00:00:33 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:00:38 As nice as auto_magic is, I wont use it until it's more configurable 00:00:48 Although, it might be a nice base for a magic using bot 00:01:42 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-943-g859395c (34) 00:02:42 Somefellow: I just macro f1/f2 etc to zyf, zjvf etc 00:02:45 -!- lazarenth__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:03:02 that way I can easily tab and magictab with different keys 00:03:20 zyf? 00:03:33 Atm I have 1,2,3,4 on za, zb, zc, zd 00:03:39 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:03:41 And * = za. 00:03:47 No * is zb. 00:03:51 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:53 "/" = za. 00:04:48 let us move this out of -dev before we get tackled 00:05:06 I'm sure they wont mind too much 00:05:13 * Grunt tackles Somefellow!!!! 00:05:29 * Somefellow explodes 00:06:02 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-942-gbd853f2 (34) 00:08:11 Quiet Ruffell, were mourning 00:08:16 we are* 00:08:44 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:09:19 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:10:19 it didn't sound like innapropriate discussion to me 00:10:33 presumably you were discussing how to make automagic better 00:16:42 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:17:23 -!- Ashyr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:27 -!- iasov has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:44 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23:38 how to configure your own spells to be better than automagic :) 00:24:30 so, &@ doesn't seem to allow 0 or negative numbers 00:25:04 rchandra: testing something? 00:25:14 !tell kilobyte I've updated the asterion branch at my repo: gitorious.org:crawl/crawl-gammafunk.git; Asterion's version of greater servant uses the cap system with a cap of 2, which seems to work well in play-testing. Mantis issue is 0007474. 00:25:15 gammafunk: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 00:25:34 Grunt: I also gave you naming credit in the commit, and I figured out what the S in SGrunt stands for 00:25:39 Grunt: if str is required to win. -3 is enough but perhaps -more is not 00:26:45 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:27:48 gammafunk: <3 00:28:23 also, if I &z dig the tile display doesn't update until I do something else 00:28:34 like walk into what looks like a wall but isn't 00:32:57 -!- Guest62734 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:29 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:34:26 Isn't there a way to refresh the tiles display? 00:35:00 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37:55 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:39:12 what do we think of: Rename missile ego "ice" to "frost" 00:39:32 Somefellow: yes, hitting say escape ("unknown command") does it 00:40:23 isn't it already dart of frost, sling bullet of frost? 00:41:00 or is this just the technical name being changed. 00:41:26 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:14 I just saw a player find a pearl dragon in the abyss. Does it draw from the holy monster sets? 00:47:38 I just checked min-pick-data.h, and it does seem that ophans and pearl dragons are in the list, so never mind 00:49:17 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:54:47 samb: a cursory examination suggests the pickup change can be done by removing 4 lines or altering 1 character. is a patch patch overkill? 00:54:52 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:20 I guess reminding myself how to make a patch has a chance of being useful in the future, if I remember it this time 00:56:28 hmm, it might also want updates to the option guide and the template init file? 00:57:21 changing default options is one of those things that people have strong opinions on so the difficult bit is not really the patch bit 00:57:22 ah fair enough. also msysgit has vanished from my stare menu somehow. windows fighting against the command prompts, I assume 01:05:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:07:27 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 01:07:52 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:09 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:27:12 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 01:36:08 -!- kait has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:27 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:43:15 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:49:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:53:20 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 01:58:30 -!- inde has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:06:44 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:08:57 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 02:13:25 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:13:35 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:14:08 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:16:16 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:17:03 is there an easy way to make crawl-tiles tell me its version in a way that I can copy/paste it? my compiled version of console doesn't run for some reason 02:20:12 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:21:01 rchandra: if you run from the command line, you can do crawl -version 02:21:13 thanks 02:23:23 gammafunk: actually, neither console nor tiles is outputting anything there, in cmd.exe or msysgit bash 02:24:35 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:24:50 rchandra: hrm, does crawl -help 02:24:55 give you any output? 02:25:15 yes, that makes a dialog box with many options listed 02:25:35 many options listed? 02:25:52 with crawl-tiles, that is. with crawl-console I still get nothing 02:26:14 it lists command line options like -dir and -help etc 02:26:19 what options does it list? Or are they empty? 02:26:53 -help, -name, -species, -background, -plain, ... 02:27:07 yeah those are the switches alright 02:27:13 perhaps you need windows-style options 02:28:22 I get that help window if I try weird things like --v or /help or /potato, too 02:29:06 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:29:42 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:29:48 Yeah, seems it's giving you the help output, just in a weird format 02:29:53 Ok, from msysgit 02:29:55 in bash 02:30:06 try ./crawl -version 2>&1 >version.txt 02:30:26 and see if it puts anything in the file version.txt 02:30:31 by running cat version.txt 02:31:12 nothing 02:31:16 alas 02:31:39 and cat is working, jsut tried that on a random file :) 02:31:51 yeah, it works for me on OS X of course 02:31:56 not sure what window's problem is 02:32:09 kilobyte or SamB might be able to help 02:32:15 perhaps you can message them 02:33:05 sure. I'll just enter the version number by hand for the original mantis I wanted, they can let me know if this is another bug or something on my end 02:33:15 oh 02:33:19 can you run the strings command? 02:33:31 it should just give a blank line 02:33:36 from msys git 02:33:49 it pauses, possibly looking for input, but yes 02:33:53 cool 02:33:55 you can do this 02:34:02 string ./crawl | grep 0.14 02:34:04 or grep 0.13 02:34:12 whichever version you have 02:34:15 er 02:34:17 strings ./crawl 02:34:25 sorry, needs to be strings, not string 02:34:42 so the command is: strings ./crawl | grep 0.14 02:34:49 heh good one, that does work :) 02:34:54 Our Windows code does do some strange things, but I didn't think it did anything THAT strange ... 02:34:58 not a pretty way, but it works 02:35:33 for reference, which version of Windows is this? 02:35:35 SamB: does crawl -version work for you in tiles? 02:35:40 win7, x64 02:35:42 Yeah, that dialogue popup is weird 02:35:56 not to mention clobbering terminal output 02:36:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:38:37 gammafunk: ".\crawl.exe -version" does not work, but ".\crawl.exe -version | cat" works fine here 02:38:43 er. 02:38:44 and rchandra 02:39:41 how odd 02:40:00 stdout not getting written to terminal? 02:41:00 it's actually perfectly normal for GUI apps on Windows :-( 02:41:12 well it's odd that it works for you and not for me 02:41:44 yes, that part is odd 02:41:49 I'm on XP btw 02:42:36 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:43:28 I also wonder why I can't run the console version anymore after compiling it. I don't think I have the skills to try a binary search to figure out when that changed, as I have run it in the past. 02:44:19 you mean you don't get along with "git bisect"? 02:44:30 rchandra: Does it crash? 02:44:40 gammafunk: it hangs 02:45:00 &@ converts nonpositive numbers to 1 by rchandra 02:45:12 SamB: all I know of using git are the commands described in the getting started guide, which is like the setup plus pull 02:45:21 Do windows users run crawl from msys to use console version? 02:45:39 doesn't the download come with both? 02:45:58 there is a unified installed, if you don't want the installed you download both 02:46:02 *installer 02:48:04 anyway, I don't think I even have anything capable of running Windows 7, so I'm not going to be much help here. also I need to go to bed. 02:48:10 rchandra: If you're interested in trunk, can't you use the nightly builds? I'm not sure if you're testing a patch or what not 02:48:24 I see a regular windows build of trunk, which I assume is console 02:48:37 yeah, regular, tiles, and installer for windows in fact 02:49:17 gammafunk: my crawl play is online, I just use the git version when I need wizmode 02:49:31 or make a very simple patch 02:49:32 rchandra: http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/ 02:49:40 Those version have wizmode 02:49:52 not full debug builds 02:50:00 But yeah if you do want to patch things, that's no help 02:51:31 SamB: git bisect looks fairly straightforward, if I can find a good start point. thanks 02:52:53 hopefully it's not a case of some hidden state (like, broken Makefile rules ...) 02:54:35 -!- CeleryMa_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:55:43 %git rchandra 02:55:43 Could not find commit rchandra (git returned 128) 02:55:52 %git :/rchandra 02:55:53 07SamB02 * 0.13-a0-1590-g33f0eee: Stop on alarm traps/sentinel's mark (rchandra) 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=33f0eee90e27 02:59:57 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:00:00 -!- Waterpls has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:01:25 -!- Dr_Ke has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:02:58 first sanity check: to make a console version, the command is simply 'make', right? 03:03:45 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 03:03:46 that should indeed work, yes 03:06:36 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:17:11 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 03:18:47 hello boys 03:20:19 -!- conted_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:21:30 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:21:37 -!- SupermanBananaX has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:21:45 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:25:58 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 03:38:20 if one of the dev have 5 min, i'd like a sign 03:38:22 SamB: actually I tried reverting back to a version that should have been good (to the best of my memory - 0.13-a0-1619-g06244c5), and crawl console compiles but still does not run. so either it was farther back that it was good, or something strange has happened on this end, probably. compiling tiles now 03:39:12 Cedor: probably just ask your question to the world, or address the dev you want. 03:39:28 ok 03:39:39 I try to understand the crawl code 03:40:00 I just read MarvinPa's post about spell descritpion in monster description 03:40:06 I lurked the code 03:40:21 and I think he change need only 1 line of code 03:40:37 but I'm not really sure of my thoughts 03:40:48 so i'd like comment on my thoughts 03:40:51 that's all 03:40:59 (it's not specific to a dev) 03:41:07 (more to a nice person :p) 03:42:04 (for exemple, if you're free, I think you can help me :p) 03:42:07 I hope I'm a moderately nice person but have very very minimal knowledge both of c++ of crawl code, sorry 03:42:17 but go ahead :) 03:42:19 ok 03:42:32 the problem is the way ghost spell book is defined 03:43:00 for monsers spell books are define through mon-spell.h 03:43:12 but for ghost, there is a special case 03:43:25 aned he spell book is manually build in ghost.cc 03:43:36 (I talk about player ghost) 03:43:50 but, the structure is the same as other spellbooks 03:44:10 anf the rendering code in describe.cc 03:44:20 cancel the description of ghost spells 03:44:48 But I think whe can use the actual code to display correctly the ghost spells 03:46:10 well... I think I should try to make the change and try it 03:46:49 that would probably be easier than trying to prove it from the source, yes 03:46:57 good luck! 03:46:59 lol 03:47:08 the dificult part is my comp 03:47:12 it's so slow... 03:47:14 so old 03:48:46 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:48:57 -!- sd1989 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:50:25 and I think before I should find how to make patches :p 03:53:56 once you get git setup making a patch is pretty easy. I didn't follow how to properly integrate it if somebody else does work in the meantime, though :) 03:54:25 I'm looking it yes 03:57:11 -!- floatboth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:36 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:04:13 BUILD SUCCESSFUL (total time: 3m 7s) 04:04:24 (1 file modified yes...) 04:06:02 hum 04:06:17 must find the number of monsters now... 04:06:31 CXX dgn-delve.o make: *** No rule to make target `rng.h', needed by `dgn-height.o'. 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As j3.14159 seems to be gone, I guess someone should look into that code. 10:29:23 ok 10:29:35 IIRC the only reason for not merging was some fbdev stuff no one but j3.14159 really cares about 10:30:47 working fine "just" on X11 and Windows (and untested Mac) is good enough for me :) 10:31:29 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:33:24 -!- fungee has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:34:20 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:36:01 <|amethyst> kilobyte: re rP+++, the same thing happens with lich form 10:36:15 <|amethyst> kilobyte: but it makes more sense for lich form than an item 10:36:57 <|amethyst> kilobyte: (the idea being that you aren't affected by poison, but neither does your body metabolise the poison) 10:37:19 makes sense 10:37:19 it also happens with vitalization now 10:37:25 <|amethyst> kilobyte: probably could make rP+++ items remove poison 10:37:42 hmm right, not sure about vitalization 10:37:49 -!- pwnmonke_ has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 10:37:54 steps on Ely's toes too much 10:37:56 <|amethyst> I think vitalisation shouldn't remove poison because it's supposed to be purely preemptive 10:37:59 <|amethyst> exactly 10:38:16 does it need to be rP+++? wouldn't rP+ with the status prevention be enough? 10:38:21 for vitalization, that is 10:39:49 you mean, making rP++ and rP+++ have slightly different effect? 10:40:02 rP++ being enough for immunity 10:41:24 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:19 that's not exactly what I meant, but maybe it's a better idea 10:42:53 then what did you mean? 10:42:56 <|amethyst> or make the "poison doesn't tick down" effect depend specifically on holiness/artificiality, not on rP 10:44:12 kilobyte: vitalization might work with rP+ (not rP++) instead of rP+++ 10:44:32 <|amethyst> buppy: that's how it was until very recently 10:45:08 <|amethyst> wait, you'd know that, you were the one who changed it :) 10:45:16 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:45:19 -!- Quashie has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:47:41 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:50:12 -!- Ashyr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:25 -!- blabber has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:52:43 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:53:38 -!- myrmidette has quit [Client Quit] 10:58:58 -!- pwnmonke_ has quit [Client Quit] 11:04:56 -!- crate_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:06:37 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-943-g859395c (34) 11:13:09 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:15:42 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:19:41 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:26:38 hum strange 11:26:56 why do I need directx lib for crawl? 11:31:52 SDL is a wrapper for platform specific libs. on Windows that would be directx 11:32:02 rah :'( 11:32:34 the strange part is that it wasn't a pb when I compiled with mingw, but Visual fail on this... 11:32:55 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:48 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:23 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:44:21 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:06:28 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:14:14 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:15:40 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:21:04 -!- pwnmonke_ has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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14:11:30 Red poison after two adder bites on D:2 isn't anywhere near survivable. 14:12:06 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Excess Flood] 14:13:12 -!- pwnmonkey_ has quit [Client Quit] 14:13:27 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:47 !apt Hp 14:15:47 HP: Tr: 3!, Og: 3!, DD: 2, Na: 2, Mi: 1, : 1, Gh: 1, HO: 1, Dg: 1, LO: 1, Ce: 1, Mu: 0, Ds: 0, Hu: 0, Vp: 0, Mf: 0, Gr: , Ha: -1, Op: -1, Dj: -1, HE: -1, Ko: -2, Gr: -2, Te: -2, DE: -2, Fo: -2, Sp: -3, Fe: -4* 14:17:35 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:16 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:45 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:27:46 I don't need to recompile to test changes to monspeak.txt, do I? 14:28:30 you don't, yeah 14:28:49 <|amethyst> no, but the game builds an indexed version of the database at startup and uses that 14:28:53 won't be visible until you restart 14:28:54 -!- johlstei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:29:00 -!- Wolfram has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:29:07 <|amethyst> so if your timestamps are funny it might continue to use the old cache 14:29:10 no crash though, unlike what's possible with changing .des files under a running game :( 14:29:26 thanks. ##crawl suggested giving Donald a little Temple speech as an easter egg 14:29:49 the timestamps get compared for equality, so as long as you change them at all, all should be ok 14:30:04 <|amethyst> kilobyte: ah, nice 14:30:05 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:30:21 it was an issue with downgrading packaged copies 14:30:40 <|amethyst> actually, there's something more important than Temple 14:30:46 <|amethyst> Donald doesn't have any Depths lines 14:31:48 <|amethyst> (not that he spawns there, but he does spawn in V:1-4 so he'd be easy to lure 14:32:23 probably should wait until we're more sure what depths looks like (and other changes to dungeon structure) 14:32:42 <|amethyst> yeah, and I guess it's not that important anyway, since he's never had lines for D 14:33:43 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:35:07 heh, donald's no_god lines made me think he already had temple ones and I was most confused. 14:35:59 is there any random factor to the amount of time a timed portal lasts? 14:38:01 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-948-g2caff74: Update a Donald line: eyeballs are no longer edible. 10(60 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2caff74e944f 14:42:20 -!- inspector071 has quit [Quit: inspector071] 14:42:22 I can't seem to see this in the crawl git guide... how do I make a patch file from my commit? 14:43:10 -!- Cedor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:21 ah git format-patch. 14:44:33 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:46:04 -!- blabber has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:48:10 temple speech for Donald by rchandra 14:48:22 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:49:47 "You've already taken the rune from here, haven't you?", haha 14:50:51 hum 14:51:04 do you already have problems with los_base? 14:51:33 (VS fails on lots of files because he don't find the definition of this class) 14:51:43 sooo i think the game should tell you more explicitly how much longer a timed portal will last 14:54:16 <|amethyst> Cedor: those classes were reorganised recently, but los_base is in los_def.h (which does appear to be listed in the project), so it should be visible 14:54:37 yep I know, and that's why I don't understand the fail 14:55:04 that reorganization isn't complete yet, but every single commit should compile and work 14:55:13 kilobyte: You really have to wonder why he doesn't just team up with you. 14:55:16 perhaps it needs some kind of a clean build? 14:55:17 that's what I think yes 14:55:19 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:55:29 and he have lost rng.cc... 14:55:43 <|amethyst> rng.cc is gone 14:55:46 I fear i must rebase... 14:55:54 oh 14:56:14 the sln isn't up to datethen 14:57:19 then... 14:57:29 here come my last question for today 14:57:36 what do you use to debug? 14:58:16 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:58:55 <|amethyst> gdb 14:59:01 ... 14:59:06 I hate you :p 14:59:14 command line gdb? 14:59:18 <|amethyst> yeah 14:59:24 how can you see anything with it? 14:59:41 * Cedor need to see the structures 15:00:10 <|amethyst> print blah 15:00:32 <|amethyst> (though it doesn't always handle operator overloading well) 15:05:06 kilobyte: The summons cap worked for my Asterion monster btw. After all that, I'd be open to considering other non-summoning abilities, since I know these are not the most popular. At least it's not popcorn summons! 15:05:19 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:30 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:38 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:13 -!- ophanim has quit [Quit: ophanim] 15:09:23 -!- gnsh has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:09:51 ok... 15:09:55 just kill me 15:10:29 !abyss cedor 15:10:30 rchandra casts a spell. cedor is devoured by a tear in reality! 15:10:32 * kilobyte thinks it would be best if summons in general had an accident happen to them. 15:10:51 gammafunk: is the summon ability corruption 15:11:07 many thanks my dear 15:11:17 corruption is one semi-summoning ability that has no major issues 15:11:28 Bloaxor: He's not abyssed theme, but I kind of like the idea of a monster corrupting a level 15:11:33 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:35 today lesson : if you want to make some debug, don't forget the debug flag 15:11:42 !wtf dear 15:11:42 Deep Elf Artificer 15:11:50 Wasn't he a MiAK? 15:12:00 Just a Mi of makhleb 15:12:04 oh 15:12:06 with greater destruct, greater servant 15:12:11 old mick 15:12:15 heh, true 15:12:32 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12:33 fiends on a tough melee opponent sounds like hell 15:12:40 No fiends 15:12:51 just the greater servant list, mostly t-2, chance of exec 15:12:57 * Bloaxor dunks himself 15:12:58 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:59 the name being reused for something different skews old statistics quite badly 15:13:29 I had no intention of making a MiCK; i'm like 50% irish 15:13:31 (of Chaos Knights) 15:14:16 Cedor: GDB works a lot better on non-Windows 15:14:19 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:14:24 <|amethyst> gammafunk: is the other 50% from Finland? Because then... 15:14:25 IME 15:14:28 yep I know 15:14:38 |amethyst: MiCK and Kraut I'm afraid 15:14:45 but my current computer won't survive with a VM 15:14:51 <|amethyst> gammafunk: ah, good old Tom Hagan 15:15:09 <|amethyst> s/Hagan/Hagen/ 15:15:11 Cedor: I just thought it might explain how most of us can get anywhere with it 15:15:28 well, DDD is a great help too 15:15:45 <|amethyst> but no native windows ddd, just cygwin 15:15:47 It's kind of surprising that still works 15:15:49 * kilobyte thinks they already fixed that NPTL bug that prevented running wine via qemu on raspi :p 15:16:03 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 15:16:28 someone recently reported cygwin builds being broken, is that still the case? 15:16:40 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:18:18 if you mean me I assume it's something I'm doing wrong, though I wasn't in cygwin (msysgit). I can compile both, have tiles working but not console. 15:25:46 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 15:26:29 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:28:48 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:31:47 -!- Whales has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:44 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:44 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:29 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 15:38:44 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 15:41:57 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:33 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:46:54 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:47:15 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:47:44 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:49:06 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:49:18 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:49:57 I think a monster having corrupt level would generally benefit only the player 15:50:23 Unless we made most of the incoming monsters hostile 15:50:32 In which case it would be a nightmare of the player 15:50:37 *for the player 15:51:25 yes, a monster having a hostile version of corrupt sounds pretty grotesque 15:51:29 or would grant xp 15:51:50 I assume the incoming monsters would just be hostile summons 15:52:24 I guess you could make a version that had a reasonable percent of hostile Actual Monsters 15:52:26 how would you make sure it only used it once per level 15:52:41 I think that in general any monster should 1. grant xp, 2. not be infinitely farmable (as long as you don't move on, infinite Pan or Zigs are fine) 15:52:43 that shouldn't be hard to do 15:52:52 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:53:21 it seems to me that hostile corrupt would just be a test to see if you survived long enough for the tele to kick in 15:53:28 and had the patience to not come back for a couple hundred turns 15:53:37 Yeah, and likely the unique would get killed 15:53:41 by the neutral monsters 15:53:45 yeah, not the best idea 15:54:04 It could just be a like a "abyss recall" 15:54:09 just make a few hostile abyss monsters 15:54:13 that are actual monsters 15:54:15 -!- Giavanni has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:54:44 But it seems we're just making a monster band at that point 15:54:59 spammy summons are quite unpleasant 15:55:09 Well I could make asterion's cap 1 15:55:12 right now it's 2 15:55:21 Then he can hardly spam it 15:55:37 if it were a one-time ability to call in a modest number of abyss dudes it might work 15:55:55 i get worried about something like ilsuiw but calling starcursed masses which is about the worst idea ever 15:56:06 I think it'd just make more sense to give the monster a band 15:56:10 rather than using an ability 15:56:37 A monster with a band of abyssal monsters is fairly interesting as well 15:57:46 kilobyte: Do you think replacing Frances with Asterion or adding him outright in his current state is good, or should I look to make non-summons abilities? 15:59:07 been busy+distracted today, I haven't yet took a look, sorry 15:59:13 no worries 16:06:27 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:11:10 -!- Morg0th_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:13:43 -!- LexAckson has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:17:47 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 16:25:47 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:28:02 -!- inspector071 has quit [Quit: inspector071] 16:30:51 -!- Cedor has quit [Quit: Quitte] 16:33:46 -!- quazi has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:37:53 -!- lobf_ has quit [Quit: lobf_] 16:41:48 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:25 -!- lobf_ has quit [Client Quit] 16:50:09 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 16:50:48 -!- tholmes has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:57:42 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:00:45 -!- lobf_ has quit [Quit: lobf_] 17:04:00 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:07:32 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:11:25 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:14:30 !learn edit xom[8] s|(| or http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/ (| 17:14:31 Unmatched ( in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/( <-- HERE / at commands/learn/edit.pl line 63, <> line 1. 17:14:36 !learn edit xom[8] s|\(| or http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/ (| 17:14:36 xom[8/8]: http://oglaf.com/sithrak/ or http://oglaf.com/assorted-fruits/ (warning, SFW) 17:15:22 the latter apparently has some conducts, but they're xomly enough 17:16:00 "warning, sfw" ha 17:16:18 Zannick: this is oglaf we're talking about 17:16:22 yes, i know 17:18:07 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:18:13 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:18:23 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:18:30 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:18:35 hmm, how come they don't have an easy way to revisit that "I'm over 18" prompt; it was kind of amusing 17:19:22 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:22 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 17:19:22 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:19:22 if you don't get that prompt over and over, your cookie handling is broken 17:19:57 (IMO accepting permanent cookies except on whitelisted sites is broken) 17:19:57 -!- Whales has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:21:50 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:22:49 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:49 -!- jeffro has quit [Changing host] 17:22:49 -!- jeffro has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:56 I was sort of hoping they just showed it whenever you went to http://oglaf.com/ ... 17:23:33 that'd be quite annoying 17:24:02 but not any of the other pages 17:24:47 -!- lobf_ has quit [Quit: lobf_] 17:24:54 I think other pages go past the prompt too, at least what RSS points to does 17:25:00 having to click that through once a week probably means I should whitelist this cookie 17:25:13 -!- ldf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:28 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:31:33 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:57 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:34:26 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:34:51 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:16 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 17:35:38 -!- moxian has quit [Client Quit] 17:35:50 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:39:29 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 17:42:28 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:08 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:43:17 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:44:14 !tell ontoclasm Hey guess what! 17:44:15 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 17:44:24 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/tlether.png https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/tmoonlether.png 17:44:25 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 17:44:29 -!- Ashyr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:40 !tell ontoclasm SURPRISE TROLL (leather armor) 17:44:41 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 17:44:52 lether 17:45:05 Include version.txt in the package by moxian 17:45:08 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:48:55 Bloax: I'ts rich, corinthian troll leather 17:48:59 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:49:00 Don't settle for second-best 17:49:29 Only the best leathers are used from the enchanted hides. 17:49:48 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 17:51:32 Bloax: would you care to skin the best spider and fix art-data spamming about missing tiles for spiderman boots? 17:51:50 need both worn and in-inv tiles 17:52:10 "boots of the spider", they provide clingling and jump 17:52:32 clearly 17:52:47 this is going to be the heaviest looking boots in existence 17:53:10 they quite sucked in their first iteration 17:53:11 Bloax: Plz, be gentle 17:53:54 -!- hart has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:54:51 Bloax: For inspiration: http://everydayfunnyfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/funny-cool-pictures-14.jpg 17:55:03 <3 17:56:12 -!- monty__ has quit [Quit: monty__] 17:56:25 -!- Brokkr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:34 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:57:44 hard to find an idea that would make sense 17:58:26 It does work fine for theme, but I can't imagine them looking like the most fashionable boots 18:00:03 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:48 from a Tolkien-based MUD: check out the desc on http://sprunge.us/TIFF (Ariadne was a high-ranking dev). Obviously, this version didn't make it into the game. 18:09:16 heh 18:09:34 I guess in-game references to dev team members are verboten 18:10:29 well, we got "Plog" as the fallback when the name generator fails ten times 18:10:36 not exact enough, though 18:10:40 -!- lobf_ has quit [Quit: lobf_] 18:12:56 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Excess Flood] 18:13:17 !hs awizardirl mdfi 18:13:18 4. awizardirl the Dwarven Barricade (L27 MDFi), worshipper of Nemelex Xobeh, mangled by a Shadow Fiend (summoned by Plog) on D:19 on 2011-06-21 22:11:49, with 936131 points after 196801 turns and 21:11:36. 18:14:02 ??plog 18:14:03 plog[1/3]: When Crawl's name generator generates a name too short, it returns "Plog" instead of rerolling. That's why this name appears relatively often. 18:14:24 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:14:44 needed: a suck-up reference to formicids (current: mummy "velvet-covered", lich form "ivory-boned", felid "pillow-pawed", etc, etc, default "rosy-lipped") 18:15:15 I think ants don't have anything close to lips, and not reddish in any case 18:15:58 strong-limbed? 18:16:16 massive-mandibled 18:17:19 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/spiderbootsdowhateverspiderbootsdo.png 18:17:30 a bit uncolored at the moment 18:17:43 limbed sounds better, yet mandibled is more direct 18:17:45 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:19:47 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:21:58 -!- F-Glex is now known as G-Flex 18:23:12 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:23:26 was there a point when all gods had sacrifices? 18:23:40 I noticed there are sacrifice messages in the source for all gods, but only xom specifically says "(no sacrifices)" 18:23:50 mostly because formicid's big "thing" is the ability to wield 2h+shield and gsc 18:23:52 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:24:04 in very ancient crawl, yes 18:24:59 and a lot of the other messages never really appear 18:25:12 I could have sworn I've had the zero-piety message happen while getting piety gain though 18:25:17 for oka sacrifices or something 18:25:41 -!- Ashyr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:26:18 yes, the messages don't say you gained piety right at that moment 18:26:29 oh, piety gain is delayed? 18:26:41 <|amethyst> no 18:26:47 I'm confused then 18:26:53 <|amethyst> the probability of getting the message is the same as the probability of getting piety 18:26:57 <|amethyst> but they're independent 18:27:14 the code comments are wrong then, or at least misleading 18:27:25 // First message is if there's no piety gain; second is if piety gain is 18:27:26 // one; third is if piety gain is more than one. 18:27:28 -!- TwistedSage has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:27:38 IIRC that's been broughtup here before, the code doesn't match the comment 18:27:39 I don't remember the reason, but if a sacrifice has 25% chance for +1 piety, you'll get the 0-piety message 75% of the time, 1-piety 25%, no matter if you actually got it or not 18:27:54 that's kind of weird 18:28:01 why not just tie the message to the piety actually gained 18:28:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:28:11 <|amethyst> I think the idea was to prevent the player from knowing exactly how much piety they have 18:28:20 oh 18:29:16 for most gods, piety decay probably gives enough randomization that this isn't necessary 18:29:35 -!- Ashyr_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:30:10 <|amethyst> %git b69cef0 18:30:10 07kilobyte02 * 0.8.0-a0-165-gb69cef0: Smooth the remaining piety gains. Decouple the messages from actual piety gains. 10(3 years, 5 months ago, 4 files, 39+ 67-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b69cef0dc5e8 18:30:12 the reason I vaguely remember was that it was somehow tricky to pass whether piety was gained or not 18:30:57 or perhaps not, I simply don't remember :( 18:31:09 -!- Ashyr has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:31:11 doesn't seem to make sense 18:31:38 I remember the thing that |amethyst said 18:33:28 03rchandra02 {kilobyte} 07* 0.14-a0-949-gd5a4f9a: Temple speech for Donald 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 18+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d5a4f9aa199f 18:33:28 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-950-g1edd869: Use french spacing. 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1edd869b1448 18:33:28 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-951-g7baad9e: Add cases for formicids in Azarael and friendly imp speech. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=7baad9e5f7da 18:33:28 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-952-g9b3fada: Purge an unused tomb_raider desc. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b3fadae0910 18:33:45 -!- TwistedSage has quit [Client Quit] 18:33:49 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/spiderboots.png 18:33:50 ? 18:33:51 is that spacing really french 18:35:32 -!- tsohg has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:06 I built the latest trunk for Mac OS X (using Makefiles). Does anyone know if there's a script in the source for packaging it into an OS X app? Or should I use XCode? 18:36:10 yeah, some of us just call that "correct spacing" 18:36:12 <|amethyst> elliptic: "French spacing" is traditionally used to mean one space after a full stop (and other rules regarding spaces around other punctuation) 18:36:12 I see, historically it was french 18:36:13 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:36:40 <|amethyst> And double-spacing is "English spacing" but isn't very common in England or English any more 18:36:48 <|amethyst> "By the mid-1990s, the term French spacing was occasionally used in America in reference to double sentence spacing. An example of this apparent terminology reversal can be attributed to the University of Chicago Press in 1994.[16] By the mid-2000s this usage had been widely replicated on the Internet, for unclear reasons." 18:36:52 tsohg, there are make taargets for it 18:37:17 ah, I must have missed them 18:37:22 mac-app-console, mac-app-tiles 18:37:32 Makefile.app-bundle? 18:37:48 that is used by the targets I just named in the main Makefile 18:38:46 Ok, I see. Thanks :) 18:38:58 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:39:06 I think I tried those but I had messed up the source tree and the build failed, then I fixed the problem- but didn't go back and try again. Appreciate it. 18:40:03 !tell ontoclasm https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/n/crawl/spiderboots.png iunno 18:40:04 Bloax: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 18:40:14 Bloax: Looks nice. I know they have different angles, but the two boots still seem to have different shapes at the toes 18:40:31 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:40:32 The right boot looks more rounded 18:41:13 If only I could art good 18:41:29 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:47:36 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 18:48:28 -!- Bloax has quit [Quit: Error: Bloax not found] 18:49:10 -!- Ashyr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:49:57 Zannick: I for one was taught that only two spaces are correct, and having one is a serious typo. Met several people who were pedants about this, too. 18:50:18 also, http://xkcd.com/1285/ 18:52:30 yeah, i was taught stuff i later figured out was wrong, too 18:53:14 that was what they used to teach to typists 18:53:35 there are some heresies that are unforgivable, though. Like claiming that vi is an usable editor. Or claiming the same about emacs. 18:53:52 kilobyte: What editor do you use? 18:54:13 don't say cat + ^D 18:54:21 vi is pretty bad. luckily there's vim 18:54:32 gammafunk: jstar (I've been using Wordstar binding for 29 years, and never managed to switch) 18:54:33 adb -w # :p 18:56:01 you get used to features of a particular editor, and everything that lacks them seems to be good-for-nothing crap 18:57:02 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:47 another crash: undead monsters get dunked into water, go into the "walk on the bottom" mode then the water recedes, causing a crash 18:58:10 can you think of an excuse to either kill them or let them swim? 18:59:28 could perhaps give them an enchantment that would check for invalid placement when it expires (like the player flying above water on that square) 19:00:27 they should die. what makes them better than living but unbreathing stone? 19:00:49 either they should die or Gr should be able to walk on the bottom 19:02:53 yeah, would be less coding for me too, I'm just looking for explanations 19:03:30 "...water, that most corrosive of solvents..." 19:03:54 they go home to find a towel 19:03:55 it's mons_check_pool() when !mons->can_drown() 19:04:56 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 19:05:02 -!- bitsailo1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:05:26 other than swimmers, can_drown() returns false if the monster is unbreathing but its genus is neither mummy, ghoul nor vampire 19:06:10 -!- bitsailor is now known as Guest25468 19:06:51 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 19:09:20 -!- taraiph has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:16:54 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:25 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/] 19:21:34 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:29:06 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-953-g9e7f188: Add a ground/inv tile for boots of the spider (Bloax). 10(58 seconds ago, 2 files, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9e7f188a0050 19:31:51 -!- conted_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:43:39 !tell Bloaxor This guy could use a tile, if you're up to the challenge: http://sprunge.us/AWGQ 19:43:40 Grunt: OK, I'll let bloaxor know. 19:44:24 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:47:07 !lg * killer~~^j s=killer 19:47:08 22559 games for * (killer~~^j): 14465x Jessica, 4217x Joseph, 614x Josephine, 586x Jozef, 350x Jorgrun, 189x jejorda2's ghost, 163x Johan's ghost, 92x Jory, 73x johnnyzero's ghost, 62x Jaeger's ghost, 46x Jubu's ghost, 42x jenzors' ghost, 40x jackrogers' ghost, 38x jeykey's ghost, 34x Joehai's ghost, 34x jenius' ghost, 33x JohnAsti's ghost, 31x jeroen's ghost, 30x jeanjacques' ghost, 30x jeedimahs... 19:48:04 !lg * killer~~^j ckiller!=a_player_ghost s=killer 19:48:05 20406 games for * (killer~~^j ckiller!=a_player_ghost): 14465x Jessica, 4217x Joseph, 614x Josephine, 586x Jozef, 350x Jorgrun, 92x Jory, 13x jackal, 3x Joseph the brown ooze, 2x Johan's illusion, 2x Jessica, the green rat, 2x Jozef, the griffon, 2x Joseph the elf, 2x Jessica the human zombie, 2x jejorda2's illusion, 2x Joseph the red wasp, 2x Jessica the kobold, Jozef the ettin, Jessica, the warg... 19:48:14 !lg * ckiller~~^j s=ckiller 19:48:17 20377 games for * (ckiller~~^j): 14477x Jessica, 4235x Joseph, 615x Josephine, 594x Jozef, 350x Jorgrun, 92x Jory, 13x jackal, Jorge 19:48:20 (Jozef the ettin) 19:48:24 !lg * ckiller=Jorg 19:48:25 No games for * (ckiller=Jorg). 19:48:25 !lg * ckiller=Jorge 19:48:27 1. p3tri the Fighter (L13 HOPr), worshipper of Beogh, demolished by Jorge (a +0,+2 orcish halberd) on Vaults:2 on 2008-09-16 15:04:20, with 34044 points after 19926 turns and 3:07:21. 19:48:30 ...who? 19:48:37 !lg * ckiller=Jorge -tv 19:48:39 1. p3tri, XL13 HOPr, T:19926 requested for FooTV (telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org). 19:49:04 ...this is -dev, isn't it. 19:49:07 doh 19:49:49 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:50:24 Grunt: i was just pointing out that there are a lot of uniques that begin with J 19:50:38 !killratio ~^j . 19:50:40 No battles for ~^j and wheals. 19:50:58 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:51:16 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:51:49 -!- monty__ has quit [Quit: monty__] 19:52:02 * Grunt notes that most of those are Jo too <_< 19:52:21 even still, jormungandr is too good a name to cut 19:52:42 rename jorgrun to sgrunt 19:52:48 :| 19:52:53 !lg . sk~~earth won 19:52:54 No games for Grunt (sk~~earth won). 19:53:03 I'm not an earth mage!! 19:53:41 !lg sgrunt ee 19:53:41 16. SGrunt the Digger (L3 GrEE), slain by an adder on D:2 on 2013-06-09 18:39:33, with 126 points after 2477 turns and 0:03:52. 19:53:45 !lg sgrunt ee won 19:53:46 No games for sgrunt (ee won). 19:53:49 !hs . ee 19:53:49 18. SGrunt the Earth Mage (L15 SEEE), worshipper of Sif Muna, shot by a centaur (arrow) on D:12 on 2012-08-24 19:36:45, with 70645 points after 45337 turns and 2:43:15. 19:54:08 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:12 (I'm focusing more on polytheist right now <_<) 19:54:14 !polytheist . 19:54:14 Unwon gods for Grunt: Zin 19:57:04 the +9, +9 short sword of the Equator {elec, +Rage, +Fly, rF++, MR++, Str +2, Dex +4 } not bad on D5 19:57:16 tsohg, take that to ##crawl, not ##crawl-dev, please :) 19:57:24 oh shit 19:57:26 oh well. 19:57:33 wrong tab! lol 19:57:40 The normal reaction to that is doh 19:57:42 ??amethyst 19:57:42 amethyst[1/6]: <|amethyst> doh 19:58:40 -!- taraiph has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 20:00:23 -!- tbigye has quit [Client Quit] 20:02:25 -!- alefury has quit [] 20:02:52 -!- taraiph has quit [Client Quit] 20:04:35 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:05:31 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 20:05:59 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:08:10 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:13 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 20:10:45 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 20:11:35 -!- Ashyr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:27 -!- Zermako has quit [] 20:15:00 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:15:58 -!- Ashyr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:16:04 Grunt: depths is scary. 20:16:05 nice work. 20:18:28 fire elemental (05E) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 21-47 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 004(pure fire:9-14) | 11non-living, lev | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 12cold | XP: 196 | Sz: Big | Int: plant. 20:18:28 %??fire elemental 20:18:30 butterfly (13b) | Spd: 25 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-8 | AC/EV: 0/25 | fly | Res: 06magic(4) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: insect. 20:18:30 %??butterfly 20:18:42 ice beast (16I) | Spd: 10 (swim: 110%) | HD: 5 | HP: 18-37 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 512(cold:5-14) | amphibious | Res: 06magic(20), 12cold+++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 130 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 20:18:42 %??ice beast 20:21:15 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:21:57 -!- ark_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:22:47 New branch created: wood (1 commit) 20:22:48 03kilobyte02 07[wood] * 0.14-a0-954-gf40d9dc: Add 'potion of wood'. 10(4 minutes ago, 7 files, 24+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f40d9dc85920 20:23:54 uh 20:24:12 kilobyte: is that a joke? 20:24:29 badforms via potions 20:24:43 the name might not be the best... 20:25:17 kilobyte: potion of Sildenafil? 20:25:35 not exactly the best --- but I am not thinking of anything much better. (then again I'm only still up because it'll be 2 hours or so before my laundry is dry. apparently it was laundry day for half the motel today...) 20:26:06 tree form isn't that bad, it's just getting transformed when you don't want it what makes it so 20:27:41 good, more useless potions makes it harder for people to remove item-identification 20:28:45 "people" will keep looking for a way anyway... 20:30:29 it's just the first stab, but the aim is for it to be somewhat better than potions of berserk 20:31:06 GDR + good AC + damage bonus at the cost of not being able to move 20:31:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 20:31:23 i don't think "slow instead of haste" is very likely to be better than berserk 20:31:23 so far that sounds worse than haste + might + hp :) 20:31:26 mm, if you want to play with forms potions, maybe (a possibly limited) statue form might have been a better start 20:32:33 that slow thing isn't that fitting, it duplicates statue too much 20:33:09 i don't think "not hasted instead of haste" is very likely to be better than berserk either 20:33:30 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:34:20 you don't get screwed when it times out, though, and it lasts longer 20:34:29 useful for casters, too 20:34:41 you can move during berserk 20:35:06 a few squares 20:35:18 that's a few squares more than zero squares 20:35:38 yeah, but you choose when to drink 20:36:13 Any objection to removing Okie penance when your evoked elementals die? 20:36:26 I find *rage a bonus and not a drawback these days, and am actually unsure if clarity is a benefit with "bloodlust 20:37:11 his conduct is "penance when your allies die", why should elementals be an exception 20:37:17 or piety loss or whichever 20:37:48 Because they're unintelligent allies. 20:38:02 so are zombies 20:38:06 The conduct basically stops evokers from using the god. 20:38:20 What are we trying to accomplish with it? 20:38:20 "evokers" don't exist at the point where you're choosing a god 20:38:52 Are we trying to impose a limitation on Okie followers to provide gameplay balance, or is it pure flavor? 20:38:58 the piety hit isn't that large, is it? and often your elementals will time out anyway 20:40:56 1 + hd/2 20:45:17 If we want a challenge, I think it's more sensible to make Okie hate allies rather than have a tedious conduct. 20:47:40 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:47:57 why not require intelligent allies to trigger it? 20:48:40 Zannick: that's what I'm proposing 20:48:55 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:50:14 -!- Wahaha has quit [] 20:50:19 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:54:39 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:43 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:11:49 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:20:26 !lg * ckiller=raiju 21:20:27 1. Someone4956 the Skirmisher (L1 DjAK), worshipper of Lugonu, slain by a raiju on Abyss:1 on 2013-11-19 22:12:29, with 0 points after 108 turns and 0:00:24. 21:20:35 That's boring 21:22:14 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:20 to be fair 21:23:28 !lg * end>20131117 xl>1 br=Abyss 21:23:29 56. Freenator the Brawler (L14 TrBe), worshipper of Trog, slain by a scimitar of flaming on Abyss:1 on 2013-11-20 02:56:10, with 61530 points after 22900 turns and 4:10:38. 21:23:48 not exactly like there's been much time for people to assess it 21:23:57 That's an odd death 21:24:10 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:24:10 HoB abyss? 21:24:29 yet another good argument for "be specific in those branch grabs already" 21:24:42 kilobyte: are you still going to do that? 21:25:52 (dancing weapons also make 0.0232% of regular abyss spawns, for whatever that's worth) 21:26:46 electric golem (118) | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 119-150 | AC/EV: 5/20 | Dam: 1511(elec:15-21), 1511(elec:15-21), 15, 15 | 11non-living, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 3122 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d20) | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 21:26:46 %??electric golem spells:blinkbolt 21:26:57 ^ tenofswords -- what do you think of that? 21:28:09 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:28:41 am honestly uncertain about it, though I'd rather wait for people to make opinions on raiju (or for inevitable boltblink bugs to be caught) first 21:34:36 oh by the way 21:34:38 ??launcher damage 21:34:38 launcher damage[1/3]: Average damage = (B/2 + L/8 + A/16 + min((str - 10)*(2B+A)*C, (L+1)/4))*(1+skill/D)*(brand multiplier) + slaying/4 + A/2 + (L/2 if using xbow). Here A is the ammo enchantment, L is the launcher enchantment, and B, C, and D are constants depending on what type of launcher you are using (see [2]). 21:34:46 does anyone know how this changed with the removal of ammo enchantment? 21:35:03 ??ranged combat 21:35:03 ranged combat[1/4]: Nobody understands ranged combat. 21:35:13 isn't all ammo enchanted at +3 now? 21:35:16 well, whoever changed that code presumably knows what he did 21:35:32 ??ammo enchantment 21:35:32 I don't have a page labeled ammo_enchantment in my learndb. 21:35:38 ??enchantment 21:35:38 enchantment[1/2]: Enchantment on armour adds that number to your AC. Enchantment on a shield adds that number to your SH. Don't enchant shields. Positive/negative enchantment on a weapon adds/subtracts {random2}(enchantment+1) to/from your accuracy (first number) or damage (second number). 21:35:42 ??enchantment[2 21:35:42 enchantment[2/2]: Old spell school. In 0.8, was split into {charms} and {hexes}. 21:37:32 %git :/enchantment 21:37:32 07kilobyte02 {|amethyst} * 0.13.0-42-g70eb7eb: Fix an use-after-free crash. 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 40+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=70eb7eb146ee 21:37:40 well, I tried 21:37:52 %git :/ranged_damage 21:37:54 Could not find commit :/ranged_damage (git returned 128) 21:37:54 -!- raskol_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:37:54 also there's a typo in that commit description 21:37:59 %git :/ranged 21:38:00 07elliptic02 * 0.14-a0-879-gacfe1bc: Copy autofight monster prioritization code over to automagic. 10(4 days ago, 1 file, 24+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=acfe1bc02a30 21:38:00 %git :/launcher damage 21:38:02 Could not find commit :/launcher damage (git returned 128) 21:38:07 %git :/launcher 21:38:07 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-913-g6ff3556: Allow prepending command-line options for webtiles launchers. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 12+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ff3556b0082 21:38:07 %git :/launcher 21:38:07 07|amethyst02 * 0.14-a0-913-g6ff3556: Allow prepending command-line options for webtiles launchers. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 12+ 7-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6ff3556b0082 21:38:19 %git :/ammo 21:38:19 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-376-gd247091: Properly handle ranged unrands affecting their ammo. 10(4 weeks ago, 3 files, 58+ 53-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d24709164a15 21:38:23 %git :/ranged formula 21:38:24 Could not find commit :/ranged formula (git returned 128) 21:38:34 %git :/ammo enchantment 21:38:35 07galehar02 * 0.11-a0-1979-g1a05b2f: Use randomised rounding for skill based ammo enchantment. 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1a05b2f523d9 21:38:45 skill based ammo enchantment???? 21:39:01 monsters i think 21:39:06 oh 21:39:09 -!- tsohg has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:11 this is all throwing-related it seems 21:39:17 or maybe not 21:39:24 we must venture into the bowels of throw.cc 21:39:31 which is the shithouse of crawl code 21:40:06 I think it's bool throwit() 21:40:07 er 21:40:10 throw_it() 21:40:26 ammoHitBonus and ammoDamBonus 21:40:48 if it's a missile: ammoHitBonus = ammoDamBonus = std::min(3, you.skill_rdiv(sk) / 3); 21:41:19 unless this is, again, monster-specific 21:41:34 wait no, I assume "you" must be the player here? 21:42:00 !learn edit launcher_damage[1] s/ammo enchantment/min(3, skill\/3)/ 21:42:00 launcher damage[1/3]: Average damage = (B/2 + L/8 + A/16 + min((str - 10)*(2B+A)*C, (L+1)/4))*(1+skill/D)*(brand multiplier) + slaying/4 + A/2 + (L/2 if using xbow). Here A is the min(3, skill\/3), L is the launcher enchantment, and B, C, and D are constants depending on what type of launcher you are using (see [2]). 21:42:07 whoops 21:42:11 what's the _rdiv part 21:42:31 !learn edit launcher_damage[1] s|\/|/| 21:42:31 No change! 21:42:36 you fucked up 21:42:38 !learn edit launcher_damage[1] s|\\|| 21:42:38 No change! 21:42:49 !learn edit launcher_damage[1] s|\|| 21:42:50 No change because the regex failed to match. 21:43:25 !learn edit launcher_damage[1] s|\\/|/| 21:43:26 launcher damage[1/3]: Average damage = (B/2 + L/8 + A/16 + min((str - 10)*(2B+A)*C, (L+1)/4))*(1+skill/D)*(brand multiplier) + slaying/4 + A/2 + (L/2 if using xbow). Here A is the min(3, skill/3), L is the launcher enchantment, and B, C, and D are constants depending on what type of launcher you are using (see [2]). 21:43:35 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:43:40 !learn edit launcher_damage[1] s/the min/min 21:43:41 launcher damage[1/3]: Average damage = (B/2 + L/8 + A/16 + min((str - 10)*(2B+A)*C, (L+1)/4))*(1+skill/D)*(brand multiplier) + slaying/4 + A/2 + (L/2 if using xbow). Here A is min(3, skill/3), L is the launcher enchantment, and B, C, and D are constants depending on what type of launcher you are using (see [2]). 21:44:13 -!- tsohg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:44:38 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:42 so basically ammo enchantment now starts at 3 at zero skill and starts increasing at what, 6? 21:44:54 and caps at 9 at 27 skill 21:44:57 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:45:07 min, not max 21:45:10 so no 21:45:21 oh whoops 21:45:37 so it starts at zero and reaches 3 at 6 skill 21:45:43 at 9 skill 21:45:46 assuming you.skill_rdiv(sk) means the skill level 21:45:58 look don't sass me, I can't do things like "multiply" and "divide" on IRC 21:45:59 jeez 21:46:02 i can't find the function 21:46:10 !source skill_rdiv 21:46:12 Lines pasted to http://pastie.org/8494393 21:46:23 return div_rand_round(skill(sk, mult * 256), div * 256); 21:46:38 ok 21:46:48 i understand ranged combat less than ever before 21:46:52 not sure what div is 21:47:00 or what the 256 is there for 21:47:11 I give up 21:47:14 !source skill_rdiv(skill_type sk) 21:47:14 Couldn't understand (skill_type sk) 21:47:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:43 It gave you skill_rdiv already 21:47:55 what i don't get is that that function has three arguments but the one we saw had one 21:48:05 default args 21:48:07 most likely 21:48:21 yes, the defaults are only given in the prototype 21:48:25 have to look at the header to see those 21:48:40 oh, i was just looking at the cc file 21:48:42 ok 21:49:12 -!- CeleryMan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:49:39 -!- Ratgina has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:50:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:31 anyway without arguments it just returns your skill level for that skill, randomly rounded to an integer 21:50:53 so if your skill is 8.9, it returns 9 90% of the time and 8 10% of the time 21:51:04 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51:23 with arguments it does the same thing except that it is returning mult/div times your skill level, randomly rounded to an integer 21:54:12 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:13 DEPTH: D, Depths, Depths, Lair 21:57:32 people understand ranged less than melee. but would I be wrong in saying it's a better system? 21:57:56 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:58:20 grunttttttttttt 21:58:45 like "get a bunch of skill" then defenses then 27 skill, vs "get mindelay" then defences then mindelay for the best weapons. 21:59:30 -!- tenofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:59:39 -!- lazarenth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:00:22 -!- Rebthor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:38 rchandra: well, it's true that it has a better approach to delay 22:01:48 but aside from that it is weird and bad 22:09:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 22:11:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:15:20 -!- quazi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:21:24 <|amethyst> So, I think fire drakes may have been buffed inadvertantly in 0.13 22:21:33 <|amethyst> %git b2eacf266 22:21:33 07dolorous02 * 0.12-a0-2074-gb2eacf2: Properly give giant lizards and drakes their own genus. 10(10 months ago, 2 files, 37+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b2eacf26682b 22:22:01 <|amethyst> lindwurms too 22:22:41 By changing the genus to drake from dragon? 22:22:46 <|amethyst> see also mon-abil.cc lines 3761-3766 22:22:52 <|amethyst> if ((mons_genus(mons->type) == MONS_DRAGON 22:22:52 <|amethyst> || mons_genus(mons->type) == MONS_DRACONIAN) 22:22:52 <|amethyst> && mons->has_ench(ENCH_BREATH_WEAPON)) 22:22:52 <|amethyst> { 22:22:52 <|amethyst> break; 22:22:54 <|amethyst> } 22:23:05 -!- lobf_ has quit [Quit: lobf_] 22:23:09 <|amethyst> that's the thing that makes dragons and draconians respect the breath timeout 22:23:45 ah, and here i thought that drakes were supposed to be breathing all the time 22:23:58 this includes death drakes and possibly wind drakes 22:24:28 <|amethyst> wind drakes respect the timeout independently 22:27:40 <|amethyst> hm 22:27:57 <|amethyst> I guess death drakes probably changed too, because there's a similar check in mon-cast.cc 22:28:19 <|amethyst> (death drakes breathe miasma as a spell rather than a special ability) 22:28:28 there has been a bit of grumping about death drake miasma of late 22:28:47 geekosaur: there's been grumping about that for the last 4 years at least :P 22:28:56 yes, but more so of late 22:29:03 suggesting it had suddenly gotten worse 22:29:25 (for most of the last 4 years there was no breath timer, of course) 22:30:16 actually, I would expect much less complaining about miasma now that Gr is the popular new thing... 22:31:04 death drake (15l) | Spd: 13 | HD: 9 | HP: 56-99 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 12 | cold-blooded, fly, !sil | Res: 06magic(36), 03poison, 04rot | Chunks: 04rot | XP: 740 | Sp: miasma breath (3d9) | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 22:31:04 %??death drake 22:33:57 <|amethyst> hmm 22:34:28 <|amethyst> a difficulty with the fix is that wind drakes have non-breath spells 22:35:38 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:49 <|amethyst> so if we say "drakes can't cast spells while under breath timeout" they would lose airstrike after breathing 22:36:16 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:26 <|amethyst> ALSO, that currently happens with the Serpent of Hell: as far as I can tell, it can't cast its non-breath spells when under the breath timeout 22:36:35 that sort of problem affects other things anyway, like silence working on some "spells" but not others 22:36:43 unknown monster: "black draconian transmuter" 22:36:43 %??black draconian transmuter 22:36:50 unknown monster: "draconian transmuter" 22:36:50 %??draconian transmuter 22:36:53 wait that's not a monster 22:36:59 black draconian annihilator (12d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 71-90 | AC/EV: 8/10 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(85), 10elec++ | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1492 | Sp: b.lightning (3d21), b.lightning (3d21), crystal spear (3d35), blink, iron shot (3d29), poison arrow (3d23) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 22:36:59 %??black draconian annihilator 22:37:08 I give up 22:38:36 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:39:55 -!- Pinheadd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:41:40 -!- johlstei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:42:02 -!- buppy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:44:01 <|amethyst> w 22:44:03 <|amethyst> doh 22:44:37 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:48:28 anyone know what these comments are supposed to mean? 22:48:29 1751 // Note that branded missile damage goes through defender 22:48:29 1752 // resists. 22:49:05 <|amethyst> oh, I see, the SoH's other spells are still themed as either breathing or (in the case of refrig) roaring 22:49:05 |amethyst, elliptic: I'd like to make Okie not care if you lose unintelligent allies or alternatively make okie hate summons and raising corpses 22:49:42 bh: preferable if he's actually okay with demonic guardian after the change :P 22:49:49 <|amethyst> The first makes sense flavourwise; the second not so much 22:50:02 |amethyst: "Go at it alone, mortal!" 22:50:46 <|amethyst> hm 22:50:53 The restriction on evokes seems dumb. 22:51:38 <|amethyst> wait, so in case 2 you'd ban casting summon elementals but allow using evokers? 22:51:42 i'm yet to see any explanation on what's so special about evokers as opposed to necromancy, summoning spells, enslavement 22:52:29 -!- Gmork has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:52:30 |amethyst: no. I'd ban both in the second case 22:53:59 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:54:19 -!- Ashyr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:28 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:55:27 I'm happy with things being consistent as long as they don't seem obnoxious. If an item is likely to result in piety loss, we should mark it as such 22:57:03 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 23:03:43 -!- UseBees has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:42 <|amethyst> so the first solution doesn't solve the problem 23:08:01 <|amethyst> because there are other items that summon intelligent allies 23:08:20 <|amethyst> bottled efreet 23:09:13 <|amethyst> and that makes spells like shadow creatures kind of weird 23:11:11 <|amethyst> Though I do have to wonder what wars look like in the Crawl universe 23:11:42 <|amethyst> when the god of battle abandons both sides once there are casualties 23:11:55 <|amethyst> "No, I wanted a perfect win!" 23:12:15 okawaru, proud supporter of the first strike doctrine 23:13:11 <|amethyst> They kicked me out of church because my dog died 23:13:35 lol 23:14:24 summons, granting no XP, should clearly not count 23:14:52 (they either don't die, or never had souls) 23:16:06 <|amethyst> At the very least, the main description of okawaru should mention something about ally deaths 23:16:19 <|amethyst> I realise it's in ^! 23:16:33 <|amethyst> but the description itself just says: Furthermore, while fair fights are not required, harming one's 23:16:36 <|amethyst> allies will incur Okawaru's wrath. 23:16:40 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:17:19 |amethyst: again, I'm curious about the rationale. Is it there as a balance thing? 23:17:23 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:16 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 23:18:32 mind you, I don't know about the "ally death" thing as a whole 23:19:05 -!- Mesmerized has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:20:09 <|amethyst> bh: It's been around much longer than I have been involved with Crawl (and longer than DCSS), but I suspect it's a combination of balance (so the god isn't complete upside) and flavour 23:21:32 <|amethyst> it's supposed to be "don't let your allies die" rather than "don't have allies" 23:21:51 <|amethyst> however, it's kind of hard to do the former without the latter 23:21:53 allies are not smart enough 23:22:09 (for this to be practical) 23:22:17 <|amethyst> theoretically summon caps could help the situation for summons 23:22:30 <|amethyst> I don't know if anyone's actually tried that, though 23:23:06 what exactly happens when an ally dies with oka? 23:23:17 <|amethyst> SamB: you lose some piety 23:23:48 if it's too much, maybe make it less piety? 23:23:53 <|amethyst> piety_change = -level; where level is (1 + monsterHD/2) 23:24:53 <|amethyst> Zin has the same conduct for souled allies 23:25:24 who cares about zin 23:25:31 <|amethyst> and Ely for everyone, but less piety loss for big allies 23:25:46 ely gives you tools for this, though 23:25:48 <|amethyst> (Ely uses piety_change = -(level/2 + 1) 23:26:00 <|amethyst> Could give oka a "heal allies" ability 23:26:07 <|amethyst> but meh 23:29:56 personally I wouldn't shed any tears if we just removed the whole "ally deaths cost piety" thing from oka 23:30:28 me either 23:31:09 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:24 (and from zin too, for that matter) 23:35:23 -!- Gmork has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:39:29 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-953-g9e7f188 (34) 23:39:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:40:31 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:45:21 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:46:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:47:27 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:50:24 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:50:25 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:50 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 23:52:04 ok. I'll remove it 23:54:23 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:55:08 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:55:56 -!- BirdoPrey has quit [Quit: BirdoPrey] 23:56:29 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- \o/] 23:58:23 -!- Carvool has quit [Quit: leaving]