00:00:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:01:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.14-a0-883-g02d7e00 (34) 00:01:22 I found a vault in orc that doesn't seem to have any entrance. I only detected it because of antennae and had to break a wall to get in. No stairs inside it 00:01:40 bh: as incompetent as we clearly are? perhaps not a whole lot. 00:02:27 hmm, can you even sign commits as opposed to tags? 00:03:00 I think so 00:03:17 * SamB wonders what git does if you take a direct-ref tag and replace it with one of the rich, possibly-signed kind 00:03:27 -S 00:03:56 * SamB just exited the very manpage in question to open it up again ... 00:04:18 bh: huh, looks like you can 00:05:56 Unstable branch on rl.heh.fi updated to: 0.14-a0-883-g02d7e00 (34) 00:06:46 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 00:14:21 Is `ASSERT(!(unicode >= 0xD800 && unicode <= 0xDFFF))` preferable to `ASSERT(unicode < 0xD800); ASSERT(unicode > 0xDFFF);`? 00:14:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:16:05 hmm, what do you mean 00:16:46 see 23222fd -- I did some assertion refactoring so we'd get better line numbers on crashes 00:17:03 oh, that last one doesn't even sound like it would do anything useful ... 00:17:48 Those aren't equivalent, bh. 00:17:49 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:18:04 Grunt: oh right. demorgan. 00:18:38 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-883-g02d7e00 (34) 00:24:28 03bh02 07* 0.14-a0-884-g88d061b: Refactor ASSERT(a && b) again 10(15 minutes ago, 12 files, 31+ 15-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=88d061b74513 00:27:09 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:00 -!- rchandra is now known as simnerine 00:34:36 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:35:02 -!- simnerine is now known as rchandra 00:35:48 -!- Taraiph has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:38:35 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:39:41 does CKR have a bot? 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03:19:40 yep, it's a greeting word 03:24:30 grmbl 03:24:50 anyone recently tried to get the submodules? 03:25:00 (I mean, initial pull) 03:28:14 ok... sometimes I hate git... 03:31:27 Relayout resistance section in % screen by chris 03:32:13 -!- crux has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:32:49 * SamB hasn't tried lately, no ... 03:33:03 I have found the problem 03:33:15 git launch himself several times 03:33:23 and then lock himself... 03:33:30 only have to kill one instance 03:37:40 -!- Brokkr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:43:06 -!- VolteccerJack has quit [Quit: Try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-] 03:43:13 -!- Sonata has quit [Quit: ₪₪₪-₪₪₪-₪₪-₪₪₪] 03:48:44 -!- gammafunk_ has quit [Quit: gammafunk_] 03:53:54 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 03:55:53 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 03:56:13 -!- blabber has quit [Client Quit] 03:57:54 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:12:55 -!- ark_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:57 Fix setting {Regen} randart property in wizmode by chris 04:18:16 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:18:44 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:23:48 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:40:37 -!- absolutego has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:44:03 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:45:16 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 04:56:31 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:57:09 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: yes] 05:00:58 anyone evertried to compile crawl through netbeans+mingw? 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Use !messages to read it. 07:32:59 buppy: OK, I'll let kilobyte know. 07:36:19 -!- Staplefun has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:39:25 %git 74b766a 07:39:25 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-795-g74b766a: Show Zin's poison immunity on the '%' screen. 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=74b766a41dbc 07:39:51 Those are interesting side effects based on the commit summary :) 07:42:26 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:28 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:45:45 -!- MDvedh has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:48 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:11:56 -!- Sage has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:13:23 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:53 Zot: D:6 what 08:16:01 -!- SamB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:32:01 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:39 -!- floatboth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:33:07 <|amethyst> Bloax: was this an old save? 08:33:16 It was from back around august. 08:33:31 It's amazing that it still works. 08:34:43 <|amethyst> %git 0.11.0 08:34:43 07kilobyte02 * 0.11.0: Set the 0.11 date in the changelog. 10(1 year, 2 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=8a98804c85bc 08:35:07 -!- Duke- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:35:08 <|amethyst> Bloax: theoretically you can load games from 0.11, though I haven't tested in a while 08:35:25 <|amethyst> Bloax: there's still a bug where you'll likely be missing the Hell and Abyss portals 08:36:37 Well it doesn't seem like the Zotgate vaults spawn either. 08:36:44 Unless the door can just be found in a random corridor. 08:37:31 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Screenies/dumb/zotvaults.png 08:40:17 -!- hurdos has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:41:31 I think I understood that limestone bug 08:41:50 (It isn't that limestone actually) 08:43:17 It can be fixed by calling draw_at(place) for each vault when you are loading the game. 08:43:27 If it is even possible 08:43:30 I dont know 08:44:10 It only seems to reflavour floor/wall tiles that are not default when placing vaults. 08:45:39 <|amethyst> ideally we wouldn't re-randomize them across save-load 08:45:54 <|amethyst> but would instead store the flavour when it can't be computed 08:46:13 <|amethyst> I guess we could use a separate RNG with the level ID as part of the seed 08:47:26 <|amethyst> but probably someone will notice and complain if going down and back up stairs (or doing "X[]") changed all their tiles 08:47:50 <|amethyst> that would still be better than the current situation, though 08:51:45 <|amethyst> buppy: I'm guessing that's intentional (unless you mean edible by non-rPois people); but your comment led me to find another bug in that commit 08:51:57 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-885-g02ff6a7: Make statue-form vampires poison-immune. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=02ff6a7dff2a 08:52:25 |amethyst: what a bizarre thing 08:52:31 <|amethyst> I guess I shouldn't be unfair... the bug was around before that commit 08:53:02 but severity of that randomization bug is really minor 08:53:06 Who cares after all? 08:53:11 <|amethyst> but 74b766a drew my attention to it by changing indentation without changing parenthesisation 08:55:31 <|amethyst> %git 26a4de 08:55:31 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-2387-g26a4de8: Give gargoyles and statue form poison immunity. 10(4 months ago, 3 files, 3+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=26a4de87d86b 08:55:55 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:56:13 <|amethyst> I guess statue form vampires were never poison-immune until now 08:56:34 <|amethyst> non-starving ones (can you even get to starving will staying in statue form?) 08:56:40 <|amethyst> s/will/while/ 08:57:47 I've found slimy rune on the tele-trap the other day 08:57:53 Was that intended? 09:02:14 <|amethyst> ackack: try 5% 09:02:15 <|amethyst> doh 09:03:37 |amethyst: even if it wasn't intentional, I still like the change 09:03:48 |amethyst: also, could you apply these patches for me? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ARXuTTF2 09:05:31 -!- timbw has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:06:55 <|amethyst> buppy: hm, I wonder if we should make all Antennae 3 block acute vision 09:07:08 <|amethyst> buppy: but this way is probably fine for now 09:08:07 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-886-gc5239a2: Don't allow Fo to get acute vision. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5239a2893d7 09:08:07 03pubby02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-887-g6233028: Fix a typo in exoskeleton mutation message. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6233028bcdf9 09:11:41 |amethyst: there are other similiar cases such as gaining rPois mutation while having slimy green scales 09:12:05 <|amethyst> buppy: yeah, and the mutation-mutation conflict code only handles one-level mutations 09:12:36 it's probably better to leave it alone for non-innate mutations 09:12:40 <|amethyst> though since you mention it, I'm not sure it's necessary to prevent the rP mutation for dwants 09:13:03 the reason I did that was because the mutation screen messages were conflicting 09:13:11 <|amethyst> ah, good point 09:13:32 <|amethyst> Could change that (so that it gives a different message if it only brings you up to innate rPois0) 09:14:57 hm, is there an easy way to do that? 09:15:15 I looked into it a long time ago but couldn't figure it out 09:17:38 -!- raskol has quit [Client Quit] 09:17:45 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:17:51 -!- Narretz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:18:55 &var means var is sent by reference and not by value? 09:19:27 <|amethyst> buppy: could special-case it in mutation_desc by testing something like player_res_poison(false, false, false) == 0 09:19:39 <|amethyst> MDvedh: where exactly? In a call or a prototype? 09:19:49 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:19:50 In a prototype. 09:20:07 <|amethyst> MDvedh: then yes 09:20:14 Ok. 09:20:44 <|amethyst> buppy: see for example how we handle MUT_DEFORMED when armour skill is useless 09:21:04 |amethyst: that looks promising 09:21:23 <|amethyst> buppy: Am I correct that rings can raise formicids to rP+ ? 09:21:42 yes, 2 sources = rP+. Spider form can't do that though 09:21:55 <|amethyst> yeah, I was going to say it's inconsistent with spider form 09:22:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 09:22:13 <|amethyst> but I guess that's okay, because spider form is a temp thing (unless dpeg gets his way :) 09:22:34 heh 09:22:37 <|amethyst> and absolutely preventing rP+ on a whole race would be a bit much 09:23:01 Hardcore-ish enough 09:23:53 <|amethyst> I still think a (rather expensive) "Shaft up" ability would remove a lot of the player complaints about no flight options 09:24:08 <|amethyst> but is kind of hard to flavour and might be way too powerful 09:24:21 <|amethyst> "flight" = "fleeing" here, not "flying" 09:24:34 FLEEEEING 09:25:06 <|amethyst> Beware the food cost! http://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/1qqu40/dcss_well_thats_just_a_frustrating_end_starvation/ 09:25:21 their normal shafting could be improved by considering them "known shafts" instead of "unknown" 09:25:52 <|amethyst> buppy: remind me what the differences are, other than messages? 09:26:34 |amethyst: known shaft is weighted heavily towards falling only 1 floor. Uknown is weighted even towards 1/2/3 floors 09:26:57 <|amethyst> oh, then yes, I agree 09:27:07 <|amethyst> it doesn't help in the places you most need escape options 09:27:13 <|amethyst> s/doesn't/still &/ 09:27:17 <|amethyst> (branch ends) 09:27:25 -!- jcd748 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:27:27 I'm thinking it would be better to have all shafts use same formulas 09:28:16 I kinda like the added tension of difficult end branches 09:28:26 <|amethyst> hm... but shaft traps are most interesting when they drop you far 09:28:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:28:57 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:29:07 well, I was thinking of weighting 2 floors the most heavily as that seems to be the most fun amount 09:32:05 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:37:15 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 09:48:15 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:49:24 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:51:29 -!- BizmarkRibeye has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 09:53:34 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:51 -!- Cedor has quit [Quit: Quitte] 10:00:19 -!- lessens has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:00:35 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:40 -!- thug_lessons is now known as lessens 10:01:21 |amethyst: you'd be wondering how he ever got so low 10:02:44 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 10:04:01 <|amethyst> Bloax: re the random zot gate, that does currently happen in transferred saves (the normal zot entrances are Place: Depths:$ so you get a fallback) 10:04:35 Well yeah I thought as much. 10:05:25 <|amethyst> though I thought it was supposed to be adjacent to an upstair or something 10:06:23 03ChrisOelmueller02 {kilobyte} 07* 0.14-a0-888-g6d24305: Fix setting {Regen} randart property in wizmode 10(6 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6d24305edda4 10:06:23 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-889-g6c4f67e: Fix missing Hell, Abyss and Pan entries as well. 10(57 seconds ago, 1 file, 12+ 5-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6c4f67eba0c2 10:06:37 oops, sorry for not fixing this earlier 10:06:38 kilobyte: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:08:04 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-890-g996e7c2: Update a comment for new topology. 10(76 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=996e7c22911f 10:08:07 It's impressive how a game that started in July 31 still worked fine after a version bump and three months worth of updates. 10:08:29 <|amethyst> you have kilobyte to thank for that 10:08:30 eh, how exactly did that reddit guy manage to starve in a 3-runer? 10:08:57 |amethyst: for a constant stream of breakages we (indeed, mostly me and you) have to fix? 10:09:11 kilobyte: Probably using firestorm a lot and eating permafood. 10:09:37 Crypt is the only place without food, and it's by no means mandatory 10:09:40 <|amethyst> kilobyte: despite being one of the bigger proponents of maintaining save compat, I was perfectly fine with breaking compat for dungeon split 10:09:42 coincidentally when i picked this TeMo^Chei up again I had about 20 bread and 16 meat rations by V:5 with both lair runes. 10:10:20 which is a somewhat good illustration of how much food there is in a 3-runer 10:11:00 <|amethyst> kilobyte: and I know you'd like to do a compat bump at some point, so I'm even more impressed that you managed to preserve compat 10:11:34 |amethyst: the good thing came from my irrational dislike to too many merge commits: Grunt didn't use rerere but kept merging constantly. I tried to rectify that, and only then realized there's no reason to break the compat. 10:11:38 <|amethyst> kilobyte: bugs are bugs... I'm sure we would have had different ones the other way (though you did catch at least some of those) 10:12:06 yeah, I've seen a bunch of things that break when we bump compat 10:12:47 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:13:19 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:54 <|amethyst> kilobyte: We will have to break compat one day... what could we do at that point to reduce the need for further compat breaks? 10:14:22 <|amethyst> kilobyte: Is there a reasonable way to store enums that doesn't crap out when they shift? 10:15:15 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I guess usually that's not the thing that leads to breaking compatibility 10:15:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte: would it help things to tag structures like monsters with their size? I realise the API doesn't really let us do that currently, but.. 10:16:11 what I've seen is mostly different tables getting out of sync 10:16:13 <|amethyst> kilobyte: it would be kind of nice if we could resync after a misaligned read 10:16:17 <|amethyst> hm 10:16:32 like, that table of feature names in terrain.cc vs their enums 10:17:09 <|amethyst> Is there any reason not to handle features the same way we handle, say, spells? 10:17:20 ugh... no, if there's an alignment failure, I _want_ it to die immediately 10:17:27 could work 10:17:29 <|amethyst> we could even put flags like "is door", "is passable" into the data structure 10:17:43 a sec, brb 10:17:54 <|amethyst> so we don't do all these <= >= comparisons that break when new features are added to the end 10:18:43 <|amethyst> kilobyte: re misalignment, I wasn't thinking to continue the game if that happens, but sometimes the clue to what caused the problem may be later 10:19:10 <|amethyst> kilobyte: though I guess I was thinking "don't abort immediately", but rather "abort at the end of loading" 10:19:11 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:20:45 <|amethyst> kilobyte: e.g. maybe you could still get a map for dump or debugging purposes even if there is a screwed-up monster 10:20:49 I went the very other way and peppered the code with canaries to abort as soon as possible 10:21:19 <|amethyst> you're right, that it probably wouldn't be worth it 10:21:39 you have a point about a map for dumping, though 10:21:41 <|amethyst> it would really only be useful for debugging, and then you can adjust the stream manually 10:22:16 * kilobyte wonders if there's a way to do a kind of COLOURED_DUMPS outside my own environment. 10:22:44 it's great for knowing which vault went where, but it requires reading with "less -R" or equivalent 10:22:55 <|amethyst> kilobyte: could do HTML :P 10:23:11 ansi2html would work for that, yeah, but be hard to read locally 10:23:41 or possibly there's some other way of marking vaults without colour 10:24:11 using fancy Unicode letters like fraktur or double-strike math letters? 10:24:22 or combining characters, perhaps 10:24:23 <|amethyst> kilobyte: but for online players at least we could do HTML dumps and it would I think just need a smallish tweak to the bots 10:24:25 hrm no, our maps are mostly . and # 10:25:03 <|amethyst> kilobyte: use · and ♯ 10:25:06 |amethyst: using ansi on the disk and a cgi script for www could do this 10:25:27 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:27 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:25:28 <|amethyst> kilobyte: yeah, or even just some javascript :P 10:25:40 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 10:25:46 distinct characters like · and ♯ would be hard to read when there's more than 1-2 vaults on the level 10:25:48 <|amethyst> spread the load 10:26:08 * kilobyte seen the 6 colours wrap over twice. Wasn't that nice to read that dump. 10:26:23 -!- SamB has joined ##crawl-dev 10:26:45 <|amethyst> I wonder what percentage of people have 88-colour or better support 10:26:57 Zaba: this COLOURED_DUMPS thing seems to be especially good for finding maps vetoed due to a vault being opaque 10:27:05 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:27:08 I would imagine so 10:27:09 <|amethyst> unfortunately, no one sets their terminfo to actually say how many colours they have 10:27:37 <|amethyst> I do, and it means I have to change my TERM when logging into older machines or other OSes that don't have the huge ncurses term db 10:28:23 I checked it: Debian's rxvt sucks (unless you install rxvt-unicode-256color, basically any other terminal can handle them fine 10:28:30 you need to ignore TERM of course 10:28:49 <|amethyst> right, and putty does too 10:28:56 <|amethyst> it wasn't Linux users I was worried about 10:28:59 <|amethyst> what about Mac? 10:29:04 rxvt and rxvt-unicode have pretty much nothing to do with one another :P 10:29:22 and on the Linux console, you need kernel 3.13 to have a possibility of a working fallback 10:29:37 <|amethyst> oh, right 10:29:41 <|amethyst> forgot about the console 10:30:11 * kilobyte wasted three months by misunderstanding the merge window rules. 10:30:33 <|amethyst> the state of the Linux console makes me think of it mostly as a tool for debugging broken X servers 10:30:56 you seem to imply that there exist non-broken X server ;) 10:30:58 +s 10:31:19 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:32:35 true :p 10:35:00 -!- Fhqwhgads__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:35:04 what does .special property of tile_flv mean? 10:35:30 <|amethyst> // Used as a random value or for special cases e.g. (bazaars, gates). 10:35:44 <|amethyst> it's supposed to be the variant of the tile 10:35:45 the lkml web interface seems broken: there's is only one message listed below https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/9/12/313, and it returns an empty page 10:36:02 thought like that befure 10:36:04 before 10:36:12 but cant find anything like that in the code 10:36:31 speaking of bazaar/etc features, I'd want to split them instead of using DNGN_ENTER_PORTAL_VAULT with an override 10:37:06 <|amethyst> yeah 10:37:23 <|amethyst> and then can we get rid of wizard portals? 10:37:29 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:37:53 these might be somewhat nice, but then, it's nothing &~ can't do 10:37:59 that would be good in principle, but it'd add a lot of boilerplate 10:38:13 no more than branch stairs 10:38:27 <|amethyst> Zaba: not necessarily if you keep them in order and leave padding in the structure 10:38:33 <|amethyst> Zaba: in the enum I mean 10:39:12 kilobyte, well, yes, those are already pretty bad 10:39:20 or, could possibly have a single enum for "branch stair" with the branch in tgrid 10:39:28 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:25 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:41:03 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:41:03 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9872 10:41:16 -!- reaver_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:25 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: is it possible to make death cobs actually scary? 10:42:57 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7107/7854926208_aea21efef7.jpg 10:43:18 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/721333/zombie 10:43:25 -!- blackflare has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:43:46 kilobyte, I generally don't like the idea of multiplexing of features (or branches, as it was done with portal vaults before your changes). It would just be nicer if the demultiplexed implementation didn't need so much code (or data) repetition 10:44:06 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 10:44:06 -!- Vaporware has quit [Changing host] 10:44:06 -!- Vaporware has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:53 -!- reaver_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:45:54 <|amethyst> we're a good way towards demultiplexing traps 10:46:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 10:46:16 <|amethyst> I guess there are still shops though 10:47:15 -!- reaver_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:27 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:47:30 it'd also be nice if vault-overridden features (or monsters) were proper in all the same ways as built-in ones 10:47:49 but hardcoding them all would kind of defeat the purpose 10:48:24 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:48:49 -!- floatboth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:48:50 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7673 10:49:25 <|amethyst> solving that one without being slow is not completely trivial 10:49:44 <|amethyst> I guess you could check "does it have an override of some sort", and only if true do the regexp match 10:49:52 I demultiplexed all "magic" traps already 10:50:24 let's put mechanical ones into _0_ rather than one feature 10:50:24 <|amethyst> kilobyte: so currently the only ones that are multiplexed are the weapon traps? 10:50:31 yes 10:50:48 <|amethyst> maybe keep TRAP_PLATE 10:51:10 <|amethyst> and for the vaults that really want weapon traps, let them implement it in lua 10:52:03 -!- GuraKKa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:13 <|amethyst> btw, should passage of golubria maybe get DCHAR_TELEPORTER instead of DCHAR_TRAP ? 10:54:28 <|amethyst> since it also ignores -TELE etc 10:54:49 <|amethyst> that would free up one colour for traps 10:56:01 are mechanical traps still being randomly generated? 10:56:49 <|amethyst> Zaba: no 10:57:06 <|amethyst> Zaba: but there are still some vaults (ossuaries etc) that use them 10:57:29 could try to think of something more interesting for them 10:58:25 <|amethyst> Zaba: maybe that ossuary where you have alternating rooms of monsters and traps could have monsters that spring out of the ground around you once you're inside the room 11:05:02 <|amethyst> ??it[$] 11:05:03 it[33/33]: It disappears in a puff of smoke! 11:05:18 -!- tbigye has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:05:33 <|amethyst> I wonder if it might be better overall to return "something" rather than "it" for the name of an unseen monster 11:06:06 <|amethyst> How many "it" messages would that make worse? 11:06:30 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:07:55 <|amethyst> !learn add grammer You disappears! 11:07:55 grammer[1/1]: You disappears! 11:08:26 <|amethyst> (fixed about a week ago) 11:10:28 * geekosaur wonders if the other typo there was deliberate :p 11:12:59 -!- tenofswords has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:24 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 11:15:01 is there anything inherently dangerous to vault-to-level connectivity by changing properties of @s (like KFEATing them)? 11:15:16 MDvedh is stronk 11:15:21 Fixed that :p 11:16:34 tenofswords: according to docs kfeating @s are ok 11:17:03 merde 11:17:04 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-890-g996e7c2 (34) 11:17:35 |amethyst: how do I submit my patch to mantis? 11:18:16 it'd be nice if there was more than one (three?) person(s) who could help me with my mangling use of procedural.worley_diff and procedural.transform.polar_inverse 11:18:22 but a lot of things would be nice 11:18:59 what is there not to get with mantis 11:20:14 i'm not using git 11:20:26 ah, that'd make a lot of problems 11:20:30 should I manually do that .patch file? 11:20:59 without all those fancy ++++ ----? 11:21:36 MDvedh: Where are your changes right now? 11:21:38 while it'd be good for looking at some of the content in the far end, it kind of misses the main point of a patch (applying it) 11:22:00 though it'd be more than worthwhile to at least look at that content itself 11:22:01 reaver_: i've manually changed .cc file on my pc 11:22:10 Do you have git installed? 11:22:15 msysgit 11:22:28 do you at least have the patch command? it can apply those diffs 11:22:32 Ideally you should make a branch before making changes. It makes it much easier to build a patch. 11:22:51 doh 11:22:55 crazy talk 11:23:41 just keep full modified copies, reset your entire crawl copy, and then manually throw everything in every time you make commits 11:25:04 so what should i do right now? 11:25:11 make whatever I changed a branch 11:25:17 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:25:17 And then reload the first one? 11:26:07 MDvedh: there's probably a command to just make a patch relative to the head, but I don't know what it is off hand. 11:26:13 How many commits is it? 11:26:28 if you've ,made changes to the live tree and want to move them to a branch: git stash save; git stash branch newbranchname 11:27:04 ^that sounds good. 11:29:01 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:29:02 -!- Vherid has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:29:12 tried to git stash save 11:29:26 MDvedh: What happened? 11:29:30 it told me a bunch of warnings 11:29:39 Like what? 11:29:40 Is that ok? 11:29:59 Copy Paste the warnings to the rc channel. 11:30:19 LF will be replaced by CRLF in crawl-ref/whatever 11:30:45 I think there's a commit hook that cleans those up 11:30:48 <|amethyst> MDvedh: commit your code 11:30:51 <|amethyst> err 11:31:04 <|amethyst> fix the crlf stuff first, but i don't know about that 11:31:25 so 11:31:25 <|amethyst> MDvedh: to get a good patch for mantis, commit your code and then do git format-patch HEAD^ 11:31:26 windows <-> unix development can be annoying, but that's what commit hooks are for :) 11:31:46 <|amethyst> MDvedh: or, better, commit it on a branch then do git format-patch master 11:31:47 i'm gonna save all my codings elsewhere 11:32:06 And then clone git again 11:32:12 And then do a branch 11:32:18 MDvedh: That would make it worse 11:32:21 <|amethyst> don't need to clone git again 11:32:24 why? 11:32:35 <|amethyst> is your stuff committed right now? 11:32:58 MDvedh: If you copy paste the changes back in git won't recognize the similarities. I'll treat it as deleting than recreating the files. 11:33:02 |amethyst: CHILDREN OF THE CORN 11:33:14 I'm new into git and that makes no sense for me at the moment 11:33:16 <|amethyst> reaver_: no, git doesn't work that way 11:33:41 git doesn't make a lot of sense in general :) 11:33:52 hurr-durr 11:33:58 <|amethyst> reaver_: it goes by file content, not really the notion of continuity of identity that svn or cvs has 11:34:23 So 11:34:28 |amethyst: That's weird. When I've pasted things into files in the paste it's treated it like differences. 11:34:28 What should I do :( 11:34:47 <|amethyst> MDvedh: so you made some changes, but haven't committed them or anything yet? 11:34:59 <|amethyst> what does git status say? 11:35:03 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:35:38 nothing added to commit but untracked files present 11:35:45 untracked files are ok i believe 11:35:50 Wait a second. 11:36:05 MDvedh: That means you haven't commited or added anything. 11:36:16 But I've changed my .cc files 11:36:18 MDvedh: You need to "add" files to git before you commit them. 11:36:19 Manually 11:36:22 <|amethyst> MDvedh: but it does list your changed files under "not scheduled for commit" 11:36:28 <|amethyst> MDvedh: right? 11:36:49 <|amethyst> err, "Changes not staged for commit:" 11:36:52 |amethyst: it only says I have one untracked files 11:37:01 MDvedh: If you want git to recognize your changes you need to do "git add foo.cc" followed by "git commit" 11:37:13 Otherwise it ignores the changes. 11:37:28 <|amethyst> MDvedh: what does git show say? 11:37:31 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:48 <|amethyst> it should show you a commit, does it look like your changes? 11:38:07 i did git add tileview.cc but my git status didn't change 11:38:29 <|amethyst> the file is unchanged 11:38:30 MDvedh: are you in the source folder? Otherwise you need the directory in front of it. 11:38:50 Yes i'm in the source folder 11:38:53 Wait a second 11:39:00 <|amethyst> either it's already been committed, it's been stashed, or your changes have been lost 11:39:15 <|amethyst> or you're in the wrong repository :) 11:39:27 git show shows me some pile of code i didn't add 11:39:32 MDvedh: didn't you type git save stash earlier? 11:39:42 reaver_: I ded 11:39:44 did 11:39:45 -!- beef42 has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:39:48 <|amethyst> MDvedh: okay, so that's expected, it means your code isn't committed 11:39:49 <|amethyst> ohh 11:39:52 <|amethyst> you stashed it 11:39:53 <|amethyst> okay 11:40:06 :( 11:40:08 <|amethyst> so now do git checkout -b mdvedh-changes 11:40:12 Im gonna smoke rightnow 11:40:24 <|amethyst> that will make a new branch and switch to it 11:40:35 <|amethyst> then you do git stash pop to reapply your stashed changes 11:40:49 <|amethyst> then git add -u to add all changed files (not counting untracked ones) 11:40:57 <|amethyst> or you can manually git add individual files 11:41:31 <|amethyst> then git commit and type your commit message (A one-line summary, then a blank line, then any number of lines) 11:42:19 <|amethyst> finally, after you commit, git format-patch master will make a diff file with your commit and your metadata (commit message, date, name) 11:42:41 <|amethyst> then you can upload that to mantis 11:43:09 <|amethyst> the idea is to leave alone the "remote-tracking" branches like master 11:44:02 <|amethyst> and to do all your work in separate branches (or a branch), so that it's always easy to update your stuff to our current version of master 11:44:19 <|amethyst> without your changes in the master branch causing problems with pulling updates 11:45:40 <|amethyst> MDvedh: also, if you haven't yet you might want to look in docs/develop/git/quickstart.txt 11:46:00 I watched there but i've started too quickly :) 11:46:03 MDvedh: A full, if slightly obtuse, guide to git is here: http://git-scm.com/book 11:48:01 I've entered a message 11:48:08 What should I hit to commit it already? 11:48:44 MDvedh: git uses vim to edit by default. 11:49:04 I'm not into unix by any means :( 11:49:27 So which key should I press? :( 11:49:31 Hit escape then enter I think? 11:49:43 Doesn't work 11:49:54 hit ZZ 11:50:03 worked now 11:50:05 Thanks 11:50:38 <|amethyst> oh, I figured msysgit would use something like nano instead 11:51:12 <|amethyst> but I guess it is intended more for Unix developers who must work on Windows, so vi makes sense 11:51:38 Well 11:51:42 I have a problem now :) 11:51:57 What? 11:52:07 By strange ocassion the file I've commited also contains some changes irrelevant to bugfix 11:52:10 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:30 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:52:30 And they shouldn't be in that commit i guess 11:52:35 Did you change it earlier? 11:52:40 Yup 11:52:57 <|amethyst> splitting commits is a little tricky but not impossible 11:53:11 Would git ammend work? 11:53:35 it doesn't 11:53:38 <|amethyst> you still have to undo the changes, but if they're small you could do that manually and git commit --amend, yes 11:54:07 MDvedh: (This btw is why you use branches. If your earlier changes and this one were in different branches this never would have happened) 11:54:09 does ammend reverts the changes? 11:54:24 or what? 11:54:25 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:54:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:47 <|amethyst> MDvedh: no, it modifies the commit to reflect the current state of the index (what has been added) 11:54:53 ah ok 11:54:54 Got it 11:54:59 <|amethyst> MDvedh: you still have to undo the irrelevant changes somehow 11:55:08 Yes, I probably can do that. 11:55:10 <|amethyst> MDvedh: if they're small enough to do that manually that might be easiest 11:55:11 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:45 |amethyst: How did you learn so much about git? Just experience? 11:55:57 <|amethyst> otherwise you can do man git-rebase and read up under "splitting commits" 11:56:07 <|amethyst> reaver_: yes, most of it on this project 11:56:37 <|amethyst> reaver_: and getting advice from people who know more than I, and reading the manpages and other docs for fun 11:57:00 <|amethyst> (i.e. reading about things that I don't even know I need) 11:57:07 I don't quite get it 11:57:19 What are branches? 11:57:25 Copies of my project? 11:57:33 MDvedh: Yes, with different changes. 11:57:34 <|amethyst> MDvedh: essentially, yes 11:57:49 <|amethyst> MDvedh: each branch can have its own set of changes 11:58:18 So you'll have one person changing up the AI code and another changing how elemental evokers work. Later they'll be "merged" and somebody will go though and find anywhere they both changed things. 11:58:21 So now I have two copies of every source file? 11:58:30 <|amethyst> MDvedh: it's not actually stored that way on disk 11:58:42 doh 11:59:01 MDvedh: No, git just stores the commits. It won't take up that much space. You can treat it like that for most purposes though. 11:59:08 <|amethyst> MDvedh: git keeps one "working copy", one "index" with the changes you have git-added, and the repository itself with (compressed) copies of every version of every file 11:59:30 <|amethyst> MDvedh: but since most commits only change a few files, "every version" isn't as many as you might expect 11:59:45 Yeah, now I get it 11:59:59 I still have the same set of files in every branch 12:00:26 <|amethyst> so git just stores "this branch has this file" using the hash of the file 12:01:04 Well now I reverted non-related changes in my file 12:01:15 But git still doesn't see it 12:01:19 <|amethyst> MDvedh: now you can do git add -u or git add myfile 12:01:24 <|amethyst> MDvedh: then git commit --amend 12:01:30 ok 12:01:43 <|amethyst> MDvedh: whenever you make a change, you have to add it first, which puts it in the "index" 12:01:54 <|amethyst> commands like commit only work with the index 12:01:57 Oh 12:01:59 It worked 12:02:31 I guess I should read some docs... 12:02:34 Thank you all guys 12:02:40 <|amethyst> The manual index thing is a little annoying at first, but it's very nice because it lets you do things like splitting commits 12:02:49 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:03:14 MDvedh: You saw the manual I linked to right? 12:03:19 <|amethyst> (with the help of commands like git mergetool and git add -i) 12:03:21 Yup 12:03:24 Ill study it 12:04:17 One of the first things you might want to read up on is git rebase, which is very helpful when master moves forward while you're building your patch. 12:05:05 <|amethyst> first things first, get comfortable with adding, committing, and switching and making branches 12:05:45 <|amethyst> and git pull / git fetch 12:05:59 -!- aimeelou has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:06:34 <|amethyst> And remember that, when you want to switch branches, you need to stash or commit your changes first 12:06:38 <|amethyst> so get into that habit 12:07:30 <|amethyst> (stash for "oops, I didn't want to do that in master", commiting for "I'm not done with this branch yet but want to save my changes" 12:07:33 <|amethyst> ) 12:08:16 <|amethyst> also stashing for "well, that didn't work, but maybe I'll come back to it some day", though really you could use a new branch for things like that 12:09:03 So do I have any means of reverting changes in my source files? 12:09:13 in my ACTUAL source files 12:09:18 not branch-shit or whatever 12:09:18 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 12:09:33 fixed "FTILE:" displayed incorrectly by MDvedh 12:09:44 <|amethyst> MDvedh: depends on what exactly you want to do 12:09:51 well 12:09:53 nevermind 12:10:03 <|amethyst> MDvedh: you're done working on this thing, so you want to work on another thing without having these changes mixed in? 12:10:21 <|amethyst> MDvedh: then you can check out master and check out a new branch and work there 12:11:17 <|amethyst> whenever you switch branches, it changes all the source files in your directory to match that branch 12:11:27 <|amethyst> which is why it complains if you have uncommitted changes 12:11:38 -!- DaneiTHREE has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:13:21 <|amethyst> (also, git checkout -b newbranch master lets you make and checkout a new branch based on master in one step) 12:14:11 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:48 So if i didn't commit any changes to master then i shouldn't switch back if I don't want to lose all my currently-uncommited irreleveant changes? 12:15:08 <|amethyst> it won't let you switch back if you have uncommitted changes 12:15:21 <|amethyst> you have to stash them, commit them, or revert them 12:15:27 Ah ok 12:15:29 Thanks 12:15:35 <|amethyst> and again, don't commit changes to master 12:15:48 Yeah, I've got it. 12:15:51 <|amethyst> if you do that will just make it harder to keep up-to-date with use 12:15:53 <|amethyst> s/use/us/ 12:16:15 s/use/us/ ? 12:16:34 Means replace use w/us 12:16:41 <|amethyst> MDvedh: correcting myself using a regular expression substitution. I wrote "use" but meant "us" 12:17:00 MDvedh: so what's the patch going to do anyway? 12:17:12 <|amethyst> reaver_: already in mantis 12:17:19 <|amethyst> 13:09:33 < Cheibriados> fixed "FTILE:" displayed incorrectly by MDvedh 12:17:45 <|amethyst> MDvedh: I see one problem 12:18:11 <|amethyst> MDvedh: when working on crawl, you should set up your text editor not to use tabs 12:18:39 |amethyst: got it, to be fixed 12:18:52 <|amethyst> MDvedh: here's how you can fix it easily 12:19:13 <|amethyst> MDvedh: back in your branch, run util/checkwhite 12:19:24 <|amethyst> that's a perl script that fixes up whitespace in the source 12:19:48 <|amethyst> check the result (it might have indented it too far if it thought you had 8-char tabs), then git add and git commit --amend it 12:20:04 <|amethyst> then you can upload the corrected commit to mantis 12:20:25 <|amethyst> or don't, and the committer can fix it :) 12:20:29 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:49 -!- tsohg has quit [Client Quit] 12:23:39 <|amethyst> MDvedh: also, util/unbrace is useful (we as a rule don't use braces if both the condition and body are one line each) 12:23:51 <|amethyst> MDvedh: but I'm handling that 12:24:50 <|amethyst> MDvedh: also, if you're uploading a fix for a particular bug you'd usually just upload the patch to that bug (then you can add the "patch" tag but don't have to) 12:25:09 <|amethyst> MDvedh: or at least add a relationship between the two bugs on mantis 12:25:22 <|amethyst> MDvedh: not to complain 12:25:48 <|amethyst> MDvedh: we're happy to get fixes at all 12:25:57 I can probably close my past report? 12:26:00 Or I can't? 12:26:29 <|amethyst> a dev will have to mark it as resolved 12:26:57 <|amethyst> then you can mark it as closed (essentially, "yes, I agree that it's completely fixed") 12:27:14 <|amethyst> in practice there's not much difference between resolved and closed 12:27:41 <|amethyst> I'll close it once I test your patch (it's compiling now) 12:28:38 How do I close it? 12:28:45 Cant find it :( 12:29:01 <|amethyst> I haven't marked it as resolved yet so you probably can't 12:29:17 -!- gammafunk_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:27 <|amethyst> what are the buttons just below the "attached files" box? 12:29:41 <|amethyst> I haven't used mantis as a non-committer in quite some time 12:30:16 <|amethyst> Here there's "Change Status To" and a dropdown, but that might only show up for you once it's marked as resolved 12:30:20 Monitor issue button only. 12:30:33 Ok, thanks for the hlp 12:30:38 I have to go now :) 12:31:04 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:32:13 <|amethyst> thanks 12:32:38 <|amethyst> I still think flavour, or at least its random seed, should eventually be saved 12:33:42 <|amethyst> I just noticed when looking over it that even trees change 12:34:51 MDvedh: you don't need to follow every single rule of the coding style, there's enough style nazis around. It's better to concentrate on the code's meat first. 12:34:58 +1 to saving flavour 12:35:05 -!- MDvedh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:35:22 might be easier to do it via a hash(level's seed, coords) 12:36:26 <|amethyst> kilobyte: I was kind of thinking even save computer flavour like gate-partness 12:36:32 <|amethyst> s/puter/puted/ 12:36:52 <|amethyst> kilobyte: that way if we have a bug about that, it won't be hidden across a save/restore 12:37:29 <|amethyst> kilobyte: otoh, one could say "fixed" instead of "hidden" and make the argument the other way 12:38:13 <|amethyst> do we even compute that flavour in console? 12:38:19 <|amethyst> I guess that would be a problem 12:38:56 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-891-g97aa533: Refactor pairs of asserts to ASSERT_RANGE. 10(9 hours ago, 3 files, 5+ 10-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=97aa533c25de 12:38:56 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-892-ge13d3ce: Drop a pointless variable. 10(19 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e13d3ce54696 12:38:56 03kilobyte02 07* 0.14-a0-893-g072d481: Make Depths exit a regular branch stair. 10(8 hours ago, 3 files, 3+ 12-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=072d4819540d 12:38:59 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:39:13 <|amethyst> (I haven't run or built console much since webtiles crawl started being webtiles-optional 12:40:50 -!- Ipsum_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:41:02 03MDvedh02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-894-gb470dc0: Fixed "FTILE: " displayed incorrectly after reload (#7748) 10(57 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=b470dc0899a1 12:42:50 -!- fungee has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:43:17 -!- reaver_ has quit [] 12:43:42 03MDvedh02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-30-gfba5cf8: Fixed "FTILE: " displayed incorrectly after reload (#7748) 10(59 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fba5cf892eb1 12:44:46 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:17 |amethyst: What do you say to moving learndb to Sequell and making Henzell announce-only 12:45:22 <|amethyst> !tell MDvedh I closed #7748 myself, but left #7753 for you to close 12:45:23 |amethyst: OK, I'll let mdvedh know. 12:45:38 Maybe make Henzell use the Sizzell code 12:45:48 <|amethyst> greensnark: learndb and all the other stuff, yeah 12:45:52 And then apply the spam-reduction suggestions :) 12:45:57 <|amethyst> greensnark: exactly (sizzell is just gretell) 12:46:24 <|amethyst> henzell is the only active announce bot that's not based on gretell 12:46:24 Ok awesome 12:46:42 I can move LearnDB & misc over now 12:47:04 As for setting up Gretell, what's the canonical Gretell repo? 12:47:30 <|amethyst> okay, but you're responsible for restarting Henzell etc :) 12:47:45 <|amethyst> http://git.develz.org/?p=gretell.git;a=summary git://git.develz.org/gretell.git 12:47:59 <|amethyst> hm, where do I keep sizzell 12:48:36 Oh sure, that sounds within my ability :) 12:50:57 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 12:53:22 <|amethyst> greensnark: https://github.com/neilmoore/sizzell is sizzell 12:53:55 -!- johlstei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:56 Cool, thanks 12:54:11 Got to love one file bots :) 12:54:14 <|amethyst> %version 12:54:15 trunk: 0.14-a0-883-g02d7e00; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 12:54:33 <|amethyst> I need to fix that for newer branches 12:56:18 -!- Sizzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:38 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:56:39 <|amethyst> %version 12:56:39 trunk: 0.14-a0-883-g02d7e00; 0.13: 0.13.0-29-gdb529de; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 12:56:52 <|amethyst> hm, we never did a 0.10.4 huh 12:57:47 <|amethyst> ah, no, we git 12:57:49 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:57:49 <|amethyst> did 12:57:52 <|amethyst> %git 0.10.4^ 12:57:52 07kilobyte02 * 0.10.3-18-gacdca3a: Revert "Don't clear wall/floor flavour when builder replaces a feature." 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=acdca3aa6ddb 12:58:04 -!- rax has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 12:58:13 <|amethyst> but cszo last compiled 0.10 before it was tagged 12:58:18 <|amethyst> %git 0.10.4 12:58:18 07edlothiol02 {|amethyst} * 0.10.4: Clean up the webtiles socket when crashing. 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6f05415f1621 12:58:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:58:33 <|amethyst> yeah, that's exactly the same commit as on cszo 12:59:54 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:16 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:05:29 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:06:21 !messages 13:06:43 Urm, why isn't the bot responding? 13:06:50 <|amethyst> TZer0: henzell is away 13:07:05 <|amethyst> TZer0: clan webtiles need either a restart or a hanging crawl process killed 13:07:17 on it. 13:07:33 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:39 -!- Burer has quit [Changing host] 13:07:40 * geekosaur managed to already forget and tried to look something up in pm, oops 13:07:52 <|amethyst> TZer0: if it's the same thing as on CAO, you can strace -p the python server.py process, find the socket it's hanging on, and kill the corresponding crawl process 13:08:00 <|amethyst> TZer0: but restart should work too 13:08:13 Webtiles server restarted. 13:08:15 taking forever to restart. 13:08:27 hmmm 13:08:29 <|amethyst> TZer0: you might have to manually kill -9 it 13:08:38 there 13:08:40 should be up now 13:08:55 \o/ 13:10:40 Webtiles server stopped. 13:10:58 Webtiles server started. 13:12:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:17 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:39 -!- Lantell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:13:51 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:48 In the interests of sanity I might purge the seendb 13:16:08 And I am seriously on the fence on the need to backup !tell messages :P 13:17:01 Actually messages are tiny apparently 13:17:07 Good riddance to seendb 13:19:39 nice seening you, seendb :p 13:20:18 -!- Sequell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:20:34 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:00 !seen Sequell 13:21:01 Sorry simmarine, I haven't seen sequell. 13:21:11 !seen Henzell 13:21:11 Sorry kilobyte, I haven't seen henzell. 13:21:21 !seen kilobyte 13:21:21 I last saw kilobyte at Sat Nov 16 19:21:11 2013 UTC (10s ago) saying '!seen Henzell' on ##crawl-dev. 13:21:37 -!- TROGSTEIN has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:01 The only problem with this merge right now is that it's rather easy to knock Sequell off the channel with a bad !lg query 13:22:14 * kilobyte suspects almost all of telldb consists of misspelled recipients 13:22:23 I had been wondering why Henzell wasn't simply cloned 13:24:18 -!- Burer has quit [Quit: Держи гранату, баклан!] 13:27:46 |amethyst: Thanks for making CAO look almost exactly like CSZO :D 13:28:58 <|amethyst> greensnark: I'm fundamentally lazy :) 13:29:21 -!- Burer has quit [Changing host] 13:32:25 -!- johlstei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:32:30 -!- Burer has quit [Client Quit] 13:32:40 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:26 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:26 -!- Vherid_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:35:33 !players 13:35:39 :P 13:35:43 No players. 13:35:49 Ahem 13:35:54 -!- Henzell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:35:59 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:58 -!- Vherid has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:37:13 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:38:22 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-31-gf7ae1a6: Don't shaft stationary nets (#7714) 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 10+ 14-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7ae1a6f2b62 13:38:22 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-32-g15a588a: Don't "cling into" dangerous clouds (#7725). 10(7 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=15a588ae3f64 13:38:22 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-33-g1595e00: Fix gearset saving problem. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1595e00dfdcc 13:38:22 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-34-g9b18a47: Wizmode command &^U for a clua prompt. 10(35 hours ago, 4 files, 13+ 8-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9b18a47c00ef 13:38:22 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-35-ga171c3a: Make statue-form vampires poison-immune. 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a171c3a09205 13:39:21 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:39:21 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 13:40:18 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:58 -!- OCTOTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:43:59 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:44:03 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:44:09 -!- Fhqwhgads__ is now known as Fhqwhgads_ 13:44:46 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:46:03 -!- TROGSTEIN has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:43 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 13:46:52 -!- TROGSTEIN has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:46:59 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 13:47:04 How does Napking serve the learndb from the CDO web page? 13:47:10 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:48:18 <|amethyst> probably pulling it from CAO by http 13:48:28 <|amethyst> /var/www/learndb and /var/www/learndb.html are broken links now 13:49:30 Hmm I could restore the links until Napkin has time to pull from the new location 13:49:45 Or hey, 301 13:49:53 web power 13:49:55 <|amethyst> :) 13:50:01 ??learndb 13:50:02 learndb[1/13]: A html page of learndb entries is at http://crawl.akrasiac.org/learndb.html . You can also access the learndb at http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots . 13:51:15 -!- TROGSTEIN has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:51:43 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:52:25 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07* 0.14-a0-895-g6faf500: Remove colons in wizmode command overview 10(19 hours ago, 1 file, 79+ 79-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=6faf500b7f62 13:52:25 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-896-gfb2ed50: Improve &^[TU] description (ChrisOelmueller) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=fb2ed50aaeaa 13:52:25 03|amethyst02 07* 0.14-a0-897-g166d3c9: Shorten the last &? straggler. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=166d3c99494c 13:52:42 -!- CampinSam has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:54:22 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:56:07 -!- CampinSam` is now known as CampinSam 13:57:40 03kilobyte02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-36-g549cd81: Document & ^C 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=549cd81cc9b7 13:57:40 03ChrisOelmueller02 {|amethyst} 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-37-ge2a1747: Remove colons in wizmode command overview 10(19 hours ago, 1 file, 79+ 79-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=e2a1747a0926 13:57:40 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-38-g958154c: Improve &^[TU] description (ChrisOelmueller) 10(12 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=958154c29339 13:57:40 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.13] * 0.13.0-39-g024a69c: Shorten the last &? straggler. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=024a69cebca2 13:58:10 <|amethyst> greensnark: did you do something? 13:58:15 <|amethyst> greensnark: I can't ssh to CAO 13:58:34 Whuh 13:58:38 No 13:58:39 <|amethyst> greensnark: it still responds to pings 13:58:45 I'm still sshed in. 13:58:58 <|amethyst> I can't make a new connection 13:58:58 greensnark: can you check that sshd is alive then? 13:59:05 -!- johlstei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:08 <|amethyst> there we go 13:59:34 The box is pretty sluggish 14:00:37 -!- rax has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:00:57 <|amethyst> apache is kind of high on iotop, and it looks like mysql was doing something too 14:01:31 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:35 some kind of (accidental?) DoS? 14:01:57 i.e. what's being requested that takes so much work? 14:01:58 I added a rewriterule to apache 14:02:10 But I doubt that caused the lag spike because I just reloaded the config now 14:02:32 -!- valtern_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:02:55 Bamforgor (L18 GrFi) (D (Sprint)) 14:03:55 <|amethyst> not that iotop was showing particularly bad numbers 14:03:58 <|amethyst> nor was top 14:04:06 Could be the host machine having trouble 14:04:20 <|amethyst> oh, right, I forget that CAO is a vm 14:04:58 that must make the CPU usage % numbers kind of ... strange 14:05:06 <|amethyst> that would explain r a x getting kicked off 14:06:04 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:09:30 Lantea seems awfully laggy right now. 14:11:23 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:31 -!- valtern_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:12:33 Here: a spectral orc warlord, wielding an orcish halberd and wearing an orcish chain mail (summoned) t-t-thanks 14:17:38 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:20:32 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 14:22:49 channel? 14:24:32 -!- gammafunk_ has quit [Quit: gammafunk_] 14:35:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:41:21 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:55 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 14:42:26 as an Ash follower, is there any profit in using a manual for a skill you don't want, then transferring it to a skill you do want? 14:43:08 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 14:44:16 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:04 -!- ezln is now known as chao 14:45:46 rast: there is but it's not worth it 14:46:03 I have one ash death where I feel that was a contributing factor (since you train something useless for a while) 14:46:20 is this mid game or lategame? 14:46:40 how useless is useless? 14:46:49 -!- valtern_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:46:59 on the other hand, I did use 2 manuals of ice on a MiGl with no ice but a staff of cold 14:47:20 and figured eventually I would get ice spells, if not I could transfer once I had a better weapon 14:47:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:47:52 so not strictly-speaking useless in that case 14:48:21 yes that one was not useless. I had a spen or ogne picking up manuals of polearms etc, that was the dead one 14:48:58 ah, yeah, training the wrong melee skill does seem like it won't do you ANY good in the short term 14:49:38 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 14:50:30 at this point i have armor and dodging at 20ish or so 14:50:54 and wondering if i should keep training them, or train something useless and transfer later 14:52:05 Just stop training armor and dodging. 14:52:22 Unless you're wearing like CPA and planning to cast in it, there's no point. 14:54:04 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 14:57:05 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:30 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:07:02 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:45 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:11:59 i tried wizmoding the ash manual stuff in a test. it was a really shitty test but from what i could tell its not really worth it. also as rchandra said youre probably training something useless unless its stealth and youre in light armour or something similar 15:12:14 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:34 !abyss henzell 15:12:34 bh casts a spell. henzell is devoured by a tear in reality! 15:14:12 ? 15:14:45 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:15:40 (if you've been trying to /msg for the learndb or etc., that got moved to Sequell so people can ignore game announcements without losing useful information) 15:17:03 oh really 15:17:15 maybe he should mention that if you try it in private 15:17:24 I was just thinking that actually 15:17:26 greensnark? 15:17:30