on the floor. 22:58:26 When I get around to it, I'll implement the abyss clock to avoid pathologically long abyss trips. 22:59:27 Abyss clock? 23:00:26 Lightli: When you enter the abyss generate a number of tiles you need to see before getting an exit. Once you see that many tiles, generate an exit the next time you see a new square 23:00:38 oh 23:01:16 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 23:02:56 -!- WoLF2385 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:03:56 BH knows the secret abyss code that unlocks easy mode 23:04:08 gammafunk: Don't tell them about the rune dance! 23:04:14 haha, rune dance 23:04:18 If you do, I'll hellban you! 23:05:24 Dance after acquirine a rune to exercise…no, I've said too much already 23:05:31 *acquiring 23:06:28 Easy mode? I thought it was just pushing eh at the character creation screen 23:06:38 bh: http://sprunge.us/SULM 23:06:53 -!- Stupendous has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:26 Grunt: want to halve the pluses rounded down? :) 23:07:30 Only sensible brands? Come on, longbows of pain can't be that unbalanced 23:07:36 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 23:07:36 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 23:07:36 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:00 Lightli: melee and ranged brands operate completely differently; you can't have a longbow of pain at all right now. 23:08:09 Grunt: I don't see checking for matching brands 23:08:10 What happens if you brand a vamp weapon and it expires? 23:08:17 Does it trigger the vamp wield effect? 23:08:23 Likewise with distort 23:08:26 (I kind of want to make a ranged weapon of distortion as an unrand, and that would require a lot of hackiness.) 23:08:42 gammafunk: hm, I don't think you get the wield/unwield effects on expiry. 23:08:57 Actually, I think you trigger the effect without a warning if you unwield the weapon while it's temp-branded? 23:09:18 * Grunt goes to check. 23:09:25 Yeah, I imagine there are a few corner cases 23:11:12 Oh, you actually avoid the effect altogether by branding the weapon and unwielding it. 23:11:15 That seems undesirable. 23:11:43 -!- jeffro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:12:19 We could make weapons into a class and then have a realBrand() method that we use in the unwield code 23:12:28 Grunt: hmm? 23:12:38 can you brand already-branded weapons? 23:12:41 Or just make distortion immune to being temp-branded 23:12:48 SamB: that's the idea with this, yes. 23:12:52 Just explain it as the distortion eating the brand 23:12:54 SamB: this is an implementation of bh's ideas 23:13:01 ah, new idea 23:13:07 this could use more thinking I guess then 23:13:14 WRT unwield effects 23:13:19 make temp-branding distortion act like permabranding it 23:13:21 I'm making a tweak right now. 23:13:37 What happens if you try to permabrand distortion 23:14:06 pretty sure it does an unwield effect 23:14:17 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:14:19 ??bh[2 23:14:19 bh[2/3]: Grunt also has bad ideas. 23:14:21 ??bh[1 23:14:21 bh[1/3]: When it comes to stupid ideas, I'm your man. 23:14:23 ??bh[3 23:14:24 bh[3/3]: we should clearly not be allowed to make monsters. 23:14:37 we aren't sure if that is actually necessary for permabranding 23:14:39 * bh high-fives Grunt. Grunt is devoured by the Abyss! 23:15:00 how hard is it to learn to temp-brand something? 23:15:03 Lightli: I don't see why distort should be available as a temp-brand 23:15:14 or pain for that matter. They're god-shtick brands 23:15:14 vs. getting strong enough to survive abyss? 23:15:42 bh: we're talking about applying another brand temporarily to a distort weapon 23:15:44 http://sprunge.us/KIKg 23:15:55 ^ fixes interaction with distortion/vampiric and warns properly. 23:16:04 and then unwielding it, thus bypassing the distort unwield 23:16:13 SamB: that version of the code does not have that problem. 23:16:31 Possibly the temporary rebrand should trigger a distortion effect too? 23:16:31 Grunt: this is nevertheless the problem which we were discussing! 23:17:10 Grunt: you need to change the descriptions of the brand spells, too 23:17:13 I just realized 23:17:31 Get a eudemon blade 23:17:40 Cast the spell that applys a pain brand 23:17:48 Behold, the least holy eudemon blade ever 23:18:00 are you suggesting some sort of ban? 23:18:10 Speaking of eudemon blades. 23:18:26 Isn't it possible to find one and make Kikubaaqudgha/Lucy brand it? 23:18:27 Bloaxzorro: your mask slipped 23:18:35 Yes 23:18:39 Bloaxzorro: Yes. 23:18:39 It turns it back into a demon blade 23:18:45 I thought that was.. that 23:18:49 lame as fuck 23:19:10 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:11 how about %?? for weapons 23:19:48 <|amethyst> %fsim 23:19:57 i thought oka wasnt supposed to gift anti-magic weapons? 23:19:59 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:07 we could write a program called "weapon" 23:20:25 or I guess it could be called "item" 23:20:52 Why is he not allowed to? 23:20:53 SamB: In my last game, I beat a Stone Giant to death with a wand 23:21:01 Any item is a weapon if you cast it right. 23:21:04 Lightli: trog has dibs 23:21:09 because it's supposed to be Trog exclusive? 23:21:27 I've seen a very few anti-magic weapons outside of Trog gifts 23:21:44 B - a +4,+0 anti-magic bardiche (weapon).Okawaru gifted it to you on level 6 of the Lair of Beasts. 23:21:44 it's trog's shtick, as a god, to gift those exclusively? 23:21:52 I have as well but there's always been a nearby Trog vault 23:21:54 that is, other GODS aren't supposed to do it? 23:22:12 thats what i thought... 23:22:15 or maybe they are allowed to do it but just don't do it often 23:22:17 dunno 23:22:40 that just makes trog worse 23:23:15 * SamB sometimes wonders why there's not some kind of "Trog gifted it to you in a vault on D:4" or something 23:23:57 it's in the : messages I think 23:24:12 although it would probably make sense to have that in the inventory detail 23:28:26 I meant when it's one of those things you find in a Trog vault 23:32:21 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:36:22 auto_drop_chunks = yes seems to get into some kind of infinite loop 23:38:20 i chopped up a hill giant, and all of his chunks couldn't fit in my pack at once 23:38:37 so my dude kept dropping some and picking up others until they rotted away 23:38:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 23:38:45 i know SoB, if that's important 23:42:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:43:54 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 23:48:48 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-1036-g6cac21b (34) 23:54:35 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:59:03 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:59:33 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]