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Use !messages to read them. 05:29:20 I last saw Grunt at Thu Nov 14 06:02:12 2013 UTC (5h 27m 7s ago) saying '!lg * playable s=char / boring o=%' on ##crawl. 05:29:24 !messages 05:29:25 (1/2) rchandra said (1w 1d 12h 22m 22s ago): You're the Beogh person, right? I've always found Beogh far too annoying to play much, but I've finally played one since DracoOmega's recall and xp share patch. It's a lot more fun now and I'm really enjoying all the orc speech (praising me and so on :). 05:30:26 !tell rchandra jpeg implemented (the first version of) Beogh; she and I designed together. Thanks for the heads-up, I will get them to DracoOmega, too! 05:30:27 dpeg: OK, I'll let rchandra know. 05:30:29 !messages 05:30:30 (1/1) rchandra said (1d 11h 7m 10s ago): should Depths also get an announcement on the blog? 05:30:42 !seen Grunt 05:30:42 I last saw Grunt at Thu Nov 14 06:02:12 2013 UTC (5h 28m 30s ago) saying '!lg * playable s=char / boring o=%' on ##crawl. 05:37:45 03dpeg02 07* 0.14-a0-849-g1626a5b: Restrict Bailey range to D:7-13, Orc:1-3. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=1626a5bad551 05:53:38 * Keskitalo tries to recall Ice Cave (easy, hard) depths 05:54:51 ??ice_cave 05:54:52 ice cave[1/1]: A kind of portal vault, a la ossuaries and labyrinths. Expect lots of ice-related loot (rings of ice, manuals of ice magic, etc.) and fun things like ice statues, frost giants, and polar bear packs. Possible depths for easy ice caves are D:11-14, Lair:1-8, Orc:1-4 and Elf:1-2. Hard ice caves are in D:14-19, Elf:1-3 and Vaults:1-5. 06:00:38 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:01:04 -!- randart has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:12:06 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:15 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 06:12:31 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:14:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:14:16 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 06:17:38 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:18:02 -!- dagonfive has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:18:19 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:20:20 ??volcano 06:20:21 volcano[1/5]: A timed portal vault ("a dark tunnel") that shows up in Lair and Orc. Contains fire-themed monsters, fire-themed loot, and a great big whopping Volcano that explodes in flame clouds every now and then. Enjoy your stay, don't forget your cremation urn! 06:20:24 ??volcano[2] 06:20:25 volcano[2/5]: 1. TGW the Destroyer (L13 HECj), worshipper of Vehumet, engulfed by a cloud of freezing vapour in Volcano on 2009-12-28, with 50092 points after 33400 turns and 2:08:21. 06:32:34 -!- enedct has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:33:00 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:34:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:35:41 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:37:51 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:38:16 Keskitalo: ice cave is probably also pre-lock stuff 06:41:25 There's two variants of ice caves (this change happened in some version), easy and hard, and which maps/monster sets you get depends on the entrance depth.. so the other could be pre-lock, and the other post-lock 06:42:54 -!- Sargento has joined ##crawl-dev 06:47:47 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:49:19 -!- Tabesh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:49:34 Keskitalo: even better! 06:49:56 It's pretty much divided that way already. (: 06:50:50 Keskitalo: if you cannot do it yourself, please ask Grunt. 06:50:56 That leaves volcanoes. 06:51:33 I could do that, shouldn't take long at all and I haven't done anything in a while. (: 06:53:32 dpeg: default-depth is Lair, Orc, so no change necessary. 06:54:03 (volcanoes that is) 06:55:07 -!- conted has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:59:01 cool 06:59:16 Keskitalo: you missed all the drama 06:59:24 it didn't reach MD levels though 06:59:27 * dpeg is at a loss 07:00:00 rune lock drama? 07:00:04 yes! 07:01:26 well, it was added very early in the development cycle so we can see how it effects the game for the longest possible time before the release 07:01:36 that was the plan, indeed 07:01:51 Grunt did come up with the Depths change pretty quickly, though :) 07:01:55 I am too bad to get my formicids a rune, though :( 07:02:09 haha, as if he was sitting on the trigger <3 07:02:16 ahh, poison vulnerability hits hard huh? 07:02:24 nah, bad playing hits harder 07:02:28 hehe :) 07:02:29 the species rocks! 07:02:52 I always suspected that blinking and teleporation is for sissies. 07:02:56 that's great to hear, it looks interesting.. good contribution outside of the devteam once again 07:03:02 ah yes, that should be interesting :) 07:03:12 different escape tactics with dig and shafting 07:03:21 and sensing 07:03:31 it's a cool package 07:03:35 Forgot the antennae, I haven't played yet 07:03:39 sounds well thought out 07:03:46 nice synergy between features 07:03:59 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: yes] 07:04:04 I lack the time to play alas.. I just splatted my SpEn in a Bailey.. I started the character in March :P 07:04:20 Keskitalo: I know the feeling. Job or daughter? 07:04:44 Studies & daughter to be precise.. I have something like four months to wrap up 07:05:03 after that you'll be expelled? 07:07:15 well, the uni won't expell me, but I'm studying while unemployed and the employment office is somewhat strict about getting results :) 07:07:34 oh, good luck 07:07:53 hard work, but should be doable. 07:09:06 it'd be good to find a job before the time runs out but after most of the studies are done (: 07:09:41 yes, for more sound mental state 07:09:59 -!- UglyThing has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:10:31 -!- franklyn has quit [Client Quit] 07:11:44 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 07:15:43 -!- RZX has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:16:14 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:16:32 Does, say, DEPTH: D:12- include Depths as well? 07:17:03 I don't know, which is why I put D:7-14 (for the baileys) 07:17:58 Got to head home now. Cheers! 07:18:01 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:02 o/ 07:18:08 hi Marc :) 07:18:17 hey Eino :) 07:18:28 \o 07:18:34 und moin David :) 07:19:05 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:19:13 Napkin: Demnaechst gibt's ein RLRadio zu Nethack, wo aus ungeklaerten Gruenden auch ich was sagen darf 07:19:26 hehe, nice 07:19:40 I'll keep an eye open for it :) 07:20:09 will have to play on NAO for a bit, so I don't just recall 10 year old memories 07:21:05 refresh session sounds nice 07:21:14 * dpeg is a bit afraid of it 07:21:29 Nethack might have not improved over the last years. 07:21:39 don't play on NAO. it's "vanilla improved" by now. 07:21:50 for the real vanilla experience play in the devnull tournament :-) 07:21:51 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:22:09 bhaak: no way you're going to force-feed me the even more backwards vanilla interface :) 07:22:17 :-D 07:22:55 "I would like to save a game. Where do I have to insert my punchcard?" 07:24:32 lol 07:25:02 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:25:02 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 07:26:11 -!- tinybat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:31:51 I thought of dpeg as one of the participants as he's one of the best examples what can happen when you don't have a relly open development process. 07:32:30 and he likes to critizise stuff even if he doesn't know enough to do so. that means I need to put my foot into my mouth less often :-) 07:33:47 pffft! 07:34:32 I base my judgements on the most scrutinising research! 07:34:47 [citation needed] 07:35:23 * dpeg silently wonders if there's supposedly a correlation between knowledge and opinion. When was nonsense like this installed? 07:36:38 bhaak: unless you'll stop me from doing it, I will probably regurgitate my NH quest stuff (problem and proposed solution( 07:37:42 dpeg: who can stop you anyway? 07:37:48 my wife! 07:37:55 I don't have her number! 07:38:04 and I won't give it :) 07:40:25 problems and solutions are of course on topic. although I would still classify it as a minor thematically problem, compared to the fact that the quest is still interesting and nowhere as boring as gehennom or compared to the problem that the game is essentially won after the castle 07:41:03 bhaak: I agree. My point is more that story-telling by way of a screen full of text is not adequate in roguelikes 07:41:13 ...and that there would be a nice and cool solution 07:44:25 bhaak: you should give a summary about how the various forks address the two pressings issues (Gehennom, post-castle). Also, someone should try to remember stuff like Kelly Bailey's Hell^2. 07:45:42 -!- Morg0th has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:45:56 hell2 is one of the earliest patches that went into unnethack :) 07:46:16 now it is doubly as hellish 07:46:43 wait hold it 07:46:49 this is not the unnethack channel 07:46:55 bhaak: or Rob Ellwood.... it's been a long while 07:47:14 Adeon: no, this is ##crawl-dev discussing dead games. 07:47:37 yeah, poor crawl 07:47:40 it did show some promise 07:47:52 but I knew from start this was doomed to be a failure 07:47:54 dpeg: kelly bailey is correct but the name was wrong: Heck^2 07:50:35 bhaak: damn, but name is more important anyway 07:54:46 bhaak: did you invite Pat? 07:56:15 dpeg: no. this just doesn't feel right. inviting somebody who has probably forgotten everything about nethack already :) 07:56:28 He's the last dev talking :( 07:58:22 incoherently talking. the last bug report I did with a fix he replied to, he overlooked an embarassing bug by me! 07:59:10 that's on a very technical level... Pat is the only known devteam member to speak 07:59:33 it would be awesome to hear how and when they slowly faded out, and if nobody gave a damn or someone tried to open it 08:01:30 it's unlikeley he would be so open. he could have done that on RGRN several times 08:01:47 -!- Sargento has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:01:55 it's a different psychological situation, talking to actual people in real time, and with voice 08:02:09 the most suiting moment would have been when someone asked "hey devteam, how are you and can we do anything to help you speed up a release" 08:02:48 bhaak: well, now would still be a good moment to pass the baton, if a little delayed 08:03:32 I think that time has passed already a long time ago. 08:03:52 so do I, but having Pat in the session would be really worth it, trust me :) 08:04:12 * dpeg would at any time offer his seat to Pat 08:04:42 most of us would have to offer their seat to Pat. It would have to be more like the rogue episode then :) 08:05:26 hm, I guess *I* sould contact him =) 08:06:08 don't let my concerns stop you 08:06:14 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:06:34 half-asses opinion > sound information 08:07:10 just because you have only half-assed opinions doesn't mean there is nobody else on the show with sound information ;-) 08:07:40 and as I already said, the devteam members often don't remember why they did something the way they did it :) 08:08:31 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 08:09:15 I think it'll also help your cause if you can reply to the question: "Did you approach the devteam?" with "Sure, nobody answered." 08:09:30 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:10:02 I have history on my side :) 08:10:53 the way nethack was created (after 2(!) years of no updates of hack), resembles the way the various current forks were created quite a bit :) 08:11:46 but folks are interested in the inner turmoil of their former heroes! 08:12:56 also, it's not clear many forks is really better than one fork at this point 08:16:41 how many forks of dcss are there ATM? is crawl light still developped? are there so few forks because you snatch up any dev that doesn't hide fast enough? have you ever thought about if this could actually be somewhat of a problem? 08:17:41 not letting an idea grow outside of the main development process could mean that some ideas never get into DCSS at all? 08:17:54 bhaak: only one, and no, we didn't snatch away dtsund (and very little of his content -- more stuff should migrate from light to crawl, imo, but I am in no position to push this) 08:19:28 currently there are about 2 major forks of nethack in development and 2 or 3 with smaller goals. but it has almost always been that way if you look back at the history of nethack forks. of course, long time ago, changes in forks sometimes even became part of vanilla after a time. 08:19:41 forks are generally good (I always liked the idea about light, and said so -- there shouldn't be any fears); however, with Nethack I sometimes get the feeling that the various forks are standing in each other's way (especially as they're all competing for the vanilla players who're perhaps not the most adventurous bunch in the first place) 08:20:20 maybe some do. Although unnethack doesn't compete for the regular vanilla players. 08:21:31 in some sense the huge legacy of NH might be a burden (makes players more conservative, and devs perhaps more anxious about radical departures) -- scroll of punishment? :) 08:21:54 but now we have a situation that - to my knowledge - hasn't been there before. you have 2 major forks with larger devteams. one trying more or less actively appealing to the vanilla players (and IMO impeding themselves with that) and one fork that is - as I like to say it - how nethack would have looked like if the development didn't stop :) 08:22:41 yes, that sounds actually reasonable... will both parties be present on the show? 08:23:14 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:15 no, ais523 is the maintainer of nh4. 08:23:27 I didn't know he was all alone. 08:23:33 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:23:42 he isn't but he is the spiritual leader 08:25:15 the nh4 design idea is actually not that interesting. it is the same as the old "I want a new nethack but it shouldn't be different than the one I have now" mentality. this is walking a fine line and I really wonder if he succeeds at least partially 08:25:18 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:26:59 unnethack actually started as something similar. applying all standard patches + some of the more enjoyable improvements and what was the first comment I heard? "it's not different enough for me to try out" by Janis :-) 08:27:46 unnethack was trying to find a middle ground between nethack, sporkhack and slashem and I hope it's still somewhere in there 08:30:23 but keep that thought and bring it up on the show again, this would make good discussion material 08:36:22 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:42:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:44:58 yes (got distracted by work) 08:48:16 -!- Nexos is now known as fdel 08:48:45 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:51:25 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:51:33 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Disconnected by services] 08:52:00 -!- Sargento has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 09:19:00 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:23:48 -!- Hailley has quit [Quit: Petra is closed!] 09:44:50 -!- Bloax has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:15 -!- myrmidette has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:56:26 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:57:12 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:05 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:01:40 -!- Matejii has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:04:34 -!- Nstar has quit [] 10:05:43 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:05:53 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:08:58 -!- SupermanBananaX has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:10:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 10:14:08 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.14-a0-849-g1626a5b (34) 10:16:32 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-850-gdd4fd8c: Update Dungeon description 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=dd4fd8cea0c2 10:20:07 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:22:02 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:22:08 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:00 -!- scummos_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:26:05 -!- Bloax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:26:11 -!- Bloaxor has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:18 -!- Bloaxzorro has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:19 -!- Bloaxor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:30:07 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:36:25 * Grunt appears! 10:37:06 (Grunt slips into the shadows!) 10:37:10 dpeg: pong! 10:37:16 * Grunt strikes at dpeg from the darkness! 10:45:35 -!- PolkaDot has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:45:38 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Quit: paulsomebody] 10:56:54 -!- Sargento has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:00:38 -!- rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00:40 -!- DracheReborn has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:02:24 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:05:39 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.14-a0-850-gdd4fd8c (34) 11:05:55 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:06:21 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:10:14 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:54 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:14:01 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:17:09 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:17:12 New unique: Blair, a tentacled Lugonu worshiper by Whales 11:21:09 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:22:56 sounds kind of cool 11:23:16 lots of distortion though 11:25:15 -!- maadneet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:27:14 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 11:31:46 -!- alefury has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Iceweasel 24.0/20130918041159]] 11:32:21 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 11:33:10 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:33 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:40:33 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Changing host] 11:40:33 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:54 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 11:46:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:50:48 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:53:36 -!- Sargento has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:30 -!- DrinkMachine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:56:53 -!- Nakatomy has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:57:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57:41 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:43 -!- Sargento has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:58:45 -!- gregunderscorem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:00:40 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:52 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:03:21 -!- alefury has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:49 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:04:45 Grunt: any opinion on removing Contam from the hat of the high council? it's been mentioned in a couple of places that it makes it very difficult to see what the effect of -Wiz will be 12:06:48 Archmagi -Wiz together still seems okay to me even if it can be swapped more easily, it's still worse than a plain enhancer usually (with the upside that you can't normally have an enhancer in the hat slot obviously) 12:11:06 -!- Nakat0my has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:18:04 -!- eith has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:32 MarvinPA: I intended Contam as more of a flavour thing (and more as part of the old original design), so I'm not especially attached to it staying there. 12:22:24 -!- SkaryMonk1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:08 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:23:44 -!- SkaryMonk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:28:09 -!- Valarioth_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:29:05 -!- Nakalein has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35:07 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:35:18 -!- Nstar has quit [] 12:36:09 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:19 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:48:20 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:02 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 12:50:07 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:51:59 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:52:03 -!- ZChris13_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:11 -!- ZChris13_ is now known as ZChris13 12:52:37 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:45 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:19 -!- Sargento has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:47 -!- Sargento has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:59:23 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:39 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 13:02:33 -!- Guest62734 is now known as SwissStopwatch 13:05:58 -!- SkaryMonk1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:07:49 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:10:17 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:33 -!- frank___ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:18:41 -!- juls has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 13:19:05 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:22:34 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 13:23:08 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:35 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:26:35 -!- inpho_ is now known as inpho 13:26:47 -!- valtern has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:27:17 -!- SkaryMonk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:36 -!- Brokkr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29:23 -!- Basil has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:31 -!- slifty has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:38:05 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:48:49 -!- Ipsum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:52:29 -!- WaspMonolith has quit [Client Quit] 13:55:04 -!- Sargento has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:18 -!- WaspMonolith has quit [Client Quit] 13:59:02 -!- Ladykiller69 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:29 -!- Sargento has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:59:30 has anyone ever thought of having the two unused lairbranches show up much later in the game in a much tougher form? 14:05:47 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:28 there's been some discussion of portal vault versions in late D^W^WDepths 14:14:35 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:17:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:18:40 -!- WaspMonolith has quit [Client Quit] 14:19:38 -!- magistern has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:20:52 -!- Nightbeer has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:04 -!- rath is now known as Guest46995 14:22:11 -!- Guest46995 is now known as uberrath 14:23:57 -!- Wensley_ is now known as Wensley 14:24:20 -!- uberrath has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:39 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:25:04 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 14:25:07 any bored devs want to fix my save on CSZO? i didn't get any entrances to the Abyss, prob due to Depths changes 14:25:09 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:25:39 -!- maahes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:26:31 -!- Venter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:30:09 uberrath: did you visit all through, what was it, D:17-27 again since last night's rebuild? 14:30:44 also consider distort unwields 14:30:49 SamB: I haven't covered every square again since last night 14:31:16 SamB: that's what I was going to do, but some people on forums said a dev might help me out so I don't starve trying to figure it out :) 14:31:32 <|amethyst> SamB: kilobyte's fix only handles Vaults and Zot 14:31:35 uberrath: well, if the fix covered abyss I believe you should have gotten a message when visiting the level where your abyss portal should have spawned before 14:31:42 ah 14:32:05 uberrath: well, I guess |amethyst could probably hook you up 14:32:20 uberrath: but if you found distortion you could use that too 14:32:30 <|amethyst> Hell is also missing 14:32:39 <|amethyst> which is a bit harder :) 14:32:41 yes 14:32:53 yeah i'm missing that too, but not too worried about it 14:33:03 i have 3 Pan entrances though! 14:33:26 I didn't get Psyche this game so if I have to run around checking brands I'm gonna be sad 14:33:45 go to pan and find a gate :p 14:34:18 my gear is terrible for having cleared everything but postgame, can I blame the changes on that too :) 14:34:40 <|amethyst> the _ensure_entry code won't handle it anyway, as brentry[BRANCH_VESTIBULE] is D:-1 in that save 14:36:53 |amethyst: is that supposed to happen? 14:40:45 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:06 -!- Crehl has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:58 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:44:12 -!- Nightbeer has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:45 -!- TacoSundae_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:48:13 -!- _dd has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:49:12 -!- Oregano is now known as Basil 14:49:49 ooh, I has idea for "fixing" that problem with wizmode monsters with specified equipment 14:49:55 <|amethyst> SamB: hm, I think so... old_entries[BRANCH_VESTIBULE] is NUM_BRANCHES 14:50:07 pretend we are doing map generation 14:51:14 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:52:11 -!- maahes has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:55:07 |amethyst: sorry I stepped away for a few, is there anything you can do to fix my abyss issue? 14:55:49 -!- Sargento has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:39 <|amethyst> uberrath: I'm trying to figure out where we can fix it automatically, but I suspect not. So I could edit your save. 14:57:03 |amethyst: appreciate you looking into it for me 14:59:42 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:00:47 -!- Sargento has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:00:53 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:16 <|amethyst> Grunt: uberrath didn't get an abyss or hell portal in his save (transferred from pre-split). Not sure why the fallback code for D:21 and D:25 didn't catch it (though I notice D:21 has a Pan portal, maybe that's related) 15:04:27 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:36 <|amethyst> uberrath: try it now 15:04:47 <|amethyst> uberrath: you have an abyss portal on D:25 and a hell portal on D:21 15:05:02 <|amethyst> (assuming it worked) 15:05:36 |amethyst: I'll check it out now and let you know, thanks again 15:06:28 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 15:06:40 <|amethyst> uberrath: it's next to one of the upstairs 15:07:39 |amethyst: got them both, woosh! 15:07:46 so glad to not have to go around picking up branded weps 15:07:48 <|amethyst> looks okay, and you're not in wizard mode :) 15:07:57 excellent 15:08:04 -!- moxian has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:23 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:09:48 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 15:10:06 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:56 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:17 -!- maadneet has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:15:53 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 15:16:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:16:28 -!- Mateji has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:17:21 -!- quazi has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:10 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:19:59 -!- inpho has quit [Quit: inpho] 15:23:12 -!- Roarke has quit [Client Quit] 15:23:20 there's a guaranteed distortion weapon (three of them, even) in pan_disco_hall 15:24:22 you'll eventually get every single pan vault; uniq_ignacio has special code to not place itself in some games 15:42:59 -!- keszocze_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:43:11 -!- b00lt has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:46:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:47:40 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:47:40 -!- inpho_ is now known as inpho 15:56:34 -!- Sargento has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:15 pubby (L21 FoWr) ERROR: range check error (-1 / 80) (Vaults:2) 16:00:03 -!- inpho has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:44 -!- Sargento has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:05:43 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:09:18 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 16:12:07 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:21 -!- inpho has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:19:30 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:34 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-851-gc24d831: Tweak Undeadhunter's description 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=c24d831ea14c 16:20:34 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.14-a0-852-g0ba292f: Remove Contam from the Hat of the High Council 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0ba292f8fe68 16:21:12 -!- Hal9k- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:21:29 -!- Hal9k has quit [Changing host] 16:21:50 -!- Valarioth has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:22:01 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:24:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:24:27 -!- Morg0th has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:25:07 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:40 -!- ophanim has quit [Quit: ophanim] 16:33:59 -!- Whales has quit [Quit: old friend time] 16:36:16 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:36:53 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:37:10 -!- reaver_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:17 -!- Aryth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38:48 -!- Sargento has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:46:12 -!- CampinSam has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8] 16:48:00 -!- maadneet has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0/20131025151332]] 16:51:27 <|amethyst> Grunt: uberrath didn't get an abyss or hell portal in his save (transferred from pre-split). Not sure why the fallback code for D:21 and D:25 didn't catch it (though I notice D:21 has a Pan portal, maybe that's related) 16:51:31 the same happened to me 16:51:39 if you recall my previous problem 16:51:50 got a bunch of pan portals though 16:53:21 -!- ldf has quit [Quit: ldf] 16:55:12 -!- scummos^ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 16:56:37 -!- Raycaster has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:58:09 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:00:27 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:02:13 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:06:14 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:48 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:11:46 -!- ark__ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:45 -!- ark_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:18:55 inspector072 (L27 GrMo) ASSERT(!invalid_monster_type(f.mons.type)) in 'tags.cc' at line 1608 failed. (Abyss:2) 17:18:59 -!- Snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:22:39 -!- Matejii has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:25:23 -!- Roarke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:25:29 -!- Wolfram has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:27:11 -!- Stelpa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 17:32:58 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:41:43 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:44:12 -!- Stelpa has quit [Changing host] 17:47:17 -!- G-Flex has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:48:22 -!- RZX has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0/20131025151332]] 17:49:24 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 17:49:38 -!- reaver_ has quit [] 17:50:55 -!- moxian has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:55:11 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:00:10 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Saindo] 18:03:16 -!- TheArcanist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:06:05 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:07:34 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:10:50 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:52 so, anyone know anything about that missing hell/abyss portal thing 18:13:14 -!- Crehl_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:15:49 is this similar to your missing vaults entrance 18:16:03 seems to be 18:16:08 Actually, it's a completely different cause, and something which I swear I had fixed before it landed. 18:16:08 I made a note on that bug entry but it's already marked as resolved 18:16:12 !abyss G-Flex 18:16:13 Zannick casts a spell. g-flex is devoured by a tear in reality! 18:16:18 hope that helps 18:16:21 The relevant vaults aren't tagged to appear in D at all. 18:16:23 abyss isn't as much of a problem as hell 18:16:29 Grunt: oh, so that explains why pan /is/ showing up 18:16:37 Well... 18:16:40 -!- inspector071 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:46 Oddly enough, Pan isn't tagged to appear in late D either!? 18:16:52 well it did 18:16:54 So I have no idea what's going on. 18:16:55 as late as d:27 18:16:55 who do i ask to have a password reset on cszo? 18:17:02 inspector071: |amethyst probably 18:17:25 -!- ark__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:17:50 has he been active tonight? 18:17:59 he was earlier 18:18:01 not sure about now 18:18:18 actually 18:18:19 showing as idle right now 18:18:21 i just figured it out 18:20:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:20:38 -!- Crehl has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:22:19 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:23:38 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:32:51 -!- caleba has quit [Quit: caleba] 18:39:49 -!- TwistedS1 has quit [Quit: TwistedS1] 18:43:27 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:46:39 -!- Nakalein has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:49:22 -!- Brokkr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:46 -!- scummos^ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:54:52 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:42 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:58:20 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Heading to bed.] 18:58:50 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:26 -!- Sargento has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:00:51 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:11 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:02:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:45 -!- ShadeTornado has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:04:38 -!- ketsa has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Pale Moon 24.1.1/20131105152611]] 19:05:09 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:05:26 -!- klang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:08:40 -!- inspector071 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:59 -!- inspector071 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:15:04 -!- Vherid has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:20:08 -!- ackack has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:20:45 -!- ackack has joined ##crawl-dev 19:27:54 -!- eith has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:33:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:35:09 is it unfair that online players can just look up the logs before facing a ghost? 19:35:45 offline players can do the same with their own logs 19:36:31 every game writes a morgue file, you can look for it and read what the ghost had 19:37:07 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 19:37:25 ok 19:37:36 is it unfair that all players can just look up the logs before facing a ghost? 19:38:10 if you answered yes: would it still be unfair if someone with eidetic memory remembered that ghost's equipment? 19:38:23 if its your own ghost who cares 19:38:41 -!- dondy has quit [Quit: ninja kapow] 19:39:14 i guess the problem is that players whoa re willing to do some out-of-game busywork get an ingame advantage 19:40:27 enh. I can make the same claim about being able to read crawl's source (which I have done sometimes...) 19:41:35 -!- alefury has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:41:59 -!- Bloaxzorro has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:44:54 -!- magicpoints has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:45:10 -!- pelotr0n has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:50:21 -!- ZebTM has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:52:23 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:17 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:56:20 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:06:14 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 20:08:12 -!- rast has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 18.0.2/20130201065344]] 20:12:40 -!- darktwinge has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:34 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:15:50 A problem with Depths is that the Depths monster set is harder than Vaults, and the player has to go through Depths to reach Vaults 20:16:51 Moving the Vaults entrance up was good but the problem remains 20:17:06 <|amethyst> kilobyte suggested turning them inside-out 20:17:22 swap vaults and depths? 20:17:25 |amethyst: did you see what I mentioned earlier 20:18:28 maybe make depths 11 floors instead of 6, and keep V in the first half :) 20:18:43 <|amethyst> G-Flex: just saw it, yes. I also have no idea why pan is placing but not the other two 20:18:52 heh 20:19:01 abyss is still technically reachable 20:19:04 but no hells and that makes me sad 20:19:15 <|amethyst> inspector071: still need that reset? 20:19:36 [15 00:18] i just figured it out 20:19:37 <|amethyst> Wahaha: yes, D:$ to vaults then vaults to Depths 20:19:51 that could work 20:19:52 <|amethyst> ah, good, thanks 20:22:51 -!- Zermako has quit [Quit: Good night and good luck to all! :D] 20:24:20 Wahaha: note that Lair is also easier than D, at least towards the end of the range of possible entrance levels 20:24:21 this would make vaults part of dungeon rather than a branch 20:24:27 elliptic: but depths is rather ridiculous 20:24:29 <|amethyst> Grunt: oddly, Pan (the one that placed) is the only of those three that has a depth_chance only on one level 20:24:52 simmarine: right, but more tweaking can be done (either to make V harder or depths easier) 20:24:55 elliptic: i was just looking for vaults on a weak character. on depths:1 i was finding yaktaur captain bands, very ugly thing bands, multiple fire giants, a titan... which means im sure (a)liches can and will show up 20:25:16 all of those things show up in V too 20:25:26 okay but not on vaults:1 20:25:29 not around every corner 20:27:07 |amethyst: any chance at getting some portals on my save at any point? 20:30:00 <|amethyst> G-Flex: swinepaste? 20:30:07 yeah, same game as last time 20:30:21 winning is no fun, I want to go die in abyss like a real idiot 20:30:58 bonus points if you put a hell portal in a beehive vault or something 20:30:59 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:35:21 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:36:25 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:39:59 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:40:45 -!- bitsailor has quit [Quit: bitsailor] 20:41:02 <|amethyst> G-Flex: okay 20:41:23 <|amethyst> G-Flex: you have a hell portal on D:21 and an abyss portal on D:25 20:41:29 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:45 -!- ZebTM has quit [] 20:41:57 thank you sir 20:44:14 huh, was that runed door there before 20:45:12 <|amethyst> G-Flex: no :) 20:45:15 heh 20:45:16 <|amethyst> G-Flex: nor was that bee 20:45:20 hahaha 20:45:24 it is a zombie now 20:46:04 BEES 20:47:38 BEEEEES 20:47:44 not the bees 20:48:37 -!- bitsailor has joined ##crawl-dev 20:49:21 -!- UseBees has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:51:15 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:51:31 -!- bh has quit [Changing host] 20:51:31 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:29 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:02:45 -!- ophanim has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:35 -!- dagonfive has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:05:26 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: gammafunk] 21:09:31 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:33 is the spawn table for vestibule broken? I'm getting a bunch of goldfish and rats 21:13:05 Murray (04z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 180 | AC/EV: 30/10 | Dam: 20, 20 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2596 | Sp: summon undead, torment symbol | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 21:13:05 %??murray 21:14:32 !lg * killer=murray 21:14:33 No games for * (killer=murray). 21:14:41 you could be the first 21:15:05 ??murrayrobin 21:15:05 murrayrobin[1/1]: No games for * (ckiller=murray). 21:15:46 ophanim: I was surprised to see that he was !sil 21:15:55 inspecting him didn't give any indication that he would be 21:17:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:20:12 well curse toes are 21:20:51 -!- N78291 has quit [Quit: null] 21:22:37 curse skull (11z) | Spd: 15 (act: 150%) | HD: 13 | HP: 55 | AC/EV: 25/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, lev, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold++, 10elec++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1631 | Sp: summon undead, torment symbol | Sz: tiny | Int: high. 21:22:37 %??curse skull 21:22:41 ah 21:23:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 21:23:48 thorn lotus (06P) | Spd: 8 (move: 160%) | HD: 12 | HP: 46-75 | AC/EV: 4/9 | 03plant, !sil | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 287 | Sp: thorns volley (3d18); thorns volley (3d18) | Sz: small | Int: plant. 21:23:48 %??thorn lotus 21:24:05 forest monsters seem to do a horrendous amount of damage 21:25:22 yes 21:26:11 I feel like Forest 1-4 is harder than vaults, crypt, elf, and other late game branches. 21:26:12 ophanim: You have 80 messages. Use !messages to read them. 21:26:29 I agree 21:26:34 It also seems tactically optimal to burn down the entire branch 21:26:38 I've gotten blindsided by the plant monsters before 21:27:02 bh: forest fires probably should be a good tactic in the forest, to be fair 21:27:09 ??forest[3 21:27:10 forest[3/5]: Set the trees on fire to win. 21:27:27 but you can also trivialize some of the worse danger by like 21:27:31 liberal, tedious use of conjure flame 21:27:56 G-Flex: the problem with that is it's grindy 21:28:07 yeah, it encourages you to do a tedious thing 21:28:14 it's not hard to conjure flame forests to death 21:28:22 but it takes a long time 21:28:45 imo dryads are kind of a pain in the ass 21:28:48 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:54 interestingly, I find forest 5 to be slightly easier? probably because I just reap map and go kill enchantress and avoid the rest of the map 21:29:25 The last time I did Forest I was a Fedhas follower. I trapped the nasty guys with rain and murdered them with oklobs 21:30:19 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:24 the first time I went into forest it didn't seem hard at all 21:30:27 but that's because I was a DjFE 21:30:49 fireball is a very good spell in forest!!! 21:30:51 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:01 I think I'm 50/50 in forest, I die about as many times as I kill enchantress and leave 21:31:11 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:32:35 It's not just that everything hits hard (it does) or is hard to hit (it is), but also the lay out seems to encourage you to fight swarms at once, "hallways" aren't safe, and you have lots of status effects to deal with (roots, being pulled by trees, sleep, paralysis, confusion, englulf, slow, etc) 21:33:13 it's probably best to skip it or dive it and just go get the treasure 21:35:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:37:22 -!- quazi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:44:32 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:45:21 -!- debo has quit [Quit: debo] 21:49:25 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:49:43 -!- Wensley_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:51:24 -!- kilobyte_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:38 -!- shock_ has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- ChaseSP has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- G-Flex has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- Raycaster has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- Stelpa has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- tholmes has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- buppy has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- Wensley has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- kilobyte has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- Goncyn has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- RiotInferno has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- squimmy has quit [*.net *.split] 21:52:38 -!- tw_ has quit [*.net *.split] 21:55:03 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:46 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 22:03:53 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:30 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:18:43 Ai the Exhumer (L1 FoDK) (D:1) 22:19:02 !lm ai crash -log 22:19:02 1. Ai, XL1 FoDK, T:0 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Ai/crash-Ai-20131115-041841.txt 22:23:39 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:25:17 -!- buppy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:26:44 ??depths 22:26:45 depths[1/1]: D:17-27 has been replaced by a new branch called the Depths - six levels long, containing the Vaults entrance and the gate to the Realm of Zot. At time of writing a rune is needed to enter. 22:29:36 Keskitalo: hi! 22:29:56 Hi Grunt! I'm adjusting ice cave appearances for the Depths addition. 22:30:02 Keskitalo: :) 22:30:15 I think I'll have easy ice cave maps spawn in D, Lair & Orc, and hard ice cave maps spawn in Depths, Elf and Vaults. (Was: easy ice cave maps up to D:14, hard ice cave maps starting from D:14) 22:30:23 (as far as D went) 22:30:29 I feel as though we have a lot of adjustment in general to do on account of Depths. 22:30:48 so you get easy ice caves for longer in D than you did 22:31:34 -!- Crehl has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:31:35 Yeah, it is a big balance change but to me it feels a good direction. 22:34:53 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:37:26 -!- pelotron_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:37:30 -!- uberrath has left ##crawl-dev 22:38:02 Keskitalo: ice caves should not generate in Depths/Vaults at all I think, unless we want to make the maps significantly harder 22:39:03 Keskitalo: maybe could make the "hard" maps spawn in Elf and in Lair subbranches? I'm not sure if there's a reason why Swamp etc don't get ice caves 22:40:16 (Swamp might benefit from some adjustment to the ice cave entrances if they're going to place there?) 22:40:26 I like the idea of having them place in the Lair branches, in any case. 22:40:37 * Grunt goes to look at the current ice cave entries. 22:41:23 ...ick, who designed this map with permarock. 22:41:34 (or is it permarock) 22:41:42 elliptic: Sounds fine to me. 22:41:46 (it's not; just uses the X glyph) 22:43:26 I haven't played after lock/Depths change, but I was already concerned that the entries might not be challenging after delvign deeper. 22:46:40 -!- uberrath has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:49:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 22:57:36 -!- Venter has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:58:00 -!- MP2E has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:59:40 -!- poopfist42 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:04:27 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:44 -!- bmfx has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:05:05 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:33 -!- Basil has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:06:52 -!- Oregano has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:09 -!- paulsomebody has quit [Quit: paulsomebody] 23:10:07 -!- Kintak has joined ##crawl-dev 23:10:56 Yezarul the Ticktocktomancer (L18 DDFi) (D) 23:12:15 -!- NotKintak has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:13:26 -!- MaxFrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:19:20 -!- Somefellow has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 23:19:51 -!- Somefellow has joined ##crawl-dev 23:20:40 elliptic: i made the changes you requested to automagic (https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7488) do you think it is ready to be included? 23:24:31 Naruni: hey, thanks for making the changes... I'll hopefully have time to look at it (and put it in trunk) in the next couple of days 23:24:33 -!- ophanim has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:24:55 I guess there is still the thing that ideally the spell slot choice should persist through saves 23:25:18 I looked into that a bit and couldn't make it work though 23:25:20 elliptic: great, thank you. I'll be out of IRC for about a week so I hope to see it in trunk when I get back :) 23:25:50 i'll try to find out what gearset.lua is doing to save info like that while in out 23:26:00 s/in/im 23:26:00 Naruni: gearset.lua actually doesn't currently work 23:26:12 is what I discovered 23:26:34 elliptic: ah, well then we probably just need a l_you.cc function to save string into the savegame file? 23:26:41 so at some point that lua functionality broke, but I have no idea when and I don't really understand the code 23:26:58 ive written some lua interface things ill take a poke around 23:27:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:28:06 the chk_lua_save thing in dat/dlua/userbase.lua is the thing that isn't working 23:28:19 -!- kait has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:28:46 anyway, that's certainly not a blocker for putting automagic in trunk 23:29:18 -!- kait_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:32:55 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: CKyle] 23:36:25 -!- conted has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:36:25 -!- TacoSundae_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:37:32 -!- DrinkMachine has joined ##crawl-dev 23:37:32 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:38:04 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 23:38:56 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:52 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 23:41:25 -!- chukamok has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0/20131025151332]] 23:46:07 <|amethyst> elliptic: very strange... when clua/gearset.lua runs, the function is getting added to chk_lua_save 23:46:35 <|amethyst> elliptic: but then if I try looking it up in &^T, chk_lua_save exists but is empty 23:46:47 |amethyst: if I'm going to splat in Zot, it's not OK for me to restart cszo, right? 23:47:31 <|amethyst> It's in general not OK to restart cszo :P 23:47:49 <3 23:47:59 has it gotten stuck recently? 23:48:31 <|amethyst> no, but CAO keeps getting stuck 23:48:48 <|amethyst> but sending a sighup to your process won't do you much good :) 23:51:02 <|amethyst> elliptic: oh, it has a completely different address 23:51:23 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: yes] 23:54:42 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:54:43 -!- Oregano is now known as Basil 23:57:31 <|amethyst> elliptic: read_init_file is running before CLua::init_lua