00:00:48 -!- kekekela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:01:13 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.13.0-39-g024a69c 00:01:38 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:58 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:07 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:13:19 -!- poopfist42 has quit [] 00:13:32 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13.0-39-g024a69c (34) 00:14:52 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 00:16:08 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:18 Did we recently make crawl significantly more difficult? 00:18:19 why do you ask? 00:18:19 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-914-gda6cdd5 (34) 00:18:23 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:18:28 do you have graphs or something? 00:18:43 nah, just clustering illusion 00:18:58 it would probably be interesting to have graphs ... 00:19:15 D:3 Orc Warrior, D:8 Gastronok, D:9 trolls 00:19:40 Grunt: did you do anything that would cause that? 00:20:03 i don't think there's any doubt that runelock/depths is harder than 0.13 00:20:35 yes but all of those things bh just mentioned were pre-runelock 00:21:35 ??experience 00:21:35 experience[1/2]: Crawl has two parallel experience systems. One, your character level. When your level goes up you get more spellcasting slots, health, magic, enchantment resistance, etc. Experience is automatically contributed to this upon each kill. You can see your progress to the next level in the status bar. 00:21:37 ??experienced 00:21:37 experienced[1/1]: Describes an experience level 7-10 player ghost. 00:21:50 D:9 troll particularly is not unusual 00:22:09 actually none of those things really are that out of the question 00:22:17 fighting them at that point, maybe. :P 00:27:07 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:17 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:29:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:26 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:27 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:36:00 -!- gnum has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:37:09 -!- CeleryMa_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:41:51 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:42:39 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:45:08 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:45:12 raiju (02h) | Spd: 13 | HD: 5 | HP: 18-37 | AC/EV: 4/15 | Dam: 1211(elec:5-6) | 05demonic, sense invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(20), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 151 | Sp: b.blin (2d13) | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:45:12 %??raiju 00:45:28 Why is it getting abbreviated as b.blin instead of 'bbolt'? 00:48:01 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:47 maybe it's being read as b.blink 00:51:25 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-915-gdd4b0fc: Give Raiju rElec+++ 10(38 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd4b0fc7511f 00:51:26 as in "bolt blinkbolt"? 00:51:38 possibly 00:52:09 ??%?? 00:52:13 ?? %?? 00:52:14 <|amethyst> "venom bolt" -> "b.venom" "blinkbolt" -> "b.blin" 00:52:19 unknown monster: "blinkbolt" 00:52:19 <|amethyst> %??blinkbolt 00:52:24 raiju (02h) | Spd: 13 | HD: 5 | HP: 18-37 | AC/EV: 4/15 | Dam: 1211(elec:5-6) | 05demonic, sense invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(20), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 151 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d13) | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:52:24 <|amethyst> %??raiju 00:52:33 orc wizard (06o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-21 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 35 | Sp: b.venom (3d8) | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 00:52:33 <|amethyst> %??orc wizard spells:venom_bolt 00:52:42 electric golem (118) | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 119-150 | AC/EV: 5/20 | Dam: 1511(elec:15-21), 1511(elec:15-21), 15, 15 | 11non-living, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 3122 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d20) | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 00:52:42 %??electric golem spells:blinkbolt 00:52:49 electric golem (118) | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 119-150 | AC/EV: 5/20 | Dam: 1511(elec:15-21), 1511(elec:15-21), 15, 15 | 11non-living, 10doors, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 3776 | Sp: b.lightning (3d20), blink | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 00:52:49 %??electric golem 00:53:25 Not a monster spell: 'thunderbolt' 00:53:25 <|amethyst> %??electric golem spells:thunderbolt 00:53:45 Unknown spell name: 'torment' in 'torment' 00:53:45 %??electric goelm spells:torment 00:53:45 <|amethyst> (previously, if that had been allowed, it would have been "b.thunde" 00:53:49 Unknown spell name: 'torment' in 'torment' 00:53:49 %??electric golem spells:torment 00:54:00 electric golem (118) | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 119-150 | AC/EV: 5/20 | Dam: 1511(elec:15-21), 1511(elec:15-21), 15, 15 | 11non-living, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 3531 | Sp: torment symbol | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 00:54:00 <|amethyst> %??electric golem spells:symbol_of_torment 00:54:01 electric golem (118) | Spd: 16 | HD: 15 | HP: 119-150 | AC/EV: 5/20 | Dam: 1511(elec:15-21), 1511(elec:15-21), 15, 15 | 11non-living, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy | XP: 3286 | Sp: agony | Sz: Large | Int: plant. 00:54:01 %??electric golem spells:agony 00:54:29 |amethyst: blinkbolt might be cool on electric golems 00:56:07 -!- Furril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:56:18 What's the criteria for when to backport fixes from e.g. trunk to the stable release? 00:57:43 what's broken and how badly? 00:59:48 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it should be relatively simple, tested, and for the most part either a bugfix, a trivial interface improvement, or similar 01:00:00 -!- Stelpa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:00:05 <|amethyst> and, of course, relevant to stable 01:00:14 |amethyst: Would the fix to shadow creatures in trunk (wrt monster bands) not meet that criteria? 01:00:22 I think not, but figured I'd ask 01:00:51 <|amethyst> %git 8ff3f95 01:00:51 07MarvinPA02 * 0.14-a0-332-g8ff3f95: Reduce Shadow Creatures summon cap, don't cap band members 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8ff3f956474d 01:02:04 Shadow creatures as bordering on useless in 0.13 01:02:22 not useless, but it's a waste of 5mp maybe one time in three 01:02:26 of course depending on the level 01:02:33 yeah, that's a factor; I'm using it a lot in vaults 01:02:38 where band enemies are common 01:02:42 but it's less a problem elsewhere 01:03:20 -!- lazarenth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:27 <|amethyst> sounds good to me 01:03:33 03MarvinPA02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-40-gea5169a: Reduce Shadow Creatures summon cap, don't cap band members 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=ea5169a2110b 01:04:16 my goodness 01:04:25 |amethyst: thanks :) 01:09:12 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:11:53 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:08 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:17:12 -!- Xiphos2000 has quit [Client Quit] 01:17:13 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 01:17:39 good evening. rchandra in ##crawl said I should talk to a dev about my game. can't seem to see the entrance to the Depths 01:18:11 johnstein: I don't think you'll get depths. I meant if you get no vaults/zot/etc 01:18:15 I started the game several days ago. my previous game had the runelock on D14. I just cleared D16. there's 3 up stairs and 3 down stairs (to D17). and 2 down hatches 01:18:23 oh 01:18:33 I must have started this game at just the right time 01:19:08 but ok. I see what you mean now 01:24:19 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:25:08 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:26:50 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:32:13 -!- Adeon has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:55 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:39:16 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 01:43:56 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:44:01 <|amethyst> johnstein: you'll get Vaults, Hell, Abyss, and Pan at the correct levels for D anyway 01:44:12 <|amethyst> johnstein: and the Zot portal at D:27 01:44:23 <|amethyst> johnstein: ctrl-o will be wrong though 01:44:39 <|amethyst> until you actually see the entrance, that is 01:47:06 hey, did boots of flying change since 0.13? i can't evoke mine from a save i updated 01:48:15 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:49:50 <|amethyst> what race? 01:50:52 ok. ty amethyst. I was worried about ctrl+o since it didn't look right 01:51:19 err. |amethyst 01:51:43 03MarvinPA02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-41-ga9b6442: Don't allow Vampires to be lichformed (cherry picked from commit aecfd6b6c9915d3bcfd60ab47ac9acfb0b27f527) 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a9b64424bed6 01:51:43 03kilobyte02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-42-g70eb7eb: Fix an use-after-free crash. 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 40+ 34-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=70eb7eb146ee 01:51:43 03kilobyte02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-43-g128a554: Fix a --test crash. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=128a554701ad 01:51:43 03Grunt02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-44-gf32e646: Use dbname for mimic_name() instead of basename. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f32e64626ece 01:51:43 03galehar02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-45-g85e979d: Increase the size of the description box in species/job selection menu. 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 9+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=85e979d114c5 01:51:43 03kilobyte02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-46-gb4ffbf5: Don't crash on "?/m spectral" in tiles. (cherry picked from commit 318bc0b365c57e5f3fd6d7c1674e5a8a7310ac82) 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b4ffbf5499bf 01:51:43 03kilobyte02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-47-gbeed3be: Fix a crash when a monster dies to own water-elec discharge. (cherry picked from commit 1c218013da4108461b070b7eb5cccd9a188f6bb8) 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=beed3be66aa6 01:51:43 03kilobyte02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-48-g6b7b02c: Fix wind drake/Sojobo breath not working away from the player. (cherry picked from commit ec9c540f2946ec9f21d632cc22cc05e8f285fe0b) 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6b7b02ca0073 01:51:43 03kilobyte02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-49-g5214230: Don't let Xom swap weapons with something in water/lava. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=52142301dd0e 01:51:43 03kilobyte02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-50-ga6b2625: Fix a banished eldritch tentacle crash. (cherry picked from commit 2e89b76ebc6d9b649769315208562845c99a82b6) 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a6b2625ba1bf 01:51:43 ... and 8 more commits 01:51:44 -!- eb has quit [] 01:56:25 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:57:11 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:01:27 -!- rchandra has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:02:55 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-59-g13bd910: Update 0.13 changelog through 0.13.0-58-ga7b73c1 10(44 seconds ago, 1 file, 9+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=13bd910c5135 02:03:38 <|amethyst> I didn't include all the changes there 02:03:47 <|amethyst> just the highlights I guess 02:17:37 -!- gammafunk_ has quit [Quit: gammafunk_] 02:19:18 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:28:41 -!- Pepe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:31:01 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:32:00 -!- magicpoints has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58:08 mingw compile failed 02:58:08 CXX tilepick.o 02:58:09 tilepick.cc: In function 'tileidx_t _tileidx_monster_base(int, bool, int, int, int)': 02:58:12 tilepick.cc:1140: error: 'TILEP_MONS_RAIJU' was not declared in this scope 02:58:14 make: *** [tilepick.o] Error 1 03:00:59 -!- AdmiralAckbrah is now known as wack 03:01:22 -!- wack is now known as kwack 03:04:22 -!- kwack has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 03:05:14 -!- ark_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:42 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:06:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-916-g32c58ff: Finish adding raiju tile. 10(36 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=32c58ffec682 03:06:43 <|amethyst> Napkin: there you go 03:09:20 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:12:02 awesome, |amethyst :) 03:12:29 bmfx (L16 GrAr) (Abyss:1) 03:17:16 -!- UseBees_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:18:39 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:28:13 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:29:46 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:38:09 -!- conted_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:39:01 -!- inspector071 has quit [Quit: inspector071] 03:51:24 <|amethyst> !lm bmfx crash -log 03:51:25 12. bmfx, XL16 GrAr, T:26687 (milestone): http://rl.heh.fi/morgue/bmfx/crash-bmfx-20131117-091229.txt 03:51:51 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 03:58:04 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!] 04:00:15 -!- Aryth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:01:48 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:11:19 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:12:54 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:23:28 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:31:18 -!- snakesoul has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:36:39 -!- araganzar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:42:17 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:43:15 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:52:17 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:55:03 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:06:22 -!- hasufell has quit [Quit: gone] 05:07:16 |amethyst: <3 giving a damn about stable 05:07:28 how do you think your cherry-picking fest is complete? 05:08:28 0.13 had a few appaling bugs that are still not in a point release 05:08:53 (which soundly disproved my delusions about 0.13 being far less buggy than previous releases) 05:09:13 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:11:21 -!- Nstar has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:14:37 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I think it's probably good enough for a 0.13.1, but maybe could use some testing of those cherry-picks 05:16:21 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:16:28 -!- hasufell has joined ##crawl-dev 05:32:19 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.13.0-59-g13bd910 (34) 05:33:29 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 05:41:52 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:46:04 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.13.0-59-g13bd910 05:46:35 Stable (0.13) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.13.0-59-g13bd910 05:47:50 cool, TZer0 upgraded the raspberry pi so it builds faster than CAO :) 05:47:59 (whatever the cause for the monstrous slowdown was) 05:49:12 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-917-gb85b6cc: Spam about the reason GDB is disabled. 10(49 seconds ago, 4 files, 12+ 13-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b85b6cc428e1 05:54:37 !tell joosa can I has rebuild rights to RHF? 05:54:37 kilobyte: OK, I'll let joosa know. 05:57:13 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: yes] 06:03:37 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:16:09 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:53 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:35:52 -!- dondy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:38:53 -!- MP2E_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:42:45 -!- PepeRC2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:47:58 Petrified creatures can continue to damage with Constriction by NekoRex 06:51:35 -!- dagonfive1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:54:35 -!- Yezarul has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:54:35 kilobyte: I wasn't using ccache.. also, my virtual server is insulted by your Raspberry jokes :( 06:54:35 TZer0: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 06:54:35 !messages 06:54:35 (1/2) |amethyst said (21h 39m 22s ago): webtiles needs a restart, or you can strace -p its pid, find what socket it's hanging on, and kill the corresponding crawl process 06:54:35 !messages 06:54:35 (1/1) |amethyst said (21h 39m 10s ago): assuming this is the same deadlock as on CAO, which seems likely 06:55:33 !tell |amethyst there are five instances of crawl running, with five players on the server - seems right? 06:55:34 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 06:55:56 oh wait 06:56:07 these are the messages I actually acted on while the bot was down 06:56:12 !tell |amethyst disregard. 06:56:12 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 06:58:02 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:03 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:02:54 -!- Bloax has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:02:54 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:02:54 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:04:31 -!- Ipsum_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:06:10 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 07:09:01 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 07:11:22 TZer0: ccache doesn't help most of the time. It's wonderful during debugging, but for periodic trunk builds typically core headers have changed since the last build. 07:11:33 and the raspi I benchmarked didn't use ccache either 07:12:21 so something must had been woefully out of whack on your box 07:16:36 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 07:16:36 not using -j? 07:16:36 -!- wack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:17:35 the pi wasn't using -j either :p (one core) 07:18:56 I see three likely causes: 1. there was a large number of processess all hogging the CPU, 2. something on the box was pounding I/O hard, or 3. something took all the memory, causing a swappeathon from hell 07:20:09 on a virtual machine without tight caps, any other virtual machine on the physical box could be the culprit 07:21:01 kilobyte: we see that at work reasonably often... you will just see a step change on latency numbers, 'everything' gets a second slower with no change to CPU use 07:22:26 with no more information than "it's ridiculously slow" it's hard to tell more 07:25:11 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:01 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:31 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:39:18 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:41:39 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:46:15 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:46:17 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:48:00 -!- dondy` is now known as dondy|afk 07:50:25 kilobyte: hmm.... 07:50:36 Maybe you've been trying to rebuild with a lot of people on the server? 07:50:48 Or perhaps while there were issues with instances of crawl hanging 07:51:35 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:52 what is this 07:54:09 there were complaints that CLAN is very slow around that time, yes 07:54:15 crawl.s-z.org is pinging at a solid ~150 ms 07:54:28 -!- jeanjacques has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:30 kilobyte: yeah, we had a crawl-instance just hogging the CPU 07:54:46 and there is only one CPU in that machine 07:54:47 crawl.lantea.net is pinging around 150-500 and timing out in a schizophrenic pattern 07:54:56 Bloax: O_o 07:55:10 and suddenly it's running at ~52 ms 07:55:11 * TZer0 tests it himself... 07:55:27 currently at 40 ms 07:55:32 I'll leave it running for a bit 07:55:34 just in case 07:55:44 starting to spike now 07:55:56 seems fine to me 07:56:23 No spike here 07:56:34 steady at about 38 ms 07:56:42 with random spikes to.. like.. 43 ms 07:56:57 With me it's steady around 53ms 07:57:06 with spikes to 108-232 ms 07:57:17 I don't get those spikes 07:57:19 at all 07:57:20 think thats coming from your end 07:57:24 yes 07:57:37 (try mtr) 07:58:03 -!- absolutego has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:17 both CDO and CLAN work steady for me, with a strange delay of ~40ms between 10gigabitethernet15-3.core1.fra1.he.net and decix2-gw.hetzner.de on IPv6 only 07:58:50 yeah, about rl.heh.fi 07:58:51 joosa: You have 9 messages. Use !messages to read them. 07:58:55 I'll have to shut it down 07:59:05 joosa: O_o 07:59:09 briefly or permanently? 07:59:21 let's say indefinitely 07:59:29 Damn 07:59:45 as a console player, I'm fine with that: there's CLAN if CDO goes down 07:59:57 but webtiles will pound CLAN heavily 08:00:11 I don't see much traffic to RHF anyway 08:00:14 Perhaps.. I could rehost the replay-files from that server? 08:00:25 kilobyte: webtiles only pounds CLAN during tournaments 08:00:37 I'm considering disabling webtiles ONLY during tournaments 08:00:43 so that more people can play 08:00:45 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:00:46 replays and logs are available, of course, and I'm in no rush to just kill it right now 08:01:08 joosa: I was thinking that you could tar it up or something 08:01:19 I could do that 08:01:24 but let's perhaps talk to someone about this move first 08:02:03 !tell |amethyst It seems that RHF is going down, should we migrate the data from that server to mine? 08:02:03 TZer0: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 08:02:22 why do you have to shut it down? 08:02:25 -!- dondy|afk is now known as dondy 08:07:14 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:24 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:44 eith: such questions are more efficient if aimed at someone 08:07:51 joosa: why do you have to shut it down? 08:08:22 i usually only do that when things are busy 08:08:45 and I was looking away! 08:09:49 I'll come up with an excuse just in a bit 08:10:30 cool :p people will ask id like to have something to tell them is all 08:12:00 eith: maybe I'll find a surge of motivation and keep it running after all 08:13:21 it'd be sad to take away, but it doesn't look like too many people have depended on it 08:14:16 server redundancy matters mostly during tournaments 08:14:32 and RHF wasn't set up for it 08:14:37 and I failed to set it up, 08:14:46 meanwhile lantea was dying 08:15:52 It definitely would have its use in the 0.14 tournament if it came to that. 08:16:13 I don't even know how much webtiles traffic it can take 08:17:11 * kilobyte ponders looking again at some way of deploying servers on demand. 08:17:12 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17:21 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:49 that would solve the tournament problem: existing servers are fine for everyday load 08:17:53 prepare some linux VM images with dgl/webtiles preconfigured, then just spin up some EC2 instances during tourneys 08:19:59 spinning up servers is easy; making scores and saves work is harder 08:21:33 -!- Tedronai has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:21:37 and ttyrecs 08:22:07 do we have a # on ttyrec size? 08:22:18 it might be feasible to use AWS to store them if they're not too many gigs 08:22:33 and then it becomes a lot easier to have any given server retrieve the one it needs 08:23:32 -!- Ashyr has quit [] 08:24:12 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24:36 ttyrecs tend to be too many gigs :( 08:24:48 on the other hand, they tend to be write-once-read-never 08:24:53 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-918-g5129fb9: Fix jewelry resists not getting identified if you are vulnerable. 10(11 minutes ago, 4 files, 4+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5129fb95940c 08:25:21 kilobyte: yeah, amazon glacier is designed for that 08:25:27 †† Glacier is designed with the expectation that restores are infrequent and unusual, and data will be stored for extended periods of time. You can restore up to 5% of your average monthly Glacier storage (pro-rated daily) for free each month. If you choose to restore more than this amount of data in a month, you are charged a restore fee starting at $0.01 per gigabyte. 08:25:40 we're WAY below 5% 08:25:44 glacier has like a 3 or 4 hour retrieve time 08:26:05 youd need to put it in s3 08:26:10 oh, is it that bad? didn't realize 08:27:49 S3 is more expensive as a recurring expense but probably not too bad still 08:30:19 i guess we could set up our own NFS if we hated ourselves 08:32:30 joosa: server specs? 08:33:31 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37:06 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:37:47 -!- hurdos has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:38:53 Eronarn: it can be stored in S3 only during the tournament, then moved to one of permanent servers 08:41:12 kilobyte: fwiw, if we had 500 GB of ttyrecs and spun up a few reasonable extra EC2 servers, it'd be ~$200 08:41:25 not sure how large the actual number is 08:42:04 -!- xoai has quit [] 08:49:36 gosh those formicids 08:50:03 What kind of bonus is 1 AC either way. 08:50:45 That's less than what a troll gets. 08:55:31 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:00:57 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:14:17 -!- dondy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:19:18 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:22:02 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:23:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:24:14 -!- Hal9k has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:25:02 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:27:39 -!- Hal9k has quit [Changing host] 09:28:45 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:33:22 TZer0: it's an ugly black box with some cables coming out of it 09:33:39 Core 2 Duo something, 4 GB RAM, 100/10 Mbps 09:34:13 shitty RAID5 with 5400 rpm drives 09:35:26 -!- dwwwwwwww has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:37:23 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:39:36 -!- UseBees_ is now known as UseBees 09:55:09 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:29 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:04:27 joosa: then it is more "powerful" when it comes to DCSS than CLAN 10:04:29 seriously. 10:05:00 RAM is the most used resource by crawl 10:05:04 and you have twice as much as my server 10:05:12 your upload is also fine 10:07:42 -!- _dd has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:33 how much traffic does a single client generate 10:14:12 The initial resource download is pretty big, but the passive (spectator) one seems pretty low. 10:14:25 2GB? no wonder your compiles take forever... 10:15:24 geekosaur: I think the main complaints about compiling taking so long happened while there was an instance of crawl eating the entire CPU 10:18:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:20:26 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 10:20:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:31:40 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-919-g07bc86d: Don't place 1s in the Depths through Pan/Hell entries. 10(8 minutes ago, 2 files, 12+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=07bc86d60fc1 10:32:57 Hell sentinels, tier-1 demons.. 10:33:09 depths sounds like it was loads of fun before all the nerfs 10:33:22 !send the_depths_of_madness Bloax 10:33:22 Sending Bloax to the_depths_of_madness. 10:33:40 loads of flaming fun 10:33:47 (todo: grunt_depths_of_madness, as soon as I get a solid idea of what it will entail) 10:34:06 !send Grunt !!FUN!! 10:34:06 Sending !!FUN!! to Grunt. 10:34:32 just watch out not to breach the circus tent 10:34:40 or else the clowns might come to get you 10:35:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:38:57 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 10:39:02 anyone here? 10:39:31 (not now that you asked) 10:39:53 * Grunt croaks. 10:40:55 http://pastebin.com/PmsC7vZh 10:40:59 How do I convert this into a Crypt ending? 10:41:30 ...did I not already show you my take on that? 10:42:00 Uh, no 10:42:03 At least I don't think so 10:42:21 I was thinking of replacing the curse skulls with revenants though 10:42:26 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:43 http://sprunge.us/gDjc 10:43:32 ...yeah looks much better, thanks 10:43:36 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-919-g07bc86d (34) 10:44:29 As I said at the time, "it still feels kind of sparse". 10:45:25 There are smaller crypt endings I think 10:45:45 The smallest Crypt ending is david_glass_crypt, which is a touch larger than that. 10:45:52 oh 10:45:52 glass crypt makes me so sad 10:45:58 It's not the size I'm talking about anyway - it's the level of difficulty. 10:46:25 Too easy or too hard? 10:46:41 What does "too sparse" mean to you? 10:46:47 replace necromancer bands with liches 10:46:49 ...not enough monsters? 10:46:52 and it'll be perfect 10:47:31 I am tempted to replace them with ancient liches, but that feels like I'm going too far in the other direction 10:47:35 -!- kekekela has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:47:55 maybe instead of a shadow temple.. 10:48:02 it should be the unholy cathedral 10:48:14 (and yes ranged weapons should still work) 10:48:39 10/10 10:48:51 * geekosaur should figure out vaults enough to poke at his crypt idea, for that matter 10:49:23 but cathedrals are usually pretty big 10:49:43 although doing it up fully means more than just vaults, I think 10:49:47 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:51:47 hey, it's a cathedral sitting in the bottom of an ancient crypt 10:52:05 had to cut back on size thanks to the lack of tourism 10:52:31 -!- tenthofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:19 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:55:25 -!- Bodrick has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:00:40 (the obvious solution is to special case band placement in mon-place to always place a band when a vault asks for one, but even then the vault is very confined for a spillage of a lot of serious monsters so I'd say it's too small (and with little starting randomization) well before I'd say it's sparse (aside from the end bosses perhaps)) 11:00:55 (cough, cough.) 11:02:47 thanks 11:04:14 disappointed that for once I don't get to criticize it on "blantantly obvious tripping points in design" or "this doesn't let crawl load" for once 11:04:52 I've gotten betterish at that 11:05:43 One idea I had was to throw a lot of invisible enemies in there 11:06:02 yes, I only have to do that now with fixing the massive piles of already-in vaults 11:11:22 -!- paulsomebody has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:45 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:16:41 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:09 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-919-g07bc86d (34) 11:19:42 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:24:05 almost solely source clean-up patch: http://sprunge.us/bGFD 11:24:56 (okay, and since it was really annoying me a nerf for shadow creatures in volcanos but the previous state in that regard was a very awkward relic) 11:32:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:48 Autoexplore does not work with !p and Nemelex by Sandman25 11:32:56 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:48 -!- st_ has quit [] 11:35:49 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:39:00 hey, I have a question about the new split-up dungeon, and the depths. Since D + depths is quite a bit shorter than old D, does this have a serious effect on the XP curve? I ask because in 0.13 things were adjusted, and tuned pretty specifically to the length of the game, so I'd guess the current game length throws a wrench into that. I don't know how big of an effect it is though 11:39:00 evilmike: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:40:08 damnation 11:40:26 what 11:40:40 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:41:12 Depths places a vault on every floor (something like an average of 2.4 more vaults on rough equivalents to D:22-27 in exchange for that D:17-20), and last time he was asked grunt said it's roughly the same xp allotments 11:41:41 hm ok 11:43:06 also it looks a lot harder than Vaults, am I right about that? 11:43:12 it is, yes 11:43:36 so why does the stair to V generate there? I know it's the whole rune lock issue but it seems like a strange progression 11:43:59 evilmike: good question 11:44:07 personally, I like the notion of making Depths a branch of Vaults instead of the other way around (while still needing a lock to enter Vaults in this case) 11:44:31 that should be fairly easy to manage? 11:44:34 what if you make Vaults spawn in late D instead of depths (what letter do we use for depths). But, to get into Vaults, you also need a rune 11:44:48 so, you'd need 2 runes to get into both Vaults and Depths. and once you unlock one, the rune is used up 11:44:56 which would also mean you could get into zot with 2 runes... heh 11:45:49 on G depths is U (vestibUle was moved to H), not that said letter's particularly useful either 11:46:48 Dungeon Underbelly or something? 11:46:55 Underworld 11:47:43 making it go vaults -> depths would work but i kind of dislike it for some reason 11:48:13 is it that it gets more convoluted to actually get to Zot from the starting point of D:1 11:48:16 I guess because one of the big features of crawl is the branching dungeon, but with that proposal, you get this straight path of dungeon -> vaults -> depths -> zot 11:49:02 I don't really how complicated the dungeon graph is, it's more about the "feel" of it just having this straight progression 11:49:06 dungeon -> lair -> lair branch -> vaults -> depths -> zot 11:49:22 no, because lair branches don't lead directly to vaults 11:49:53 fine, dungeon -> [rune] -> vaults -> depths -> zot 11:49:59 It's about D (and I guess depths, as an extension of D) acting as a hub 11:51:15 * tenthofswords shrugs 11:54:52 -!- asdf__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:45 giong to briefly tinker with the (year old) https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:dungeon:dungeon_map and see if there's really significant branching loss 12:03:20 -!- Wahaha has quit [] 12:08:01 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:11:49 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:12:57 -!- probablyrobots has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:14:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:18:16 Cut some message spam from str/dex/int artefact [un-]equip by chris 12:19:24 -!- asdf__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:31:18 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:34:05 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:36:51 Nightosphere 12:37:03 http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Nightosphere_(location) 12:37:55 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:39:22 we do not have any of the letters in Nightosphere free, aside from R since that's really only for pan 12:42:10 -!- wack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:44:11 what are the free letters, anyways 12:44:20 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:46:30 K, J (Abyss), Q (Zigs), R (Pan) 12:47:39 (and U) 12:53:18 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:37 qoubliette 13:05:45 -!- bmfx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:08:54 -!- Tuxido has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:09:16 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:10:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:25 -!- Croesus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:21:04 a lot of letters are assigned randomly, if you have a better claim they can be moved 13:21:56 -!- Aryth1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:31:12 -!- Ipsum_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:31:39 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:50:20 -!- Leafsnail has quit [Quit: IceChat - Keeping PC's cool since 2000] 13:51:29 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:54 -!- CeleryM__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:01 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 13:58:58 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 14:06:49 -!- Ashyr is now known as Crunch 14:10:00 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 14:10:01 -!- CeleryMa_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:13:28 -!- pelotron has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:16:25 -!- Crunch has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:38 -!- CeleryMa_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23:53 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 241 seconds] 14:25:33 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:31:25 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 14:32:40 -!- absolutego has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:36:59 -!- bh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:39:13 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:43:54 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:51:59 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:53:26 -!- Crunch has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54:39 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:21 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:34 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:38 -!- Tedronai has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:05:51 -!- alchemist_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:11:27 -!- ChrisOelmueller has quit [Quit: Out at the horizon, out near the burnished edge of the world, who are these visitors standing... 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It's entirely possible that he fell down a shaft, right? 16:51:23 correct 16:51:48 imagine my surprise :) 16:55:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:57:37 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:01:28 -!- crate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:01:37 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:02:00 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:03:55 -!- CeleryM__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:04:24 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:06:09 tenthofswords: is the abyss vault in labs your doing? 17:08:03 no, that one's well before my time 17:08:24 (or nicolae- copying it) 17:14:10 -!- kelpie has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:14:31 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 17:15:30 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:17:38 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: Miranda NG! 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Use !messages to read them. 19:47:09 <|amethyst> with lavaport 19:47:17 mm that sounds like a good spell 19:47:17 lava alligators 19:47:24 The lava nymph draws you back to her home. You fall into the lava! 19:47:37 I guess she was too hot to handle. 19:47:49 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 to yours if you have space, or maybe to greensnark's server 19:47:49 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 19:48:02 lava alligator snapping turtles 19:48:06 -!- Brokkr has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:48:31 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 19:48:31 shoals should also use the monster tables thing just so that place:Shoals and 0s and what not do not fail to place anything because they tried for a shark or a kraken 19:48:34 lava orcs in Orc 19:48:39 although I suppose it's a little more complicated there 19:50:13 Anyway, I'm mainly looking at this right now because I'm trying to figure out what to do with the Snake monster set. 19:50:23 { // Hell branch water monsters { 1, 7, 150, FLAT, MONS_JELLYFISH }, 19:50:50 An idea I had to start with was to place some of the less aquatic/swampy reptilian types (basilisks, komodo dragons, possibly lindwurms per the adjusted salamanders_mu). 19:51:00 two more magicl serpents, rare lindwurms, lower water moccasin / adder / ball python slightly with depth and up black mambas with depth 19:51:01 ...but I think it's in need of more than that. 19:51:49 if I remember correctly Somebody was going to give guardian serpents blink_allies_at_other or whatever it's called 19:51:59 (clearly bring back subtractor snakes) 19:52:12 call them rainbow serpents and give them tiamat breath 19:52:47 alternatively steal eronarn's other idea and give them vampiric+antimagic+draining in one attack 19:53:09 (Give them Word of Recall and Blink Allies Encircling.) 19:53:49 (that is, guardian serpents) 19:56:02 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 19:56:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:56:29 unless you've teleported over to them or vaults are adjusted further, since they already sit near the rune word of recall would not really necessarily summon much 19:56:42 also blink allies encircling hopefully will scale a little with hd 19:56:53 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:39 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-923-g8017fe6: Remove a reference to Dryads being 7s 10(72 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8017fe698de5 19:58:43 that body shape thing is another place that's easily forgotten about and gets out of sync fairly often :( 19:59:26 i don't even really know what it's actually used for 19:59:50 Flavour text, mostly, IIRC. 20:00:13 ...surely treants deserve to be under 7 20:02:13 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all!] 20:04:55 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:05:01 -!- randomizr is now known as RZX 20:06:05 <|amethyst> other than flavour text (including speech), it's also used to decide what tiles zombies get 20:07:09 how did this get into my notes: 20:07:10 1809 | D:2 | You fall through a shaft! 20:07:55 did you fall through a shaft 20:08:37 <|amethyst> SamB: dat/defaults/misc.txt: note_messages += You fall through a shaft 20:08:56 why is that not in messages.txt 20:09:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-924-ge159610: Add compile-time checks for water and lava population tables. 10(36 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e159610a26b2 20:10:00 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:10:05 oh right, while mon-pick-data is being picked at 20:10:09 <|amethyst> SamB: messages.txt seems to be just message_colour and force_more_message 20:10:33 anybody want to push http://sprunge.us/bGFD 20:10:54 <|amethyst> SamB: I could see moving those settings to messages.txt, but then they're split from note_items 20:11:10 hmm, messages.txt could probably be somewhat simplified now that we have a channel for the timed portal messages? 20:11:45 we'd still need to do something about the difference between the announcement when you enter the level and the "tick" messages though 20:12:21 <|amethyst> SamB: I also don't like how 'fast' and 'slow' have different meanings for different portals 20:12:22 |amethyst: anyway, my plan is to add a note to see misc.txt 20:12:55 -!- Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:00 so in the description for pandemonium it says 20:13:01 "No fewer than five runes can be found in Pandemonium" 20:13:09 |amethyst: thanks for that commit! 20:13:11 could this be confusing to new players who might think there's a possibility of /more/ than five? 20:13:54 once upon a time, there were... 20:13:55 (also, "demonic runes exist in multiple copies" might be taken to mean you can get more than one even though you can't now) 20:13:59 yeah, I know 20:14:07 does holy pan have a rune? I forget 20:14:13 no 20:14:21 that'd be unfair since holies don't get holy pan 20:14:25 Flex: how about "demonic runes reappear if you miss them" 20:14:33 well, I didn't know if it had the demonic rune or a replacement, for example 20:14:56 holypan has pda and cmut and scourges/eudemons and a big chamber of stuff, it doesn't need a rune :) 20:15:07 yeah 20:15:09 holypan, the Elf of pan 20:15:12 I got to holy pan last game but bailed immediately 20:15:19 because there is no way in hell I was doing holy pan as a demonspawn 20:15:54 -!- jday_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:16:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:17:19 to be fair, the branch descriptions appear out of date in general wherever it's possible for them to be 20:18:47 before I put it on my list to make that patch am I allowed to actually put into the branch descriptions where portal branches can spawn 20:19:00 portal branches? 20:19:05 you mean hell/pan/abyss? 20:19:38 sorry, portal vaults 20:20:03 (well, they're all portal branches, but people still think of them as vaults, sigh) 20:20:13 well 20:20:19 even if they're technically branches 20:20:22 they're more like vaults in some ways 20:22:31 ...wow, it's actually quite inconsistent to list depth ranges in branch descriptions at all 20:23:02 seems like that should/could be automatically appended 20:23:10 like it is in ctrl-o 20:23:40 sounds good to me 20:24:17 yeah 20:24:31 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:25:05 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:35:30 hmm, how are we going to make known_shaft true for Fo self shaft? 20:37:47 -!- Thurston has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:38:35 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:42:01 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:42:38 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 20:48:28 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:48:34 -!- Nstar has quit [Quit: Nstar] 20:50:30 SamB: set an attribute before going down_stairs? 20:51:02 I don't suppose they should actually dig a real shaft? 20:51:35 heh, my original code from a year ago actually placed a shaft trap and then took it 20:52:01 if it still did that all I'd need to do is mark it "known" and bye-bye milestones 20:56:32 -!- myrmidette1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:57:04 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:57:19 -!- RZX_ is now known as RZX 20:58:28 -!- randomizr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:01:42 -!- Zaba has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:02:35 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:33 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:04:39 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:05:31 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-925-gb5b77e2: Adjustments to Snake monster generation. 10(19 minutes ago, 2 files, 22+ 9-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b5b77e206363 21:05:31 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-926-g6e2ecf9: Adjust another band makeup. 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6e2ecf9479f2 21:05:31 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-927-ga4da013: Lower a couple of monster weights. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4da013b884e 21:06:33 + { 1, 5, 122, FLAT, MONS_NAGA_WARRIOR }, + { 1, 5, 122, UP, MONS_NAGA_WARRIOR }, + { 6, 7, 244, FLAT, MONS_NAGA_WARRIOR }, 21:06:43 can' 21:06:50 t this just be done with SEMI 21:07:24 SEMI doesn't give the kind of curve I'm looking for; I wanted to preserve the deep bound of 7 while having it peak at 5. 21:08:00 (If someone else wants to do that, though...) 21:08:59 clearly should just pester kilobyte 21:09:12 -!- zoqfot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:13:11 You fall through a shaft to D:2! 21:13:14 does that sound dumb 21:14:26 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 21:14:37 SamB, yes. 21:14:43 -!- Quashie has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:16:59 particularly if you're on d:3 at the time 21:20:19 what do you think it should do instead? 21:20:40 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:20:41 -!- Datul has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:21:02 SamB: here's a patch if you haven't done it already: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QjBTywxM 21:21:10 I'm not really happy about adding a parameter to down_shaft though 21:21:46 buppy: yeah, if I actually thought that was a nice way to do it I probably would have already 21:21:54 er, to down_shaft? 21:22:12 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:42 ah, you meant down_stairs like I was also thinking was kind of ugly 21:23:53 -!- Butt is now known as Guest60121 21:24:06 -!- Guest60121 has quit [Client Quit] 21:24:40 oh, whoops 21:25:01 -!- Thurston has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:25:19 * SamB grabs it anyway since he's not sure there's a better approach 21:25:24 I also tried adding a fake dungeon_feature_type but an assert broke that I didn't bother fixing 21:25:49 (so I abandoned the idea) 21:26:57 so, what would be a good way to indicate how far the player gets shafted? 21:27:59 you mean in-game? 21:28:12 -!- UseBees_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:35 "You fall through a shaft! [...] You are now on D:5." ? 21:29:28 I guess, for making sense both on the main screen and in the notes, it would work best if it just said how far you fall? 21:29:56 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:30:53 saying how many levels you fell is a good idea imo 21:30:57 that's usually what you'd care about 21:33:48 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:34:17 yeah, how many you fell is better 21:34:40 so, how should that be worded? 21:35:01 I guess skip it entirely when just one? 21:36:10 "You fall down a shaft! [...] You fell 2 storeys and are now on D:5" ? 21:36:26 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:39:19 "You fall through a shaft (2 storeys)!"? hmm, awkward. 21:40:19 buppy: that one makes me a bit uncomforatable since I want to print it in one message so that it all ends up in one note, which would technically be printed before/during the shafting, not after at all 21:40:50 one of the possible admission fees for a trove should be 20 food rations 21:40:52 or maybe 30 21:41:05 either type, I hope? 21:41:23 "You fall though a shaft/deep shaft/very deep shaft" ? 21:41:33 That sounds workable. 21:41:40 Grunt: which? 21:41:46 shaft/deep shaft/very deep shaft 21:42:24 the player character is clearly aware of exactly how many levels he/she/it falls 21:43:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:44:05 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:45:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:25 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:48:49 -!- myrmidette2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:49:13 Grunt: that sounds bad 21:49:16 why not say the actual number 21:49:27 the player knows what floor he's on, and came from, so why not 21:49:40 "You fall through a shaft for 3 floors" or something 21:50:16 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:51:05 Debian builds of the trunk branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-927-ga4da013 21:51:27 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:29 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-928-gb834acc: Don't allow mimics in the guaranteed food supply. 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 51+ 37-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b834acca23dd 21:54:43 grunt ugggghhhh I didn't even think about that when I compressed all the fruiting plant subvaults into one vault 21:55:12 At the time, food mimics didn't exist! 21:55:23 (not randomly at least) 21:55:29 no, I mean my secret patch 21:55:46 can't no_mimic just be a vault tag too or something 21:57:57 do zig portals shut once you get the orb? 21:58:08 Grunt: did you ever look at that orc:4 vault I had on mantis? 21:58:14 Grunt: am I the only one who finds the water/lava tables impossible to follow 21:58:34 SamB: you're not; I was thinking about having it be an entry in branch data instead. 21:58:45 (it being the collective mon-pick tables) 21:59:12 that is probably better than my idea to add comments about what branch is what 21:59:31 -!- Amilir has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:59:48 -!- tenthofswords has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:01:43 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 22:02:15 or my other idea to hold the G++ developers at gunpoint and force them to add support for designated initializers for trivial types 22:03:13 (on the theory that these could act pretty much exactly as in C) 22:03:26 (however ill-defined *that* may be) 22:07:38 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:08:03 -!- soundlust|2 is now known as soundlust 22:08:58 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:14:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:14:58 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:05 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:50 -!- giantbat has quit [Quit: giantbat] 22:17:41 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-929-g5f6f6a0: Add a note about note_messages being in misc.txt to messages.txt 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5f6f6a02dc73 22:17:41 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-930-gb240ed3: Replace an "if (x); if (!x);" by "if (x); else;" 10(25 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b240ed31784f 22:17:43 -!- djanatyn has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:27:05 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:28:03 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31:38 -!- Bloodsparce has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:32:55 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:34:04 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:34:43 -!- ackack has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:38:05 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:38:51 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 22:39:43 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:40:01 -!- myrmidette1 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:41:11 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:59 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:16 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 22:45:12 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:18 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:45:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:45:39 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:46:00 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:46:57 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 22:47:15 03SamB02 07* 0.14-a0-931-ge3c4986: Indicate how far players get shafted on-screen (and in notes) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e3c4986a8911 22:48:11 -!- Ashyr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:19 Grunt: what do you think of buppy's patch to stop Fo self-shaft from getting milestoned? 22:54:35 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:54:59 I don't really care one way or the other. 22:56:32 I meant about the way it works, not about whether it should happen 22:57:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:57:16 Oh. 22:57:23 ...show me the patch? 22:59:06 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 23:01:09 Grunt: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QjBTywxM 23:01:42 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:02:49 -!- NekoRex has quit [Quit: "All the vain and ignorant will look up and shout 'Save us!', and I'll look down and whisper... 'Nyo.'"] 23:03:32 ...I can't immediately think of a better approach for that. 23:04:02 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 23:04:09 my only other idea involved making an actual known shaft ... 23:04:50 That sounds even messier. 23:05:52 yes probably 23:07:21 03pubby02 {SamB} 07* 0.14-a0-932-g154aeca: Consider Formicid-made shafts known. 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 7+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=154aecad264e 23:07:27 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:46 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 23:11:59 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:13:35 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:05 -!- buppy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:20:17 -!- Disguise has quit [Client Quit] 23:24:16 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:40 hmm, it looks like poison immune players take damage from venom bolt as if they had regular level 1 rpois (50% damage), and from poison arrow as if they had rpois+++ (resistible portion does 20% damage) 23:29:05 That sounds buggy, somehow. 23:29:09 yes indeed 23:30:11 -!- ark_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:31:42 -!- jason56 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:32:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:34:26 -!- Rebthor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:34:37 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:34:39 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 23:36:08 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:36:40 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:37:36 -!- agentgt has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7] 23:40:40 -!- raskol_ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:40:41 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.14-a0-932-g154aeca (34) 23:40:54 http://sprunge.us/BTFL 23:41:28 (... perhaps this would work better on a new monster altogether) 23:42:04 huh they have minor healing 23:42:36 Yes. 23:42:48 (And have ever since DCSS came into existence, at least.) 23:42:56 (way back when they were guardian nagas) 23:43:04 -!- lazarenth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:43:16 guardian serpents spawn outside snake in a bunch of places i think? so you'd have to bear that in mind 23:43:21 -!- tholmes has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:43:39 Mostly a handful of vaults themed specifically for that purpose. 23:43:42 personally i think it'd be fine to change them up a bunch other than that though 23:44:05 Let's find out... 23:44:14 since tele other is on naga mages and greaters anyway 23:44:20 Exactly. 23:45:20 (also i'd say remove the other minor healing slot too :P) 23:45:27 I considered that :) 23:46:17 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:47:32 Basically the main vaults that place guardian serpents outside of Snake are a set of four (mini)vaults that use a guardian serpent to guard a small number of items, a handful of abyssal vaults, and a couple of late D snake-themed vaults. 23:48:40 ...well, you know what I mean by late D :b 23:48:55 Late U? 23:48:58 I wonder what happens with blink other close with unrecognized featur mimics 23:49:11 if that vault is still around 23:49:12 yeah i remember the themed minivaults, those could get a naga mage instead maybe? the guardian serpent is often very ood i think (but deliberately so since it has patrolling) 23:49:42 Don't forget the one that's nothing but mimics 23:49:53 or just stay as-is but be bumped deeper if necessary or whatever, i dunno 23:50:27 I don't think it would be *too* much of a problem to leave them as they are, but I've thought for a while that they should be moved deeper. 23:52:04 -!- wack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:52:24 unrelatedly, any thoughts on removing treewalking from dryads? their spellset seems strong without it and it's pretty annoying 23:52:30 Right now the three of them that have real loot place in D on D:9-. 23:52:33 also removing rockwalking from rock worms, also removing rock worms 23:53:01 Forest could use another complete overhaul >_> 23:54:47 i don't think it needs that much really 23:55:52 i mean it needs improving certainly, but not an entirely new monster set or anything 23:56:37 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:57:03 03Grunt02 07* 0.14-a0-933-g5ded1f0: An experimental new spell set for guardian serpents. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ded1f09efd3 23:57:25 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:57:48 -!- Arkaniad has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:59:49 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor]